The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Cowboys, Eagles, Lakers, Aaron Rodgers, & where Colin was right and wrong

Episode Date: November 12, 2018

Colin discusses why Dallas Cowboys win over the Philadelphia Eagles is bad for them, how the Los Angeles Lakers are improving, an interesting stat about Green Bay Packers QB Aaron Rodgers, and where he was right and wrong over the weekend. Guests include Chris Broussard, Greg Jennings, Trent Dilfer, and Tony Gonzalez. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Good morning. You know, I've got kids. And I noticed this very early when my son was six, seven years old. You give them like a Snickers bar and I saw the sugar high. And you'd just be running around the house going a thousand miles an hour. and I'm chasing him and he's breaking stuff and breaking glasses, breaking vases, and so there was no more snickers. And then, after about an hour of that, he would have a crash.

And he would be in a bad mood, he'd be feisty, he would be six or seven years old, and he'd be crying. I'm like, we've got to get sugar out of the house. This morning, Dallas Cowboys, Jerry Jones, were on a sugar high, and it always ends with a crash. Last night's a disaster for the Cowboys. Yes, when they have a lead. Yes, when Zeke is running wild.

Yes, when they play a depleted defense. Yes, they look pretty good. Dak fools you. Rush for over 170 yards. Average over six yards a rush. Had the ball for 33 minutes. Yes, Dak. Dak can look really good when he's got the formula.

Never forget Tim Tebow won six straight. Great defense, great running game, great kicker, score in the teens. There are formulas. average quarterbacks who you don't want to pay a lot need a formula to win. Dak needs Zeke to run wild. He needs the offense to be controlling the clock. He needs second and four, third and one for the play action to work. He needs to play with the lead.

The weather has to be better than average or at least not chaotic. And he's got to have his defense playing well so he doesn't get in a shootout. Yes, that's when Dak can win. That's how Tebow won six straight games. how Mark Sanchez got to the AFC championship. Twice. But franchise quarterbacks that you want to pay $150

million don't need a formula. They just need the ball and a little help. Okay, because you're going to get in shootouts in this league. If you got DAC for the next five years, Steelers, Patriots, Rams, chiefs, chargers,

you're watching those teams this year. The rules are all going offense. All of them. And I love Dallas front seven defensively. I love their players. They're really, really good. But those players, the Bears players, all the great defenses in the league can't stop anybody now. Once you face a great quarterback, right now Dallas is on a sugar high because the formula was perfect. It's amazing how often I understand fans getting fooled. But is Jerry Jones being fooled by this? I mean, Andy Dalton, when he had the defense, when he had all the good receivers, when he had, he won a bunch of games,

won a division. Baker Mayfield yesterday. only through 20 times, played with a lead, played a bad defense, had a great running support. Yes, a lot of guys in this league can win, win the formula is perfect. Carson Wentz last night didn't have a Pro Bowl right tackle. Smallwood's, their best running back. Jordan Matthews is a go-to receiver. He just got cut by the Patriots and their defensive secondaries and nightmare. So he's playing from behind the whole game.

And the Cowboys linebackers are much better athletes than the running backs behind him. that's what a franchise quarterback looks like. Carson Wentz last night, playing from behind with a beat-up defense, not getting support from his own line. That's what a franchise quarterback looks like, even though he lost. But I saw this with Oklahoma City. Westbrook wins the MVP. Sugar high, sugar high, sign him to a long-term deal.

Then you're left with Westbrook. This is what the Buffalo Bills do every September when their quarterback plays well. Sign him to a long-term contract. Yeah, then you're left with Ryan Fitzpatrick with an. expensive long-term contract. The sugar high is always followed by a crash. It's always followed by a crash. And the gap last night between Wentz and Dak is huge.

Give Dak playing from behind. Give Dak Smallwood. Give Dak Jordan Matthews. Give Dak a secondary-like Phillies. If you go to Dak Prescott's career, he's had about 10, like, nights or afternoons. We've gone, wow, franchise guy. And all 10, it's been the same formula. It's not shootouts.

No, it's Zeke. It's controlling the clock. Zeke's running for 125 yards. Second and four, third and one. Go look at his great games. Look at his great passer ratings. Zeke's having a game. Zeke's controlling the clock.

The play action pass works. But all last night really did if you're a cowboy fan. All it did is guarantee that Jerry Jones flew back. to Dallas on his private jet with Stephen Jones and the whole family, and he was telling everybody, I told you, Dax the guy, just out-duled Carson Wentz. Went to Philadelphia, beat a rival. Dak Prescott's our guy. Nah, he needs a formula.

Last night, the formula was perfect. Carson Wentz was the only quarterback on that field you want to spend over $100 million on. Let me shift gears to this. Now, I did say on Friday, I don't do this very much. And there are micro topics on this show, small ones, and macro topics, big one. I would call micro topics predicting games. Macro topics, how does it affect the season and the franchise? I predicted on Friday, eagle blowout.

On a micro level, I was wrong. But on a macro level, I told you after the Super Bowl with Philadelphia, they're going to come back. And I see this time and time again. I call it the lottery winner syndrome in sports. When people who are not used to wealth, not used to celebrity, not used to having an unending stream of parades in cash, get it, they don't know what to do with it. Jacksonville, Atlanta Falcons, Carolina Panthers, Philadelphia Eagles. They're not used to getting to Super Bowls.

They're not used to getting to Super Bowls. And they're not used to winning Super Bowls. And once they win Super Bowls, they're flexing. They're flexing on social media. They're writing books. They're getting endorsements. They're getting shoe deals. And Philadelphia off a buy.

That was it. You saw it last night. And since you're not used to winning Philadelphia, this is how, it works. You're now 21st in the NFL and points with Carson wins. Here's how it works. You win a Super Bowl or get to a Super Bowl and you lose a couple of really good assistance and a couple of maybe coordinators. Oh, yeah, ask New England. They have. So you lost Frank Wright. John, the other coach, I'm, Donnie, Philippo, yeah. So you lose a couple of assistants, really good coaches, they leave. Uh-oh. And then you lose a couple of players. Somebody overpays

for your Super Bowl players. And then you have a first place schedule and you become a target and you kind of lose your edge. Players don't work out quite as hard in the offseason. And what you get is this. Four and five headed to the Superdome to take on the Saints. Good luck with that. When cities and franchises that aren't used to winning big suddenly win big, it's the lottery

syndrome. Oh crap. Do I buy four homes or five? Do I buy another sports car? A third boat. More skis. Jet skis. And then you wake up one morning and you're like,

ooh, I blew it. New England, Pittsburgh, Green Bay. They're used to winning. Andy Reid wins every year. Drew Brees. You just don't see the roller coasters with those teams and those players. I mean, Aaron Rogers,

he was winning on the bench with Fav and he's winning now. Aaron Rogers doesn't give you this and Brady doesn't give you this and Andy Reid doesn't give you this because they're used to winning. Somebody told me this years ago, it may have been Trent Dilfer had a line. He said everybody in athletics treats losing the same. They get pissed and they work twice as hard. But everybody does not act the same after winning. Winning's different. Winning gives you attention. Winning gives you money. Winning gives you endorsements.

Everybody wants a selfie. Everybody wants an autograph. And some people can't handle it. And when you haven't won and you suddenly are the talk of the town, oh my, you're buying a third boat. A 16th pair of shoes. Another suit. And you don't wear the ones you have. Last night, I thought I was wrong on a micro level. I thought Philly off a bye. Here we go. Nah, here we go. Jacksonville gave themselves a nickname, Saxonville. They were good for an hour.

New England doesn't have a nickname. Pittsburgh. They're just the Steelers. They're not the Saxonville Steelers. They're just the Steelers and they're just the Patriots. and he's just Andy Reed, and he's not storming Drew Breeze. It's just Drew Breeze, and that's how winners do it. They're used to winning.

They don't need jet skis to make them happy. By the way, more bad news for the Philadelphia Eagles, really, really bad news, an excellent player for them. Ronald Darby, a cornerback, not like the Eagles haven't had enough secondary injuries. It's unbelievable. He's out for the season, torn ACL. Four and five. Headed to the Superdome.

I'm just going to go with my gut feeling on this. It won't be super. Coming up next, what to make of New England's loss. I mean, you watch that game? It really wasn't very close. It wasn't very competitive. The Titans, the team that nobody ever can trust, right? They look great.

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This was fairly predictable. I have two thoughts on this. once in a while. Let's start with the first one. Every year, there's somebody the Patriots have beaten up on for years or there's a Patriot connection and they come out and just get punched in the forehead. Last year, Miami, Monday Night Football, they come out off several big wins and lay a complete egg against the Dolphin franchise. They have basically suffocated for the last 15 years. Yesterday it's Tennessee. Malcolm Butler they let go of. Dionne Lewis they let go of. Mike Rabel's a former Patriot earlier this year.

The Detroit Lions played their game of the year against them. Why would that be? Because the Lions head coaches Matt Patricia, the student, Belichick's the mentor. You see this time and time again. About every year, there's a game or two where there's somebody the Patriots have let go of, traded, released. They play with passion. There's a coaching understudy that gets a job and they're all dialed in for that.

And in the end, it never really matters because come January, New England will win their division going away. Have you checked the standings this morning? Jets lost, they're awful. Miami lost their awful. Buffalo won only because they're playing the Jets. They're awful. New England will have a buy and be hosting somebody in the AFC. Now, does this game perhaps mean they'll play at Pittsburgh in the playoffs?

They have before and won. They'll play at Kansas City in the playoffs. I'll take my chances with Belichick and Brady against Patrick Mahomes. That part doesn't matter. But there was something yesterday that I did notice. Once again, Gronk was out and Gronk wasn't dressed and Gronk was inactive. And never forget that Bill Belichick wanted to trade Gronk during the offseason. Remember when Gronk admitted it that he heard it and he knew it.

They didn't want me in New England. Yeah, it happened. And Brady's my quarterback. That's all. Wasn't going anywhere without Brady. Gromk admits it. They tried to get rid of me. So yesterday, Dionne Lewis,

Malcolm Butler, Belichick got rid of him. So it's a big game for them. But here's what's also interesting. Gronk has one touchdown all year. Gronk can't stay healthy. and Belichick was right on Gronk, too. It's over.

He's the most overpaid player on that Patriot roster, and it's not close. New England, the two moves that Belichick pushed back on, he didn't want to give up Garoppolo. Bob Kraft stepped in. We're trading Garoppel. Tommy's my guy. The second move that Belichick wanted to make, Gronk can't stay healthy.

We've got to move on. Brady stepped in. Bronx, my guy. We can't make a move. You watch this yesterday? Gronks irrelevant. I don't even going into games. Is he playing? Is he not? Who cares? They score the same without him. Sony Michelle, the rookie running back now, is more important.

James White, running back, more important. Left tackle position, more important. Julian Edelman's back, more important. Frankly, Josh Gordon right now, his growth and development is more important. The two instances were the owner and the quarterback, have pushed back on Belichick. Tommy was mad they let go of Malcolm Butler. He wanted to keep Grunk.

Both were on display yesterday. Gronk was predictably hurt. Malcolm Butler was Malcolm Butler. After the game, Dionne Lewis, the former Patriot, he was talking trash about that big win. Listen. I didn't have to prove anything. I know what I could play.

I just had to, you know, just let our team know that these guys are beatable. So I know those guys. I know that you be physical with them and let them have it. They'll fold. Hell yeah, it's personal. That's what happened when you go cheap. You get your ass kick.

Dion, you average 2.8 yards of carry and had 11 yards receiving. You did not kick anybody's, you know what. Belichick's always been right. He was right on Gronk. They're paying him a fortune. Eighth most important guy. Seventh on the team. Hell, fifth on the offense.

That wasn't about Dionne Lewis yesterday. That wasn't about Malcolm Butler. That was about Jarrell Casey and all those dudes up front. They dominated the Patriots offensive line. But the owner doubted Bill and the quarterback doubted Bill and Tennessee's gloating over Bill. Come January, one of those two teams will be playing and the other will be watching.

Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line. All right. Nice little win for the Lakers there last night. Yes. Since joining the Lakers, Tyson Chandler has been extremely helpful in three straight games for the first, they won three straight games the first time this season. And last night against the Hawks after LeBron dunked the winning basket with 15 seconds ago after missing two free throws. Chandler blocked Trey Young's driving layup to preserve a 107-106 victory over the Hawks and here he is after the game.

Honestly, I don't know. We're getting like two kids jumping for junk. I said, that's my dog. My dog. My dog. That's LeBron responding to, they asked him what do LeBron say to him after he walked, Tray Young's layup. What was Tray Young thinking? Tyson Chandler is a very big person. Trey Young's actually been playing well.

He's actually been impressive, but this was, Tyson Chandler's been such a influential addition for them. And Tyson Chandler is a player that LeBron went to the front. office and said, we need a rim protector, get us Tyson-Chantler. By the way, everybody is criticizing LeBron's free throws. He struggled last night. Folks, every great player in league history has a liability. Michael Jordan never had great range on his jumper. He only shot threes well when the league moved it in, then they moved it back, and Michael, Michael didn't have range. Kobe, by the way, was a very difficult guy to play with, became at the end of his career, ball-centric. Westbrook. Shack

couldn't hit a free throw. LeBron's never been a great free throw shooter. It has been, I never ever feel great. If LeBron's in line with 20 seconds left, I've never felt like... Yeah, you don't feel comfortable. No, but that's okay because Michael Jordan

could never shoot threes until the league moved it in. For two years, Michael shot him, then they moved it out, and Michael went back to like 25% again from threes. That was his liability. Forced him to shoot long-range Js. Well, actually, if you watch the end of this, if you watch this the rebounds, Tyson takes their two bigs out. Atlanta really should have put their bigger lineup in to get the rebound.

Tyson takes their two bigs out and then opens it up for Kuzma to get the rebound so that LeBron can get the dunk. This is obviously not the end of the game. This is here with Tyson's block. But yeah, also LeBron, this is why LeBron likes to play with veterans. Tyson isn't just the regular center. He really is like a point guard. He's very vocal. He's vocal in practice. He's a leader. So that takes a lot off of LeBron's play. Yeah. All right. So Baker Mayfield arguably had his best game of the year.

Oh, he did. Ending the Browns four-game losing streak as they beat the Falcons, 2816 at home. Yeah. He passed per season high three touchdowns, only three in completions, and a pass the rating of 151.2. Yeah. And here he is on how he was feeling yesterday.

Do you know that in warm-ups that you're going to have a day like that, like a 30 pitcher or something? No. Warm-ups, not really. But when I woke up this morning, I was feeling pretty dangerous. getting a little sly after a win. It's all right. You're allowed to be, you're allowed to enjoy your win.

We talked about formulas for Dak Prescott and how people get fooled on formulas. Baker had a great running game, played with a lead against a terrible defense. And oh, by the way, how many times did he throw it? 20, which was tied for the fewest throws. Again. Can you just give him credit for a very nice win? I'm not in the credit business. That's Visa.

Again, we got fooled with Tebow. when everything's right, you're playing a bad defense, they don't ask you to throw. Do you know Cleveland only had eight third downs? He never had third down. It was perfect. I'm not saying that he's Drew Brees. I'm just saying he had a nice game. They had a nice win.

When the formula's perfect for him. Unfortunately, this is way more of an indictment of Atlanta. What is Atlanta? Well, they're absolutely atrocious defensively. They can't get people off the field. They just can't get people off the field. You can just take the ball against Atlanta and have six-minute drives. seven-minute drive. That's been their problem all year.

They're a team that's been on crutches all year. Like from week two, they've been all beat up. They just can't be trusted. So finally, the Pats took the L yesterday from the Titans, 34 to 10, and there was a lot of bad blood from former Patriots. We just played Dionne Lewis calling his former team cheap for not resigning him this offseason. And here is Tom Brady's response to all that. It's hard to see great players go.

And I know it's not the first time it's happened. It's happened to a lot of guys. and I can understand that emotion. You know, I give them credit. They beat us. And when you win, you know, you could say a lot of things. That's the reality of winning. We'll just take our lumps and try to learn from them,

come out here and do a lot better job the next six weeks. I understand everyone feels like they deserve more money and that they should be paid. And so I have no problem with... And Dion Luz isn't wrong. The Pats are cheap. Well, are they cheap or are they frugal? People could say I'm cheap, but I'm a good tipper.

Like I Okay, okay, fine. That's fair. That's a fair description of them. I wouldn't necessarily call them cheap, but they are not the type to give out big, ridiculous contracts, which may be why they are so successful.

I think it is the reason. But Dionne Lewis is not in the business to save the Patriots money. So I have no problem with him being upset that he feels like he earned a contract. And look, they won. So like Tom Brady said, when you win, you can talk. I never blame the player for pursuing money, especially after a player gets a ring, go get your money. But I'm

going to defend the team not paying Dionne Lewis a fortune. Sony-Michel, James White, are very good players in the NFL for a lot less money. Right, and it's not like the Patriots are not losing. It's not like they're out here losing. Like, they lost yesterday and that was a bad loss, but I don't

feel like they made a mistake. But I get where Dionne Lewis is coming from. He wants his money. I enjoy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping The Hurd Lie News. I'm going to read this commercial before I introduce the next guest because it has to do with clothing. And he is a sharp dressed man. Don't be the guy in the room with a sloppy looking untuck shirt.

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look like a million dollars every time. A million dollars. So I said to start the show, I hear you disagree with me, is that I got kids and I learned very early with my son. Don't give him a snickers. Because for the next hour, I'm going to be chasing him around the house, and then he's going to crash after an hour. He's going to be crying and be cranky.

And I see this all the time, is that the cowboys this morning are, it's a sugar high. Everything was perfect for DAC. Play with the lead, running game, time of possession. third and one, defense playing great, game in the teens. And Jerry's flying on his private jet last night saying, told you I'm right. And I'm like, okay, but I've watched this league for 40 years. The great ones win shootouts.

And they play from behind. When you were with Aaron Rogers and you're trailing by 14 entering the third, that's who I'll pay $150 million to. Yeah, but you got to understand. This is when you go into a game, every team has a formula. Every team has their keys to their success. And what we saw last night is the Dallas Cowboys formula. That is the key to their success.

They want to get out in front. They want to stick with the run because that's their offense. That's what allows Deek. Deak. I've done that before. That's what allows DAC to be more and most efficient when he's not bearing the load of that offense. Okay. So that's the Andy.

Dalton, Alex Smith way. 100%. And listen. Blake Boyle's way. Alex Smith has won a lot of games in San Francisco, Kansas City. He's doing it now with the Redskins. It's effective. What is, I don't think now can they sustain this?

I don't think they can sustain it. Andy Dalton. Not in the NFC. You can't sustain it in NFC because the defenses are too good. And by the way. Other teams are going to put up a lot of points. Again, I'm not. saying Todd Gurley doesn't help Jared Gough. I'm not saying that. But what you're telling me is

that Dak's going to need a back this substantial to succeed. What I'm saying is this is what Jerry Jones has gotten himself into. When we saw Dak Prescott and we saw Ezekiel Elliott in year one, the reason why Dak Prescott was so successful, he didn't get sacked, and he was able to hand the ball off to Ezekio Elliott and he was able to average almost four or five yards of pop. Right. And he wasn't asked to do above and beyond. Year two, Ezekio Elliott is out for six. He's asked now to do above and beyond what the call of duty was coming in.

Now the expectation has been set because of the year one that he had and we want to see him progressively grow. But this is the Dallas Cowboys. This is who they are. They understand our offense goals as Ezekiel Elliott goes. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think you're right. I just think I'm not paying $125 million for that formula.

They know that too. I don't think they will have to. Okay, but what happens when Dax agent comes in and says, okay, I look at all these Matt Stafford numbers. Matt Stafford doesn't have a signature win in his career. He's going to want $25 million a year. What are you going to give him? Let me tell you something.

Would you take Matthew Stafford over Dach's? Prescott? Yes. Exactly. That is not even you can't even say what about Matt Staphyt. No, you're not Matthew Stafford, number one. Because he can come back, he can put the game on his shoulders and he can make things

happen in the fourth quarter, which he tends to do. What do you think Dak is going to accept as a deal? Hey, look, it's almost like. He has made that franchise a lot of money. Let me tell you something. He accepted a lot when he sided with Jerry and he had his back. He

understands Jerry has his back. He's basically taking a hometown discount. You think he'll take a discount? 100%. If he goes anywhere else, they're not going to pay him. Who's going to pay Dak Prescott outside of the Dallas Cowboys? Not a lot of takers there.

My point. He's best where he is. Yeah, you know, you're probably right, and that's amazing. That's the standard for the Dallas Cowboys today. Can you imagine the Lakers celebrating a Pacific division title? The Yankees celebrating a wild card spot? Notre Dame or Alabama celebrating the holiday bowl. You're telling me that Dallas Cowboys are like, listen, we found a guy.

I think you're right. We found a guy. He is the next Andy Dalton. You tell me that that's the standard. I mean, honestly, we're knocking Andy Dalton. Andy Dalton has had a great year. I watched yesterday. Andy Dalton lost me $50.

He did. He had a poor game yesterday. But Andy Dalton can play. Oh, come on. He's a better thrower than Dak Prescott. No, whatever. I'm not 100% sold on Dak Prescott without Ezekiel. Okay, that's fine.

So we talked about the Cowboys. I'm going to take a break. I want to get to the Super Bowl hangover. I want to get to a theory on the Packers. A well-dressed man. Look at you. Look at you on television. You were made for TV.

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I predicted they would blow up the Cowboys this weekend. I was way off. Carson Wentz. It's funny. So they win the Super Bowl, and Lane Johnson had this quote that drove me insane. Yes, it has. Okay, the quote was, hey, I would rather win one Super Bowl

have fun, yeah, than win five. Well, congratulations, that's going to be it. Because I'm watching them yesterday, and off a buy, is it fair to say now? Too many books, too many endorsements, lost their edge. What did you see? No. You will never get me to agree with you on this.

And the reason why is, number one, they came into this season on crutches. Like your quarterback, your top receiver, offensive, like you came in wounded. Even though you were on top, you won the Super Bowl, you came into this season half of what you really are. And so they've never been able to bounce back. You look at them last night, they're secondary. Oh, it's a mess. They're depleted.

No, and they just lost Derby for the year. They're done. Are you kidding me? They can't win for losing right now. It's like they keep getting guys going. having guys go down, whereas last year, guys were there to start the season. You lose Hicks, you lose Peters, you lose Carson Wins, but they had already had it rolling. Right now, it's been a grind.

And when you start off a season and a grind and you're behind the eight ball when it comes to health, it's going to be an uphill battle the entire time. Oh, it has been. Listen, the secondaries amassed. They have to play from behind. Listen, against Carolina is a prime example. They dominate Carolina for three quarters, and then they play conservative, and Cam has his greatest quarter of the year because he had to throw, their secondary is a mess.

And they, you know, in the NFL, it's not, you don't have to be great everywhere, but you can't be in chaos anywhere. Philadelphia is in utter chaos in the secondary. They are. So do you ever see the TV show Friends? I did. Ross and Rachel. And here's what the Green Bay Packers have become.

They've become the TV show Friends. by about the 11th year. Rachel slept with everybody. Ross was wearing me out. They were still funny and drank coffee. But in the end, I'd seen everything, and there was just better shows on television. So yesterday you had all these games on TV at the same time.

And the Rams and the Raiders and the Chargers. I have the Packers and the Dolphins. And I've got to be honest. They don't get me to a TV anymore. When the Steelers didn't play yesterday, it felt like less of a day. I'm watching yesterday. I watched the game with them,

I'm like, I want to see Mahomes. I want to see Breeze. I want to see Goff. There are so many compelling young quarterbacks out there. And the veterans now, like Breeze are playing at a higher level than Aaron. This is, this is, I've seen Rachel and Ross. This is what it is. The monkeys now, remember when the monkey came on the show, you knew the show was over on Friends.

