The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Cowboys, Jason Garrett, Ron Rivera, instant replay, & the Browns

Episode Date: December 31, 2019

Colin discusses the Cowboys struggling to figure out what to do with HC Jason Garrett, why Ron Rivera made a mistake deciding to coach the Redskins, the problem with instant replay and how to fix it, and the Browns firing their GM. Guests include Doug Gottlieb, Jane Slater, T. J. Houshmandzadeh, and Bucky Brooks. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's great to have you enjoy. Joy Taylor is joining me. This is a crazy day because we got coaches getting fired, coaches getting hired, people making interesting decisions. You and I have moved around the country for a lot of jobs. You can be a really good person, Joy. You and I can be really talented. But if you choose the wrong job...

It's very crucial. There are a lot of interesting reports out there today. There are. And I've met in my life people who were very good but bad job choosers. And I want to start with this. I like Ron Rivera as a head coach a lot. I think he's very, very good. I think he made a bad choice.

He's a really good employee who made a really poor choice. He's going to coach the Washington Redskins. He's seeking power. It's a mistake. It feels like Chip Kelly to San Francisco, who I think can coach. Now, I think Ron's a much better NFL coach. The rule in the NFL, better the quarterback, better the chances you survive. And Duane, I mean, Kyle Shanahan in the NFL is 19 and 5 with Jimmy Garoppolo.

He's 4 and 20 with every other. quarterback. That's Kyle Shanahan, the best young coach in football. Belichick got fired in Cleveland, couldn't get the right coach. Pete Carroll fired twice, couldn't get the right quarterback. Excuse me, Belichick couldn't get the right quarterback. Dwayne Haskins is the fourth best quarterback in that division. He's the fourth best. And if they use Alex Smith, he's the fourth healthiest. So Dwayne Haskins is not close to Carson Wentz. I don't think he has nearly the upside of Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones had far more college starts, and I don't think he has the qualities of Dak Prescott. So that's 1 in 5 to 0 and 6 a year in division. I even know who Washington

plays next year because the schedules are out. We just don't know when the games are. They play the AFC North. So it'll be Dwayne Haskins against Big Ben on the road, Baker on the road, Lamar Jackson at home, Kyler Murray on the road, at Jimmy Garoppolo, Russell Wilson, Jared golf at home at Matt Stafford and Cam Newton at home. Lost, lost, loss, loss, loss, loss, loss, loss, loss, quarterback deficit for all of them. Ron Rivera is a good coach. But there are two things that matter in this league.

Ownership stability, Redskins are crazy town, and who's your quarterback? I got nothing against Dwayne Haskins. I think he's a franchise guy. But he's not close to ready. The word on him is he's not really a grinder, sometimes just relies on his talent. not mobile in an increasingly mobile league at quarterback. He needs perfect pocket situations. And he just didn't have many college starts.

So he's probably two to three years away of reps to getting it right. Ron Rivera, by the end of year two, Dan Snyder may sell that stock. That's Dan Snyder. So I see this all the time in the NFL. Be careful of the job you take. And I tell young people in this business, be careful of the show you take. Who's your producer? What is the time slot?

Who is your boss? What is the owner? What's the stability like? What's the timeline on it succeeding? So Ron's a great coach, but I think you're in big trouble. In the NFL this year, seven of the eight teams finishing last have the worst quarterback play. All right?

Or the least talented quarterback. The only exception is the L.A. Chargers, and I can make an argument this year for Philip Rivers. he was also the worst quarterback in his division. You just cannot overcome in this league. Impatient ownership, meddling ownership, and an average quarterback. You can't overcome it. Belichick couldn't.

Pete Carroll couldn't twice. Kyle Shanahan can't. I mean, look at, we think Sean McVeigh's smart. The minute they've had offensive line trouble with the Rams and Gough, who's not overly athletic, has to run for his life. The Rams are unwatchable. The minute they get protection, the Rams are good. It all comes down to basically guard, center guard protection for an immobile quarterback.

So I think he just made a big mistake. You're going to go into that game against Philadelphia, Ron Rivera, for the next 10 years, if you were coaching there, and Carson Wentz, you have a major quarterback deficit. And I think Daniel Jones is way better than I thought. You may have four games a year. And I don't think Dax is super talent, but I think he has super leadership qualities, super durable. super tough and wins a bunch of games. So I think it's a big mistake. And it's a bummer because I think Rivera is great,

but he's seeking power here. He can be the GM. He can have personnel say. He can be the coach. Guess what? Washington's got what, the number two pick in the draft? I would strongly think about drafting a quarterback. I would strongly think about it because your success in this league as a head coach is

totally tied to it. Great coaches get fly. fired. The Andy Reed's Carol, Bill Belichick, they get whacked in this league because they can't overcome average or old or unathletic quarterback play. Speaking of that, Bucky Brooks, former player and scout was on speak for yourself yesterday. And I mean, we know Tom Brady is older, but he did win a Super Bowl last year. But Bucke Brooks came out and said, it's Ova for New England and Brady. Look, man, I don't know why it's taking y'all so long to come around to the fact that

It's over. It's over for the Patriots. It's over because their quarterback is the worst quarterback in the playoffs. Tom Brady is the week. I can't go with you on that one, Bucky. He is the worst quarterback in the playoffs. In the playoffs, it's about quarterback play. And when I look at the numbers, so provided, I mean, eight games under 60 completion percent 100 pass a rate, Tom Brady.

Oh, oh, oh, oh. Fist bump, Bucky. It's awesome. Okay. So, listen, Eli, Philip Rivers and Tom Brady. When you're old and not very athletic, you die quickly.

These pocket guys die fast. Philip Rivers was an MVP candidate last year. And this year, it's just bad. So you need these older guys, Eli, Philip Rivers, and Brady need great offensive lines or they age really, really quickly. You can win some games as a pocket quarterback that's not athletic, but you feel like a back-to-the-basket

center in the NBA. you can still end up with 15 points and nine rebounds, but man, the game is moving away from you. But beyond age and the unathletic nature of Brady's DNA, beyond that is something else that needs to be discussed. The system offensively for New England and Tom is simply too rigid. That's why all these young receivers take years and years to work. Edelman took four.

