The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Cormier's Corner - Ep. 1: Is Tony Ferguson the Boogeyman?! DANGER for Paddy Pimblett

Episode Date: September 28, 2023

Daniel Cormier is here with his DEBUT EPISODE of his NEW SHOW: Cormier's Corner. DC sits down with his closest people to talk all things UFC, MMA and fighting! Jamell Cormier, Terry Francis and Craig Andrus talk Paddy Pimblett vs. Tony Ferguson and why this is a lose-lose situation for the UFC. Plus, Daniel Cormier and the crew give their takes on Jon Jones' illegal knee on Anthony Smith, Aljamain Sterling, and some of the more notable illegal blows in UFC history which begs the question: IS IT OKAY to take the DQ?! #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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my newest adventure in podcasting. And that's going to be. be talking to my boys, the closest people to me about the sport that we all love so much. You got my cousin Terry. Me and this guy were born two days apart, and you might know him. You just might not have took notice of him. He's the guy that every single time I walked onto a way and stage was up there with me. But not only is he a big time fan, he's obsessed. I cannot tell you how many Tuesdays.

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Again, he's been there from day one. He worked as my assistant for a little bit. He worked in my training camps. He was also lived with me. He was in high school, went on to play football at Oklahoma, southwest, southeastern Oklahoma, and Durant, Oklahoma. He was a quarterback. I've burned his ass a time or two in my life.

just ran right past him on a fly route. But Craig is also very knowledgeable mixed martial arts. These are my guys. And look, you'll get to know them better as we get going and that. But fellas, thank you all for joining them, man. Let's go, man. All right, boys. So the first topic, right?

Last week or, yeah, a couple days ago, Tony Ferguson's latest fight was announced. Now, as you guys know, Tony Ferguson has lost multiple fights in a row. and after the last fight against Bobby Green, I was of the belief that he had probably reached the end of the row. Now, we might not have seen Tony Ferguson anymore. But lo and behold, in December, one of the biggest fights of the year, Tony Ferguson's next fight just got announced.

He's going to be fighting Patty Pimbled at the UFC pay-per-view. Last time we saw Patty, he was in a very controversial decision, got the victory, but it seemed as though, whereas everything went right for Patty in the beginning, the fan started to turn on him. So my question to y'all is this. Is this booking more about Tony Ferguson and where he is in his career,

or is this booking more about elevating Patty Pimbled? We'll start with you, Terry. I think it has to be to elevate Patty Pimlet, just because you're going to use Tony Ferguson as a name. But, like, after looking at it, that's what I thought at first initially when he got announced. But after looking at it, I'm looking at the level of competition that Tony Ferguson fought.

And it's all killers, like, all the way down. Bobby Green was probably the easiest fight that he had. So I'm thinking, like, if Patty Pimlet fought the same level of competition that Tony Ferguson did, his record probably looks exactly the same. I don't think Patty Pimlet beats a Mike Chandler. I don't think Patty Pimlet beats Charles Olivera. Like, he's fighting high-level competition. And granted, I don't think Tony Ferguson is still the same.

same guy that he was. Don't get me wrong. But I don't think it's that bad of a matchup when you're looking at it. Tony has fought the better level of competition. But when you're looking at Tony Ferguson, you could tell me that he resembles the guy that was on that 12-fight win street?

Definitely not. And that's where, like, that's why I'm conflicted when I'm looking at it where he's fighting Patty Pimlet. It has to be to Bill Patty. But I don't think it's that type of fight. I think he has a better chance that we're giving him credit for. Like, yeah, I'm not high on Patty Pimlet, bro. Like, I'm not thinking that Patty Pimelon is on that level.

Like, put Patty Pimlin in there with Michael Chandler right now, and he's going to get killed, bro. Like, but. Jamel has a completely different take on Tony Ferguson. Completely different. Man, you lost me when you said his last fight with Bobby Green, you thought he was at the end of the row. I thought he was at the end of the row way before his last fight. He was at the end of the row way before his last fight with Bobby Reed, bro. Killers.

He bent, he been done to. I guess they are using the Tony Ferguson name. Hey, oh, he done on. No. No.

Jamil. Here's the question. Jamel. But Terry does make a point, right? Terry does make a point that on that seven-fight loser street, boy, it's been it's been uh Charles Oliverer is

maybe he has been done long as Tony Ferguson but yeah douche too I agree with that I agree with that too that wasn't no no no Who else are we naming? Who else are we naming? Well I'm just trying to tell you when you look at the list of guys

that Tony Ferguson has fought like Terry said He did get when this losing streak started Right it was when he fought for the He fought Justin Gachie. Then after he fought Justin Gachey, he fought against Charles O'Levara. And then he fought Nate Diaz. And then he fought Michael Chandler. And then it seemed like he was taking a step back when he fought Bobby Green.