When they brought an animal on a show, the show is officially over. Green Bay is like, it's just, they don't feel special anymore. This is the problem I have with what you're saying. What? Because Aaron Rogers has been so great in years past, we expect him to be great despite any and every situation. He's clearly not 100%, clearly not 100%, but he has help. And what we're seeing is an Aaron Rogers that is willing to throw the ball away more, going to set the record for throwaways this year, but it's not all bad because he's getting help.

He's going down. If he feels like he's going to get sacked, he's going down. He's protecting himself. Again, I think why you're not as interested is because it's not this Aaron Rogers show. But let me remind you, there was two weeks ago, they were out here in L.A., and everyone wanted to watch that game, specifically the last couple minutes. Why? Because we all wanted to see what number 12 was going to do had he gotten the opportunity to do. Let me remind you what happened.

They lost another big TV game. They did lose. They did lose. I understand that. But for you to say, oh, they're like friends. They're almost hard to watch. They were still a good television show, but there were better stuff on television. I'm not.

There's a lot more flashier guys right now because Aaron Rogers, he doesn't have his same mobility, his ability to run away from the fingers. So you notice that. Oh, yeah. He knows. He's not going to get out there and just say, you know what, my knee is bothering. Just because I don't have the brace on doesn't mean I'm 100% because that's not what viewers want to hear. That's not what fans want to hear.

No one cares. Well, you don't want to tell the defense that anyway. Exactly. But, I mean, we all know it. He's not 100%, but he's able to get the job. Is this a contending team? As long as he's at quarterback, they have a chance. How deep they go depends on if Aaron Jones continues to do what he's doing?

It seems to me the good teams in this league, are depending primarily on veteran players, the Steelers, Big Ben, Antonio Brown, DeCastro on the offensive line. You know, Breeze, if you look at Phillip Rivers and some of their veteran players, pouncy the center. When I look at Green Bay, it's Aaron, and man, do they need rookie Aaron Jones to play well? And this young receiver play well, and that rookie corner play well. It feels like it's Aaron, and there's a little bit of bad.

babysitting going on here. But for me, I like that. I want to see other players step up because your quarterback is getting older every single year. He's injured. He's clearly not 100%. Can we get some help in the building? They're getting help.

They're getting help. There's nothing wrong with that. Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, top of next hour, Greg Jennings is joining us. So I'm sitting there and I'm watching the Chicago Bears. And I don't even know if our guys have any tape of the Bears, because we're going to talk about different teams today. And I don't love the Bears' offensive personnel. I'm not a Trubisky guy. You don't like their personnel? You're going to tell me those running backs

are great. Matt Nagy is making those running backs. What? You like Robinson, the receiver? I do. I like, I like Robinson alongside of Gabriel, alongside of the tight end. They have a lot of pieces that they can throw at you. Are you sure they do? Absolutely. They have a lot of guys. No, they have a lot of pieces and then they have Matt Nagy who knows how to blend those pieces together.

Oh, yeah. I mean, I'm sorry, but when I watch Trubisky, when I watch these are guys. Now, when I watch the Kansas Chiefs, those are stars. Oh, my gosh. You don't Kareem Hunt, Travis Kelsey, Tyreek Hill. Sammy Watkins. Those are star. I get it.

I get it. You buy Chicago. I do buy Chicago because they're doing it and they don't have the stars. They have rope. When you watch the San Antonio Spurs, did you see a bunch of stars? You saw a lot of role players and Greg Popovich got it done, correct? That is who the bears are right now. I shouldn't say that that's who they are because San Antonio is special.

Yeah. But the bears have a lot of good. solid players, and they have the most important piece in Matt Nagy. You tell me, Tribisky is Matt, is Tim Duncan? No, not at all. I'm not saying that he's what you're saying. No, I did not say who was who. Kaleo Mac is to Tim Duncan. Tribisky is Manu at 37.

I mean, I don't know. I watched, here's what's interesting about the NFC. We came into this year, and our feeling was NFC is packed. I got Washington leading a division. I got Chicago leading a division. That should tell you something that last year we sat here and I watched the Bears play the Packers last year. And I watched their interior alignment.

They were solidified on both sides of the line interior-wise. Offensive line, defensive line. Their issue was quarterback skill positions on both sides. They've gotten that. They've had great play defensively in the secondary. they've had even better play offensively in their skill positions. What's wrong with this Bears team just being good? No, I mean, listen, I'll probably have in my top 10 tomorrow.

I'm not saying they're not good. I love their defensive front. But one of the things that's happened in football that you can't deny anymore, and it's just the way it is. The quarterback is still the most important piece. The second most important piece in football now is the play caller. Patrick Mahomes without Andy Reid is not this good. There's no way he's this good.

I'm not going to disagree with that and because the scoring in this league is just gone through the roof. Look at Andrew Luck now with Frank Reich. I'm glad you mentioned that because everybody, again, going back to Eagles, you have a Carson Wins

who had two years with Frank Wright and his quarterback coach. They're gone. They're gone. So that's another reason why the Eagles look. But yes, Andrew Luck with Frank Wright, it makes a difference. Sean Payton, Drew Brees. Yeah, I mean, it does feel like Nagy is doing about 65, 70% of the work with Trubisky.

And he should. And he should be because when you look at Patrick Mahomes and Mitchell Trubisky... Oh, come on. Not close. No, exactly. Skill level, completely separated by skill level. But where they can draw closer is the play caller. You got one guy who's been tutored by that guy, Andy Reed, Matt Nagy.

I look at the division leaders in the AFC. I get Andy Reed and the Chiefs. You can look at the chargers. I get the Steelers. I get the Patriots. The Houston Texans got stars everywhere. I look at the NFC. I got Washington.

I got Chicago. I'm like, it's a bunch of meh. So you think that the AFC teams are a lot more put together. Think about it. Colin was right. What Colin was wrong is next. I thought you didn't like icing. I got to go.

This is the Hurt Hour, too. you may be and however you may be listening live in Los Angeles, Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and right here, FS1. Joy Taylor is joining me where Colin is right, where Colin is wrong in five minutes from now. Great to have you in on a Monday, packed today.

Greg Jennings stopped by, Trent Dilfer, Tony Gonzalez, Chris Brousard in 15 minutes, Lakers won last night. So we got a lot of things going on. How are you, Joy? Doing great. Standards are a thing that you got to keep high standards. I have a lot of people in my family that were in the restaurant business, culinary business.

And you ever go to a restaurant for years and years you like it? And then the chef leaves. They don't pay them enough money. And the chef leaves. And you go to it a couple times, not quite as good. And then you go to it a couple more times. It's not quite as good. And then you stop going to the restaurant. Well, you lost

me as a customer. The restaurant, the day they lowered their standards and went cheap and didn't pay for the top chef is the day it was over. Not the year and a half later when you've lost 35% of your customer base, the more discerning eaters. Now, you lost it the day you decided to go cheap.

To me, the Dallas Cowboys are not going to be a relevant football team for the next 10 years because they've lowered their standards. They're excited about this morning. That's it. That you won against the depleted Philadelphia team. You won when the formula was perfect for Dak Prescott. Controlled the clock, six yards or rush, Zeeq ran the ball, your defense suffocated, Carson Wentz.

You've been to eight Super Bowls, you've won five. Stobach, Aikman, Jimmy Johnson, Landry, Parcells, Jason Garrett, you're fine with. It doesn't matter what you did last night. I live in Los Angeles. The same thing's happening here. USC football now is five and five, and there are people actually discussing whether or not to get rid of the coach and the staff. Are you kidding me?

You can't beat Cal at home? I mean, you've already lost your program. It's over. Once you decide to go cheap, once you are okay with average, you've lost. The rest of it's just, you know, it's just shrapnel. I mean, it just doesn't really matter. I mean, Dak Prescott is 20th in passer rating. This is, by the way, with a great back, with,

way above average offensive line and with a defense that's good enough to give you decent field position 20th passer rating 22nd completion percentage 28th in yards per game 25th in yards per attempt and tied for 22nd in touchdown passes with sam darnald who didn't play yesterday right now you're a 10 seed in the nfc and cowboy fans are celebrating where are the standards like this is the Dallas Cowboys. And because you won a game against the depleted team and the formula was perfect to win, you played with the lead,

your running backs were crushing, and Zieg was amazing, and you controlled the clock, and you played ahead. That's your standard. Well, it is Philadelphia. I told you, this is a division game. And it was a must win game for them.

But I'm hearing cowboy fans, like they're like popping corks today. No, there's no reason to celebrate. You should, you should, if you are a good football team, be able to go on the road and win a division game. Would, seriously, does Duke celebrate getting into the second round of the tournament? Does Alabama celebrate winning the citrus bowl? Well, it depends on how you define success.

Well, again, when your standards here and you let it slightly erode and slightly erode and slightly erode and the restaurant buys cheaper bread and doesn't get the freshest produce and the second-rate fish and all of a sudden you wake up and you're like a year and a half later, a third of your crowd is gone. Now you lost it the day. You made a decision and the owner of the restaurant were going to go cheap. Your standards were going to lower our standards.

That is largely, if you look at football in America, the difference between the haves and have-nots, standards. Brady Hoke did not accomplish enough to ever get the Michigan job. Jim Harbaugh, the day you hired him, you raised the standards of Michigan football. He had been to a Super Bowl. Brady Hoke had not proven he was worthy of a Michigan. The day you hired him, we're lowering our standards.

They hired Jim Harbaugh. We are now raising our standards. Like, I'm sorry, but that win for Dallas, you have not beaten a team with the winning record. You're four and five. Popping corks today? What happened to Dallas? All right, every Monday at this time,

where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, here we go. Where Colin was right? The Raiders haven't scored a touchdown in nine quarters. And they scored six points off a buy. Okay, 10 days to repair, six points. I never bought into John Gruden. I think he's a fantastic television analyst,

and I always thought he was a solid coach, not spectacular. He's had 12 quarterbacks in his career. One has popped, Rich Gannon. If I had 12 shows and one was decent, it's probably due to the guess I had, not to me. Why we keep giving Gruden all this love for inheriting Tony Dungey's defense and beating a team in the Super Bowl that he had coached and knew the playbook a year earlier, I don't get it.

This team's a mess. I keep hearing he's an offensive genius. Derek Carr has badly regressed. And the guys they drafted, offensive guys, I don't see stars. where Colin was wrong. My blazing five was trash. One win, three losses and a tie, and I was lucky to get to that. First of all, I deserve total scorn.

I picked Andy Dalton over Drew Breeze. Shame on me. I guaranteed Philadelphia would win. Shame on me. Now, I am 29, 19, and 2 on the year, so we have a very good record. It was our first losing week of the year. Thank God for Andrew Luck. And thank God for the Seattle Seahawks.

Russell Wilson played his butt off and kept it close, but a disgusting week of betting by me. Where Colin was right? Andrew Luck, for the first time in his career, has an offensive coach and has a good offensive line. And what do you know? He is tearing it up. Yesterday, the Colts, who don't have six guys who would start for the Jaguars outside a quarterback, beat Jacksonville. Andrew Luck, you've got to give Chris Ballard the GM. credit. He hired the right coach. He has rebuilt this offensive line in two years. He still has a below average receiving core. He still has below average running backs, and that defense is the

pass rush they did have in the first month has totally evaporated, but he does have protection up front. I do like their offensive line. That's a top 15, top 12 offensive line, and Luck is putting up massive numbers. For the first time in his career, Andrew Luck has two things. Health, And help. And I still contend they will make a wild card spot. Where Colin was wrong. Yeah, this Todd Bulls thing in New York, it is a dumpster fire. And I feel bad for these young, talented defensive coaches, Steve Wilkes and Todd Bulls.

They're like the flip phone of communication. No creativity, no juice, no energy. Listen, it looked like the Jets quit. Half the stadium emptied out. it's not Sam Darnold folks. The GM needs to go as well. They have no offensive talent. I've never seen a team.

