The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Saquon For MVP? 49ers Need A Reboot, Lions Offense Is Dominant, Bo Nix Surpasses Jayden Daniels, Vikings QB Controversy?

Episode Date: November 25, 2024

  Colin Cowherd Podcast - Saquon For MVP? 49ers Need A Reboot, Lions Offense Is Dominant, Bo Nix Surpasses Jayden Daniels, Vikings QB Controversy? Colin reacts to Sunday Night Football and Saquon Barkley scorching the Rams for 302 all-purpose yards and 2 touchdowns! He explains why Barkley should be front-runner for league MVP, how he has completely transformed the Eagles, and why he has separated from the rest of the running backs in the league (3:00).  Then he’s joined by John Middlekauff, host of “3 and Out” to break down the full slate of NFL games. They start with a sinking 49ers team, why it needs a rebuild (18:00) and debate how they should handle a potential contract extension for quarterback Brock Purdy (21:15). They pivot to the Vikings and discuss whether Minnesota should risk moving on from Sam Darnold, or keep him and trade rookie quarterback J.J. McCarthy (25:15). Despite losing in overtime, Colin sees reasons for optimism for Bears fans (30:45) They break down a crazy ending to Commanders/Cowboys (44:15), why Jayden Daniels has been surpassed by Bo Nix for Offensive Rookie of the Year (46:15) and why Sean Payton deserves a mountain of credit for building the Broncos into a really good football team (48:45). They weigh in on the Chiefs “experimenting” to try and find what works while still managing to win close games (01:01:00), and whether the Panthers will give Bryce Young another year under center (01:05:30). They also explain why the Titans can feel comfortable running it back at quarterback with Will Levis next season (01:07:15). They react to a lifeless performance from the Giants against the Bucs, declare the Giants and Jets the two most dysfunctional teams in the league (01:14:45), and debate whether Brian Daboll will lose his job. Colin calls the Detroit Lions offense the most dominant he’s seen in years and they explain why the Lions would WANT to face the Chiefs in the Super Bowl (01:22:15). They pivot to college football and recap Ohio State’s dominant win over Indiana (01:30:00) and Oklahoma shutting down Alabama (01:35:00), and debate who’s in and who’s out after some big upsets on Saturday (01:40:00). Colin preaches patience for USC and why with some smart allocation of NIL money the Trojans could be competitive next year (01:41:00). Finally, they examine the weak incoming crop of college quarterbacks and wonder whether the Jets will be looking to draft a quarterback and move on from a “poorly” aged Aaron Rodgers (01:48:00). Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates!  #Volume #Herd #3andOut    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And it was completely worked tonight. Almost 500 yards for the Eagles, 255 yards for Sequin Bark. the Eagles offensive line and the Lions offensive line are so much better than the rest of the NFL. Four of the five Eagle O. Lineman, I think, could get honors, just dominating performance. And again, the Rams have some talented young guys up front. And a lot of this, Howie Roseman, the GM, this league is, front offices are so important. Teams like Cincinnati just don't make deals. And so it's Joe Burrow, a couple of your receivers, and they're just a limited roster.

Philadelphia is constantly trade deadline usually, not necessarily this year, but big players at the trade deadline, offseason, free agency, draft day deals. And you see the value of it. I mean, even without Devante Smith at wide receiver because he's banged up, they lost Slay the corner during the game. In every unit, the Eagles have a great, great player. And, you know, I talked about this before the season. I said, the idea of letting your best player go, the New York Giants, to go to the Eagles, is insane. I mean, can you imagine, you know, I know it's not perfectly analogous,

but the Chiefs, you know, letting the Chargers have Mahomes in his prime. Now, the Chargers have their own quarterback. but the best player on the New York Giants was allowed to go to their primary rival. Sequin Barclay, think about this, has 12 touchdowns this year. The Giants have 16 last in the NFL. Sequin has 10 plays this year of 30 plus yards. That's the same as the entire New York Giants offense. Giants let them walk.

I think there's an argument. MVP this year. Boy, after tonight, I mean, rookie of the year has got to be bow necks, at least offensive rookie of the year. I would not have a problem with Saquan Berkeley being MVP. I would have no problem. I mean, the guy is, he is separated from the league at running back. Again, McCaffrey last year, fully healthy, but McCaffrey this year is not the same. Yeah, Saquan Barclay is, there's just nothing like him. I mean, he, Every single carry looks like he's one broken tackle from going the distance. And he did it, you know, twice the night. Saquan Barkley is on pace to set the NFL rushing record and scrimmage yards record. So if you're thinking to yourself, man, he's having like a credible year. Yeah.

The most incredible year ever potentially for Saquan Barclay. It has like a KD to the Warriors feel. where you're looking at a team that's good enough to win the title and he's just like, you know, we're just going to throw in this guy that is, you know,

the best at his position. And he'll finally actually have teammates that can help him and, you know, a staff that can help him and a quarterback who's a threat to run as well so you can't just hone in on him. It's just insane. And by the way,

the other player, the Giants let go was a safety who now leads the NFL on interceptions. God, the Giants are so poorly run. But, you know, Barclay, I've said before, I think the best running back I ever saw was Walter Payton, Barry Sanders probably too, Christian McCaffrey's dexterity and his ability to do so many things, probably puts him third. But McCaffrey does not look the same this year. and instead, Sequin Barclay was always an excellent player, but he is,

and there's no other way to say this, his ability to start and stop has improved. He's just faster and quicker this year. And, you know, there are just certain things. Remember a couple years ago when the Lions drafted Jamir Gibbs the running back and people crushed them for it, but their offensive line was so good,

it was guaranteed to be productive. And as you've seen, the Lions just run over people. That's the thing. about Sequin Barclay. I mean, look how productive he was with the Giants offensive line. And the other thing the Eagles have that the Giants didn't, the Eagles have star receivers on the outside. A.J. Brown's remarkable. So it forces safeties not to cheat, and they can't cheat inside the box. So you just do it was going to be incredibly, remarkably productive for the Philadelphia

Eagles. And I don't know what the New York Giants do with their football operation, but their front office just doesn't know what the hell they're doing. And the Eagles is, arguably the best. And Detroit's is excellent. And Kansas City's excellent. And that's why those teams were at the top of the league. It's not just the coach of the quarterback. The Lions right now, the Eagles with Howie Roseman, Kansas City. Buffalo's got a very, very good front office. And they just take advantage of the weaker teams and the less capable front offices. So I love watching Philadelphia play. You know, I've got my questions regarding Nick Seriani. But as I've said, people do learn on the job. And that's okay, too. Not everybody's Andy Reed or Sean Payton.

Some guys are learning on the job. McDonald, the coach for the Seahawks or Mike McDaniel, the coach for the Dolphins, you know, everybody, Mike McDaniel was a really smart guy. He'd never been a head coach. There's some things you don't know how to do until you do them. And so I think Mike McDaniel with Miami, dolphins are a fascinating team right now. They, I mean, that game in New England was weird. New England had played well. That wasn't even competitive. Three drives in. So I just, I think Philadelphia and Detroit, it feels inevitable. I mean, San Francisco's not the same team. Washington's cooled off. Rams, you know, again, Rams have some good players. The Rams needed a left tackle, a boundary receiver, and a corner. And the quarterback for the future, they probably have two more years of Stafford, but they couldn't compete tonight. You know, and what's interesting is the Eagles are last in the NFL in first quarter scoring and first in second half scoring. Well, what does that tell you? The first quarter, the Rams were good. Why? Schemeing. McVeigh, Stafford. But the Rams in the second half, they just get worn down. They don't have the personnel. So the Eagles are a great second half

team because they just wear you down. Their offensive line wears you down. And you saw in the first half. The Rams were very competitive, but they just don't have the personnel over the course of four hours to compete with Philadelphia. So, you know, that's my problem with Philadelphia. I just think they're talents remarkable, and I think sometimes they're undercoached. It's very, very weird that you just don't score in the first quarter when you have the best offensive line or second best offensive line and football, two-star receivers, the best current running back, a more than capable quarterback. You average seven and a half yards per play tonight, and you can't be dynamic in the first quarter.

That's a scheming issue. But, boy, Philadelphia has something else to watch. They are fun to watch. because even though Detroit's a powerhouse offensively, there's just something about Sequin Barclay and A.J. Brown. And Jalen Hertz, there's just a lot. You get the steak and you get the sizzle with the Philadelphia Eagles. And I've been saying this for the last couple of weeks.

I felt like Buffalo, Kansas City, and the Lions were the Super Bowl teams. Put Philadelphia in that group. There are four teams now that feel like they have separated from the pack. I thought tonight's Eagle performance was really impressive. Fly cross-country, gets a great quarterback, and a great coach, and a really good young defensive line for the Rams. And they were manhandled, literally manhandled. Fly Eagles fly. The NFL season's rolling along.

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Time for another Sunday hour and a half pod with John Middlakov, former NFL scout. I don't remember having a Sunday where I was on the wrong side of virtually everything except the Broncos game. What a crazy. Every favorite I like. Every dog I like, failed to cover. Every favorite I was gun-shy-on covered.

Let's start with Green Bay 38, San Francisco 10. So, I mean, you knew it was trouble. Bosa out. Brock Purdy out, Trent out. But as I was watching this, it was more than that. Because, I mean, Green Bay gave them opportunities. I think you have to have a hard look in the mirror. And it's hard in the NFL when you still have really good people in the locker room.

I think this franchise needs a complete reboot. If you look at the Detroit's, the Green Bay's, Buffalo, Kansas City, the Chargers are up and coming. San Francisco is like an old fighter, John. They're like an old boxer last year. You know, they were hanging on, had one last good fight. Stop drafting receivers. Rebuild the O lines and D lines. Bosa's hurt.

Kittles hurt. McCaffrey's hurt. You know this organization well, but listen, Green Bay was going to win this game. You could tell two series in. I think San Francisco has to hyper-aggressively reboot the franchise. Well, it's tough when you're paying all these guys all this money. They've recently best, I think the best thing that could happen to them, because they're not making the playoffs. Keep losing these games.

