The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Kaepernick, Packers, LeBron James, arm talent

Episode Date: June 26, 2020

Colin explains why the anti Colin Kaepernick crowd lost, why the Green Bay packers are so unique, what he thinks of LeBron James being critical of the NFL, and why a lot of people don't know what QB arm talent really is. Guests include Chris Broussard, Eric Mangini, Trent Dilfer, Jamal Crawford, and Jason McIntyre. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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However, you may be listening. We're on I-Heart Radio. Fox Sports Radio. And FS1 right here. Joy Taylor is joining me. We're packed today. Eric Mangini, Trent Dilfer, Jamal Crawford.

Chris Bussar, Jason McIntyre, a lot of people today on a Friday. I barely have to work today. A lot of interesting guests. Goulet is here as well. Joy, how are you? I'm great. Happy birthday to Shannon Sharp. He's not in studio today, but it's Shannon's birthday.

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So let me start with this. If you listen to me for any length of time, you know I bounced around the country. I grew up in a non-traditional childhood. We didn't go to church. I'm agnostic. Don't have a problem being authentic about that. In America today, if you are willing to sort of evolve or change, you get called woke. And there are some people I think are a little wokey, but some of us are just more comfortable. Now, I'm not blaming you if you like comfort. Some of you have grown up in the same town.

You've worked for the same company. You've been in the same zip code. You still hang out with your same high school college friends. There is nothing wrong with that. That is not my life experience. I have moved for commerce, I've moved for opportunity, and a lot of you would go, oh, that's sad. And I'm like, I have so many cool people in my life that I would have never met had I not lived in Tampa, had I not lived in Connecticut. I never thought I'd live in rural Connecticut.

It's fantastic. It's a whole new way of life. I never thought I'd live in Los Angeles, Las Vegas. I lived in the Pacific Northwest. It's a total gift. but I'm not saying your experience is any less, but I don't think it's necessarily anymore. I've been given opportunities, met people, had great relationships formed that I'd never have staying in the same hometown.

So I am really comfortable with change. And I'm really comfortable with cultural change. Because I've always felt I'm a surfer, life's a wave. Just ride the momentum where it's going. I don't fight the wave. When I first moved to Manhattan Beach, I'd go down with a coffee to the pier. And I'd sit there 45 minutes every Saturday and I'd watch all these surfers on the waves. And the better the surfer, the rarely they jumped into a wave.

They waited for the perfect wave. Why waste your time on a bad wave? And so I think about this story this morning that Colin Kaepernick is drawing interest from several teams. Well, if it's interest from Doug Marone, I feel bad for him. If it's interest from John Harbaugh, good for him. What's the team? What's the coach? There's a big difference in a big gap in this.

League. But a lot of this Colin Kaepernick story is about people that don't like change. And I'm really comfortable with change. Now, when Kaepernick first came out, my takeaway was, I don't know if I like anybody in America, black, white man, woman, taking their activism to work. I would never bring a picket sign to Fox Sports or my former employer. So I said, you know, all these platforms, Nike, can't you take your activism? But I can certainly be argued out of that point. I think my point's legitimate. Others disagree.

But here's the thing. All you, I'm going to protest, boycott people on this, you lost on the Kaepernick one. You just got to own it now. You got to own it. Like my dad had a drinking problem. He got over it for a while

because he admitted he had a problem. The boycott Kaepernick crowd, you lost. How do I know you lost? because Nike used him and the stock went up. And according to studies, Black Lives Matter is supported by not only Democrats but conservatives. Yep, I read it this morning. Two-thirds of America support Black Lives Matter. That means some conservatives do too.

The NFL has gone back to Kaepernick, embracing him, meaning the boycott won't matter. According to a survey I read yesterday, and I don't know how much I believe in polls, but they're usually historically accurate. Donald Trump will be out in November. And oh, by the way, the boycott crowd with Kaepernick, for the first time ever in the history of television, OOH viewers, will count. What's that? Out of home viewers. Every bar in America now on Sunday will count toward our viewers and our ratings.

That's never happened before. People are suggesting the NFL will get an 8 to a 15% bump. So we even have 15 to 20% of your left. Doesn't matter. Ratings aren't going down. You lost on this. I don't think you're all bad people, but I think certain people are just born rigid.

They're born traditional. They're born in the same town. 40% of America never leaves their mom. They stay in the same area code as their mom. I'm not saying it's bad. If you grow up and your family's got a lot of land or it's got a good business and you want to stay around it and you got a lot of cousins close by,

that's not my life experience. But I think it's very easy for me, and it has been, to move off stuff. I don't consider it necessarily woke. I just consider it like, here's a better wave. Let's jump on it. Why fight it? But the boycott Kaepernick crowd, according to this story, Nike proved he's actually pretty good for business. And the NFL is going to prove this year, no one player makes us or break us.

Peyton Manning retired. Brett Farr retired. Patrick Mahomes could retire tomorrow. You think Patrick Mahomes going to ruin the league? It won't be as fun. I hope he doesn't. Kaepernick was never going to make the league, and he was never going to break the league. And I said this the other day.

It could have been this week or last week. I said, I'm boycotting the boycotting crowd on everything. Everybody's boycotting everything. Now, I'm a bad boycotter. I boycotted coffee, and two days later, I went back to drinking it. I'm a lousy boycoter because I just like what I like. And I'm not going to let you ruin my life or politics change my consumption patterns. I'm not going to let politics and that TV host and that.

I always laugh when people say, I won't watch that show. It's got Alec Baldwin on it. He's a liberal. And to that, I say, every show you watch on Netflix has been written and directed by liberals. It's Hollywood. You do get, they all live in Hollywood. Just turn television off and then boycott it. But if I have to lose 10 to 12% of my audience, you know what I do?

I watch my numbers and my podcast ratings go up 10 to 12% a year. Who? Younger people, who sometimes just happen to be a little more tolerant. But the boycott crowd on Kaepernick, you got to own this. You lost it. Nike, up. NASCAR ratings. Monday.

Confederate flags gone. Up on a Monday, three Eastern. It wasn't even on the day it was scheduled to happen. NFL ratings. You're going to go up. Everybody's going to embrace him. The league's embracing him. Black Lives Matter, supported by two-thirds Americans.

O-O-H rates. ratings. Up. Trump, according to polls, out. Sometimes you just got to admit. I know you want to believe you wake up in the morning. You want to believe you're going to win all your arguments and all your boycotts and all your debates. You lost that one. All right. Yesterday, Brandon Marshall came on the show, great wide receiver six-time Pro Bowl for the New York Jets. And we got into some discussion about a bunch of different topics and he has great opinions. He's one of those guys will segue pretty easily into broadcasting. And we started talking about Aaron Rogers and I was kind defending Green Bay the organization.

And we were talking Aaron Rogers and Brandon Marshall said this. It's too late. Come on, man. They should have won two Super Bowls in the last five years. To me, Aaron Rogers is my favorite quarterback in the NFL. But you wasted this guy's career. You got one Super Bowl out of Aaron Rogers? Are you kidding me?

It's too late. It's too late. Let me say this. It's interesting. If you were to create the NFL today, there were no teams and no history. you do realize we would not put a team in Green Bay. There's 104,000 people.

There's no owner. But like many businesses in America, it's been grandfathered in. In my childhood, and I count my childhood, I started watching TB at 7 to 8 years old in 1972. First game I remember was Wilt Chamberlain wearing a headband for the Lakers against the Portland Trailblazers. The other game I remember was the 1972 Super Bowl with Yarrow your premium of the Miami Dolphins,

beating the Washington Redskins like 14-0 or 14-3 or 14-7 or something like that. I can name 90% of the players in that game, Jim Kick, Larry Zonka, Bob Gracie, Paul Warfield, Charlie Taylor, Billy Kilmer. I can name them all. Diron Talbert, Chris Hamburger, Pat Fisher. I can go ours. I know Goula is rolling his eyes at me. The first time I started watching TV was about seven to eight years old.

And then if you go, the next 12 years old, then I'm 19 years old, you know, 20 years old. My childhood's old. Right? going to college and stuff. The Green Bay Packers were atrocious for all those years. They were irrelevant from like 68 to 92. They were just junk. We would never put them in the league today if you started over. But they've been grandfathered in. And frankly, we should look at the Green Bay Packers and marvel at how good they've been. They're the post office of professional sports teams. If the world, there was never,

been a post office and all the forms of communication were available today, nobody would choose the post office. Let's see, I'm going to write a long letter that takes me a half hour. Then I'm going to grab a piece of paper, lick it, jam the paper in there, put it in a stamp, either drive it to the post office or go to the mailbox, wait for seven days until it lands somewhere, they open it up, and then they call me on their rotary phone. That's not, the post office doesn't make any sense today. But it's grandfathered in. It's part of the country and some people use it. But it makes no sense. I mean, I can just put something on my door. UPS comes, boom, out. FedEx comes, boom, out. Post office, Packers, you would not even create the post office today. You would not create the Packers today.

I don't think Aaron Rogers has been underserved or overserved. I think the Green Bay Packers flourishing is a testament to their fans is a testament to the NFL is a remarkable American business story. The fact that a team in a town of 100,000 people with no owner, lousy weather, bad free agent attraction, players have virtually no privacy if they play there. And they still get a bunch of good players and a bunch of Pro Bowls, star receivers, Brett Farb and Aaron Rogers, and those guys re-sign there, and they stay there, and they want to play there forever. Green Bay is a success story if they finish the season.

The post office is a success story if four people in America go to it today, and my mom was one of them. I don't think Aaron Rogers has been underserved. I just think the story there is uniquely American. Coming up next, Lord, it's Friday. I'm going to say something else nice about the Cleveland Browns. That's coming up. Plus, Chris Broussard this hour.

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And you can move around all the orange cones and all the difficulty. So no guacamole top of the hour, Eric Mangini top of the hour, but Colin's next fake press conference joining us. So last year, I mean, let's be honest about this. Most of you have pom-poms. You're little fanboys. And Uncle Colin comes in. I'm the grown-up without the emotion.

And I tell you what's going to happen. And you fight and yell and scream. And I'm always right. And so with Cleveland last year, it was like embarrassing. like I just pounded you all year long. And I said, they're not going to be a playoff team. You're going to be under 500. And it wasn't that difficult.

This year, I'm like, yes, you're going to be above 500. It's very obvious, and I'll tell you why. So PFF came out with the strongest and the weakest schedules. Now, every year when the schedules get released, I make a big deal out of it. And all of you push back and say it doesn't matter. You're wrong. Schedules matter. So PFF says the Browns, Arizona, and Baltimore have the easiest schedules,

toughest are Atlanta, Carolina, and Vegas. So let's take the Cleveland. Cleveland Browns because that's the team I talk about a lot and everybody thinks I'm always wrong, although I'm always right. So last year, Cleveland, this is why I said Cleveland wouldn't work. And I could not believe all the media people that bought into the nonsense. It was like the Tim Tebow story. The media doesn't want to get any pushback on Twitter.