They don't have an elite receiver. They don't have an elite back. They have a tight end who should be a two or a three on a team like the Colts. They just don't have any players. Now, they do have a great safety. Leonard Williams is good. Bowles has done a nice job in the defense event and special teams. But, you know, it just doesn't work.

When your stadium's emptying out, when your team quits, the game is so unfurial. to young defensive coaches. Matt Nagy, the game is built for him. Todd Bowles, the game is not built for him. You got to go get somebody to help Sam Donald. Or you'll become the Colts. You're going to waste three or four years with Andrew Locke and get him hurt.

Where Colin was right? According to the New York Times, the Houston Rockets are already 10 games into the year, bailing on Carmelo Anthony. I've never in my career been more right on a topic than Carmelow. I never bought into him. I don't think he's a good teammate.

I don't think he's coachable. He has a bizarre, delusional belief on what he is and what he really is. There's never a day I bought into him. Do you know what a grease fire you have to be to be 10 days into a deal in an organization like, we just got to get you out of the room.

They're now sitting him. They don't want to let him. He won't let him dress for game. This has been, I like Daryl Morey. I didn't like this move. Not many of us like this move. And Carmelo is what he's always been. Just not a good guy in the room.

And now his skills have regressed so badly. They don't even want him in the room. Where Colin was wrong. I said before the season, I thought the Big Ten was closing the gap on the SEC. I am wrong. The gap is still tremendous. Northwestern has already clinched the spot in the Big Ten championship game. Okay, Northwestern was winless out of conference.

They lost to Akron. They lost to Duke. Okay, they couldn't win a game out of conference. They played Notre Dame and got rolled. This team's going to be in the Big Ten championship game. I've watched Northwestern play a half dozen times. They have a great coaching staff. And I think one marginal NFL player.

I thought the gap was going to close. Ohio State's a mess. Michigan State can't throw the football. outside of Michigan's defense, which is really, really, really good this conference. I mean, I watched Big Ten football this weekend. I felt like I was in 1988.

Where Colin was right? I've said this now. Everybody's in on the celebrations for the NFL, and I know why they did it. I get it. They want the social media love. But yesterday, second quarter, close game, Tyreek Hill goes into the stands,

gets a penalty goofing off with the camera. players need to be coached. Give them an inch, they'll take a mile. I know everybody loves this. All the progressives on social media think this is so... That was great. Oh, it's great, except for it's the second quarter and got a penalty. And again, at the end of the game, it's fine.

You don't care. But ask Andy Reid what he thought about this. Players need to be coached. You got to let the fans have a little fun. It's hard to score touchdowns and two small done. 15-yard penalty because you can't, like a grown-up, Hand the ball. Go spike it.

It's okay to spike it. You got to admit that's creative. I think it's, I hate it. In the middle of the game, second quarter. Well, yeah, that's when you score touchdowns. This is in the middle of the game. Everybody, everybody on Twitter, oh, this is awesome. Never forget.

Twitter, Donald Trump wouldn't get a vote. Soccer's bigger than the NFL. The NBA is overtaking the NFL. Remember on Twitter, who's popular and who's really popular are two different things. I didn't take the Twitter over this, but I thought it was funny. I thought it was ridiculous. Where Colin was wrong. Mitch Trubisky in a game this year through six touchdown passes,

and yesterday through four, I don't get it. Everybody loves Sean McVe. Matt Nagy may be the greatest coach in the history of the league. I don't know how they're doing this. I mean, the league is, you're telling me the league is so offensive that Mitch Trubisky can light it up. You know, I mean, I got to give the kid credit. I just didn't see it.

I thought he was a, listen, he started one year in college. He couldn't win a job as junior year or college. I just didn't see it at all. I remember being in Hawaii with my family. I said, I'm going to stay in and watch Mitch Grabinski play, because everybody's telling me he could go number one. And I watched the game in college at Carolina. I'm like, I'm not sure he starts for half the ACC.

That's it. And he is lighting it up. Congrats to Mitch Trubisky. Where Colin was right? I told you, Sam Darnold's going to leave. USC and you're going to see what USC football is right now. They can't score. They can't win at home. They can't beat mediocre teams at home. They can't move the ball. They can't run. They can't throw. They're now five and five. And that's five and five in the PAC 12, which as a conference

isn't even in the same class right now as the Big 12, the Big 10, the SEC. Five and five in the Pact 12 is awful. This is a conference that didn't win a bowl game last year, did they? I mean, you can say what you want about Sam Darnold. When's the last time USC couldn't run the football and couldn't score? How about we start with never? They are a mess since Sam Darnold left. Where Colin was wrong.

Listen, in the last month, Baker Mayfield, nine touchdowns, two interceptions. And he's had the deal with some coaching chaos. You've got to give Baker Mayfield some credit. Listen, always said, if you give him the right components, you give him a running game, give him a little protection, he is an accurate thrower of the football. That's why I said, as much as he drives me crazy, he'll never be a bust.

Now, I think his ceiling is much more. Remember, Case Keenham won 13 games with the Vikings. When you give Case Keenham the perfect situation, a running game, good receivers. Case Keenham won 13 games. But I got to give Baker credit. He made a really nice play yesterday, scrambling out of the pocket and threw a dime down the field, deserves credit. And in the last month, he's gotten rid of, you know, he's gotten rid of some of the silliness and the nonsense.

Again, he's too cocky for me, not my cup of tea. I think things have to be aligned perfectly, and Atlanta's defense is trash, but he does deserve credit. Where Colin was right? Well, I said before the season in the NFL, bet the overs. Matt Barkley yesterday got a team into the 40s. Two teams this week scored in the 50s, Big Ben and the Steelers and Drew Breeze. The Bears, mostly with B&C players and Mitch Tribesky, are scoring 30 regularly. We've got five teams now.

Think about this, averaging 30 points. Five teams and four others really close. I really felt coming into the year that the NFL, by flipping the catch rule. Ask yourself this. How many times did you watch a play yesterday? And there was a nebulous catch and they allowed the catch. There was one in the Philadelphia game with Nelson Aguilar. The NFL has decided when in doubt, give them the catch. And that is not a little thing. That has resulted in a lot more touchdowns than field goals and extended drives and tired defenses. We said before the year, watch all these numbers in offense go through the

the roof with a catch rule being flipped. It has. I saw it yesterday six or seven times. There's anything that's in doubt now, just give him a catch. And for the record, I'm for it. Football is better with more offense, not less. Chris Broussard around the corner, well, well, well, LeBron and the Lakers have a winning record. Well, well, well, well, the rockets are imploding.

Well, well, well, Jimmy Butler to the Sixers. Can Philadelphia now win the East? What are the Celtics thinking this morning after that trade? Chris Broussard, joining us, Tony Gonzalez, Trent Dilfer. A lot of show left. Tomorrow, Wisconsin faces Xavier at 6.30 p.m. Eastern. Then Wednesday, reigning champs Villanova faced the Michigan Wolverines in a rematch of last year's national championship game at 6 p.m.

Eastern, the Gavitt's hip-hop game, sponsored by Jeep only on FS1 and the Fox Sports Act. By the way, Duke's best program in the country, Villa Villanova now second, Kentucky, third, Kansas fourth. Villanova has leapfrog Kentucky in terms of getting it done in March. They really have Jay Wright,

friend of the show, awesome. Chris Brouss are joining us. So it's an NFL Monday, but there are a couple of things here. There was a massive trade Saturday in the NBA. Jimmy Butler's now in Chicago not happy, goes to Minnesota,

not happy. Now goes to Philadelphia. And my takeaway is, listen, man, I understand moving around in the NBA. Jimmy Butler's now on his third team in a very short time. Is this the move we think is great for Philadelphia, or do we have potential fireworks shows here? That's a great point.

Look, Jimmy Butler is a tremendous player, both sides of the floor. But I'm not so sure Minnesota didn't win this trade. Okay, you got shooting. Covington is a very good two-way player. Defends, he's tough, spreads the floor because he can shoot the three. Sarich can shoot the three. and Carl Anthony Towns' game had declined.

There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. I don't know how big. I think the personal stuff was overblown with him and Butler. Not that there wasn't something there, but his play declined completely. So now he's going to be back. The pecking order is set, and I think they may be a better team. Philadelphia, on paper, it's fine. The problem is you have no shooting.

JJ Reddick's might really your only shooter. He needs to start. Fultz on the bench. Yeah, no, I mean, Fultz is a bust. Here's my whole thing about the process in Philadelphia. New Orleans, Noel, Okafore, Folt, Carter Williams. These guys are busts or massive underachievers. I love Simmons and Embed, but I hear they don't get along.

You don't have any shooting in a shooters league. The Lakers haven't missed on anybody in two years, but they don't have a cool nickname. This whole thing with Butler Simmons and MB to me feels like three egos. Well, that's a great point because I think there's two ways that. I'm skeptical. I hope it works because I love Embed and Simmons and I would like nothing more than

them to be playing relevant basketball in late May and June. But Butler wants to be the man. Okay? He's the third guy on that team. Now he can be the second leading score. Right.

Or I don't even care if he's the leading score if it's close with him and B. But the order is Embed and Simmons first and then Butler. Can he handle that? Number one. Number two,

in a lot of cases, Colin, we see it with Carmelo Anthony. Your game is your game. And Jimmy Butler is relatively ball dominant. He's a decent three-point shooter, but he's not a three, you know, really a three-point shooter. So the floor is not going to be spread. How, I just don't know if I see the fit. I don't mind Philly doing it. And if I'm Philly, here's my, this is what I'm doing.

I watch it. Right. I sit back and I watch this. If it's clearly not working, I make. trade Butler in February. Okay? Or I play it out and see, but I just sit back and watch the experiment to

see how it works. But my keepers are Embed and Simmons, and then I'll see how it works with Butler. Okay, so Kowai Leonard goes to a good team out east. And then Jimmy Butler, good player, goes to a team out east. The east is way better. And you know what I think

when I wake up? Outside of Golden State, that number two spot in the West, It's wide open, Chris. Houston's a mess. OKC's dysfunctional. Who knows what Minnesota is? New Orleans has one guy he'll eventually leave.

Portland's got limitations. I look at Golden State. Granted. Everybody keeps telling me, LeBron, there is no way. Kauai, out of the west. Jimmy, out of the west. I agree. Look, the second and third best teams in the league are Toronto and Milwaukee.

Okay. And if I'm Magic Johnson or LeBron James, I am thinking we should be the second best team in the West. Golden State, okay, they are what they are. We can be better than anybody else in the West. That's what they should be thinking. And that's why the pressure was put on Luke Walton. And to Luke's credit, they've turned it around, looked pretty good.

But look, look at all the teams. Like you said, Portland's got their warts. Denver doesn't have a real superstar. Yolkich is great, but he's tentative he doesn't take over. Utah is what it is, New Orleans. You mentioned it. None of them have LeBron James, and LeBron has talent around him.

They just have to figure out the best way to do it, and I think the best way, like last night you saw them in the game, LeBron, Josh Hart, Kuzma, Ingram, and Tyson Chandler. That's their lineup. Well, sometimes it's going to be like, my point is this. The days of getting upset that Lanzo didn't play in the fourth, they're over. Okay? Lonzo is not a part of the nucleus.

He could be, the nucleus is open. You got LeBron and then the other two spots in the nucleus are open. Fight for it. If Lonzo earns it, great. If he does it, fine. We're moving on because it's not about developing Lonzo anymore. It's about Lonzo needs to earn a spot. If he's going to be a star, then be a star.

But if not, we'll go with the other guys. You know, some nights it'll be Rondo finishing the game. Some nights it'll be Lanzo, some nights it'll be neither because they had a point guard on the floor. He was named LeBron James. You always say this. Your game is your game. I heard this from you when he was entering the team,

and I thought a lot about it. It was, hey, LeBron's going to go to L.A. and have to play off the ball. But your game is your game. And here's what the funny thing about LeBron. In LeBron's career, this happens twice a year, every year. Even now, he loses confidence in his jumper. and what LeBron does to get it back is, give me the ball.

