The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - The Cowboys Aren’t Close, Athletes Doing The “Trump Dance”, NBA On TNT Moves To ESPN/ABC

Episode Date: November 19, 2024

Colin reacts to the Texans beating down the Cowboys 34-10 on Monday Night Football!He breaks down why the Texans will be fine despite some struggles and debates what the Cowboys should do in the draft in order to secure an impact player for the future seeing as they “aren’t close” (4:15). He explains why fans shouldn’t freak out about pro athletes like USMNT star Christian Pulisic doing the “Trump Dance” despite their politics (12:30), and why ESPN adding the star-studded crew of “The NBA On TNT” to their programming slate was a savvy business move (21:45).  Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates!  #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Houston minus four and a half to cover in the first half. First play of the game was actually a touchdown. Ineligible man downfield screwed that up, but they scored Joe Mixing on a big run after that to take a lead, never look back. I mean, the first thing is C.J. Stroud has struggled for about five weeks, and you can tell why. He's got a bad offensive line. In golf, they call it the yps.

He lets go the ball too quickly. I don't worry that he's got more interceptions now than he did all of last year, because when he had Stefan Diggs and Nico Collins healthy, he was four and one. He's still undefeated in division. He's four and four after the win over Dallas tonight in the rest of their games. I think the Houston Texans are fine. They're the Green Bay Packers of the AFC. They're a year away.

They need another draft. They're a little bit thin. Packers are a little young. Texans are a little thin. They both have good young coaches, really good young quarterbacks. They're just not ready to beat the Detroit's or like the Buffaloes in Kansas cities. but it's a good team. And I don't take anything away from C.J. Stroud.

His comp was Jared Goff. Well, if you go back to Jared Goff's third year in the NFL, that was McVeigh, his pass-a-rating dip to like mid-80s, high-80s. And so, you know, CJ doesn't trust his protection. PFF has their O-line at like 26, 27th. His top receiver, Stefan Diggs is out. Nico Collins came back tonight. He's been hurt.

Nico Collins is amazing. He went to Michigan. He was a Southern kid. from, I think Alabama, went to Michigan, productive, but not a superstar in college, like mid-30s catches. And they got him in the third round, and boy, he is a hard guard. He is a hard guy to defend it. You know, you can tell C.J. Stroud, and his comp is golf, so he's not a playmaker. He's just sit in the pocket and throw darts. When Goff's offensive line is great, Jared's great. His rookie year, C.J. Stroud had a very good offensive line. He was outstanding.

Gough and Stroud, those were the comps by scouts, and it was accurate. C.J. moves a little better. But when they don't have great protection, they rush things. They throw more interceptions. They're just not as on point. And I think that's C.J. Stroud just needs better protection. He'll be fine. I think the Jared Gough comparison's always been true. When they have great protection, they're really special. You know, it's interesting, though, watching the Cowboys. So the Cowboys, right now, if you go to the current NFL draft order. There's five teams with two wins, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Cleveland, Las Vegas Giants. And then there's four teams with three wins, the Jets, New England, Carolina,

and Dallas. Dallas is now at three and nine. And so the advantage for Dallas is, listen, they have a chance to end up with just three wins now with Cooper Rush, but they played Tommy DeVito and the Giants on Thanksgiving. And if they win that game, and I think they will. That'll be their fourth win. It'll take Dallas out of any shot for a first, second, or probably third pick in the draft. It's not a particularly strong draft. And they wouldn't take Shadour Sanders anyway.

But what I was hoping is if Dallas can get into the top five, and they still have a shot, even if they beat the Giants, that would be four wins. They also play Carolina. But if you're Dallas at this point, this is why the New York Giants are not going to go to Drew Locke. They're going to Tommy DeVito. they'd rather not win games. And the Giants have a real shot.

Because I think Jacksonville, Tennessee, and Cleveland are too talented. They'll win another game. If the Giants get beat by Dallas, there's a real possibility. They don't win another game, and they have the number one pick. And they will absolutely draft Shadur Sanders. So Dallas, I would draft Shadur Sanders, but I wouldn't sign DAC to a long-term contract. But Dallas isn't going to draft him. There's some good players in this draft.

The number two pick, I think, will be Kelvin Banks. He's an offensive tackle from Texas. Travis Hunter, a very explosive player from Colorado, will go second or third. Mason Graham, the defensive tackle Michigan. Will Johnson, the corner from Michigan. Will Campbell, the offensive tackle from LSU. T-Mack, the wide receiver for Arizona. Really big target.

