The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Tony Dungy on Peyton Partnership, Belichick Battles, Rodgers Drama

Episode Date: September 15, 2021

Colin explains the most important thing USC has to look for to find the right head coach (3:00). Then, legendary head coach and NBC Sports analyst Tony Dungy discusses the tough advice he once gave Peyton Manning (10:00), great stories from how the preseason used to be (12:00), why the Jameis Winston/Sean Payton relationship can work (15:00) the adjustment that Bruce Arians made with Tom Brady (16:00), the simple advice he got from Steelers legend Chuck Noll (21:00), why he rolls his eyes at Aaron Rodgers drama in Green Bay (24:00), why he's concerned about the pressures being put on NFL head coaches (26:00), what he loved about coaching against Bill Belichick (28:00), the two keys NFL QBs need to succeed (32:00), Tony's takes on the young NFL QBs and how he would defend them (32:00), the biggest cultural differences between when he was coaching and today (37:00), and why 90% of NFL games are lost rather than won (39:00).Make sure you follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates and check out FanDuel for the best wagering and daily fantasy action! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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13 years as a head coach, a winner in 12. Super Bowl is a player and a coach, one of four people to ever win that. A Super Bowl as a player and a coach will be joining us in five minutes. So I think USC should go get an NFL coach. I think name image likeness is going to be a little bit of an avalanche for the next decade. And these NFL coaches are not control freaks. They've dealt with players getting paid. They're very comfortable with it.

They've got owners in the NFL. they're not in the I have to control everything business. I said Doug Peterson to me. Matt Nagy, if the Bears fired him, Anthony Lynn, all won playoff games in the NFL, all have a presence. If you go look at USC, Miami and UCLA, three urban universities, if you look at the coaches that have had the most success, Pete Carroll, John Robinson, USC, pro coaches.

Chip Kelly, pro coach is getting it rolling. Dick Vermeal, UCLA. pro coach. How about Miami? Last time they won, Butch Davis, Dennis Erickson, Jimmy Johnson. When you get to these big distracted cities, you need a big presence to cut through. I always said this about Georgetown basketball. When USC was at its best, I remember Kirk Herp Street saying to me, he goes, when I go to USC games, it's college, but not just college. It feels like somewhere between the NFL and college. And that's what the Miami Hurricanes felt like. And that's what the Georgetown Hoyas felt like with Ewing and Iverson and David Wingate and Reggie Williams,

Alonzo Morning, Georgetown in D.C. It was a college basketball program, but it had the attitude and the intimidation and personality of a pro team. So did USC with Pete Carroll. So did Miami with Jimmy Johnson and Dennis Erickson. This is not rural America. These are distracted markets. There's pro sports everywhere. You got to cut through. And I just think in Los Angeles right now, every college football reporter has the same names. James Franklin's not getting this job. He's making $8.5 million a year at Penn State. You'd have to buy him out for $4 million.

So that's $4 million in a buyout. He would want at least $10 to $12 million to coach USC to make the money right because L.A. is so expensive. His staff would be $8 to $10 million. USC is not going to pay $25 million for a coach. They're not going to write that check. They're also in Los Angeles not going to let somebody walk in and control the program. It doesn't work that way. This is not Ames, Iowa.

You know, this is not a small town where, you know, Nick Saban can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants. That's fine in Alabama. That's not going to work here. So I think there are these very unique college cities, Miami, Los Angeles, where you have to attack it differently. DC with Georgetown, you got to attack it differently. And I hope USC thinks big.

But God, if I have to see Chris Peterson ain't taking the job, doesn't want it, told me that. Bob Stoops has been offered three or four jobs. He's not doing it. James Franklin, USC's not going to let a guy come in and just control the athletic department. He's a control guy. Most of these college guys, they have to have the secretary, they have to have the budgets. that's just not what USC is going to do. Also right now, if I was a college coach, I'd use USC to get a raise at my school.

I mean, the PAC 12 television contract right now is a mess. It's a mess. USC's highly political. Yeah, it's not a perfect job. It's not 1990. It's not Pete Carroll's L.A. when you had no NFL in town. You have to win and you have to win a certain way.