But Bobby Green, as we all know, is a very talented mixed martial artist. Bobby Green has been around for a long time. So Tony Ferguson has not fought. I mean, we have seen Tony Ferguson in there with a who's who of fighters in mixed martial arts. So when you look at this matchup, Craig, it can. can't be as simple as they are going to use his name to elevate Patty Pimlin, even though on first look, everybody has that first reaction.

It's exactly like, oh, here we go again. Tony Ferguson out there with this young dude to lose because it seems like he's getting fed to him. But he has fought a level of competition that not many people can even see. Well, let me tell you something, bro. I have a list, just like y'all put a list together. I have a list. One of the things that we're missing right now is I look through my Rolodex and I see the people that he's beaten in his 12 fight win streak. Yes.

I feel like they're doing something. That 12 fight run came about three or four years. He ain't lost to nobody. He beat all these cats. And then he started taking a dive. What's his losing streak right now? I think it's seven. Six or seven?

Six or seven? I think he got about, I think he got about, I thought it was like closer than nine. No, he lost like six or seven. Okay, so you know what? He has about five or six more fights to lose to match that 12-fight win streak. That's the UFC saw him bro. You don't get to lose 12 fights in the road, bro.

If you're El-Kakuoy, you get to lose 12-5, he didn't let him lose six. You really want him to turn to the boogeyman. He is done, bro. He's trying to kill him. You want him to die, bro? You want him to die out there, bro. He was looking like a boogeman.

Here's the question of the UFC trying to do, bro. But is it simple? But isn't as simple as, is it as simple as he just needs one? Because imagine what happens for Tony Ferguson. If he beats Patty Pimbled, he said before the last fight, I sat in a fighter meeting with him,

Tony Ferguson said, it's going to be a fight right now, five more fights, I'm on the title. So it's not like he has lost that desire to fight. He has not lost his, the thought that he can be a world champion. And I'm going to tell you this right now.

And this is the saying is old as time, fellas. Every great champion has one more night in him. We saw it with George Foreman. When he beat Michael Moore, he did not belong in the ring with Michael Moore. We have seen so many great fighters have one great night. Where if you close your eyes and you squint enough, they remind you of that person that was on that run. They remind you, Jamel, of the Tony Ferguson that beat Kevin Lee for the interim championship.

If they remind you of the Tony Ferguson, that beat Josh Thompson and beat all these dudes Cowboy Soroni and all them dudes that he made looks so average when we're talking about Hall of Famers. Cowboy Soroni is a Hall of Famer. And Tony Ferguson beat him. Slash quitter.

Yes. Ferguson beat her. Kevin Lee. Oh, come on. Hey, Jamel, tell us what happened with the Kevin Lee fight, bro. What happened in the Kevin Lee fight? They, Boutraz.

bro. What are we talking about? Who's trying? He was getting washed, though. That first round? Hey, oh, you, listen, you're saying give him one more. Justin Gaitchee, they said, he just need one more. Gave him Charles over, he just need one. How many one more is we going to give him before you just keep losing? The dude is done, on.

Can I be honest, though. Can I be honest. Tony Ferguson is exactly who he's always been. The same fighting style, the same guy. He's just not fighting those guys that he fought on that 12-fighted win. street. So you, so you think that the 12 fight win streak, when you're watching it as a fan is more about the people he's lost to, opposed to Tony Furke. But I mean, I think Tony Ferguson was so good. Bro, the way he would hit these guys, the way he would hit these guys, they would look like

they were bludgeon, Terry. It looked like he was using, he had like the elbows. He had like that range of style. Like, he was dangerous, bro. Don't get me wrong. I just, that's what I'm saying. I just feel like you and I, Terry, have a better appreciation for who he was than Craig and Jamel. So does he fight different enough? I've never viewed him as like, I'm being honest. I've never viewed him as like the guy, like when they had him on that run when he had to fight Khabi, when he's going to fight Khabi. I never really viewed him as that big of a threat to him.

But I just know, like, if they would get in there with him, he was cutting him up. He was, he was tricky. Like, his wrestling was tricky. Like, he was, he was dangerous. Now, I don't think he's that anymore. or but I'm just maybe because I'm not that high on Patty Pimlet that I think he still has a chance against a fighter of that caliber. But he doesn't losing the Jared Gardner.