I said, you know, today was not a great day for Dallas. Like they're not going to the playoffs. You win and ruin your draft position. If you're the 49ers, you want to be drafting 7th, not 15th, right? Because we know quarterbacks usually go, and that gives you an opportunity to get one of the best players on the board. They play Buffalo next week, that's a loss. You know, the Rams, they still play the Cardinals. Like, they could lose these games.

And I would imagine they do. So, I mean, I think you're looking at at best a seven-win team. And I think right now, you know, not winning maybe one more game the rest of the season. This pretty thing, it was well reported today. Like, they're not even sure what's going on. Bosa hurt one hip, then he heard another. Trent's just a weathered, you know, older player. This team, you know what they need?

They kind of need to get bounced in the first round. Or, I mean, you know, not even make it to the first round of the playoffs and get extra time off and get to reset. It happened to the Warriors. Remember, they had 2020, 2020 was really rough couple years. Then they were fresh and they won a championship. Well, remember, the Niners last Super Bowl loss went six and ten were injury ravaged. Yeah. So to me, the best, easiest way for them to get players, they're not going to have a lot of cap space because of all the big cap, you know, hits they have with players, is to have like the eighth pick in the draft.

because it's not just the first round, it's every round. And they've proven to be able to draft really well in the fourth, fifth, sixth round. When you're drafting in the top ten, you know, there aren't really many excuses to miss, like when they're drafting in the late 20s. So I think the best case scenario, roll out the team they're rolling out, and their schedule's hard. I mean, they still play the dolphins who look good right now. Obviously, they've got the bills next week.

They're just going to naturally lose a lot of games, which I think is really going to benefit them long term. Well, you know, it's interesting. I was watching Caleb Williams today, who was just, he's such a talented guy. Bow Nix looks fantastic. Jaden Daniels has hit the cliff Kingsbury Wall around Thanksgiving. Even in college, his teams tended to swoon late. And I look at Brock Purdy. They're going to keep him, right? I mean, you can't pay him 50 million, but they're going to broker a deal here probably in the 40s. Is that what you think? Do they have to, though, Colin? Why? Why are we always in such a rush? Like, he's not struggling to put food on the table. He's making millions of dollars off the field. It's an incredible spot for him with Kyle. If you win six or seven games, and listen, this hasn't been his fault necessarily. But why are we in a rush to spend 50 million when clearly what? There are four or five guys in the league that you feel really good about it. And then the next five guys making that much money are somewhat of a roller coaster. Yeah, I would have no problem given him that. I don't know, Kirk Cousins, Daniel Jones, 80, 90, and everyone's like, well, he'll never take that. Well, then we won't do a deal.

You know, if he would have got me back to the NFC championship game this year, you wouldn't have a choice. But they're not sniffing the playoffs. He's injured now. We're playing it out. Like, the problem with Dallas playing it out is you knew how it was going to play out. Why can't we just take a deep breath and see what happens? Where is he going? What's the better situation?

Who's lining up, one, he's not a free agent, but who's lining up on the open market to give him, let's just say, $150 million in here? Who are you bidding against? Yeah. So they regret the IU contract. They have to. If they could do that over again, they would have traded them before the draft. I mean, 100%.

There's not even, so let's take a deep breath. Let's just play it out. And that's what I, it, I would say most of my life, what, until the last four or five years?

That's usually how business used to happen, unless your name was like Peyton Manning or Ladani and Tomlinson or some like all-time great player. Most players usually had to fight for their cash. And now just because the league's flush with it, we just give it away. And again, I have no problem giving it to the elite guys. Trent Williams, you need a boost. I'll give you a boost.

Brock Purdy, like, let's just take a deep breath, everybody. That's been my stance all along is why can't, what was the rush to pay Trevor Lawrence? Does any team regret a contract more than the Jags like five weeks into the contract? At least Tua as proven. But again, Tua's not making 200 plus. That's right. That's right. So and the Purdy thing was being talked about, well, it's the Trevor Lawrence. And it's like, well, I'd give him $140 million right now, but that's not the ballpark that has been discussed. Yeah, I mean, it's such a big decision. I'd peel off some of the players. I would have moved off Debo last year. I wouldn't have paid Iyuk. I think they've been a little negligent on the offensive line. They've attacked the defensive line. I think they've been a bit next. negligent on the offensive line. I just don't. Colin, they're not negligent.

They've been Kyle and the offensive line coach have been open about their philosophical belief of skill players are more important than offensive linemen. Oh, you can tell. They believe in that zone scheme that I can take mainly average guys. Obviously, Trent is their outlier. But how did they get Trent? They got him for a third round pick, right? And the only reason he didn't go to Minnesota who was offering way more is he refused to go there because he wanted to play for his guy Kyle. So they've openly said, yeah, we don't take offensive linemen if we believe a skill guy's on the board higher.

The football I was around growing up, you know, with Coach Hill, who came from Belichick and then Andy Reed and Howie Roseman, they would laugh at that. They would take offensive linemen in the first round and then they'd take them again in the second round. Well, the Texan should have attacked the offensive line, not Stefan Diggs. And by the way, Jim Harbaugh had a choice. He took Joel Alt over. I was told he wanted Brian Thomas, the kid from LSU. So, I mean, I think you can find receivers anywhere. I think it's very hard to find elite tackles out of the first round.

Okay. Over time. Minnesota 30, Bears 27. Both quarterbacks played well. We'll get to Caleb in a second. I thought Sam Darnold got hurt, came back overtime. Some big time throws. Sam, 22 or 34, 300 plus yards, a couple of touchdowns.

Vikings had it won multiple times in the fourth quarter. or let it slip away. But my takeaway on this is it's not just that Sam is going to win like comeback player of the year. Right now, I think you have to take Minnesota. I mean, they're not as good as Detroit. I think they can play with anybody, including Philadelphia and the NFC. Like I just think the Vikings are a real team. Well, their offense is so potent.

I mean, at any moment, I mean, Jefferson is one of the best players in the league any position. And how good is Jordan Addison if he's going to be your number two? And that Naler guy, I don't even know much about him. He makes plays every time I watch them play. Their running game, their offensive coaching, you know, Sam's arm is just big. So, you know, in terms of explosive plays. And defensively, they don't have, like, I would say, excellent players like they did in the peak of the Zimmer days when Kendricks and Harrison Smith and some of their pass rushers were in the prime of their career. But we all agree that he's one of the better defensive schemers in the league.

So from a coaching standpoint, high end, are they the sneakiest nine and two team in the history of the league? Well, yeah, because they're not going to win the division. Right. More than likely, I guess they're only one game behind, but they'll be the fifth seed, but they will have consistently played pretty well. I mean, today, let's face, I mean, took an onside kick with 20 seconds left for them to get in position to right kick a field goal. Like, they should have won that game in regulation. What percentage time does an onside kick hit like 2%, not even?

Yeah, and I think, you know, one of the things with Minnesota is like, you know, they were 0 for 5 in the red zone against Jacksonville. They had today's game wrapped up. They're just not talented enough to make mistakes. Like Detroit didn't play brilliant football today. Went on the road and beat a pretty decent Colts team in front of a tough environment. And it's like, that's a great team. I mean, I think Detroit, if you look at, they look like the Moss Brady Patriots.

Like Minnesota's a good team. The margins are tighter. And again, but I think you have to, we have to be. honest about this whole Sam Darnold thing. J.J. McCarthy's team next year, Sam is going to have an absolute market. I don't think there's any question. Are we sure, though? Because what do you do if, let's say, all of a sudden, you're in the NFC championship

game against the Detroit Lions and you've beaten, let's say, you know, the Falcons in the first round, and then you take out the whoever, maybe the Eagles in the second round. I don't know exactly how the seating would play out. And then you lose a tight game to Detroit. Maybe you lose by a couple touchdowns, but Sam has multiple playoff victories and just watch him. And you think like you do when you watch Jared Gough. Like he's solid.

He's a winning player. He's not obviously he's going to make some mistakes. He's different than Jared, but you know what I mean. A couple years ago, it was pretty clear. Like, you can win with this guy if you build a good team. They build a good team. And especially what if he wins a playoff game. Starting left tackle, who's like the young Trent Williams of the league is gone.

And today, the guy they trade for gets hurt. Quisbury comes in. I mean, that's just a lot of moving parts. Well, what does he bring to the table? He can move around. So I, the Vikings would like pay millions of dollars to know that J.J. McCarthy is going to look like Sam Darnold in two years, let alone next year. Right. There's no guarantee.

How often do we see these young players never materialize in anything? But you'd have to pay Sam and you get. I understand that. But I'm just saying it's, you just let him go when you've proven that you can win with him. And it's not like he's a 36 year old or 38 year old Joe Lacko. Seven or 28, isn't he? I think it puts you in a precarious spot if you have playoffs. I think it's easy.

If you're one and done, it's an easy transition. You win a playoff game or two. I think the conversations just get a little more serious, which I'm sure they've been having throughout the year. Because the NFL's, you kind of live in the moment. You know, I mean, if you're like, well, why, if our team's going to be good, we can win again this year. That's really all you're focused on.

It's easy to say the next five years, you're really focused on 2020. I think if you could get a second round. He's a free agent, so you get no picks. Could you franchise him and trade him? Yeah. I mean, I think it's... Quarterback class sucks in college. No. I mean, even Shadour's more of a B-plus, A-minus prospect than an A-plus. Jalen Milro, people like, but he's not fluid. He's going to take... He's better than Anthony Richardson out of college, but he's going to take a lot of work and a lot of patience. It's really interesting. I mean, let's let's just... go to Chicago. Could you give him like a cousin's type deal? Like a couple years,

$100 million, three years, $100 million, and then just figure it out as you go. And if he keeps playing well, you could always trade him if you like JJ. I think, I just think the risk with with, with J.J. McCarthy injured was a project to begin with. I think there was a story within the last couple weeks. He needed another surgery because of the swelling. I mean, not that that's the end. I mean, we still got a long time until 2025 season. But I just, like, this would be serious conversations, which they're one. 100% having. Doesn't mean they're going to do it, but it's a fluid situation. So in a losing effort today, I think Chicago is the most fascinating four and seven team in the league.

