The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Von Miller on Facing Lamar and Mahomes, Surtain Praise, 'No Fly Zone' Stories

Episode Date: September 30, 2021

Super Bowl MVP and 8-time Pro Bowler Von Miller and Colin discuss his impressive comeback from his season-ending injury last year (8:00), what sets Vic Fangio apart from other defensive coaches (10:00), the quality that matters most in the NFL (12:00), the ultimate compliment for Broncos rookie Patrick Surtain II (13:00), why Teddy Bridgewater has succeeded so quickly in Denver (15:00), which teams play more aggressively than others (18:00), why preparing to face Lamar Jackson is different than with other QBs (23:00), the best historic QB comps for Lamar (25:00), what he noticed when he faced Patrick Mahomes for the first time (27:00), why Brady has been able to maintain his dominance (29:00), how he's dealing with the vaccine issue after contracting COVID himself (33:00), his surprising best friend on the Broncos (36:00), how the 2015 "No Fly Zone" Broncos built their legendary defense (38:00), why they knew they were going to crush Cam Newton's Panthers in the Super Bowl (41:00), how he used Kobe and Michael Jordan to find the motivation to come back from injury (45:00), what makes Aaron Donald such a freak of nature (49:00), the toughest offensive lineman he's ever faced and why he's shocked that this player is no longer with his team (51:00).Make sure you follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates and check out FanDuel for the best wagering and daily fantasy action! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The talk inevitably is about Belichick and Brady colliding in Foxborough on Sunday, night, Buck's Patriots matchup. Because we all love drama, we love tabloid headlines. And this story has generated lots of them. Belichick treated Brady like a child. The feud ruined a dynasty. None of course are true. But I think for the sake of drama, many people are ignoring the basic human element

at the heart of this story. There was a study I saw about a year ago. It was conducted by the co-author of Freakonomics, Stephen Levitt. He's an economist at the University of Chicago. And he asked about 20,000 people to make a decision in their life on a dilemma they were currently facing. And the decision had to be made solely based on the results of a coin toss. And the dilemma was, should I start my own business? Should I propose?

Should I grow a beard? And if the coin landed on heads, then they had to make the subsequent change. tails, and they didn't. So what were the results? When the researchers followed up six months later, they found that for the important decisions like quitting a job or ending a relationship, Brady, people who were told to make a change were more satisfied and happier and productive than those who maintained the status quo. And I think that's important to note with Brady.

It's very easy to just say, well, he inherited better players. But he isn't just revitalized because he left Belichick. It's because he made a massive change in his life that had far-reaching benefits in his approach to everything. And I say this because I've done it three times myself. And there is a productivity jump and an inertia and an energy and spark that is created from the fear of a new job, from the apprehension, the anxiety of a new environment and a new job. I've done this three times. I am a better broadcaster today than five years ago.

Why? Because there's a certain energy that is created by changing environments, changing coasts, changing people. Not every single element of my current job is better than my former job. But what happens when you push yourself into a new space is the enemy of great is content. And most people listening to this podcast, men or women, are underachieving at some point in your life. And you're underachieving, not because you don't have talent, is because you're content. You're not creating new energy. It's not just that he got Mike Evans.

I would argue that his leadership improved. That his productivity personally improved. Emotionally, he's in a better place. He went from dour, cold, freezing weather to sunshine. new assistance, new playbook, had to learn them very quickly. All these things, it's like battery cables to your life. And I can speak to this because I've seen it happen to me three different times. All of them post 40, 45 years old.

If Brady stays in New England, it's not just about the lack of wide receiver weapons. Same playbook, same people, same weather, same drive. No freshness. no newness. And I think a lot of this has revitalized, jumpstarted, sort of an energy within Tom. And I know this sounds very Zen and very Phil Jackson. But anybody listening to this show that has started a new challenging job, it really enhances your abilities, all of them, emotionally and physically. And I think what happens to a lot of people is you get content.

Same drive, same people, same playbook, same coaching. You're a chef, same menu, same restaurant. And then you decide, I'm going to open up a new restaurant. And a year later, you're like, oh, I was so stale. It's not the restaurant was bad. That's not it. But some of this with Brady, he's happier, he's more joyful, he's more challenged. Day to day, his productivity beyond just football, I bet if you ask Tom, has improved.