Let me go to the basket, score, get my confidence up, and slowly, and it happens every year. Sometimes it's happened in the middle of a series. Well, and you know what else. You're right, and you're right. Your game is your game. People around him were telling me he wants to play off the ball. He'll play off the ball.

Okay. But like you said, your game is your game. And here's the thing. LeBron don't really know how to play off the ball. I mean, honestly, that's the way he came up and the way he played. When he's off the ball, it's every blue. moon he's on the block. Every blue moon he's on the elbow. Mostly when he's off the ball, he's standing on the wing, just watching. You know, not even being a decoy. That was the way

it was in Cleveland. LeBron don't know how to play off the ball. That's okay. Yeah, it's okay. You know, but look, I wouldn't be mad if you just made him the point guard, period, but he never, he doesn't want to do that. But I, some parts of me wishes he would. Should Miller retire? Yes. Thank you. He should return. Because, and, And Mello needs to understand this. There is no shame in falling off in your 15th and 16th season. All right. Most guys, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird didn't even play 15th and 16th season.

Michael Jordan's 15th season was in Washington where he wasn't making the playoffs. Like, you look at that draft class. The only player that's still great or relevant is LeBron. That's it. Wade is not relevant. Bosch is retired. Kyle Corvarez, Kyle Corvette. Nick Collison just retired.

David West just retired. Time to retire. Retire. Otherwise, there are people, he's beginning. Look, he's going to be a first ballot Hall of Fame in my book. But it's getting stained. A little, like, Iverson went out badly like this. Iverson did not stain his legacy because he was iconic.

Mello's great, Hall of Fame. He's not iconic. He's not iconic. He's not like Iverson. No. And so go out now before you keep. Keep going from team to team, and people start remembering you like this rather than the great player you were. All right.

His name is Chris Broussard. He and Rob Parker weekday, 7 to 10, Eastern PM on Fox Sports Radio and IHeart Radio. Great seeing you on a Monday. Great being here, man. All right, joy with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Big win for the Cowboys yesterday.

I mean, seriously, I listen to everybody. Skips going crazy. What did Shannon say? Was he going crazy? I mean, look, you got to celebrate the wins. They're hard to come by these days, you know? They beat the defending champion Eagles. They did. Division rival.

Yeah. Keep their playoff hopes alive. Certainly. And to go along with this Echio Elliott's big game, 151 yards on touchdown, Zach Prescott passed for 270 yards, touchdown, and no interceptions. That's right. And after the game, Dak was more looking towards the future rather than dwelling on this game. Yeah, we just got to use this as momentum and continue to grow.

This is a winning team, and this is great when you go on the road and win its first time doing that this year. So it's important for us just to feel that and feel that energy in the locker room and to make sure we don't forget that. Their next game is at Atlanta. No, again, he will have another very good game. Atlanta's defense is just, again, on crutches. It's done. It's over. There's nothing they can do about it. So DAC will play very well.

But it's, you know, again, I'll go back to his hand again. And it's when Dax got everything lined up and he plays with the lead and the running game's rolling, he can be a very efficient quarterback. We really want to see Dack do something amazing, something Rogers, something Brady-like under pressure coming from behind. Everything not being in place is what you're saying. But I do understand what Dack is saying also. What did I say before? Every journey begins with the first step, right? So you do have to hold on to this winning momentum.

They have an opportunity to go to Atlanta and get another win. They're 4 and 5. They're not out of it. So while overall, there's not so much optimism surrounding Dak Prescott, this is the year. And now you're in the position to prove everyone wrong. So we'll see. All right. So odds makers are expecting fireworks next week in Mexico City, where the Kansas City Chiefs and the L.A.

Rams will meet on Monday night at Estadio, L.A. And the Superbook at Westgate, Las Vegas, on Sunday, opened the Chiefs game at the over-under of 64. Yeah. Which, if it holds, would be the highest since 9th. 1886. The Chiefs and Rams are both 9 and 1. The Chiefs are second in scoring, in the NFL in scoring, averaging 35.3 points per game, and the Rams are averaging 33.5 points per game, and the Rams are currently a two and a half point favorite. I like Kansas City in that game. You know, it's funny, when you live in a city, and I watch, you know, I watch parts of every game, and I watch

Yesterday I watched like four games in their entirety, and then the rest of the games, you watch a lot of the game, five games because I watched Steelers Carolina. I have watched every Rams game, and Tony Romo said this yesterday, and he was right. The brilliance to the Rams is their simplicity. They run about, you know, they've got seven plays, and they run them out of 30 sets, and they all look the same, and they're just terrific at this. But I got to tell you, it does feel like Cooper Cups now out for the year, a very valuable, receiver. And it does feel like the league is, there are some limit. I like Robert Woods, but he's

not as gifted. Like their tight ends is not as good as Kansas City. They don't have anybody that runs like Cheetah. Patrick Mahomes is the golden arm, Tyreek Hill. So like when I look at Kansas City, I see superstar players, Travis Kelsey, Kareem Hunt. You just can't. With the Rams, I see a lot of Todd Gurley. McBay is very smart. But it feels like the league is at least aware of a lot of what they, Seattle had a chance to win that game yesterday. Seattle played the Rams. They played them both times. Yeah, they played them hard both times. Both times. But you can't write Seattle off either. I think a difference is the chiefs have the, the flare and over-the-top excitement and just the energy and the Rams are just consistent.

The Rams are a very, you think the Rams are flashy. They're a power running. No, they're not, they're really not flashy. Kansas City is frighteningly, like when I look at Pittsburgh in Kansas City and New Orleans, sometimes I'm like, oh, God. You just have to be able to, you really have to score more than that because the Rams are going to give up, I mean, the Chiefs are going to give up points because their defense is still shaky. But the one thing to watch out for in this game, though, is interesting, is that the elevation at Estadio Estesda is very high.

It's 7,280 feet. That's 2,000 feet higher above sea level than Denver Stadium. By the way, do you know where the Rams are training this week? Denver. Smart. Yeah, the Rams. And it's 2,000 feet higher than there. Yeah, so the Rams have gone.

And if you've ever gone to Denver, by the way, I remember being in Lake Tahoe a few years ago, and I walked upstairs, and I was gassed. So the Rams have gone. I'm not sure where Kansas City is training. Maybe they're in Denver, too. Both teams requested to play the Broncos this week before they had to go to Mexico, and the league denied them both.

I know the Rams are training in Denver this week. Yeah, I don't know. Kansas City might be there as well. well and that's smart because that elevation is going to definitely play a factor. Finally, several players and members of the Rockets coaching staff believe that Carmelo Anthony has played his final game for the franchise. It's expected to end after he played only 10 games, averaging 13.4.4 points, 5.4 rebounds and shooting 40% from the floor. He's been away from the team for two games, which is what has been described as an illness. And some say he didn't join the

Rockets on their trip to Denver. I mean... It's over. Here's the interesting thing about Carmelo. And I feel like the Rockets... Look, they couldn't pay Eriza. That was a huge loss for them. I feel like the Rockets just didn't...

They just put a piece there to replace Mbamute and Arisa. And it wasn't the right piece that they needed. Yeah. And Carmelo is going to get a lot of pushback, basically, what happened with OKC, because everyone was landing in there. and now he's with the rockets, and just like you said, you think you should retire. I think if they do end up letting him go, the Spurs would be an interesting landing place for him. Can we just say this?

15th year, he's never been in great shape. He's never been a grinder in the wait room. He's never, it's over. But hear me out. He goes to the Spurs, right? The Spurs are an organization that can pretty much utilize anyone because instead of trying to change what the player is, they use the player what they're best at. Carmelos still has some left. It's just not with the Rockets.

Every team doesn't need every star. Everything doesn't work there. The Rockets are, what were they last year? Okay. Hear me out. You're trying to force Carmelo into a situation that doesn't work for him. I have a source inside the NBA that said LeBron or that Carmelo basically gives you about one night a week.

Won't practice. Well, if you're back up four, then that's all you really need. Not worth my time. He's over. What happens if Lamarcus Alder's something happens to Lamarca's soldiers? They already don't have DeJonte Murray. They're not beating Golden State anyway. So just give up?

Well, I mean, I just, I mean, Carmelo's story, it's like it's cute, it's over. I mean, he's a marginal player. He's bad for the room. He literally gives you about a game a week. And then the rest of the time, he's into his businesses, he's into his stuff, he's into his friends, he's into his guys. It's just over. It's just, you know what I mean?

It's like, it's okay. It's like it's just over. I don't think it's over for him. I don't think he's going to retire. And I think that the spurs would be an interesting landing place for him if they let him go. All right, joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Herd Lie News. An interesting stat about Aaron Rogers. I know everybody fawns over. Every Monday, everybody fawns over Aaron Rogers. Like, that's just the way it works except us, except me. But there's an interesting stat about Aaron Rogers that tells you he needs a lot more help than everybody thinks. It's a real number. And I was surprised when I saw it this morning.

That's next in L.A. It's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Here's an amazing stat. Tony Gonzalez joining me. Going to be a first ballot Hall of Fame, dude. Second most catch is NFL history. Here's an amazing stat. We mostly think, you know, just give Drew Breeze, Aaron Rogers, Brady, throw it 50 times.

You're great. Amazing stat. Green Bay is 42 and 11 when Aaron Rogers throws fewer than 30 times. They're 56 and 41 when they ask Aaron to throw over 30, meaning coaching matters. even Aaron Rogers needs running game support. Like he's got Aaron Jones now. I'm like, oh,

now Aaron Jones is just as valuable as Aaron Rogers in that offense. Yeah, yeah, but they're going to say we need someone like Aaron Jones, and we haven't had that. So we can't run the ball, so we've got to throw the football, yada, yada. But I think it goes back to coaching.

I think never more have I ever seen the NFL cross the board how important coaching is. Coaching has really popped this year and really made teams great this year. And I think you look around the league, the teams that are innovative and creative and doing the reverses. You look at Atlanta. You look at Kansas City. You look at the Saints who's been doing that for years.

And then the teams that don't do that, I think Jason Garrett down there with the Cowboys, it's just boring football. I think those teams, you can't win like that, especially where the rules are set up this year. And coaching has become more important than ever for these teams to have success. You know, Philadelphia is not the same team. Some of it is injuries, but you have a line. You always say ego has no. Amigo. Meaning, and that's difficult in football because when you win, what happens?

Well, you have success. Any type of success. I don't care. When you're winning, when you're doing well, your show, whatever it is, like people, you know, when you fail, that's when you start to look yourself in the mirror and you say, okay, we got to do better. We got to go get it. But when you win, Michael Strahan had a great line. He said that when people win the Super Bowl, the next year they come back,

they think the reason they won the Super Bowl is because of me. And you see guys change. You see that, you know, they go from driving that Jeep to driving that nice Ferrari now. They got the Mercedes. They go from wearing the Versace, Vasachi, Vasachi, you know, and the hats and the designer hats and success is tough. It really, really is because it makes you lazy. It makes you say, you know what, I'm going to go out to got people telling me how great I am now.

And I don't have to work as hard. I've already shown I can do it. You just lose that hunger. that drive. Football does not become it's not the most important thing in your life anymore. It's what football gave you now that you become attracted to, which is a tough road to get down.

What did you make of Dallas's win last night? I thought they look better. You can't lie and say they don't look better. I think offensively, Amari Cooper is really, really going to help them. But to me, it's still the Cowboys. I'm not going to say they're a great football team after one game. I still

think Dak has to prove that he can put back to back to back games together if you're going to pay him that $25 million check a year. But bottom line is to me they were good last night because they ran the ball. Yeah, get the ball to that guy. Zico Elliott is so good. I mean, when he's going, he

arguably, he's the best running back in the league. Six yards of carry last night. Yeah, he's a beast. He's a beast. Feed him the ball. That's where this offense should go. And then you can, because that's where that offense used to be. It was that dink and don't dunk with Des, with Beasley. Jason Whitten's security. Jason Whitten.