And frankly, the demands are intense. And the minute you lose a game. People are uninterested. You don't get the guaranteed $92,000 home field advantage. It's not the way it works in L.A. People have other things to do. I've always said this. Whenever you have a beach, Miami in L.A., it's like adding another pro team.

It's just another option that's fun that people can go to. What else are you going to do in Auburn, Alabama? Tallahassee, Florida, Gainesville, Florida. I mean, what else you're going to do? 90% of college football powers are in the middle of nowhere. It's the only game in town. USC the minute you go on a two-game losing streak, your revenue drops through the floor. Do you see the Coliseum Saturday?

There was nobody in it. Third quarter, nobody in it. So you got to cut through. You got to get a big personality. You got to get an NFL guy. Go big. God, college football was so much bigger years ago. Miami, Pete Carroll, Lou Holt, it feels so insular now.

I mean, we basically know who's playing in the national championship final four now. You know, write the teams down. California is the fifth biggest economy in the world. It leads the way for our country in tech innovation, in agriculture, one of the top manufacturing states, in aerospace. Why can't we lead it in college sports? He's starting his 13th year on NBC's football night in America. It's been a great privilege to know Tony Dungey, one of the most ethical and decent guys I've ever known. And I just love chatting to him.

He's really smart. Tony, I talked to Peyton Manning recently. He was so funny. I said, you know, when there was a view that, you know, you ran the offense and Tony ran the defense. And he was the head coach. and I said, you know, did you and Tony, you know, tell me the first time you and Tony locked horns and he told the funny story. He goes, he came to me. He said, Peyton, stop throwing interceptions right now.

I don't know if I put it exactly that way, but we did have a discussion. And I said, hey, Peyton, we are an explosive offense. We're going to continue to be explosive. but we've got to take care of the football. If we take care of the football, we're going to be a championship team. And he didn't understand that totally. He didn't grasp it. And it came slowly but surely.

And 2002 was my first year there, kind of bought into it a little bit, 2003, 2004, he goes 49 touchdowns and 10 intercepts. That's when it clicked and that's when we became a team you had to be reckoned with. You know, it is interesting because, Tony, I like guys, you know, Tom Brady, he'll throw picks, Eli Manning, Big Ben, Brett Fav. What is the line, Tony, where you don't want to dissuade a tant, like Lamar Jackson. I want him to run. He may fumble occasionally.

Like, what's the line for you as a coach, what you'll tolerate and what will drive you nuts? The line is you can't turn the ball over. You've got to take care of the football. and that's what you've got to get across them. Interceptions are going to happen. Fumbles are going to happen. But everybody's got to take that. That when it does happen, it's a catastrophe.

It's not, hey, it's okay. And yeah, we took some shots. And so we lost the ball here. It's no big deal. It is a big deal. And when you get to that point and it's important, that's when you're going to be good. And, you know, all of the great quarterbacks have that. Sean McVeigh, a few years ago, refused to play starters in preceding.

season. And they went eight and no to start. And it, you know, the NFL is a little bit of a copycat league. And a lot of these young coaches now, they just won't play starters. Now, Ariens will, Tomlin will, Belichick will. Oh, the old school guys. Right. Now, Bill Polion told me once, Tony, he felt you needed three weeks of hitting, intense hitting. But that doesn't necessarily mean three weeks of games. Where do you land today on on scrimmages, practices, preseason, game participation? I think everybody knows their team and everybody knows their players. And certain guys don't need a whole lot. Other guys need more. But there's a conditioning factor that comes in. I'm watching these games the first week. And I'm seeing mistakes in the fourth quarter. Turnovers,

fumbles, false starts that come from fatigue. So how much do we get that out of you by playing and practicing? That's important. I can tell you this. If I told Peyton Manning, you aren't going to play all preseason and you're not going to get any live reps. He wouldn't be happy with that because he felt like he needed them to get himself ready to go. So elite players, your Ray Lewis types, those kind of guys, go back to your career, Dwight Freeney's. They, you know, in your all your years, Derek Brooks, they wanted reps in preseason. Absolutely did. I can go back to my playing day and Coach Noel with the Steelers, that's steel curtain and saying,

hey, you guys are going to get three series in this preseason game. And defense, we'd go in there, three and out, and Jack Hamm going up to Coach, Coach, that was only nine plays. I need to get some more work. I need to be out there. I need to give me another series. Those guys wanted to play and get ready. We played a preseason game my second year, Colin, in Dallas, the last preseason game,

we're playing against the Cowboys. They beat us on the last drive of the game. Roger Stalbuck is in the end of the game. Jack Lambert is out. there, Joe Green, 50 passes to win the game, the last preseason game. I know it's different now and times of change, but that was the competitive nature of those guys, and they wanted to get ready and wanted to be ready for opening day. You know, we have a bunch of quarterbacks that have changed teams, Matt Stafford, James