He's one of the greatest football players in the last decade in the league, and 11 years an eight-time Pro Bowl, a Super Bowl MVP from the defensive side, a single season and career sack leader for the Broncos, which by the way, if you're in your 50s like me, you remember the Orange Crush defenses. So that's saying something. Von Miller is now joining us today.

So let's start with this. You know, as a talk show host, I can get a cold and miss a couple shows. When you're a great football player and you have, let's say, the ankle injury you had, and you can't play for a season. Was there ever a moment? you're thinking, damn, I'm not going to be the same player.

Like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Like, I never get that experience in my life, that kind of like fear. Like, were you sitting there in rehab thinking, what if I don't have the juice? What if I don't have the edge? No, I knew my injury was serious, but my doctors, they reassured me that, you know, my injury once it's healed that it'd be good to go. So it wasn't like an Achilles or, you know, anything like that. I was going to be able to come back and play the same football.

Right. I was able to play before. When you look, when Vic Fangio comes, and I was talking to Kareem Jackson about this, that he said Vic's the best defensive coach he's ever had. Like Vic is constantly giving him new things. Listen, from high school to college to the pros, you've had multiple defensive guys. So we talk a lot about offensive guys. Tell me, what does Vic Fangio do, Vaughn, that even a casual football fan would understand? He's very, very detailed.

Usually once you have defensive coaches, you know, you say we're going to rush, we're going to cover, and then we're just going to figure it out as we go. You know, that's not the case with Coach Vick. Coach Vick is so detailed on every single play, whether there's the D-line, linebackers, safeties. He always feels like he could put his guys in a better situation to play football, and that's what makes Coach Vangio great. Is it complicated?

Is it a pretty simple defense? Is it always being tweaked? evolving. You know, he always says, you know, you've got to be tough to play football, but you also got to be smart to play football. And it's constant corrections. It's always things that we can do better. It's always things that we can approach in a different way. And that's what makes Coach, you know, Fanzio different. You know, you have to be smart to playing Coach Fangio's defense 100%. Jimmy Johnson told me, the great Jimmy Johnson, I asked him one time, what would you tell a young coach? Give me one piece of advice. You would tell a young football

coach because Jimmy was very good at the draft. Jimmy Johnson essentially was the first coach. People who didn't used to, believe it or not, Vaughn, there weren't trades in the NFL. The New York Giants had made one trade as an organization before Jimmy Johnson came to the Cowboys and traded seven guys for Herschel Walker. It's crazy. And so Jimmy is kind of the master opening the door to trades, which is great for athletes, obviously.

You can get out of a crappy spot, go to a better spot. But he always said, he goes, I would tell him intelligence. is the most important thing. I can be brilliant. If you can't figure out what I'm telling you, it doesn't matter. Have you, you don't even have to name names.

Have you played with guys that you think their talent's remarkable, but they just, they just don't adhere to coaching. You know, it's always guys that struggle with learning, but I think guys struggle more with, I think they struggle more with the mistakes.

Everybody's going to make mistakes, but if you constantly make the same mistake over and over and over, you know, that they get you out to leave. So it puts you on another team so fast. So everybody that's in the national football league is talented. You know, I tell the young guys all the time, you know, we're going to make mistakes.

You just can't make that mistake over and over and over and over again. If you're able to make a mistake once and then move on to the next thing, you'll be a great football player in the national football. Yeah. I mean, also, if you make a mistake, don't let it burn you on the next play. You have to have a very short memory. Like, have you ever literally got burned on a blitz and you just can't, you got to get past it really quickly? Yeah, I mean, for me, it's easy. You know, I got all game to get to the quarter.

I tell the offensive linemen all the time, you know, they have a really, really hard position. You know, you garden guys that can go left, right, they can bull you, they can run games. And, you know, you got to be solid all game long, you know, and all we got to do is get there one time. You know, we get there in the fourth quarter, you get a sack force fumble and recover the ball for the game. You know, we're the heroes. We could be getting blocked, you know, the whole game before. But, you know, it's just that one play. And I mean, that's what makes our opposition great.

You know, we just got to keep coming. You got to have a relentless attitude. You know, we're going to make mistakes. It's constantly things that you're trying in the football game. You're constantly trying to find a way to get to the quarterback. And when you get there, you got to get there hard and get the ball. You know, I said all offseason. I said Denver is a great roster.

They need to upgrade it corner. And they got to stop making mistakes at quarterback. So when I made my prediction, I'm like, I know their talent's good, but I don't know if Patrick Surton's ready to play. Teddy Bridgewater is new. So Bridgewater has done what he's done his whole career. Figures it out quickly. A lot of completions, no mistakes.

