The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Covino & Rich - Lackluster NBA Finals?

Episode Date: June 24, 2025

C&R are back in Los Angeles! They were not impressed by OKC's celebration last night. Why the lack of excitement? The guys take calls from all over the country. KD to Rockets was also underwhelmin...g? Plus, the show laughs about "The Big Dumper" & "The UV!"  Follow C&R on their Apple Podcast page: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/covino-rich/id1212071900See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:33 I'm ready to go right up to present day. Listen to Crimless on the IHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, thanks for listening to the Covino Enrich podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday from 5 to 7 Eastern 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station for Covino Enrich at Fox SportsRio.com or stream us live every day on the IHeartRadio app by searching FSR. We are back in Los Angeles, broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio Studio. Names from the CRC in Vegas. What a weekend, huh?
Starting point is 00:03:11 What a weekend is right. You know to my voice. First and first, most, yeah, I'd like to thank everybody at tuned in from Vegas, live from Circa on Friday. If you missed it, catch the podcast. If you miss any of our shows today's show, Friday's show, search the podcast. Search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. follow rate and review give us five stars but everybody that listen everybody from the fox sports radio family that came danny g iowa sam everybody that was there and represented we appreciate it thank you guys
Starting point is 00:03:40 so much for partying with us and now i want the business i'm standing on business and i'm rocking out let's go let's uh that's can you know i'm rich yes i had to the party star i was samuel what's up sammy oh you're too kind i was even there the whole time you got are you give me an honest opinion. Are you guys exhausted? I am exhausted, but you know what? I made the smart move of saying all I did today was Fox Sports Radio. We did not do our other podcast. We did not do any serious XM stuff. This is, this is it. I made the decision to make it a light day on purpose. Yeah, so that helps. So feeling pretty good and excited to be here. Hope you had a great weekend. And O KC Thunder
Starting point is 00:04:20 sort of weekend. Yeah. But you know what? Not that. Congratulations. Congratulations. We're going to talk about that. And by the way, I was Sam, that was your first, like, big Covino and Rich event. And you have a good time because I feel like everyone was loving Iowa, Sam. I had a great time. I went with you guys to the Eugene, Oregon Graduate Hotels Remote, and that was, like, a little taste of it. And then this was, like, times 10. It was my first time in Vegas, outside of driving through it in the middle, in the middle of the night.
Starting point is 00:04:49 I had a great time. I had a great time. Carl, Carl, Carls are awesome, man. What a community you guys have built. Carl's, by the way, Covino and Rich. Yes, I should probably live. Oh, I thought you ate a. Carl's Jr. Carl's in charge.
Starting point is 00:05:01 And by the way, yeah, the party wasn't at Carl's Jr. It was at Circa in Vegas. And we were at Stadium Swim. And again, our Friday broadcast was live from there, so catched a podcast. But this is the last time we're going to say it because we celebrated 20 years of Covino and Rich.
Starting point is 00:05:16 Why the last time? Because we're still the youngest in the game, and I feel like that dates us a little bit. Remember, we started doing our show when we were 12. So, hey, if you were there, we thank you. If not, we'll see you next time because we always bring the party to you guys and thank you fox sports radio nation still recovering it was a party it was a party indeed like i was very impressed by this i was
Starting point is 00:05:38 very impressed yeah we went all out it was a great honestly i i'm just so like humbled but also like pleased that the great people that our show brings together like not not many weirdos at all no fights no drama just a lot of people having fun and a good mix of our old school listeners because we've been doing it for so long. And a lot of the new friends we've met along the way from Fox Sports Radio. So you guys are always welcome to our events. And again, we hope to bring the show to you. We like taking a show on the road too.
Starting point is 00:06:08 So, hey, coming soon, we got to party again. This isn't the last to run by any means. This is the start. Yep. So that being said, Sam brought the party. We brought the excitement. Danny G. giving out prizes, dancing, having fun. I think we may have had more fun than the actual thunder.
Starting point is 00:06:27 winning the NBA finals last now. I'll be honest. Us meeting and greeting and having fun and hanging with all the supporters of our show way more fun than the celebration yesterday. The Oklahoma City Thunder couldn't even open champagne bottles. Or I'm just throwing it out there for speculation. Like there is a sense today of maybe relief, right? Like, man, that was crazy.
Starting point is 00:06:49 Just got in yesterday. There's relief in the air today. Maybe a sense of relief. Like I am seeing Caruso celebrating. and lots of hugs, maybe after a long season like that. Oh, it's the weakest thing I've ever seen. In fact, I saw the perfect compilation and play along with me only because I saw someone isolate the winning moments of all four major sports over the last year. Oh, so all four major sports, including hot dog eating or no?
Starting point is 00:07:19 Joey Chestnut, not included. Including the Panthers recent celebration. But, man, I should have included the fifth. Joey Chestnut in a week from now we'll be taking the stage again. But take a listen. We'll start with the World Series and just listen to not only the excitement, but I'm going to let you know by watching
Starting point is 00:07:35 the teams are all jumping on each other, having fun. In the World Series, everyone's piling on for the second time. The Vince Lombardi Trophy is headed to Philadelphia. Eagles fly in Super Bowl. The Panthers fans going wild. Panther perfection. Unbelievable, right? And then the Florida Panthers
Starting point is 00:08:13 when they're second consecutive. The first time, the NBA champion resides in Oklahoma City. And storybook season is complete. They just honestly are shaking each other's hands. There's no excitement from the team. Of course, the fans are pumped. It's their first ever championship as an organization. Bro, I've seen you get more excited playing basketball 24-hour fitness.