So it's like, Tebow is God. It's Dubai. Tebow can't quarterback in the NFL. He can't throw the ball. Stop it. Believe in your convictions, especially if you're right. And so Tebow can't play in the NFL. 90% of the media just caved on that.

And 90% of the media caved on Cleveland. It was real easy why they weren't going to win. Baker was in his first full year of starting. Freddie Kitchens was in his first year as a head coach, even at high school. And the weakness of the team was the offensive line. If you went to their schedule, here's the coaches, seven of the eight coaches they faced last year to start the season. Mike Rable, Sean McVe, John Harbaugh, Kyle Shanahan, Pete Carroll, Bill Ballicheck, and Vic Fangio, who I think is a great defensive coach.

They were going to get the hell knocked out of them. It was the easiest prediction I ever made. And I also told you they'll get real hot at the end of the year, which they sort of did. The reason I like Cleveland this year. Go and look at the first coaches they face. After John Harbaugh, it's Zach Taylor. I don't know if he's a good coach with a rookie quarterback. Ron Rivera implementing a new system with Dwayne Haskins.

I don't know if he's a good quarterback. Mike McCarthy and Dack, they've never worked together before. Frank Reich and Philip Rivers, they've never worked together before. Two weeks later, Zach Taylor and Joe Burrow, they've never worked together before. And then it's John Gruden and Derek Carr, I don't even sure they get along. Cleveland's going to win a bunch of games this year. They're going to go 9 and 7 or 10 and 6, just like last year I said they'd go 7 and 9 or 6 and 10. This is an easy one.

if you don't have a superstar quarterback and Baker's not a superstar quarterback, it becomes really important to get a scheduling break. If you got Wins, if you got Mahomes, if you got Wilson, if you got Lamar, you got Aaron Rogers, the schedule's not something I spend tons of time on. But when you have Sam Darnold, Derek Carr, Baker Mayfield, Kirk Cousins, I pay attention to the schedule. Those games are going to be inches, not feet. Cleveland will be good, and they'll be, as long as the numbers balance out of playoff team this year.

They're not going to beat Baltimore. I think they'll beat Pittsburgh. They'll be in that playoff thing. If they miss, it's their 9 and 7, and they lose some tiebreaker. But this stuff isn't difficult. Schedules matter, especially if you don't have Patrick Mahomes at quarterback or Russell Wilson. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line. News. I don't know who this rebel Tom Brady is. Rebel? Rebel? Rebel. He's continued to host workouts with his Buck's teammates, even though teams have been advised not to.

Yesterday, he posted a picture of himself drinking water during practice with the FDR quote, only thing we have to fear is fear itself. Straight. Yeah. Real. 100. I would argue there's plenty of other things to fear. Spiders.

In today's current. environment. I don't know what to read into this. Is he talking about the season? I mean, I hope he's not talking about COVID-19, right? Well, I think what Tom is doing, a lot of people

could say it's a mid-life crisis, but he is not in a mid-NFL life. He's at the twilight of his career. So it's almost over. I think this has always been Tom, but because he's a good team player, he pulled back on a little bit of his

independence for the corporation. And we see this all the time. People work for corporations. They play the game for 15 years. And then they say, you know what? I got a little maverick streaking me. The corporation's not built for me. And they move out of a corporation and they start their own business.

And then we think they changed, but it was really who they were all along. Exactly, Joy. This has always been Tom, but he was realizing this system was really good for him. And then I always said the minute he beat Atlanta, it felt like Tom was like, I'm going to do more commercials. I'm going to push back on the system. I'm going to do a documentary, take a shot at Belichick. Everything for Tom sort of changed after that Super Bowl.

And this is who he's always truly been at his base, a risk taker who believes in himself greatly. I don't have a problem with it, like the working out part. If it's legal, it is legal. Then what's the issue? I get the suggestion from the NFLPA that they shouldn't work out together because they don't want a bunch of guys in a club. are coming into camp that have tested positive and then they can't participate in camp.

But I also think that they have to stay ready to avoid injury. So like you have to, you have to measure out what you're doing here. But I, this is a whole new kind of rebel Tom. Rebel Tom we're getting. He's a, he's a pirate now.

That's right. He went from a Patriot to a pirate. So Odo Beckham had surgery this offseason to repair a core muscle injury. He played through last year. The Browns were scheduled to report for training camp. in a month. And Kevin Stepansky is confident that he's ready to go. He said Odell is free and clear. He's back to 100% in feeling really good. Odell said that he was injured all of last year. I don't think he's a player just because of his build and the way he runs. I don't think he's

a player by week four of any NFL season. That's perfect. I think he's probably always going to be a little banged up. I mean, hell, Gronks last five years in the league, he was always banged up. Like, if you're going into that secondary and you're running crossing routes and he's a very dynamic explosive player sometimes runs himself into injuries. I don't think if I don't think O'Dell will ever be perfect by week three of any season. You just got to manage it. Dronk was not healthy at the end of his career. Julio Jones in recent years has not been healthy a lot of weeks.

No, and what happens a lot of times, especially because you do have to play through injuries in the NFL. And O'Dell has said that he was playing through a lot of pain all year last year. It was never healthy because he came into the season injured. Usually if you come into the season injured, you leave the season injured because you don't have time to recover from that injury. So this is actually a good situation for him that he's had the rest to recover. I just hope everything that you're saying about the Browns is true and that we are going to get to see that dynamic O'Dell Beckham Jr. that we fell in love with with the New York Giants. I don't think that O'Dell fits Cleveland's at all. I think you agree. I don't think he will

finish his career there. But while he's there, while this is going on, while he's still in the prime of his career and now 100% healthy, I hope that he's able to get the targets that he needs and gets back to that form. So Kevin Durant is not going to be playing with the Nets in Orlando next month as he continues to recover from his Achilles injury. But he says even if he was healthy, he doesn't think he would have chosen to participate. Me right now, I probably wouldn't have played because, I mean, it's just the unknown going into that situation looks crazy right now. You know, I've seen so many new cases. You know, it's just, it's just so unpredictable.

So, I mean, it's easy for me to say right now because I'm injured, but I probably wouldn't have went down there. I talked to an NBA person last night, a team person, and they did say this. They were initially concerned about the bubble, but they said players have been hanging out with their families for like four months straight. Like, they've never gotten more family time. And he said, the league's actually done an incredible job. that for the first two or three weeks,

players are going to love it. The food, the concerts, the activity, that the NBA has done as good a job as you can do with the bubble. Like the medical staff, the entertainment. Well, I do think for the first couple weeks,

guys are going to just be happy to be back hooping again. This is their life, and they haven't been able to do it. And like you said, there have been with their families. A lot. We all of our families. But, you know,

when you go from a routine of an NBA player to being quarantined, it is a big, drastic change and they haven't been able to play basketball, which is not just what they love, but what they've been doing every day for decades. Their life pattern. Right. So I'm sure a lot of them are just going to be happy to just be back playing basketball for

the first couple weeks. I don't think it's the first couple weeks. I think it's the second month. Right. Once you get back into the routine of being in the bubble and you've gotten over the buzz of, you know, hooping again and you're kind of settled in into this Orlando, you know, Utopia World thing that's going on. on down there. That's when it's going to start to set in, especially for the teams that are going to

go later on into the playoffs. The process to get visitors in is really crazy. It's, I'm, I am more skeptical about how this bubble is going to work and how the NBA is going to finish the season than I am of any other sport because it's just, it's just so intimate. And yesterday, the NBA announced that 16 of the 302 players tested on June 23rd, have tested positive. So that is a very, very low number. So that's a, that's a positive thing. And now they can quarantine for the next two weeks before coming down to the bubble. But there's a decent amount of players that have sat out, none of which I'm judging.

It's a very extreme situation. I'm surprised Kevin Durant says he wouldn't go, but he's also not going to go. Yeah, it's easier. Yeah. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News.

Chris Brousard, joining us now. Brought to you by Mercedes-Benz, the best or nothing via the coward global satellite network. Chris Brousard, Fox Sports NBA analyst. Listen, publicly, publicly, if, you know, and Avery Bradley says I don't want to play, everybody's going to say, we get it, it's awesome. But it doesn't make the Lakers better. You know what I mean? So I think publicly we're all going to say the right thing, right?

But do you think if you were a star player and somebody bailed that there may be a little chasm here, a little bit of, come on, man, this is tough for all of us going on in the league? Well, look, the fact that Avery Bradley is not playing because of family issues, that's a little bit different. And I think you got to be pretty cold and callous to question a guy when his son has a respiratory illness. And that's the reason he's not playing. So that said, I do think it just depends on the star, Colin. Like we saw just Kevin Durant said he may not have played. And I get it, it's easy to say when you're injured.

Kyrie Irving saying he would not have played as well. So those are guys, though, that understand the hesitation, the apprehension that certain guys have in playing. And I don't think they're the only stars. I believe there are other stars who are playing, but who are a bit hesitant and who are a bit concerned. And I think a star like that would understand an Avery Bradley situation. With LeBron James, he's never questioned whether or not he was going

going to play, and he's in a different place in his career. For LeBron, this is, I don't think it's his last chance to win a championship, but it is one of his last chances to win it, whereas virtually all of the other superstars are younger and have other opportunities where they can win it. So with a guy like LeBron who knows that he needs all hands on deck and he's all in, you wonder would he, you know, I haven't talked to him and I don't know how he feels about it, but you do wonder if, I mean, clearly it's a hit to the Lakers and it's going to be tough for them to overcome.

Yeah, listen, I'm sure publicly everybody, a lot of people say stuff publicly, and I'm sure LeBron does support his teammate, but let's be honest about this. This morning, the Clippers now are better than the Lakers. We thought they were better before, and I don't think this helps the team, right? Like this is, he's a veteran. He's smart. He's LeBron's kind of dependable two-way player. Yep.

They're not the same team this morning. Colin, I picked the Clippers, you know, early in the season to win it all. And the reason where there were two main things, their depths and their dog, meaning I think they're hungrier. I think up and down the roster, they've got more dogs in their lineup than the Lakers do. Well, one of those dogs was Avery Bradley. Yeah. He's a guy that's mentally tough. plays, as you said, both ends one of the best perimeter defenders in the league and a three-and-d guy.

Remember, the one time this year in three games that they beat the Clippers, Avery Bradley hit six-three, scored 24 points. So this is big, and you look at that depth, and I know they're going to add J.R. Smith or whoever, they're not going to make up for what Avery Bradley gives them. So, look, is it impossible for the Lakers to overcome? No. They have two of the best three players in a series with the clippers in LeBron and AD. But the depth difference has just widened. And then again, that dog difference, in my opinion, has widened. Yeah, I'm watching some Avery.

You know, he's a two-way player. And a lot of guys in this league are not two-way players. And Avery's smart. He's a veteran. He's a two-way guy. We're not saying he shouldn't have done it. I'm just saying that, you know, you understand now some of these stars, their windows are closing.