But let's start on the defensive side with the rookie from Alabama. How many practices, Vaughn, are you watching that young corner? How many does it take for you to go, oh, shit, he gets it. This kid can play. Since day one, since day one. He's the most polished rookie that I've ever seen. Wow. He's the most polished rookie that I've ever.

And this is on my team, other teams. This could be any rookie that I've ever seen in national football league. Patrick Surtan is the most polished DB that I've ever seen. Like rookie DB that I've ever seen. It's just a little bit more experiencing. He's going to be the top corner in the league in a matter of time. He's going to get paid $25 million. He's going to be the next franchise corner.

Patrick Sartan. He really has it all. He can run fast. You know, he's tall. He's ranging. You know, you can guard a slot receiver. You can guard your big possession receiver. When the ball is in the air, he turns into a receiver.

It's anybody's ball. You know, and these receivers, you know, they don't really fight for the ball like DB. He's doing. Patrick Stratan, six, two and a half, you know, 200 pounds. And he can run, you know, four or three. He has all the footwork. He has all the smarts. He is the most polished rookie that I've ever seen in my life.

Wow. That's incredible. Speaking of Teddy, as somebody told me this years ago that somebody I trust is a source, he said, Teddy's a sponge. He'll figure the playbook out quickly. He's understated. He's not flashy. Guys will respect him.

He's not trying to be something he's not. So when Drew and Teddy are going through the reps, was there a moment for you, Vaughn, that you just kind of felt like, you know, this is a better fit? This is going to be the right guy. I mean, Drew could easily, I mean, I felt like we'll be 3 in 0 with Drew as well. You know, Drew was ready to go. Drew was ready to play. You know, Drew's made strides, these huge strides since the type of player that he was last year.

And he didn't do too bad last year. So Drew was ready to go. I feel like we'd still be undefeated with Drew, you know, the Teddy, he's a veteran. And that, you know, I've played with Peyton Manning and, you know, I played with other quarterbacks that, you know, I've been a leader on the defense, you know, for, you know, since Peyton left. But the leadership for the team has to come from the quarterback position. You know, it just has to be. It has to be the guy on offense, calling the plays, you know, getting all the guys together, you know, holding the reins.

It has to come. In football, it has to come from the quarterback position. You know, in basketball, you can have a senator. You can have a point guard. You know, they're all different shapes and different sizes. But in football, it has to come from the quarterback. The quarterback is one of the most cerebral positions in all of sports. you know, and he leaves the guys, he calls the plays, he touches the ball on every single

play. It has to come from the quarterback, and Teddy's done a masterful job of that. You know, we play three teams that, you know, they're, you know, they haven't been winning a lot, you know, but I feel like the way we beat them is the way that good teams should play teams like that. And we got a real test. We got a real test coming this week. We've got a playoff team, you know, coming up this week. We're playing a playoff game in September. You know, that's been the vibe around here. You know, the Baltimore Ravens, they're hot. They just beat the Chiefs.

You know, Justin Tucker just, you know, nail one, you know, to end the game in Detroit. You know, those guys are on cloud nine right now. We're going to have a tough, you know, time with these guys. And we've got to play them. To get where we're going, we've got to go through the Baltimore Raven. Their reputation, they're a physical football team. And, you know, it's funny, Vaughn, everybody in the league is somewhat physical. but like the 49ers reputation, the Steelers defensive reputation.

The Ravens have a reputation as a more physical franchise. And again, you watch football and everybody's tough. But can you sense it when you play? Are there teams in this league? And I don't know exactly what it is. But it's almost like the culture. And I don't know if the word's violent, but the culture is more daring. I mean, can you sense it?

Yeah, I mean, you got some teams, you know, the Raiders have, you know, a history of being, you know, a physical team as well. You know, I think they're, I think they're kind of, you know, transitioning from that to transition into more of an offensive team. But they had a, they had a more offensive, you know, tradition as well, too. You know, they had guys to go out there score a lot of points and, you know, do all the things with the Raiders as well. But, you know, like you said, the, you know, all of these teams are physical. You know, all of these teams have, you know, big time players on every single team. You know, the Ravens, of course, they have a history of, you know, being. and a physical team that had Ray Lewis and, you know, Ed Reed and, you know,

all these other guys are on their defense. So they're going to adopt that mentality. But I think every single week, you know, you got guys on each and every team that's scratching and clawing to stay on the team. You got you got guys that scratching the claw and to provide for their families. That could be the Baltimore Ravens or the Miami Dolphins. You have tough, you have tough guys on every single team. And, you know, just like the movie, it's any given Sunday, the guy that wakes up,