Winston, and I, Tony, I believe this in life. There are just certain players that fit is underrated, that some people. personalities don't work. I think you and Peyton, Peyton was so intense and you were more relaxed. I thought you guys were a perfect personality match. I thought Mora was too intense. And Peyton was too intense. He's a little bit of a teeth clencher. And I did think your sort of more mentoring style, more of a teacher than a yeller. It was great with Peyton. I think Belichick and Brady are both very willful, very focused, very driven. I love their personalities. And Montana was coachable. Walsh was a great teacher. It worked. But it doesn't always work. And I'll give you an example.

I love Bruce Ariens, but he's a very high risk coach. You know, no biscuit, risk it, no biscuit. James Winston tends to be a little loose, a little bit of a gunslinger. I didn't think he and Arians were a good match. Payton, Sean Payton, tends to be very more detail-oriented, more about, manipulation efficiency.

And so I watched James Winston and I'm like, I think this is actually a better fit than Tampa. And I just want your interpretation of what I just said. Is it a bunch of nonsense or does it make sense? No, you're on the right track. It's like a marriage. And you know, how people always say opposites attract and this man was together with this woman and they were perfect. And a lot of times it's the same way with the coach and the quarterback. You learn from other people.

You take on other characteristics. And sometimes you need that. If your tendency is to be a let's go for broke gambler and your coaches that, too, you're going to have that type of personality out on the field. And I think James is going to benefit from Sean Payton saying, no, no, we've got to, you know, it's kind of the conversation I had with Peyton. We've got to rope this in a little bit. And then there are some quarterbacks who, Tuatanga Vailoa, is very,

careful with the ball. He might need Bruce Ariens to say, hey, you know what? You've got to go down field with it sometimes. We've got to see your ability. So it's getting that match and knowing your players and sometimes I always felt the coach had to adjust. Okay. If I read this into Peyton, I've got to adjust and get it out of him. That's my job. It's not his job to adjust to my personality. Well, I think Ariens adjusted to Brady at the by week. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely did. And I think Tom was saying, hey, we can do things a little differently. This is what I'm used to. If you let me do what I'm good at, we're going to be in great shape. And to their credit, Bruce and Byron left, which I saw a different type of offense in the second half of the year. I'm seeing a different

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It's a better fit in the college than it is in the NFL. You know, Belichick has control. Pete Carroll does, but they've also had sort of odd drafts. Bill's really struggled at some positions in the draft. Pete's missed on some first rounders, several. You could have worked in college, but you always felt like a pro coach where control wasn't that valuable to you. Go back to your career. Because I see a lot of these coaches now, all college coaches want control.

But some of these NFL guys, they want more say in personnel. Heck, Aaron Rogers now says he wants say in personnel. I'm not a fan of that. You tell me, did it matter to you? How did you and Polly and make it work? People ask that question all the time, especially lately, you know, who had control of the draft? Who had the final say? Who had the final say on the 53?

I honestly don't know, Colin. I'm sure Bill did, but, you know, we would have discussions. And I knew Bill was not going to draft a player that I didn't want. I was not going to keep a guy on the team that Bill didn't want. We had a great capacity to listen to each other to fill things out and work together. And that's what you have to have. And it was a partnership. And I don't understand this.

You know, I've got to be right. It's got to be my way. I've got to have control. When I started coaching in 1981, Chuck Knoll, I went into his office and I said, what am I supposed to do? I've never coached before. Tell me what I'm supposed to do.