Muhammad Sanoe, smart veteran player, was a quarterback in high school, was able to figure out Kyle Shanahan's wildly intense and sophisticated offense in Atlanta. He goes to New England, and his quote last week is, I haven't really scratched the surface of what I can do here. I'm just getting adjusted. There's so many things you can't teach. It's the difference between knowing and doing. and he played quarterback, and he's a veteran,

and he's had multiple coordinators, and he's just scratching the surface, and he's bailing water. I've said this before. R rigid is a real thing. Rigid people age quickly. Rigid companies, rigid personality. I'll give you an example.

Bobby Knight went from genius to dinosaur. He's a very rigid guy because he wouldn't embrace the one and done. I mean, he went from legend. respected to Jurassic in two years. Mike Shashefsky, 72 still relevant. He embraced the one and done. He's not a rigid personality. He likes to learn.

He's curious. He was willing to embrace, although stubborn initially, Coach Kay said, I got to get into this one and done, or I'm going to be losing to one and done players. One's to the legend. One feels old. San Antonio Spurs, as brilliant as they are. The last two years in the NBA,

last in three-point attempts. They're not relevant. Utah's better, Denver's better, Clippers better, Lakers better, Lakers better. They're not relevant. Boston better, Philadelphia better, Milwaukee better, Toronto better. They don't feel relevant. New England's system is too offensively complicated and rigid.

And with more players than ever coming out of college, in three years, not four, and not even redshirting. The great players in college now do not redshirt, demand to play earlier they'll transfer, and they come out after a junior year. They're babies. They're 21 years old. You cannot be rigid. Tom Coughlin, smart,

but feels like an old grumpy guy, and this morning Jacksonville retained everybody, except Tom Coughlin. Coach stays, GM stays, quarterback stays. And I think New England, it's not just Tom's age. It's not just his lack of athleticism. Rigid people age really quickly and so to rigid cultures. They feel outdated overnight.

And yes, New England won a Super Bowl. But the game is changing. They've got to lighten it up. It's got to be more wide receiver and skill people friendly. And I do think it feels like Brady is a little bit of a liability in these playoffs. I do not think that's crazy. Doug Gottlieb today, T.J. Hushmanzada, Bucky Brooks, also next hour at the top of 10 or 1 Eastern, the final herd hierarchy as we go into the playoffs and the final hurt hierarchy of 2019.

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There's an old truism in medicine. The doctors who get sued by patients are not the least competent doctors. No, quite the contrary. People will sue the doctor from Harvard or Princeton or Yale. But what people will not sue is the doctor they like, who makes them feel good, who is what they call a good bedside manner. They've done studies on this. Insurance companies did to protect their arses.

The doctors that get sued are the doctors that don't make you feel good about yourself. Don't make you feel secure. Nobody likes to go to a hospital. You want to feel comfortable. You want the nice doctor. And you'd never sue him, even if he cut off the wrong leg. That's why it's incredibly hard to fire marginally competent nice people. It's easy to fire a talented jerk.

Jason Garrett's hard to fire. He's marginally competent. He's got three division titles. And the Cowboys have become USC football, a glamour job with a world-class human being as head coach. And with both, you can make arguments. Jason Garrett's only had one losing season. And that was the year Tony Romo got hurt.

And with Clay Hilton, he's 40 and 22 at USC. he's got two-packed 12 South titles. Clay's the nicest guy I've ever met as a head coach in college. And Jason reportedly don't know him, talk to him, is the nicest guy in the NFL and Jerry loves him. It's really hard. Both feel like family. With all the chaos at USC, Clay Hilton's been there now for a decade. And with the Cowboys movements, Jason Garrett's been part of the family for 19 to 20 years.

and with both USC and Dallas this morning, let's fire the assistance. Let's fire the coordinators. Let's get rid of the special teams guy and the defensive coordinator. Jason Garrett, by the way, has gone through three offensive coordinators and four defensive coordinators. And the NFC is pulling away from Dallas and the elite college football programs are pulling away from USC.

Oklahoma's never been better. Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Ohio State, Clemson are just pulling away every recruiting season. Being nice matters. And I don't think Jason Garrett's unhirable. I think Clay Helton could coach. I don't think Dallas Cowboy Football or USC football is. That's a lot of expectations and a lot of standards to meet.

And I don't think they're the right guys for those jobs. Being nice and marginally competent buys you a lot of time. So the moral to the story this year, as you write your list of New Year's resolutions, be nicer. It'll get you another contract or three. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. Well, that's kind of the perfect lead-in to all of these stories coming up. So, Bears GM, Ryan Pace has announced Mitchell Chubisky will remain the starter next season. Pace said the organization believes in Chubisky in the progress he's going to make, but also said he needs to play with more consistency. 2020 is the last year of Chubriski's rookie contract, and Pace of the team is not decided if they're going to pick up his fifth year option for 2021 yet. He also said that Chubisky may need surgery on his non-throwing shoulder in the off season.

Okay. So he's not healthy and not good. All right. He's nice, though. I'll tell you this. I've been told this by everybody. Dave Wonstat works in Chicago at this network. He's like players love him, coaches love him, first in, last out, total grinder, wonderful kid.

Bought him another year. It matters. Jay Cutler, they couldn't get out of town fast enough. It's literally everything you just said. But listen, there's something to being a good person and working hard. Yes. People pull for you. They root for you.

Can't be mad at that. And look, I hope that Chubisky proves both of us wrong. That's right. but I don't think that's going to happen. And you're also right. I just don't, like, to me, this is a business of winning and a big business of progress. Yeah. And he did, he did not move forward this year.

And I don't, I don't see the, the upward trend with Trubisky. Well, and you also have Aaron Rogers in the division. And the Packers are your primary rival. So you will go into the game against your rival twice with a big quarterback deficit. So I don't think it's ideal. But I do think, um, you can, win games with Trubisky. I think there are ceilings and a third of the teams in the NFL of a, I mean, people would

say DAC has a ceiling. So it's a quarterback situation with a ceiling. And until you got a better one, you just do, you know, you do it for another year. You got money on the book. So you just do it. My only issue with this is that, when we talk about it all the time, that aggressive wins in sports. Yes, it does.