Starting point is 00:08:40 But it was your standard. row hug, bring it in. Again, a few players look pretty pumped about it because I'm seeing the highlights as we speak, but for the most part, it was your standard. Bring it in, hug it out, shake hands, and maybe they're just too cool for the room. Maybe they're exhausted.
Starting point is 00:08:58 Maybe it's relief. Maybe it's just not as exciting as the other championships. Yeah, but you remember other NBA champions pumping their fists? I do. You remember the celebrations of guys like Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan holding up the trophy going nuts, pumping the fish to the crowd, going crazy. This is the most lackluster S I've ever seen in my life.
Starting point is 00:09:18 Oklahoma City Thunder just proved while we all along. We're like, this is the weakest-ass team to win a championship. Now he said from the start, the biggest criticism was lack of star power, right? But we did get to a game seven. We did have drama. We did see Halliburton come out strong, scored non-points, played seven minutes, seven strong minutes and went down. That really maybe set the tone.
Starting point is 00:09:41 of the disappointment in the game or the vibe of the game because when you want to be the best, you got to beat the best, did they really beat Indiana's best? But again, that's just part of the game. I'm not taking anything away, mind you, for OKC's victory here.
Starting point is 00:09:59 That's just how it panned out. That's how it played out. Halliburton pushed himself. The injuries probably connected to the right calf strain that he dealt with. I don't know. I'm no physical therapist. I can only assume part of it. So I'm not trying to take away from their victory,
Starting point is 00:10:14 but maybe that was sort of disappointing for everybody. No, it was just boring. That's all. I mean, that's boring. I'm giving you reasons. What's your assessment? Boring, that's it. No, because I have a backup.
Starting point is 00:10:25 I wrote down my notes here. Okay, great. But again, it was a game seven. It didn't pan out as close as it could have been. Would the Pacers have won? We'll never know. If Halliburton would have kept up that pace, it would have been a lot closer, that's for sure.
Starting point is 00:10:43 For the gamblers, I think they would have at least covered that eight and a half. But what I'm not debating. They almost, they had a chance to get within nine there with three minutes left. Yeah. What I'm not debating, though, is what our eyes all saw, you know, that whole home sort of, maybe that's just the vibe of these young NBA players in a lot of ways. Like, you know, very swaggy, very too cool for the room. Dude, so we can't think I've ever seen.
Starting point is 00:11:05 Listen, let's think of the most exciting moments of this NBA season. Let's go back, all right? Let's go back for a second. Take me back. Take me back. I know you're a big Frank Stallone fan. Take me back. Do, do, do, do, do, take me back. I'm going to take you back to one of the last times we were in Vegas before our big party.
Starting point is 00:11:27 We were there for a big fight weekend and all the rumblings on the casino floor. Luca, Luca, Luca, Lakers. Luka gets traded to the Lakers. Big moment. Dallas then ends up getting the number one picking the NBA draft. Big moment. The Knicks
Starting point is 00:11:44 beating the Celtics. Big moment. Halliburton doing the choke, the Reggie Miller, to the Knicks. Big moment. Halliburton's dad, big moment. Halliburton's dad on the court in Janus's face was a pretty big moment. That goes to
Starting point is 00:12:02 show you where the excitement level was, though. I'm just thinking... Oh, wait. Speaking of excitement level, I don't want to take it from your little notes that you made. Please keep adding. But that whole Knicks series was pretty exciting. The run that they had, all the celebrity fans that were there, all the old school Knicks that came to represent, there was a lot of excitement in that series and their run.
Starting point is 00:12:23 The excitement that the Minnesota Timberwolves and Anthony Edwards brought, exciting. Seeing the veterans like LeBron and Steph Curry fall on the playoffs, Steph got hurt. I haven't named one thing about the team that won at all because they're boring as could be. So I mean, I'll name this. SGA goes down in elite company as an MVP, a finals MVP. They actually won, not just won, their first ever as an organization.
Starting point is 00:12:52 He scored 29 points in the final. It came down to what people often say. The team with the best player usually pulls it off in a game seven. He showed he was the best and he brought it. So you could say I didn't like the excitement level. Or you could say, man, how impressive was their title run? Maybe they just made it look easy, dude. They were the best team all season.
Starting point is 00:13:14 I'm just giving you the maybes. I'm with you. I saw what I saw. I'm telling you from my eyes. But you're also not an OKC fan. There might be OKC fans or real pure basketball fans listening right now. They're like, you're crazy, dude. That was an elite team and they played like it.
Starting point is 00:13:28 Listen, I've never claimed to be a big NBA guy. So you could possibly put me in that category of the casual fan of the NBA that really likes excitement. in and I want to see some drama, some fun. And you know what? Of course, there's going to be other shows and people that are like, well, you just don't love the NBA then because this is the greatness was demonstrated.
