The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Kaepernick, James Harden, Bill Belichick, Carson Wentz

Episode Date: June 10, 2020

Colin explains why Colin Kaepernick should get a chance to come back but wonders if he's been gone for too long, why James Harden isn't built for the playoffs, why Bill Belichick will struggle without Tom Brady, and why Carson Wentz is underrated. Guests include Nick Wright, Peter Schrager, Don Garber, and Reggie Bush. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1, Reggie Bush will be on the show today, the most exhilarating college football player. Maybe in the last 20 years, if players could sell their jerseys, their likeness, make money. I'm not sure outside of Tim Tebow, there's been a college player in 20 years that would make the money that Reggie Bush would have made. The NCAA can no longer keep USC and Reggie Bush apart. He will join us in a couple of hours. Looking forward to that. Joy Taylor, how are you? I'm doing good. You know, for somebody that says you hang out at home and you don't have wardrobe, I've never seen a more diverse wardrobe from you. You don't have a stylist. We have wardrobes.

Oh, you do? Yeah. Our wardrobe department, everybody's not back yet, but they, they have my normal show clothes like steamed and hung in our room for me. You are, you're pandemic proof when it comes to hair. You really are. Well, I mean, prior to coming to FS1, I did do my own hair and makeup for, you know, most of my career. I've had friends say, boy, Joey looks great. And I'm like, we don't even have wardrobe people around.

I look at my hair. We have my hair. They leave it in there for it. But we do want it. We do need all of our crew back, though. Yes, we do. So I want to talk about a story of Colin Kaepernick. So Malcolm Jenkins is somebody I've respected a lot during the last couple of years, last three years.

I think his professional demeanor, his understanding of players, ownership, the commissioner, he's been a really smart voice on all these issues, the Kaepernick issues. He's never been there just to pick a fight. Malcolm Jenkins has been, let's get this resolved, let's get it fixed, let's do it right. And I think he's been a real pro on this. He's a guy, I think, that everybody can listen to, learn from. And he was on the CBS Morning Show. And he was talking about what to do now with Colin Kaepernick and Roger Goodell now admitting he was wrong.

And here's Malcolm Jenkins. I still don't think they've gotten the right until they've apologized specifically to Colin Kaepernick or sign him to a team. I don't think that they will end up on the right side of history. At the end of the day, they have listened to their players. They've donated money. They've created an inspired change platform. and they've tried to do things up into this point. It's been one player in particular that they have not,

or that they've ignored and have not acknowledged, and that's Colin Kaepernick. Okay, so he said either assign him to a team or apologize. Well, since assigning players the teams is not really a thing, the apology is probably the way to go. But let me talk about this. So when the Kaepernick kneeling happened, you know, I've always said,

I'm not a big fan of taking your protest to your job. There's a lot of, you know, you can Instagram it, Twitter it, your shoe company, but be that as it may. I talked about Kaepernick for a couple of years. I wasn't outraged by the Neil itself. And I talked about Kaepernick, I should tell you, on this show for about a couple months. The reason I stopped talking about him was I didn't think it was that captivating a story,

and I'm trying to fill 12 segments a day. That's all I'm trying to do here. I'm looking for interesting. Kaepernick now is interesting to me again because if he plays, I'd watch. I judge it by my friends. When I go jogging, work out with my friends, play tennis, what are they talking about? That's usually the lead to my show. They stopped talking about Kaepernick after about two months, and I was like, okay, that's no longer a quarterback story, right?

And then now they're asking again, well, what do you think? So here's what I think. I think it's interesting. But I let's talk football, because I'm not really, I'm not left, right, let's just talk football. He has been inactive for four years. Okay. Michael Vick was inactive for two. Michael Vicks way better than Kaepernick.

He was inactive for half as long. He was younger. Michael Vick came back for a year. Could not beat out Kevin Cobb. It's hard. Alden Smith was a sack a game defensive lineman. He's been off four years. He signed with the Cowboys.

I didn't spend a segment on it. Why? I don't think he can play. Do we understand how good this league is? I'm talking football. Now, there's a bunch of good teams. I do think, you know, he kind of plays a little bit like Russell Wilson, and there's a little Carson Wentz here,

and there's a little Lamar Jackson, but good teams generally, Super Bowl teams. There's about 8 to 10. Celebrity backup is just not what they're looking for. So let's be realistic. You can't ask Baltimore, who I think is the best team in the league, to bring a celebrity backup in.

They have a young quarterback. They love him. He's great. They want to focus. They want to do football. I think it's unfair to ask a great team, a Seattle, a Baltimore. You know, like a San Francisco,

show, their eyes are Super Bowl. Do they want a celebrity backup? Most historically, that's just not a position in the NFL. Let's go to some teams where they're not very good. You're Cincinnati's and your Jacksonville's, Gardner Minshu. I'm not sure in this league right now, if you've been gone for four years and you were kind of average and you'll be 33 and you've been out four years, I'm not sure you can make a backup.

You think I'm crazy. Andy Dalton was a pro bowler. He's still young backup. James Winston, 30 touchdown passes, third string. Cam Newton can't get a job. Folks, I've been saying this. Joy as my witness for several years. This is the golden age of quarterbacks.

About 15 years ago, everybody in the country finally decided, let's get the best athlete let him be quarterback. That didn't happen when I was a kid. The quality of the quarterback play with all these elite 11 camps in the last four to five years has exploded. There's no more first-round quarterback busts. We bring their college schemes. The coaching's better.

The coaching's younger. They got 100,000 snaps by the time they're 14 years old. Do we understand the revolution that's happening with quarterback playing this league? James Winston's third string. He had 30 touchdown passes. Third string. So if two Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert all hit, and I think they will, I think they're all going to be B to B plus quarterbacks in the NFL. Two, I think, could be an A minus.

Next year we have two superstar A plus quarterbacks. There are no starting jobs. left. New England may be the only desperate team after this year. So the question is, is Kaepernick willing to be a backup? I'm here for it. I'm here for the tryout. I'm here to watch. I'm in the interesting business. I think Kaepernick back in the league's interesting. My question is football. Four years? Average when he left? Are we sure he's an NFL player anymore? We are watching the greatest four to five-year stretch of new quarterbacks in the league that I can ever remember. We are one draft away, two more star quarterbacks, Justin Fields, Trevor Lawrence away.

You're just running out of teams that need quarterbacks. So I'm for Kaepernick. I think it's interesting. I think there's probably a space that it works. But we should ask Colin Kaepernick, does he want to be a backup to Gardner-Minshoe? Does he? If he does, that's kind of the situation I think it works in. A backup on a non-super Bowl team that probably has bad personnel, and I'm okay with it.

Because I do think it's an interesting question, but I think the apology is perhaps the easier route than assigning him to a team. Because I think the great teams are not looking for celebrity backups, and the bad teams, I wonder, Colin Kaepernick's an icon. Colin Kaepernick stands for something. Colin Kaepernick's not short on money. Does he want to do it? But I do think it's now moved back into a very interesting story that I'd like to watch. I think he deserves a tryout. I think we need to talk about it.

I don't think we should be worried about it and walk on eggshells. Let's see. Let's go. But man, what I see in the NFL, a 33-year-old when he comes back, four years inactive wasn't great. I'm not sure he's an NFL player. I know he's not an NFL starter. I just don't see that. But I don't know if we kind of understand the quality of what we're watching right now. It's the best I've ever seen. In the 40 years I've been watching it, I've never seen quarterback play like this, ever. Trevor Lawrence was a freshman at college. I thought he was good

enough to play in the NFL. I mean, seriously, I don't remember anybody to be like that. I don't remember that. I thought John Elway in college, he wasn't good enough to play in the NFL as a freshman. Andrew Luck wasn't good enough to play. So that's the world we live in right now. I'm here for it. I'm excited for it. Let's see what happens. And I do think Malcolm Jenkins is one of the NFL guys.

He talks, I listen. I think he's always got a realistic approach. So this story is interesting. So Darry, I like Darrymoy, Rocket's GM, very early analytic guy. The video is a little fuzzy because, you know, quarantines, virus, all that stuff. Joy and I, we take the video. we can get these days. So he has always been defending James Hardin.

I didn't like Hardin initially in the league. I've come to accept he's an all-time great offensive player. I don't think he's built with his ball-centric style. The late Kobe Bryant said that. It doesn't work in the playoffs. You don't get the whistle. But Errol Mori is saying the reason the media is not fair with James Harden. We've worked together for eight or nine years now,

and I couldn't have a better partner to try and win a title with. In fact, most days I wake up saying I've let him down because I haven't gotten him, got him the right players to win a title. He also said he thinks the media has been too tough on him. The media has been tough on James. Kevin Durant's relationship with the media is at best prickly. We love Kevin. Kauai Leonard doesn't talk to the media. We love Kauai.

Westbrook taunts the media. Most media like Westbrook. It's not a media thing. James Hardens let us down. Time and time again. 2017, game six against the Spurs. He quit. Made two shots, only took 11.

Houston's up three to two on Golden State. Remember that a couple years ago? They have him dead coming back home. Houston missed 27 straight threes. Hardin was two of 13. He was dreadful. They had the champions. In 2015, Rockets were down to the Clippers 3-1.

Hardin was so bad. He had a plus minus-21. they benched him and the team came back without him. Last year against Golden State, KD's out. Steph doesn't score a point in the first half. It's Hardin's game to win. Steph was way better. By the way, the only time he was in the finals,

he was dreadful for Oklahoma City. He shot 37%. Kobe Bryant told us this. A ball-centric style is exhausting. And by the time you get to the playoffs, you just don't have much left in the tank. You lose your legs. James Hardin has lost his legs in the playoffs.

over and over and over. He goes through droughts and bad nights. We really don't see much in the regular season. And similarly, the NBA playoffs, James needs the whistle. That's his game. He needs the whistle. I've got to be honest with you. My entire life, refs don't give you the whistle in the playoffs.

They step back and let players dominate the game. I look at James Hardin like the greatest sports convertible. Those convertible sports cars? Amazing in the summer. Pretty badass in the fall. Don't work in the winter. And the winner is the NBA playoffs. He's not built for it.

He's just simply, he's just not built for it. He's built to get the whistle. That's a regular season thing. Ball centric's great. Game one through 72. But when you play defense, you get to the playoffs, I don't think it's a don't like James Hardin thing. I think we've all come to terms with what he is.

the great sports car, the convertible sports car in the NBA. There are just times. It just doesn't work. But when it's working, nobody looks cooler on the freeway. Nobody looks cooler and richer and more hip. Seeing the guy with sunglasses, convertible sports car, driving in L.A., one hand on the wheel, you're like, that is great. But December and January doesn't work.

And so I don't think it's media. we've come to a point in sports. We are so demanding on our professional athletes. It's not just about winning. It's when you win. And in the NBA, Michael Jordan changed everything. If you're not good in the last series of the year to us, you're overrated and just not that good.

So I don't buy into the James Hardin stuff. Kevin Durant's prickly. Kauai doesn't talk. Westbrook yells at us. 99% of NBA fans and media love those guys. James Hardenus simply let us down. By the way, Joy, Kaepernick, interested in it now? In him being in the league?

Yeah. I mean, are you thinking, I think it's interesting. I think it's gone back to being a really interesting topic. Well, I do think that there are, an apology is definitely necessary. A very public apology would go a long way towards validating what the NFL, what we're hearing from the NFL as far as where they stand on all these issues. And Goodell is saying that he should have listened to the players. Well, the player that started it is Kaepernick.

