The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd’s Instant Reaction - Super Bowl LVII: Chiefs Over Eagles

Episode Date: February 13, 2023

Colin and 3 and Out podcast Host John Middlekauff give their instant reaction to the Chiefs last second 38-35 Super Bowl LVII win over the Eagles, what a second Lombardi means for Mahomes and Andy Reid, Jalen Hurts impressive performance in a loss, and if there’s any chance Andy Reid could walk away on top, and if the defensive holding call against Philly on KC’s game-winning drive is cause for outrage. Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates, and check out FanDuel for the best wagering and daily fantasy action! #Herd #Volume #3andOutSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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LinkedIn.com slash Colin. Live here after Super Bowl 57. I'm here with Colin Coward. Colin, happy Super Bowl. Bittersweet always because football ends. But wow. What a game. I think everybody at Fox had the Eagles.

Nick Wright and I had the Chiefs. That was it. I felt like I watched two or three different games. You know, through the years, I've talked about this with Matt LaFleur of the Packers. Young coaches are really good devising game plans. They're not always great at halftime. And Philadelphia defensively, I mean, didn't make stops. Fooled badly twice in the red zone.

We can get upset with officiating, but Philadelphia's defense, Steve Spagnola, veteran, coordinator, head coach Andy Reid, veteran, they made enough plays defensively in the second half. And the other thing, John, is, let's be honest about it. Sean Payton called it. He said special teams for the Eagles are a problem. That Tony part return is really the game changer. That is the game changer on us. Yeah, I mean, I always say this, they mentioned during the broadcast, you know, Andy had been it, this was a 31st year in the NFL. Obviously, I think 23 of them are as a head coach and as many years as assistant. Think when he's, you know, his game planning, but even in game stuff, the adjustments he can make to a coach in the headset. Hey, remember in 08 or remember in 99, they did this. This will work against what they're doing right now.

his the you know the rolodex of information he can go back on going against three eagles coaches that are pretty good right seriani and his two coordinators who honestly might become coaches they're all young they're all you know i'm 38 they're all relative right around my age he's been in the league coaching for 31 and you just saw an all-time great coach really lock in i mean the halftime peyton said a while back right peyton manning half time adjustments are overrated and i agree because you're constantly making adjustments i do think that long 30 minute half time benefited for the chiefs, take a deep breath. Because they were getting worked, Colin.

No, listen. It was 24, was it like 2414 at half? 2414.5, yeah. And I felt like this game is a step. It's literally, if they don't get a touchdown, it's ugly. Agreed. The Holmes came back. His leg appeared to get significantly better as the second half went on.

They score a touchdown in the first drive. and I'm sitting there thinking, this is what Mahomes does. He gets outplayed. He hangs around. Listen, I thought Jalen Hertz could have played his best game as a pro. He was literally flawless.

And in the end, Mahomes made just a few more big plays. But I really think it came down to. We're going to talk about the two quarterbacks. Fumble by Hertz became a touchdown for Philly. Huge special teams, Eagles, a bit of a if he call at the end,

but Kansas City was going to take the lead in a field goal anyway. So Philadelphia has got nobody to blame but themselves, bad special teams, Jalen hurts a fumble, Mahomes didn't have one. And I will say that run by Mahomes in the second half late, that 25-yard run, when he's outrunning linebackers, and you're thinking, that was limping.

into the locker room. He really had a remarkable two-game stretch right after that ankle injury. Really, I guess it goes back three games, two-and-a-half-game stretch of, you know, a legendary player he now enters, right? You think about, I was thinking earlier today, eat lunch, the great two Super Bowl quarterbacks like Peyton, but it was the, it was over when he won a second. Elway had been to five, but when he won a second, like he then retired, right? And those are, I would say, two guys.

There are some other guy. You know, Terry Bradshaw's won several, but he's not considered in the top five. Mahomes is already there, but he's 27, 28 years old. I mean, you'd have to put his over-unders on Super Bowls, and definitely another one in his future, right? Well, yes, and I also think we have to start, like, mentioning Belichick for 15 to 20 years had all the rules on his side. the league pivoted to offense,

now Bill can't get to the playoffs and Andy completely dominates the sport. I thought the second half is one of the great coaching performances I ever remember in a Super Bowl. John, do you know how hard it is in the red zone to be opened by 10 yards? I mean, that's trick play stuff.

