The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd’s Instant Reaction -  Nuggets/Heat Game 3

Episode Date: June 8, 2023

Colin and Hoops Tonight host Jason Timpf give their instant reaction to the Nuggets retaking control of the series (2-1) with a road sandblasting of the Heat behind a dominant Nikola Jokic performance, if the Heat can claw their way back, and foreign born players taking over the league.  Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates! #Herd #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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First of all, the emergence of the physicality of foreign-born players like Yokic. He is such a complete package offensively. There's almost nothing like him in the league over the last decade. He doesn't really have off nights because he does so many things well. 30, 20, and 10. I've said before, I think Denver's the better team. I don't think Denver has to do anything to win. can just kind of play their game and win. I think Miami has to play with great urgency and energy

and shoot well to win. I mean, Denver's played poorly once in their last eight or nine games, and they lost. And even though they lost at home, they were leading by, what was it, eight points going into the fourth. So I thought you saw Denver not only steal home court advantage back, but what you're seeing with Denver is a lot of the things they do, they do consistently well. and a lot of their advantages are physical in terms of size and length. And Miami's got to play a certain way to win in this series, and they didn't do it tonight. And they're wearing down Jimmy Butler.

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Now, when you combine their length with their effort, it's just, those are staggering numbers. It's that Denver's really long. Remember, Lakers got a little bit of a break. Stephen Adams, Brandon Clark, were out against Memphis, smaller team. Warriors up next.

Kept Looney off and off the floor, smaller team. How small, how big the Lakers looked in the first two series and how small they looked against Denver. Denver Yokic is not only is Yokic big, but he plays long because he shoots the ball above his head. So his game is very much shoulders up. And when he dribbles the ball, unlike a lot of big man, he turns on you. So he puts that big butt and that hip in you. So he gives you no shot to take it away. you like most bigs as you know you played college basketball coaches preach it don't put the ball on the

floor yokech does he never puts it on the floor usually within six feet if he does put it on the floor it's perimeter and he turns so when he gets that ball low it's all up top it's all up here it and it's just they don't have an answer for it so when you combine their length with their effort on the glass their effort and intensity this is why they were a number one seed like Like, it was almost tonight methodical. Like, if you watch altitude TV in Denver and you watch them, you know, 70 games a year, you saw this against bad teams where it's like they just control the interior. They play good enough defense.

It's a length mismatch. Yokic is overwhelming. That's what they were most of the year when we didn't watch. You know, when you play AD or when you play Bam out of Bayou or you play the best coaches, You know, the numbers all come down. But if you start looking at Yokic throughout the course of the season, this was very much a Denver game. Dominate in the paint, dominate in the borge,

Yokic great. Murray played reasonable defense. It felt methodical. It was just a methodical hammer away. You got the same point total almost every quarter. 26, 29, 29. It is really good teams make it look methodical. Like this is what we do.

When the Patriots were dominating, it was like, oh, that wasn't a special effort. They didn't fumble. Good on third down. You look up and they've got 32 points. They went 3220 and you're like, yeah, that was just what it was working like. Denver is a handful. The problem with sizes is there every single night. There's no version of this where they show up to the game and they're shorter in game four.

It's funny, I had a lot of Laker fans over the course of the season ask me like, hey, what makes this team different from the 2020 Lakers? and I'd say it's the totality of the size. It's not just Anthony Davis and LeBron James in the front line. It's also Dwight Howard, you know, it's not just Anthony Davis. And it's Alex Caruso, this big, strong 6-6 wing. It's Cantavius Cabo Pope. It's Kyle Kuzma.

They're huge down the roster in the predicament that that puts you in on both in store. Danny Green was another guy that was huge on that team. He was 6'0, 200-something pounds. Denver's got that type of size on the roster. It's not just the Nicoliochic problem. it's Aaron Gordon at 610. It's Michael Porter Jr. at 6.5. Christian Brown at 6'5. Christian Brown at 6'5, freaky athletic, just causing all sorts of problems in dribble penetration situations. He's incredibly difficult to screen. Even Jamal Murray is big compared to many of the smaller point guards that we have in this league.

And that just leans on you and it wears on you. I thought, you know, Miami played a really clean first two games in Denver. As a matter of fact, I think they only got out rebounded by an eight or nine total. in the first two games combined. It was like the Hoover Dam broke tonight. It was like all of a sudden, all of a sudden, all of a sudden, all of a sudden, all of that effort and focus and energy just broke under the unrelenting size that Denver presents. And the way you broke down, Yokic, I was literally watching that last night or tonight.