So he definitely deserves an apology. The reason he's been out of the league is wrong. And that should be given attention. But I do think that fair play and fair practices should stand in place as far as the competition goes. What happened to Kaepernick wasn't fair. So he should get an opportunity to play in the league again. And then once he's on a team, if he doesn't make it, then that's... Do you think he's good enough to be in the league now, four years out?

I know he's been training throughout these four years as if he is going to get a call at any moment. So he's always been consistent with I want to play and I want an opportunity to come back and I'm going to continue training. It's the off season. I want to see his practices. I'd love to see it. I am fascinated. And I said this, just on football, the quarterback position now is unbelievable. It's unbelievable.

There's like 12 really, really good young quarterbacks. But I don't think that he is expecting to come in and be a starter. And I don't think anyone is expecting him to come in and be a starter. But he should have an opportunity to play on an NFL team. And there's been plenty of examples of guys have been sitting on their couch for four or five years that the league has brought in back to be backup quarterbacks or third string quarterback. So the fact that he's not been playing for four years just means that he's not going to come. come in and be a starter. But he does deserve an opportunity to work in the NFL again because that was taken away from him unfairly. Once he makes the team and he doesn't, if he doesn't perform,

that's a different conversation. But having the opportunity is better than RG3 today. No, but RG3, that's not, that's not really the conversation about who he's better than. Teams only have two quarterback. They don't carry a third. New Orleans is rare. So I think RG3 is kind of a below average backup. I'm just talking football. But RG3 has been in that system for a few years. He's, he's, he, that makes a big difference. So whether or not he is better than RG3, being in the system and being around football and practices and all those things makes a difference. I think he's good enough to be a backup quarterback in the league and he

deserves an opportunity to do so. Once he makes a team, if he doesn't stay on the team or he's not good enough to make the team pass training camp or whatever up or stay on a team, that's a different conversation. that might be a result of him not being in the league for four years, which we can't take those four years away, but you can make it right by giving him an opportunity. All right. Coming up next, USC, Reggie Bush, together again. That's coming up.

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West. There are 78 million people in America, Denver West, 78 million. They have largely tuned out to a lot of college football because USC is no longer relevant. And now Reggie Bush, the infractions time, the NCAA, has an infractions rule that Reggie and USC could no longer be together. That rule, the jurisdictions run out. Reggie's back to go on campus, help USC. And it's interesting about college football. I love college football. In fact, when I first got a job at ESPN, my brand was college football.

I used to talk about it constantly. The sport's simply too lobsided now. about the coach, not the player. It's too regional. Alabama bores me. Clemson's talented, but mostly bores me. We talk about dabbo and Nick. Reggie Bush was the most scintillating college football player in the last 20 years.

I'm not saying the best. He was the most scintillating. He was the most glamorous. USC's dynasty is the last dynasty in college football where we talked about the players, not the coach. It wasn't that Pete Carroll wasn't wonderful. But to give you some idea, of what Reggie Bush did.

Overwhelmingly, 98% of big college football programs are in small towns. The coach is the highest paid state employee. Pete Carroll wasn't the highest paid guy in Los Angeles on his block. And Reggie Bush took over the city. We have NBA franchises here. We got two baseball teams, MLS. We got nothing but we got beaches. We got mountains.

We got shopping. We got Malibu. We got Laguna. We got pro teams. Reggie Bush took over the city. He was the coolest guy in Los Angeles. You would go to USC games and you'd see Will Smith, Will Farrell, Snoop Dog on the sidelines.

College football misses USC. They miss glamour. They miss a program where players mattered more than the coach. The only thing that's equivalent to it, in my opinion, is the Miami Hurricanes program. where we were into the dudes, not just the coach. Reggie is back. The sanctions against USC were outrageously unfair.

30 vacated scholarships, 14 vacated wins, two-year bull ban, because Reggie's parents in his last year were in a house that they weren't paying rent, and they essentially blew up the most important program, arguably west of the Mississippi. Great to have Reggie back. College football misses him.

I watch games for players. He took over the city of Los Angeles. He was cool. He was handsome. He looked like a rocket. His highlights, you had to watch early because sometimes he didn't play late. He didn't have to.

Welcome back. College football misses Reggie Bush. They miss USC and they miss Reggie Bush. I'll tell you that. Nick Wright is on this hour. Peter Schrager, Don Garber. The MLS is going to be back before the NBA. It's going to be back before the NHL.

The MLS is going to be back before Major League Baseball and their commissioner will be joining us. Here's Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, the Packers moved to draft Jordan Love in the first round has a lot of people wondering how much longer Aaron Rogers is going to be in Green Bay.

But Packers left tackle. David Bakhtiari, who's been working out with Rogers this offseason, says he has a lot left in the tank. We were out there running around today on our conditioning day. And I mean, guys still got his wheels. I'm proud of him on that end. And we still compete. And I know that fire still burns in him deep. And he still will, you know, in his own way, make sure that he'll still try and win in every facet.

So he's the most competitive person I've met. And, yeah, so I always expect the most out of them because I know that he can, at least for my expectations, that he can deliver on that end. I don't doubt that Aaron Rogers has a decent amount of years left playing at a high level. I just don't know if he's going to be playing them in Green Bay. Yeah, that's, that's, and for the record, we talked about to start the show about kind of this revolution in quarterback play where you're seeing these kids now that are given opportunities. Kyler Murray, nobody's drafting a five, eight, and a half, five, nine guy, 20 years ago. and it's really interesting because we have the old guys we know are good, right? Like Breeze and Brady.

And then we have these young scintillating stars. Aaron's kind of in that middle thing. He and Matt Ryan are kind of like, okay, I know they're good. But I look at Aaron and I think to myself, we now have a new business, Joy. Quarterbacks move now. They move now. And that didn't happen. No, it was not a thing at all.

Yeah, like, there's no such thing as NFL quarterback free agency. So, and I told you, I'm here for the Kaepernick tryout stuff. I think it's interesting. Wouldn't you like to see Aaron Rogers play for a Rams or a Chargers or an owner? I think the Packers are overall a great organization with a great fan base. Like they're not an organization that I ever think of as dysfunctional. I think they make some questionable personnel decisions from time to time. But it is a disadvantage playing.

there's a quarterback because they don't get free agents. It's like Buffalo. It's not a knock. I mean, I've never thought of Aaron Rogers is playing anywhere else, to be honest. But now that this is happening, oh my God. I'd love to see him play somewhere else. Oh, my God.

I am here for it. Aaron Rogers playing for, first of all, do we forget how fascinating Farve with the Vikings was? It took over the league for a year, two years. Farv was fascinating, playing against Green Bay. You and I just root for stories.

No, it would be an amazing story, no matter where he'd go. And I think he would be, I think he would still be great. Because Aaron Rogers is, Aaron Rogers is kind of in his own category. He is. Because he's not in that old guard, Philip Rivers, Tom Brady, Drew Breeze category. No. He's not in the younger category. And he's great.

So I wouldn't even, I would not put Matt Ryan on the same level as Aaron Rogers. Because Aaron Rogers is a much better quarterback than Matt Ryan. Like, Matt Ryan is. good. But Aaron Rogers, up until the Houston Super Bowl, we were having conversations about if Aaron Rogers was better than Tom Brady with far less hardware. So he's really in his own category to begin with. So James Winston might not have a starting job right now, but he's not counting himself out on getting another one in the future in an interview with Bleacher reports Tyler Donne. He showed how confident he is in his abilities. He said, I know what I'm worth

and I know day in and day out without publicly coming in and saying it, that historically I'm one of the best quarterbacks to play the game. Do I feel like I'm better than a lot of the starting quarterbacks in this league? I do. But God has a plan that I haven't even thought of yet. This is not over for me. Well, it isn't over for him. He's going to play again. There's no question he's going to play again.

Well, I mean, I would disagree with the historically... Yeah, that's a little much, but little over skis on that. But, I mean, you do have to have ultimate confidence in yourself if you are going to overcome anything or if you're going to be great at any level. So I don't have a problem with him saying that about himself. He did go vegan. He did.

And he got an eye surgery. He lost 17 pounds his off season and he also got LASIC. Which I'd never do, but good for him. I'm never going to go vegan and I'm never going to get LASIC.

You know what? I'll say this. We can all laugh at this stuff. This is not insignificant. No. James Winston looked at himself and said, I've got to get in better shape. I'm going to go vegan.

I'm going to get my eyes fixed. Like you can just laugh at this stuff. When you are trying to extend your career, this is what Brady did, he didn't eat avocado ice cream his first eight years in the league. It's not insignificant. second, he's a productive player. Now, he's productive for both teams,

but he is a productive professional athlete. I did not like James or Marriota coming into the draft. I didn't think, I didn't see what everyone else felt like they saw. I just felt like Marriota didn't have that it factor. And I felt like James was inconsistent, which pretty much matched

how he was in college. So to me, this is not a surprise that he is now in the situation that he's in. Now, maybe he's learned from all that inconsistency, and obviously he's taken major steps to extend his career, going vegan. And look, like, everyone gets really, like everyone freaked out about Kaepernick going going vegan.

And people always freak out when you hear vegan. Listen, I'm not going vegan unless a doctor tells me that my life depends on it. I have no intention on going vegan ever, unless that is the option. But everyone is different and everyone's body is different. What works for you doesn't necessarily work for me. So if he needed to lose 17 pounds and vegan was going to help him do that, great. The Lasix surgery, it seems like... Not going to happen.

Probably should have done that before. Yeah. But take the actions and the steps that you need to make the change. Uncle Colin will never allow a laser in two places. Eyes and you can figure out the other one. So the NBA has figured out how to finish the season. But what about starting the next one? Hux GM, Travis Schlank, said that the league is eager to stay as close to its original schedule as possible.

And to do this, they're considering a condensed schedule for the 2021 season to fit all 82 regular season. and games in. So they're eyeing December 1st to start the next season. I thought it was Christmas. Wouldn't that make more sense? That's what the report is now. Now, that's not a whole lot of time off for whatever team goes to the finals, which would end on October 12th, right?

So essentially, like, a little less than two months off. But that's fine, though. But that's for two teams. Yeah, yeah. So it would be like a full two months off for the teams that got knocked before that. That works for me. I don't mind them starting December 1st. December 1st or Christmas doesn't really matter to me, but that's going to be an intense season

to try and get all 82 games in there. I'll tell you, though, it's strange. This virus, this pandemic has been mostly bad. We would both agree on that. But, and we've said this, whenever a country goes through a crisis, there is, there's something that, you know, air safety today is better than it was pre-9-11. Like the quality of the security. Right. You have to make major adjustments. And sometimes you wouldn't have those opportunities except for a crisis unless forced to,

yeah, to make those changes. I think the NBA is much better served to be a late December to August 1st League. Get out of this. Once betting got legalized, the NFL, you don't even want to go up against them. It's just not even college football to Saturdays. Like, the NBA should just go, you know what, start a month later, start two months, six months weeks later and six weeks later. Are you going to tell me I'm not because it's July,

I'm not going to watch LeBron in the finals? Of course you are. It's too hot to go outside in most of the country. Well, even if it's too hot or you're on vacation, like, just because you're on, what do people do on vacation? They relax. At night with a beer. Right.