And those weren't trick plays. I mean, my takeaway was Mahomes. These are these aren't difficult throws. I mean, he made a couple of nice throws. I would argue Jalen Hertz made more high-grade difficult throws. Mahomes had some layups, had some stuff that was scheme wide open. You know, listen, we all, and I do too, all these young coaches in the league, Stuyken's about to get the Colts job. Obviously, McVeigh, the Shanahan's.

But, you know, speaking of Andy, they score in all three drives. And Spagnola now has some legendary performances in this game as a defensive coordinator. He just, I mean, legendary. So you just have two guys with much more experience than the other three young guys. And it just kind of showed because the Eagles have hung their hat all season long on getting pressure, pressure, pressure. A little more difficult tonight, right? Hassan Redick wasn't just flying around. Their defensive linemen were just sacking Mahomes every play.

So as the game slowed down a little bit in the second half, it felt like Spagnola was constantly getting pressure. Blitzes and just neutralizing Jalen a little bit. And the Eagles throughout the year, because tonight he looked healthy again, right? That looked like the MVP level Jalen Hertz. But they had struggled in the second half scoring. And for whatever reason, I think it's hard to pinpoint. But tonight, it happened again because if they just do 50% of what they're doing in the first half, the Chiefs wouldn't have been able to catch up.

Yeah. I hope what's not lost in this is how good Jalen Hertz was. he had a couple of rows to Goddard. I mean, literally, Chiefs players, great. Yeah. And he was moving. The one Andy challenge was a remarkable play on third and 14. Oh, my God.

So it's, this really isn't on Hertz. Now, Hertz had a disaster in the first half. Like, let's step back and look at this as honestly as we can. You're not going to win a Super Bowl if three things happen. ever. If you have a first half fumble that becomes a touchdown for the other guy, if you have a massive mistake on special teams, and your defense allows a touchdown on every possession in the second half,

like you're not going to win Super Bowls. The fact that was this close is a complete credit to Jalen Hertz who just made plays. I do think the NFL in the offseason may take. take out that scrum, that rugby play. It's not fair. You can't stop it. It's an unstoppable play. It's unstoppable.

There's nothing. They get in it and you just, you might as well just give them the first down so no one gets hurt, right? Because it's automatic. Yeah. And it's not in the spirit of the game. No. So the NFL tweak stuff in season.

They'll tweak that and get rid of it. You know, I think I was just thinking when you were saying about Jalen, in recent memory, right, some teams that lost the Super Bowl. It happened with golf with the Rams and McVeigh was like, this is, I'm not going to be able to win with this guy quarterback. The Niners with Jimmy Garoppolo, it made him question. Sometimes when you lose, you just, you're probably a little more introspective as a front office as a team.

I think like you just said about Jalen, I would be more confident in the way the guy carried himself, the way he played, how much it translated in the biggest spot. They already loved him, but tonight he was brilliant. I mean, he was, you know,

they're going to give him a large contract. we've seen some large contracts given the last couple years. And they're like, well, that's not going to age well. This one I'd feel pretty confident about with the signal caller in Philly. Yeah. And, you know, their concern is they may lose a free agent or two. I think they'll get back.

My guess is right now, San Francisco and Philadelphia simply have better rosters and aren't paying their quarterbacks yet. So I do think like a Jason Kelsey could could retire. Yeah, he almost did last year. Yeah, I could see that. I could see one or two other players peeling off wanting to get paid. They are getting old, Fletcher Cox. They're getting, he's not what he was.

That's what they draft Jordan Davis. So I don't think Philadelphia will quite have that stacked of a roster. They also lose an offensive coordinator, whereas the Chiefs have 11 draft picks. And all those rookies in the back end, now are coming back after winning the Super Bowl. Brett Veach drafts and develops. I mean, good God, the running backs the seventh rounder. They got starters in the sixth round.

So this was, you could argue, John, was this the year to catch the chiefs off guard? Rebuild the O line or rebuild the receiving core. Rookies everywhere in the back end of the defense. It's like, guys, this was the season. to get the Chiefs, and instead the bills regressed. Well, really, this team, the iteration of what they were winning with four or five years ago is completely different. I mean, they have two new tackles. You know, they got rid of Tyree Kill, which was very Belichekian.