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Yeah, it's definitely different. I would be lying if I said it was different. In Lamar Jackson, he's just a unique, he's just a unique player. You know, he can run the ball, and throw the ball, he runs four, three, any space that he gets, he can take it the distance. And I'm talking 50 yards plus on every single play. You know, he has a strong roster of guys around him. Andrews is one of the better tight ends in the league. If he's not number three, he's number two.

If he's not number two, he's number one. He's up there with those guys. And they got Hollywood Brown and Sammy Watkins and Sammy Watkins. There's all these other guys that can create separation in the secondary. You know, the offensive line is stable, too. You know, Ziegler and, you know, Stanley. These guys are household names and the offensive line. So they have a really, really strong football team that's laid by Lamar Jackson.

If you're not, you know, fundamentally sound, you know, these guys will tear you up. We watch the film and it's a highlight tape every time we turn in the film. It's like we're watching a Lamar Jackson highlight tape. So it's not very encouraging when you watch what he does to multiple people. We just have to trust our game plan and stay solid in our game plan and play to our strengths. You know, I'll rush the passer. I can't be 10 yards up the field. I create lanes, you know, for Lamar Jackson.

It's little things like that that you have to, you know, really stay on point. And even when you do that, that still might not be enough. You just got to get in the game and you got to play solid football. You got to stay on our corrections. And, you know, we're going to get some Lamar Jackson. There is not another player in the whole world that plays football like Lamar. Jackson. So we got to stand up here. We got to stand up these and cues and we got to go out and play football. Have you ever faced who would be the second most mobile quarterback? I mean, and even your high

school or college career, was there another guy that you're like that you could even compare to Lamar Jackson? I think Robert Griffin in his heyday, RG3, RG3 was, you know, his first and second year in the national football league, he was crazy, you know, and RG3 and Lamar Jackson, they're miles apart. RG3, he was fast. He was able to create separation. He was able to throw the ball pretty well. He had a great group of guys around him and throw the ball too. But, yeah, but other than that, no, not really.

Russell Wilson, there's a really good job of taking the ball, pushing the ball down field. He's not as fast as, you know, Lamar Jackson. He can probably throw the ball. Nobody really throws the ball like, you know, Russell Wilson. He can throw the ball a little bit better. But when it comes to scrambling and running and getting away from guys, nobody does it like Lamar Jackson.

He's a unique player. I never played Michael Vick in his prong, but he reminds me of a type of player 100%. Those are the only two guys that have ever touched this league that have that type of that ability. They're probably the only two players that could outrun you if it got to an angle. Yeah, I mean, I got to really play my angles. Guys, you can see on film, even though guys have angles, he still is able to get away from guys. and he's spinning around DBs, and he's pulling away from DBs and all that stuff.

So we got to corral this guy. I know it's cliche, but that's just how you got to play football. International football. You got to depend on all the other 10 guys to get this guy down. You got to kind of gang tackle, you know, and it's played with your help 100%. You know, as we go, you know,

the Brady New England game Sunday is obviously a huge game. Everybody's talking about it. I feel bad for Mack Jones. It's like Tom's got a 22-year head start. It's a little unfair. You have faced, virtually everybody. You've played with Peyton Manning.

You've faced Tom Brady. Now you have this gifted kid in your division, Patrick Rahms. Oh, wait. You have another gifted kid, Justin Herbert. Von, go back in your career. Take people listening. How long, I mean, could you tell instantly with the really great young players you face, like a Mahomes?

Could you tell instantly, oh, yeah, that's going to work. or can you sense fear instantly and go, you know, this kid, he doesn't like the pocket. He doesn't like footsteps. Can you tell right away? Yeah, 100%. You can tell right away. You know, Patrick Mulhams, he was just fearless.