Caleb Williams made a throw right before the field goal to send it to overtime. I thought it was the best throw I saw today. I mean, it was 28 yards in the air. I mean, four Vikings right over. And they should. showed the video from behind Caleb. They had 400 yards offense. He had 32 completions. The box score was even. They were down big in the fourth quarter. So Caleb is a pretty fearless kid. They were down to a good team, 24 to 10. They came roaring back. He had a really bad sack in overtime that killed their field position. Vikings get the ball. Sam Donald outplays him in overtime. But I said before the season, I said the Bears are going to win seventh, they're going to finish in fourth place. But you're going to feel good about it.

You're going to be like, yeah, we got the guy. Watching that game today and that fourth quarter, I mean, Greg Kosell told me this week, he's like, that kid, that kid is unbelievable. Like, nothing against Jaden Daniels, but he's stronger than Jaden Daniels. Nothing against Bo Nix, but he's got a bigger arm than Bo Nicks. I thought Caleb today had some moments that were just, wow, that's my take when I watched him. Yeah, he made a couple throws over the play you're the past you're throwing is the live version didn't do it justice when they showed the replay and he layered that thing but it was a Brett far of strike. How about the two point conversion when he hit DJ Moore in the back of the end zone? And there were a couple other over the middle of the field strikes to like Keenan Allen where you're like he was just letting this thing rip.

And then the USC, the reason that everyone was so high on him, the scramble threw it down the sideline to DJ Moore. Oh, yeah. might be the best play he's ever made of his career. Yeah, he, the one thing that jumps out these last two weeks is there's more of a looseness that feels more collegiate to him again. Yes. That he was really tight toward the end of the Waldron thing. They fire him and you just see a much looser player.

And I, you know, you're scrolling around the four boxes, listen to different audio. And when I clicked over at one point in time during the game, they said he had mentioned, like I just feel like I got my confidence back a little bit. And he's playing that way. I think the hard part if you're a pairs fan is like, our team actually probably wasn't that far away this year. What led us down? It was coaching.

They must have a punt today and they had a field goal blocked again. They had back-to-back field goal blocks if you count last week. They led to two Viking scores. So they're five and 18 in one possession games under Iber Fluse, and they're a terrible road team, meaning close games. He's never, he, Uber Flues has never won a road game on a Sunday, Colin. The NFL plays on Sundays. Well, look at, look how much better.

the offense got when Waldron left. Okay, so we saw a leap. Can you imagine, I mean, look at Bownecks with Sean Payton. Can you imagine if they get this guy a sharp offensive coach? But you know the hard part, though, is Colin. And I don't know if you know this guy. I just know him from the outside. And I don't think that highly of them is partly because you have a business guy in Kevin

Warren. There was a segment of Hard Knocks where Ryan Poles was extending DJ Moore to one of the biggest contracts in the history of the Bears. And in Hard Knocks, he's reading out some of the details of the contract, not to the owners, but to Kevin Warren. And I went, ooh, that's a problem. And listen to everyone around Chicago knows Kevin Warren, and it's been well reported, polls and Iber Fluse answer to him, not the owner. So you have like this intermediary middle management who's really powerful. In the NFL, that doesn't work.

Can you imagine, listen, when I was with the Eagles, Don Smolenski, like, there are a lot of really good presidents that Dom. dominate the business side. And they're tight with their GM and their coach. They don't dictate the terms of that stuff. You go to the owner. And even some of the owners, once they get comfortable with you, like, unless it's a crazy, just you do it. Like, I'm good with it. Right. I trust you. So you have this president who is going to be in charge of the hiring of the coach with polls. That's where it gets weird, Colin. And I think a lot of people in Chicago, because there's no disputing. You watch the team. If Caleb's going to play the last couple weeks. They're going to be a talented football team. Keenan Allen today was great.

Yeah. So I just wonder from a coaching standpoint, guys with options, like clearly like Woody Johnson, no thanks. Wait, I got, I have to deal not with the owner and not with my GM, but the president of the team? Well, that's a turnoff, Colin, in the business. Yeah. And that man you're speaking of was known. I know somebody, I know two people that have dealt with him before, kind of a ladder. He's a business guy. Yeah. I mean, a little bit of a ladder climber. Light on the details sometimes.

Nice enough man. I, my take is, and I feel bad for Caleb Williams. It's like I would feel bad for Aaron Rogers if he wasn't Aaron Rogers. But some of these organizations are just a circus. I mean, the Jets are poorly run franchise. The Bears are a poorly run. franchise. And I just, I mean, Bill Pollyan ran their last coaching search. That's why they ended up with Matt Eberfluse. The owner's called Bill Pollyne and said, find us a coach. So, you know,

and he's going to go, you know, to his allies. And I, I mean, just watch Bow Nicks play and tell me you don't think Sean Payton and coaching matters. It's, I mean. But that's a good, that's a good example of there was a guy making 18, million dollars. He's the boss. Now, it's not his money. If he has a question, he goes to the Walton family or the penners or whoever is a charge of the money. Right. It's really run a lot like a college team would be run. Like Kirby Smart, Nick State, they're the boss of the operation. It can get weird in the NFL because it becomes so corporate, these billion dollar operations, a lot of people like their hand in the cookie jar. You see these names that are at these meetings with Woody Johnson. You're

like, who are these other three guys? Well, they're like his confidants. Right. That you have to deal with when you want things done. You know, forever, Belichick wanted something done. He went right to Robert, right? This is what we're doing. It's me and you and Robert.

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All right, Cowboys beat Washington 3426. complete bat shit crazy in the fourth quarter. Just a wild game. And I'm sure you either watched it folks or not. I think 40 points scored in the fourth quarter. It was insane. So Cliff Kingsbury always had a reputation. Jaden Daniels, you know, I was looking at this. With five minutes left, Jaden Daniels had less than 100 yards passing. And Washington had nine points against the 31st scoring defense. So it was a lot of points late. But J. Daniels, Bo Nix has completely surpassed Jaden Daniels for offensive rookie of the year. Like, it's not club. I mean, he's to the last six games. It's not close. Bo Nix looks confident, accurate, poised, athletic. Jaden's loss is fastball. And so, you know, I talked to Steve Kime.

I said, you know, can you explain the Cliff Kingsbury College and Professional swoon in the second half of the season? And Steve just said he's a very smart, creative guy who works in the summer to come in with new stuff, and maybe the league catches up with him, that he doesn't pivot to the second pitch after he's brought in new stuff. But Steve didn't really have an answer. But, you know, he said, hardworking, clever, smart. He does come in every year with new stuff. But I was sitting there watching that thing today. And by the way, Washington almost pulled it off. But once again, Washington missed PATs. They missed a field. Gulf special teams in this league are, I don't remember a year. that special teams decided more football games.

They're just terrible. But I looked at this and I thought to myself, today, if you could redraft all the quarterbacks, and you have to consider Sean Peyton and the Bowdox Steel. If you could redraft the quarterbacks, would you draft them differently? Forget the teams. Would you redraft them differently?

Well, I think Caleb's at least quieted. Listen, I was starting to wonder, what the hell were we watching? These last two weeks make you feel a lot better. I mean, today he made throws where you're like, that's what a number one overall pick looks like, no disputing. Here's where I will defend Jaden Daniels. Because today he was running around pretty well. I came into this season.

I know you picked him to make the playoffs. I thought this was more like a six or seven win team. It was going to be an impressive operation. But wins, loss, we're not going to be what it looked like they were going to be three weeks ago. I don't think they're that talented, Colin. I honestly, I don't think they're. teams that good.

Yeah. Terry McLaren is. Yeah. Terry McLaren's good. They're running backs getting banged up. Brian Robinson's a good player, but he was in and out. So if they're not running the ball well, and here's the one thing. And I always thought this about Chip Kelly and, you know, Mike Leach never came to the NFL, but Cliff's a good example. The spread offenses, right, early on in the season, rapid fire, defenses aren't as dialed, take advantage of it. As the season goes on, weather changes a little bit. It gets a lot more physical. Well, what Dallas happened today? Parsons is back now. Like, their defense is a little bit more, I would say, legitimate with him in the game. And they were just ready for a brawl.

Like, they got pride. I mean, they got a lot of high-paid guys. And Cooper Rush is accurate, moves the ball. For sure. And it was a physical game. Yeah, I think sometimes the more physical you are with more of the quote-unquote spread offenses, you can shove them around a little bit. And I think that's really what's happened in my opinion. Now, you know, one stat I saw on the Denver game is Bo Nix hasn't turned the ball over in 14 quarters. One pass was on a Hail Mary, but Jane Daniels had three picks a day. Yeah, right? So it's like you start turning the ball over.

You start forcing things. Games are a little closer. The other thing is in the NFL, you know, regardless of records, I've always thought, you know, as the season goes on, like, where do you get a lot of upsets in the NFL are division games in November and December with a good team versus a bad team? We see it every year. Yeah.

Like today, who in their right mind would have given Dallas a shot? But you can tell halfway through, you're like, this is a real game. This is going to be tough. Well, the Titans played great. Yeah. No, it's, it's, you know, I think when I looked at that game, I'm like, oh, Dallas just screwed up your draft spot. Yeah, I think to your point, I think we have to take a deep breath. Washington replaced everybody.