You know, Zion's fascinating to me because there's, I said this yesterday. James Harden doesn't want to be the face of the league. Westbrook's not good with the media. Kauai doesn't talk. Sometimes the best player, Tim Duncan or Kareem, is not the face of the league. I think if LeBron retired tomorrow,

for the next seven years, I think Zion's going to be the face of the league. He's averaging 24 points, eight rebounds, 59% shooting is a baby. What do you make of this bubble for him? Is he in, reportedly, he's in good shape? Yeah, and that's great.

Because with young guys, especially guys that if they eat the wrong thing, their bodies can blow up, you wonder how will they handle the three, four months away? I wondered it with Joel NB. And it looks like he's in pretty good shape, but that's another guy you wondered about. So if Zion comes back in shape, that speaks to not only how he is physically, but mentally where he's at, a maturity, a responsibility that he has to take care of his body. So I like that. Face of the league, look, there's no doubt that he will be one of them. The question will be how much winning he can do. And he's in that honeymoon phase where the winning isn't a big deal.

But I do think, Colin, he's got to improve in the rebounding. You upped him a notch when you said eight. He's averaging, I think, a tad below seven. But I'll give you that because I know you like the kid. But I got to see a little better rebounding. and defense. And I'm not holding it against him as a youngster that doesn't defend. Very few youngsters enter the NBA defending,

especially ones that are great offensively. LeBron wasn't much of a defender early in his career. So I think Zion, it'll improve. He's in the right situation as far as his teammates. Lonzo Ball is almost a perfect point guard for him. Drew Holliday's a veteran. So he's in a good situation. It would be phenomenal if they could make the playoffs.

And that's going to be a tough chore, they're three and a half games back with eight to play. But if they could, that would be a great step in the right direction. And then next year, the goal becomes not just get to the playoffs, but actually begin to make a little noise once you get there. Finally, let's say LeBron wins it. And I've said this before. If LeBron wins as a Laker, as a Cav, and as a Miami Heat,

that Jordan documentary is going to lose some of its zip. Let's just pretend. Let's just say he wins it. What's it do for his legacy? It's huge. There are several things. Number one, he would now join Kareem Abdul-Jabbar as two of the top three players

to make it to 10 NBA finals. I know he will have lost six, but just to get to 10 NBA finals is phenomenal. The only player who will have led their team to more finals would be Bill Russell with 12. So that would be big.

But here's the other thing, Colin. In this goat conversation and legacy talk, memorable moments and storylines are huge. We still remember what about Jordan? The shrug. Wow. I don't know what's going on. I'm hot from three. I hit seven threes in the first half against Portland.

We remember those moments. And LeBron will have had two of the most memorable storybook final championships in NBA history. Obviously the one in Cleveland, where it was the first championship for the city in 52 years. They came back from a 3-1 deficit, only team ever to do that. They would have beat a 73 win team. He's at the most iconic block shot in NBA history,

throwing in another finals against Gold State that he averaged a triple double. And then this in the season, remember what LeBron said shortly after the tragedy with Kobe Bryant. God gave me big shoulders for a reason. He was saying, I will carry us. We remember his speech at the game where he talked to the Lakers fans about Kobe. If he could deliver L.A. a championship

in the year of Kobe's death, in the year of the COVID pandemic, that would be as memorable as any NBA finals out there. And he's already got another one that's arguably the most memorable. So I think it would be, huge for LeBron's legacy and strengthen his argument in the goat talk for sure. Yeah.

Chris Bruce, so we got planning for the big weekend, Chris. What are you going to do this weekend? You know, I'm a grill master. Yeah. I don't know if you knew. I don't know if that fits my image, but I'm mean on the grill. So I'll be out there with some steak and chicken and burgers and all that, maybe even some ribs. You know what?

Let me just read this. This is a good segue. Imagine picking up your smartphone, opening an app, and controlling your guru. remotely, rectechgrills with an S.com. Nice segue, Chris Broussard. And that was not on purpose. I had no idea. Wow.

Good stuff. Chris Broussard. Thanks, buddy. Now, top of the hour, it's time for another edition of fake press conference. But coming up next, somebody said that Doug Williams, former NFL quarterback, said nobody in the league, the last two years that's been drafted, has Dwayne Haskins' arm talent. And I got to get into this conversation because this is one of the most

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I've always thought Doug Williams, a coach. goes out and says, Dwayne Haskins, second year quarterback, Washington, last two years, nobody's been drafted with more arm talent. So this has always been, what is arm talent mean? Jay Cutler had a strong arm, but I always thought he threw a hard ball. It was hard. He didn't always have good touch. Big Ben has a huge arm.

But I always feel with Cam and Big Ben, big arms, so often the receiver has to wait or it's behind the receiver, it's never in stride. What does it mean? I'll give you an example. So when I started out in this business 25, 30 years ago, in radio, voice mattered. In fact, I was thinking of smoking marlboros and changing my name to Sky Bannister. And just, hi, I'm Sky Bannister and my hair is made of wood. And then I thought after about 10 years, voice doesn't really matter.

And with podcasting, it doesn't matter at all. and with digital it doesn't matter. Voice no longer matters doing radio. Are you compelling? Is your content good? Mark Levin does a radio show. It's a conservative radio show. He's got an annoying voice.

He's got a huge audience. It doesn't matter anymore. People are into content. They don't care about voice. But in radio 25, 30 years ago, you'd watch game shows and radio show. It was bozzie. Guys were barfing on the mic. And it's the same thing.

It used to be in the NFL. You had a big strong arm. But the game has changed. We don't have huddles. More of the decisions have been made at the line of scrimmage. The quarterback has more power than ever. The receivers are more talented. There's more ad-libbing going on.

And so when I think of armed talent, I think of do you throw a catchable ball? Is it in stride? Do you throw a soft deep ball with a feathery touch that drops down from the sky like Seattle's soft rain? do you throw a ball so you don't set your receiver up to get smoked? Now, Mahomes and Carson Wentz can throw it from different angles, but a lot of times with Wentz, it's behind the receiver. Sometimes Mahomes isn't even looking at you and take big risks, which can sometimes get the receiver in trouble.

Now, I don't like the term armed talent, but if I was an NFL receiver and you asked me, who threw the softest deep ball, the most catchable ball. Almost always a tight spire. I mean, we've all played catch before. If Joy and I played catch, it's always easier to catch a spiral than a wobbly football, especially if there's any elements like rain or wind.

It makes the wobbly throw. That's why Peyton Manning was very, very good in a dome. He never threw a beautiful football. I don't want a hard thrower. Kaepernick, Jay Cutler, Big Ben, Cam sometimes. It doesn't feel it's hard. It's behind the guy. This is my, what I call arm talent, feathery soft on the deep ball.

Receiver gets hit in stride. You don't set receivers up to get smoked. We make eye contact. You lead me regularly. Here's my guys. When I watch NFL games, Russell Wilson, I think, throws the most catchable deep ball easily in the NFL. I don't think it's close.

Brady and Breeze almost always. has hit a guy in perfect stride. I think Kyler Murray throws the tightest ball in the league, and I think Goff maybe second in the league in the deep ball. It is just, I mean, honestly, it's a down comforter. It's a pillow. To me, now, this will go out digitally, and I'll get crushed for this. Because everybody's at, what about Mahomes? Mahomes is just the most talented person in the world playing quarterback. He's got a big arm. He can throw it sideways. He doesn't look at you. But at times, he can be a little erratic. Sometimes the strongest arm in the league, Brett Farr, Big Ben, Cam Newton, Patrick Mahomes, Carson Wentz. That doesn't always mean it's the easiest ball to catch.

And to me, this whole league is about what's the easiest ball to catch? Because you can have all this talent. Now you're going to say, well, Mahomes did this and Mahomes did that. Patrick Mahomes is the most talented player. Like if you just said, if you were drafting a quarterback today and you wanted all the skill set, but in terms of easiest ball to catch, that's my five guys. And Matt Ryan was really close. And I'll get crushed for that. Now, I will say this about Russell Wilson. I've never seen in my life a guy throw a more catchable deep ball. It is, you ever noticed this with Russell Wilson? Nobody ever drop. drops the ball. The deep ball. Nobody ever drops his deep ball. It is just, he's just handing it to you.

So there you go. At the top of the hour, I'll be doing a fake press conference. You know, you know, I was talking about the Packers earlier and that we should be really, it's remarkable that are as successful as they are. So Brandon Marshall came on the show yesterday and he said, you know, they just wasted all of Aaron Rogers' talent. Just to show you how, different the Green Bay Packers are from the rest of the league. And I compared them to the post office of professional sports. That the post office and the Packers are grandfathered in. But you'd never use it today.

If you just started making the NFL today, nobody would put a team in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Nobody would have letters six days cross-country. It takes. That would not be anybody's form of communication. So this is how the Packers management structure works. I'm not making this up. I am reading this, this is something like an official site. So in Green Bay, the coach, Matt LaFleur, reports to the general manager.

Now, the general manager then usually goes to the owner. That's not the way it works in Green Bay. The GM reports to the CEO. The CEO reports to a seven-person executive committee, one of whom is the CEO, it doesn't end there. And then the seven-person executive committee reports to a 43-person board of directors. In Dallas, you go down the hall, you knock on Jerry Jones's door and say, can we make this happen? And then you get an answer.

The coach to the GM, the GM to the CEO, the CEO to a seven-person executive committee. and then that committee reports to a 43-person board of directors. What? If you go look at the history of sports, George Steinbrenner, strong owner, championships, the more layers to it, it doesn't, you start looking at the Rooney family. They go to the Rooney family, championships. Bob Kraft, buck stops here, championships.

Eddie DeBartolo, San Francisco, buck stops here, championships. The more layers to it, the tougher it is to win. So we can say Aaron doesn't get this, Aaron doesn't get that, Aaron does get this, Aaron does get that. The Packers like the post office are not built for today. It's remarkable they still succeed. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.

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I Aheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1, I came to a conclusion last night, and I have never given it great deal of thought until last night. But from the minute I wake up until the minute I finish dinner, I am an incredibly disciplined eater and human being. And then about 30 minutes after dinner is done, the wheels come off. And last night, I had top ramen, pumpkin pie, a bowl of cereal, two pieces of of shrimp and peanut butter in an hour, 45 minute setting after dinner. The hell was wrong with me.

The wheels come off. Wake up until dinner's finished. I am literally, you could do a video, a nutrition video about me. And then like 45 minutes after dinner, I am just in the weeds. I can't hit the fairway. Why are the two shrimp? I just went to the store. I got everything.

I just, in my stomach, my boiler last night was play. How does your stomach deal with that? Not great. Not going to lie to you. Not great. Pie, shrimp. Peanut butter, pumpkin pie. Cereal.

What else did you say? Pack of fireworks. Maybe you just need to eat more for dinner. Yeah. Fill up a little more. God, I'm a mess. So here's a story that, you know, there's a reason I don't speak for this company. We got bosses that do that.