So this idea that you're on vacation, you're not going to watch televisions. Like, what are you doing? I think I watch more, I think I watch a ton of TV in the summer because often, I'm in, We're in California. Right. But if you're in the south of the Midwest of the Northeast, it's very hot outside. And you're just not, you're not going to do stuff all day. Right.

Like people still watch TV. I agree with you. I think this is an opportunity for them to adjust the season. It would really benefit them. Good stuff. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news.

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So Malcolm Jenkins said, listen, you owe Kaepernick an apology or you assign him to a football team. Well, we don't, that doesn't really work that way in the NFL assigning guys to a team. But it is interesting. Let's bring in Nick Wright brought to you by Mercedes-Benz, the, the, best or nothing, the host of First Things First. Let's bring him on, Nick, right? So it's interesting. I was saying this.

In my life, Nick, and I am a football guy, more than a basketball guy, though I love basketball. I've never seen this much talent at quarterback. I've never seen this much young talented quarterback. Virtually everybody drafted in the first round, not named Paxton Lynch works. Next year, two more superstar quarterbacks. I don't think Kaepernick's a starting quarterback anymore with three and a half years of inactivity. Is he a backup? I'm here for it.

I think it's going to be fascinating. I don't think we should walk on eggshells, either apologize, give him tryouts. Let me just ask you, is he good enough to be a quarterback in the NFL after three and a half years off, in your opinion? Well, listen, I think he's good enough to be one of the 75 guys that's on a roster. I mean, I agree we're in the golden age of quarterbacking, but the backup quarterback for this upcoming season for the defending Super Bowl champion Kansas Chiefs is Chad Hennie, who has thrown five passes since Cap was a starter. In the last four years, Cap might have missed three of them. He still managed to throw 330 passes in those four years. And he's thrown five.

And we are also seeing a shift stylistically to where more and more quarterbacks play Capp style. And early on in his blackballing, we were told, well, he can't back up this type of quarterback because you want your backup to be RG3 to Lamar. Well, there's a hell of a lot more of mobile quarterback. So you would think that would open. things up for him. But I'll tell you what I told Cap when I sat with him two years ago. He's never going to play in the NFL again. It's unfair. It's not right. But the NFL did,

I believe, blackball him. And now it has been too long. Now, would I be happy if my chiefs signed him? My chiefs who have made it very clear, we don't actually care about anything off the field, just help us win? Sure, I would. But this is, it's a sacrifice he shouldn't have had to make, but it's a sacrifice he did make, and I want to defend the NFL in this one regard, because I had someone asked me yesterday, can you take the NFL's and Roger Goodell's apology seriously if Cap doesn't get a job?

I think we will see by the NFL and by the owner's actions, contributions, tangible acts, how serious they are about this issue we're dealing with. I think we can give them credit if they do those things right, while also acknowledging that, listen, Cap got run out of the league for something he was right about and shouldn't have, but I don't think he ever plays again. I think it's unfortunate, but I think it's the reality.

By the way, your point stylistically is actually a fascinating one. The league is moving toward Kaepernick style. That's actually a very interesting point. There's a lot of teams, the Arizonas and the Baltimore, he would be a perfect fit. All right, I just knew this topic would get you worked up. So Darry is your friend. He's my friend, but, you know,

this blame the media on Hardin stuff, and I'm like, Kauai doesn't talk to the media and we love him. And KD is prickly with the media and we love him. And Westbrook yells at us and we like him. Hardin has just simply disappointed us in too many big postseason spots. And Michael Jordan ruined it for everybody. If you're not good in the postseason, we don't care about you. You're just not good.

And I think Hardin's style is problematic. By game 90, he's worn down. Am I unfair? Well, I think he has shown that he wears down a bit in the postseason. I think you're, when you say, hearing Colin Coward say, the media loves Russell Westbrook, well, someone should tell Colin Coward that. That'll be great news for Russell Westbrook to hear.

I don't know that I think the media loves Kevin Durant either. Now, he did a lot of that to himself. Here's the deal on Hardin. Here's where I think you're wrong. 2015, he had two awful playoff moments. You mention him. Game six, a win against the Clippers where he's on the bench for the comeback. And then the next round, game five against the Warriors, the Rockets were overmats, but he was awful.

He had 12 turnovers in that game. It was a disaster. Since then, so we're not talking about four seasons. He's had one awful playoff moment. Game six against the Spurs, and I'm telling you, Colin, go back and watch game five of that series. He got concussed. You think I'm joking when I say that. He clearly got concussed at the very end of game five, tried to play through it in game six,

was not himself. That's his only in the last four and a half years, awful playoff moment. They're up three to on the Warriors. His second best player gets hurt. He scored, I think, 33 in the game seven of that series. Last year, he gets crushed because they lost to a Warriors team

that didn't have Kevin Durant for the last five quarters of that series. Kauai Leonard gets anointed by everyone as the next best player in the league for what he did against a beat-up Warriors. Both Kawhi and Hardin played six games against the Warriors last year in the playoffs. Hardin averaged more points, more assists on a better field goal percentage against the nearly fully healthy team.

Kauai was playing Jordan Bellin friends and gets finals MVP and he's told he's the king of L.A. He was worse than Hardin was against the same team except the competition he had was inferior. So I just think we're a little two results oriented. at the end of the day, James Harden, five years in Houston for the last five years, he's lost to the Warriors. Everyone lost to the Warriors, and he was the best player on the only team to take the healthy Warriors even six.

He took him seven. If they win the title this year, Colin, he's one of the 20 greatest players of all time. How about that? Like, if he gets a ring, then you can't deny the 34 points a game, 36 points a game, the four separate times he's been first or second in MVP voting. But they got to win a title for, you know, folks like you, the Count the Rings Generation to give him credit. Yeah, Jordan spoiled you.

Yeah, winning sort of matters to me. Crazy, crazy me. All right, two quarterback questions. One, you don't like Carson Wentz as much as I do. The guy has played with injured O lines, no receivers, deck chairs, lawn furniture, and just keeps getting to the playoffs. So let's start with this. Why are you not a Wentz fan?

It's not that I'm not a Wins fan. I'm a Wince realist. Listen, I said today on television, there are six quarterbacks who were objectively, without question, better than him. I think you might only disagree with one. Mahomes, Russell, Lamar, Deshawn, Breeze, Rogers. Those six are better. Now, you might say he's not, Rogers isn't, but you probably would have Brady better than all of them because he's your best friend. I think, so either. I think Carson Wentz is better than Drew Breeze. Absolutely. Absolutely. Right now? Absolutely. Yeah, so, okay, so you think he's the top five quarterback in the league.

I think he is in the tier of quarterbacks along with Kurt Cousins, Matt Ryan, Dak Prescott, that 7 to 12 range. Oh, boy. I think he might be at the top of that range, but there's no insult there. There's no shade there. And by the way, he has had great offensive lines, great defensive lines, great, not great receivers. I will give you that throughout his time there. I like Wintz. I think Wins is probably the best quarterback in his division. I know DAC fans get mad at that. Probably. But I don't, this idea that

he is, he is a no question blue chipper. I need to see a touch more. I think that's fair. By the way, last three years, I don't count rookie years, last three years with Aaron Rogers. And Aaron's got a better star receiver in Avani Adams and a better star back in Aaron Jones. They both have offensive coaches and both have had good enough offensive lines. Wentz with Aaron Rogers. More wins, more completion percentage, more touchdowns, better passer rating. Doesn't have a star receiver, doesn't have a star back, both have offensive coaches. I think he's better than Aaron Rogers today.

I think he's better than Drew Breeze today. And I think he's better than Deshawn Watson as a thrower of the football today. But let me segue to the other quarterback. Take three minutes. Every year in this league, you called it last year with Buffalo. there's a pop team. I think Denver's my pop team. Drew Locke will pop second year. Lamar, Mahomes, and Wentz, very average rookie stats popped in year two to take over the league. You think I'm nuts on Drew Locke and Denver potentially winning the division. Why?

Yeah, yeah, listen, you're right. Guys do pop in year two. I see that. And if you were saying Kyler was going to do it with the addition of DeAndre Hopkins, fine. But like, Drew Locke, the idea that he and the Broncos are going to be, you know, contenders in the division is so utterly laughable to me. The folks in Denver are mad at me on all fronts. They're mad at me because I don't like their basketball team because I'm a crazy person who thinks your star basketball player should be in shape and not have the GM shock that he worked out over quarantine.

And I think their football team's going to stink this year. I haven't winning three games. If you want to look for a pop team, what about the Miami-Diombs? dolphins with Tua? What about the Chicago Bears when you get the albatross of Mitch Trabisky removed from the necks of the offense? I think you're right. There will be a surprise team. I just don't see it with Denver. And the idea that they went in the draft and said, we're going to try to outscore Kansas City. Okay, good luck with that. I watched Drew Locke when he was at the University of Missouri. There's a reason he was a mid-second round pick.

Like, okay, good luck with it. And this is going to be an all-time. where Colin was wrong when the Broncos are limping at four in ten if you're lucky and and I get to replay for you, you saying they can be a dark horse in the division. By the way, I want to throw that Kaepernick video up again. Your point on the stylistic thing is actually very, very good. The league is, I never thought about this. It's a really good point. As I was, as Nick was talking about this and I was watching the Kaepernick video, I'm like,

oh yeah, that is 2020 NFL. This is, it's a really good point. stylistically, the league is moving toward him. So my bad. I think he can make a team. I think he can. I had a bad lead today. No, I think it's a great point.

I watched that video as Nick talked. And I'm like, yeah, that's kind of where we're going. You know what? You finally got one there. That was pretty good one there, Nick. Finally got one. I'll talk to you later. Goodbye.

Nick, right. First thing, first thing. Finally got one. I mean, he just sneaks one of those fastballs in occasionally past me. I thought that was actually a very, very good point. Reggie Bush later today. No, he was sitting there talking, I'm watching the video, and I'm like, that's kind of 2020. I mean, he was, he was different.

That was why he was so electric. He was kind of ahead of his time. By three and a half years not playing. God, it's forever. Three and a half years of not. I mean, no one's asking him to be a starter. All right. Just a job.

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I think it's going to be fascinating to watch. And it's their chance for two to three weeks to get all this love from the media. We will talk about it. We will watch it. I think it's very good for them. that's coming up in 40 minutes. Joy Taylor is joining me. Joy, how are you?

I'm doing good, Colin. Doing good. So, you know, I saw this. You know, Fox Bet put this out, the values of quarterbacks above their replacement level backup. We were talking about Kaepernick backing up and that stuff. So the average backup in the NFL,

and I don't know who the average backup is. I think Marcus Marriota is way above average. Andy Dalton's above average. James Winston's way above average. Who's an average backup? Gino Smith? Seattle? Is that, that's kind of, I mean, start it.

Yeah. That's about, that's about average. He always has a job, but pretty average. So, Gino Smith, how many points are players worth above kind of average backup quarterback? So the top guys, pretty obvious. Mahomes, Russell, Wilson, Breeze, Rogers, Matt Ryan, Lamar Jackson, all touchdown or more. That makes sense. Let's go to the middle.