Southern California kid, he's a really good player. Cam Ward is going to go somewhere in the top 10, although a little backyard football for me. I wouldn't draft him that high. But it's not a great draft. There's a lot of Michael Williams, the defense of the edge for Georgia. There's a lot of Georgia and Michigan guys in the top 12, top 15, not a great draft. And listen, if I was Dallas and I got a top five pick, I would move down because I don't

think they're close to Detroit, Philadelphia, Buffalo, Kansas City. I don't think their roster's close. I don't think one player is going to solve it. But I don't think this is a good enough draft where people are going to going to want to move up unless you have a top five pick and maybe a top, yeah, a top five pick and somebody wants Cam Ward, who I think is an okay prospect. I think Schindor Sanders is a strong prospect, kind of in the Jaden Daniels class, you know, electric moving, nice arm, very accurate. You know, he's a winner. He was a winner. First year in college, he's a winner at Colorado.

I mean, they're a really good football team now that could win the Big 12. So, you know, Dallas there is, this is what happens for the Giants who reached on Daniel Jones, the Cowboys who have overpaid DAC, had some injuries. I would strongly consider the one thing about this draft, it's weak at quarterback, it's strong at wide receiver and it's strong in the first round on edge rusher. I would consider moving Micah Parsons. You know, somebody's going to give you a first round pick and have to pay him. But, you know, there's a lot of teams in this league that are close, but they could use an elite edge rusher, and Mike Owen Healthy is that.

And you could go draft another edge rusher and restart the clock on that position. And there's several, Abdul Carter, the edge rusher from Penn State's, a top 10 pick. Again, Williams from Georgia, top 10, 12 pick. But I think Dallas, you know, they have to have like a come to Jesus moment.

They're just not very good. I mean, you watch tonight, you know, CD Lam's an explosive player, but they know their past protection is just okay. They have the weakest running back room in the league. They have nothing after CD Lamb of note. They need a lot of help. Their corners are okay, not special, in my opinion. So I think that's where Dallas is.

It's not a year in the NFL draft to want a quarterback. There's one. And I think, you know, listen, Vegas and the New York Giants both need one. I think Sam Darnold will probably have a market, a decent market, because I think Minnesota's going to, I think they've got a chance to sneak into the playoffs. They're just good enough. But Dallas has a long way to go. Houston's going to be fine. They're going to be fine. They're going to get better next year. I like their coach, their quarterback, their front office. They've got some players. Their whole line's just kind of a mess. A lot of panelists. Don't pass protect particularly well you saw it tonight. They don't pick up blitzes. They just, it's a bad unit. But Dallas has to really think long and hard. The downside to a mediocre draft like this year is the Cowboys would love to trade down. This is why I believe they have to have a top five pick because the people, the only players that people will trade up for is a Shadour Sanders or maybe a Cam Ward. There's like one or two great tackles.

There's four or five. I think Mason Graham, the defensive tackle for Michigan, is really, really special. He's been unblockable by a single offensive lineman in college football. You kind of have to double team him. So, you know, just it's interesting to see all these teams at the top of the draft, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Cleveland, Vegas. You know, you're kind of used to them. Jets, Carolina.

Then all of a sudden you go, oh, yeah, Dallas. Wow, Dallas. But you watch tonight. There's nothing there. So you're seeing something all through college and pro sports, and it was very noticeable this weekend, you know, the Trump dance by young NFL players, African American players, white players, veteran players, Brock Bowers, the young tight end for Las Vegas. And but I was really, you know, athletes have a sense of humor. You know, it's a sport, it's a business, but it's a sport. And, you know, after you score, you celebrate. I don't care what players do. I really don't. But I did think it was interesting that in soccer, United States Ben's national team star Christian Pulisic did the Trump dance. And the reason I think

it's surprising is that soccer tends to have a very young, left-leaning audience. And when he did it, I thought, oh boy, there's going to be a meltdown. And regardless of where I am, I've always view myself really as a moderate, independent. But you can drive yourself crazy all you want. But the reason the athletes are doing this is because it's really a quirky, weird, odd dance. And every time Trump did it, it just looks so outdated. And I think Trump sort of leans into it now and knows people get a kick out of it. And it's okay to take a deep breath. And regardless of what you think of a politician, it is a three-second, four-second dance. They're pro-athes. athletes, take a deep breath, or you can go into therapy for the next four years because your

side lost and be miserable. You know, sometimes I think in politics, the greatest advantage conservatives have is people watching the other side melt down and look crazy and out of their mind. It's just a dance. It's no big deal. It's three seconds. Athletes have a sense of humor. We're all going to be okay on that. But it was noticeable to me that when Pulisic did it, I thought, oh, that's surprising. You know, soccer players in the soccer community have always felt a little European, kind of left-leaning, young, stylish. That's what it's always felt like to me. You know, the hipsters.