You know, he just got it. He was confident. You know, he faced other rookie quarterbacks. You know, they're struggling with the reeds. They're, you know, scrambling out the pocket. You know, struggling trying to push the ball, push the ball downfield. And I think we watch it week in and week out, you know,

when you have young guys, you know, struggle. When I really think about it, young guys with success. Patrick Mahomes is really, there's not been a young guy that had that type of success like Patrick Mahomes. Andrew Luck had, you know, he had a ton of success early on in his career as well. And I think he developed into the quarterback that, you know,

everybody knew he could be like later down in his career. But right off the bat, like nobody's like Patrick Mahomes. You know, Lamar Jackson right after bat, he was, he was athletic. He did when he did wonderful things. But true quarterback, like, nobody nobody's done it like you know patched Mahomes right after that and my 11th year career you know this is my opinion you know um Lamar jackson he does a lot of things well you know he he can throw the ball he can run the ball create separation he's he's a he's a

once in a lifetime player you know just like Patrick Mahomes but they're two totally different players it's kind of you know it's it's kind of you know you can't compare Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson they're just two elite players right it's kind of like you know before you can compare like Peyton and Tom. I'm Brady, you know. They're just two traditional quarterbacks, but Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson, he just had success in so many different ways. And Patrick Mahomes, he's done it. He's played a true quarterback position. He's done it in so many different ways. Throwing the ball, left-handed, scramming out of the pocket. Super big arm with Tyreek Hill can

just run 80 yards underneath it. Like, you know, those two guys are two special players. And, you know, I've played against Patrick Mulhoms. It's this is my first time against Lamar Jackson. So I'm looking forward to it. And it'd be a good one. Did you if you didn't know the story of Brady, you just were Vaughn Miller and here's a quarterback. And you didn't know his history.

Did Brady do something special? Maybe it's pre-snap. Did you sense when you played Brady? Oh. I mean, because to be the greatest ever, it's one thing to be great. It's another to be literally have a trophy room in your house.

Like, what is it about Tom that when you face, it does feel different, Vaughn? It does. He just has such a, he just has such a handle on what's going on, you know, and what's about to happen. It's kind of like, you know, he can, he can predict what's about to happen from the quarterback acquisition. He can kind of predict where why receivers are going and what coverage is about to happen, you And, you know, once you really learn Tom Brady, he put so much work in.

He has so much preparation. You know, even in the offseason, the roster that he builds around him, you know, he gets players that fit his type of, his style. He's been able to play with Gron County for forever. That connection will always be here. He's got Mike Evans now. He's got Antonio Brown and all these other guys. And, you know, throughout my career, you know, I've been able to, you know, play against

Tom Brady, but I've been able to get to know him off the field as well. and there's really no reason to not like Tom Brady other than he wins football games. You know, he does everything right. He's such a role model. He's such a great guy. You know, like I said, I've got to spend time with him off the field. And it's really not a reason to not like Tom Brady

other than he's winning championships. That's not a good reason not to like somebody because they're winning. But Tom Brady, he does everything absolutely right. What about all the pliability stuff, like Alex Guerrero? Do you do some of that? Do you buy into it? Do you, I mean, because if you talk to Tom, I'm sure you guys talk about your bodies and kind of the physical ability to keep playing.

You know, I mean, you know, as long as that long as his arm is pliable, as long as he has a snap on his arm, you know, Tom can, you know, he's not a scrambling quarterback. I mean, he's not a scrambling quarterback. But we've all saw he can't move around and shift around the court. You know, 10 years, it's all you need it. You know, if he stays healthy, you know, who knows how long he can play, you know, he's only got to move five yards in the pocket, left or right or forward and back. It's not like he's running 40 yards down the field.

It's not like he's Lamar Jackson or, you know, Patrick Mahomes or any of these guys. He's going to throw his receivers open. He's going to throw the ball. He's a pocket quarterback. He's one of the best, if not the best, you know, I play with Peyton Manning. So I got to always, you know, I got to always keep the sheriff right there. But, you know, if he's not number two, he's number one, and that's in the history of, you know, this game that we play.

And, you know, I talk to Tom, you know, he does some of the different things. Well, I feel like nutrition is one of the most important things when it comes to playing in the National Football League a long time. I think nutrition and rest really could go a long way for you. Of course, I got multiple body work guys, multiple, you know, gurus and multiple guys that I work. with that just comes with it, you know, but I think the nutrition is really the number one thing when it comes to playing a long time and really, you know, working on an anti-age. Because father time

is, father time is going to always win. But if you eat right and you get the right foods, you can kind of slow things down, you know, from a, from an age perspective. And, you know, you can heal faster. You can, you know, stay healthy longer. Injuries that, you know, might be, you know, a week or two weeks, I don't only be one or two days. If you have, if you truly on top of your nutrition. It's not just steak every single night or it's not just, you know, vegetarian or vegan. I think it's a time and place for all of these things that we have nutritionally. And once you figure it out, once you figure out your body type, I think we can really unlock,

you know, a couple more years. Well, yeah, and for you guys, a couple more years can be 40 million bucks. I mean, the reality is there's a financial motivation. If a guy didn't even love football but love what football provided for him, you could still make an argument. It's just smart. You know, you had COVID early on. And obviously you've overcome it.