The middle guy. I'm not going to give you all of them. Let's go to the middle guy. It's like Kirk Cousins, Gough, Mayfield, Derek, Carr, Josh, and about half that, four, four and a half points. And let's go to the very bottom. The last guy, Jarrett Stidham, minus one and a half. I know we love our football coaches,

but New England's going to have to come to terms with this. It's a six and ten football season. That's what you're going to have. I want you to think about this. Bill Walsh is considered the smartest offensive guy ever. Before Joe Montana was given the franchise, He was six and 18 with the Niners. They couldn't score.

Joe Montana was the catalyst for all that. Chuck Knoll, when I was a kid growing up in the 70s, he was the great coach. In the 20 games he coached before Terry Bradshaw was the quarterback, he was 3 and 17. Then he won a bunch of Super Bowls with Bradshaw. Then Bradshaw left. He never won 10 games again. Eight years, two playoffs. Sneaks in.

Pete Carroll before Russell Wilson fired twice and his record was below 500. Okay. Bill Belichick, Cleveland, New England before Brady took over, 41 and 57. We all get this, right? The player. I know we love our coaches. I get it. We love our coaches. It ain't the coach. Coach matters. Andy Reid's great. The catalyst. Y'all out there are saying for years Andy Reid was overrated. Nobody says that anymore. Why? Did he change her to get Patrick Mahomes? John Harbaugh was almost fired two years ago. Now it's like, Joy and I are like, maybe the second best coach in the league.

Would he get smarter or do you get Lamar Jackson? Folks, Greg Popovich, the year before Tim Duncan was 17 and 47th. Doc Rivers was fired by the Orlando Magic, was 24 and 58 in Boston. He was dreadful. He was going to get fired again. And then a thing called Ray Allen and KG happened. I know we love our coaches. New England's not going to be any good.

They're the lowest rated quarterback. They got no weapons. The division's better. Buffalo is a real football team. I think Miami and the Jets are better than people think, especially Miami. Got to come to terms of this. The people betting in Vegas, and they build big casinos based on being right more than wrong. Them is the lowest rated quarterback in the league.

and I'm a Patriot Homer, right? I'm Mr. Patriot. Let's go to this. So I saw one of those bloggers out there. I think this is the big lead. Finally, America is coming to its senses. As I said yesterday, I was the first sportscaster that said four years ago. It ain't Richard Sherman.

It's not the Leeds in Doom. It's not Pete Carroll. It's not Marshaun Lynch. Russell Wilson is the game changer here. It took people a long time. And now in the last year, the rest of you, the Peter Kings, the media, traditional media people are like, yeah, that guy's like wildly underrated. Yeah, it's my life.

This is the burden of being brilliant. So the big lead pointed out something that I don't even give Carson Wentz credit for because I don't really, I don't think interceptions are that, I mean, nobody wants them. But I want my quarterback to let a rip. Eli Manning throws picks, Peyton Manning through pigs, Breeze is throwing picks, Matt Ryan throws picks. I'm not, Andrew Luck threw a bunch of picks. The bottom line, if you throw one a game in 29 attempts, I'm okay with it, as long as you don't throw it deep in your own territory. It can be a punt on certain times.

I don't think interceptions define the great quarterbacks. Namath, Bradshaw, Aikman, they all threw them. But they came up with this stat. Carson Wentz doesn't throw picks. In 2019, Wence became the first quarterback in league history. History. To throw 20 or more touchdowns in seven or fewer picks in three straight seasons. It'd never been done, even by Aaron Rye.

And I say that because Aaron Rogers is considered the quarterback who doesn't throw picks and is one of the only quarterbacks in the league that throws fewer picks than Carson Wentz. So let's use Aaron Rogers as an example if you think Carson Wentz is overrated. Last three years, I take out the rookie year for quarterbacks. Wence has Aaron beat in record, touchdowns, completion percentage, and passer rating. And Rogers has better star receiver, better star running back. They both had offensive-minded coaches. So that to me is a wash. Here's the reality of quarterbacks, and this is the way we do it.

There's four boxes you got to check. And if you don't get to that last one, we kind of roll our eyes. The four boxes are the talent box. Wentz has clearly checked it. Just watch him play. Watch him at the end of last year. Working with nothing, got him to the playoffs. There's the stats box.

Well, he's done that. 81 touchdowns, 21 picks last, you know, three years. The winning box. Can you get your team to the playoffs? Last year's another example, yes. And then there's a Super Bowl box, and he hasn't checked that one. But outside of Mahomes, tell me a guy playing in this league at quarterback four years or fewer who's checked all four. There's one.

There's one. It's Patrick Mahomes. The talent, the stats, the leading to the playoffs, and the Super Bowl. That's it. No other quarterback last four years except Mahomes checks all. We like Lamar Jackson, never won a playoff game. So, you know, I like Deshaun Wantson. The Sean Watson with great receivers last year threw for 3,800 yards, 26 TDs.

And I like Watson. Wentz is better. I told you before. You guys can argue four through 20. Three quarterbacks today in the NFL lead my franchise. Mahomes one, Wilson two, Wentz three. You can argue over the rest. I think he's, and again, just like Russell Wilson, you're going to come groveling back and to apologize to me.

This is what's going to have. This is what happened. Eventually you apologized. You were so mean to me. on Andrew Luck. And eventually, everybody apologized, Russell Wilson. And you're just going to be about a year from now. And you're all going to apologize me. You're going to feel terrible about it.

You're not going to sleep at night. You're going to like, Uncle Colin was right again. You know, this is sometimes you, you know, when you're ahead of everybody on stuff, this is your reality. And I'm slowly convincing Joy Taylor, Carson Wentz is great. You're not really, a lot of people aren't even going to... I like Carson West. I think he's very talented. I like.

I like Carson Went. Chris Rock. You like him or is he really funny? I mean, Chris Rock has has quite a bit longer resume than Carson Wentz. We're just like comparing professionally. I just... Is he great or is he... He's great. Oh, yeah, of course.

I'm not ready to call Carson Wentz great. That's okay, right? I have to call Carson Wentz great right now. No, I'm saying your description is America's description. It is okay. You know what's okay? I didn't say he was okay. I said he was good.

Here's what's okay. Strawberry ice cream. That's okay. I happen to love strawberry ice cream. Well, most people don't. No, I mean. I mean, that's true. Most people don't like strawberry ice cream.

Actually, I like strawberry milkshakes more than strawberry ice cream. Do you like, there's a lot of okay? When you lump him into okay. I didn't say he was okay. I said he's good. I like him. I don't love him. So you don't consider him like Mercedes or Tesla or you don't consider him great.

You consider him, I'm not even going to rip on a car dealer. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. You think he's okay. Like I love. Key Optima. I love Russell Wilson. I love Lamar Jackson. I love Tom Brady still. Aaron Rogers.

Carson Wentz is better than Tom Brady today. Yes, he is. He's better than Drew Breeze. You don't think so? I just, can I see a little bit more before I fall in love? Can I just take it slow? How many times do you have to see Chris Rock on stage? I think he's really talented.

I think he's good. Dave Chappelle, great or good? Great, beyond great. Legendary. Elite. Elite, yes. But like, so look, Carson Wentz is a good quarterback. He earned my respect last year with what he was able to do.

I had a corn dog for dinner. But I also thought that the division was way down. There was not a lot of competition in that division last year. The Cowboys grossly underperformed. Good is a corn dog. I haven't seen a corn dogs are disgusting. I haven't eaten a hot dog since I was like 10 years old out of protests for hot dogs. Almost everything in life is good.

The goods everywhere. He's also, he's also been injured, which I don't love. She's sprained an ankle once. Guy sprains an ankle. He's judged for life. I'm not judging him. I'm just saying I think he is good. Okay, so let's go to the NBA.

How Nick described him is perfect. I would put him in that category with Dak, with Matt Ryan. So now you're citing with Nick. Clint Capella is a good NBA player. You're saying Carson Wentz is Clint Capella. There's a spectrum. Just because you can be at the high end of a spectrum or a low end of a spectrum and still be in a different category.

If you're a Yankee fan, Goulet, who's the outfielder of Brett? What's his name for the Yankees? Gardner. He's a good player. So Carson Wentz is... He's at the high end of the good quarterbacks. So give me a high end good baseball player. Why is this so offensive?

He's great. He's really good. Now you've moved off good. Because there can be a spectrum. It doesn't have to be like this or that. I just think that when you go into the top tier, next level, I think he is good. I think I need to see consistency with his body, first of all. And then

he's good. You know, wins some playoff games. Corn Dog. Brett Hudler. What's his name again? Gardner? Greg Gardner. What's Brett Gardner's batting average against great pitchers, by the way? He beats up on average pitchers. What's he hit? I bet he hits 215 against great pitchers. I don't know that they have a stat for against great pitchers. They should. Or good pitchers in this argument. Once again, this light never

I mean, you can't admit that the division was down last year, right? You know. The Giants in Washington were disaster. The Cowboys underperformed, and that doesn't take away from what he was able to do with the massive amount of injuries that he had. You know, you're right. He's just good. He's just a

corn dog and cleats. He's just good. I had a steak last night. Great. That was Carson Wentz. Well, he was good. I mean, when you dig in on the quarterback, though, you can't be moved. He's mac and cheese. That's good.

Mac and cheese is one of the best foods on earth. Do you know a lot of people who don't like mac and cheese? My son. Okay, well. What you asked me? I'm just giving you an answer. Okay, Shreger. Okay, I, whatever.

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We know coaches are allowed back in, but what are some of the questions now remaining protocol, what's allowed and what's not right now? Well, there are huge questions remaining, Colin. First of all, when is training camp going to start? The teams still do not know if training camp's going to start on time, what that's going to look like, and how it's going to look in July. You know, there's right now a lot of teams just said, we're closing up shop. Everyone go and do your own thing.

Cutting the offseason OTAs a little early and people are saying, well, why are they doing that? Why are they doing it? The reason is teams don't necessarily know when they're going to be asked to come back. It could be August. It could be July, as we expected. It could be late August. So a lot of teams are like, go get your rest while we know we don't have to be back because there's been no communication.

There was also a memo that went out with some guidelines for these stadiums and for these locker rooms and facilities. Colin, it says they would ideally have lockers that are six feet apart from each other. You've been in some of these visiting locker rooms. Teams are put all on top of each other. Six feet apart seems unlikely. So you say, okay, how much would that cost to redesign our facility? or redesign our stadiums. If you're talking stadiums, you want to get to next level.

And you know, I love talking about finances and the economics of it. Who pays for that? Because in a lot of cases, it's cities and states who are the ones funding stadiums and funding renovations. Are the taxpayers paying for the rebuilding of a locker room?

And the last question with that, Colin, which we could talk about, if we're going to hit each other and tackle and play football for 60 minutes, does it really matter if our lockers are six feet apart? We just hit each other for 60 minutes, straight and we're breathing on top of each other. So there's a lot of questions these teams still have. Right now, the NFL is saying, let's go forward with the schedule. But that's what we said

in March. As we said in April and we did it, we're now less than a month away from when some training camps are supposed to start. The teams want answers. The league right now is still trying to see and wait and see. There hasn't been official communication as to when these things are going to kick off yet. And a lot of people are antsy, like at least give us a drop dead date of when we're at least going to come back. They don't have that right now. So certainly a lot of questions as to the reopening of the NFL officially. Covering the NFL since 2005. Peter Schrager is joining me.

So Aaron Rogers, not in the PFF top 50. Now, whether or not we agree with that, they did make a very interesting data point on Aaron Rogers. They said week eight on, he was 17th in the league, if you look at the data on quarterbacks. That's with Devonte Adams. That's with a good offensive coach. That's with Aaron Jones.