I love soccer. You know, I've told the story before. My mom was British, and when I was a kid, really, really young, I was probably six years old. seven years old. My mom took me to England. And England was the Netherlands with Johan Kroiv, a great soccer star, and England were the dominant kind of teams in the world. And England had won a World Cup back then. And my mom bought me a little soccer set. And I can remember playing with it in the window ledge in England, Lancashire, in the middle of England, where my mom was from. And so I remember those. I have these strong, it's one of the

of the first memories of my life is playing with this soccer game, and Netherlands wore orange, that's their country's color, and it was on television. It must have been around, you know, the World Cup, because that's all my mom and her twin brother, my late mother, and her twin brother, Peter, that's all they, you know, that was like a big topic of conversation, and they went and got me that soccer game. So I've always been, and then I moved to the Pacific Northwest. You know, I was from there, the Seattle Sounders, the Portland Timbers, and then I went there in my career, so I've always liked soccer, especially the United States men's national team. But I didn't look at the reactions of their fans when Pulisic did that.

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So over the course of, I think it was late last week, it was announced in the negotiation between the NBA and TNT. Adam Silver didn't want TNT involved in it. Long story. mostly boring, the top executive for Warner Brothers, just pissed off Adam Silver and he no longer wanted him associated with the league. And so basically, they struck a deal, and ESPN is going to get the show, the Barclay Shack show. I actually think it is significant because in the regular season, that show is often more entertaining than the games in a long NBA regular season. And I'm a huge fan

Mike Breen. I never understood breaking up Jeff Van Gundy, Mark Jackson, and Mike Breen. I thought at the time it was easily their strongest broadcast unit. I didn't get it, probably political. Van Gundy had been at times critical of the NBA. So it felt like Adam Silver stepped in and blew that up. And it's happened before. I remember when David Stern was commissioner. I had heard complaints that he wasn't happy with the, I forget the broadcaster, one of the broadcasters on ABC ESPN. And David Sturton had pressured ESPN to make changes. So, but I do think ESPN's NBA coverage for the last, I mean, what do they have the right? It's 20, 22 years. I love Brain, but it's just been a revolving door of personalities. And they've never really stepped up and spent big money and got

landed a superstar. And I think this will really cement. I mean, let's be honest. For years and years, Monday Night Football was kind of swimming in mediocrity. It's nothing against the broadcasters, but it never felt as good as like Al Michaels or, you know, the bigger broadcast teams, Jim Nance. And so Buck and Aikman have solidified Monday Night Football. They make it feel big again. And for years, I just, I felt like it just, it didn't feel as big as the Fox game of the week or the Sunday Night Football Game of the Week or the CBS Jim Nance Romo game of the week. ESPN felt like number four. and Buck and Aitman have elevated it.

And I think ESPN's pre-and-post game show has been really weak. And I mean, the halftime shows like two minutes and commercials. I mean, they don't even care. They're just selling spots. So I think this will make it more formidable like Buck and Ainkman do. It'll make it feel big. And I think if you're Adam Silver, NBC is going to have NBA, ESPN's going to have NBA, and Amazon's going to have NBA. But the incumbent is ESPN.

And I think it's a strong play. I think, you know, I love the business I'm in. I think Jimmy Bataro, who runs ESPN, has taken big swings. I think Nick Saban, Pat McAfee, Buckin-Akman, Shaq Barkley, Jason Kelsey, Bill Belichick, those are big swings. And I think as our business, as the market's gotten wider and wider and wider, it's harder to develop shows. It's easier to go get widely recognized personalities. to put a Nick Saban on a game day. And I think he's been the perfect tonic on that show between all their other cast. He just clicked with them. And so I, and the reason ESPN has done some big game hunting. I mean, they've really taken some big swings is because for years and years,

they were swimming in red with their streaming growth, you know, Disney Plus. And it was losing, you know, four, five billion a year Well, they just turned a profit. This year they made a billion. And so this point forward, Disney's going to be making four, eight, 12, 20 billion dollars a year in their streaming. So, you know, underneath Disney is ESPN. And even though cable television is probably got six years left, seven years left, from what I read, Disney's now humming.

So they're taking big swings. And they're going buying big names. people as the market has become very, very wide. And it's just, it's when people, there's so many platforms, there's so many options. I mean, people are sitting on TikTok all day. To get attention, you got to go take big swings. And, you know, I think that's what Shaq and Barclay and Kenny and Ernie are. I think that's arguably as good as any pre-post game halftime show. I think Fox's football show and that show are the two that really stand out to me anyway. The volume.

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