And he said, your job is to help your players play better. And it was so simple. But that is the formula. And so I always felt. that way. I don't have to have control. I have to help my players play better. Now, Bill Paul and Rich McKay before that, to their credit, they got to know what kind of players would flourish well under me. And so, hey, don't draft the player that needs a full-time babysitter. Don't draft the player that's not motivated. That's not what Tony's good at. He's going to coach him.

He's going to work him. He's going to help him. But certain types of guys are going to flourish here. Certain types of guys aren't. And once we understood that, we were in great shape. Did you ever have a player that you looked at and you went to Bill or McKay and said, this is going to work for me. And maybe there was pushback. But you knew innately, Tony, this kid works for me. That is exactly what I want. Yeah.

And we got to know that. We had what we called a buck filter when I was at Tampa. And we did the same thing. What does a cold look like? And so Bill Poland got to know that very well. And so the guys who might have been offered. other people's radar. Hey, Bob Sanders, he is small. He's undersized. But, man, he is a fiery guy. He's attitude guy. And, you know, and some schools would be that way. We had a lot of success with the Iowa

guys because we knew they were coached a certain way. They were ready to go. We knew what we're going to get. And I think that's really important. Who's going to flourish in your system? So it must, you must look at the Green Bay situation. I know I do. And I just can't figure it out. I'll tell you, Tony, I wouldn't want control over personnel at Fox. I can barely figure out how to host a show and a podcast. I don't want it. When you look at the Green Bay situation, do you just roll your eyes at it? I do.

And, you know, as great as Peyton Manning was and as much as he wanted to be involved in things, he understood that his focus was not the same as the organization's focus. I was the same way as the head coach. My focus was on winning this year. Bill Pollyne had to focus on three, four, and five years down the line. So I had to defer to him. I couldn't say, hey, we've got to make this decision and it's got to be this way. I'll give you a classic example.

Our Super Bowl year, the year before we came close, don't win it. Edron James is up. He's a free agent. And Bill Poulin comes to me and says, Edron's going to get $6 or $7 million on the open market. Now, we could pay him, and he deserves it. but if we sign him, I can tell you right now, Tony, we're going to lose Dwight, Frini, Dallas Clark, and Reggie Wayne two or three years down the road.

We won't be able to re-sign. Or we can let Edgerman go. It's a great year for the draft. We can draft. We'll either have Lawrence Moroni, Maurice Jones, Drew, or Joseph Adai, and we'll resign those other three guys and we'll be competitors for a long time. What do you want to do? Well, my first inclination is, hey, we got to win this year.

Let's re-sign Ed. If we can do it, we can squeeze it in. Let's do it. But then when you really think about it down the road, that's not the right thing to do. I was focused in on that year. I didn't know the running back's coming up. Well, sure enough, we let Edron go. We draft Joseph Adai.

He plays great for us. We win the Super Bowl. And long after I'm retired, they're still in contention for a Super Bowl. Yeah. You know, Tony, you're a guy that could have, you look at these coaches now in the salaries and there is this sort of I always worry about NFL coaches

that the league's not healthy for coaches that it just asks so much of them. Now college football, Tony, there's two signing periods. They have no off season. You're on a phone constantly. Is somebody who deeply loves the game, are you ever concerned that coaching is less healthy than ever?

I absolutely am. And I know I was very, very blessed to work for Chuck Knoll and not get put in that situation when I was a young coach and see a coach who was successful and didn't make it his whole life. I worked for Denny Green for four years, and Denny was the same way. So I saw you could do it that way. I tried to do it that way and demonstrate to my coaches and players

that we can win, we can be successful, and we can still have family life, we can have social life. We can, as Chuck Null would say, we can find purpose somewhere else. And so I'm really grateful to see Mike Tomlin go on and do it that way, and Herm Edwards, and Lovie Smith, and a bunch of guys who are with me. But I see the other side of it, too. And I see the people that feel like, man, I've got to win.

I've got to be here. I'm going to pour everything I've got into this because I owe it to my organization, my staff. And you're right. I don't think that's healthy. You know, Andy Reid, I always had this theory, is that Belichick dominates coaches that have a certain system. What he struggles with is quarterbacks that can move. He struggled when he played Cam. And he struggles with coaches who don't have a system, they're play designers.