I agree with you. I'm not high on Patty either. But what is Tony Ferguson doing that's different than what he did before? No. He fights the exact same. So why does it not work now? But let me ask you question. I think the matchups in that 12 fight win street was the perfect time for Turner Ferguson too,

for those fights. I think he lost some. I think he lost some in the Justin Gachie fight. middle of a pandemic, no people in the arena, fighting Justin Gage for five rounds, getting beat up for as long as that took, I thought he lost something in that fight, and he just never looked the same afterwards.

But guys, not many people don't lose something when they fight Justin Gachey. That's what happens. Justin Gage takes a little part of you that you don't get back. So I don't think you can blame Tony Ferguson for that. So we're looking at the names in that 12 fight that made him, oh my God,

it's Tony Ferguson. But let's think about it. All the guys that he fought, I feel like was kind of on their way out in that 12. The ones with a name was kind of on that decline. Josh Thomas. Josh Thompson, Josh Thompson, bro, you know him. Josh Thompson. Yes, Josh Thompson, Josh Thompson, RDA.

RDA is still fighting today. Is he RDA, though? But at that time, like, he fought him in 2016. So I think that was RDA at that point in the game. game bro and he was a former lightweight champion i got to give him credit for that and then you got edson barboza he's always he's not he's not he wasn't i get it he's not perfect but he still was dangerous at that time he would he would pose problems for him i think jemel just kind of don't like i think he just looked at tony ferguson so so the whole time when we are even at a kiaa we like

man this is the hardest fight for i biv you just you guys just never bought it kreck y'all never bought that tony ferguson will be that guy that would challenge us be be in that way i'll tell you this much when he fought lando vanada that fight right there it was it was so entertaining right it was super entertaining and it shouldn't have been if he was that it shouldn't have been and at that moment like before i'm not going to lie because i've been around you guys and then around all the guys like preparing for ferguson three fights in a row and never getting to get that and then we finally see him fighting lando vanada and he's doing them cartwools and them backflips and all that stuff to get around this kid and it's a freaking

fight i was like this is this is not el kukui anymore like now i started looking at him totally different like i don't i don't see tony ferguson as the guy that's going to challenge kibb and i didn't and we never got to see that because we literally saw a decline three fights later from tony ferguson that has continued today that dude is he just still feels like he can fight. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

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Is it dangerous for these dudes to be used to uplift these guys because it can work in the opposite direction? You can have the fans turn on that kid because it's not professional wrestling. In professional wrestling, you take the old guy, he gets pinned by the new guy. and then a new guy becomes the man. It's not as simple in fighting. Some people are so drawn to those memories of who these guys were that they may turn on the new guy. Is there a risk?

And if Patty Pimbley goes out there and he demolishes Tony Ferguson, that the general fan goes, I don't like seeing that happen to one of a guy like El Cicui, especially when a section of people feel, just like you, Jamel, just like Craig. that he may be past his best days. Right.

So it's almost like you're beating, you're beating on someone that you feel like as a shell of himself. And it's like, to me, like for Paddy Pimlin, he's already kind of on a decline from what he was. Like with the loss of Jared Garden, with some of the things that he's done. Like he's not the same Patty Pimlet.

So this could be a negative thing if he does. No, Patty Pimlet. Patty Pimlet is the same kid. He's going to be the same kid. I'm talking about Tony on the Ferguson side, Terry. is they're dangerous. If Patty Pimlin walks right through Tony Ferguson, does the general public go,

man, I don't like this. I don't like seeing one of my great champions go down in the way that he did. Because T, when Lennox Lewis beat Mike Tyson, right, there was so much hope that Mike Tyson after coming out of jail

and all this stuff, he had beaten a couple of them dudes, both in all them dudes. People thought Mike Tyson's back. Maybe Mike Tyson becomes the world champion. And when you watch Linux Lewis beat on him, you couldn't help but feel like, I don't know about this Linux Lewis dude.

And I think it hurt Linux more than it helped him. Is there a chance that this happens to Patty Pimlet? Yeah, it can. I think it really can. Just because, like, but is the very same reason that you say that, that it could fall back because he's like, he's already on the decline with the Jared Garden thing. That's what I was saying that.

Whereas, like, he didn't get a clear win. People still look at him differently from the behavior from that fight. So now if he goes there and he beats on Tony Ferguson, And like you said, that that effect comes that could damage his career. Yeah. Because now you're not even taking on challenges anymore. You're just fighting washed up people. Again, I hate to say that about any fighter, but like we kind of came to that

conclusion that he's a shell of himself. No, that's Jamel. Why do you hate to say he washed up? That is a fact, bro. We should be scared to say facts. I'm the general public. I just said the general public going to feel bad. Yeah, been feeling bad on.