Okay, if somebody wants to speak about this show, probably I should be the person to speak about the show, right? It's called The Herd and Stuff. But I always think with the New York Jets, there are a bunch of disparate parts and disparate personalities and they're never kind of functioning on the same wavelength. So yesterday, we all know this

Jamal Adams situation is kind of of inflamed, right? So Greg Williams becomes the first team official to comment on it. What are you doing? It's like Greg, don't make yourself available to the press because you know what the first five questions

are. And he wasn't too bad. He danced around it, but he used the word contract three different times and he's got to handle his contract. Don't mess with a guy's contract. I've got his back on the contract. Okay, this doesn't happen in New England. First of all, he didn't let his coordinators talk, but

not during a crisis, a flammable crisis. So in New York, you've got Adam Gase, who's polarizing. Greg Williams is outspoken and can't keep a job for more than three and four years. Sam Darnold's caught in the middle. Lavian Bell has a GM and a coach that'll probably move him in a year. You got a great safety who's

outspoken wants a new contract, and the GM doesn't want to give it to him. And it's just like, you You got a GM who's cleaning up a previous incompetent GM's mess. And so I said this morning, Derek Jeter and Eli Manning were great. They talked every day and never said anything. There is an art in New York City to talking and not saying anything. So Greg Williams should have never made himself available on any conference call,

on any Zoom meeting to answer any questions about Jamal Adams. And so I said this morning, I'm going to play Greg Williams. We're going to do fake, I have no idea. what the questions are. Joy is going to be an annoying New York beat reporter and is going to ask me a bunch of probing questions and I'm going to pretend I'm Greg Williams, although I would have never made myself available to be asked questions about Jamal Adams. He's the first guy to talk about it, not the coach, not the GM, not the owner. So put the press conference, let's see if I can avoid. I'm going to be grumpy Greg Williams. You ask the questions. I'll see if I can avoid it.

Bill, New York Times, what are your initial thoughts on the Jamal Adams situation? The only situation I know is when he plays, he's great. Mike, New York Post, should the Jets give Jamal a huge contract? That's not my department. There's guys upstairs that do that. They're called lawyers. Sherry, Daily News. Hi, Sherry.

You look a lot like Joey Taylor I used to work with. I get that a lot. What do you make of the reports that Jamal doesn't get along with Adam Gase? I don't know. I get along with Jamal Adams. I mean, he's the best football player I played with in 10 years. I get along with him. I don't know. I mean, do you know who gets along in every family and every company? I get along with him. I never heard that. Christopher from Star Ledger, how would you feel if the Jets traded, Jamal? I'm a defensive coordinator. I don't do contracts. I'm not a doctor.

All I know is when I write my schemes up, he's everywhere I want him to be. Diana, Journal News, what's your relationship with Adam Gase? He's my boss. My relationship is we have meetings on Tuesday and Friday, and I submit to him my game plan. And if he has a problem with it, he tweaks it. He's the head coach. I'm a coordinator. That's my relationship.

Marcus from Newsday. Is Jamal now a distraction from the team? How's he a distraction? He's the best football player, perhaps, on our conference. How is that a distraction? It's not that tough. One more, Joy Taylor, FS1. Oh, F S1, Go ahead, Joy Taylor.

Yeah. Do you think that the relationship with Jamal is beyond repair? Beyond repair? What's the repair? I have an incredible relationship. Every time I see Jamal Adams, we're smiling. It's not that difficult.

Just know when you go to a press conference, know the question that's going to be asked. We have PR people at my company. I don't, I turn down most, I don't want to be interviewed. At this point in my career, there's no value in it. I mean, seriously. But if I get interviewed, I always say, what are the two questions I got to be prepared for?

It's just like, just tell me what are they going to ask about? I don't need to know all the questions, but where do you think they're going on this? Where's the booby trap with this blogger that wants to see me get in trouble? And just stop talking. Stop using the word contract. I got his back. This should just really be only one voice for any organization, especially when it comes to personnel stuff.

I want to go to Eric Mangini, who's been a head coach a couple of times in his life. And he's been a coordinator joining us via the Coward Global Satellite Network. He's in like some place called Cape Cod. Don't even ask me how the technology works. I don't even know how it works. Okay, am I simplifying it? First of all, if I'm Greg Williams, I'm not making myself available until this thing gets talked about.

Second of all, am I simplifying what it's like to stand in front of the media as a coordinator and answer questions on a clearly flammable situation? Well, look, I felt like I was watching one of my old press conferences watching you there. And it doesn't always play well when you answer questions like that. And New England gets criticized all the time because they try to protect proprietary information. They try to make sure that they're not creating distractions, but it's not entertaining. And there's a lot of people that get frustrated with the fact that the answers don't just flow out of there. And it can be a pretty big negative thing.

And you just need to deal with the negative press that goes with that. Now, that being said, I don't think these comments were that bad, Colin, at all. And one of the nice things about being a defensive coordinator, offensive coordinator, position coach is you don't have to be the bad guy. You don't have to play that role. What you do have to do is whether Jamal gets a new contract or doesn't get a new contract, you've got to get him to play at his highest possible level. And that's why these guys are going to try to promote the relationship as much as possible,

and as a head coach, you're fine with that. You're fine with being the bad guy or the GM is fine with playing that role. And the position coaches and the coordinators, they have a different luxury than you have. And they need that relationship to be as strong as possible to maximize the player's performance. All right. So maybe I'm being too critical to Greg Williams there. Maybe I should have just kept quiet. A great job on your press counts.

You're really nicely done. Your hair was disheveled, too. You played the part. Thanks, coach. So it's not just the Tom Brady topic. I want to talk about free agency. So Tom goes to Tampa. You have lost players to free agency

and you have gained them as a head coach and a coordinator. What's the most difficult thing about being a free agency and going into a new culture? Well, you hope to get all the characteristics that that player demonstrated. in his previous, at his previous team, but it doesn't always happen right away. I remember when we brought Steve Atwater to the Jets when I was there with Bill Parcells and I was working with the secondary in Steve Atwater, he's an incredible guy, an incredible

presence. And it's not that he wasn't those things in New York. He just wasn't the dominant personality that he had been previously because these guys are, and to some degree, Alan Fanick, at the start, the same thing. These guys are guys and they want to fit in. They want to show that they can be part of the organization, that they can be part of the locker room that they're involved in. Now, ultimately, their great traits come out.

It just may take a little bit longer than you as a coach and you as an organization wants it to happen because they're trying to fit in as well. You know, yesterday on our show, Brandon Marshall, very talented wide receiver came out and he said, you know, I think Green Bay has sort of wasted Aaron Rogers' career. And, you know, it was interesting. And I thought to myself, well, he's had five offensive linemen make a pro bowl some multiple times.

Six receivers become pro bowlers. So you can't argue, and he's had two offensive head coaches. So those are all above league averages for quarterbacks in the last 10 years. His offensive line's been better than average. He's always got a star receiver, Jordy Nelson, Devante Adams. You know, his slot guy, Randall Kahn made a pro bowl, Greg Jennings, Donald Driver. when you and I at the cop you know it's interesting about I mean hell Dan fouts had a great coach so did Dan Marino they never won Super Bowls what do you make about the argument many have made that Green Bay has wasted Aaron Rogers talent well then you could make that that argument about a lot of situations has Drew Breeze been wasted in New Orleans was Peyton Manning wasted in Indianapolis and and if you're looking at Green Bay you could say that they've epically wasted quarterbacks because they had Brett Farr before they had Aaron Rogers and he only won one Super Bowl.

This is a really interesting debate because Belichick and Brady set the bar. So you have a great quarterback. And if you truly have a great coach, then six Super Bowls is now the bar. And all these other situations where it's one Super Bowl or no Super Bowls and you've got Hall of Fame talent, has that organization wasted the talent? you have something that most teams don't don't get close to. And it's it is a very, very interesting debate. Yeah.

Yeah, we were saying that this morning. Dan Marino had a Hall of Fame coach, no Super Bowls. Dan Fouts had a Hall of Fame coach in incredible weapons, and he didn't have a Super Bowl. And I consider those guys, two of the top 12 quarterbacks I've ever seen in my life. So it is interesting. Now, you know as a former coach that you know, You can't be a Puritan with NFL.

Not everybody may share every value you have. Talent wins in this league. Antonio Brown can be disruptive, and there's things he's done as a human I don't like. But good God, for six years, he was Randy Moss. Baltimore, Seattle are interested. Coach, if you ran the Seahawks or Ravens, would you roll the dice on him?

Antonio Brown, what, 18 months ago, led the NFL in touchdowns, 15 touchdowns. The last time he played, he was explosive and playing or coaching against him for years and seeing the things that he's able to do. He's an incredible talent. And there's three teams that have significant dead money on their cap because he's an incredible talent.

Now, whether or not you can get him to Sunday is a big question mark. And whether or not he's going to be able to play and the commissioner is going to let him play. That's a big question mark. But all that being said, if you get him to the field, you've got something special and there's very few players like him. So I would imagine Seattle would take that chance. And look, Pete could make it work. Pete, Pete has made some players work that other people thought, you know, couldn't. Yeah. You know, finally, so we were talking about armed talent. And I said, when I got in radio 25 years ago,

people thought you had to have a great voice. I clearly disprove that. So it's more about content now and what you say. And I've heard this talent. No, I think Patrick Mahomes is the best arm talent, sideways, arm angles, all that stuff. Carson Wentz is great. But I think if you're asking me who throws the most catchable ball,

Russell Wilson, Jared Goff, Drew Breeze, Brady, Kyler, guys, the ball is just pillowy soft, perfect. I think Jared Gauthto is one of the best deep balls I've ever seen for a young quarterback. So let me ask you as a coach, is it arm strength? Is it touch? How do you fall in that stuff? Well, I'm a little bit more in line with you, Colin. I look at, is it a catchable catchable ball or not a catchable ball? And I've had plenty of guys with tremendous arm strength. And what happens is it's like that old saying, if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. And they can't put, they can't put any touch on the ball. They can't

throw the short swing route to the back. They can't throw the shallow cross. It's either behind the guy or in front of the guy or bounces off his face mask. And arm talent is is another aspect of it where you want them to be able to make all the throws. But the question is, can he throw a ball that is catchable? And does he make the receivers work for the balls that they have to catch? There's guys that can get it out in front of receivers and let him catch and run, where there's a bunch of quarterbacks where it's so awkwardly placed that even when they catch it, they just fall down. So it's like, to me, it's more what you're saying.

Is it a catchable ball as opposed to armed talent or armed strength? Yeah. So you're out there in Cape Cod. That is, boy, I'll tell you, that's a ritzie part of the country. Now, when, it's nowhere near the part of the country you live in college. I live in a small secluded grotto in a small little town in Los Angeles. Angeles. Cape Cod is like the Kennedys and stuff.

I couldn't afford a like a shack in that town. A bird bath. Anything. Okay. Get out here. I'll buy a steak. Good seeing you. All right. Good seeing you, Colin. Eric Mangini won three Super Bowls.