They don't have that anymore. Those guys don't exist in that offense and it's not creative either it's not a terribly creative offense i don't think so you know i just i think you really hit it uh coaching is popped in the nfl it's just popped it used to be important now it's everything though basically it's like having an accountant and all the tax laws changed and the tax laws now are all about right-offs well you better have an accountant that understands all the right-offs yeah because the nfls now is not allowing you to be great defensively the catch rule how many catches that I see yesterday that were borderline and they just gave them. A year ago, all those are taken away.

Now it's just give the offense to the yard. Nelson Aguilar late for Philadelphia. Looks like it hits the great. I just did. There was a time. Okay, so I got to show something. Yesterday, you guys went out to Fort Benning, Georgia for Veterans Day celebration. And you told me you were kind of nervous about it.

This is, this footage is going to be great. hold on, don't run it yet, that you told me that you were very nervous, but you thought you would jump out of an airplane with military personnel this week. Yes, yes. Okay. You did. I did. Okay.

So before we get to the video, don't roll the video yet, were you nervous? Yeah. Nervous. Scared? You were scared? Absolutely. Scared. Heart was pounding, and it got worse.

What do you mean? The higher we kept going up. And you do know, they give you all that training before you jump out. Right. And then they get up there. and then you're going, we're at 13,500 feet. And then I'm the first one out the plane. Oh, you are?

Yeah. I went before Chris, before Spone, our producer's spoon. And they open up the window and you look out the window and you're like, oh, my God, this is real. This is about to happen. I'm about to jump out of a plane. All right. Let's show the videotape and talk over it. So this is, you know, we're walking out to the plane about to go up.

And the nerves that's going on in your mind right. I see, I'm a little nervous. But when you jump, though, the way I decided to do this, and it reminded me of football, I could tie this back in with football, is I made a choice. I was like, I can be scared all the way down, or as soon as I jump, there's only two scenarios now that are going to happen. I'm either going to die or I'm going to live. There's the only two things that can happen.

So I said, I'm going to live, I'm going to be fearless, and I'm going to enjoy, I enjoyed every second. The hardest part was jumping out the plane. But once that happened, that free fall for 46 seconds going 145 miles per hour. What does it feel like? What does it feel like? Oh, it's the best thing you've ever done in your life. The first 10 seconds.

The first 10 seconds, that is the most nervous. Your heart is going. But as soon as I let go and said, I'm going to enjoy this, it was the best thing. I highly encourage you. Like I said, it reminds me of football when you decide to finally go over the middle without being afraid. When you decide to block somebody or if you're a lineback or take on that fullback coming, It's just that it's that, ah, I got this and I can do this. I got down to the ground.

I felt like break dancing. I mean, it was such a good feeling. Yeah, Krista did it too. And she did awesome. It was. No, I wouldn't do it. You've got to do it. Why wouldn't you do this?

It's a hard pass for me also. Why wouldn't you guys do this? If I just told you the feeling. I've got through enough in my life, I don't need more thrills. Well, first of all, Tony, I think you summed up why I wouldn't do it. Joy, did you hear him say, there's two options. One of them is death. Right.

That kind of sums up why I. I wouldn't do it, Tony. Right, which is my point. I mean, there is a third option where, you know, you land funny and, you know, you break both your legs. Well, I mean, that's a good option, too. Well, you taste death, live life. That's a good model to go by. Go through your fears, calling, you can do it.

When I eat pizza, I'll like it or I'll throw it in the garbage. There's no death as an option. I want to taste pizza. You want to taste pizza. You know, but you are, you're boring. I'm not boring. Yeah, you are. You're boring.

You got to get out there. You got to go after the things that make you scared. You take off. It was the best. I would do it again. Snakes make me scared. You want me jumping a snake pit? If you want to live,

can you know, stay comfortable. And behind that microphone and air-conditioned room. Do it. The herd. Hour three, here we go. This is the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening live in Los Angeles, IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio and FS-Wan.

We wish good luck and safety to the firefighters of Southern California who are putting in incredible efforts, the fires raging in Southern California, and also a Veterans Day to all the military personnel and the veterans in America. Thank you for your service. We will be eternally indebted for you and to you. And tonight's Monday Night Football, it's going to be a stinker. I think it's, isn't it tonight? Niners and Giants.

Okay, that's not going to be great. I've watched so much good football in the last five months. I mean, four months. We've had such good football in September, such good October. Here we are in November. How many months that is? I mean, there's just not really big implications for this game. Number one picking the draft is about it.

I mean, it's, I actually, it's funny because I really like where San Francisco is going. They just don't have a quarterback. I don't like where the Giants are going, and they don't have one either. they're just not going to admit it yet. That's the big difference for Monday Night Football. Coming up in 15 minutes in studio, love this. Trent Dilfer is so good on our show. He'll be joining us in 15 minutes.

But first, I mean, we got to start with this, right? It was the big game, got huge numbers. Cowboys beat the Eagles on Sunday night football, but I'm still not convinced. I noticed this very early when my son was six, seven years old. And you give him like a Snickers bar, and I saw the sugar high. and he'd just be running around the house going a thousand miles an hour, and I'm chasing him, and he's breaking stuff and breaking glasses, breaking faces, and so there was no more Snickers.

And then, after about an hour of that, he would have a crash. And he would be in a bad mood, and he'd be feisty. He would be six or seven years old. And he'd be crying. And I'm like, we've got to get sugar out of the house. This morning, Dallas Cowboys, Jerry Jones, were on a sugar high, and it always ends with a crash. Last night's a disaster for the Cowboys.

Yes, when they're a lot of the Cowboys. have a lead. Yes, when Zeke is running wild. Yes, when they play a depleted defense. Yes, they look pretty good. Dak fools you. Rush for over 170 yards. Average over six yards a rush. Had the ball for 33 minutes. Yes, Dak. Dak can look really good when he's got the formula. Never forget Tim Tebow won six straight. Great defense, great running game, great kicker, score in the teens. There are formulas. Average quarterbacks who you don't want to pay a lot

need a formula to win. Dak needs Zeke to run wild. He needs the offense to be controlling the clock. He needs second and four, third and one for the play action to work. He needs to play with the lead. The weather has to be better than average or at least not chaotic. And he's got to have his defense playing well

so he doesn't get in a shootout. Yes, that's when Dak. can win. That's how Tebow won six straight games, how Mark Sanchez got to the AFC championship. Twice. But franchise quarterbacks that you want to pay $150 million don't need a

formula. They just need the ball and a little help. Okay, because you're going to get in shootouts in this league. If you got DAC for the next five years, Steelers, Patriots, Rams, Chiefs, Chargers, you're watching those teams this

year. The rules are all going offense. All of them. And I love Dallas's front seven defensively. I love their players. They're really, really good. But those players, the Bears players, all the great defenses in the league can't stop anybody now. Once you face a great quarterback, right now Dallas is on a sugar high because the formula was perfect. It's amazing how often I understand fans getting fooled. But is Jerry Jones being fooled by this? I mean, Andy Dalton, when he had the defense, when he had all the good receivers. He won a bunch of games, won a division. Baker Mayfield yesterday, only through 20 times, played with a lead, played a bad defense, had a great running support.

Yes, a lot of guys in this league can win, win the formula is perfect. Carson Wentz last night didn't have a pro-bowl right tackle. Smallwood's, their best running back. Jordan Matthews is a go-to receiver. He just got cut by the Patriots and their defensive secondaries a nightmare. so he's playing from behind the whole game, and the Cowboys linebackers are much better athletes than the running backs behind him. That's what a franchise quarterback looks like. Carson Wentz last night playing from behind with a beat-up defense, not getting support from his own line.

That's what a franchise quarterback looks like, even though he lost. The sugar high is always followed by a crash. It's always followed by a crash. And the gap last night between Wentz and Dak is huge. Give Dak playing from behind. Give Dak smallwood. Give Dak Jordan Matthews. Give Dak a secondary-like Phillies.

If you go to Dak Prescott's career, he's had about 10, like, nights or afternoons. We've gone, wow, franchise guy. And all 10, it's been the same formula. It's not shootouts. No, it's Zeke is controlling the clock. Zeke's running for 125 yards. second and four, third and one. Go look at his great games.

Look at his great passer ratings. Zeeks having a game. Zeke's controlling the clock. The play action pass works. But all last night really did if you're a cowboy fan? All it did is guarantee that Jerry Jones flew back to Dallas on his private jet with Stephen Jones and the whole family. And he was telling everybody, oh, I told you, Dax the guy, just out-duled Carson Wentz. went to Philadelphia, beat a rival.

Dak Prescott's our guy. Nah, he needs a formula. Last night, the formula was perfect. Carson Wentz was the only quarterback on that field you want to spend over $100 million on. Let me shift gears to this. Now, I did say on Friday, I don't do this very much. And there are micro-topics on this show. small ones and macro topics, big one.

I would call micro topics predicting games. Macro topics, how does it affect the season and the franchise? I predicted on Friday, eagle blowout. On a micro level, I was wrong. But on a macro level, I told you after the Super Bowl with Philadelphia, they're going to come back. And I see this time and time again. I call it the lottery winner syndrome in sports.

When people who are not used to wealth, not used to celebrity, not used to having an unending stream of parades in cash, get it, they don't know what to do with it. Jacksonville, Atlanta Falcons, Carolina Panthers, Philadelphia Eagles, they're not used to getting to Super Bowls. They're not used to getting to Super Bowls, and they're not used to winning Super Bowls. And once they win Super Bowls, they're flexing.

They're flexing on social media. They're writing books. They're getting endorsements. They're getting shoe deals. And Philadelphia off a buy. That was it. You saw it last night. And since you're not used to winning Philadelphia, this is how it works.

You're now 21st in the NFL in points with Carson Wentz. Here's how it works. You win a Super Bowl or get to a Super Bowl and you lose a couple of really good assistance and a couple of maybe coordinators. Oh, yeah, ask New England, they have. And then you lose a couple of players. Somebody overpays for your Super Bowl players. And then you have a first place schedule, and you become a target, and you kind of lose your edge.

Players don't work out quite as hard in the offseason. And what you get is this. Four and five headed to the Superdome to take on the Saints. Good luck with that. When cities and franchises that aren't used to winning big, suddenly win big, it's the lottery syndrome. Oh, crap. Do I buy four homes or five? Do I buy another sports car?

A third boat. More skis. Jet skis. And then you wake up one morning and you're like, ooh, I blew it. New England, Pittsburgh, Green Bay. They're used to winning. Andy Reid wins every year. year, Drew Breeze.

You just don't see the roller coasters with those teams and those players. Last night, I thought I was wrong on a micro level. I thought Philly off a bye. Here we go. Nah, here we go. All right, coming up next, a lot of show. A lot of show. Trent Dilfer in studio.

We don't get lucky very often and get that. He'll just give us 15 minutes of an NFL meat sandwich on all the stuff he saw yesterday. There was a separation from the, from the good teams and the really good teams yesterday. It started on Thursday with Pittsburgh and Carolina. Two good teams. One went, nah, no, no, we're going to separate here. And we saw it a little bit yesterday. That's coming up. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. When shopping for car insurance, consider Geico been saving people money for 75 years.

Geico.com. My buddy played a decade and a half. Super Bowl, Pro Bowl. Trent Dilfer is joining us. We don't get them in studio much. I want to mention this because you lived in California for a long time. I do now. We're based in California. If you'll want to, the wildfires out here have been daunting the time. We have so many Americans that risk their lives for others. It is incredible to watch the footage out here. We know for years with Veterans Week, and we've always had military members who put their lives in the line. California firefighters, if you like to help out red cross.org, call 1,800 Red Cross.