Starting point is 00:13:49 Right. Well, guess what then, dude? Then I feel like I represent more people because the ratings stunk, the final stunk. It stinks, stank stunk. Well, and again, I was glued in. We were fresh from Vegas. I get in just in time to watch the game. Halliburton goes down.
Starting point is 00:14:05 It wasn't as exciting after that because you knew you weren't getting. the full battle that you were signed up for and you sat down to watch. Last night, I was at my daughter's dance recital. The dad next to me was watching on his phone and I was peeking over his shoulder. We had this little thing going on like, you know, like keep it low, keep the brightness down. I got you. Halfway through the second half, he's like, yeah, I rather watch his little kids dance. He turned it off and I'm like, I'm with you.
Starting point is 00:14:35 Turned it off. All right. So he'd rather watch eight-year-old's tap dance. I mean, Danny G, I know straight up agrees with Rich too, but it probably has to do with the fact that Halliburton went down, man. Yeah. It wasn't the same game after that. It would have been a very close ending, in my opinion,
Starting point is 00:14:50 in the second half, had Halliburton still been on the court. And he has proven that he's a big moment guy. We all thought that. You're like, oh, man, there goes a possible big moment, close, maybe finish, maybe something dramatic. And the Thunder still might have went on their run in the third quarter, the way they did, but we've seen Halliburton lead big charges back
Starting point is 00:15:10 and come back. So I think they would have at least gotten back in within five points or something like that. Hey man, they're a super young team. Congrats to them. I just feel like the lack of excitement. And I'm sure, again, Dan Byer, I'm sure Doug and other people on this network that care a lot more about the NBA than I do. We'll probably like this.
Starting point is 00:15:25 This is a demonstration of greatness. I couldn't care less. Would it have been better? The Pacers broke out in dance to Bruno Mars, like the Savannah bananas in the second half? Is that what you're looking for? Dude, if they If they wheeled out Halliburton and it was like, yeah, like, yeah. Daniel Lerousson is going to fight. Like, if there was a moment, but it was like a star player goes down, even when they won, like, again, that comparison nailed it for me because I was trying to, in my mind, figure out what am I missing?
Starting point is 00:15:55 Why it didn't connect. And then I saw that clip that someone put together on social media of the four major champions, Dodgers, Florida Panthers, Philadelphia Eagles, and now OKC, the last four major titles. and to see the teammates jumping on each other in Jubilee, in joy. And then you see like SGA giving like bro hugs and handshakes like I do after I win a Tuesday night softball game. I did like, though, how Hardinstein's little infant baby had its head bobbing in the celebration. Yeah, does he not know how to cradle a child? Yeah. Mind his fontanelle.
Starting point is 00:16:26 What's wrong with you? Mind the fontaine. Take care of that kid. That kid would have slept in a burlap sack over his shoulder. Like it's so funny, like a child that age can sleep while it's deafening noise. and then when you're also sleeping. Dude, the kid was sleeping because he watched Game 7. The guy was ragged on his baby.
Starting point is 00:16:40 No, seriously, look, Rich does make a solid point because even if you have no team in the game, right, we all tune in to watch the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat, as we used to say, right? If you told me it was a game seven of the WMBA, I would even watch. There was really no excitement, no excitement that we were able to see at the end of the game. you know if you if you change the music and put it to different music it looks like they lost if you changed the crowd noise and you just watched them it looks you could have said they lost you ever see someone take like dumb and dumber or a comedy and make a movie trailer like it's a horror yes yeah yeah if you put different music behind that and you take away the crowd noise
Starting point is 00:17:24 their excitement really wasn't that visible or noticeable and as a casual fan and that's who tunes into game sevens for the most part of course the pure fans are always going to be there but i'm saying the majority of the fans that watched the championship they're watching and it and it was kind of boring i don't think the fans there were any less excited i'm not trying to take away from their celebration i'm not trying to take away from the history that they made uh we're just trying to say that rich is making a point we all felt a little disconnected from the excitement level of what was going on that's all know what it's like lackluster or relief is the way i give uh you ever give a woman or your kid or someone a gift and you think they're going to love it.
Starting point is 00:18:01 Yeah. And you're waiting for the reaction. Yeah. Yeah. And they opened the gift. Like, yeah, thanks. Like, thanks. So do you think that maybe it was relief for them or just lackluster celebration?
Starting point is 00:18:15 I thought SGA handled the moment like a pro. To be honest, I loved everything he said. He didn't show a lot of excitement, but I loved his speech at the end. I loved how he included the city and his teammates on everything he accomplished. I like how he shared the MVP. I thought he nailed everything. He's maybe just not connecting the way maybe other superstars connected for you, Rich. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:18:43 I'll tell you, the shame on me. You know what I'm guilty of. I'm guilty of expecting elite athletes to have personalities. And that doesn't always go hand in hand. You can't expect the star player in any sport to also have the personality. They're also a young guy, second youngest team in NBA history to win a championship. But maybe, you know, again, maybe it's more relief than anything. Like, shock.
Starting point is 00:19:08 Like, we did it. Oh, my God. And everyone has a different perspective. Anthony Crusoe was saying, hey, hey, now. And Danny G said it was tongue in cheek. But now no one could say he didn't actually win a real one. Yeah. You know, the bubble one.