Yeah, he's out there. You know, one of the things about that area, so Cape Cod's great. And then there's Martha's Vineyard. My buddy Ryan Rosillo grew up there. I used to go to Nantucket, which this boomerang-shaped island. My wife is afraid of flying. So you'd have to fly these little tiny like prop crop dusters out to Nantucket.

If you live in the West Coast and you've never gone to Nantucket, let me just be the Chamber of Commerce spokesman. It is incredible. You fly into this boomerang island. It is, you'll see celebrities. You'll see it's the best lobster. Literally, they just grab lobster and they throw it on your lobster roll. It's still moving.

It's the best lobster Nantucket. I'll have to add it to my list. I've never been. Yeah. That whole region is so unique in America. Cape Cod, Martha's Vineyard, Nantucket, but you'll have to take a tiny plane. I don't mind the tiny planes. And it'll bounce around a lot because it's windy.

Man, that place is nice. It is nice. No, I'm not taking a boat. I watch Jaws. How long is the boat take? I don't know. There's a ferry, I think, out there. And I just want to get on planes.

I'm not a huge ferry fan. Yeah. You make your poor wife who hates flying, get on a little propeller plane so they just taking a quick ferry ride? You know a plane is small when they tuck the luggage in the nose of the plane. Yeah. When they open the nose up and they jam. Have they ever taken a sea plane when it literally lands on the water?

Once, San Juan Islands in East Sound in Washington State. Yeah. I've taken some crazy forms of transportation. Coming up next, LeBron takes a shot at the NFL. That's next. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened.

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But I do understand that an apology, I have not heard a true official apology to Colin Kaepernick on what he was going through and what he was trying to tell the NFL and tell the world about why he was kneeling when he was doing that as a San Francisco 49er. So I just see that to still be wrong. And now they are listening some, but I still think we have not heard that official apology to a man who basically sacrificed everything for the better at his world. That's an opinion.

I don't have to agree with it. I can. I can. It doesn't matter. But I will say this. I don't always have an opinion in the middle. of crisis. Because people and companies regularly get thrown into what I would call the outrage blender. And if you've never been in it and I have, it's real time. And I find in life that everybody

is just an expert on it when viewing it from the rear view mirror. But life comes at you through the windshield. No league is really comfortable with players kneeling for the anthem. They're not. That's why the NBA banned it 20 years ago when a player sat for the, the anthem. Then they banned it. And then the NFL let Kaepernick kneel. And then two years later, 2018, they banned it. Nobody's truly comfortable because it does tick off some Americans. I'm not one, but it ticks off lots of people. The NFL Kaepernick's situation was tough. It happened

suddenly. It caught people off guard. TV ratings were going down. The media was crushing you. People were taking sides. Advertisers were pushing back. The president who was more popular was taking shot after shot at you. It was a real-time crisis. There were no easy answers. But of course, when we look at life through the rearview mirror, with time and reflection and various contexts,

the answers are always much easier. But the NBA doesn't let you sit or kneel for an anthem because they struggle with this like 20, 25 years ago, and they weren't comfortable with it. By the way, one of the reasons I did not rip LeBron James or Steve Kerr during that China mess earlier this year. Darry came out with a tweet about China, and China's government said we're taking away our billions of dollars with the NBA. And then LeBron and Steve Kerr came out, and I thought were a little bumpy, could be viewed as a little hypocritical, that they weren't clobbering China

for some awful human rights violations almost felt like they were supporting him, but being critical of our government, which they have a right to do. But I didn't bang on LeBron because it was a real-time crisis. I've been in them before. There's no easy answers.

You're getting attacked from one side and supported from the other, and your bosses are yelling at you, and the owner's mad at you, and the GM's going to get fired. Kaepernick was not easy. Ratings down. President Polking

President Ripin, advertisers concerned, players supporting him, players against him. Folks, real life is coming at you through the windshield. It's always way easier watching it through the rear view mirror. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the Herdline News, sponsored by Liberty Mutual Insurance, only pay for what you need. Well, on paper, the falcons offense looks explosive. Matt Ryan, Julio Jones, Calvin Ridley.

Todd Gurley. And Ryan believes this year's skill players can be as good as the group that they had in 2012 when Atlanta went 13 and 3 and almost reached the Super Bowl. We had a pretty good unit in 2012 with, you know, Roddy White, Julio Jones, Michael Turner, Tony Gonzalez. I mean, those guys were all pretty good. But I've got to imagine, you know, this is, you know, right up there with them. I think you're talking about Julio and his prime, Calvin Ridley going into year three coming into his own.

You got Todd Gurley, who's hungry, who wants to, you know, prove it this year. Hayden Hurst, another guy, first round draft pick. It's got to be right up there, you know, I think so. I've been lucky. Well, we know that you can't quit the Falcons. I won't, nope. No, I'm done with them. Nope.

No, I'll come back. Then after a couple times and she keeps cheating on you, they got to bail on the girl. I'm done with Atlanta. You could not quit the Falcons last year. I couldn't quit them for a long time. I quit them. You quit the Falcons? I think Saints win it.

Tampa Bay second and Carolina, a surprising third. You think they come in last in the division? It won't be a bad last. It won't be a five and eleven. It'll be like an eight and eight, seven, and nine. I think Carolina is way better offensively than people think. Their schedule is brutal, but I think they're offence. I think they're going to surprise people.

I think they're going to ruin a couple people's season. They're not a playoff team. Yeah, because they are better than people. By the way, Denver last year was that. Yeah. Denver ruined a couple people's season. Denver was a pain in the butt. Well, I'm glad this is live.

You always ask it for taping this because much like the coffee situation, I have a feeling at some point in the season you're going to jump back on the family. Well, when I like the owner of the GM and the quarterback, it's hard for me not to get sucked into the whole thing. And I do. Their coach is a day-to-day situation, game-to-game situation. So Aaron Rogers isn't the only Packer dealing with the team drafting a rookie in his position.

Green Bay also drafted running back AJ Dylan in the second round this year. But Aaron Jones thinks it will. make him work even harder this season. He said, I know it's the NFL. They're bringing in guys every day to compete. So it's just going to raise my game. And I'm excited to have him here and start working with him, teaching him the playbook and everything. It's a little bit different when it comes to the running back position, obviously, than the quarterback position. I didn't love their draft of a running back. You know, didn't love it. I can, I can argue on behalf of Jordan Love. That I get. Six-four, big arm runs around future of the NFL. I will always defend a team

if they really graded quarterback high and go, our guy's 35, we're in. I'll totally defend a team on that. I would have no problem with the Jordan Love draft pick if they hadn't moved up to get him. Okay, that's fair. If he fell to them, I'd have felt more comfortable with it.

This I actually don't have a problem with them taking it to Dylan because I feel like you should almost draft or running back every draft, not necessarily that high if you have someone like Aaron Jones, who is a very good running back. But with injuries, like that's a position that you don't, I wouldn't mind having death. at and again like he's he's comfortable and confident in his position on the team so being able

to help him and you know teach him the playbook as he said help him develop it's only going to make the team better it's Aaron Jones position like he's he's the running back oh yes absolutely for the Packers finally Mike Tyson has been preparing for boxing comeback we've seen some pretty intense videos he's been posting on social media and there was talk that current heavyweights Tyson Fury could be an opponent. Fury said that they did have discussions about putting together a fight, but ultimately it fell apart because of money. He said there was talk of it.

I was contacted by Mike Tyson's people. It was definitely real, but never materialized. Whoever was offering the comeback money to Mike offered us peanuts. Mike was talking about 500 million pound figures, but what came back to us on paper was a joke. I did have a $10 million offer to do the fight as an exhibition, but I think everyone has moved on now. Well, it was out there then.

Yeah, I mean, it's, it's, I don't. think Fury has a lot to win. It's great for Mike. He also called the tight fight with Tyson a lose-lose situation for him because he didn't need to fight a man past his best. And also, he doesn't need the money and he's the champ. So there's very little winning it for- He doesn't need the money. He's the champ. He's going, he has another fight with Wilder, as we know that they're probably going to fight later on this year. Then he has two fights with Anthony Joshua after that, regardless of how that Wilder fight goes. So he's, he's lined up with legitimate fights as the heavyweight champ right now.

So he doesn't need to fight Mike Tyson at 53. It just would have been interesting. It's certainly not for the money. But he's right. As much as I would have liked to see this, and I would have been interested in it, if you really think about it, he's the heavyweight champ fighting Mike Tyson.

Like, Mike Tyson has completely rehabilitated his image. It would be interested in this. Yeah, people like Mike now. Yeah. So if we get, he gets in there and it's bad on Mike. Like, that's not a good look for Tyson's very good. We can be like, we'll change our mind immediately. Why are you fighting Mike Tyson?

Like, this is not even reasonable. And then if he loses to Mike Tyson. It's brutal. Right. Then what happens? So it is a lose-lose situation for him. I still would like to see an exhibition, maybe with Shannon Briggs or someone else. But Mike seems like he wants to fight, so we'll see.

Well, stranger things have happened. They have. They have. It's 2020. Yeah, Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News.

So yesterday on the show, Brandon Marshall came out. He said basically, I think we have the bite where he just said, listen, Green Bay has wasted Aaron Rogers career. And here's Brandon Marshall on yesterday's show. Do you guys have it? It's too late. Come on, man. They should have won two Super Bowls in the last five years.

To me, Aaron Rogers is my favorite quarterback in the NFL. But you wasted this guy's career. You got one Super Bowl out of Aaron Rogers? Are you kidding me? It's too late. It's too late. So have they underserved Aaron Rogers? We went back this morning and looked at all the tiers of Super Bowl wins.

Not how good the quarterbacks are, but how many have they won? And so there's a handful of all-time great quarterbacks that never won a Super Bowl. Dan Marina never won a Super Bowl. Dan Fouts, Jim Kelly and Warren Moon, and Fran Tarkington. By the way, they all, all had great coaches. Warren had great weapons, perhaps. not the great coach. So four of five had great coaches. Well, if you have a great coach, that generally means you have support. Here's the guys that won one Super Bowl, Breeze,

Russell Wilson, Brett Farve, Kurt Warner, Aaron Rogers, Steve Young. Well, again, Mike Holmgren, Sean Payton, Pete Carroll, you start looking at these guys. They had support. I mean, the Packers are a well-run team. He had Mike McCarthy into Matt LaFleur. They're offensive guys. Aaron Rogers has had five different offensive linemen in his career in Green Bay make a pro bowl, better than league average, and five different wide receivers. Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings, Randall Cobb, Donald Driver, Devante Adams make a Pro Bowl. That's beyond the league average. And now we go to quarterbacks with two Super Bowls.