They usually have at least a moderate to good offensive line. I just wonder when you talk to people about PFF. I like them. They like Baker Mayfield more than I do. I would have had Rogers in my top 50, but is part of this Jordan Love draft? He's declining. It's obvious, right?

Yeah, look, PFF gets a lot of respect around the league, and most teams use their services and pay a handsome sum to use those services, I might add. But this is not the only measure. I mean, there's also all sorts of intangible stuff that you don't get on PFF,

and it's Aaron Rogers' mobility. Aaron Rogers in the clutch. Aaron Rogers' ability to take your team on the road in a tough situation and look to a young squad of receivers like Marquez Valdez Scantling and Geronimo Allison last year and saying, we need you guys and I'm going to get you there. I mean, Rogers does things that might not show up in the analytics. And I think even the PFF guys would say, here are numbers. There are a lot of things that our analytics don't account for.

Aaron Rogers is not just a top 50 player in the league. Aaron Rogers is a top five player in the league. And that is with analytics or not. That is just what it is. If you were asking 32 general managers, which quarterback they want to start week one with, Aaron Rogers, if not the top three is certainly in the top five. And I'll stand behind that. And the Jordan loves pick, well, Aaron Rogers is also going to be 40 years old in a couple of years.

We've got to start looking towards the future. I think one thing is unrelated. I don't think Aaron Rogers dropped off at all last year. In fact, they went 13 and 3 with a team that without Aaron Rogers a year before completely missed the playoff race. Jared Stidham is the last ranked quarterback in the NFL, according to wins above replacement. That's by Fox Bet. He's minus 1-5.

Now, we all know the Mahomes and the Lamar's and the Russles are like worth a touchdown or more. And we all kind of figure Jared Goff and a Kurt Cousins and Baker Mayfield are worth more than a field goal. But when you get down to that, why is it so hard for us to acknowledge that Bill Walsh had a losing record before Joe Montana took over? Chuck Knoll was 3 and 17 before Bradshaw took over. Belichick was fired and had a losing record before Brady. Pete Carroll's career record before Russell Wilson was sub-500. The catalyst for this stuff is the quarterback, and the reality is Jarrett Stidman, no weapons,

is a 6-10 football team. Are we nuts? I don't know. I don't know. Here's where I go back to it. We could also do the argument that if Phil Jackson didn't have Michael Jordan and didn't have Scotty Pippen, and then Shaq and Kobe, do they win with any coach?

Well, maybe. This is the classic example of quarterback versus coach and system. Because it's not just Belichick and Brady. You also have to remember, it's Josh McDaniels. It's a defense that is one of the leading defenses in the entire NFL. And I said this last time I spoke with you,

there is optimism in that building that Stidham, though he will never be Tom Brady, who is the greatest quarterback of all time in my book, and is certainly a better quarterback right now than Jared Sidham. Sidham does things that Brady couldn't. And that's mobility in the pocket. He might have a stronger arm. and it gives them an opportunity to try new things that you can't game plan for because you've never seen it out of the Patriots offense.

I'll just say this. They're excited about Jared Statham. I would think if they heard you say six and ten, and that goes to players and coaches who I've spoken to within that building, they would say that would be a disappointment for us. They're not looking at six and ten. They're looking at a chance to win the AFCE's title, and that's not just because of Belichick. It's because they like the quarterback and they really like the rest of the guys around them. So yesterday I said Drew Locke, every year it feels like in the last half,

decade, a quarterback pops in the league off a kind of undistinguished rookie year. I think it's Drew Locke. I got a ton of pushback on it. And if you look at Lamar's rookie stats or Mahomes' one game stats or Carson Wentz first year stats, locks are better. He's more efficient. He has a better passer rating. When you talk to people around the league with Drew Locke, I think Denver's my pop team.

What are you here? I don't see it. I don't see it yet. Here's the thing. And Colin, I love that you went out on that limb. and I love that you even said that they might challenge Kansas City. I think that's very bold. It's easy to say the chiefs are going to go 12 and 4 and win the division.

It's not easy to do what you did. But I don't know what the chemistry is like with Drew Locke and Jerry Judy and Hamler, who's the other rookie or maybe even no offense because there's been no off season for these teams in the building. So they have a new offensive coordinator. Pat Schumer's the offensive coordinator. They're telling me that Drew Locke, who was a second round pick last year, is going to not only learn an entire new off.

execute that entire new offense, but his number two and number three receiver, Judy and Camel are supposed to all, KJ Hamler, are supposed to all sudden have this great chemistry out of the gates. I would be very surprised if the Broncos win the AFC West. And I would be very surprised if they are lights out from go. I just think there's too many different changes going on this offseason with the coronavirus situation, but also with a new offensive coordinator and two very important new weapons, let alone a team that hasn't been to the playoffs. very, very, I guess since the Super Bowl, I think. I mean, this is what we're looking at right now.

You can't just tell me that they're going to snap their fingers and suddenly pop when there's been no continuity from last year. Finally, I said this, NFL teams largely take two quarterbacks. That's it. That's what they take now, mostly. It's the best quarterback era I ever remember. Young quarterbacks are better earlier than ever. Elite 11 camps, seven-on-seven last 10 years.

It's just, I've never seen anything like it. Capardick's not played for three and a half years, just on football. forget everything else, just football. Can you not play quarterback competitively in this league for three and a half years and then even be a backup? Am I nuts on this thinking I'm not

sure he, I guess he's better than somebody, but I mean, what is your takeaway on the inactivity for three and a half years? Is he, in your opinion, an NFL quarterback? Just football talking? It's an unprecedented situation. I don't have a long history

of quarterbacks who took three and a half years out of the league. And I'm not going to say took because that seems like it's his voluntary decision, who have been out of the league for three and a half years for whatever reasons and have come back and be able to make a team. And yet, he deserves a chance to try for that. I mean, this is the time. So he'll go into a training camp. I would assume that there's going to be at least open ears and open eyes after this last few weeks, which have been incredible for the NFL and for America writ large. I would assume that he gets an invite. I would hope he would get an invite to at least a training camp and get a chance to earn it. The question is,

because I've heard that Colin Kaepernick's been working out and it's so hard on your own and not being in a building, not having the resources of a facility, not having quarterback coach, not having a quarterback room. But even last year when he had that workout in the middle of the season and then he went to the high school and did that, Kaepernick looked good. He looked like he was in shape. He looked ripped and he was throwing the ball well. So if you're worried about the physical deterioration of a quarterback, well, I don't, I didn't see that in that workout. If you're worried about the mental and learning it. Well, Colin Kaepernick was doing stuff that Lamar Jackson and Deshawn Watson and guys like Carson

Wentz were doing last year with the mobile quarterback bootleg waggle stuff before everybody was doing it when he was there in the offense in San Francisco. I've never seen a quarterback be out of the league for this long and jump right back in. But Colin, if anyone can do it, I think it might be Colin Kaepernick because his game was a predecessor to all the stuff we're seeing now. it suits today's game more than ever. I think Colin Kaepernick can get back in the league, and I do think he can make a team. Yeah.

You know, when you watch him and you look at him, it's really, the stylistically is a really good point. It's fair. I'll tell you something. I would want to watch the tryouts. I've said that before. Absolutely. I want to watch NBA practice.

I want to watch NFL practice. I think it's really interesting. Just from a football standpoint, regardless of your opinion on Kaepernick, from football, three and a half years out, come back in. If he can make a team, that is something. What a testament it would be to him.

who kept in shape and kept the vision alive to do it. Look, I don't root for it. I would love to see some more open-mindedness on this situation if that's exactly what it was that was closing those opportunities from him. Good stuff, buddy. Good talking to you, Shregs. Peter Schrager. Love seeing you, Colin.

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Joy Taylor with the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Sponsored by Mercedes-Benz, the best or nothing. Well, the Mavericks are one of the 22 teams returning to Orlando to finish the NBA season. Yeah. And like many players during the shutdown, Luca Donchich had some trouble finding ways to stay in shape. His trainer said most players struggle to stay in shape.

Donchich is no exception. He is not in the best shape, which is normal. There is enough time to help him recover and get ready. training alone is not enough. He needs to begin practicing with his teammates. He can play with his group of countrymen in Slovenia, but it's not like training alongside his teammates in Dallas. I think you're going to, I think this is like a thing. Like for young players, if you don't have the home and the workout facility, like LeBron's got a gym at his house. I don't even think it's necessarily young, young players that don't have a gym in your house. I mean, if you're not

building your own mega mansion, why? I mean, maybe you have a little. I mean, maybe you have a court in your driveway, of course, but like, why would you have a court in your house? You go every day to a practice facility. Yeah. Maybe you just want your house to be your sanctuary in your house, not to mention. And some cities, there's really not a kind of space to build houses like that. Even if you are in the top tier of paid guys. I mean, Los Angeles, like, unless you built a house, like, you literally built your own house with a, with a whole court inside of it, you're not just throwing.

a court up, there's where? There's no space. It's like you can be, at the top tier, you can be LeBron and not have a court. You might have a hoop in your driveway. So I don't even know if it's the young guys. To me, it's, you're not going to be in basketball shape, right? You're not going to be in high impact, high cardio, stop and go shape. Even if you run and you do sprints every day, the stop and go type of cardio that you do when you play basketball at a high level is not comparable to that. But I do think that veteran players are going to have an advantage over young,

players because they simply know what their off-season routine is. They've been doing this for long enough that even if they aren't necessarily in the gym, they know how and what their body is supposed to feel like when they're coming back into camp. When you're younger, you know, you just feel good. You don't, you stay up all night, you sleep two hours, you wake up feeling the same way as if you slept 10 hours. So your body just doesn't know what it necessarily needs yet. So I think that the veteran players are going to have a huge advantage coming into the camps. So kind of big news.

Tyson Fury's next challenge is still to complete the trilogy with Deonté Wilder, which we are hearing reports are going to happen at the end of the year. But Fury announced today that he already has a blockbuster matchup after that lineup. He announced that he has a two-fight deal that has been agreed to with fellow British boxer Anthony Joshua. And that will take place in 2021. I thought we had his announcement, but it is not on here right now. So maybe we don't. Okay.

Well, the three people that I want to watch in the heavyweight division are Joshua, Fury, and Wilder. So at least I get this. One of my frustrations with boxing historically, they never give you the fight you want. Right. I never got Foreman Tyson. I wanted that thing for five years. I never got it. A lot of people were wanting to see this fight before the next Wilder fight, but they already have an agreement for three fights, Wilder and Fury.

So they are going to finish that trilogy, likely by the end of the year. And then they have now this two-fight deal in place with Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury, which is, which is really big. By the way, it feels like boxing's making a comeback. Absolutely. Last three years. Absolutely. And a big part of that is you have interesting great fighters in the heavyweight division.

So Fury is the reigning WBC and lineal heavyweight champion. And Joshua is the WBO, WBA, and IBF heavyweight champion. So if they both retain their titles, it would set the stage for a unified heavyweight champion for the first time in 20 years, which is a really big deal. We'll talk more about this on Joy Chat at 3.30 p.m. Eastern on caffeine, free app. go download it and subscribe to the Fox Sports channel. Finally, MLB and the players are slowly working towards an agreement to start the season after the league proposed a 76 game season with 75% pro-rated pay earlier this week. The players union reportedly countered with an 89 game season and full pro-rated pay. The proposal also includes a 16-team postseason in 2020 and 2021.