And I'm just going to, this is the way I'm going to pitch this to you, because I'm really curious to hear your opinion. If I told you that I thought Nikola Yokic was the most unstoppable offensive. player since Shaq. How would you respond to that? I'm not saying I'm saying that yet because I'm not sure. But how would you respond if I told you that? Well, tonight, 30, 20, 10.

So does rebounding count? Do assists count? Well, if they do, he is. He's, there's, so much of his game, you know, we talked about this. He doesn't have the power of Shaq. He doesn't have the singular shot of Kareem.

He's not as good a defender as Kareem. He's not as forceful as like Akeem or as quick. But the fact that he can take you outside, the passing is Walton. The shooting is kind of unheard of. He's shooting almost 50% from three, by the way, in the playoffs. His touch. He's just, you know, when, you know, they're different players,

but I said that at the other night, I remember when Larry Bird came in. to the league in Sports Illustrated. I read a story in Sports Illustrated about him. Jack McCollum, the great writer. And I went back about five or ten years ago, and I looked up the early Larry Bird stories in Sports Illustrated. And they were describing him, like Larry Bird, like,

we've never seen anything like this. Now, then LeBron comes in, and he's like Larry Bird, you know, doubled. Like he's faster, bigger, stronger, and can do stuff and handle the ball. like like yokich is a common a lot of this a lot of great players are unique yokic is a combination of a lot of different people and he takes the best of walton you know um the way he holds the ball over his head um his vision um his body is like luka it's blocky it's a lot of shoulders a lot of hips it's hard to get um you know, Charles Barkley was much smaller than people realized. He was like six, four and a half, but he was blocky.

He was thick. He got leverage on you. Like, who do you put on Yokage? Like, it's just a lot of problems. And I think, you know, I don't think there's not a real, there's not a real duplicate. Like, he just does multiple things really well. Like, Jimmy Butler is a terrific player. he felt small tonight.

He felt kind of irrelevant in the second half, like irrelevant. Yokic is never irrelevant because he has so many layers to what he does. You know, it's LeBron. Like I said, I could tell when LeBron was getting old because I would sometimes lose him on the floor. Is he in? In LeBron's prime, like 12 years, like you'd turn the game on. He was everything on ball, off ball, passing. Yokic is, it's just he doesn't really have what you would call off nights because he does so many things well.

If I had to break it down, I'd say it comes down to four things. His overwhelming size, two, he's a master of leverage. And those are those little spin moves and those chicken wings that you're talking about. It's like half of the battle with strength is your strength is irrelevant if you don't have your feet planted on the ground. right? Like if you, if you're off balance, it's a simple concept. If I had you stand with your feet next to each other and I pushed on your shoulder, you're going to be much more likely to fall over than if you're in an athletic stance and you're squatting a little bit, right? And Yokic uses his fakes to get you to lean one way or another. And then as soon as you lean that way, he's hitting

that way. And your momentum is carrying that way. And so now he's by you. And so the combination of the strength with the leverage. And then the third thing is like unbelievable, There's just nobody in the league that is more accurate within 10 feet of the rim with push shots and hook shots than Nicole Yokic. And then the fourth ultimate kind of piece that ties it all together is the same thing that kills Joel Embed and Anthony Davis every single year in the playoffs. And that's his playmaking. If you send multiple defenders, he's going to make the right play every single time. Those four things combined to me. I actually do think he's got a case.

There's a couple other names that come to mind. Steph Curry last year had that type of unstoppable offensive. playoff run. 2018, LeBron felt kind of inevitable. And a lot of, like, it literally felt like nobody could stop him from doing what he wanted to do. But, like, this is his first trip to the NBA finals. He's 28 years old.

And he's already putting himself into some elite company with what he's doing offensively. I thought he was much better defensively tonight, too, protecting the rim. I mean, struggle to finish around the rim a lot. As a team, they were, they were way better. There were a couple really smart adjustments I saw from Mike Malone, too. So we talked about in our last show, there were two things that Miami did to bother Denver's offense. It was get Jimmy Butler on Jamal Murray and guard the Murray-yokic two-man game two-on-two so that they didn't get open shots for KCP and Michael Porter Jr. on the weak side.