Okay? And there's Bart Starr and Roger Stoback and Bob Greasy and Jim Plunkett and John Elway and Payton and Payton and Payton's way better than Bill. Payton's better than Bart Starr and Bob Greasy and Jim Plonket in. It's kind of some had good coaches, some didn't. Then we go to three Super Bowls. There's only one of those guys in the NFL, Troy Aikman. So here's the quarterbacks for the most Super Bowl wins. Brady's got six, Montana four, Bradshaw and Montana had great coaches.

Troy Eichman's got three. He had a great coach for a while, but not forever. And do you see, there's no real thread? Some guys got great coaches and were great quarterbacks and didn't win any. and some guys Eli Manning were really good quarterbacks who had a really good coach and they won two. And then outside of really Tom Brady, Joe Montana and Terry Bradshaw,

you could say everybody left stuffed on the table. You could say everybody left stuff on the table. Jimmy Johnson doesn't retire. Doesn't Aikman win two more? So like to me there's no common threat. I don't think Aaron's been over-served or underserved. O-line better than average, receivers better than average, two offensive coaches.

He's gotten a break on. dysfunction, both Detroit and Chicago, kind of dysfunctional in his organization. I don't think he's been given unbelievably great Peyton Manning offensive weapons, or Dante Scarnicke as an offensive coach, or Pete Carroll as a defensive play designer. But there's no rhyme or reason on the Super Bowl thing. Are you good? He is. And do you have enough support to win?

He does. Trent Del for next, The Herd. Want more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the plays, the controversies,

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So we've got about nine and a half minutes on this thing, so I want to get to it, Trent. So we got into this discussion earlier where Jay Cutler had a great arm, but I thought he threw a hard ball. Big Ben's got a great arm. but he often throws it behind receivers. I know Mahomes is some godlike super armed talent. I think it's touch, as long as you can make 95% of the throws. What do you make of the term armed talent? Well, I think I invented it, to be honest with you.

I don't know if I invented it. I started using it on TV before anybody else about 12 years ago because I was really frustrated with that conversation. I just left the league. I was evaluating college guys for ESPN. I was working with the Elite 11, and I kept getting these conversations, these archaic conversations with personnel people about arm strength. And I was like, I don't understand, you know, why arm strength is this big differentiator amongst quarterbacks. I just got them playing.

I've studied the best guys. I played against the best guys, and it wasn't always their arm strength that differentiated them. It was so many other things about their talent. And I was sitting with a GM, a Super Bowl GM, and we were having this conversation. He was challenged me on what is. As an evaluator, you're looking at talent, talent of an offensive guard, talent as a receiver, talent as a running back, talent as an NBA player, a baseball player, lacrosse player, soccer player. Well, talent encompasses all the different traits that that athlete has.

And I said, what if we called it armed talent? And by using the term armed talent, it's saying he has a lot of different talent within his arm. He can change the tempo on the ball. He can use touch. He can throw it deep. He can anticipate. He can change arm angles. And if we start using a term in evaluation circles of armed talent,

then hopefully people are smart enough to differentiate between strength, power, right? I love Mangini's example of the hammer, right? Or an encompassing talent that really shows that, wow, this guy can do a lot of things throwing the football. That's what armed talent was intended to be. It's just been hijacked by lazy analysts that want to use a fit. Instead of saying arm strength, they say arm talent when that was never the intent. You played in Tampa Bay, and I love asking people who have played in Tampa Bay. Yesterday, I asked Brandon Marshall about jet stuff because he's played there.

I always thought New England's culture was academic and intense. I've always thought Tampa's talent was loose, too loose for my taste, not as urgent, not as intent, and not as serious. I don't worry about Brady completing passes. I wonder how his intensity will fit into the more relaxed Tampa. I mean, you and I were both there, into the more laissez-faire relaxed culture of Tampa. Do you think it fits? Well, I agree with you. That is typically the Tampa proper mentality.

I think two things on this topic. One, you don't have a choice when Tom Brady is your quarterback. The edge of uncomfortable is where you find greatness. He's going to make everybody uncomfortable, and because of that, they're going to find their greatness. going to be growing pains in that. There's any pushback in that. They're not going to agree with his ways all the time, but guess what? You don't have a choice. You've got to jump on and follow him because he will drag you to a championship. I do think there's another element, though, and you know this about Tampa. There's a whole other part about Tampa, and that's the East Coast

migration. There are a lot of hard edge, high achieving, academic, intense people that spend a lot of time in Tampa but aren't Buck's fans. I think now they will, they will gravitate to the buck new mentality. They will gravitate to Tom Brady and his intensity, and they'll have a reason to be Buckingers fan because he relates more to their hard-edge mentality from these coats. Yeah. You know, yesterday Brandon Marshall said it's an interesting use of words.

He said the Packers have wasted Aaron Rogers' career. And to that, I would say, winning Super Bowls, there's no rhyme or reason. Dan Marino and Dan Fouts and Jim Kelly were great with great coaches. They didn't win it. I mean, who can explain it? I like Eli. I don't know if he's two Super Bowl's great, Eli, but he won him.

What do you make of the word Aaron Rogers' career in Green Bay has been wasted? I think it's a little strong. I think you can use not maximize instead of wasted. I think you have a generational talent, Aaron Rogers, one of the top five most talented guys. has ever played a position. A very good leader to an intense guy, a hard worker, a tough guy, you know, has all the intangibles.

And they never supported him with one other defining traits with the team. So they kind of put too much on him. I would argue the one common denominator in all these multiple Super Bowl winning quarterbacks is supported by a great defense or a great defensive coaching mind. Yeah.

I still believe defenses win championships. in multiple championships. Yes, the game is changing. Yes, you need to invest more on offense. I'm not arguing that side of it. But if you go down that list that you went through earlier, the common denominator there's support, those quarterbacks were supported by great defenses or a great defensive mind.

People never give the great 49ers teams enough credit for the defense football they played. I grew up in the Bay Area, Joe Montana's epic. He's amazing. So is Roger Craig. So is Jerry Rice, Dwight Clark, Brent Jones. However, those defenses were suffocating, and it gave the ball back to Joe. Terry Bradshaw gave the ball back to Terry. Tom Brady, Belichick's defense gave the ball back to Tom Brady.

Troy Aikman's defenses in Dallas gave the ball back to Troy Aikman. So I would say the big whiff in Green Bay was they didn't have the foresight to invest a lot of money into their defense. I think they made some bad hires from defensive coaching, defense coordinator of coaching positions. they should have supported Aaron better with a better defense. I don't believe in purity in pro sports. It's about talent. Not everybody's going to have my values. I totally get it.

I just don't want them to be disruptive, but I'd roll the dice on some people. Antonio Brown, Seahawks, Ravens are mentioned. Your thoughts? Culture coaches in football, two guys I respect as much as anybody that create a culture where you can be yourself in the locker room. Their players love them.

They create competitive environment. so you're free to, like I said, you're free to be who you are because those teams thrive and you're out. They can take on some risk, unlike other teams with bad culture. However, I know how talented Antonio Brown is. I know what a difference maker is. At the end of the day, it is not about Willie's and Jokes. It is about the holistic development of your organization from owner all the way down.

And when you bring in that type of alpha personality with that type of baggage with his other issues just with the league alone, I don't even know if Pete and Don could absorb that type of risk. I don't know. It's really, to be honest, to be the only NFL narrative I'm following right now, I get all my NFL from you. This is really the narrative that I'm paying attention to because it's fascinating to me if a team is willing to take on this type of risk. If you ran the Jets, would you trade Jamal Adams or keep him? What would you do? I'd pay him. I think He's a fantastic player if he's willing to stay there with a new contract. I actually like his personality.

I like the edge he creates in the locker room. I would do everything I could to keep him. Yeah. And I think you're probably right. I said the other day, I have a new rule. If I draft you and you're the best player in the league within two years, I'll pay you early. Yep. That's kind of my role.

Overpay them. Yeah. Overpay him. Yeah. Because that's the whole game here. overpay a guy like, you can overpay a guy like that, and then have these less impactful negotiation issues with, you know, B-plus players. Yeah.

But don't have them with your A-plus players. Good talking to you. Have a nice summer. You're the best, man. See it. 15 years. Pro Bowl, Super Bowl, Trent Dilfer. That's a good way to say it.

Don't have contentious negotiations with your best players. If you got to get contentious with the right guard, get contentious. But don't, don't take care of your, you know, that's what Jimmy Johnson used over, always say. What was, I trade them, what was Jimmy Johnson said? I treat all my players the same except differently. Yeah, I treat them all the same, different. Like Troy Echman's different than the right guard. I just don't understand the value of drafting someone, then they get good and then you don't want them there.

No, Jimmy Johnson's saying was, I treat them all fair, I don't treat them the same. Yeah. Like Goulet gives me hockey scores. Some days I'm in a bad mood and I let him have it. Where Tui go? Did he disappear in the ether? I haven't seen Tui in him. Oh, he's in my ear here.

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Next weekend, not this, but next weekend is, July 4th. Join our work early next week. Midweek, we're out. Sale items not included in that. Jamal Crawford has played 19 years in the NBA. He grew up in the Pacific Northwest, an underrated high school basketball area, three times six man of the year. He was a top 10 draft pick years ago. Now he's not playing now, but he's been a score and a shot maker his entire career. So as players select the opt-out option, don't be shocked if he gets a call. And Jamal Crawford is joining us comfortably via the Coward Global Satellite Network. You know, the virus is obviously Jamal real.

Players can, you know, some are having babies, some Avery Bradley's son has a respiratory concern. Do you think it's possible there would, anybody would harbor resentment on a player that would back? out of playing in Orlando. It's possible, but I'm not sure that you can hold it against a person. You know, each person has to make an individual decision. Obviously, there's no playbook that we seem to go through something like this. So a guy like Avery Bradley, without teammates knowing the whole situation, when they first heard about it, they may say,

okay, why is he not coming? We're fighting for a championship, but not knowing that he's dealing with family issues or potentially deal with family issues. So there'll be guys with situations like that that you just can't hold against. them. Like I said, you want to show solidarity, but in this situation, you have to make a decision based on you and your family and your well-being. In my life, NBA playoffs have overwhelmingly favored veteran players. Veteran players can manipulate refs. They can manipulate series. They know when to turn it on, turn it off. It becomes a very intellectual game. It's about kind of manipulating and

massaging the sport as you get into the postseason and knowing when to really what, what most Moments matter more. And that's why I think the NBA is always rewarded kind of the men of the NBA as we get later in the season. But this is different. And some of those older bones may need more time. You know, I look at myself and I look at Zion and the Pelicans, and I'm like, I don't know if I'd want to face them in the first round. There's a lot I don't know about Zion. Could this be the weird year that a Pelican team with a bunch of new parts, young guys, tons of energy,

ready to go pops in the playoffs. It could definitely be that year. You know, that would be exciting for everybody to watch. But like you say, on the flip side of that, veteran players and guys who have been around know how to prepare. And obviously, there's nothing like playing basketball and doing five-on-five things. But guys know how to take care of their bodies.