90% of NBA players, 90% of football players have gotten vaccinated. The media mostly talks about, you know, the small percentage that hasn't. And I do wonder, I always feel like it, my company is taken care of it. I don't have to go to an employee and say, dude, you need to get vaccinated because my company is taking care of it. The NFL does not have a mandate. It just makes it really tough if you don't get vaccinated. Because you had COVID, is there part of you that? that thinks, hey, I'm going to tell these young guys who are on the fence about it.

Because you're a leader. You're a voice in the locker room that resonates. You're a Hall of Fame level player. Do you ever feel like, is it your place? Is it not your place? Where do you land with COVID if a kid comes up? He's a second, third year player, and he's just not comfortable with it. You know, I don't want to force anybody to do anything that they don't want to do.

You know, I just, you know, I could just echo, you know, some of the things that, you know, are graded, but some of the things that you don't have to worry about, you know, with these vaccines. And, you know, I can always agree with people that, that they don't want to get, you know, vaccinated. It's, you know, it's a science behind, you know, why you shouldn't get vaccinated, why you shouldn't get vaccinated, whichever signs you pick. You know, for me, you know, I just had a young sign. You know, I'm here with these guys every single day. You know, I still wanted the freedom to be able to go in and out and, you know, really live my life. And, like you said, the NFL, they make it extremely tough if, if you're not vaccinated.

Really, the whole world, you know, makes it extremely tough if you're not. I'm just, you know, football is already tough enough. Football is already hard enough to do without all these things outside of football. And, you know, if you're, you know, not vaccinated and, you know, you have to worry about, you know, this and these restrictions are sitting over here and flying on this part of the plane or when you go to a hotel, you can't leave or you can't see your family. It really just adds to your ability to play football. Some people are able to, you know, handle all of that stuff. Some people are. You know, for me, I want to do.

I wanted to make everything as easy as possible for me to be able to play football. I wanted things to be as easy as possible for me to be around my son as well. So I had, you know, I had a lot of, you know, factors around it that really, you know, influenced me to go do it. But, you know, I understand, you know, guys on both sides of it. You know, it's a new thing, you know, I understand everybody's position on all this stuff is just for me personally, you know, that was a decision I made. You know, it's interesting.

In basketball, chemistry is really important, Vaughn, because there's 13 guys, about seven to eight play. All your meetings are together, all the practices together. Football's different, man, at halftime, sometimes offensive guys go to the left door, defensive guys go to the right door. Special teams guys in practice are in another part of the field. So in basketball, it's understood, like chemistry is really... important. If you have one bad dude in the locker room, it can blow the team up. Football is different. In your career, does chemistry matter that much? Or can you have clicks in football? I mean, I've always been a team guy. You know, I've always been the guy that, I mean, my best friend on a team is Brandon McManus. He's a kicker.

You know, it's not like, it's not like, you know, it usually wouldn't happen like that. But for me, you know, I just, I love. I love the element of team, especially in national football league. I kick it with the free agents. I mean, I kick it with the undrafted guys. I kick it with the long snapper. I kick it with Cortland Sutton and Teddy Bridgewater and all the big time guys on the team. And I kick it with the guys that just came as well.

So for me, I really enjoy the team element of football. So I have, of course, it's clicks in the locker room. Of course, there's little groups and little locker room sessions. But for me, I gravitate around and I feel like I'm like the glue that brings everybody together. And I feel like if I play like a different position, it probably wouldn't be like that. If I wasn't, you know, the von that I am, it probably would be different. It would probably be tough for like Cortland or anybody else to have that same type of relationship with everybody in the team. But for me, this is what I've been doing since Little League football.

It's who I was in Texas and them. And it's who I've been my 11 years in national football league. Usually you don't have the lineback. franchise linebacker and the kicker being best friends. I'm his, he's my son's godfather and I'm his, his twins godfather as well. So it's just one of those things that really highlights the type of, you know, person.