Most people in that spot would not have, and they just won the Super Bowl without the guy. And their receivers, while productive, you know, you would have to imagine the young guy they have more is going to be better next year. People are going to want to come play with Patrick Mahomes, like going to play. like Steph Curry or something if you're a free agent, if the money's normal. The lines are always going to be good under Andy Reed. The thing that really stood out about this Chief's team relative to the ones that were good three or four years ago,

their team speed on defense with those two linebackers that can fly. They were never good at linebacker when they beat the 49ers. Bolton, I think he's from Missouri. He is fantastic. I mean, his lateral quickness, not quite Fred Warner, but he's making these plays that just, that were huge tonight.

And I bet, you know, from a coaching standpoint, it's stuff that those guys, like, we would not be as good as we are without the team speed at linebacker. Well, he's young. I mean, look at how well they draft. Creed Humphrey is the first or second best center. They're not paying him a nickel yet. The running backs is seventh rounder. That kid is just knocking people over left. Yeah.

So they have to go, they have to go draft the tide end eventually because Travis Kelsey, you know, those guys like kiddle, they take a beating. They don't have a lot. I mean, I'll say this. They got 11 draft picks. I think they have four seventh rounders. But I really do feel like, John, Philadelphia is going to be back, or at least in the final two or three in the NFC because of their roster. But I think this was the year to catch Kansas City. This is the year to catch them.

Yeah, I mean, and just think about their division, a lot of moving parts. I mean, the Raiders are kind of starting from scratch. Denver is going to have to figure some things out. As a small business owner or hiring manager, success depends on the team you surround yourself with. That's why you should check out LinkedIn jobs. Hire qualified candidates more efficiently by matching open roles with people who have the skills, values, and experience you want. That's what LinkedIn jobs does. They go beyond resume data by using insights from your job post company and their 875

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Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Back to the Eagles, you know, like I know they lost and we sang Jaylin's praises. I think the organization to be able to retool that they have the 10th overall pick coming from the Saints. Look at all their good young players. How good is Devante Smith? He looks 110 pounds.

He's unstoppable. You know, they get high draft picks. Howie and Veatch are looking at two guys that both learned under Andy Reed. I mean, they're just two of the better guys in the league. when you have a high level front office and good coaching staff, obviously you need to land a good quarterback. Both teams do. But it's the talent on those two rosters at every position you saw impact players. Well, they got Jordan Davis and the D-line. So they're set if a Fletcher Cox retires. They probably need to go get a great, that's a good center draft in the first second round,

probably should go get one if Kelsey retires. You know, when you're as good as Philadelphia, you don't really draft for need. No. I mean, you can just go get the best dude. I mean, you could move around in the draft. They have very few needs. I mean, they really do. I love their corners.

I just feel like when you win it, when you get to a Super Bowl, you're going to have to pay Hertz here. And I was always, I always believed in Jalen's character. But I got to be honest with you. I don't remember a game as a pro that he's played better in a bigger spot. I was just. blown away by about six of his throws tonight. I thought he made more pressurized difficult throws than Mahomes. Mahomes had the, some of Andy Reid schemes are cartoonish.

I mean, I still can't get over the fact that they had two Red Zone touchdowns and nobody within 10 yards. That's high school. That never happens in the pros. He's the greatest coach at dialing up plays to the running back in the, passing game ever. And for a long time in his career, I mean, one of the knocks with him in Philly is he refused to run the ball. But the pushback always was, it's not like his running backs didn't get touches. He just didn't necessarily hand him the ball. He would throw him screens. He would throw him wheel routes and those two touchdowns tonight in the second half. I mean, guys walk into the end zone. It's set, this is the Super Bowl. This isn't, you know, week four.

This is, you know, most of these, these defensive players are the best of the best. they're all on the same page. It just, that was remarkable. And I know I have a hard time that the, the rule when you wrap the controversial call that's a lot of people are going to be bitching and a moan about over the next 48 hours. My only issue with the call like that is,

they call that when you wrap around. You can say it's ticky tax, but they always do. My issue, when I was a kid, if you threw it over the guy's head, they would have, the ref would go like this uncatchable and it wouldn't count.