And the MLBPA's proposal also included a $5 million fund to assist minor leaguers. and charitable organizations focused on social justice initiatives. So I imagine whatever agreement that the MLBPA and MLB reaches, it will still include that $5 million. Owners do not want baseball in November. The thing I took from this, owners are worried about a second wave virus. They want the season wrapped up by...

Well, also, I mean, second wave virus, it's cold in November. It's freezing. Yeah. Play baseball outside. It's not an ideal weather. So, I mean, unless you're in Florida. owners are saying September 27th is the drop dead regular season date. So that tells me you better figure this thing out in about three days.

At this point, I just hope that they figure something out to get baseball back. That's where I am now. I'm fully on the player's side. I think it's the owners that have to deal with it financially this go-round. But I just hope we get baseball back. Agreed. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news.

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Hey, Ms. Parker. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Well, they beat everybody back. They beat hockey. NBA Major League Baseball by a long shot. July 8th, the MLS is back in a World Cup style format in Orlando and their commissioner since 1999.

Don Garber is joining us via the Coward Global Satellite Network, worked in the NFL for years in marketing. And, you know, these are, these are interesting times, Don. Was there ever a moment that you were concerned that you wouldn't have a season? You know, Colin, there were more moments that I could even count. This was a challenge on so many different levels. levels, managing through the global pandemic, ensuring we had the right medical protocols in place, ensuring we had an agreement with our players getting a deal done with Disney, ensuring that we

were able to put it together in a compelling way. So games that will be on Fox and our other national broadcasters that will be unique, this World Cup type tournament is going to be fun. It's going to be played with multiple games a day for a very concentrated period of time. And we're just excited about it. And Colin, so many people work so hard, including our players, to work with us to kind of come to an agreement on this. So we can't wait to get going on July 8th. It's going to be fun to be back. One of the things that I think the MLS has done brilliantly well is your venues. It's almost like you built a bar just small enough to always look crowded. 22,000 seats. It's got a very European feel to it. I don't see vast sections of no people. I'm a season ticket holder.

LAFC, it is intense. It feels European. Will there be fans? Because I think that's such a part of your brand. Can you do any fans right now? No, you really can't, Colin. And the best we're going to be able to do is create an environment and around these games at Disney that will have virtual technology for both commercial reasons, but also for some fan reasons. We're working on creating ways to bring our supporters into the experience. You know, the German Bundesliga did a number of creative things to try to have fans be a part of it, whether through crowd noise or other types of technology. You know, think about what you could do with Zoom technology to have fans in the end zone

on a big screen and participating live. And we've seen so much of this in this digital, new digital world where comedians are performing, talk shows are performing without audiences, so many of us are going to have to deal with a unique way of expressing our brand and expressing our product without fans in the stadium. We're thinking these as studio games as opposed to games in our stadiums. And we're going to do the best we can. We're excited about it. We think it'll be unique. And then we'll get back in our stadiums as quickly as we can.

When you work for the NFL, part of your job was NFL international. So you have a global understanding of sports. and the MLS is, I would say a lot like hockey and that it's really an international sport and you run the domestic league. Did that create challenges because the virus was different, the intensity was different on different continents in different countries? Did that add difficulty to it? Well, what a great question, Colin.

I mean, yes. It starts with players who are 30% of our player pool are international players and the challenges of them being here having to stay at home so they can be protected, that they can be regularly checking in with their team and with their team doctors, being away from their families who are at home. And as you know, COVID is having so many different,

the timing of it rolling out across the rest of the world is just enormously hard to manage for those people who are away from their families. At the same time, we had the benefit of being close to the Bundesse. League and La Liga and Syria and the English Premier League, close to the various confederations that oversee the sport and the association of international leagues that are ahead of us. So the COVID came to Europe before it came here.

So I'm in touch more with the head of the Bundesliga than I am with the commissioners of all the leagues here because they've been managing through this and getting back to play and managing testing and managing the relationships that they have. with their local authorities and the local governments. When I look at the opportunity here, you're the first in by probably three weeks. Do you believe that you could, if not steal, you could create new fans because of a scarcity that, you know, America's always had this machismo. There's one football, and you've got to battle that nonsense constantly.

My buddies are all MLS fans, but there is this block of people in America that just, You say soccer and it's not ours. Do you think you can open eyes to people in this three-week time period that you're what's on television, Dawn? Well, I certainly hope so, Colin. And we're going to work hard to create an environment, albeit one without the drama of what you experienced when you go to an LAAFC game. Great players throughout our league, many of them world-class stars, many of them young American players that are playing in U.S. national teams and our senior national team, guys that believe in our league, they believe in the sport in the United States and Canada. And we'll be out in front of our fans and future fans

before others. We tried to get out even earlier. You know, this was a challenging project to put together to bring almost 2,000 people down to Disney for four or five weeks to play games multiple times a day and to do it in a way where you're keeping everybody safe and healthy. But But, boy, we're certainly hoping that when we get out there, instead of probably watching a baseball league from a foreign country, you're going to tune in to Major League Soccer and see what makes our league so great. How often did you talk to players on this? Because, I mean, they're the ones that are out there. Soccer is sort of uniquely built. You use your feet, not your hands.

The goalie's got a glove. I do think it's mostly spread out. I think the sport outdoors uniquely built to withstand, you know, we don't have a vaccine yet, to withstand. stand a virus. I really do think it's a unique sport. We've seen European League start back up. Did you go to the star players like the NBA? Who did you talk to of your great athletes? Who were you just having discussions with? Well, Con, it was challenging, to be fair. In the middle of all of this, we were trying to finalize a new collective bargaining agreement. And I know I've watched your show and watched

you all today. I know there's all sorts of discussions about what's happening with other leagues to get their players to agree to a new normal for 2020 till we're able to get some semblance of the normal we lived through or believed in and were managing through before the pandemic started. So yes, I've had conversations with players. Many of them had a lot of issues. We were able to work through those issues. Our players took a very small adjustment to their salaries. It was part of a discussion we had with them on a new collective bargaining agreement. And those discussions in the middle of a pandemic were difficult. Any labor discussions are hard, even during the best of times. So my discussions with players would try to get as much input as I could.

I heard them, but very much so. We needed them to get back. Our fans needed to get back for all the reasons you've indicated, and we are back. And I'm looking forward to in many ways getting close to our players to have them help us build what the next normal is going to look like, which is 2021 and beyond when, you know, life probably will look a little bit different than we expect it. Well, it's exciting. It is July 8th. It's a World Cup-style tournament, which it features all 26 teams.

And I think soccer's built for this. The World Cup style, soccer fans love it. World Cup is kind of the – I remember as a kid and seeing the World Cup. I went on a vacation with my parents one time to England. I sound like some boozy guy. But I remember seeing a World Cup when I was like nine, ten years old. It was so unique to the American standings playoffs. So I think here we go.

June 24th, teams arrived. July 8th, group stage begins. A round of 16 quarters semis. MLS is back tournament final August 11th. By the way, the timing is fantastic. So you don't have to do a ton of head-to-head with the NFL, which we all know is, you know, it's the NFL. So, Don, good luck to you.

Very exciting time. You must wake up in the morning. And, you know, this, you probably will never face something quite like this. You have to feel, you may not be able to go to restaurants where you live, but it doesn't feel good today, optimistic. It does. You know, Colin, it's funny. The first person who's asked me that in a long time. You know, I'm a hopeful person.

You're in the soccer business in this country. You have to be an optimist, a possibleist. You've got to believe in where sport is going and how our country is changing and how it will feed into, you know, those who grew up with the game now being supportive. I look at you being a season ticket holder to LAAFC and seeing what that environment is. We very much have captured the hearts and minds of that city. And the sport's great. The league is really on a role. And we're ready to get back and ready to move, you know, forward at a time with our players.

and with our clubs. And I hope to see you at a game soon. And hopefully that'll be in the fall. Well, there's eight, ten pro teams in L.A. and a bunch of college teams, I'm a season ticket holder to one L.A.F.C. I sit it right in the middle with Will Farrell right behind me. Who am I next to? Who am I next to?

Mia Hamm and Nomar Garcia Parra. So I'm in the famous people section. There you go. That's fantastic. Listen to me again. Don, great talking to you. Great talking to you, Colin. Take care.

I talk about my European vacation as a kid. We went there one time. I mean, can I get some tickets? Johann Croyfe was the big star in the World Cup. Goalekh. You may know Yankee outfielders. I know Johann Croyfe. I need the calling seats at an LF.

No, it's, listen, the environment at MLS is. Yeah, looks really fun. You know what it is? Hockey fans have always said, we have the best in-game environment. It's the NHL outdoors. It feels like you're in Europe. I mean, it's just beer, yelling, chance. Lots of energy.

Oh, my God, it's great. 24,000 people get in and out of the stadium easily. Great food, great times. Hour 3. Reggie Bush is back. He's coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app. Casper's a sleep company with outrageously comfortable products, not so outrageous prices.

Go to casper.com for more information. Casper.com. Well, his first and only interview, Reggie Bush owned Los Angeles. This is a city that's got professional NBA teams, multiple major league baseball teams, MLS teams. When Reggie was here, he owned the city as a collegiate athlete. Then the NCAA handed down incredibly, incredibly punitive strikes against the program. 30 scholarships lost, wins vacated. And Reggie Bush was not allowed to be associated for 10 years with USC. That is now officially over.

Reggie Bush joining us via the Coward Global Satellite Network. So let me start with the obvious question. When you got the official news, you could now once again be part of the USC family. What was your initial reaction? I was excited. This has been something I've dreamed of for a long time, you know, to be able to come home and spend time with some of the younger players, some of the coaches, some of the faculty, the staff members there, you know, there's still people there that I've developed strong, close relationships with

that I've known for a very long time, all the way down to the equipment people. And that's, you know, a testament of what we built in our time there while I was at USC. You know, we built relationships that extended far beyond the football field. and most and if not all the people, you know, that I've spent time with there, especially my teammates, I consider family. And to this day, you know, we are, that relationship, again, like I said, goes far beyond the football field. So for me, we're excited to be back.

Can't wait to get to the university and get to know some of the young players there and start to help, you know, initiate change and just help bring back greatness to USC. At the lowest point, Reggie, may have been 10 years ago, may have been seven years ago, when you could not connect with USC ostracized from the program. How bad was it? What do you mean? How bad was it? For me, how bad was it?

Basically, you love the program and you're told, keep away, stay away. Yeah. What's that like to go through? Yeah. It's tough. It's very tough. You know, I went through a lot as a person. I went through a lot as a man. A lot of my confidence as a man was shot down.

And, you know, I had some struggles throughout my career in the NFL because of the things that happened to USC. A lot of the things that I experienced that I went through that, you know, I went through that I had to deal with, you know, from backlash, from everything that happened. It was tough. It was not easy. But this is the thing for me. I couldn't stay in that spot because if I stayed in that spot, then. And I never would have, you know, had the opportunity to really enjoy my time in New Orleans. And that's the thing.