I am, I'm such a social guy, especially, you know, in the locker room. We get to do things and we get to talk about stuff and we get to hang out. And we get to do things that people would never ever see, like people would never have these type of relationships that we have in the locker room. I don't care if you, I don't care of you on a basketball team, soccer team. Like football is just different. You know, it's funny, Akib Talib is a friend of mine. And Akim, I asked him one time because he loved playing in Denver, no fly zone.

And he said he was a social guy. And he talked about how social the Denver, the no fly zone. That was the word he used like you. He's like, we were just, we were just a social team. And it's, and it's, and I, Akib's like, he's like you. He's a talker. He's just verbal. He just wants to talk to dudes.

Now, you guys could be totally different. But it is funny. You have to, when a defense has a nickname, you know it's damn good because there's not many nicknames on defense. When you were part of the no-fly zone, do you remember thinking? Because this defense has a chance to be really special now that you have Fuller and Patrick Certanick Corner. When you were on the field. Did you feel like, Vaughn, that's one of the top five defenses maybe ever, that you control the game. The defense control the game.

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everybody and had everybody on the same page. But back to that defense, Akeep D'Lean was definitely the confidence of that team. Really? You know, he was definitely, he was definitely the confidence of that team. He would say whatever in the media, say whatever out in public.

And we were like, the guys like, yeah, Akeed Deleet said it. We don't go out there and do it. I remember playing, I remember two weeks before the Super Bowl. And Akeep, it was our first time watching the film when the Carolina Panthers. And Akeet was like, yeah, we got this.

So we're going to lock down. We're going to lock down the receivers. They ain't got nothing for us. They're going to lock down their receivers. And it just started one day and it just created this confidence like, yeah, they undefeated, but Akeef said that they're going to lock down the corners, and all we got to do is rush. And if all I had to do is rush, and I feel pretty good in my chances to rush.

Like the key to lead was saying in the public, in the locker room, whatever. We're going to lock down their receivers. That was a huge element of the game that was already taken out of the game. You know, we had Chris Harris and Keith to lead. We had Bradley Robben. He was a young guy. He was a strap artist as well. And we had all of these guys.

And, you know, the confidence really came from the key. I think the enforcers were, you know, T.J. Ward and Dorian Stewart. Yeah, TJ was a big hitter. We had Demarcus Ware, you know, one of the best passersers that ever played us in national football league. And I was, I was his robbing. You know, he was Batman. I was robbing whatever, you know, game, whatever stuff we were watching on family. He would tell me to do it.

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long as Brady, but was there a moment when you realized how much do you miss football? Yeah, 100%. And, you know, I started, I worked with, you know, Trevor Mowat, like before. Yeah. Rest and peace, rest and peace, Trevor. I work with Trevor at the beginning of 2000. And in the beginning of 2020, and we always talk about mindset, is everything. And he used to send me videos online.

Success leaves clues is one of the things that he would always say. Yeah. I would watch all these videos on people that had success after injuries. I had watched a, I had told my ACL 2 in 2013, so I was familiar with Agent Peters says, recovery after his ACL. He went for 2,000 yards after, but I had a whole video on what Agent Peterson did, his mindset.

And for me, I had trained so hard going into, you know, I mean, it was just a perfect storm of things for me. I was working with Trell, you know, I was working on the mental performance aspect of it. COVID hit, you know, I got COVID. I overcame COVID. I didn't have anything else to do, but work out and train. I worked out in the train and got myself in the best physical shape that I could possibly be in.

I think mental shape is where I was in the best mental space that I could possibly be in. So whenever I tore my vernacular on my ankle, it was kind of, it was depressing at first. But right after that, I think, you know, Kobe had died earlier in that year. You know, Michael Jordan had his Save the Lance Dance, you know, documentary as well. And I just had this, this mosh pit of things that, like, motivated me to keep going. You know, if it was any other year, if it was any other circumstance, maybe it's like, all right, you know, I don't play 10 years.

You know, this might be, you know, this might be it for me. But I just, I just felt like I wasn't content. You know, I felt like it was so much more for me to prove. I played all the way through the training camp, and I was so pleased with my performance in training camp, with my body and, you know, where I was at. And whenever I, whenever I had my ankle injury, it just, like, I never thought about, like,

giving up. It was like, okay, this is going to take me out for this period of time. What am I going to do after this? You know, what would Kobe do? What would Michael Jordan do? You know, what type of mindset do you have? Like, you know, I had the Denver Broncos, they believed in me. They picked them their option in my contract. They didn't have to do that. You know, I was coming off an injury, you know, had so many other things going on. George Payton could have just, you know, just said, oh, you know, Vonys played 10 years here. He was a great Bronco. But, you know, he didn't have anything else to go off of, but, you know, my training camp field. And, you know, he watched that. He believed in me. He brought me back.