And then it was the zone defense. Well, they started running a lot of early screens in the offense to get Jimmy off of Jamal Murray before they ran their actions. That was a big part of how Jamal Murray got going. I thought that was really smart. They moved Yokic out. of the high post in the zone and actually put them down in the short corner. They were able to get some stuff there. And they were just started driving the zone too. In a zone defense, everyone's in charge of a space, but it's still one-on-one in your space. Like, it's still, if I'm dribbling on the left wing and there's a guy in the corner, a guy in the corner, like, I have a guy in front of me. So if I beat that guy, I'm going to engage a different defender,

which is going to generate an opening. And there were actually back-to-back layups that Denver got off of just Christian Brown, just ripping through and getting into the teeth of the zone and drawing multiple defenders. So I thought they had a lot of really smart adjustments. Do you, I do think Denver's better when they're at their best. But obviously, you predicted a split going into this two-game set in Miami. I still think game four is going to be a total toss-up. Have your, has your view on the series changed at all after tonight? No, I just, I kind of felt like it would be two-two heading to Denver and then Denver would win two straight. I think Miami has, a way to win, which is they've got to play with incredible urgency and they've got to hit threes.

Denver doesn't really have to do anything. I mean, even the game they lost, outside of the first four or five minutes, I thought they were the better team until about eight minutes to go in the fourth. I thought they outplayed them. I feel like Denver doesn't have to really do anything. Miami has to play a certain way, and they often do. But tonight's a great example where Denver matched their urgency, and it just didn't, it felt lopsided. I mean, Christian Brown's an interesting player, the Kansas rookie.

First of all, he plays like he hasn't played much. Like he's so really, he's got such great energy. You can tell you got such fresh legs. But I thought he bothered on a couple of possessions. He bothered Jimmy Butler. He matched Butler's energy. And he's a kid that doesn't take the pump faking. You know, Butler just lives, just constantly pump faking you.

and Christian Brown, like a well-coached Bill Self-Flayer, just didn't buy any of them. And he's quick and he's twitchy. And it's like, I wonder if it when, you know, the coaching staff, Malone looks at that. I wonder if they think, you know, he's a little bit of a fly in the ointment for Butler, where he's about the same size. He's really twitchy. You know, Butler's played a lot of minutes. This kid is, I mean, he is just like a kid, he's like a kid, eight-year-old on Canada.

He's going a thousand miles an hour. And he really stays centered. He doesn't buy into Butler's pump fakes. You can put him on Jimmy sporadically. And it's like, it's a little bit of a matchup. I mean, Jimmy's obviously a much better player. But when I watch them tonight, I'm like, oh, his energy is something. He's an interesting matchup.

And I think that goes back to something else I noticed. Jimmy plays with such intensity. It burns hot. and he he looked a little, you know, gassed. He looked a little, he looked tired. And, you know, you go to Denver, you go up in the mountains, you come back, and it just takes a lot. And he's playing big minutes.

So I think he'll come back, play better. And I think it'll be, to your point, I think it'll be very close. But Denver's rebounding and points in the paint edge, like it'll change a little, but it's not going away. It's kind of who they are. It's how they're constructed. Yep, I 100% agree. I do think Jimmy Butler has shown over the years, especially in the last couple of years. Like, he, I think Jimmy hits checkpoints in basketball games where he identifies if there's an opportunity for him to dig deeper into his reservoir. And you saw that, just in the last round, for instance, Jimmy in games five, six, or four, five and six was

a shell of himself. But then in game seven, he came out absolutely gangbusters from the jump, you know? Yes. And then last year in the Eastern Conference finals against the Celtics, he was amazing down the stretch of the series in game six and game seven, but he had two single digit nights. He had a six point game and an eight point game in the middle of that series. So Jimmy has a tendency to be like, oh, like, this isn't the one we're getting. He's, and he's a very high IQ player. And I think he kind of read the writing on the wall. That was Denver's best punch. And that was inevitable. I was talking with our colleague Liv the other day. And like we, like, she was talking about Jimmy Butler and what she expected in game three. And I said,

I don't really expect a ton from game three more in game four. And one of the reasons was Denver had won seven games in a row. Like they had won seven games in a row again. And that included wins against Kevin Durant and Devin Booker and LeBron James and Anthony Davis. Like they, they were due for a clunker. And when we finished in our game two show and I woke up the next morning and I watched the film, it really was one of Denver's worst defensive performances from the postseason. Every one of them was saying it in the post game presser. It was inevitable that they were going to come out and throw just a great punch tonight. And Jimmy is it the kind of smart guy that will kind of poke through that and understand that he's going to live to fight another day, so to speak.