They know when they're in tune with their bodies and where they need to be at a certain time. So I'm sure they've been ramping it up as they've gotten worried that, you know, this is really going to happen. And on the other side, like you said, the young guys are coming with a lot of energy, you know, and they know that's one of their, gifts in this situation, have as much energy as possible, continue to just really push the pace

and try to get easy baskets and get out and run as much as possible. So it'll be an interesting dynamic, and if I'm not there, I'm going to enjoy watching it. So Joy and I have said, I've seen baseball games with no fans. It's called Spring Training. And I've watched football games with no fans. I've watched Spring College football games. But I've never seen basketball with no fans. And there is a stylistic element to NBA basketball that I love. It's a little bit of showtime. It's, you know, Rucker Park in New York. It's always had a stylistic component to the game that I love.

There's a little bit of art to basketball. Well, there's going to be no fans. It's going to feel hollow. Like, what am I going to watch here? Do you think the game becomes a little more one-on-one, a little more trash-talkie with nobody in the stands? Yeah, it definitely goes back to the playground, right? It's like the summer when it's just you guys in the gym

that probably kicks in. You feel like it's a more level playing field, so you're not playing on the road or you're not playing at home. You know, you don't have that kind of safety net. You just have to go forward and have pride and understand the bigger picture what you're shooting for. But I think you'll definitely see more engagement as far as trash talking and kind of guys going at each other because you have to kind of muster up your own energy as well.

You know, and that's when the pride really kicks in. It's going to be an interesting dynamic. Like I said, it should be a lot of fun to watch. I think we'll see some things we weren't even thinking about. Generally in the NBA regular season, Jamal Crawford, us. It's kind of understood that you've got to get to about late January right before the trading deadline and all the chemistry sort of kicks in. Well, you don't have a lot of time now. Like we got eight games and we're going to the playoffs. Could it be clunky basketball?

Is there a team or two you look at and think, you know what? They'll be able to flip a switch. They'll be able to make it work because I've never, we've never seen anything like this. Four months off and then you zero to 60, go. Who does that benefit? Oh, I think it benefits a team like the Lakers, having vet players. I think it benefits a team like the Clippers because maybe a couple of their guys, a couple of their key guys were a little bit banged up. Now they've had a chance to rest and get healthy. And when you take time off like that, you know, you're ready to go.

You're really charged up. You're ready to get out there and get back to your conference zone and playing that competitive nature kicks in. So I think it really benefits those guys. The young guys have been working, like we said, and they know what they're playing for a shot to get to the playoffs, a team like the Pelicans. So it'll be very, very fun, and you'll see some stuff that may shock you in some ways.

So let's talk about this. So I could look at it two ways. I could say because of the pandemic, players have never been around their family and kids more. I mean, they've been with them for four months. So the first 10 to 15 days, they'll probably get a break going to Orlando and there'll be concerts and the food's great. And then there's part of me that thinks, okay, they've gone from isolation to another isolation platform.

So do you, let me just ask you, how do you think you, all the years in the NBA, you're used to the travel, you're used to being in those hotel rooms by yourself, will it wear down players with the isolation in the bubble? How does it work? Yeah, I've seen they had, you know, barbers come in and different entertainment values, but, you know, I think mentally you have to make that transition and change before you actually go there, right? You have to know, okay, I'm really about to be in isolation. I'm really about to lock in on Netflix or whatever it is. I'm really about to get lost. in my team, and I'm really going to sacrifice and stay mentally locked in for these next two to three months. And that's what you have to make the change at it. If you mentally lock

in before you go there, no matter how hard it is, you understand the goal you're shooting for, and it's worth the sacrifice. So, yeah, I think the mental change and transition will happen before they actually step up with there. So you've played almost 20 years in the NBA, and I want to talk about how the league has changed. So when you entered the league, college basketball was kind of like the platform that sent you players. Now they come internationally. Now they come from G League. The game is now more tailored to you. You probably wish you would have entered the league now with more three-pointers. It's a get-up and down the floor, shoot, Space League. I would think you like the new NBA, but it's kind of

centerless. What do you make of the cultural changes to your sport and the sport in general going forward? I like the changes. I think you have to adapt. You have to continue to move things forward. I think it's fun to watch. Obviously, you know, who doesn't want to shoot a lot of three-pointers and get up and down the court. But I also think there is a place for the center, you know, and I think you see the slow-down game as the playoffs coming to play. And that's where teams and people really start watching even a lot more is because it's more of a grinded out. And possessions mean more. You know, it's not so free-flowing.

It's about heart and will and how you're going to play chess and kind of figure out different situations. But like you said, when I first came into the league, no matter how good a shooter you were, if you took six to seven-threes a game, especially as a point guard, you end up on the bench. Your job is to get the ball to the wing score, a dominant score, whether it be Kobe or Paul Pierce or McGrady or Iverson guys like that, or get the ball in the shack, Duncan, or Garnett. So it was just a different game. So it's definitely tailor-made towards the guards.

And it's fun. It's a fun time to go, and I'm training my son the same way. We're shooting a lot of three-pointers. We're getting to the basket. We're shooting everything in between. So it's a fun way to play. I think kids enjoy it. I think it's based on skill now.

It's just a younger league. When I was coming into the league, if you were in school for a year, you were looked at as a project or having potential. Now the NBA kind of clamors for guys that only been there a year. They're like, they can get with the best players in the world, the best systems, and get better here against the best players, instead of staying four years, you know, how much you're going to improve in their mind if you stay four years already.

So it's interesting to watch the shift, but it's been fun. You know, one of the things I worry about, and I've said this, I worry about a player going from like a high school to the pros because of the emotional issues. You can't go to a bar, you can't go to a club, and there's isolation. You were a three-time six-man-of-the-year award, clearly good enough to start for a majority of NBA teams.

So I could argue not only your skill, but your maturity and your coachability and your flexibility kept you in the league for a lot of years. You weren't somebody, I mean, you would just say, I'm going to accept my role off the bench, and I'm going to be the best bench player in the league. Go back to 19 years. were there players that you watched?

Because I do look at young guys coming to the league and think, man, we don't spend enough time emotionally with these guys. If a guy doesn't hit by year three, a coach just bails on him and waits for the next draft pick. Go back to your career. Do you think your maturity is why you lasted two decades? Did you see players with more talent than perhaps you that didn't work because they weren't emotionally ready for this league?

Absolutely. And you have to have a certain level of maturity. You have to have good vets. I think vets are so underrated, and not just in sports. I think even in your job, you know, who better to learn from than you or the people that have done it for so long for a young up-and-comer coming up, you know, to tell them, hey, do this, don't do that, and stay away from this, and you should do this more.

Those things, vets were instrumental in my career, you know, and it's about getting out of yourself, and that's how I kind of came to coming off the bench. For me, I'd never come off the bench before in my life, but I was tired of being known as a good score on bad teams. Here I am halfway in my career, and when you do that you sacrifice a lot, you sacrifice starting roles.

You sacrifice the chance to make the All-Star team. Obviously, if you make All-Star teams, you make more money, you know, but I wasn't worried about any of that. I was like, what's best for my team? I want to be known as a winner, and I think this is the best way for me to come off the bench. You know, I try to embrace that role, and you can't have an ego. You know, you have to really stay in love with the game. You have to continue to learn.

You have to continue to mature, and I think you'll have a long career, and I think those things are instrumental. Is your son a point garden? It is a combo guard. He's kind of tall right now for his age. So he plays both. He plays point-in-s shooting guard. How old is he?

He's 10. He just turns 10. So when will he beat you? Oh, no, no, no. No, no, that's not happening. I have an older son who plays college basketball. He plays D-2, and we've been playing all summer, and he's yet to beat me. So I'm still sharp, even though you haven't seen me on the NBA court.

I'm still sharp. I'm ready to go, just okay. Jamal, absolute pleasure. Man you've aged well. he's a smart guy, a credit to the game. I just love having you on the show. You're always welcome. Anytime you want to come on, please call my producer, my man.

Whenever you want me, I appreciate it. Thank you. All right, Jamal Crawford. Just a total credit to the NBA. That guy's one of those guys works on every roster. Shoot, score, coach, smart, sacrifice. That's what it's all about. Team Sports.

Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So Roger Goodell said the NFL was wrong for not listening. to the players' message when they began kneeling in 2016 and encouraged teams to give Colin Kaepernick another chance, but LeBron James thinks Kaepernick still deserves a direct apology from the league. As far as the NFL, I'm not in those locker rooms. I'm not with those guys, but I do understand

that an apology, I have not heard a true official apology to Colin Kaepernick on what he was going through and what he was trying to tell the NFL and tell the world about why he was kneel. when he was doing that as a San Francisco 49er. So I just see that to still be wrong. And now they are listening some, but I still think we have not heard that official apology to a man who basically sacrificed everything for the better of his world.

I might get one. I mean, I think that he should. It's kind of hard to say that you're embracing everything that's happening and then at the same time be kind of like vaguely speaking about the person who not only started it, but also sacrificed the most because of the message. Like, obviously, there were a lot of guys that kneeled, and most of those guys are still in the NFL.

Obviously, Kaepernick is a quarterback. It's a different situation. I understand all that. But we all know Kaepernick is not in the league because he chose to do that. But now, in the space that we are in now, the conversations that we're having now, if you say that you support Black Lives Matter that you understand what Kaepernick's message was now that you know it's not about the flag

it's kind of it's kind of hard to say all that I feel like yeah and then not say yeah like Kaepernick was right and he deserves an apology for the way that he was treated by the league I mean obviously got very contentious at one point but here we are like we're having that conversation now he was right he was doing the right thing whether you like you feel you shouldn't protest at work it's it was the platform that he had and he chose to use it

I feel like that he should get an apology as well. I understand where LeBron is coming from also. He sacrificed three and a half years of the prime of his career. Whatever you think that Kaepernick was, if he comes into the league now, he is going to have suffered from not being in a league for the past couple years, even as a backup. Competition and practices, going through training camp,

being in meeting rooms. Like, he's not been able to do that. Now, he has been working out. But as we know, we're talking about this right now, dealing with the pandemic, there's a difference between, you know, making sure that you're in good shape and throwing to some receivers and also being in training camp and being on the sidelines or getting in the game as a backup quarterback. So I think he's going to get an opportunity this year and I think that he should.

But I also think it's time to just directly say it, not dance around it. So Dwayne Haskins has a lot to prove going into his second year in the NFL. Washington's senior VP of player development, Doug Williams, has a lot of faith in the young quarterback and some high praise for his talent. I don't care who came out this year, last year. There's not a quarterback that come out in the last two years that has the ability from arm strength standpoint and arm talent that Duane Askin has. Duane can throw with the best of them.

Now mentally, he has control the other part. And I think he has aligned himself and realized that's what he has to do. And I think that's what he's doing. I think at the end of the day, give him an opportunity to do what everybody else do. to improve a wonder game. Yeah, we'll see. So I did a list today.

Everyone's very mad at you. Patrick Mahomes is trending on Twitter. Why? In the break, I like to check and, like, you know, see if any, you know, there's updates on anything. It's trending because he didn't make. I saw that Mahomes was trending. I'm like, oh, Mahomes news.