Starting point is 00:19:23 won and now he won this one in impressive fashion. Well, let's stop talking about it. Maybe it's relief. Let's stop talking about the thunders. Can I just say, I think SGA and Tyrese have both have great personalities themselves. They're just different. SGA seems a little bit more serious. He's like a little bit more toxic like a leader. Tyrese is like that too. You don't have to be nice. That's boring as hell. It's called speculation. I think that I think they have like they show, they say things that I think are at least keep my attention a little bit. And then Tyrese I think is like a, I call him a classy trash talker. Like he's actually a really great interview if you listen to him.
Starting point is 00:19:55 Like he's, for an NBA player that age, they're both, what, around 26, 27? Yeah, they're young dudes. And for guys that age in the NBA, they actually are, give pretty good responses. You speak so well. You know where I think the NBA? No one of that team will ever do a podcast, I promise you that. I think the NBA could have did a better job of building or creating that rivalry between Halliburton and SGA, even though there seems to be none there.
Starting point is 00:20:20 Like, at least give us the illusion that they're going ahead. to head and they don't like each other. I feel like they dropped the ball on that. Like, you know, everybody wants to win the final here, but like, give me some heated sort of rivalry between those two, and there was none. There was none. I mean, sorry, Dan, I know. I was just, I was just, sometimes that's tricky, though, because if you overdo it
Starting point is 00:20:43 and nobody believes it, then it seems really many. I didn't think it was necessary. I just, I, guys, honestly, I think it comes down to, like, they don't have it. Like really, like as much as you want to try and make them have it, they don't. And it's not their fault. And it's why, like, I think Anthony Edwards has it. Like, as a star player, like if there's, we talk about face of the league stuff. He's in Minnesota.
Starting point is 00:21:09 And I felt like there's a different feel with it. Like, for as great as SGA is and his great as Halliburton is and all the talk about Halliburton that and his great play roles him to this level. Like, I don't think that SGA has it. He may become a great, great play. but he just doesn't have the it factor. Well, you know what? That's very dangerous, and here's why, because Rich is on to something. He's the ultimate warrior.
Starting point is 00:21:29 No, no, no, you know who he is? Everyone? No, he's a Klitschko. Because Klitsko, he was so dominant. Sure. And so great. And no one could beat him. It's sort of ruined boxing for 10 years because he was just a boring face for the sport, right?
Starting point is 00:21:42 So if they go on a magnificent run and they're such a young team, if they don't find some personality, it's going to be boring for the NBA. And I know I'm going to get the, what, family guy meme? where it's like this dog has it because he was wearing like fancy sunglasses but it's true there is there is something about it you either you have it or you don't and you can go
Starting point is 00:22:01 at any sport and do that I have two analogies and Camino's boxing one was so on point it really was but back of the day when we were kids you remember when Vince McMahon sort of bet on the ultimate warrior to take over Hogan is like the face and then within like six months they realized like yeah the kids don't really give a crap
Starting point is 00:22:21 about the ultimate warrior the way we thought. They had to pivot, give Hulk Hogan the belt back, and then change all storyline because no one cared enough about the ultimate warrior. And to bring it back to the boxing thing. Why did people start caring about boxing even just a little bit? Because Tyson Fury was a superstar personality. Yeah, for the league's sake, you got to have some game,
Starting point is 00:22:44 but you also have to have it. But it doesn't mean they're not going to continue this run. It's not to take away the greatness of other people. I'll give me an analogy that's fresh in our mind. Kamino and I had a really an amazing weekend, meeting, you know, hundreds and hundreds of listeners that came to see us in Vegas. It was the most humbling, beautiful thing. And Kavino and I, afterwards, we'll be like, yo, you meet that guy? Because there's
Starting point is 00:23:11 some people that somehow stand out in a crowd. Danny, I'm sure you met people, you're like, yo, that guy's a wild dude. Or, you know, that woman was so sweet. Like, it's like casting for a reality show. Why do you think these same knuckle? What do you think the same Johnny bananas type show about every show? Because they'd stand out. And there's nothing about the Oklahoma City Thunder that stands out. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:32 Maybe they get a wild card on their team. Just to give us some personality next year. You know, maybe they need that. Just some crazy guy. Lots of tattoos and a Mohawk. Like some weird guy. Who's that dude? Who's that bring Birdman back?
Starting point is 00:23:46 Birdman back. They need like a birdman on the team. That's exactly what I was thinking, Danny. Yeah. Yeah, they need something like that to give it some extra flare. All right. So your thoughts, maybe we're alone here. No, I don't think so.
Starting point is 00:24:01 I don't think that our show is off on this because they just announced the OKC Thunder Championship Parade is going to be on Tuesday, and the route leads to the Ronald J. Norrick downtown library. It's kind of weird. Oh, really? I'm going to go. I'd rather go take out a book. And just so you guys with the ratings, the overall series. was down from a year ago overall.
Starting point is 00:24:21 But last night's game seven did have over 16 million viewers, which is the most viewed of any NBA finals game in the last six years. That's awesome. That is great to know. Thank you, Dan Byer. I'm just on us out there for, again, conversation's sake. I agree with Rich. We also felt lackluster.