I actually, I had a topic that was presented on Twitter this morning. that really got me interested, and I was curious your opinion. So some of the ratings came out, and the ratings in this particular finals have been pretty good, not quite where they were last year, but pretty good, which is encouraging to me. But you had mentioned this on your show the other day, which I thought was super interesting. You said the top four players that you think are on the top tier in the league are Janus, Yokic, Luca, and I think Steph was your fourth, and Steph's getting older. They're just totally, they're not perfect players, but they are literally,

universally unique. On the planet, they're unique. Exactly. And so, and Steph, obviously, is 35 years old. And who knows if Golden State can retool around him in time. June is championship month in sports. NHL playoffs. NBA finals. Now, you can watch all this stuff on television, certainly. But there's nothing like live, and there's nothing like being there in person. For last minute, amazing. Amazing. deals on the best tickets to comedy shows, concerts, and your favorite sport. Check out Game Time. Download the Game Time app right now. The Redeem code is me, Colin, C-O-L-L-I-N, $20, $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply. Go out and have some fun this weekend. Again, download the Game Time app, $20 off your first purchase,

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for the league. And what do you think it says about American players in the way that they are developed here in the States? Well, most of the foreign players are big. Janus, Embeded, Yokic, it's a lot of really highly skilled bigs. Most of our highly skilled players are wings. And we've almost de-emphasized bigs in our game, right? Our players are, it's just, it's the reality of what, what has happened.

I don't think it's bad for the league because I think we love basketball. I think we all played it in high school. You know, hockey is very international. Most of us didn't have a skating rink within an hour of our house. So I think basketball is always going to be fine. It's a story league. I don't think I don't think Denver will ever be a fascinating team. I don't think Milwaukee's fascinating.

But, you know, the league is always broadcast, Jason, about six. teams. They put their arms around six teams. If your champion's not fascinating, the Lakers will be. Boston not winning is. The John Morant story is Phoenix now, Durant is. I think there's enough really interesting stories. Your champion doesn't have to be enthralling. I think a lot of warriors will be. I think they've got a couple punches left. I think there's enough interesting storylines around the league. Beads interesting. You know, Janus is likable. Yokic is kind of nonverbal. It's okay. I think the league's in a really good space. I think it's a hard league to judge on ratings alone because their YouTube numbers and streaming numbers and social media followings are much greater than football in a lot of instances. They're much more popular on like the IG and on TikTok. So I think the league's in a really good space. And I also, I also think increasingly we know, I mean, I've seen more Victor Wembeyanama video.

We now see international players. Like it's a real thing now. You get games broadcast. So I don't, I think it's in a really good space. I think, I think the sport in America that it's going to always have problems is hockey. We don't play it. It's not terribly diverse. There are just communities where it's not, it's just not a thing.

It's very international. Whereas basketball, we do follow their minor league system, college basketball to a degree. Not to the level of college football, but we all watch college basketball and March Madness. We don't watch college hockey. You know, when your minor league system is irrelevant, your feeder system, it hurts. So I think football and basketball are in a good space. I think the tradition of baseball, though it trends old is fine. Baseball, the advantage baseball has, it's good in the right markets.

Atlanta, New York, Houston, L.A., San Francisco. Big cities, because no salary cap, the big cities can afford it. So it's driven by Philadelphia, New York, L.A., Houston, Atlanta. You know, it works. But I think basketball's fine. And I think the game, I think the players have never been more skilled. The game remains creative and artistic. It's embracable.

There's big players. There's small players. There's flashy players. There's flawed players. It's fun. It's a fun like, I like it more now than I ever have. I do think sometimes, I think I like the layering of it. I like Yokic.

Yokic, Denver is a two-point team. Miami's a three. I like these kind of old school basketball teams that have length and get points in the paint. Denver is very old school. I like that. Yeah, I'm in lockstep with you on this one. I don't think it hurts the game at all whatsoever. As a matter of fact, I think the best evidence of this is just the way that Americans react to these foreign players.