Or you could text the word CA wildfires to $99-99-99-9-9-9-10 donation. I want to start Trent Dilfer with that. The Rams, many of the players, were displaced because it was in Thousand Oaks, which is north of here. I mean, I don't know. I've never gone through a day of that. like that in my life, what did you make of their performance considering that? I think if you put this in the scope of the Super Bowl, teams that can win the Super Bowl,

what happened yesterday with the Rams to me was the most significant event of the weekend. And here's why. Because every Super Bowl team, you go back and talk to their coaches and players, they'll tell you less about the Willys and Joe's X's and O's more about some soulful moment. Yeah. Some moment in their season that defined who they were, what they believed in. the team chemistry, getting through something hard. Like they surprise themselves.

I think most championship teams in any sport will tell you there's one defining moment. To me, that defining moment was this week for the Rams. When they win the Super Bowl, and that's how confident I am on what happened this weekend, they'll point back to this week. Because what happened in Southern California last week, especially in Thousand Oaks, was devastating. It affected not just them, but their families and their communities,

they wake up and find out about the mass shooting at the borderline. And that affects them. These guys aren't pre-programmed robots for your viewing enjoyment. I think sometimes then of a fan goes, oh, they're just robots. There's great athletes. They go out there and they throw touchdowns and catch touchdowns and block people and tackle people for us. Right.

They're human beings. Right. They have young girlfriends. You have young wives. They have children. Those wives go to things out in the community like every other wife. And they know these people and they're affected by that. And then now you're waking up at two in the morning, so you have to leave your home.

We got to leave your home and all the stuff that's there. All that stuff you're attached to. That's years and years of stuff. That you're building a legacy as a young family. And now you're leaving. Andrew Withworth is leaving with his four kids. Personnel in the department are going to one hotel. Then have to evacuate that hotel and go to an ex.

Everybody should read Peter King's article this morning. He tells a really nice story. about that. So it's big stuff. Oh, by the way, we have to go play the Seattle Seahawks. We have a job to do. And their ability from the top down, this is the ownership, president, director of operations, head coach, everybody involved to handle the chaos that was their life this week and to be able to handle it right and be human beings and then go and play the type of football they played Sunday. That shows tremendous character. It shows that they

can compartmentalize, that they can focus, that they can trust one another. And I guarantee you they got in that locker room afterwards and they looked around and went wow. What a week. We just pulled that off. With what we went through this week. To me,

we will, when they win the Super Bowl, they will look back at this week and say we were good. We were a good team. We have good players and good coaches. But that made us great because we touched into something internally as a football team that we didn't even know we had. Yeah. Well, I mean, Drew Brees, Saints Katrina.

Yes. You go back and talk to the team and they're like, in the moment it's catastrophic. But it was so galvanizing. People don't understand. Thousand Oaks is not a huge community. They had a shooting and forest fires in a two-day period. and it all in one small, and that's where the Rams are, and that's where their families are.

You know, it's interesting about the NFL. I'm a fan of Andrew Luck. There's quarterbacks that I like a lot. You know, everybody knows I like Brady, Russell Wilson. I'm a breeze guy, Andrew Luck. You're an elitist. We've said this for years. We used to argue about this at the other place.

You're an elitist, and that's okay. Yeah, I like Stanford guys. So I couldn't qualify to get in, but I like those. I hang out with smart people. I mean, I'm smart. I watched Andrew Luck, and it makes me smile. It makes me smile. They finally got him help.

He finally has an offensive coach. He finally has an offensive. By the way, the defense is not great. They're going to have to draft a bunch of players. But I'm watching him, and I'm like, okay, just get the kid help. And I watched them, and I still think they're going to backdoor their way into the playoffs. They're probably not good enough. I mean, their roster isn't.

What do you make of the transformation? He's got a new GM. He's got a new coach. He's got to go a line. What do you make of Andrew Luck? Must see TV if you love offensive football, if you love great quarterback play, and if you love offensive line play.

And I never thought I'd say that with the Annapolis Colts. The guard, Clinton Nelson. Oh, my God. I played with one of the greatest guards in NFL history in Steve Hutchinson and Seattle. He literally, Steve would mall people and we'd rewind the film over and over and over. I guarantee you if we put Steve in this chair, he'd say,

I didn't do that. What this kid is doing to people? The Notre Dame kid. The Notre Dame kid, the level of physicality that he plays with, and athleticism, an explosion. It's like a skill position player, 330 pounds, just wrecking people.

And they've also, the center's a really good player. They've done a nice job on the offensive line. Andrew's brilliant. I said he was the greatest prospect to come out, since John Elway. I still believe that. I mean, there's nothing he doesn't do on a scale of 1 to 10.

He was like a 7-5 or above on everything you looked at. He's phenomenal, and now we're getting to see it. And I think we can have this conversation about the Colts and then segue seamlessly into the Eagles conversation because of Frank Reich. So this is interesting. I think Frank Reich is the secret sauce that saw it all and said, all we got to do is this and that and this. And we'll get this dude, Andrew Luck, playing like Brick.

playing like Brady and Breeze and Rogers. So do you believe Frank Reich's departure is part of Carson Wentz's struggle? Absolutely it is. And John DiFilippo, too, is gone as well. Trent, I'm watching this game last night. In Philadelphia just Wince is as talented as he's ever been. They're just not there. You know, don't ask me.

I was a journeyman. I'm average at best. Go ask Tom Brady and Aaron Rogers and Drew Breeze. Ask Drew Breeze if he did be Drew Breeze without Sean Payton. He'd be the first to tell you. Hell no. Tom Brady without Billy O'Brien and Josh McDaniels, no way. Aaron Rogers is out watching Favre than being part of that West Coast and McCarthy offense in its early stages. No way. You are a system quarterback. Now, the greats

were going to be really good no matter what. Right. They become great because of the mentorship, the system. Steve Young says it better than me about Bill Walsh. Steve Young wasn't going to be Steve Young, he'll be the first to tell you, unless it was for Bill Walsh. Joe Montana would have been Joe Montana. John Elway could have been the greatest in the history if he had Shanahan earlier. But look at it. He was, John Elway was kind of a butcher, just the best athlete on the field until he got Shanahan. Yeah. That made him a surgeon. Yes. It goes on and on and on. Frank Reich is one of those outlier coaches. He's one of the very, very, very best. And he leaves, and they're kind of mediocre right now in Philly.

Oh, who's all of a sudden gone from can't protect their quarterback? Quarterbacks hurt all the time. They can't run the football. You know, a bunch of bad stuff was going on in Annapolis. Not a bunch of good stuff's going on. It's not that hard to connect the dots. You talk to really good football people, really good. Not the scout that's got a big mouth who wants to call and get his voice out there.

The really good football people, the people have been there 30, 40 years doing it well. They will all tell you, Frank Reich, and they knew it. When he jump back into coaching, he's going to be a rock star. Trent Dilfer is joining us, decade and a half in the NFL, Super Bowl, Pro Bowl. You know, Baker Mayfield is one of these things where I put my name on Darnold. And I've said Baker does too much, you know, a little bit too much ego and nonsense for me. But I said he'd never be a bust because he's just too accurate a thrower. You cannot bust in this league if you can throw darts.

All you need is a little bit of protection. So yesterday he had the perfect situation. Atlanta didn't play a lot of defense, not a lot of pressure. running game was tremendous. The one thing I'll say about Baker is in this whole John Dorsey Cleveland thing. I wouldn't have drafted Denzel Ward. I'd have gone with Bradley Chubb. Denzel Ward's been a home run.

Very good player. Duke Johnson and Nick Chubb second round, great young running back. I've got to be honest with you. Now, I do think Baker has better components than the other rookie quarterbacks. But I watch Cleveland right now and through. chaos. I thought Baker yesterday, that game was built for Baker. So I'll give you the macro first.

Get me if I'm running out of time here. No. No. The quarterback position is changed. I've written about this in the athletic. I've talked about this a bunch for the last month, I mean last year or so. The position in general is transitioning. Forever it was about stature,

power, arm strength. Big, athletic, big arm. That was the model. Right. As his field widened, as Saturday offense started taking over Sunday, the game has transitioning more to precision in Twitch. Not just twitchy body, twitchy mind. Quick.

Although these quarterbacks don't digest as much information, say that Peyton Manning did back in the heyday, there's not as much volume, the processing speed of all has sped up with tempo changing. Yeah, no huddles. You've got to go fast. So you have to have a twitchy mind. You have to have twitchy eyes because finally coordinators have discovered what Bill Walsh discovered years ago that you've got to let quarterbacks read the entire field, even when they're young. You've got to force them to read sideline to sideline. If you're just picking off half the field and saying either or you're limited and your quarterback doesn't develop.

So now you have to have twitchy eyes. The ball is coming out quicker, so you have more twitch in your body, the ability to get it out quick. And then it comes down to precision. Kind of sounds like Baker Mayfield, doesn't it? And that's why I could buy a six-footer last year going to this. And I was a Darnold guy, too. I still put my name on Donald as the number one guy in the draft. But my analogy I used last year was ice cream.

We all like ice cream. Ice cream's awesome. Yes. But we like different flavors. That quarterback classed last year was ice cream. I think they're all going to be really good, given the right environment. But they're different flavors. Yeah.

One guy's stature power, Josh Allen. Donald's kind of a hybrid. and then Baker Mayfield is what I call more of a timing tempo, precision twitch guy. It's just a different flavor. I love mint chip. I don't like Rocky Road. You might like Rocky Road. I never like pranelines and cream.

Yeah, me either. That's a joke. That's terrible. Yeah, I do like when they start putting cookie dough in it. But do you see what I'm getting at? So you start learning to appreciate these guys. Baker Mayfield play like Drew Brees yesterday. I've been saying it since last year's draft.

He can be a Hall of Famer if he takes. chooses to play like Drew Brees and not try to play like Cam Newton. In college, you saw him try to play like Cam Newton sometimes. When he played Georgia and he tried to be Cam Newton. He was a train wreck. But yesterday, yeah, he made some plays. He made some really cool play. But for the most part, it was timing, precision, exactness, Twitch.

That's what he needs to do. So let's segue into Dak Prescott. Yes. Using that, you would say also, DAC would work. But here's my knock on Dak. he's not as accurate a thrower of the football as Baker. And he's not as twitchy. He's not as twitchy with his eyes.

He's not making the same rapid decisions. Dak's a good player. And we've said this before. Hall of Famers don't grow on a tree. There's no Hall of Fame quarterback tree. So sometimes you've got to play with a really good player and hope he develops into a high level, really good player.

But Dak Prescott is the Dallas Cowboys. He's inconsistent. He has nice upside at times. He does a ton of splash play. And then there's this basic plays that he's not making consistently enough. And to win all the time in the NFL it takes consistent. I wasn't very consistent. That's why I was not a great player.

And when you start looking at players and saying, I appreciate a lot about DAC, I appreciate a lot about the Cowboys. But they're not consistent enough to be in the conversation of a difference maker team in this league because their quarterback represents their entire team, not yet quite consistent. Now, I thought Chris Collins

said it perfectly last night. He's a good player that just needs polish. But how long are we going to wait for polish when we're watching a first year starter in Kansas City look very polished? Yeah. So that's why I think it becomes a big conversation. How long can you wait or just settle with good

when great might be out there? great stuff today you know you're always welcome to sit on the chair because we like you at the other place you have a beautiful home which I've never been invited to but I know I'm always welcome but we love having it on the chair

thanks brother Trent Dilfer great stuff on a Monday Joy Taylor with the news no no no no turn on the news this is the herd line news oh look at that

Lakers didn't panic and they're doing all right now don't they have a winning record three straight games. Dillford, you're a big Laker fan. You grew up a Laker fan. Yeah. They're pretty good.

They're pretty good. LeBron James is a little something to do with that, and the addition of Tyson Chandler. Last night against the Hawks, LeBron dunked the winning basket with 15 seconds left to go. He did miss two free throws, but Tyson Chandler blocked out their bigs, and Kuzma got the rebounds,

and then LeBron got the dunk, and then, of course, Chandler blocked Trey Young's driving layup to preserve a 107-106 victory over the Hawks. were understandably excited and celebrating after that block. And Tyson was asked what LeBron said to him after that win. Honestly, I don't know. They're getting like two kids jumping for Joey. I said, that's my dog.