So Andy Reed has given Belichick problems. He doesn't have a system. He gets his players and he designs plays for his players. That Bill is very good at film study. This is what you do. I'm taking it away from you. Belichick is largely viewed as the best football coach of our lives. And you and Bill had some real struggles.

Was there, were there things that Bill did that you felt you had success with? I mean, you were in the rare position that you had a quarterback that was as good as his. And so a lot of your games with Bill, Tony, they were chess matches. They were real chess matches. And if you take the audience to this, you had some success against him. Andy Reid. The list is very short. And did you enjoy those?

Were those sleepless nights? Take me back to those. No, I loved it because it was a challenge. And what it was, you had to adapt and you had to react. He was not going to give you what you expected. He was not going to give me what you saw the last four or five weeks. He was not going to give you what you saw the last time you played them. So towards the end of our time going against each other, that was always my speech to our team.

We don't know what we're going to get. If we're close at the end of the first quarter, we'll see what their game plan is. Now we've got to be able to adapt and change ours. And so that became the philosophy. And it was a challenge. I loved it. He was great to go against because he, made you a better coach.

Yeah. You know, I remember hearing that from somebody inside the organization. He liked going up against you. He loved going up against Pete Carroll. He liked Bill liked the intellectual challenge. I mean, his mom spoke like seven languages. You knew you were getting something, you know, you were getting something pretty high in from Bill. Do you, it was there ever a moment that you walked off the field and thought, I got the best of Bill?

I'm not going to publicly say it. but I got the best of him. No, you know, you always felt like you were fortunate when you won the games. We knew probably from 2003 on that these were going to be close games. They were going to go back and forth. You were going to have to play your best. You couldn't have lead downs. You know, for me, the ultimate was we're down 21-3 in the AFC championship game.

And we talked about it. Hey, they're going to come out with some things that we aren't ready for. We've got to keep it close. and the debt. Well, we wanted it to be closer than 21-3, but we had to adapt, and we did, and we fought back through it, and we took the lead with a minute left in the game. And I remember telling our team afterwards, that is how you have to play. I'm proud of you guys for hanging in there and not giving up. And that's when you felt like, and we did a good job today. There's a bunch of young quarterback. Some will play immediately. Some like Trey Lance have a better

situation. They can slowly be kind of moved and into the offense. What as a fan, that's what I am in the end. I'm a broadcaster, but I'm a fan. When you looked at young quarterbacks, what was an early sign either they were yours or you were facing them? An early sign that, oh, that's a little bit of a problem. This isn't going to work or the opposite. Oh, he does that well. Are there traits, Tony, that are problematic that you spot that just historically, in your 35, 40 years, like if a guy can't do blank, it's not going to work? I always felt there were two things NFL quarterbacks needed. They needed, number one, they need poise and the ability to filter everything out and do what they do in the high-pressure situation. And then number two, they need accuracy.

I remember I played on the 49er team when Joe Montana was a rookie. And he came in and you saw that he was so cool and calm and collected. And then every ball was right between the numbers. And so even when he wasn't playing, and you said, man, this guy, he's got that. He's got the poise. He's got the action. So you look at Paid Manning, Brady, you know, all the great ones. They have that.

They can put the ball right where they want it. And they have poised. Now you can see a quarterback who's got a lot. lot of other things, when they're not accurate or they tend to get rattled, then you say, I don't know if he's going to be a great NFL quarterback. So we have a lot of young quarterbacks. I'm going to throw out a name of young quarterbacks, and you just give me, as a former defensive coach, what you see, what would be a challenge?

So I'll just throw a couple names at you, Justin Herbert of the Chargers. great kid i got to know of him out in Oregon he's from Eugene i spend a lot of time out there everybody talked so highly about him as a person and then you see the the ball skills that he has and the fact that he's a great kid he went back to the university of Oregon when he could have been a top five draft choice because he wanted to play with his brother and he wanted to help Oregon win a national championship those kind of things sell you on on some someone and he's I think he's going to be tremendous. You know, Tony, in college, he not only was a 4.2 student.

He was a he was a tutor in biology class. Yes. Yeah. Those are the kind of things that you say that that clicks a guy up and notch in your book. And you know, you're going to keep an eye on someone like that. No question. Other end of the scale. I have my reservations.