This is a non-aggressive move. And I think that they are in a unique position where their defense, is a Super Bowl level defense. So to me, the Bears are in a win now situation. Yeah, they have a... Because they're kind of squandering that by not being aggressive right now. I really like their GM, Ryan Pace, and I really like their coach Matt Nagy. And it's interesting that when they're four and eight next year, their jobs will be in jeopardy.

And they're to me not the issue. But again, Kirk Cousins, uh, Trubisky. I mean, let's be honest. about it. A lot of what we like about DAC is not the football stuff. It's the dude stuff. And we like his leadership. We like his moxie. We like the fact that he's a good dude in the room.

It definitely does. There's no question. So one of the top head coaching candidates has already said no to the Browns. Baylor head coach Matt Rule reportedly declined an interview to be Cleveland's next head coach. The Browns will reportedly interview Mike McCarthy and Vikings offensive coordinator

Kevin Stefanski, who almost got the job instead of Kitchens last year. They will also interview Bill's offensive coordinator, Brian Dabble, and three coaches from the 49ers, the defensive coordinator, Robert Salah. I don't think he's ready for a head coaching job. I'm hearing his name like him. I'm just going to put this out there. Robert Sala, I'd slow down as head coach now. I think he needs two more years under Kyle Shanahan. That he, that's, this is, he's not ready for a head coaching job. I wouldn't take this job if I was him. The run game coordinator for the 49ers, Mike McDaniel, and the past.

passing game coordinator for the 49ers, Mike LaFleur, who is Matt LaFleur's brother. Okay. Are all going to be interviewed reportedly for the Brown's job. They've also requested to interview with Josh McDaniels, Greg Roman, and Chiefs offensive coordinator, Eric Bianamy. Beanie's going to get a job. Wasn't Kevin Stefansky last year like the hot candidate? He was, he was, he almost got the job instead of Kitchens last year.

Yeah. So why is he now like the eighth most attractive hire? A year ago, everybody loved Kevin Stefansky. The two people in the NFL that I know that have worked with him love him. If I'm Cleveland, stop all the college stuff. Go get Kevin Stefansky, who you should have hired last year instead of Freddie Kitchens. I mean, to me, it's Mike McCarthy, Stefansky, BNAMI. I mean, a lot of people are going to be after Greg Roman also as well.

I don't know. That his style works. I'm not sure it works with Baker. I think Greg Roman style is great for Lamar. I'm not sure Baker and Greg. Roman's a good fit. All I know is whoever goes into Cleveland's better have full control of the entire organization. Well, good luck. That's not going to happen. Yeah, that's actually good luck. So that's not going to happen. I mean, I have to make a joke before the years over. Finally,

Matt Rule may not want the Brown's job, but the Giants are still a possibility. Rules reportedly one of the team's top choices. They will also interview Mike McCarthy and Cowboys Assistant Chris Richard this week. And they've also requested interviews with Josh McDaniels, Eric Bianamy, and Don Martindale, the defensive coordinator for the Ravens. All right. I think, I mean, I personally would like to see Mike McCarthy with the Browns because if he's given full control. He just feel, I just, I just really want them to bring somebody in who is accomplished, who has a serious resume. I don't get the pushback on Mike McCarthy.

Like, I truly don't understand one percent of it. Sometimes things just run their course and that is what I feel like happened with the Packers. Well, and also, Aaron Rogers is considered very smart and very talented and kind of dumped on him. And so, let's be honest about it. Yeah, that's fine. That has hurt McCarthy's image. To me, it doesn't change my opinion of Mike McCarthy 1%. No, it doesn't for you because you believe in him.

But I don't think it helped me. Well, I just think that your resume should speak for more than just how things end with two big egotistical people. Like, I don't know. I just like to be a little more macro with my assessment of whether. you're capable or not. Yeah, no, I think he's capable. And I think he looks like he fits Cleveland. Yeah, and he would be, I think he would be great with the Giants as well.

All right, there's Joy with the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd-Ly News. It's funny with, I've known Urban Meyer for a long time. He's been very good with information for me. I ask questions. He gives it.

A lot of the stuff I don't bring out, but he's a guy I've, throughout the course of my career, when I've asked urban questions, he's giving me really smart, thoughtful answers. I hope he trusts me and I really like him. You know, it's funny. Urban Meyer's name is being bantied about. Urban has always been a great job chooser. A little backstory. Years ago, Notre Dame, he was a coach under Lou Holtz.

Notre Dame offered him the job. It was like 2005. And Florida offered him the job. And Notre Dame doesn't want to hear this, but Lou Holtz told him go to Florida. You can get more kids in school. he could have been both. It would have been very easy for Urban Meyer

to romanticize as a 45-year-old coach, Notre Dame. He chose the right job, Florida. Tim Tebow, SEC, better athletes. Urban's got a lot of job opportunities here. And with that, I bring in Doug Gottlie, the Dugger, Fox Sports Radio, after our show. So let me just, we both know Urban's great. I do think in life

choosing the right job is important. I don't like Ron Rivera choosing the worst quarterback easily in his division. It's hard to overcome that. So Urban's got a TV job. Urban could go big-time college football again. Urban could go Dallas Cowboys. Urban could get Cleveland probably within a year, be the GM and the coach. If you were his agent, where should Urban go?

Well, again, I think you guys are talking about the Browns job. Let's start with the Brown's job. Okay. what I feel like is going on. Okay. You got John Dorsey. He has his list of candidates. Right.

Okay, his list of candidates are Eric Bienemy, who, when he was in Kansas City, Bianami was there. Yeah. You got Kevin Stefansky, who was a candidate last year. He chose not to pull the trigger. Right. Those are his guys, and he would remain employed. Then you hear about Josh McDaniels.