They came in with a new quarterback and a new offense. and Cliff Kingsbury's history of starting the first six to eight weeks quickly, but then eventually regression to the mean. Whereas Denver is better than people think. Denver's got some really good players. Denver has an elite offensive coach. Denver has a college quarterback with 61 starts. And Denver has Cortland Sutton, who like Terry McLaurin,

is just a big target that's open all the time. And I want to pivot to that game because we haven't talked a lot of Denver on our Sunday podcast. So Denver beats the Raiders 29-night teams. The only game all day, if I would have bet every game, I think I would have gotten right. So Bo Nicks, his last eight games, John, 15 touchdowns, two picks and a 104 passer rating. In those games, they're five and three. If a field goal is not blocked against the Chiefs, they're six and two. Like, we have to acknowledge now, Denver, in dead cap money hell that sacrificed draft capital,

I think this is a good team. I watch them again. The Raiders don't have a lot of quarterback, but they've got some talent. I think we have to be honest about this. I think Denver's pretty good football team. Well, Colin, I think we could be seven days away from them being officially, I guess,

unofficially a playoff team because they play Cleveland this week in Miami, who's obviously got it together with Tua back. A lot of people think that they are alive and well. Well, they play the Packers this week. So if Miami loses and they are then four, five and seven, and Denver wins, they would be eight and five.

Like, I have a hard time seeing Miami catch them. So this is a massive week. Like, I think Denver's in the playoffs if they handle business this week. Because all of a sudden you start doing the math. Like, they're getting a nine, no doubt. But I think they end up with 10. And that's, they all basically doubled their win total. Like, this has been a huge year for Sean Payne.

Honestly, it's been a win-win for Russell and Sean. Yes. Some marriages break up, go other places. is happy as hell with your separate significant others. That's how it's worked out here. So it just, it was never going to work. You thought it. We all thought it. Anyone with a brain that knows these two personalities, even if you don't know them personally, you're like, this isn't going to work. And they broke up and it's gone well for both. Listen. Right. And Sean, and Sean Payton, I think was pretty lucky that, you know, there was six quarterbacks in the, you know, because a lot of them

were going high. It just happened to be a very unique draft because it's not like they were drafted fourth. So he needed some of the stuff was out of his control, and it worked out perfectly the type guy that he would like is the last guy off the board in the top 15. I mean, it was a historic draft, right? Six guys going the top 12, 13 picks. We might never see that again. And Denver has nine of the last 12 games, and this is so big for a rookie quarterback, they've held opponents under 20. So when Bo Nix maybe struggles today a little bit in a couple of drives, they're not giving up points.

So their dbs are good I mean every time I look up Obviously Certain's good They have all these other guys This is why Vance Joseph Which Sean deserves credit for Because you give up 70 points in a game I would have been like

Sean this you might have to fire this guy By midseason Stick it out by the end of the year Last year they're playing good defense This year I think that has to be The most surprised unit of the league They feel just on the eye test One of the best defenses in the league

I know Gardner Minchu Today but the score was a little closer Never once crossed my mind that the Raiders were going to win that game today. No, but they've been doing this now for two months. I mean, go to the Kansas City game. They outplayed the Kansas City Chiefs. And so on the road. That's where I think, you know, depending on how this Denver, more than likely,

would probably be the seven-seat bill of Baltimore. Yeah. Baltimore already has four losses. But if you're telling me two of the three wild cards are Denver and the Chargers, like anytime you play your wildcard weekend, and you're playing an excellent defense. Like, you could lose. You know, this is not a three, seven game series.

All of a sudden, you have a shitty half. You're down 14 to 3 in the third quarter. We've seen this every year. So you've got two teams separate from, obviously, Herbert's, you know, an elite player. But even with a rookie quarterback, we have seen rookie quarterbacks have success in the playoffs because they don't have to do that much. And that's kind of, you know, Bo Nicks, as long as he didn't turn the ball over and their defense played a high level game, Why couldn't they win it 17 to 14 or 15 to 13? They're very comfortable playing that way.

Think about this. And I watched them today. Sean Payton does such a good job of two things, defining. He gives Bo Nix about eight layups. He gives him a lot of easy stuff. And then Bo Nix deserves credit because he is constantly seeking Cortland Sun. And Cortland Sutton is a basketball player with a helmet. I mean, he's big.

Had a great touchdown today. Oh, in the corner. Jesus. big, long athletic. I've always liked Cortland Sutton. And Mims is, it can be a burner. I like their backs. But you can see that he gets Bo Nicks easy stuff.

And then Bo, Bo like Russell does with George Pickens, Bo just attacks Cortland Sutton. But take out Andy Reid. Just take Andy Reid out. Belichick's now, not coaching. On any given Sunday, I'd argue, Sean Payton's as good a coach as the league has. I absolutely believe that.

I think Andy Reid's the best, maybe arguably ever. But now that Bella checks out, take out Andy Reid, he can go toe to toe. I mean, I love Sean McVeigh. They've had some bad offensive halves when people are healthy. So I think a lot of this is, you know, it's just funny because Sean's done things to alienate people. He's outspoken. Remember, he took a shot at the Jets. He was right, by the way.

You know, he took a shot at Nat Hackett. He was right, by the way. But, you know, when you lead with your chin, you offend a lot of people. You cannot watch Denver and not see the coaching. It's, I mean, to me, if you gave coach of the year today, I don't know how you'd, I don't know who you'd pick. I think Sean Payton is now after that Tomlin timeout mess, clock management mess, I think I'd give it to Sean Peyton. You know, I think it's the one award that honestly, as time goes on, is irrelevant, right? Like, Belichick, Andy Reid, they don't even have that many.

Andy Reid doesn't have one as a Kansas City Chiefs head coach. Like Jim Harbaugh took over a team that won five games. They're probably going to win 11 or 12. And I think the way you just described Sean, I think Jim is definitely mellowed out in his older age. But he was a lot like that early on in Michigan indefinitely with San Francisco. And both, I mean, look at those two guys. If you would have said that the Chargers in Denver, whatever the odds, if you would have parlayed those two teams to make the playoffs, Colin, they might make the playoff. be resting starters by the last week of the season. And it's it's not a coincidence that those guys,

here's the other thing. And Sean, once he hired Dennis Allen, their defense was excellent the last three or four years with the Saints. Jim, both offensive guys, former quarterbacks, value defense. Right. And we'll pay for it and invest in it. And that really matters. And I don't think it's shocking. And this is why you're watching the Raiders today. You're like, can you imagine being the redhead stepchild of your division when you're in that, you know, with those three coaches? Like, what do you even do? Like, you better hope Belichick picks up your call this offseason because if he doesn't, you got no shot. That was this week's Sunday night football brought to you by Uber Eats as the official on-demand delivery partner of the NFL. Uber Eats has the best game day deals all season long. Order now for game day.

So let's, we're talking about that division. Let's talk Chiefs 30. Panthers 27. Again, the margins are thinner. Their defense is not as good as last year. The red zone offense is struggling. You know, and then they get the ball. Mahomes makes that great scramble down the left sideline and you're like, it's really interesting watching them. I don't think we're giving Kansas City credit for this. It's virtually impossible to win back-to-back titles. even if you have Brady and Belichick in their prime. To win back to back and be going for a third, there's only so many motivational species.

You go on the road today at Carolina. You're an 11-point favorite. And, I mean, you looked at the film. I mean, all these guys, you're not fooling anybody. But I think Kansas City is going to be dialed in. I think a lot of their issues now, like today, do I believe they installed everything they have? Do I really believe that?

Or do I believe there are moments now when they're taking chances with offensive players where they're trying to develop a worthy or Noah Gray? I kind of feel like when I watch Kansas City, they're playing with their food. But again, Buffalo is better. I don't think they're buttoned up right now. But the way they came down, Mahomes three or four, big scramble, final drive, I'm like, experimentation's the wrong word. but I don't think they're installing everything.

I feel like they're trying to find out what they are. Is that fair? Well, I think their defense is not quite as good as it was early in the season because of injuries. Yes. But we've been saying they're very, very comfortable winning these weird games. Yeah. And when there was more than enough time on the clock, even when Carolina scored and got the two point, you felt confident that they would have a chance at a field goal. Right.

They were also up 27 to 19 late in the game. So it's not like it was flipped and they had to have some storming comeback. Like they were in control of the game. You know, we talk about the 49ers, right? They just ran out of gas. Well, they have been to three straight conference championship games and won Super Bowl. And then they had a year off in 2020 and then they played the Chiefs in the Super Bowl in 19. The Kansas Chiefs since 2018 have gone to every conference championship game.

And I'm pretty sure they've won back to back. they won another one and they lost Tampa. They've gone to four of the last five Super Bowls and currently are 10 and one. So it's like, however they have done, it's remarkable. And I watched the chiefs posted something in Andy in the locker room. Like we don't apologize for wins around here. We're taking everyone's best shot. And say this about Carolina.

The last, I would say, month. I mean, they had won back-to-back games and then they went on a buy. I kind of had circled that if the chiefs had beaten the bills. It's like, I might have taken them upset special. in that. And even this game, like, after that Bill's game, the Chiefs are human? Like, are they going to give their, like you said, not just the coaching their best shot, but the players, like, do you take Carolina as seriously as you did the previous week? You cannot. Can't. Like, these are 28, 27, 26, 30 year old human beings. But they're 10 and 1. It's, they are on at equally, if not, more impressive of any six, seven year stretch of the New England Patriot dynasty of what they're doing right now. Now, if you were a betting man, the Patriot. Patriots lost a lot in the second in the conference championship game over 20 years.

This, you would say probably, based on what I've seen, wouldn't shock me if they lost in the second round, right? Or in the conference championship game, especially depending. I mean, now they only have the one game over the bills, but they are, this is a weird down year for them. And they're going to be, what, 14 and 3, maybe 15 and 2? That's an incredible accomplishment. So when we talk about the Andy Reid and parenting. to Belichick. Like with injuries, they're trying to figure out the red zone offense.

They haven't had Isaiah Pacheco. Like, they're experimenting. They don't know exactly what they are. For the record, we know the Raiders and the Giants are drafting a quarterback. I watched Bryce Young today, who's arguably the best quarterback ever in Southern California high school history, who was dominant in college. I ran into his high school coach the other night at Moder Day, a legend who's retired. and I said, best player you ever had, you know, first second name out was Bryce Young.

He's like, he's just a remarkable player, great kid. I don't think Carolina's going to draft a quarterback. I think the class is too weak. I think they think Bryce is better than anybody outside of Shadur Sanders. I think Carolina is going to give Bryce Young another year. What say you? Yeah, I would say he's done a lot, like his version of what Caleb has done these last couple weeks. Yep.