Like, that's fun. Oh, nope, it's just everyone trying to figure out why Mahomes is not in your top five list of top five arm talents. Either is Carson Wentz. And you know I love both of them. Yeah, but Wence is not, Wens is not, trending. So the point was, I didn't like the term arm talent.

That's why I brought two guests on to talk about it. No, I agree with you. I think the idea of arm strength and he's got a cannon and you can throw it over the mountains is like, okay, that's awesome. You can throw it the length of the football field. Is it going to land in a receiver's hands in a catchable position that leads him away from the defender? I said five guys that throw the most catchable ball.

Now, our staff put top five armed talents. And I told him during the break, I said people are going to, they're not going to understand that phrase. These are the top five most catchable balls in the league. The ball's in stride. The ball is soft. It's a tight spiral. Russell,

Wilson, Brady, Breeze, Kyler golf. I'm not saying. Top five arm talents is a condensed version of what you're saying, yes. But Mahomes is, I said, the most talented quarterback in the league. So that's why I hated when my staff put that. I'm like, no, it's going to confuse the audience. The audience just, you got to give. Jeff Schwartz, we have on Often.

Yeah. asked, did Patrick Mahomes retire? So, yes, you are trending on Twitter. People are upset at you. Finally, Liverpool became this season's Premier League Champions Thursday night after Chelsea beat Manchester City 2 to 1. Even with seven games remaining, Man City is too far behind and points to catch Liverpool. Champs dominated the entire season and they have led in the standing since the second week.

This is the team's first title in 30 years. It was huge yesterday. And the first ever in the Premier League, excited to, this is the 19th title in Liverpool's history. And they had, they've lost just once and drawn twice this season. They have a goal difference of plus 46. Well, over there it's Chelsea and it's Manu, Manchester United. And Liverpool's always just a little bit under and then all of a sudden, pow. Liverpool's gotten very trendy in America over the last five years.

It has, yes. It's a lot of media people like Liverpool. Well, MLS is returning on July 8th. So we will get our soccer back in just about a wee two weeks, which I'm looking forward to. Good stuff, Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herdline News.

I don't mind getting crushed on the internet. I'm not going to be on the internet today because I already have a big party tonight. Oh, excuse me. Yeah. So, but it's, I knew when we put up armed talent, that's why I brought Dilfer and Mangini on it. And they both agreed with me that this arm talent thing is just not who can throw the ball farther. or from a weird angle. It's, can you do touch?

Do you throw a nice deep ball? Are you good in the flat, seam route? Do you lead your receiver? Like, I think Big Ben has a great arm and Cam has a great arm. But, man, they can be wildly inconsistent leading. I think Jay Cutler had a great arm. He threw a hard ball. Kaepernick had no curve ball.

Kaepernick was like heat. He was just like a fastball guy. But you knew people were going to be mad at you before we even did that segment. If Patrick Mahomes comes on and yells at me, I'm good with it. it. You know, I've said before, the two best quarterbacks in the league today. Right. Mahomes, Russell Wilson. That's the two best quarterbacks. The rest of you can argue

about everybody else. Let's just go with those two. That's it. All right? I don't care if I trend. I'm not into the whole. You know, it's amazing what trends. Sometimes you'll go online. Because I don't sit on the phone much, like hour a day. That's it. Like most

people are on, like, seven, eight hours. And whenever I go, I turn it on in the trending, it's the silliest stuff that's trending. It can be like some, and then if somebody trends, they always put that Denzel Washington picture up. Like, I hope he didn't die. It's like, I mean, it's the same stuff. I love how you consume the internet.

It's amazing. I think this is a good thing. This will give somebody, you know, something to discuss in sports today. It's like a gift. You're welcome. Jason McIntyre ends every Friday show. Tomorrow's headlines today.

Strangely, bizarrely accurate. That's coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. So my staff just got me in all sorts of trouble. It's actually funny. So I'm trending in America number one now. Mahomes is the number one trending topic in America right now. So I told my staff, I said, put top five the most catchable balls in the NFL. And they just put arm talent. And I said, well, arm talent confuses people. because I think Wence has one of the great armed talents in the world, but I don't think he throws the most catchable ball.

He can throw like fastballs. And sometimes, you know, he's not always great at leading people. And I didn't put Mahomes in and people are just freaking out, which I find quite enjoyable. I mean, it's giving people a reason to discuss sports on a Friday. So I'm saving America. So you are, you're providing a service, I think. Once again, I am good for America.

You're America's media icon. I think that goes without saying. So let's bring in Jason McIntyre via the Coward Global Satellite Network. Tomorrow's headlines today is bizarrely accurate. I'm not even going to get into this thing. I think Patrick Mahomes just followed you on Instagram because he's about to yell at you. I mean, Colin, come on. Seriously, there's no way you leave him off that list.

Okay, so I'm going to rename the list. So we're making a new name for it, which is, what I wanted initially and my staff. You know, my staff once again, I'm just bailing water to keep this thing afloat. This whole damn show is sinking every day. All right. It's called Tomorrow's Headlines Today. Here we go.

What will the headline be for the most disappointing team in baseball? Very excited for the baseball comeback. Can't wait. Listen, the Houston Astros are kind of the most hated team in sports right now. I think they're a big story. The headline will be. Cheaty, Cheaty, bang, bang, a classic movie. Colin, I've got the Astros missing the playoffs,

and I know that's going to sound crazy. Some of the Vegas odds really like the Astros this year. The talents there, we know that. Quick note, two of their four starters are coming off surgery, including Verlander. But I just think the mental aspect of sitting at home for four months, getting crushed on the internet, kind of like you today, the Astros are basically being called cheating frauds every day.

They go on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram. I personally don't like this team. I think they ruined baseball with this cheating scandal. But if they missed the playoffs, I think that would be great for Major League Baseball. All right. Tomorrow's headlines today, what will the headline be for the team that wins the National League? Yeah, Dodgers out here, man, Colin. That was a rough one last year.

106 wins and then losing the playoffs. The headline will be Kershaw. Shank, Redemption. You see the movie theme today, huh? You're liking that. Movie theaters are open now. But seriously, the Dodgers should be back in the World Series. It would be a colossal upset if they're not.

They went out and stole Mukie Betts, David Price. We just need Kershaw to deliver in the postseason. And remember, Colin, last four years, the Dodgers have been knocked out of the postseason by the eventual World Series winner. This year, Dodgers definitely going back to the World Series. Yeah, I mean, Mookie Betts, you can make an argument. Mike Trout are the best players in baseball, so the Dodgers, both of them just down the road in Southern California.

All right, tomorrow's headlines today, what will be the headline for the team that wins the World Series? So this team has won the most regular season games in the last decade. Amazingly, they did not make it to the World Series. The headline will be, the Evil Empire Strikes Back. Come on, it's Movie Friday, Colin. The New York Yankees, I think they're a lot to win the World Series. They're the betting favorites.

They've got basically top five offense in every category that matters. Then they add Garrett Cole, the superstar pitcher from the Astros. You saw the stat about Cole last year, right? One strikeout in 73 straight innings. And listen, I know there's going to be high variance this year in baseball. With 60 games, anybody can get hot for two weeks. There's going to be some urgency. And you love to talk about how some sports lack urgency,

basketball, baseball. You're going to see that, right, with 60 games. Yankees top to bottom are healthy. They're great. They're your World Series chance. All right. Let's segue. We had Brandon Marshall on yesterday, and he was saying he thinks they've wasted Aaron Rogers' career, and it made some national shows and all that stuff. So tomorrow's headlines today as we segue to the NFL, what do you think will be the

headline for the Green Bay Packers by the end of the year? You're basically Aaron Rogers' best friend with everything you say kind of. about him on the best one. The headline will be Aaron out of contention. Listen, we've been saying this for a couple months. I don't like the Packers this year, Colin. I'll give everybody a great stat

applies to gambling, applies to everything. Packers were eight and one in one score games last year. Historically, that regresses. So they're not going to win all those close games. The defense could not stop the run at all. I just think there's going to be a tug of war between the

head coach and the quarterback. Do we want to run or do we want to pass? And until you can figure that out, because the coach wants to run, Rogers, we know, I mean, the guy's turning 37 in December, he's going to want to throw the football. I see the Packers sliding a little bit. No playoffs for Green Bay. I also think there's an argument to be made that Phil, the NFC overall, the Rams will be a better team, the girly situation's done, the Eagles cannot be as physically beat up, full

starts for Chicago, they'll be a better football team. Arizona will be a better football team. I think you start looking around, I mean, Mike McCarthy now with DAC could be potentially a better football team. Daniel Jones year two. I think the NFC is just getting better. And it's not a knock on the Packers,

but the conference is getting better every year. Yeah, every time I mention the Detroit Lions on your show, because they're my team this year in the NFC. Lions are going to the playoffs. I get the same messages online from like eight people. Are you serious to Lions? Colin, Detroit's going to be real deal this year in the NFC. You can laugh. It's fine.

No, that's okay. Jason McIntyre, the J-Mack Journal. Good seeing. Anybody, have a nice weekend. All right, you too. Get your free credit card today, even if you're not a Discover customer. Check your credit score. It will not hurt your credit. Learn more at Discover.com slash credit scorecard. Limitations apply. All right, Joy, what is the, what's the internet saying now? Any more hate from Yes. And they come at me. I'm responsible for this. What do they say? Like, do you agree with this and whatnot? Are you trying to help me out and clarify what I was trying to say?

I mean, we're putting out a new. I will retweet the new graphic. I'm with you, though. The graphic is very confusing. Yeah, so I didn't like the graphic this morning. I said, people are not going to understand. So that's why I brought on Dilfer and Mangini to try to massage kind of what I was saying, which is... Your title's not really going to fit as nicely on the graphic?

Yeah, my title was, if you're a wide receiver, who throws the most catchable ball in the league? That's what it should. But the graphic people are like, that doesn't fit on a graphic. It doesn't. And I'm like, well, then get a better graphic machine. I mean, there's ways to make it fit, but it just doesn't really like roll off the tongue as nicely as armed talent. Well, you know, I could be trending for a lot worse. So, I mean, if this is.

It's, you know, it's outrageous that you don't have Mahomes on the arm talent list. I know. Listen, and everybody knows, I like my homes. I put them on the top of my list. And I always, I've always put Carson Wentz. I didn't have him in there either. So it wasn't like I. Carson Wentz is not as divisive.

think is leaving the homes off. All right. Let's see. Okay, I'm done for the day. Chris Broussard, Eric Mangini, Trent Dilfer. I'm trending. Jamal Crawford, Jason McIntyre, all did a fantastic job. And we're going to go out and get a new graphics department.

I mean, just get a bigger graphics machine. Come on, let's get it figured out, right? Let's just, you know, what are we doing here? All right, we'll see you Monday. Be safe, the herd. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. And nobody's telling you exactly what happened.

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