You think Josh McDaniels coming in working for John Dorsey? Zero chance. You think Urban Myers coming in and working for John Dorsey, zero chance. Mike McCarthy and he, I believe, were together in Green Bay. He did not hire Mike McCarthy last year. So again, there's two pools of candidates here. There's the candidates that John Dorsey would like to interview

because they would keep him gamefully employed and he'd get to see, okay, was it the coaching? Is that what plays out with Baker Mayfield? Or, or, and this is maybe really interesting to me, is, you know, if you hear these other names being interviewed, that means that John Dorsey's out and it also puts Baker Mayfield very much on the hot seat in terms of his position.

And that's where I actually think that the Urban Meyer thing makes sense. I just do. Because would we agree they have talent on the roster? Yes, Cleveland does. Okay. So I sat in your seat. This is a couple months ago. And I asked Urban Meyer about why he chose Florida over Notre Dame and take a look at what he said.

It's coming. Okay. Any second. Oh, we don't have it. Oh, we don't have. I'm sorry. He said it was because of the talent. right what you said as far as Lou Holt's telling him but also he looked at the roster

you've you've proposed that he takes the Dallas Cowboy job and he's romanticized about the Dallas Cowboys right and they do have a roster but you know what you can't do if you're the head coach of Dallas Cowboys what can't pick your GM right that GM is already chosen but can I throw push back DAC is the kind of Alex Smith athlete he succeeded with no no question look look look all the other parts of the Dallas Cowboys if I'm back I want urban all the other parts of Dallas Cowboys make sense. Everything else makes sense. They have talent.

They lack culture. They lack a strong head coach. He's not an egomaniac to where he's not going to hire NFL guys. Like all of that makes sense. The problem is you had two of the greatest coaches in the history of the NFL, Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells and both left early. Why? Because Jerry makes the call.

End of the day, Jerry's going to make the call. And at the end of his life, at the end of his run, as owner of the Dallas Cowboys, Jerry's still going to make the call. Jerry's still going to have his post-game press conferences. And Urban Miami's not going to do that. He's been a college coach. He's not working for anybody other than maybe the owner, but the owner can own and sit up in his box.

That's why Cleveland makes sense because if he comes in, he's from Ohio, he's the king there, and he can pick his GM and his president. Okay, I'll make an argument that you say Cleveland makes sense. I think Dallas does. Let me argue this. New York's better than both. Here's why. You don't have a meddling owner.

They have figured out a way the office. Offensive line is now not a total rebuild. Urban loves power running backs and Urban likes quarterbacks who can move. Daniel Jones can do that. And it's the biggest, it's maybe one of the, maybe the biggest or second biggest job available. Also, Urban like Pete Carroll, when Pete got to the Seahawks, and I was told this by NFL people, for three years, Pete had a huge advantage over everybody. He recruited all the players. Urban for the next two to three years can go to the Giantscape Dave Gettleman and say, okay, and go to the Mars and say, I'll take it.

but I want real say on the draft for two years. I get a quarterback. What they really need there is defense. And you got, by the way, the hears of the everything about the Giants, Doug. They have the number four pick. The three teams after him need a quarterback. They could possibly get multiple picks.

No question. I mean, Dave Gettleman, and I don't know if you guys have played the sound yet, he had a bizarre, another press conference where he said, we hired four computer guys, right? That's his analytics department. That's how he assesses them. We hired poor computer guys to kind of fix her scouting.

But I do think, look, again, the Giants are a huge job. The Cowboys are a huge job, which is not yet open. I'm sure that, but the reason Ron Rivera makes sense in Washington, I disagree with you. I agree with you. I don't think Haskins is, he's just too slow-footed. He struggled to get up to speed with the playbook. He's also, he didn't have very many starts. He's a baby.

I understand. I mean, there's still the potential of Alex Smith who wants to play. is under contract and Alex Smith can get you to the playoffs. Obviously, there's a ceiling there. And so maybe that's, but I think that Ron Rivera is going to do exactly what McDermott did in Buffalo, right? McDermott gets the Buffalo job. Everybody says Buffalo is a mess.

Then he hires Brandon Bean, who worked with him in Carolina. And they remake the franchise and then the playoffs two of the last three years. That's what Ron Rivera. The washing redskinned, Dan Snyers finally said, all right, that's it. Let's start football operations over. And that's why it makes sense for Ron Rivera to take the job because they have autonomous power and they can hire their own GM. That's what all these guys want. The young guys, okay, who don't have the power to make the say to get a president, to get a GM, those are the guys

just take a job, you know, or if somebody, you know, an Eric B. Enemy who just wants his first job, they will take a job under somebody else's regime. But the guys that have a proven track record and don't need a head coaching job like a Ron Rivera, like an Urban Meyer, those are the guys like, I'll take it, but I want to pick the groceries. I want to put the front office together all by myself. That's why I think Ron Rivera makes sense in Washington. That's why I think Urban Meyer potentially makes sense in Cleveland if they get John Dorsey out the way.

You know, we might as well talk about Baker Mayfield. You actually, because you went to Oklahoma State, you have a lot of friends who are Sooners, you're big deal in that state, and you have a lot of good contacts in that state. And I've banged on Baker enough. So I'm not going to

go too far into this because it's a topic and I don't want to burn a topic. Okay. But I do believe... I have a rant that I want for the third hour that I want to make sure that we stay listening. All right. So, how you enter a company matters. Baker entered the Cleveland Browns as the

man. A lot of jobs lost if he doesn't work. Gardner Minshue's like a six-round pick. Nobody loses a job if he's a whiff. So I'm just going to make this simple. Their combined numbers, vertical minshue, seven-cone minchew.

Their size, 6-1-2-20. They're number one strength, accuracy. One played in college under a disciple of Mike Leach. One played for Mike Leach. Both had a lot of starts. Both are transfers, by the way. Both are transfers.