You know, over the last three games for him. He's looked like a real player. Now, if you could do it all over again, would you have mortgage what you did to get him? I mean, I think probably not. I would not. But he has been more than respectable these last three weeks. And he, you know, confidence is a powerful thing for young players. Listen, he's not, he's a little small, not a great athlete, but he does have a natural feel for the position.

And that's what was so head scratching when they essentially had to bench him is he was inaccurate. He was making awful decisions. He just looked lost. And maybe sometimes, like, you just take a reset. Listen, I think Anthony Richardson, even the day they kind of got work, just has looked a lot better. I thought he looked a lot better today. Take a deep breath. I don't know if Bryce needed to be, like, humbled like Anthony Richardson, but he definitely, like, just take a step back, was probably healthy for him.

And he looks like a real NFL quarterback. Now, their team, a lot of question marks. Is their coaching staff good enough? Is their talent? Long way to go. But I'm with you. Like, what are you going to draft Cam Ward or Quinn yours? Well, the same thing in 10.

N.S. C. They beat the Texans today. And so that's, I mean, this is not a game that's riveting, but the Titans 32, Texans 27. So listen, the last six games, C.J. Stroud is really struggling. They went and got Stefan Diggs, should have probably addressed the interior line. C.J. Stroud is hurrying everything. He is struggling. He has a 74 passer rating in his last six games. He is really struggling. But I watched Will Levis today. And my take is with Bryce Young and Will Levis. I'm just keeping them. I'm giving them another year. I mean, hell, the Giants paid Daniel Jones. I don't think Daniels is natural as Bryce Young. I don't think he's as, I don't think he has the arm of Will Levis and my take watching Will Levis today. The last two weeks, I'm kind of like, yeah, they got boat race by Detroit. They don't have the same level of players. But I watched Will Levis and Bryce Young. And my take is, we like C.J. Scrowd and we see what he's going through. And Houston's got better players than the Titans. I thought Will Levis today bought himself absolutely another year.

I mean, you can go get Sam Darnold the market. I think they're just going to stick with him. Yeah, I mean, you know, Will did give you the one pick six. No, he did make some fantastic throws down the field. Something is really off with Houston. I mean, they have not looked good in a while, even in their wins. It's just they looked a lot different. Maybe it was their schedule last year.

Obviously, you know, protecting CJ has been a problem. but they look they look like a lock to be a one and done. You know, if you tell me they're playing the Chargers or the Ravens in the first round the way they're playing, I'd say Sianora. But I hear you, like this is, this league's hard. And I think sometimes, you know, these teams get so caught up on these shiny targets. It's like, let's use Diggs for an example. So you're telling me the Bills.

And listen, I know people with the Texans, they like Diggs. Yeah. But even like he hasn't been a personal personality problem. But let's just talk about the player standpoint. The Bills, who have been with. one of the best operations in the league, mine is like the Chiefs for the last four years, are completely out on the guy.

You already have Nico Collins and Tank Dell who are clearly a good young nucleus with Schultz. You're going to add a running back. Like, your offense is not line of scrimmage, line of scrimmage, line of scrimmage, yet you go do that. I think that's one where you're like, we didn't need to do that.

That's right. It doesn't make sense. We should have been extra aggressive for another guard, for another center, for another de-tackle. But that's where we're going to separate ourselves in the line of scrimmage. They felt like they were,

wanted to go more and be this spreaded around team. And that's kind of what they look like now. They're just kind of soft. Yeah. And their offense gets shoved around today. I mean, one thing the Titans have had all year long is their defense is pretty good. Yes. You remove that game against the lions where they scored 75 points. Like the Titans defense has not been the problem. And now Will Levis, I think statistics over the last couple weeks have been a lot better on what have they been. They've been a lot more competitive. Yeah, I mean, I think you have to strongly consider this quarterback class, where Schuer Sanders is the best project prospect. But it's not great.

I mean, he's got, there's some ego, there's some emotion. He holds on. I don't think he would have gone if you put him in this last draft. Yeah. He doesn't go ahead of Caleb. No. He does not, Jayden's more physically gifted. I think there's, I would say, above a 50% chance that they still would go with Drake May in New England.

Yeah. Bigger arm, cold weather, like that factors in. so he wouldn't have even potentially gone, definitely in the top two, but probably in the top three of this last quarterback class. That's not even a shock. I mean, Drake May was, Nick Saban tried to give him $5 million the previous year. Yeah. So I think sometimes we act like Drake May was just this overdrafted scrub and they got their butt kicked today. But he was, he's a legitimate prospect coming out of college.

Well, and I think Sean Payton identified very early, Bo Nix was his Drew Brees. So Chadour is benefiting greatly. Cam Ward is a lot of backyard football, a very edgy personality. And I'll just, I'll leave it at that. He's a very edgy personality, not for everybody. Jalen Milro is not very fluid, big, strong kid, great parents, wonderful kid, completely coachable. He's Anthony Richardson, but better at this point. But he's not a natural.

Like he can make great throws, but he doesn't feel like he's played enough quarterback. Like he needs a lot of work. So my take is if I got Will Levis and I look at it and I think, well, maybe Will's not Shador Sanders, but if I've got five wins and I'm drafting nine, I'm not moving up for Shador Sanders. I'm just staying with Will Levis for a year. Yeah. And I think the thing with Shador and the Dion combo, we'll see how that plays out. Like Shador at the end of the day, it's been awesome to watch.

They've been a fun story. Yes. But physically gifted, you say Dion's son, he doesn't run. I think he got his athletic jeans from mom because he is not the athlete. Like he's not Josh Allen. He's not Lamar. He's not hurt. He doesn't move like those guys.

And his arm, like Joe Burrow is the best version of this. Like that's his arm. Like Joe does not have some hose. Right. And I've heard people compare like that. Like his physical skill set is that of closer to Joe Burrow. But I think people think of, you know, Shador Sanders that aren't watching every snap of Colorado.

He's like this dual threat player. That is not his skill set, you know, at all. Cam Ward to me is much more of a dual threat. Yes. And he's got a way bigger arm than Shador. Oh, Cam's got a great arm. Yeah, Cam's got a great arm. And to me, Quinn yours, the thing with Jalen Milrow and even Anthony Richardson,

throughout the history of the league, even let's say, you know, before these last three or four years, those guys would have been like second round picks or late first round, like projects. And now they get drafted a fourth and you're pulling your hair out in year two. So I wonder if we kind of swing back a little bit and everyone takes, like, would you rather have a huge project or just take Travis Hunter with a third overall pick, right? That's what I'd rather do, or the best left tackle or the best pass rusher. And I wonder if we get a shift back because you just saw last year, the Sunday night game were recording before. Two of the best players in that draft were Mitchell, the dude the Eagles took the corner and Jared Verst, the past rusher, which historically in a draft, the top corner, the top pass pressure. Don't make it pass like pick seven. So I think it's gotten a little out of whack

and I wonder if the pendulum swings back a little bit, partly because there's going to be so much negativity on the quarterbacks. You just watch college football. It's all over the map every single week. Now for a segment called Making It Look Easy, brought to you by Morgan and Morgan America's largest injury law firm. Today, Sam Darnold did. Boy, did he have some nice throws. Two touchdowns, over 300 yards. Vikings overtime win on the road over the Chicago Bears. Sam, and the Vikings have won four straight games. Just like Sam made it look easy, so does Morgan and Morgan. Makes it easy for you to submit a claim over 100 offices, 800 lawyers nationwide,

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And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it.

We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember.

I think it was on. a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this.

We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app. Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it.

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We get a player's perspective on the challenge. challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nass would get that thing.

That man, hell get to flyin. He running up the court licking his fingers while he got the ball. Like, after you go through a training camp with that, I said? you figure it out real quick. Oh, yeah. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Agency, the ability to know that we're the experts in our own body.

On the podcast, cultivating her space, Dr. Dom and Terry Lomax create a space where black women can show up fully and be heard. I wholeheartedly think, you know, you hit 30. You shouldn't have to share one with anybody. Mm-hmm. from navigating friendships and healing to setting boundaries and prioritizing your mental health. These are real honest conversations. We don't always get to have out loud. Totally unreasonable with different parts of life, right?

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Sorry, our first ever human guest. I don't think I could be in the same room with Shamrock the pair. I'd be too nervous. That's right. The very funny Will Farrell joins Rory Scoble and me. Josh Dean for an episode dedicated to the many crimes committed by people also named Will Farrell. They called to his fellow officer for the nippers. What are the nippers?

Very good question. No, I was thinking, would that be a good name for like a salad dressing? Simple assault. And it's a play on word, salt? Maybe not. I say we invest and we see. There's only one way to know. This did not amuse the cops.

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The handling of Daniel Jones obviously did not sit well with giant players. I mean, they were guys that were pissed. And I was sitting there, first of all, I don't think this is even arguable. The Jets and the Giants are the two most dysfunctional franchises right now in the league. Carolina feels like they got a little bit of a life. Carolina, absolutely. Tennessee today felt like the win and the way they're playing. They've got a little bit of a life. Chicago with Caleb is fine, a wildly entertaining four and seven team. I think the Giants and the Jets are the two most dysfunctional franchises in the league. I think the Giants and the Jets are the two most dysfunctional franchises in the league. think, I think New York probably ends up having to take Cam Ward. Is Brian Dayball safe? I would have absolutely bet the farm four weeks ago. But the way the team reacted, they, I mean, teams don't quit very often in the NFL. I can remember 15 years ago an Arizona Cardinal team with Matt Leinert in the snow in New England.

Like I thought, oh, they quit. I felt like the Giants quit. I mean, they didn't pursue on a couple of big guys. plays, is Brian Dable safe? Well, I'm going to give him somewhat of a pass this week because this is a management ownership decision. You don't go with Tommy chicken parm. You just paid Drew Locke $5 million.

We saw him last year on Monday Night Football League, a game winning comeback against the Philadelphia Eagles. He's a real player as a backup, and he was paid as such. Well, why'd they go to Tommy? Because he's this local hero, the, you know, the agent. I mean, it's, let's be real. It's a clown show. I mean, it's a circus.