You know, everything happened so quick, you know, for me, I got drafted, went to New Orleans, a team, an organization that needed change in the city that had just been destroyed by Hurricane Katrina. So I quickly had to get to work. But this always lingered in the back of my head. It always lingered in the back of my mind. It's the thing that kept me up late at night almost every night. And it's the thing that, you know, that kind of haunted me too as well. You know, Reggie, I said this earlier, outside of maybe Tim Tebow, I don't remember a college player the last 20 years that would have had a more lucrative college career

if you were paid for likeness or merchandise or merch. Yeah. You and Tebow, like, there's not really a third. And there have been a lot of great players. But take me back. you're 19 years old. The NFL's not in Los Angeles. You were in a group of

two or three sports people in the city of Los Angeles, 10 million people, as the biggest star. Just take me back to the best, the crest, the best years of USC. What was it like to be, Reggie Bush? It was amazing. It was amazing to be able to look on the sidelines

and see Snoop Dogg, see Will Ferrell, you know, see a lot of, you know, ex-players, Marcus Sallon, Ronnie Lott. You see those kind of guys on the sidelines cheering for you and supporting you. And it means a lot. And that's one of the reasons why I want to, I can't wait to go back because I know what it means to be able to look to that sideline and see some of the OG, some of the older guys who did it before you. You know, Marcus Allen is from my area. We grew up in the same area where the high school, he wants to be. went to, I grew up maybe five miles down the street from. And so, you know, I looked up to Marcus Allen, you know, for a long time, and I still do because of the person that he is, the man

he is. And guys like Ronnie Lott, who have been in my corner from day one, these are guys that, you know, eat sleep and breathe Cardinal and Gold, eat sleep and breathe USC. And those are the kind of guys that, you know, I can't wait to get to get around those guys and, again, help bring back some of the greatness back to USC. I got to ask you about the Saints. We had Gerald, Gerald McCoy was on yesterday. And Gerald McCoy said, I'm going to accept Drew Breeze's apology. When I was a young player in the league, Drew Breeze helped me. And I was trying to sack him. I thought Drew was tone deaf. And I think it's much more important to be concerned about what Michael Thomas thinks of you than the president. And I think he was tone deaf and made a correction.

Do you think Drew could struggle winning everybody back in that locker room? You know him. Well, I know Drew personally, and I know my relationship with Drew. And very similar to the story, Gerald McCoy is saying that, you know, Drew helped him. My first introduction to meeting Drew Breeze was the night before the draft. When Houston, Texas passed up on me, Drew called me that night before it had even been announced. It said, I can't wait to play with you because I had a chance to play with Ladeneon Thomas, who I consider to be one of the greatest running backs ever.

And I think you have a shot to be just as good or better than him. And so right away, that completely shifted everything, my mentality, whatever, you know, anxiousness or just uncomfortable feelings that I had inside of me about being passed up on and now going to a city, which we didn't know if they were going to have a home field stadium, a home stadium. We didn't know what the future held for that city because they had just been through Hurricane Katrina. and Drew took the opportunity to call me. And that's why I've accepted Drew's apology on national TV, on Speak for Yourself.

And Drew's actually also reached out to me personally and just apologized once again and said that, you know, he hoped that his divisive comments didn't hurt and that he couldn't wait. And then he was excited to be our ally in his fight. And I really respect Drew a lot because I know his heart. I know the person he is. Yes, those comments were tone deaf and divisive at the wrong time. but Drew can't I think Drew will do a great job at educating himself processing processing this the right way and changing the narrative as well you know I was just thinking about something I didn't ask you about USC I want to circle back yeah go ahead I've never really

bought into this vacated winds thing like I like listen you're it doesn't matter yeah I watched you play you were the best team easily um on a personal level do you you think you'll get the Heisman back? Would that matter to you? Yeah. You know, if I, oh, to say that I don't want it back would be a lie, you know, and so I do want to be completely honest about that. 100% I want my Heisman trophy back. But also at the same time, I'm more focused on the kids now, because what happened to me is in the past. And we're not going to change what happened, and we're not going to be able to, you know, change everything that happened in that situation. But what we can't do is learn from it.

out and right and that's why I'm so happy I'm so happy that kids will now be able to make money off their name, image, and likeness because that is what's fair and that is what they deserve, right? It's very, you know, and no other form of work can a company say, hey, you come and work for us, but you cannot make money off your name, image, or likeness, but we can. And that's, that's unfortunate because you're hamstringing a lot of families, a lot of kids, when they're in their prime. When you're 19, 20 years old, that's when you're starting to hit your prime, and that's when you're starting to see this change in your body physically, especially for young, men. And so that's the critical time for some of these kids to be able to capitalize off of some

of those things. And I think it's very important because as we now move to the name, image, and likeness and the legislation that's being written on that, who was looking out for the players in this situation? Because I have to believe that NCAA is going to protect. you know, their investments, which they should, right? I'm not saying that they shouldn't do that. But at the same time, I don't want to see these players to be hamstring once again because of maybe the new rules that come out doesn't fully support them in a way that it should be. So that's my focus right now. The Heisman Trophy and everything that happened with USC, that's in the past. What I love to have it back? Hell yes. But at the same time, is it my focus right now?

Absolutely not. Did you ever feel taken advantage of being a star in Los Angeles with all the money and the agents and the stars are not? Did you ever feel taken advantage of as a college athlete? 100%. At the time, did I feel that? No. Because at the time, it was just about balling on the football field with your teammates. It was about being in the locker rooms, you know, during after school and before you go to practice and sharing those stories with your brothers and building that chemistry on and off the football field.

That's what it's about at that time. You're not thinking about the money, none of that stuff, that people could or could not be making off of you. Once you leave and then you start to really understand what college football is all about, then that's where you go back and you say, okay, you know, there was a big significant injustice that happened here. Not just to me, but to everybody that came through the college system.

Because, again, as I said before, in no way, shape, or form, is it okay to tell a young kid when he's in his prime? You can't make money off your name, image, and likeness, but this big-time corporation can. Reggie Bush, I see a wine cellar in the back. It's a little early for wine, but you enjoy a nice Pino tonight, Reggie. I will. I will. Thank you.

Thank you. All right. Reggie Bush, Fox Sports College football analyst. Start your day with MDrive Start, the best morning shake. Check it out, MDrive Start.com. MDrive Start.DiTar with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. Bubba Wallace will drive a car supporting Black Lives Matter tonight during the NASCAR race at Martinsville. That's great. It will be all black with a handshake on the hood. The words Black Lives Matter will be featured on both sides of the car along with compassion, love, and understanding, which will be written on both the front and back of the car. NASCAR Cup Series racing is live from Martinsville for the blue emu maximum pain relief 500 at 7 Eastern tonight on FS1. and you will see him in that car there tonight.

He also wore a I Can't Breathe Black Lives Matter shirt on Sunday. He's the only black driver racing full-time in any of NASCAR's top three series. So making a big statement tonight at Martinsville, which I think is very, very important, especially considering that he is the only black driver in the top of NASCAR's top three series.

There's only really one side to be on here. Yeah, I know it's very difficult for people to understand that because people really feel like they have to have an opinion about everything all the time. And sometimes it's just, it's not about you right now. And that's going to be, it's going to be okay. It's just for a moment. We need to focus all together, all of our efforts, all of our energy on fixing a systemic problem, which is going to take all of us. So there's just one side and just for a moment, that's okay. I told you this weekend watching television.

You know, one of the things both you and I talked about was don't make the looters the story. The story is 99% or more of the protests were peaceful. This has been really a remarkable, you know, people look at it and say, oh, the looting. Folks, we've seen revolutions in other countries, unlike CNN. They don't look like ours. ours was unity together, moving in the same direction. Let's not concentrate in a burning car in two cities and go, that's what it is. No, that's not what it was.

If you're reasonable, if you don't have an agenda, if you're not being partisan, folks, it's really been an incredible last eight days. We're getting legislation changed. Like, that's why the protests matter. It's all about change, and that's why you can't let up right now. What happens time and time again is there are protests. tests and there are riots and looting and there's an outcry and then it just kind of fizzles away because everyone doesn't get on board and then we're back here again because nothing has changed. I love that NASCAR is supporting him doing this. I think it's going to make a major

impact and statement at Martinsville tonight. I'm proud of him and I think it's a wonderful thing to do. But everyone just get on the same page. Like there's just there's just times in life where again It doesn't have to be about what you think and what your opinion is. Sometimes it's just good to listen and support your neighbor. You mean it's not always about us and people in power? I mean, it's not always about me.

I'm not saying this from a position that like what I'm saying is always right and you always have to listen to me and my opinion. There's lots of stuff I don't have opinions about. I have less opinions about most things. More opinions about a smaller amount of things. It's how it should be.

There's people missing this. Whenever I hear it, stick to sports. This is, I don't want politics. This is not about politics. It's not a political. It's not a political. It's not a political statement. It's not politics.

People make it political. But it would people make weather political? Yes. Remember 20 years ago? How's the weather, joy? You wouldn't, you ask people now, oh, global warming. You're against my president. No, I just want to know how.

I don't know if it's warm outside or if it's going to rain. So there's been a lot of trade rumors surrounding Bradley Beal and the Wizards. And according to Shams Sharania, the Lakers were one of the teams that expressed interest in a trade. I saw you tweet about this. Yeah. Nothing came of the conversations, but ultimately the choice to leave Washington will likely be Beals. He's expected to be offered a supermax contract, and he has made no indication that he wants to leave the Wizards. Bradley. I love Bradley Beal. Since you've been on this show, I've said he's the most underrated player in the league, the most underrated player.

He is too smart, too good of a player to not be on a winning team. He feels a sense of loyalty to the Wizards. Loyalty. It means nothing. 20 years ago in the NBA, I thought it was overrated. God, can we get over loyalty? These guys have eight years to make it. Who cares about loyalty?

Go to a winner. Loyalty means nothing to me for an NBA player. I mean, I agree with you. Shams also mentioned that the Heat and the Pelicans were teams that would be interested. I love all, well, obviously, but I love all of those locations for him. Name another player in the NBA. another one who is an all-star. I mean, there's, and we just don't watch him play ever.

He's it. He's the last player in the league that's really good. We just never see. I'm 100% with you. I think he would thrive in another situation. I asked an NBA insider, a powerful NBA insider, connected to a powerful NBA player about Bradley Beale. And his answer was, he's like Clay Thompson.

Everybody wants to play with Bradley Beale. That was the answer. from a powerful person next to a powerful player. One of my, you know... He's extremely talented, and he's one of those players, much like Clay Thompson, who is just solid in every aspect of his game. A winning player in a losing organization.

And you can't do that. You can't... That cannot be your brand going forward. He's a winning player in a losing organization. Like, let's go. Make the move. I think he wants to stay there. Why?

I don't know. I mean, I would leave. But... In one... second I leave. And I, you know, you know, it's fun. Loyalty is always, you know. I mean, I don't believe in loyalty when it comes to professional sports.

You know, not from any, not from anyone who is involved in professional sports. Fans, sure, of course. You know, there's an expectation of fans to be loyal. That's what the, you know, the whole idea of cheering for a team is built on. But players, teams don't have any sense of loyalty in 99.9% of cases to any kind of players. And if they do, if they do do anything out of. It's because that player is a legend who's built up so much equity with the team and fans that they can't get around it.

First of all. There's no loyalty in professional sports. If you're a general manager, you can't be loyal. You have to run the organization. You can't be loyal to players. You have to run based on salary cap restrictions, a roster that makes your owner win going forward. It can't be loyal. Finally, Rob Grunkowski has been a member of the Bucks for more than a month, and he's already making an impact in the community.