Like, what happened in Philly? They were all like, get people. Ben Simmons out of here. We like Embed, you know? And it's, and it's because Ben Simmons had all these qualities that didn't resonate with them. And then Joel Embed was this freaky competitive kid who was super coordinated because he grew up playing soccer and they just gravitated towards that guy. Denver fans are rallying around Yokic like you wouldn't believe. Obviously, Luca Donchich has been, you know, I would argue his hype and support is actually superseded what he's actually accomplished so far to this point, you know? And so I don't think it hurts the game

at all. As far as it goes with the American players, I do think there's an interesting dynamic that takes place. And I think it's a product of how quickly overseas we get players into professional basketball compared to the way it is here in the States. And again, I just remember this from my own experience. And this was really starting when I was first coming up in college. But there's an emphasis in America on some of the more flashy elements of basketball. Like, you know, the high, and you mentioned social media engagement. And you're right. Basketball is consumed in a large, in a large capacity through social media here in the U.S. And what does well on social media?

Dunks, you know, crazy highlight, you know, 16 dribble combinations into, oh, look at this crazy move that Kyrie Irving did. And those things are an important part of basketball. But let me tell you this, some of the best athletes I ever saw were in junior college, you know, like guys that can dunk don't necessarily succeed in the NBA. And meanwhile, overseas, like, I think one of the things that's been beneficial is, I don't think it's a coincidence that all three of those guys are huge. Like, and play a physical brand of basketball.

You talked a lot about Yokic in his game of leverage. Luca does the same thing as a perimeter player, like to a T. He's just getting you to move an inch and then he's pushing you off of your spot in that inch to get to where he wants to go to get an easier shot closer to the basket. I think a big part of that has come from playing against grown-ass men from the time they turned 16 years old. and it being all about winning from the time they turned 16 years old. And I do think that we will see a resurgence.

I think you'll see more bigs come out of the United States. I think you'll see coaches and AAU basketball and all of them respond and kind of change their approach a little bit. But like we're in the situation where it's like, okay, who's the next American star? Okay, is it John Morant? Is it Zion Williamson? Is it Anthony Edwards? Like those guys feel miles behind the dudes we just mentioned.

Well, and also sometimes with our players, maturity is an issue, right? Whereas sometimes the international players, and this is true. When I go overseas, I just came from Iceland for a week. When I visit a country, I'm more polite. I'm a visitor. It's not my soil. You know, I think these foreign-born players come into America. they're very adult, very respectful, basketball is their life, they're focused, they don't get sidetracked, Zion is sidetracked, John Morant's sidetracked.

They're much more comfortable here. I think it's a real thing. Like, how do you act, anybody listening to us, when you go overseas, it's different. You act different. You're a visitor. And I think, I was told this years ago by a general manager that a foreign born player is less likely to leave. He's very grateful for the opportunity to go to Milwaukee. Milwaukee is his Lakers.

Milwaukee is much better than his international team. He's treated like the arena is bigger. The players are better. The TV's better. The crowds are bigger. So he doesn't look at it as a step down. That is his Lakers. That's his Yankees.

And so I think the foreign-born players come in here with very conscientious, very grateful. And I'm not saying, you know, Jaws. not grateful. But I, we're all a little different at home. You know, we're all a little different when we're comfortable. And I think these players come in,

and they are ready to go. They, they see this as a one time opportunity. They're not going to be given a four to the opportunity, two or three. You know, a lot of these international players don't get the big shoe deal, you know,

right? Like they're not on IG. So like the basketball is their focus. It's their income. it's their revenue and I think you see it on the court and I also think for years and years we talked about how soft international players were and they heard it and you hear something over and over you're not this you're not this I think over the last 10 years they have increasingly gotten much more physical because the Tony Kukot story was legendary where

Michael and Scotty Pippen bullied him and picked on him well that story got told over there for 10 years and I didn't like it so these international guys sharpen their else elbows when they come over here. They're ready to play. You can see even the way Luca plays in Yokic. It's a very elbow angle initiate contact game. It's they come in a little heavier. It's almost like it's purposeful weight. They play with a lot of knees up and angles. And I think that's part of the physical game that they want to, they want to, hey, they don't want to be pushed around. Kooch was a great player. He got pushed around in this league. And that stuff made its way back. So I like, I, I, I, I love watching international players.

Oh, I 100% agree. And you're absolutely like, Janice uses his off arm, like crazy, that chicken wing when he's driving by people. He's got a nasty streak. Luke has got a big time nasty street. That dude's talking shit on every single possession. Joel Embed is literally like scoring buckets on you in your home arena and then taunting you in front of your stands. Like these dudes all are nasty physical players. I am really curious to see how American basketball responds over the next few decades.

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