At least the stuff with the Jets right now is basically all just sourced articles written. This was actual actions. They bench Daniel Jones. And this is where I think the anchor comes from, which I think Daniels, I talked about this on the podcast. He's a good example of when you care, like you put more stock into the person and the character, which obviously checks every box. He's the perfect type guy over the player. Yes. And I think they swung a little too hard.

and I think it's a testament to how good of a guy he is that all the players, the good ones, really like him a lot. But how could you take anything seriously if you're a player and the backup all season long has been Drew Locke, who's a real NFL player and they go to Tommy Cutlets? So right there, and I'm going to give Dayball, I don't have inside information on this,

that feels like an ownership decision because part of it was there as incentives with Drew Locke. Obviously they benched Daniel Jones for money, which I understand. I'm not against that. You know, he's 3 and 13 as a starter. It was over. It had run his course.

But then to go to the third string guy who, let's face it, they're going to him for a reason, just like so you can talk about him if you win a couple games. It's a fun story. And then he's a complete embarrassment. I mean, they couldn't even function. I mean, the bucks have been leaking oil, both teams off a buy, and the bucks look like the 07 Patriots against them. And I just think that that's a reflection.

You know, John Mara is this really like presidential and regal and the family, the name. But that organization, post-Koflin in that final season, has been, it's paralleled like the Raiders and the Jets. It's no different. They run through coaches. They have these situations. It goes back to the benching of Eli for Gino. And this situation to me is even five times worse because of it's Tommy Cutlets. When you have a backup that other teams wanted, John Snyder.

or wanted to keep them. And remember the Giants are like, you have a chance to kind of start here if Daniel Jones isn't healthy. But you paid him $5 million and then you go to him, I just think that one's a hard one to shake. And then to lose like you did today. So yeah, Brian Dayball, Joe Shane,

who I'm not acting like Joe Shane's good. And maybe Brian Dayball is not either. But this has now become a John Mara operation. Because do you believe that Brian Dayball wanted Tommy Cutlets to be the starter? No, it's not the ownership. No, I think sometimes, and I think fans are pretty smart about this. I think there's so much information now.

Fans are better at betting games. They have more information that it's impossible to overcome, say, Al Davis, the last seven years he owned the Raiders. Like, you just couldn't overcome it. Blaine Kiffin pled with him. Don't draft Jamarcus Russell. Like, you know, there's nothing you can do. I think Jerry Jones right now is hard. Nothing against Mike McCarthy.

But, I mean, Cooper Rush is more than efficient, more than capable. The defense went healthy. He's got some good players can make, you know, defensive stands. I think they're these aging owners. I mean, I think the Brown family in Cincinnati, they don't have an outdoor practice facility. I mean, you can tell Joe Burrell's pissed. He knows, I mean, they're not even paying T. Higgins or Jamar Chase yet, and they're moving off Joe Mixen, giving them away for a seventh rounder. So I just, I look at the Giants and I think I always thought they were well run.

I always thought this was. Same. Like, I always thought... I saw it first hand when I was with the Eagles. I was like, this is a high-level operation. Listen, we know the bidwell, Arizona. You know, we know the McCaskys in Chicago. McNair's in Houston.

We know the circuses. Crafts well-run. You know, Stan Cronkey, non-meddling. I always thought the Giants, I always called him the accounting firm of the league. Even when they won, they were boring. I don't think, I think they make bad hires. I think Daibol's not the problem. I hope he's safe because I really do.

think he's smart. They have a left tackle, a coach, and a star receiver, and a couple of defensive linemen I like. I think there's some elements there, but my guess is they're going to end up with Cam Ward. Yeah, let's use Jerry as an example, though, this week. There was a story on like Monday or Tuesday. Well, I think Jerry created the story because he's seventh radio hit of the week. He's asked the question about Trey Lance. Yeah. And Jerry essentially said, we're trying to win. Cooper Rush gives us the best chance. Jerry's the one that pulled the trigger on the fourth round pick for the guy. He could easily say, like, so let's just roll him out. Well, it's worst case scenario.

Maybe he just, we strike oil these last couple of weeks and we feel good and we try to keep this guy or something, you know. No, we're going with Cooper Rush. Why? Because he's our backup quarterback. So for them to go to the third stringer that's Tommy Cutlets in Jersey, it's like, yeah, this, what an embarrassing. And then to have Baker and those guys basically rubbed in your face today, you know, doing the money signs that Cutlitz was doing. That's one of those moments where you start feeling, again, you're dressed. rest well, you looked apart.

But your operation's starting to feel like the Dolan Knicks for a long time now, right? Just you guys have just, I don't know, you have more name cachet with the Maras and the tishes. But we have to judge them now on the basic results and the actions that we're seeing. It's crazy, Colin. And I'm not defending, like, you can always, when they bench Russell Wilson and bench Derek Carr, same thing, money. We're not good enough. We're not going to the playoffs. we don't want to pay you $23 million.

I'm fine with that. But this is not the NBA where we just wave the white flag. Every team, look around football today. Teams are trying the Panthers, the cowboys playing their asses off, and you roll out the third string quarterback in the middle of November?

I mean, I went a couple weeks ago. I'm like, God, the Cowboys are in trouble. Now I think Cowboys are going to get back-to-back wins. Like them on Thanksgiving now, don't you? I want to talk about the Lions 24 in the Colts. I want to talk about the Lions 24 in the Colts six. That was my upset pick of the week. I thought Detroit, it was just due for... I had them too. Yeah. So Detroit, I mean, you almost never see this. Had 37 to 22 minutes time of possession.

They're boringly methodical. Anthony Richardson, they only had 11 first downs. He only 11 completions. Again, I think he's Jalen Milro. I think Milro is better at this point. But I think the Colts, again, I think with Shane Stuyken, they're going to stick with him another year. I just think that's the real. I don't, I think if you draft somebody in the first round and who's only played 13 college games, you have to stick with Anthony Richardson. But I'm watching the Lions, and they didn't play particularly well, and the Colts had multiple opportunities in this game. This Detroit is the most dominant NFL team since the Brady Moss Patriots. It's incredible.

Like, because Kansas City's won back-to-back titles, would you be shocked if Detroit went to a Super Bowl and clobbered? Baltimore, the Chargers, Buffalo, or Kansas City. And I mean, with two weeks to prepare and they're healthy, rolled. I mean, this offensive line just takes the oxygen. When you play the lion, you will have no rhythm offensively. Because even if you score, you're going to sit and watch for eight minutes. They take all of your rhythm away. And again, Anthony Richard, and has 11 first downs. But, you know, Kansas City's trying to find its offense. Baltimore's had these bad offensive showings. The good teams. Maybe Philadelphia is their kryptonite. But when I watched them today and I'm like, they didn't play well.

And it's 37 to 22 time of possession. I think the hard part about football is I thought this exactly about the Ravens. I thought they were going to roll through the playoffs. I loved them in the AFC championship game against the Chiefs. And I thought that they were going to end up playing. in the Niners, and I'd seen them beat the crap out of them on Christmas, and I expected it to happen again. And football can be weird that way. Now, the difference is the Ravens get off when the Lamar pass and him running around ratio gets off. The Lions, their defense today was

really impressive. It's like, we can win an ugly game. And you just, there was a couple of moments where they just forced long-throw downs, and you're like, God, they're missing players. They're getting injuries, and they don't. But offensively, where they don't hesitate, is they got two backs. Yep. So like their Lamar and their offense is the running back duo. Yep. And one guy will run a right up your throat and break tackles.

And the other guy looks like, when he gets in the open, he looks like Dionne Sanders. Yeah. I mean, that guy can fly. Gibbs, yeah. And Jared Goff made a couple throws today on the move. It was like, geez, like he's playing the best football of his career, the confidence that franchise has.

But here's the thing. And I remember in 2019 when the 49ers were the one seed, it came down to the last play of the season against Seattle and like the Dan Buns 2.0, Dre Greenlaw tackle. They only have a one-game lead. It feels like they are running circles around the conference and the Vikings are nine and two. The Packers today, you get that winning against the 49ers,

all of a sudden they win on Thanksgiving. They're only a couple games behind. Like, their lead is not as big. Same thing with the Chiefs who've had this remarkable season. They've already been beat by the bills. They only got one game. So the margins, this is a great part about the NFL. But yeah, I think the line.

lions would, it would be stunning to see them lose. Now, where it would change if somehow the home field fell out of favor and all of a sudden, you know, they're the, even if they won the division, but they had to go to Philly, we'll see how Philly looks over the course the next three or four weeks. That would be very difficult. Well, right? I was thinking about this. You know, I think both of us love Dan Campbell and what he's created. Sometimes he can get very emotional. You know, last year against the Cowboys, he gets very emotional. But I was thinking to myself, Andy Reid's in the other conference, you know, John Harbaugh, Jim Harbaugh, the other conference.

The truth is the next best team in that conference is Nick Seriani, and we don't trust him situationally. We don't trust him circumstantially. So it's like there isn't sort of a wizard. Shanahan's not going to be in the playoffs. McVeigh's team doesn't, I mean, I don't think they'll beat Philadelphia tonight as we're going right now. So my thing is I worry a little bit about Dan Campbell and situation.

football, but those guys are on the AFC. Same with the quarterbacks, right? So we can, you know, I get asked a lot about your opinions and Nick Wright's opinions. Hey, tell them this. And, you know, the civilian comment on Nick's on Jared Goff. Well, Jared Goff doesn't have to play Lamar, Herbert, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, and Patrick Mahomes in the first, second, and third round. He's going to draw Jordan Love, who he plays multiple times a year. He's going to draw, I don't know, Gino Smith, potentially.

right or kiler murray or kirk cousins so it's not even just the coaching it's the quarterback matchup like you went in last year the a fc championship game you're like listen mike mcdonald john harbaugh they have as good of a chance as any coach who's played andy rey and steve spagnola over the last six or seven years going back to bellichick and josh mcdaniels but then that quarterback matchup you're like uh lamar's getting tight mahomes is loose well jared goff i watched them last year he went toe to toe with with Stafford in the first round, right? And this goes back to a couple years ago when they didn't make the playoffs

and he ended Aaron Rogers' career in Lambo. Remember? It was like, well, Jared Goff can't play outside. He turns into a pumpkin. And that was a moment. And I forget the date, but it had to be like January 4th or 5th. He looked good.