Starting point is 00:24:39 But maybe like the young cats are vibing with it the way we are not because we have a different expectation. Right? We've seen Jordan pumping his fist and jumping in the air. We've seen all these moments. We have all these highlights in our mind. Maybe younger kids see it and that's their generation and they're pumped about it in a different way. Was the Celtic celebration boring?
Starting point is 00:25:07 That was last year. Tatum's speech was kind of lame. We criticized it because he got lost in the moment. And he stole it from everybody. Yeah, he had little pieces of all these famous moments. Isn't it like three different players speeches in one? It was five, I think. Yeah, it was insane.
Starting point is 00:25:23 Yeah, and it was also like the posing, like he tried to do the Kobe and the jacket, like hugging the trophy. Yeah, we said it was corny. Yes. He used Chad GPT for writing his speech. Maybe we're just too critical. You know, that's part of what we do, but that's what our I see and that's what you get here on the show.
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Starting point is 00:28:44 right now and I actually can win on any surface because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your court side seat to the French Open. Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year.
Starting point is 00:29:21 Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode we're cutting through the noise. Breaking down the plays, the controversies,
Starting point is 00:29:49 and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athlete themselves. Their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context, and ask the questions everybody wants answered. Sports slice brings you closer to the action, with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to Sports Slice on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
Starting point is 00:30:20 And for more, follow Timbo Slicelife-Live 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Faith Plus One. I'm sorry, Faith No More. Covino and Rich, live from the Fox Sports Radio Studio. What's it? Does OKC have it? I say absolutely no. What is it?
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Starting point is 00:31:01 I'm Kavino. That is rich. Danny G. Sam. We got DB. We got Bree hanging out. Thank you guys for hanging out with us. Hope you had a nice weekend.
Starting point is 00:31:09 By the way, and what an amazing weekend. Again, got to thank everyone that came out to support us in Vegas. Danny G., any quick observation before we get to the Game 7. Phone calls. Everyone wants to talk about last night. Yeah. I feel like you met so many people. Everyone wanted a little selfie with Danny G. I had a workers permit to join my first radio station when I was 15 years old.
Starting point is 00:31:28 So I've been in radio for a long time. Yeah. That's the wildest listener-driven event I've ever attended before. Oh, it was great. It was so special. And, hey, we told you guys to come. Let's just say you missed our very own Monci in La Raina at the pool party, okay? Because they brought the fun, too.
Starting point is 00:31:45 They were the unofficial Kavino-enrich ring girls. That was awesome. It was unreal. And by the way, Iowa Sam, you were exactly who we wanted you to be because someone said it. Someone, one of our listeners said, you know what we love about Iowa Sam? He's authentic. I said it. You didn't say that right to your face.
Starting point is 00:32:01 You guys came up to me at the Legacy Lounge, the rooftop lounge there at the Circa, and you did say that. It was very, very touching. And Rich was there. Like, you know, you're right. But you were so buzz. No, someone said that to you. No, and Wes said. Someone handed me something to smoke.
Starting point is 00:32:16 I sat with Wes and Vegas. lovely ones a little bit. They were awesome. He said Iowa Sam is who Spot was 15 years ago. By the way, and I'll take this as a compliment. Absolutely. Spot, would you guys agree? Kind of the Wizard of Oz of all this, helping put it together?
Starting point is 00:32:30 Yes. I'm going to give Spot a big old round of applause because he did a great job. This is a lot of planning. A lot of planning. Spot is great. Our video producer here on Fox Sports Radio. Where is he, by the way? At Covino and Rich.
Starting point is 00:32:42 He's still recovering. He's in an iron lung right now just like sleeping for 36 hours. I think he's still picking up stuff in Vegas. It's like literally everything we left behind. But let's get to the phone calls, but Iowa Sam showed up in a Wayne's World hat and like an extra tight Iowa T-shirt that was yellow. And everyone's like, who is? He's so authentic.
Starting point is 00:32:57 Thank you. I appreciate it. I had a great time. I came up with that. All right. Tony in Oregon, your thoughts on Game 7. Are we just, are we being too hard on the Thunder? Because I thought it was boring as could be.
Starting point is 00:33:09 It was definitely boring. I was pulling for the Pacers. Obviously, it was devastated when Halverton went out. I think you're seeing the lackluster euphoricness from Oklahoma City players and the fan base, for that matter, because, you know, they just don't know. Like, they haven't went through the trials and tribulations of a lot of other teams with failure. You've got to have failure to appreciate the win. And I think that's what everybody sensed in that win last night.
Starting point is 00:33:33 I mean, that's a really great point. It really is. I love what you're thinking, but are we really mad at a team for being that good? No, I just think about that. Yeah, I just, I don't know. And isn't it just safe to say that the Steve? came out of everybody when Halliburton went down. It was way less exciting.
Starting point is 00:33:50 Rich in San Antonio. What's up, San Antonio? Hey, buddy. I could not disagree more. Oh, perfect. That's here. I think that was a great finals. I think it was two small market teams that battled.
Starting point is 00:34:12 It went seven games. I thought it was awesome. And I coached basketball. I coached my, sons and AAU. And we, man, when we beat teams that we had no business beating,
Starting point is 00:34:30 the greatest feeling in the world. And just real quick, props to Danny G. I called in maybe a couple of months ago, I don't know. And I got a Swiggy.