They don't even do that. anymore because juju is not as fast guy you know he's like he's slow he would not have caught the ball that's my only issue with the letter of the law like they did call it correctly yeah no and i and i think and you know i think maybe you and i've talked about this you get to the NBA finals in the super bowl they tend to swallow the whistle a little bit they they it's almost like the league says just step out of the way a little bit i thought the refs did a great job there was some uh complaining earlier. It was a first half play. And I think Kansas

City fans were complaining about pass interference. And I was like, just let him play. Let's just move the game along. I'm with you. I hate that call in that spot, but it is called. You can't put your arm around a guy. We know that. We've watched football forever.

You're just not allowed to do that play. And I think that's what Pereira said. He's like, you know, I think Mike Pereira said, you can't wrap your arm around him. And Greg Olson, and I agree with that. At that stage, it's like, oh, I hate that call. But it's not, they would have kicked a field goal, right? It would have been, Philly would have had 80 seconds or 70 seconds or something, whatever it was.

Exactly. I always thought this about Peyton Manning when he finally won that last Super Bowl, even though he was shot, like he deserved to be a two Super Bowl level guy. Like he was that talented. You know, Andy, and I know you've known him for a long time, I'm obviously biased, but for a long time in Philly, it was like, guys, this guy knows what he's doing. and what he did with Alex Smith for a long time. I mean, Alex couldn't throw outside the numbers.

And now that he's got one of the great players ever, he's consistently kicking everyone's ass. He's won two Super Bowls. You know so many people in this business. No one has a bad thing to say. He's a high character human being who's obviously just one of the all-time great coaches in a coaching sport. Oh, no, no.

I mean, when you talk to Sean Payton, you know, when I talk to coaches, when I talk to GMs, they, Andy's, not even considered they don't, Andy's above discussion. Yeah. Like some guys, I've had, I've had GMs push back a little on McVeigh

that he gets worked by Shanahan. I've had people say about Shanahan. He falls in love with the script. Lefleur should be much tougher on, you know, Aaron, let's Aaron push him around. Even Sean Peyton,

people say, oh, he's a storyteller. He loves his story. Sean loves Sean. I love the guy. Andy is just like, He's like royalty. It's like, oh, yeah, Christ, Andy, he's just, he's dialing. I thought, you know, and what's funny about Andy, and it shows one of the things that drives me crazy, I love sports.

But my big pushback on media and fans, both, I understand fans, it's short for Fanatic, is that if you don't win championships, we marginalize you. I mean, Dan Marino may be the most talented quarterback, Prima Holmes. I've ever seen. Just insane. Didn't want a Super Bowl. Charles Barclay could score in transition, down low, much better perimeter shooter than Michael Jordan from Long. He didn't want a title. Like, every, I mean, the fact that Andy Reid took so much shit for years in Philadelphia,

and it's like, folks, look at the quarterbacks. Like Donovan McNabb struggled with accuracy. He was out of shape in the Super Bowl, Colin. He was out of shape in the Super Bowl. What's Andy supposed to do? Hold his hand, give him a few bucket. I mean, there's only so much you can do. Like, when you get high level players, like obviously Steve Kerr's a good coach,

but you're very dependent on Phil Jackson coach. And honestly, you know, Joe Tori used to talk about this. Coaching high-end players is more difficult than getting some random guy to overachieve, like coaching Michael Jordan, coaching Patrick Mahomes, coaching Derek Jeter is a very difficult thing to do. The overwhelming majority of guys have no chance to do that. I would say nobody, or at least like he is every bit as good as any coach in the history of the sport at coaching the high-end guys, which is the most important skill you can have as a coach. Yeah, I think to wrap a bow on it, I think it's as good as Super Bowl as I've ever watched.

Both quarterbacks were amazing. Andy won the tweak slash adjustment part of the game. Philly clearly better early, Kansas City dominant late. there's an odd call at the end we don't love. Kansas City would have kicked a field goal anyway. I just, I always push back on bad calls. And my takeaway is always, folks, if you can't make stops, you can't blame a ref. You can't blame one second of a ref after two hours of that defense.

Totally agree. Like, you can't. That was two hours and you, and it wasn't just John, couldn't make a stop, fooled. badly on multiple plays. Like, no adjustments. Looking to get more out of the NBA season? Well, now's the perfect time to download Fandul, America's number one sports book.