He was excellent. Essentially the game winning pass at the end of ice the game. And ever since, they've never looked back. And honestly, they're a field goal decision from Dan Campbell of potentially beating the Niners. double scores. I mean, they had the chance to kind of nail in the coffin if he just kicks a field goal, unless we can argue until we're blue in the face. But they were kicking their ass. And so to me, then you get the, think about this, if they get the home field advantage, you know, as the one seed,

they only have to win two games. And then the Super Bowl obviously is in a dome, which plays perfectly to them. So their speed, honestly, they would probably love to get the Chiefs because how the Chiefs score with them. Yeah. Right. It gets a little more difficult. called, you know, if Lamar can go on a run or Josh Allen go on a run because those teams can score points. And if they got into a situation like that, they could go toe to toe to toe with them. But if they get into a position where, you know, the Chargers or the Broncos, you know, one of these other teams, they would not match up well against Detroit because Detroit gets 20 points in their sleep, right? And if they're on, they get to mid-30s, no problem. Even with guys dropping

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Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news? Huge news. We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast. Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should. should call it. And, well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers.

This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, for people could call in and say, Hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or where you're

wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman

help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter.

Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends. on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast, Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before.

And he knows, without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense.

And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball. Like, you go through a training camp with that Isaiah, you figure it out.

real quick. Oh, yeah. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This week on Crimless, we're joined by our first ever guest. Sorry, our first ever human guest. I don't think I could be in the same room with Shamrock the parrot.

I'd be too nervous. That's right. The very funny, Will Farrell joins Rory Scovel and me, Josh Dean, for an episode dedicated to the many crimes committed by people also named Will Farrell. They called to his fellow officer for the nippers. What are the nippers? Very good question. No, I was thinking, would that be a good name for like a salad dressing?

Simple assault. And it's a play on word, salt? Maybe not. I say we invest and we see. There's only one way to know. This did not amuse the cops. By the way, normally the cops are amused, but this did not abuse the cops. Will even comes clean about some of his own crimes.

I didn't get caught. You know why? If you don't want to be suspected of anything, you whistle as you walk. Listen to Crimlist on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Agency. The ability to know that we're the experts in our own body. On the podcast cultivating her space, Dr. Dom and Terry Lomax create a space where black women can show up fully and be heard. I wholeheartedly think, you know, you hit 30, you shouldn't have to share room with anybody.

Mm-hmm. From navigating friendships and healing to setting boundaries and prioritizing your mental health. These are real honest conversations. We don't always get to have out loud. Totally unreasonable with different parts of life, right? Like, oh, have all three meals and make sure you're mindful during all of them? Absolutely not. During one meal, I'm standing.

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So right now, Texas and Ohio State, in my opinion, looked like the two best teams along with Oregon. Notre Dame, Penn State, also very, very good. So again, it's big brands. You could put 74 teams in this tournament. It just doesn't matter. College football, even more than college basketball, because you have to have depth in football

because there's a regulated level of violence. I thought Ohio State, I think Ohio State, Texas, and Oregon feel like the best teams. I thought it was interesting against Indiana. They thought the game would be close. I like the Buckeyes close. I thought it was a real moment where everybody was selling me, BYU, no, everybody is selling me Indiana. They just, they looked nervous.

I mean, the special teams gaffs, they just didn't look. They didn't have the power. They didn't have the arsenal. They looked nervous. And it was funny. Josh Howard got some crap as they weren't rolling to a win. Signetti's the coach. Yeah, Will Howard, Will Howard, who's a good quarterback.

I don't know if he's an NFL guy, but he's a good quarterback. kid. You know, makes plays. I like him. Makes a plays you're like, I'm kind of into this. Yeah, I kind of like him. I kind of like him. Somebody probably drafts him. Yeah. He's hard to evaluate because their old lines historically, not this old line, but, you know, they've got NFL high round receivers and running backs. He's a hard guy. In Ohio State, O's has so much better personnel than everybody in the conference, you know, but Michigan and Penn State on an annual basis. Now, Oregon has their kind of level of talent. Yeah, yeah.

But it was funny watching Indiana get up there and some people were bothered by this gesture Will Howard did at the end. And it's really funny. I'm like, guys, Indiana came into that game. And for a team that has never won a huge college football game in my life, I thought came in with a lot of attitude and a lot of bravado. And I had no problem with Will Howard's gesture at all. And it's like, if you're going to come into the ring against the perennial world champ, okay, and you're talking shit, then if they, if they do a little gesture, I don't want to hear about it.

And, you know, Colin, you didn't like Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield did about nine different gestures at Oklahoma. This was Will Howard two seconds. But I kind of found myself, I thought Indiana was obnoxious, a little cocky coming into the game. Yeah, well, starts with the coach. I mean, he's got a big opinion of himself. And the second half looked like the little kids versus the big kids. And if all these other teams hadn't lost as the day went on, I would have had no problem leaving Indiana at home. Listen, like you, I didn't go to one of these schools. Right.

I'm a big 10 guy or an SEC guy. I'm just an unbiased lover of college football. Anyone making the argument, like, just watch the games with your eyes. We have the evidence of the NFL draft picks where all the talent is. I'm watching the SEC games on the road. you know, Oklahoma. I'm sure they got five or six guys on defense. They're going to be drafted. And one, these environments on the road are so hard in the SEC. If you put Indiana in the SEC, I think they struggle to sniff eight wins. I think they get rolled. And obviously,

they benefited this year from playing nobody. They just, they're a great story, and I appreciate it. But up until all these other teams with two losses lost last night, I would not have cried for them if they didn't get the invite to the dance. Now, just because of record, they probably will. But I would bet on them to be one and done. Yes. And see you. And listen, like, I, listen, I know you talk to Clad a lot. I can't fathom watching all these games and thinking the Big Ten talent.

Well, they're six and six and six. We'll just watch the two-team play. Yes. Watch the speed of guys on defense at Auburn, who's, I don't even know what their record is. They're going to end up going five and seven. the talent discrepancy between them and Wisconsin on defense is fucking wider than the Grand Canyon. And yet we argue this every year. It's like, guys, take a deep breath.

Let's just watch the games and go like, no one says that about the Big 12. We all acknowledge, yeah, the Big 12 is a fun conference, but it's not that talented. Yeah. But we always argue like the Big Ten and the SEC. Well, if you removed Oregon, the Big Ten would be terrible this year. Right. And let's face it, that's not a Big Ten team. You guys just got them this year.

So it's like, Ohio State's carrying you. The rest of your conference, talent-wise, looks down. I watch the SEC and I get it. They got a lot of three and four lost teams. The talent on their teams is nightened. It's just harder to play, more talented teams. On top of that, because of the television networks now, they're playing all these night games, these road night games against a bunch of NFL defenders is way more difficult than the Big Ten.

Is that even arguable this year? No, I mean, I watched Oklahoma. I thought they played a perfect football game against Alabama. They just were well coached. They were buttoned up. Their quarterback had movement. They gave Alabama some fits. I mean, I watched that game, and I was like, Jesus, Oklahoma.

They're good on defense. They have NFL guys on defense. Well, Venables, Coach Clemson, a bunch of pros, like he knows what it looks like. Offense is going to be a problem for him. But no one's going to argue that Venables and his defense is going to be good. No. And they handled Oklahoma. I thought the same thing about Auburn.

I'm like, I don't know most of these players on Auburn. Shit, they sure look good to me. And you're a former NFL scout. Yeah, I'm just like, but doesn't that jump? out sometimes when you watch these SEC games, even when their records like six and six. Well, you're like, listen, I know they're struggling to win games, but they got talent on the roster. If it doesn't really matter how many, I mean, I think Ohio State, Texas, Oregon, Notre Dame and

like a Georgia, Ole Miss, I don't really buy Penn State, you know, they've beaten a lot of. See, they're in because they didn't play anybody and they only had the one tough game. And they're lucky because Washington. Ole Miss is out probably, right? But if you told me Ole Miss played Penn State on a neutral field, I'm taking Ole Miss. So am I. And I think Jackson Dart actually is going to be like a second round pick. So, I mean, they have the better quarterback.

You know, it was funny. Florida is a good example, aren't they? I'm watching them. And I'm like, you put them in the, if they made the 12 team tournament right now and they were playing Penn State in the first round, where's most of the money coming in on that game? Florida. On Lagway, if he's healthy, on Florida. Right. And if you told me Florida played Notre Dame, like, I'm not saying that Florida would win that game, but you can't tell me that like you would be surprised at Florida won. So I want to throw this at you. You know my connection to USC. I'm a homer. So I was saying this. It's not the South.

Is L.A. is distracted. You're going to be more patient. Jen Cohen's not running Lincoln Riley out. The boosters aren't going to step up and pay him the 70 million he's old or whatever it is. They're building a $300 million facility. the NIL collective at USC is 13 million. They're not writing another check for Lincoln Riley. But I was texting somebody inside USC athletic department. I said, if you beat Penn State in overtime this year and you had the opportunity overtime at Coliseum, I said you would have beaten LSU, Penn State, your rival with nine returners on offense. If you just go get a quarterback like Oregon did in the portal, you bring back the entire

offensive line outside of center, all of your receivers, all of your tight ends, and you have, you had a very good recruiting class last year, defensive line, the best they've had since Pete Carroll, but they all redshirted. And I'm like, you're a quarterback and maybe a defensive tackle and a corner away from being really interesting. And somebody said, hey, thanks for the optimism. And I'm like, now that's what you really are. Like with Brian Kelly, I don't know what I get week to week. USC's games, John, they all look the exact same. They lead in the fourth quarter. I mean, take the Michigan game out where it felt like they were playing from behind.