Starting point is 00:34:44 And it took a while to get to me, and Danny G. sent me two extra coozys. And I just wanted to say thank you. Oh, no problem. Nice. And, I'm not back, I'm not a double talking Davis here, but I didn't say the finals was bad. I think there's just a lack of excitement, meaning I started this conversation by saying when you compared the last four major champions, they're jumping on each other.
Starting point is 00:35:07 Everyone's going nuts. I feel like they were handshaking like you do after a wreck game at the Y at the Y. It's exactly what happened. I mean, it's exactly what you saw. There was some good basketball. I think people have already forgotten game one where the Thunder had the lead the entire. higher game except for what 0.3 seconds. Yeah, that was a great game.
Starting point is 00:35:26 We did see some great basketball throughout, but we also saw, unfortunately, the first injury that happened to Halliburton and then how things came about yesterday. Let's say how to think there's anything to be said about game one feeling like forever ago, though? Yeah, I'm sure we'll talk about that later in the show. Maybe it's the fact that they dragged it on so long and then it came down to that game. And you're like, what's say how to Jimbo? What's up, Jim in St. Louis?
Starting point is 00:35:52 Hey, guys. What's up, man? Great show. Thank you, man. Thank you, buddy. You don't have to expect them to have it. I mean, most professional athletes don't have it. That is true.
Starting point is 00:36:05 Which is why the legends stand out. You're right. The Spurs is a great example. We just got a call from Rich in San Antonio. Some argued that when the admirable left and no more David Robinson, Tim Duncan, Genobli, Tony Parker, weren't the most exciting champions, and they were fundamentally sound, and Ned Popovich.
Starting point is 00:36:23 I don't know. He was calling from San Antonio, by the way. It's two colors ago. That's why when we talk about the goats, Tim Duncan's often left out of the conversation. It's not that he wasn't a great player. It's that he didn't have it. Tim Duncan was a great dude.
Starting point is 00:36:38 He's a great leader, great player, but sort of a boring watch. Fundamentals, you know, we're hating on all the wrong things. It was a boring celebration. That's really what it comes down to. Cove, it's interesting you would say Tim Duncan, because didn't we the other day joke about how he was one Ray Allen three-pointer away from being six and oh in the finals yes yet he's still not
Starting point is 00:36:57 talked about enough not enough all right uh odessa let's go to dwayne what's up dwayne i guess it was just it was a great party really appreciate it oh thank you man anytime queen anytime really good people king carlos and uh johnny go or gunny jo from san juan coppistrano which is really good event so but one of the things i wanted to mention is that sometimes these teams they kind of take on the image america big twins fan you They won two World Series, and those were great moments for a lot of people that lived like every other year. And when you're a small market team, you really appreciate it. So once again, great time in Vegas, really enjoyed it.
Starting point is 00:37:39 Thanks a lot. Hey, no problem, Dwayne. That was Big Mike snoring next to him. How was that? I thought Dwayne was at a motorcycle rally or something. Yeah, because Big Mike's not here. He's missing. Spotty's missing.
Starting point is 00:37:51 He's resting today. He's on. Mike are resting. Let's go to Ian in L.A. What's up, Ian? Last one. What up? How's going, guys?
Starting point is 00:37:58 What's up? Hey, so I think the problem with Jay's NBA is there's no real storyline. You know, there's a lot of great players, great teams. And if you're a big basketball fan, what you're seeing is what you hoped for. Nobody's dominant. But it lacks the storyline. So if you're a casual user, you don't care. Yeah, that's true.
Starting point is 00:38:19 And you know what, then I'm guilty because I'm more casual than die hard. So, hey, Rich, you think maybe it has to do with the fact that we're still recovering from Vegas? and thanks for the call, man. And there's a sense of relief in our minds a little bit, too, because there's a lot of hate toward basketball, period, because I know you want to talk about how much you hate the WNBA. That's not what I want to talk about. And I had the same feeling about the whole Kevin Durant move over the weekend.
Starting point is 00:38:47 He had made it very clear. I mean, he's gotten to the point where he can call the shots 19 years in the league, MVP, superstar champion. Kevin Durant says, I'll play for the Lakers. the spurs or the Rockets. And I feel like even the move to the Rockets is so boring to me, dude. Like that was the last team I wanted to hear him play for. I'm like, oh, that's no fun.
Starting point is 00:39:08 As a broadcaster, as a broadcaster, I guess I'm a professional broadcaster, right? Houston you say? Oh, good. As a broadcaster, as a sports fan, I'm like, Houston, be sure to drink your oval team. Boring. I thought that was the weakest announcement. I really did. Like any other team would have.