He felt like I could be, you know, an even better player than I was. Coach Fangio, you know, he believed in me as well. And, you know, all these guys believed in me. I had all these things motivating me and whenever I got a chance to get back on the football field, you know, I wasn't going to let those people down. I wasn't going to let myself down, most importantly. And, you know, here we are. By the way, before we go, is that MJ documentary, it was really inspiring to me for

different reasons. I was telling my wife this. He was the best looking player, the best player, the most clutch player, the most glamorous player, the most talented player. And it was so hard. He was in battles. He was with his own teammates. And I told my wife, like, success is hard. Like Michael Jordan. He had the, you know, I mean, the best shoes, the best look, the best game, the mess. And it was still hard. He was battling his GM. He was battling Rodman. He was battling and Pipp and he was like man. He was playing 32 holes on a dead playoff game.

So he was doing everything for show. It is crazy. There's some guys, Vaughn, you're probably one of these guys physically. There are guys that have a DNA. They're just relentless. Like I watch Aaron Donald and he's the only defensive lineman I've ever seen.

He doesn't take a play off. Like a lot of times those guys are carrying 325 pounds. They'll take plays off. Like I watch Aaron Donald. You got this component. it. Randy Moss had some of this. You're like, that dude is different, right? See, Aaron Donald, Aaron Donald are really not like a D tackle. He's really like, he's really like an oversized running back. He's athletic enough. He's really like

an oversized running back. And he's super strong. And when you put his athletic ability and his strength and his leverage that he has, because one of his knocks when he's coming out, he was even small. But that, as Tom came over, it plays into the type of game that he plays. He has so much leverage. He has so much speed. He has so much explosive, you know, ability. And he's really like a running back in there with playing against these guards and these centers. So it's unfair.

Well, one time, Ray Lewis told me that Willie Roof of Kansas City, he was like, Colin, you can't even, it's country strong. Like, I couldn't even. And Ray Lewis is one of the great players. Has there ever been one offensive linemen that, Vaughn, you're just like, okay, that's genetics. Like, I can't, I can't move him. You know, the office alone that I go, you, so all the big time offensive alumni, like, you know, Tyron Smith, the Lane Johnson, the, you know, the Williams, you know, it's, you know, going against those guys, you, you're preparing for these guys all year, you know, for me,

I think the toughest challenge for me was Mitchell Schwartz, and you wouldn't expect it. Really? You wouldn't, you wouldn't expect it. And I think Mitchell Swartz having a quarterback like Patrick Mahomes that can really play to, you know, Mitchell's angles, you know, I had the toughest time with Mitchell Swartz. You know, I'm really surprised that he's not on a team right now because I always had the toughest time with Mitchell Sports. I think he's the one officer's alarm in that only, he only gave me one like sack. Wow. He, he would always, it would always be so tough to play Mitchell Sports and then the

Kansas City Chiefs with Patrick Mahones and everybody else. Was it the hands? Was it hands? Was it leverage? I don't know what it was. He was a smaller, he was a smaller office. He was a smaller office. He was a smaller office alone, but he just, I don't know, I just, maybe I was in my own here. I always had such, I always had the toughest time with Mitchell Swartz. And I would see other guys have success versus Mitchell Schwartz. But whenever I went against him, it would be the weirdest thing for me. Like any move that I would try, he would be sitting on it. And anything, any good rush that I would have, Patrick Mahomes would, you know, he would trump that and, you know,

scramble or, you know, throw the ball away. But playing against Mitchell Swartz and the Kansas City Chiefs was always a tough, you know, time for me. I don't know what it was. And it's shocking to me that Mitchell Swartz is not on the team right now because I know he still has a good football level. Vaughn, we took some time. We appreciate it. You were great kick butt this weekend against the Ravens. And thanks for coming on.

Thanks, God. I appreciate you. All right, man. We appreciate you. Vaughn Miller, going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer. Truly one of the great football players last 20 years in the NFL. Glad he's healthy. and back. Glad the Broncos are undefeated. Good story. At the Volume Sports, follow us on Twitter,

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