Listen, I really think, I really think though UFC isn't a note. win situation. If we being honest, if Tony Ferguson goes out, if he go out there and get his ass, if he get beat bad, they're going to say he shouldn't have done that fight. If he goes out there and win, then they lose Patty. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a dangerous fight. So, so it's a no win. It's a no win situation. Well, ultimately, ultimately Tony Ferguson gets an opportunity to make that walk again. And especially when so many called for him to be done after losing the Bobby Green in the way that he did. All right, So last night, all right, no.

All right, guys. So last weekend, we were watching UFC fight night where Michelle Watershan had a terrible cut. We saw Rafael Fazeve break his foot while kicking the arm of Mateo's Gamrod. But what stood out to me the most is probably not the biggest names on the card. It was Cody Brundage fighting Jacob Malcun. Jacob Alcun, who is a wrestler, one of Robert Whitaker's friends and teammates. was beating on Cody Brundage.

Cody Brundage gets hit with an illegal blow, right? Guys, Brundage is on the three-fight losing street. The dude has lost three fights in a row. Generally, you don't even get three in a row in the UFC before you get cut, but he's lost three in a row, and he's well on his way to losing again. He gets hit with an illegal blow. Mark Smith, referee Mark Smith. We give these refs a lot of bad time for when they make mistakes,

so we want to give Mark Smith credit for being right way. supposed to be. He makes the call as Brunditch. If he can continue, Brunditch says no, he gets a victory. Losing streak over. Now he at least gets another fight in the UFC. This dude was getting beat

by Jacob Malcun. My question is, what's the right way to do this? Because we have seen on so many occasions, right? Muhammad Usman poked. His opponent in the eye last night. The guy continued. Muhammad Usman gets a win. John Jones need Anthony Smith on the ground.

illegally, Anthony Smith continues to fight, loses the fight. John Jones moves on as the champion, Anthony Smith, then starts to flounder a little bit. But if he would have laid down, he would be the champ. He gets paper view and the return. Al Jermaine Sterling is the greatest case of this. He lays down. Three fights later, people are considering him the greatest bannum weight of all time.

So my question is, what's the right way? Do you get up and continue? Or do you just deal with the general public going, what has got laid down? I think as a fan, we want to see him continue no matter what, right? Because we're looking at him and we want to say, hey, this guy, if you can fight, you should fight. That's what we're here to watch. But as a fighter, I'm like, hey, bro, like if he's going to get cut, he's losing his source of revenue.

So if he has a chance to fight one more fight and that's the way he gets it done. And maybe, like you said, he goes out the next fight and he dominates. And he keeps a new contract, he's good to go. It's probably not the most favorable thing, but like you said, with El Jermaine Sterling, we know that, hey, you can reverse the idea of what people have of you if you just win. I think people kept judging Al Jermaine for those actions, though. It felt like even when he was the champ and beating all these dudes, it felt like people held on to the fact that he won the belt in that way,

even though he came back and he beat Piotrion. It's not like he didn't fight Piotrion again and beat him. He beat him. Lay down. I am laying down. taking the money. I'm taking the belt. And guess what?

They only remember that I laid down when it's time for me to fight. Only when it's time for me to fight, they remember that I laid down in my last fight. Listen, I do not care. I will walk around every day with that extra money in that belt and only hear that I lay down

when they promote my next fight. Who cares, man? If you heard it, you can't continue. Take the money. Take the belt. And they did something. legal that's on them it's not your it's not your fault take the belt man take the money i'm you know when they say that that that little saying going out on your shield you know what that

come from like the greeks and the romans and shit like that like going out on your shield man you died you're done you're coming back you're not coming back so what's the what's the point of going out on your shield you can't come back home like bro Oh, so you going to the afterworld with the 40 wives and all that? No, man. I want to stay here on this earth. Be a chance. Or get an opportunity to fight again.

So like Al Jermaine, he laid down like Jay said. My man laid down. He got to fight again. Beat somebody. The cat that he laid down for. Beat the cat. And then goes on and becomes like mystic pretty much. Yeah, he beat.

he beat. He beat him. Then he beat T.J. Dillishaw. He beat Henry Sehudo. And then fought Sean O'Malley. And then that fort fight, even though he lost, Sean O'Malley brings eyes. Sean O'Malley, for as big as star as he was, wasn't the one that was collecting pay-per-view revenue.

It was Al Jermaine Sterling. But none of that happens if Al-Germaine-Stirling does not stay down and gets the opportunity. He dropped his shield, dog. He didn't go out of this. Hey, on, on. Oh, yeah. What?