Their college numbers are virtually identical. 71% completions. Huge TDs, no picks. 4,700 yards. Also, by the way, the difference is, Gardner, Minchew and Baker are the same damn guy. The difference is

when you enter the company as the man, you'll be give third, four. You know the difference between these two? One doesn't burn himself in front of a microphone. One's likable in front of a mic. One's cocky. They're the same. My argument is, this is what Baker is. He's Gardner Minshu. And we just can't own it. You know what this reminds me of? You guys remember Anthony Bennett, the number one overall pick in the NBA draft? Yeah, I do. You and LV. Who flamed out? Yes. Okay. I'll never forget this. I had a conversation with a couple guys in the Cleveland Cavaliers front office. at the time. And they said, look, Anthony Bennett didn't make it because he didn't have a great

work ethic. His shoulder was hurt. We couldn't get him up to speed. Like, it just, it didn't work. But he was the number, if you go back and look at that draft, with exception of Victor, it was a terrible draft. With exception of Victor Oladipo, okay, who everybody missed on, that entire lottery is a mess. Right. Half the, half the guys in the lottery aren't in the league. The problem is, Anthony Bennett went number one overall. The number one pick is just different. This is what you and I both said at the time, which is you just can't, because you have to play the number one pick, and he has to work. And if it doesn't,

like the number two pick doesn't work, like, look, Lanzo Ball has been, been traded. I mean, you go back and look at how many NBA number two overall picks haven't worked. Most don't. But many, many do not. Correct, you know. But when the number one pick doesn't work, when you're in your Oloaconde, right?

Or you're in this case, Baker Mayfield, or Couch, who, of course, was the last number one overall pick they had started quarterback the entire season. and it becomes a bigger thing. So that's when trying to evaluate the number one overall pick, there's a different level of evaluation in how it has to work, how he has to purport himself.

And I heard your rant yesterday, Joy, and it was right. Like just, what do you, Baker Mayfield, I get that you want to fight every fight. But the fact that no one has pulled him aside and said, like, hey, dude, you have to evolve, right? Like in relationships, we have to evolve. Like the people we marry, we kind of grow together. You can be that cocky, brash guy.

That's what makes you from a walk-on to a Heisman trophy winner to a number one overall pick. But you have to evolve. And he is the same guy. And he makes no apologies for being the same guy. But that's not a franchise quarterback. That's not a number one overall pick. And that's why it's a much bigger miss. Can any of us tell, do anybody know picks two through 10?

I mean, we both know Donald, right? But there are other picks that are withs in that same draft a couple years ago. We don't point out because they're not number one overall. Yeah. And I really do think. I think Baker is overwhelmingly Gardner Minshu. Minshu is, you know, they got Nick Falls. They're going to get another guy.

I think Baker was way overdrafted. Yes. Yes. I mean, like, look, this is Dak Prescott, fourth round pick. Russell Wilson, fourth round pick. Undrafted. Right. So our, yeah, we're underdrafted.

So our evaluation of them early in their career. It's like Russell Wilson, his first year, nine times he threw for less than 200 yards, nine times. And everyone, what a great rookie. You're like, no, they just. said don't lose the game. And they slowly spoon fed him. And ultimately he became one of the elite quarterbacks in the NFL. Baker Mayfield drafted number one overall.

You know, he starts playing. He has a little bit of success at the end of a... And now all of a sudden second year, we expect him to be as good as he thinks he is. And we start to realize that there's a... There's a reason that he was... He was a walk-on, but he could have played Division I elsewhere. Like his ego, his... Many of his intangibles outsized that of his actual tangibles.

And that seems to have hit a ceiling. combined with all of the mistakes he's made on and off the football field. All right, well, get Doug back. I got some thoughts on my theory is you can't be rigid. It punctures greatness. I think New England's offensive system beyond Brady's age is just too rigid for young players who are coming into the league now. No red shirts, not seniors, underclassmen.

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Yeah, I think the network, what do we do? Close. Radio only. Close for the winter. Doing the best of? I don't know what it is tomorrow. All right. Oh, Jason McIntyre is doing radio for show only? Okay. I have a basketball game. Okay, there you go. San Diego State game.

All right. So let's two topics. Number one, Dallas Cowboys. I compared them to USC. It's hard to fire a marginally competent great human. There's a story out by Freakonomics years ago. People don't sue the Harvard doctor or they don't sue the incompetent

doctor they like. They'll sue the competent doctor who has bad bedside manner. You can never sue a guy you like. And in the end it's same with firing. Jason, Garrett and Clay Hilton. They're marginally competent, great humans, and I think Jerry Jones is struggling. He almost looks like his son. Well, I look, the Clay Hilton thing aside, I think there's a dollars and cents

aspects to it because of the mess of USC's checkwriting fest because of other issues. I think the Jason Garrett thing is this is why it's hard to work with family, right? It's hard to work a family because it's hard to fire family. And that's what Jason Garrett is. Jason Garrett was a backup quarterback who became a quarterback. coach and a coordinator became a head coach. And it's like, you know, it's one thing to fire a coach. It's another thing to fire family.

That's what makes it really difficult. And you look at in colleges hiring somebody who was an alum when it doesn't work. Now the sudden, you know, there's a bitterness always when you're fired. And then, you know, there's a circle of people that support the coach and blame everybody else. And so when that coach gets fired, you almost, you lose a section of your alumni base because they're tired to that player. player can never kind of go home again.

It's a really weird thing. So I think this is more about firing family and how hard it is to work together. And I do think that, yes, he is a nice guy. But it's like how many different times can we rework the coaching staff? They have four different defensive coordinators. And, you know, he hired Kellyn Moore. And then, you know, he wants, hey, listen, Kellyn Moore's personnel and play, you know, on the last play of the game when you're taking on the Philadelphia Eagles.

They're not a well-coached team. Yeah. I think the hard part for the Cowboys is going to be finding the right head. head coach who's competent, but also willing to, on some levels, take orders or pacify the needs of Jerry Jones. That's really, I've never agreed with your Urban take, even if your Urban take makes total sense to everybody. The problem with it is it doesn't make sense to Jerry Jones because Urban's going to sit down and say,

all right, push comes to shove, do I get to make all the last calls? And he might say yes, but Urban's no dope. He's going to pick up the phone and call Jimmy Johnson and call Bill Parcells and call everybody else work for him, and they're all going to say, do what are you doing? Don't walk, run. Jerry's at the, like you point out, he's at the end. He wants to win, and he thinks he knows the way. Yeah, and he wants to win his way.