My dog. My dog. They really, you know, Joy, they have, they've got like 10 guys who can play. They don't have a lot of stiffs on this roster. They're deep. Now, they don't have a lot of great players, but, you know, when I watch them, I mean, they're up and down the floor. They got athletes.

They got young guys. They've got veterans. They're shooting better. It's a fun. They're fun to watch. I like watching. Remember when Luke was going to get fired and they should trade off? Oh, Lord.

God, can we stop with Luke? Have the team. Look, Tyson Chandler is a piece that LeBron obviously used his influence to make happen. Yes. He likes playing with a vet. Tyson Chandler is not your average center. He's like a point guard. He's very active.

He's very vocal. If you watch him throughout the game, he's the same way in practice. He has clout. So young players look up to him and are going to trust him and pay attention to what he says. And he takes some leadership off of LeBron's play. Now, that's part of the reason why Rondo's there as well. But Rondo's is a completely different personality. And he's not going to influence every position on the floor.

LeBron's also past the days of really being a great defensive player. So LeBron is like, I don't want to be a rim defender. No, and now Tyson can get those rebounds, and they don't have to rely on LeBron going in there to those. So in a wide-ranging interview with ESPN after the Raiders 26 lost to the Chargers on Sunday the owner Mark Davis

he accepted blame for the team's one and eight start. He said quote, I always look in the mirror and the buck stops with me where this team is right now is my fault. We haven't been able to build a 22 man roster. We haven't been able to give this team a chance to win because the reconstruction

failed. In the same interview he also addressed the decisions to trade at Kaleel Mack and receiver Amari Cooper. And his message was, don't blame Bruden, blame me. They're obviously now 1 and 8 and currently hold the number one overall pick in the draft. Obviously, that could change.

But I do like this, though. I like that he said this. Well, it takes heat off, John. I still, you know, I said this when it happened. What industry can you be out of for 10 years? And I always use Silicon Valley in football. baseball looks sounds and feels like it did 20 years ago if you look at a television broadcast of football a decade ago and today they don't even look the same right this is an ever-changing rules I mean good Lord there are coaches and players players I watched the Colts game yesterday special teams players for the Colts didn't know some of the special teams rules like to be out of this industry for a decade with Gruden I thought it was a bad hire I can't think of an industry that you could be out of

out of for 10 years and come back in and it'd be the same. I mean, maybe, uh, maybe acting. Did you know 10 years ago when you, you were in radio and 10 years ago and I was in radio? 10 years ago, when I used to get ratings, it was a piece of paper and it was AM radio. And now I have a, I'm on AM, FM, XM serious, YouTube, Facebook, television, digital. Podcast. Podcast.

I used to just get a paper pay. Here's your AM radio rating. Now I have like 13 different ratings. And you and I were both in radio 10 years ago. And all you cared about is what does the rating book say coming out next week? I mean, the ratings book, it used to be a book that you fill out. Now it's technology. It's like a beam to it.

It's completely different. Most industries are going to change over 10 years. So it's not that. But I do like when the owner takes responsibility for a situation. Because at the end of the day, it really is their call. They're the person that put the head coach in charge. they approve trades like Khalil Mack and Amari Cooper.

That doesn't happen without Did you watch Kalil Mack yesterday? He's so, he is so rare. Literally. This is Kalil Mack? Like we knew what he was. They knew what he was. How often do you watch a football game

and there's a bunch of NFL players all over the screen and you're like, who's that guy? He's dominant. And it's a defensive player. Kaleo Mac is ridiculous. He is ridiculously good. He's probably going to use him this year.

Yeah. Finally. the Cowboys beat the Eagles to keep their hope of winning the division and making the playoffs alive. Azee-Ewe Elliott had a big game, 151 yards in touchdown. And Dak had a nice game, 270 yards, touchdown, and no interceptions. And after the game, Dak was looking towards the future rather than focusing on this game. Yeah, we just got to use this as momentum and continue to grow. This is a winning team, and this is great when you go on the road and win its first time doing that this year.

So it's important for us just to feel that and feel that energy in the locker room to make sure we don't forget that. He's always been great at the podium. Yes. I said before, the talent part of him is, eh. He has quarterback speak down. He has got, he has quarterback heel. I will say this. Goula, you love your cowboys. Amari Cooper

runs great routes. Amari Cooper turns people, I know that's so boring, but I'm watching that game last night. Now, Philadelphia is on our 13th string corner. Right. But Amari Cooper is tough to lock down. They got to get that thing figured out because

He's really good. He had that great play early where he got popped on third down and stayed on his feet and got the first down. That was big. Yeah. Amari Cooper, everybody criticized giving up a first round pick, but I watch him and I'm like, there's no college receiver that good. Who would have thought you need a number one receiver? I don't know. Who'd have thought?

In an offensive league trending league. Yeah, who would have thought that? Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. It's our new feature on Monday. We call it our best of last, our three-word game.

We can sum up every NFL game starting Thursday, Steelers, and Carolina in three words. The three-word game on Mondays now on Best for Last. That is coming up. It's cold and flu season. Stuffy nose. Throat hurts. Go to Vic's Synex nasal spray. Last up to 12 hours when congestion strikes.

Greg Jennings, Chris Broussard, Tony Gonzalez, Trent Dilfer. What a Monday, Joy. What a Monday. We've established that you like Carmelo Anthony way more than I do. He's not going to retire. Everyone just calm down. He's not retiring. Carmelo Anthony is not retiring.

I feel very confident saying that. He should. Should he? This is how he's going to leave the NBA? Well, we all, at the end, we all whimper off and just, you know, we all just. The end? My last radio show will be like, and I'll be like have smokers cough. I'm not going to quit an hour in.

I'll be just like, I can't talk anymore. It's over. That'll be my last show. That would be disappointing. You don't call it before then. Carmelo Anthony is not retiring. All right. Best for last. After almost three hours, Colin apparently hasn't gotten to the point yet. Quit holding out on us, cowherd. It's the best for last.

I've done this in the NBA for years. We do it now on Monday that every NFL game, starting with last Thursday, they can all be explained in three words. So let's start with the P. Canthers and the Steelers. The don't need Levion.

Forget the fact the Steelers won by 30, and their offense was absolutely flawless. The bigger issue here is Lavian Bell has offended teammates, and do you realize that James Connor, who nobody knew about outside of Pittsburgh before the year

started, now has 10 rushing touchdowns? That's more than Labian Bell has ever had in a season. The little grinder the little guy we didn't know about has made it so Lavian, they don't need him. Next up, Patriots Titans.

Happens every year. Tom Brady has 23 double-digit losses in his career, and he's been playing for about 18. So he has about one in a third to one and a half of these every year. Yesterday, off a bunch of big wins, their offensive line was manhandled.

By the way, in the seasons where Brady has suffered as two ugliest losses. 15 years ago against the bills and four years ago against the Chiefs, both years, they went on to win the Super Bowl. This ain't no big thing. Next up, Lions Bears. It ain't Tribusky. Chicago's defense is number one in the NFC.

Okay, number four in the NFL. They're number one in turnover differential. Listen, it's a little like Dak. Dak wins last night and everybody freaks out. Well, they had the running game and the defense and they had the lead. Bottom line in Chicago, Matt Nagy is the less well-known version of the Ram Sean McVe. McVeigh's got stars offensively. Left tackle, running back, quarterback, receiver.

What the Bears are doing right now with Mitch Tribusky, to me, it's the story of the year. I talked to people inside the NFL a year ago that thought maybe the kid was a bust. Trubisky this year, 22 DDs, seven picks, and a quarterback rating over 101. I don't think it's him, though.

Next up, Bill's Jets. Bulls fired yet. The Jets have lost four straight. Sam Darnold left. It wasn't Sam Darnold. Josh McCown came in, and he was awful. Quarterback rating of 39.

Listen, the parking lot got empty by halftime. The team quit. You got to remember Buffalo's fourth quarterback this year. Matt Barclay came in and dropped a 40 burger on him. This was about effort. Again, I feel bad for Todd Bulls. And Steve Wilkes in Arizona, but these young defensive coordinators feel like flip phones in 2018. They, and the GM should go with him. They have no offensive players. Left tackle, need a new one. Right tackle, need a new one. Center average.

Running backs below average. Tide-end good should be a third tight-end. Wide receivers? A bunch of dudes. Just guys. Next up, Falcons Brown. woke up dangerous. Listen, it was a perfect setting for a rookie quarterback. Played with a lead against the bad defense. The running game was humming for Cleveland. And Baker Mayfield, who's got a lot of swagger, only had to throw the ball 20 times, tied for the least in the NFL.

Never forget when Big Ben came into the NFL. Remember that first year with Big Ben? They didn't throw the football. Remember Philip Rivers' first year in San Diego? They didn't throw the football. He attempt 17 throws. This is how you manage a rookie quarterback. Duke Johnson and Nick Chubb are tremendously talented running backs.

They got a lead. That defense is the real deal. They had very few third downs. They didn't ask a ton, and they asked him to be accurate. This play right now you're watching was his best of the day. But after the game, he was all fired up. When I woke up this morning, I was feeling pretty dangerous. He is good behind the mic.

Next up, Cardinals Chiefs. Lights, camera action. Joey and I disagree on this too. I understand celebrating. I get it. The NFL wants free social media buzz. I totally get that. But at some point, second quarter, ask

Andy Reid if you love this. That's a 15-yard penalty. You have to have rules. My knock on celebrating is, ultimately it will become taunting or penalties. So how about a new rule? You can celebrate all you want inside the end zone. That's already a rule.

Well, he got, he got, well, I mean, they're not going to throw a penalty for the Lambo leap, but he got penalized because he used a prop. You know, I let to use a prop. Can we stop with props? Can we, would you like it if I, if I came on the show every day and they had a funny suit on and I was, I had a pipe. Hey, I got props. I mean, no, not every day, but if you came in after we got our ratings and we were number one and we were thumping everybody, yeah, you can wear whatever you want. Chris Rock or carrot top? Who do you want to go watch?

Hey, here's a ski mask and a lip balm. Are you seriously comparing touchdown celebrations to carrot top right now? I am. That's a prop. We've gone off the rails. All right. Redskins, Buccaneers. Yeah, I didn't watch it.

I just didn't see the game. I don't mean to be rude, but the only thing, I didn't watch it. Whitlog looks at me like I have to watch all the games. I watched all the games except this one. I did not watch Washington play. Listen, here's all I need to know about this game, how bad it was. Tampa Bay had 501 yards and it scored three points. I picked the right game not to watch.

On Red Zone, because they never got in the Red Zone, they never show highlights. So the whole game I watched every day yesterday, I didn't see one, I saw like a play on this game. I'm not afraid to admit it. I just didn't watch it. All right, Dolphins Packers. The Other Aaron. Do you know that Aaron Rogers is 42 and 11 when you ask him to throw fewer than 30 times? This Aaron Jones kid is electric.

Green Bay. Why didn't you play him sooner? My only guess is he's a rookie, and it took him a while to get the pass blocking schemes down because this kid's a right. He is a dynamic player. And Aaron Rogers, even Aaron Rogers, needs a running game. Aaron Jones yesterday, 9.7 yards per rush.

He's a talent. Jags Colts. Can't touch luck. Colts haven't allowed to sound. in four straight games. He's second in the NFL and touchdown passes when you consider, when you consider what he has to work with offensively. They still, Marlon Max, they're running back. They have good tight ends, but that's about it. I got a bunch of games left, but let me just do one more. Playmakers on three. Here's Drew Breeze before games.

Playmakers all three, one, two, three. Yeah, there you go. That's Andy. That's Andy. That's Andy Dodd. Let's hear Drew Breeze. Let's hear, we don't. What you think and what you believe is who you are. What you think and what you believe is who you are. So you think like a champion, if you believe you're a champion, you'll play like a champion. Let's go. Win the day for each other.

One play in time. Let's go. That quarterback scored a touchdown on his first four drives. The other quarterback not quite aspiring did not score four touchdowns on his first four drive. Playmakers on three doesn't get you fired up. No. It does not.

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