I'm out. I'm out. I am out. It can hit me in my stomach. It can hit me. It can be a low blow. All of you're losing, though, right? Only if it seems as though what happens when they lose in.

Like sometimes when the fight is super close, they'll keep fighting. But when they losing, it's like the guy kind of thinks about. I remember I watched Diego Sanchez do that one time when he got Diego Sanchez did that and he was like 49, 48, he was like, he was counting. He was counting, dog. I'm not putting my lay down in the same category with Diego. I can't put nothing in the same category.

Sorry. Hey, y'all going to compare me. Don't even bring him up. That's one thing. Okay, I can take all the people talking about I laid out. But if they say I did the same thing as Diego. Diego, Sanchez. I am getting up.

I will continue to fight. Hey, Jamel, you're going to go to be like, Diego. Diego. That's crazy. Y'all got to stop, man. Y'all got to stop. I just remember. I remember he was like, he was like kind of like, wait, one, two, I was just digging this dove.

But what's the difference? But there is no difference. I think it's a case-by-case basis, obviously. and I think that in Al Jemey Sterling's case, he made the right call because ultimately he went on to defend that belt three times. Because, you know, he defended that belt three times. So, and because of that, he was the champion

on three different paper views. Because of that, he got to collect on the fourth paper view against Sean O'Malley. But I think that in the Brundage situation, he had to wear with all to go, you know what, man, this is, dude, it was going bad. Like, it was going bad for him. He was on the ground just getting beat up

because he kept getting taken down. And it was like, It was one of those situations where I don't know if it was going to get better for him. And he made a choice to kind of like fight, live to fight another day is essentially what he did. He was out of that view to loss that fight. Well, I mean, is he really? I mean, Tony's lost six in a row. That's Tony.

No one knows Cody Brundish, bro. Like, he loses three, he's out, bro. I think with Terry, he's not going to get the seven. He lost that fight. He went back in the championship. I don't think they run that fight back. No, bro, because they're Anthony Smith. Anthony Smith would have fought John Jones again as the champion.

John Jones, when he stayed down there, Dana was like, he's a beast. He kept fighting and didn't lay down. But it's not like the organization looked back at that fight and goes, we got to run these dudes back because he took an illegal blow. And that's what I think Terry was saying by saying if he stays in that fight and loses, he don't goes back into another title fight. He just lost. They will move on from Aljo.

You know what I mean? I think some of these blows truly, truly affect them, though. Like, some of it truly affect them. So sometimes you can't continue, man, and then, and if you do continue, you don't even get a point deducted half the time. Well, that's another thing. I watch that. So you lose a lot of yourself with the illegal blow, but they don't get punished for it.

So, yeah, at least one or two points. Like they said, take two points. Something that's going to actually affect the score if it's an illegal shot. I'm just thinking about this, bro. When I watched that Anthony Smith and John Jones fight, And he's standing on the cage holding himself up in between that time. How many times y'all thought that it ran through his mind that if I just stop right now, I'm going to be the champion.

I got to be honest. I don't know if Anthony ever thought that. That's what I'm saying. I ever thought I'm going to stay down and just become the champ. And I don't know if that's like the right thought. I don't know if the right thought or the wrong thought. But I don't think one time he thought, if I don't continue, I'm the champ. I don't think dudes think that unless it's looking bad or it's going bad for them, bro.

It was. It was going bad for him. But I think he has that warrior mindset. No, no, no, no. That's what I'm saying. Like, he was, I saw his interview with Kamar Usman. He was talking about I was giving him work. I was, you know, he thought he was actually in the fight.

He thought he was doing work. He was. He wasn't. I just think he's basing it on he wasn't getting beat. big, like, dominant. Right? He wouldn't get dominated. So sometimes people would take that and be like, I'm doing actually, but you know,

you're not. You're not doing this bad. Y'all tripping, man. I don't know. Y'all will get canceled. Y'all will get me cancer. What? I'm going to lose.

I'm taking my title on. My one title, I'm taking it. And I will be a champ for the rest of my life. They're going to have U.S.C. champ by my name if I get illegal. You're going to have that picture in the hallway? How are you going to pose in there? I'm going to be in the club with my belt like Arjo. You're all stupid, man.

Man, y'all are stupid, man. Look, guys, I hope you enjoyed me getting to talk to these dudes. They're silly. It's funny, but they really do no fighting, man. Fellas, I appreciate y'all doing this with me, man. Let's get back next week. There will be some interesting stories over the course of the week. And every single weekend, we will touch on them as I am joined by the people closest to me.

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