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Let's get you out here on this. One story that's been out there, people I know in Kansas City think he just loves football and loves Mahomes too much. But it's kind of out there that, you know, could Andy Reid retire? you know, he's 64 years old. His passion from people that I know that around him has never been higher. But, you know, go out on top. It's a pretty unique thing to do. If he were to retire, what would you do if you were of each?

Tough spot. I mean, I call the Broncos and give him two firsts. I get Sean Payton. Well, you know, you sit down with B-enemy. You sit down with Mike Kafka. Yeah. And, you know, you bought, first of all, to one of the great fan bases in America for any league. And you just won another Super Bowl.

So, and you have great young players. So let's say a coach came in and he just wasn't Andy. You're still probably a division winning team with 12 wins. So I think what you do is, is you take somebody that's fairly familiar with it that you really, really like, you go offense, somebody Patrick's familiar with. Kafka, BN, whatever it is. And you make it real clear. It's like you're replacing the greatest coach ever. We're not giving you a five-year deal.

We're going to watch it. We'll trial period. Yeah. If we don't love it, that's the downside to getting the homes. This is not any job. You're going to get two years. Now, we'll pay it for three, but you got to win. That's the reality.

This is not any car. This is a Mercedes. Okay. So you can't back into a tree and say, you know, the sight lines are poor. It's like we're putting you in the best suburb, the best car, the widest driveway. We'll pay you, but there's going to be pressure for this job. There is no learning how to do it. That's the downside to get in my homes. Yeah. It'd be if it did come to fruition, he retired, it'd be one of the great job openings in the history of sports. I mean, you could argue it's the greatest NFL opening ever. Yeah. That's the best NFL opening ever. I mean, a coachable, a coachable superstar quarterback in his prime. Who's proven he could dominate, you know, who loves it there. Yeah, it's, it doesn't get any, uh, it, I, my gut is he's not going.

I just think he's too addicted. Yeah, I think my guess is you can't leave now. Like, like, there's too many good young players. Like, you can't. So, you know, the one good thing, if Andy left and. Remember, Walsh walked away after the third one, and then later on said he regretted it, you know, because they won it the next year. And he's, he easily could have stayed a couple more years. And the difference is he, you know, got really stressed and had these mental breakdowns.

And he is, you know, he's stressed eats. So he's good. Yeah, I was talking to Jim Gray, the sportscaster the other day. Let's go podcast. And we were just talking about in the hotel lobby. We were just talking about, you know, what we do for a living. And he listened to the show and he was very complimentary. And he said, you know, just keep doing it.

calling. He goes, Oprah Winfrey once said to be, if you talk for a living, keep talking until they don't let you talk. If you coach offense like Andy Reid, you just keep coaching it until they tell you you can't coach it, Patrick Mahomes. Like, you know, he's probably thinking, man, I could use a month in the Bahamas. If I'm Brett Veach, I give him a month in the Bahamas. Yeah. Clark Cut, say take two. We got the draft agency with, you know, you know. Get out. Well, Colin, that was a fun NFL season. But the good thing about the NFL, stories are fast and furious.

It's three agencies right around the corner of the draft. I saw you talking to Caleb. He's a little bigger than I thought. You know, I met his dad. He's so, you know, he's like, you know, I'm not as good as you guys are all saying. I got a lot to work on. And I looked at his dad. And when I walked out of the room, I said, you've done a great job.

Yeah. You have done a great job as a dad. Man, it's like Jalen Hurts. I don't need to meet his dad. I know his dad's great. Moms. These guys have such character. They're so coachable.

I mean, for Caleb Williams to be that good and that coachable, Jalen Hertz. I mean, again, I hope we don't forget how good Jalen Hertz was tonight. Jesus. Yeah. Well, he was the lock MVP if they win that game. Oh, my. It would have been the easiest MVP in a while, it felt like. He made a six high level.

stress throws, like hard. Guys aren't open. Hard throws. I don't think Maham has more wide open stuff. But in terms of, if you said, 10 best throws of the game, Jalen may have seven of them. Yeah, I mean, they leaned on him to throw the ball the night too, and he was awesome.

He was clearly healthy. What a game. Well, Colin, have a good night. And I'll make sure not turn my mic off until someone forces it away. Like Oprah says, you just keep talking. We'll just keep talking. Okay, go on. See you, buddy.

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