Yes. It's not just winning. He was happier winning with Barry's sweatser than Jimmy, because Barry let him go to the practice field and wear a cowboy hat and talk to the reporters, Jimmy wouldn't let him do that. Correct. And look, as much as we want to make fun of Jerry, he has, their player personnel, they've done a very good job.

Like, they've made good football decisions. They don't have bad talent. They have bad chemistry. We all do point to coach. And coaching is part of it. But part of, like, look, they had Colbeasley. Cole Beasley grew up in Dallas, went to SMU, and the bills came in and took him. And Colbyz is not a great player, but he was a great cowboy.

And he's a guy that can get you another first down. And they didn't have that this year. Let's talk about rigidity. I mean, we all have, having a great culture matters, San Antonio. New England, Alabama. To grow a dynasty, it starts with culture. You have to have the Barry Alvarez took Wisconsin. and they were the second worst program in the country.

He built a culture before he recruited. Bo Ryan did the same thing at Wisconsin basketball. You build a culture first. It's the foundation to the house. New England's offensive system is so now complex and rigid, the culture of it. It's virtually impossible for young talent players to come in and work. And a prime example is they haven't had a pro bowler on that offense. Gronk is the only skill person ever drafted by the genius Belichick.

who's a pro bowler. In 19 years, one, it's not because Bill's a dope. It's because if you don't work with an aging Brady, Muhammad Sanoo's a quarterback. He's like, this is hard. I think that as much as Tom's age is, it's not a player-friendly offensively. It's not a player-friendly, adapt, quickly system. So who's to blame? Brady or Belichick? No. What happens is, as Duncan and Brady age, you're not bailing on the culture. And I think it's just, this is how dynasties end. You build a culture, your star ages, it's too hard of a culture. Like, Kauai doesn't feel like it's my place.

You know, Nikiel Harry's like, okay, I'm in the wrong place. I just think there's a rigidity to Brady now that's hard for young guys to click with. Yeah, but I think that there's always been rigidity, and they've worked in spite of it. You know, Chad Johnson couldn't work there because he couldn't line up in the right place. Right, right.

So, I mean, like, look, if we talk about the downfall of the Patriots, it's a combination of his age. I mean, it wasn't that Belichick didn't have the plan? He had Jimmy Garapolo. And when push came to shove, they chose to stick with Brady instead of making the hard decision and letting Brady walk out the door. And it's gotten them another Super Bowl win. So it wasn't the wrong decision in the short term, probably not the wrong decision in the long term. And it's not for lack of trying to fix it. Remember, you know, they had Antonio Brown there, just Antonio Browns that can't get right.

I do. He can't control himself. That's true. And then they had what's the name? He went to Seattle and just got kicked out of the Josh. Flash Gordon. Josh Gordon, right? So they know they had a wide receiver problem. And they lost Rob Grankowski. He's almost irreplaceable. He's a Hall of Fame

tight end who blocks like a lineman and catches like one of the great. So do you think they can tweak it with a good draft and fix it? No, I think this is how dynasty's end. But I don't think it's rigidity. You told me that you told the world that rigidity, well, Malcolm Butler and this is a sign of the end of the Patriots. And then they win the next Super Bowl.

Like, it's worked because it does work. They're actually not rigid. They try and win every game, and they'll play, they can be a 3-4, they can be a 4-3. And if they can't win it because Tom Brady doesn't have the arm anymore, doesn't have the mobility, then they'll win it on a trick play. Like, look, as much as we'd love to say, the Patriots are done, they're finished. Rob Parker's taking victory laps over him not making, the AFC playoffs haven't played yet. And they're going to beat Tennessee.

Of course they're going to beat Tennessee. Yeah, they will. Right? They're going to beat Tennessee. And then it's like, are they as good as the chiefs? Chiefs or the Ravens? No, they lost the Chiefs and the Ravens. And they'd have to, I think But are you going to put your hard-earned money

against Tom Brady and Bill Belichick in a one-win game? In Kansas City, yes. They just won in Kansas City last year. I know, but it's a year later. I agree. Philip Rivers was great last year. I mean, look, he wasn't, Brady wasn't even good last year until the last drive. Right. He threw a third pick on the last drive

and then they were off-sides, and then he got a second chance. He got a mulligan. But, like, I don't think they're rigid at all. I do think they're demanding. I think you're confusing, demanding, and a demand for intelligence and professionalism with rigidity because they went from being a very conservative style with Brady

to where they would throw it instead of run it until, remember, in the prime of his career, through 50 touchdown passes. And then last year they became a power running team and they would find Gronk or find a mismatch for Edelman on third down. And then this year, they've had to do smoke and mirrors and trick plays because they really don't have anything, right? Yeah.

They're all, they're the guy at the poker. table now who's all bluff. And you're just, you're thinking, okay, is this a bluff? Is this a bluff? Bluff and they, but end of the day, they're going to shorten the game. They're going to run the football. And they're going to hope that a trick player, Tom Brady can win it. And I wouldn't, even though I don't think they're even close to the Chiefs or to the Ravens, or frankly, even the Texans who smoked them down in Houston.

In a one-win playoff game, they've been there 20 years in a row and it's worked. What you call it rigidity, I would call it a demand for excellence and attention to detail that is lacking, and it's not for lack of trying. They drafted a first-round draft pick wide receiver. He hasn't worked, and they had two very, very talented but troubled wide receivers who they had to jettison. Good stuff. The Doug or Doug Gottlieb, Fox Sports Radio after our show.

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We'll get to that in about six, seven minutes after heard hierarchy. I've got some thoughts on replay, how to fix it. Too much overreaching. Joy Taylor is joining me on a Tuesday. We're off tomorrow. I've never had a New Year's Day off. It's a resolution day for me. I already told Joy, well, my resolution was.