Starting point is 00:39:28 been cooler to me than that. And that's no knock on Houston. It's just, they didn't feel fun or exciting to me. I was like, all right. So I don't know if that's just the mood we're in. You ever watch a movie and it sort of stinks, but then you watch it again, you're like, maybe I was just in a bad mood. Yeah. Maybe there's something to that. But again,
Starting point is 00:39:44 lack of celebration for sure. But congratulations to OKC, extremely dominant. And now we'll get to more phone calls, but we turn it over to our guy, Dan Byer. D.B. Oh, the whole Duran thing. It went off on it yesterday during my Sunday show with Mike Harmon. It's on social media. They tried to plan it like this was this organic experience that he was on stage at Fanatics
Starting point is 00:40:04 Fest. When all of a sudden, he got traded. Wow. While he was on stage, this happened ahead of game seven of the NBA finals to completely steal, no pun intended, the thunder of that game seven. Wow. Yes, it was so contrived and so awful and so ridiculous. So those are other reasons why I hated the Durant trade yesterday. I digress. The Pacers are falling a game short of winning that NBA championship, and now today they found out that they're likely to not
Starting point is 00:40:34 have Tyreys Halliburton for all of next season. Did rupture that Achilles tendon and his right leg scheduled for surgery today. I mentioned this earlier with you guys, but viewership for game seven. It was the highest rated NBA finals game in six years last night, a 16.35 million viewers.
Starting point is 00:40:50 That's the number that averaged out, according to the athletic for that game seven. numbers were down as an overall series from a year ago when the Celtics topped the Mavericks in five games. Rockets will decline the option on Fred Van Vleet's deal. It was worth almost $45 million, but the sides are expected to work out a long-term contract extension between now and next Monday and Wizards forward Chris Middleton, exercising his $33 million player option for next season.
Starting point is 00:41:14 Prosecutors in the Dominican Republic recommended suspended Ray shortstop Wander Franco to be sentenced to five years in prison for sexually abusing a 14-year-old girl. Aaron Judge of the Yankees continues to lead all players in voting for next month's All-Star Game in Atlanta with more than 2.6 million votes. Guys, back to you. Thank you, Dan. Dan, Byer, you and men, appreciate you. Now, coming up, I don't hate the WMBA, but I do have... Says it right here. I wrote it in my notes. Rich hates the WMBA. This whole Kelsey Plum story. No, there's a Kelsey Plum story I hate. I don't hate her. I don't hate the WMBA. I hate this story, and I'll explain why. And I guarantee you'll agree with me. I like negative, angry, dicky. I like it.
Starting point is 00:41:53 I like it. Well, I'm going to tell you who I hate coming up. We'll get to that. Plus, the commander is making an interesting move in the NFL. I want to talk about that. And a bunch more. Some NFL, maybe a peak at your Super Bowl halftime act. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:42:07 Yeah, there was a rumor about halftime coming up. So all that and more. Kavino and Rich right here on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast.
Starting point is 00:42:23 called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys?
Starting point is 00:42:38 I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember. going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing a bit for the podcast where people could call in
Starting point is 00:42:59 and say, hey Jonas, and then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some
Starting point is 00:43:17 SNL late night comedy guy. Not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and headwriter, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes.
Starting point is 00:43:37 Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The French Open is one of the toughest tests in tennis, and I know firsthand, because I competed there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs, and on the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris. Every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on Clay. Jenchian win. I mean, she went down in three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lina Rabakina is arguably the best player in
Starting point is 00:44:15 in the world right now. And I actually can win on any surface, because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your court-side seat to the French Open. Listen to the Renee Stubbs Tennis Podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential.
Starting point is 00:44:45 Either way, the podcast's superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Jacob Kingston grew up in an isolated polygamist sect. We were God's chosen kingdom on earth. He felt destined for greatness.
Starting point is 00:45:14 So when a swaggering Armenian businessman catapults Jacob into an extraordinary world, He doesn't look back. Ferraris and Lamborghinis, private jets, meeting the president of Turkey. I'm Michelle McPhee, and this is one of the most shocking criminal conspiracies I've ever come across. When Jacob met Levant, this went to a billion-dollar fraud.
Starting point is 00:45:37 But with two kings from entirely different worlds, just how long can their empire survive? The largest tax investigation in American history. You need to tell me what you know. Is somebody coming? coming after me. Jacob told Levan, you're ruining my life. Listen to Kingdom of Fraud on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your
Starting point is 00:46:02 podcast. Welcome back to the show Graham program, Covino and Rich. Yeah. Steve Big Dumber Covino and Rich Davis, who officially requested to be called Dickie Love Lady Davis moving forward. Do you see the Mets new reliever? his name is Richard Love Lady and he's like, please call me Dickie Love Lady.
Starting point is 00:46:28 So I hope this guy's, I hope this guy's good enough to come out of the bullpen once in a while. Dickie Love Lady Davis, everybody, moving forward. And we're back from Vegas. Had a great time. Live in L.A., excited for this week, live from the Fox Sports Radio Studio. And it's time for our Tyraq play of the day.
Starting point is 00:46:48 No Tyrese Halliburton. We're not fine. It got pouring right after that for Indiana and the Thunder pulled away in the third quarter to win it all. Thunder fans feel this moment. The uncons toppable. It's over at Paycom Center. Final in game seven, the Thunder 103, the Pacers 91.
Starting point is 00:47:09 A dream realized. The storybook season is complete. The final chapter reads the Oklahoma City Thunder of the 2025 NBA champions. I mean, great call. They just ended up fist-bumping while he's saying all that greatness. Boring. WLS Thunder Radio. network and that was our tire rack play of the day
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Starting point is 00:47:44 too. No one calls me Steve Big Dumber Covino because I have a big dumper. It's because I just like a big dumper. I just want to make that. Oh, yeah. But by the way. So plenty of cheeks at a stadium swim. That's sure, huh?