He announced that he and the Bucks Foundation will be helping out a local school. whose football equipment was recently lost in a fire. Hey everyone, last week we heard about an unfortunate incident in Tampa where a fire burned down a high school storage shed full of their team's football equipment. Sadly, they lost it all. While the Grunk Nation Youth Foundation and my new team, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are all about helping youth reach their full potential. So we're going to do just that. To the Blake High School Yellow Jackets, you're getting a brand new storage store. unit and new football equipment to replace everything that was lost, courtesy of our foundation

and the Tampa Bay Buccaneer Foundation. So keep working hard this summer. Stay active and stay healthy. And my new teammates and I are looking forward to seeing you soon. It looks like a pro wrestler. He really does. He was a pro wrestler. He looks like a pro wrestler.

Temporarily. Those are some great shades, too. The total losses were around $11,000, according to the Tampa Fire Rescue. So they're donating all that and getting the. the high school hole again on their football, football equipment and training equipment. So good job, Gronk. What to go, Gronk.

Good stuff. Joy with the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. So you know that game we play? It's called Diss or Dack. And I line up all the quarterbacks in the NFL. And would I take DAC as my franchise quarterback or Dis Guy?

So we're going to play this game because I've been on this Carson Wend's thing. We're going to play Wents or on the fence. Fascinating game. That's coming up next. Get your free credit scorecard today, even if you're not a Discover customer. Include your FICA credit score. That's what top lenders use in America. Won't hurt your credit.

Learn more. Discover.com slash credit scorecard. Limitations apply. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app. Good to have you in. Best for last. We do this thing called Diss or Dack.

Anytime there's a big argument about Dack Prescott, how good he is, and I'll say, DAC or Diss? Would I take DAC or Diss to start my franchise? So I thought I was four years ahead of everybody on Russell Wilson. I thought I was ahead of everybody by a couple of years on Andrew Luck. I think I'm ahead of everybody on Carson Wentz. I think he's a superstar player that has had to overcome absurd wide receiver injuries. Zach Erch is his best weapon, and Zach's not really a versy.

passing. He's not like Travis Kelsey or Jimmy Graham in his prime. He has average running backs. They've had a good offensive line, but it's been battered with injuries the last two years. And Wence has essentially carried this franchise. So it's time for Wence or on the fence, Joy. Now, this is right now, this is moving like forward. Just like right now. Today, I can take Wence or another quarterback with my franchise. Would you rather have Wence or DAC? I don't know how you can watch the two.

Wence is bigger, more athletic with a stronger arm. I would take Carson Wentz. He had 108 passer rating last year down the stretch, throwing the trash cans. I don't know how you would not take him. If you watch that game, Dak and Wentz, Wence had less O-line, Wentz receivers, less running back help and dominated the game. I would take that. Would you rather have Wens or Aaron Rogers?

This sounds crazy. I'd rather have Wence. I think he's bigger. I think he's stronger. I think he has a better, I don't think he has quite the release of Aaron Rogers. Last three years. Take out Wence's rookie year. That's not fair. Take it out. Last three years. He's got a better completion percentage, more touchdown passes, a better record, and a better passer rating than Aaron Rogers. What do you want? What do you want? What more does he have to prove?

And he doesn't have a star receiver like Aaron or a starback like Aaron. I don't even think this is controversial. Now Aaron Rogers is playing with stars? Well, I mean, he's got a star receiver and a star back. He's got stars. I mean, I think he does, but I'm taking Aaron Rogers, by the way. Would you rather have Carson Wentz or Drew Brees? This is not close. It's Carson Wins.

He's a much bigger, stronger thrower with the football. He's more athletic. It's not. I love Drew. Drew's 41. This isn't close. Carson Wentz. Drew does not throw the ball down the field like he used to.

That's not what he does. Carson gives you everything. Great deep ball, big arm, cannon, side arm angles. I love Drew Brees. this is not even close. I don't know that it's not close, but I'm going to go with Wence. I would rather have Wence or Tom Brady.

Carson Wens. Brady went four and five down the stretch. Wentz went four and oh. Am I? This is a state, you know what this is like? This is, you're comparing a sports car

to a very nice SUV. And I love Brady. But he's a nice SUV at this point in his career. Carson Wence is a completely different level. Yeah, but sports car. cars are really fun and really fast. They're not great in all weather. Okay, that's true.

If something breaks on them, it's very expensive. Let's correct that. He's not a sports car. Wence is great and bad weather. Wence is a, what's a, it's a Tesla. He's the future. Okay. All right.

Also very expensive. Or Mercedes. How about that? All right, Wence or Matt Ryan? Uh, last two years, Atlanta's gone seven and nine. I think Matt needs a lot of help around him. Wence shows he can carry a franchise with nothing around him or cluster in.

Cluster injuries. Matt needs everything in line, and then he's a very good quarterback, but last couple of years, he's seven and nine. That's just not with with star receiver, star back, star tight end, Austin Hooper, with great players. I would go with Wence and that as well. All right, Carson Wence or Jimmy Garoppolo. Wence, easily. And I like Garoppolo, but you're talking about arm, not close, size, Wence, athletic ability, not close, not close. I'm going to go with Jimmy. Would you rather have Wenz or Russell Wilson? Excuse me?

You take Jimmy Groplo for Wens. Jimmy Garoppolo was just leading Patrick Mahomes in a Super Bowl like a couple months ago. You really don't like Wensz. I think I've picked Winson. I took Dak. We can make an argument there. That's fair.

I just prefer Dak. It's more durable. Aaron Rogers. And Jimmy Garoplo. Okay. Russell or Carson Wence. on the fence. I take Russell Wilson.

Wow. I think Russell Wilson is the best football player in America. All things considered. Smarts, leadership, athletic ability, throwing the football. But do you think it's close? I think Russell is in a complete, I mean, I only think there's one player in the league close to Russell Wilson, and that's Patrick Mahomes. I think Russell's the best. Oh, okay.

No, I would agree with that. I think Russell, because his pre-snaps better than Mahomes at this point, and I think he's, I think he's, he's a better leader at this point because he's just older. I think Russell Wilson is the best football player in America. I'm taking Wilson over Wence as well. Wence or Kyler Murray? To show you the disrespect for Carson Wendt. Kyler Murray has better Super Bowl odds or MVP odds than Carson Wens.

You've got to be kidding me. Carson Wentz. And again, I don't think this is close. And I think Kyler's fun, but this ain't close. No, I don't think it's close right now. Wence or Lamar Jackson? Wence. Now, in a year,

I may not think that. As a, this is still as much, as much as we see Lamar do his stuff, it is still, you've got to throw a ball from the pocket. And I do believe if you're asking me to read the entire field, sit in the pocket, carry no weapons, Wents can do that. Now, Lamar is great. But I think all of us, and even John Harbaugh has acknowledged this, I'm waiting for another step from Lamar as a pocket quarterback. He can do it, but he's looking for another stage. I think Wence is in his prime. I think Lamar's going into his prime.

I'm going to take Lamar. Wence or Rothesberger? Wence. Wence is, you know, I like Ben, but I think his efficiency. A lot of picks, efficiency. There's some drama there. I don't get that with Wence. So there's Ben's leadership style is not always my favorite.

I'm a good with Wence as well. Wens or is Sean Watson? Wentz a much better throw of the football, much better throw out of the football. And by the way, Deshawn with significantly better weapons. Wentz had more T-Ds, more yards, fewer picks than Deshawn last year, and Deshawn had great weapons. So I think, and again, I like Deshawn Watson. But if you're telling me, you got nothing at receiver and running back and carry him down the field. Well, I think Wentz proved that last year.

He was playing with practice. I thought it was one of the greatest four-game stretches down the stretch I'd seen in a decade. I think I would go with Deshaun, but I do think it's very close. Carson Wentz or Patrick Mahomes? On the fence, Patrick Mahomes. I think Patrick Mahomes is the better version of Carson Wentz. And I think the better version of him is a top 10 player all time. So when I say the better version of Carson Wentz, I can't say anything better than that

because I think Carson Wentz is a Hall of Fame. A Hall of Fame talent. All right. Carson Wentz or your guy Drew Locke. This one I thought about for a long time. Carson Wentz. Although Drew Locke has some of the same fascinating potential. Drew's

got a huge arm. Drew moves really well. There's a certain leadership quality. You know, he went to Missouri, which is a bunch of nothing. I mean, compared in the SEC to who you're playing. Drew Locke's talented, but Carson Went. So, Russell Wilson, Patrick Mahomes. And I do think

the Lamar thing could change in a year. If Lamar takes the steps that I think he will, then I'd probably in a year go Lamar, but I want to see it. So does John Harbaugh. So basically you think that Carson Wentz is the third best quarterback in the league.

Yep. Behind Patrick Mahomes and Russell Wilson. Yep. That's it. Here's the thing. It's not controversial. Last three years, go look at his stats with Aaron Rogers.

We did this earlier. Just go look at him. I don't have an opinion. Just watch him. What do you want? Wins more, more touchdowns, better completion percentage, You can't tell me that he has a significantly better coach than Aaron.

You can't tell me he has a significantly better. Devante Adams is better than Aaron Jones is better than the contemporaries that are playing for Philadelphia at those spots. So what do you want me to say? I think it's controversial to say Rogers is better than Wence. I think Wence is an elevating player. He's escalating. Is that the right word?

He's improving. I think Wence is getting back. I think Wence is now in his prime, but he's getting, he's an, he's not emerging. Yeah, I don't even know. Like he's arrived, so that's not really the right time. Right now, I don't think Aaron's in his prime. I don't think Aaron's that far out of his prime. I think Wentz is just this will be the, I think last year at the end of the year, I'm like, okay, this is his prime.

This is, this is. I thought Wentz was incredibly impressive at the end, towards the end of the season last year. What he was able to do with, I mean, practice squad guys was remarkable. But I also think that the division was down and I need to see some consistency moving forward. He's very good. I think he's very good. You know, I gotta be honest. It's a good hair day for us today.

Are you feeling yourself today? I really have a good. I do that's what you were doing. I'm sorry. You are having a good hair day, though. Really, I'm very proud of my hair. Did you do something different? No, nothing different.

You know, they bought me a bunch of products because it just looked like an unmade bed. And so the ladies who do it, they went and got products because we can't, we're not supposed to be in the same room, and so they just sent them to me. So I opened up a bag today.

I don't know how you guys do it. I didn't know what anything was. It was tubes and cans. And I'm looking at this stuff and I'm like, this is, I didn't even know what to do. So I put a bunch of it in my hands and I combed it in there and this is what came out of it. It looks good. There were powders and stuff. I didn't know.

They put powders in your hair. You put powder in your hair. I mean, sometimes, yeah. Powder. Like, like, sometimes they do fibers. I mean, TV stuff is just so different because there's lights, you know. Fibers. Sometimes they put fibers because you're, you know, your hair might be laying a funny way.

and it looks like you're bald and you're really not. It's a lot that goes into this. There are things happening in America. We just make it look like an accident. I have no idea. Fibers and hair, gels, powders. Who knew? All right, good job.

We will be back tomorrow. Tomorrow will be Thursday. Want to thank Reggie Bush, Don, Garber, Peter, Schrager, Nick Wright. Good stuff. We'll see you tomorrow. Be safe. It's the hurt.

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