They were playing chase. Every game looks the same. They just don't, they're not good enough at quarterback, and they're too young on the offensive line to seal it. But I was talking to a friend about this, and he's in the South, and I said, it's just different out here. It's not the beginning and end. They're not, no boosters riding a 50 million. dollar check for Lincoln Riley. They just paid $300 million for facilities. And I said, when I look at coaching, I said, do I get the same kind of team every week? Brian Kelly's a bit of a mess and he's not

really likable. People like, you know, the players like Lincoln, but not a lot of guys transferring. The coaches like him. He built a nice staff. So my take on USC is the advantage to being non-SEC is you get another year to two. Shit, they kept Clay Helps. They kept Clay, Helton around forever and he was over his skis. Your thought on USC. Yeah, I would fall under the USC guy that you texted that you're a lot more optimistic than me. I mean, they're probably going to get killed this week, right? And be six and six. So last year was a devastating year for Lincoln, right? It was not thought of highly. And they had a better record than this year, right? In a conference, too, that was really down. So you look back, the Michigan and Minnesota, Minnesota is actually pretty

good on defense. Washington's in a rebuild, Michigan's in a rebuild, and UCLA's in a rebuild. Here's the thing. Like, let's use Texas analogy with Sark. Sark started just buying sweet players. And maybe it's more just the Texas boosters and every, it's a little more aggressive there with football. Like they knew they were going to the SEC. They have cared for a while. They've been dying for like make money legal, right? They were lined up. I wonder if USC so far removed from Pete has the same aggression. Like if there are six or seven guys that can immediately change your organization or your program. You know, Caleb Downs, I saw you tweeting about him yesterday, who was immediately transfer portal and really probably three teams put all their chips in the middle table.

It's probably Georgia, Texas, Ohio State, right? Can USC start swimming in that end of the pool? Because I do understand if I'm a USC guy or a booster or something. someone around the program like a liner, I go, well, I know for a fact, given the rules that are at play now, when we were here with Pete, we would have, Caleb Downs, maybe we don't get him, but he's definitely taking a visit and having long conversations with all of us. And it doesn't even feel like USC's dealing in that. And like the slow build, like there aren't slow builds anymore. You can quick flip it. And that's why everyone's down on Brian Kelly. It's like, you guys are in year three, what's going on

here. Right? And that's where I wonder if Lincoln, is he going to recruit hard enough? Is he going to be able to do that in terms of like, listen, I'm not Ohio State guy, but I do respect whoever the Caleb Downs is this offseason, you bet your ass that it's Sark and Ryan Day on the phone with that kid because they got the money. Well, does Lincoln out of them and Dan Lanning? Well, the knock on Lincoln and I think it's fair. He doesn't recruit Southern California well. He has not engendered himself to Southern California coaches. He can be prickly and precious and sort of, you know, he's a small town guy. Sometimes he feels aloof. And that does not work in high school recruiting. Do they care enough? Look at Michigan's a good example, right? They had Harbaugh and they got that

taste the last three years and it was incredible. And then this year's going, couldn't be going much worse relative to what they've been. All of a sudden it's like, LSU's getting this quarterback? No, we'll rally the money, get Larry Ellison on the phone. And all of a sudden. sudden we have some package of $10 to $12 million. I don't exactly. There are a lot of discrepancies how the deal is structured, but we will pay you more than anyone else. Why?

Because we care that deeply. We care that deeply. And it feels like, you know, when USC was in their heyday, they really, really cared. Oregon has maintained that, right? From Bellotti to Chip to Healthrich to now through Atlantic. Well, hell. It doesn't feel like USC cares enough. And I think that's fair.

I think Jen Cohen, the athletic director does. their collective's 13 million. So they, I mean, the people have stepped up, but the economy in Los Angeles is bigger than almost, you know, it's bigger than Canada's. So it's like, you know, or certainly thereabout. So it's fair question. Shouldn't they be able to outbid some of these, you know, if LSU and Alabama want a kid in the transfer portal and they're willing to pay X? Shouldn't they pay X plus another 20%? Yes.

Yes. I mean, if you look at sports from baseball, I mean, there are salary caps, but. I think players know who's committed. I mean, you can see it in the NFL, like free agency. Like, people know Philadelphia is committed. People, San Francisco is committed. Chicago's not. And players can sniff it.

Players can see it and smell it and feel it. And I think your questions are what I hear from my friends. And I'm probably more patient and too optimistic. I think that's reasonable. I will say this. And I heard it again today from somebody I trust. The fastest rising quarterback is going to be Jalen Milroll. He can be a bit robotic.

It doesn't look pretty. But if Minnesota keeps Sam Darnold, as you're suggesting, and many will, there's going to be seven teams that need a quarterback. Somebody's taking that guy. I mean, if the Raiders, I mean, we know the Raiders, giants are taking quarterbacks. You start looking around this league. It could be another three teams taking quarterbacks.

I'm not trying to pivot away from college, but we didn't talk about this guy in one quarterback, move could obviously swing if a team needs the guy, and clearly this team does. But Rogers and Woody Johnson at each other's throats. Are you shocked at Aaron Rogers and his owner? He's never had an owner. And now, you know, they're going at it. You can tell like some of these leaks coming out about Aaron.

Who do you think's leaking that? I would defend Aaron of like not doing the scans. That was the story. Because he just goes, these guys are going to leak anything that comes out. So it's, I don't trust anyone here. and everyone's, well, he doesn't trust anyone. I think this is a specific thing. He's already going.

This Jets, but this gets back to Aaron, you had it pretty good in Green Bay. This is what a dysfunctional team looks like. And now you're looking at this crazy owner, all these people in the building. You don't trust any of them. Like, this is what shitty NFL dysfunction is. And you signed up for this. You wanted this. You wanted out of Green Bay.

Well, Woody Johnson, Robert Sala, they played Aaron's vanity. They flew out to Malibu. They, you know, got into his house and sat down with Aaron. And, you know, that stuff, Aaron wasn't heavily recruited. Gave up a first round pick for him. Who else was giving up a first round pick for the 39-year-old guy? Aaron went to a junior college. Aaron went to Cal.

Aaron wasn't heavily recruited. I totally get Aaron, you know, being seduced. He had to – then he goes to Green Bay. He sits behind this Messiah, Fav. I get Aaron Rogers being seduced by the pitch. Like, I totally get it. It's like these high school guys that go to the G League. You know, they never get pitched by a –

a bill self or or, you know, some elite coach. They don't get, they don't get pitched. So when they eventually do the first time, you know, and so I think the two things that I would say about Aaron Rogers, one, he got very, after that Super Bowl, he got a little snarky, a little passive aggressive in Green Bay. And he had a lot of leverage because there's no owner to tell him to just settle down. There's no owner. And I felt far of an Aaron Rogers couldn't be different people.

but in the end for both of them at Green Bay. There wasn't an owner to sit them down and say, you want to be here or not. And they kind of manipulated Guden Coons or whoever the GM was during Favre. They kind of, you know, Mark Murphy was there, but I always call it the Green Bay Packer quarterback syndrome. There's no owner to call you out on your stuff. And so I think Aaron, you know, got seduced.

And then he goes to New York and he figures, you know, they got a good roster, like Brady and Tampa. I got a good roster. Sal is a good-looking guy from the Niners. So that's my first lesson. The second thing, though, we have to be completely up front about here is I'm just going to start naming quarterbacks in their prime in the NFL. Mahomes, Alan, Herbert, Lamar, Gough, Sam Darnold, frankly, right now, Sam Darno, Joe Jalen Hertz, Kyler Murray, who didn't play well today, he's not close to those guys, John. Aaron's A Jordan

Love is probably a year away from being in his prime because, because remember, he sat for years. Aaron doesn't look like Justin Herbert. He doesn't look like any of those guys. He doesn't look like Gino Smith. He doesn't. Gino made some big off script plays today against Arizona. Like Aaron, Aaron is the other day, I was just writing down names. I was sitting here. at home, you know, watching something. I'm writing down names. I got to about 17. And I'm like, that's kind of what he is. Right. Like, we've got to be honest. The grass is nose greener. And Aaron's, and under the other thing I was told years ago about Aaron, he's not a grinder like Drew Breeze in the offseason. You can tell John, forget football players. You can tell when

somebody takes care of themselves in life. You can see if they've had too much to drink in their life. You can see the, you know, the ruddy complexion. You can see when people are overweight. You can see when people haven't taken care of things. You can walk up and, you know, look somebody up and down in 30 seconds and say, they've lived hard. They've drank too much. They've eaten poorly. Aaron did not have a reputation. Who's aging well? You know, Brady aged well. Bree's lost his arm, but, you know, aged well. Big Ben did not. Right. And so I think, with Aaron, he's aged very quickly. And part of it was his off-seasons were errands. He's, he worked out, but he wasn't a grinder. He wasn't, he wasn't obsessed with it. Like Peyton Manning. And again,

I'm not saying Mahomes can't get a dad bod for three weeks and shut it down, but I, I think Aaron has aged poorly. I think he's aged very quickly. Yeah. I mean, I think that injury last year, accelerated the process at an exponential rate. And this year you got a guy that, you know, it's probably a couple feet away from being out of the league. You know, so these stories, whether they, you know, him and Woody, they end up cutting him or the season just plays out. I don't think he has other options.

And a lot of other players always say, well, he's got this resume at 40, 41 years old, make a lot of money. The headaches now, I think, I'm not saying that it's 100%. No one touches them, but it falls off quick, right? And I think once you get this reputation, there's a lot more quarterbacks in the NFL. But I'd rather have Sam Darnold for $15, $20 million or take a chance on Aaron Rogers, especially if I'm a new coach, right? Some of these coaches that it's my first year.

Like, let's just settle everything down. And I think it's proven that Aaron's not a settle everything down type of guy. John Middlokoff, 3 and Out is his podcast at the volume, former NFL scout. We chopped it up for an hour and 22 minutes it looks like to me. As always, John. Great talking. The volume. Thursday night football is on.

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