Starting point is 00:47:57 Sure did. And props to Cal Raleigh, big dumper. I heard a story today where he's okay with the nickname, but his mom's not a big fan of it. It was just so funny to me. He's got 31 bombs, man. It's insane. The big dumper. Yeah, the big dump.
Starting point is 00:48:12 Do you think he'll sign his baseball cards like that? I don't know. Yeah, I would if I were him. But again, the other nickname in the news today is Dickie Love Lady Metz Reliever. So instead of Richard Love Lady, he's now Dickie Love Lady. Yes. Before we get to some WMBA annoyance, I'll explain why I'm angry at something. We're going to talk to some NFL. We might know our Super Bowl halftime show for next year. At least they're hinting at it. But if you got kids, I saw this was interesting.
Starting point is 00:48:40 Danny G., you got like college kids and a baby. I have eight kids all different age ranges. They do age. They do range in age. Apparently there's a couple new things that kids are saying in the summer. Like all the skibbitty riz and all that stuff, that's old news. There's a couple new ones. Can I throw them at you? Tell me if you've heard these. Let's hear them.
Starting point is 00:48:59 In the summer, kids are all talking about the UV. Like, they actually check on their phone. Oh, our daughter does this every day. The UV to see, like, if they can refer to it as the UV. They're like, yeah, just late in the day and low UV. Like, they're worried about the UV to get tan and stuff, right? So funny, man, it's a big deal. My daughter talks about it too.
Starting point is 00:49:16 My daughter thinks that it's cool to get tanned on the days where the UV's bad. We had to explain to her like, no genius. It's the opposite. It's a thing. Kids are way into politics and UV. I'm like, I'm fascinated by it. Like, they're, like, UVs? They're looking at the UV.
Starting point is 00:49:31 Two things I didn't give a dilly squat about when I was a teenager. Politics and UV. Apparently the term, I'm crashing out. That doesn't mean like you're tired. Like, you'd say I'm crashing. Like, I'm, you know, I had a long weekend in Vegas. I'm going to crash. They're crashing out like, like anxiety and everything's got the best of them.
Starting point is 00:49:46 Like, they're freaking out. They're crashing out. And the other one, have you heard? It's like an acronym that they text each other. so if you see your kid Texas, Sabau, S-Y-B-A-U. Do you know this one? Sabo. Sabo.
Starting point is 00:50:06 It's, shut your bitch ass up. That's the new one. So if you see your kid put out Sabow, that's the new acronym that every young kid's using. Cool. Covino on the Sabal show. Sabo while they're listening to Shabuzi. Can I just hit you with a Sabo? No.
Starting point is 00:50:25 I was going to say, every Oklahoma. Oklahoma City Thunder fans telling me right now, Sabal. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Shut you up. All right. Real quick, WMBA, this rubbed me in such a weird way because, listen, I root for women's sports to get to next level. I do.
Starting point is 00:50:43 You know how you preface this, Rich? You got to say, I'm a girl dad. No, I don't want to do that. No, I don't want to do that. Because it's like someone racist saying, I have friends of color. No, I'm not going to say, you know, I'm a girl dad. I'm a girl dead, everyone. But there's a problem with the WMBA, and I'll explain what that is coming up next.
Starting point is 00:50:59 And it has to do with Kelsey Plum, whom I'm sure is lovely, but she did something that rubbed me a weird way. I'll get to that. We'll get to Shaq Diesel tribute. Some Shaq Diesel and the NFL creeping back into our lives. Can't wait to start talking more and more football. It's a fun Monday show. Hang with us at Covine-On Rich. More next right here.
Starting point is 00:51:20 Fox Sports Radio. Hey guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick, and guess what? We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast?
Starting point is 00:51:31 Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know, tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen.
Starting point is 00:51:49 We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. On Humor Me with Robert Smygel and Friends, me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:52:21 Hey, I'm Deanna Maria Riva, and on my new podcast, How Hard Can It Be? I call on my Gen X squad from Ohio to Hollywood as we navigate Midlife's most fantastic BS. Unfiltered conversations from night sweats to futas to scheduling sex. Wait, what sex? Is it just me or does every woman my age want to look at Pinterest instead of having sex sometimes? They say we can't polish a turd, but we're sure going to try. So let's get blunt with laughs, tears, or tears of laughter. Listen to How Hard Can It Be with Diana Maria Riva on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,
Starting point is 00:52:54 or wherever you get your podcast. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano. It's our favorite time of the year on our podcast, Point Game, the playoffs. We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season, and I'm looking back on some of my greatest playoff moments.
Starting point is 00:53:07 If we didn't talk ever again, I was hungry. You just understood. That's how personal it got. Wow. Then after that game 7, Mark keep coming to you. He's like, you know, I love you, dog. You know, it's all love.
Starting point is 00:53:17 This was just playoffs. This was just basketball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. This week on Crimless, Rory and I welcome a very special guest. When I did podcasts, I wear my sleep masks. I like where this is going. So if you guys will indulge me.
Starting point is 00:53:36 That's right, the incredibly talented and hilarious Will Ferrell on an episode dedicated to crimes committed by people named Will Ferrell. You're good for 300 crimes? Yeah. We got two. I'm ready to go right up to present day. Listen to Crimless on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed human.

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