I'm not going to say it publicly. Last year, quit picking my fingernails. It worked. No. fingernail issues all year. You're very committed to New Year's resolutions. I remember you telling me last year, I know

was that, I think it was, it was a candy also you wanted to give up or something? That was maybe the year before. I am great at quitting things. I'm not always great at doing things, but to give up stuff, I'm great at it. Yeah, I don't mind quitting things. It's just

if I want to quit them. Like, for example, your New Year's resolution. I told you mine. I'm quitting something. I'm just not going to do that. Okay. We both do it. Right.

But it's a good resolution, though. Yeah. Years ago, a nutritionist told me, stop eating yogurt. It's not good for your stomach. I used to eat eight Greek yogurt a day. I didn't. The minute she said it, all I did was eat yogurt and peanut brittle. And the next day, I've never eaten a Greek yogurt.

I've never had a bite. I can do that, too. I used to drink like three or four Diet Cokes a day. And you stopped. And then I read an article and I was like, yeah, let's just not do that. anymore. Yeah, you don't want to die next month. So you start.

I just don't drink high. All right, here we go. Heard hierarchy. This is our last of this year. As we go into the playoffs, there are 12 teams in the playoffs. Two of them aren't even good enough. I think or have a lower ceiling or I don't trust in the playoffs in my top 10. So here we go.

Heard hierarchy. Time is now. Let's go. The top 10 NFL teams, according to college. Number 10. Okay, they may be an injury riddled stage coach, but Philadelphia has a ton of a playoff experience. Doug Peterson has been unbelievable in December and January games. They've won four straight and since week 14 during the streak. Their rush defense is top five. They're scoring

defenses top five. And I trust this team in big games. They've got a ceiling. They just Sean Jackson. I said it during the year. The minute he left, they can't beat you over the top. They can only win one way, which is why I don't think they can win a Super Bowl. But toughness, experience, coaching, Carson Wentz. I think there's just a Philadelphia, the city. There is an innate toughness with them, mental toughness, physical toughness, eagles at 10. Number nine. Tennessee's interesting.

Tennessee's not going to win the Super Bowl either. But offensively, they've won seven of their last 10. Marcus Marriott is gone. Ryan Tannihill is in. And since he's become starter, they're averaging 6.9 yards of play. That is number one in the NFL. They've got a deep receiver, a slot receiver, a good tight end, a power runner, a quarterback that can move or throw. They're a very dangerous offense.

I don't trust the back end of their defense. I think there's limitations. They always disappoint us in big spots. But when you're number one in the NFL in yards per play, that's a vagus number. That means at any time you can be outcoached and outplayed and pop the big play and get back in it, Tennessee at nine. Number eight. An inch ahead of them based just on experience, and they'll be playing at home, New England. I think New England beats Tennessee tight.

Listen, they did finish number one in the NFL in points allowed, 14 a game, and in total defense, they finished number one, 275 yards allowed a game, and turnover differential. So they're smart, they're experienced, they're at home, and for a game that works. They are simply not dynamic enough offensively, in my opinion, to win at Kansas City or at Baltimore. Number seven. Minnesota. Again, a lower ceiling team, but they did end the season, you know, one of the top six rushing teams.

I really like their defense. They're fourth in the NFL and takeaways. And that becomes big in the playoffs. You can win a couple of games when you take the ball away because you're going to get out, coach, you're going to have a bad series. But can you make up for it with a pick, with a hit, with a fumble, with a sack, their top five in sacks? A ceiling team whose roster I love, Minnesota at number seven. Number six. Green Bay, an inch above them.

And I mean, it's an inch. They've won five straight. Here's my knock on them. They've only got 13 takeaways all season. So they're not a physical team. They're a finesse team. And if they fall behind, they don't have the physical, I don't think they're athletic enough to go and just take the ball away from you.

But they do have Aaron Rogers. They don't make any mistakes. But I'll tell you what's troubling. During their five-game winning streak, Aaron Rogers is completing 57% of his throws. 85 pass for rating. Outside of Devante Adams, he doesn't trust any of these receivers, and they're not built to play from behind.

You always think Aaron Rogers is built to play from behind. I don't think this Green Bay offense is. I don't think they adjust terribly well. Their bottom half of the NFL and second half scoring, they've got to play a certain way to win, and that's with a lead. That's why I had Green Bay at only six. Number five.

Seattle. I think Seattle would beat Green Bay. Bay anywhere. Listen, they're 10 and two in one possession games. That's Russell Wilson and Pete Carroll. They are so good. And be honest, if it wasn't for a call or lack of, they could have been 11 and 2 in one possession games. Playoffs are about one possession games. Now, they've lost three of four. They're not as deep at running back. But again, Russell Wilson this year was magic. I'll just say it out. It's like it's college numbers at Wisconsin. 31 touchdowns, five picks. That's what he did at Wisconsin. 106 passer rating, three rushing touchdowns, and they are a great road team.

They are the best road team in the NFL, including New England. I think, I don't have the number in front of me. I think their last 21 or 22 road games in the Eastern Times on, they're like 17 and 4. Nobody travels like Seattle. They just go on the road, do their thing. Russell Wilson takes over, and it doesn't matter where they're playing. Home or away, they're great. Number four.

Kansas City. They've won six straight. healthier. I think the key to this is not just Mahomes. And by the way, these next four teams are really, really, really close. Their defense during their winning streak, only averaging 11 and a half points per game surrendering. That's it. Their defense is actually the story. Frank Clark's playing well. They went and got Frank Clark from Seattle, didn't do much in the first half of the season doing stuff now. Honey Badger, they're playing very, very good defensive football during their winning streak, 10 interceptions. They struggled with that. It

times last year. So it's not, we know Mahomes is great. We know Patrick had a terrific year, but they're hot, they're healthy, and their defense can now get the ball back to Patrick Mahomes. Number three. The New Orleans Saints. Again, inches not feet separating these.

I think the Superdome's a little better home field than Arrowhead. I think smart plus talented is hard to beat. If they had home field advantage, maybe I'd have them a slot higher. is making no mistakes.

They never turn the ball over. They rarely get penalized. They have a lot of takeaways. The only concern I have about New Orleans is when they go on the road, it reminds me of the old Utah Jazz with Stockton and Malone, when you're that dominant at home, there's a culture to it. There's a comfort to it. I'm not sure I trust them in San Francisco going on the road.