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That's what we've got to see. But I think he's on track to be a very good quarterback. Is he going to be that special guy that's going to be that special guy, that's going to take you to a couple of championships. I think the jury's still out. Joe Burrow Bengals. He's got that charisma. He's got it.

And the moment is never too big for him. He's always going to play to his top level. I think he's a winner. He's going to be dynamic. So I said this. I've been a huge defender of Lamar Jackson. And one of the things I've said is, listen, he cares so deeply. He's not perfect.

Okay, Eli and Brady couldn't move. I'm not looking for perfect. But he's never distracted. His body has changed. He cares so much about winning and losing. And I wonder if you coached him. He's a playmaker. My argument is, okay, he's not a great up the sideline thrower, but nobody else can move like him.

Would you ever be uncomfortable with the times he runs or the hits he takes? he takes. How would you feel about Lamar Jackson? No, he's going to learn and he's so super competitive that he is running into traffic. He's taking hits that he doesn't have to take. And he'll learn not to do that. But I would love to coach Lamar Jackson to have him be my quarterback. He gives the defense so much headaches. There's things you can't do against Lamar Jackson on defense. He may not have the super accuracy that I'm looking for, but his mobility more than makes up for that. So, yeah, I think he's going to be special.

I think he's going to win a Super Bowl before he's finished. How would you defend him? You have to keep him in the pocket. You've got to rush under control. You've got to make him throw the ball outside the numbers, and you've got to keep him from running right now. And it sounds easy, but it's not. When you say, because I agree, have him throw outside the numbers is his weak spot.

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So I always believe that you had to give in your era, you got to give a kid three years. But Tony, by the time I get a kid now, he may have 100,000 snaps by the time I get him in the NFL. And culturally, I feel like we shouldn't quite be as patient with Daniel Jones or quite as with the turnover issue. Do you ever think or had a moment in your career where there were cultural changes in the sport? and it did change the way you thought about players of the game. Oh, I think there definitely are cultural changes. When we were growing up, you played every sport. And you made, if you were a quarterback, you were the shortstop on the baseball team.

You're the point guard on the basketball team. You did a lot of things. Now these guys are so much into football. They're getting so much training. They are better than when they came to us. The social side of it, the social media is another thing. And I guess I would throw that into being a championship quarterback, too, understanding how you have to handle that.

It's part of our life now. And great quarterbacks are going to be involved in it, but can you handle it well? And can you know where to draw the line? Now, that's something that quarterbacks have to learn and players have to learn. I talk to coaches now who are still in it, and they say that is the biggest difference totally between when you were coaching and now we have to coach people on how to build their brand

and how to be a good teammate in the midst of all that. So there are some cultural differences, no question about it. Would you be, would you struggle with it or do you think you'd manage it well? I think you adapt, you adjust. There are things that come up that you didn't have to deal with 20 years ago and everything's different. Pete Carroll has adjusted over the course of the time. Bill Belichick is adjusted.

So I think I would too, but it's different. Tony, it's great talking to you. When you watch film today, you know, I say this to people all the time is it's the game is fascinating to me now, Tony. It's so much about space. But you can still win as a defensive coach, Belichick and Pete Carroll. but I do feel like the league wants scoring. Are you ever concerned that we've reached the tipping point where it is such a quarterback league and such an offense league

that increasingly there's kind of one way to win? It is an offensive league. Yes, the game is different. But Rodney Harrison and I sit up and we watch 12 games every Sunday at NBC and 90% of the games are lost. rather than one. So I think it's still a matter of coaching your team, how not to lose games,

how not to beat yourself, how to be the best that you can be weekend and week out, not make major mistakes, time management, game management, situational football. That still wins and loses in the NFL, even with the great quarterbacks, even with the high scoring,

it comes down to situational football. You ever miss coaching? I miss it from 1 o'clock to, four o'clock. I'll miss it the rest of the week. It's great seeing you, Tony. Thank you so much for joining us. Great to talk to you, Colin. Thanks, Tony. Only four people ever have won a Super Bowl as a player and a coach, and Tony Dungee is one of them. Great dude. At the volume sports, follow us on Instagram, rate review, subscribe, YouTube channel as well. Talk soon. From classic roses and bouquets to decadent chocolate-covered berries, gourmet treats, and more.

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