And they did lose to San Francisco. That's why I have them at three. Number two. I've got the Niners at number two. It's pretty obvious. Jimmy G., though not spectacular, has been very good in big spots. It's a tough division. They won it.

Jimmy G. this year, 27 touchdowns, 13 picks. Again, he's been very good when they've needed him. They're also second in rushing and points a game. And we all know why they're only second in rushing. The one thing I like about San Francisco, they can beat you a lot of ways. They can overwhelm you with their defensive front. They can pound the ball and play keepaway. Jimmy G. can throw it to Kittle and Emmanuel Sanders.

Any team that can win multiple ways is capable of winning a Super Bowl, and I think the Niners end up representing the NFC in Miami at the Super Bowl. Number one. Against the Baltimore Ravens. They're at home. They're hot. They're incredibly healthy. They're healthier than San Francisco.

And they beat San Francisco. They're the number one rushing team dating back, you know, like a decade. They're really doing everything right. And I've said it from beginning. It feels like the Cam Newton Carolina Panthers of 2015. They had this unique quarterback talent. The league's kind of trying to figure out how to do it. That kid, Cam or Lamar, is having an amazing year playing with confidence. The team was energized, playing at home, and very healthy. And you woke up and Cam was in the Super Bowl. And I think Lamar's going to end up in the Super Bowl. The difference is, I think Lamar's a much more accurate thrower of the football.

And I also think he is so absolutely focused on all the right stuff. I always had an issue with Cam and that. So I have Baltimore as my number one team. There you go. My hierarchy. Check them out on FS1 right there. I want to talk about this. Ohio State Clemson, a lot of complaints about replay.

Seattle, Seahawks, and San Francisco, you know, a lot of complaints. there should have been replant pass interference. So at the end of the game, Seattle throws the ball in the end zone. Jacob Hollister is mauled, it looks like, and there's no pass interference call, no replay, and here's Pete Carroll talking about it. Yeah, that was pass interference, and I think that they could have looked at that again in more depth.

If I'd had a time, I'd have called it just for that reason, just to give them time to make a choice, so they're not rushed, and hopefully clear heads prevail, and they can see it. But that's unfortunate. It was a big moment right there in the game. Let me say this. Ohio State, Clemson, Seattle, San Francisco. On average in big games, and this is a guesstimate by me, there's about three butchered calls. About three times a game, you're like, God, it's awful. Let's say four.

This was a miss call. That's why I think in both college and the pros, you should be able to have four replays to each team. That's it. Each team gets two replay flags. And then the league with three minutes left, you can still have yours left, or the league with three minutes left, college football or pro, the league, the sport, can use what I call is the umbrella rule. That any egregious mistake, the league can step in and go, we're just going to review this, it's bad. Now, I do think all scoring plays should always be reviewed. That stays. I would implement an umbrella rule for the last three minutes of any football game, anything that The sport, the head of officials, thinks needs to be reviewed, can't.

But outside of that, you get to a team, that's it. I couldn't remember the last game I watched was seven bad calls or eight. There's about two to three that are butchered, bad night, maybe four. You get two each, use them with discretion. We believe replay creates clarity. No, it just creates arguments because everything's exaggerated with replay. If you slow down the way I talked, you'd think I was having a stroke. But I tend to move my head this way when I talk.

Every small tug in a jersey feels like impediment. Every slap by a cornerback running a 4-5 looks like a massive piece of violence against a receiver. The NFL figured this out. They started taking away catches because replay made even solid catches. Just look like they were juggled because the ball moves within your arm. And the NFL finally said, you know what? The replay makes all catches look like non-catches. So you can move the ball when you have it because it does come unjarred.

Replay exaggerates everything. Any hit looks like a car wreck. Most aren't. Any catch looks juggle. Any small tugged looks worse. And in America, we like to argue. We like to argue about politics. We like to argue about sports.

We once had a six-week argument about an internet dress, gold or blue. That's what we do. But I do think we think replay creates clarity. But never forget, it exaggerates. And I think we would all admit college or pro, there's about three bad calls a game, let's say four. Each team gets two flags to take away the easy. egregious, then the sport, college or pro, has the right in the last three minutes, not four minutes or five in the last three, because a well-coached team has saved their

timeouts. So if you don't have the ball with three minutes left, you got a timeout, maybe a second, and a two-minute warning. If you can't get the ball back, that's a you problem. You didn't save your timeouts. You have a culpability too, not just the replay officials, not just the system. So my umbrella rule has always been give you a little more than two minutes,

give you about a three minutes, and if you've saved your timeouts and the call's bad, call a couple timeouts, get the ball back, two minute warning. But we're all caught up in this stuff. Listen, that Ohio State Clemson, when Trevor Lawrence got hit in the head, it looked like a marginal penalty. You know, you'll watch it in replay,

and it looks like he got earhold, and literally they're throwing everybody out of the stadium. replay didn't do Ohio State any favors. Now, I still thought in the moment I thought penalty, but God, it looked way worse with replay. And I think it's just creating more debates and more arguments, and it's tearing at the fabric of two sports I love, college and pro football, where we think there's agendas, we think it's terribly officiated. These sports are brilliantly officiated. But your coach isn't perfect, and your players aren't perfect. And the refs are human too, and they're not perfect either.

Use replay with discretion. Rarely. Coming up next, TJ Hushman Stata stops by on the mess in Cleveland, the Dallas Cowboys, about new coaches, what do they do,

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This linebacker. You know these kids. This linebacker walks up to me. He goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Time out. Quarterback on office blue with 42. Hey, ref, my mama want you to wave at her.

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With all the snacks and drink. Sidebar. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Oh, they had a bogo. Well, then you got it. Do you want a white collar or something here? Just hit it. What are y'all doing?

Microphones? Are you making a rap album? I would buy it. Cut through the defense like a hot knife through sponge cake. That sounds delicious. Oh, you're lucky. I'm not a drug addict. You're lucky I'm not an alcoholic.

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Here's all you need to know about how hard the playoffs are. Drew Breeze has played in 14 playoff games. He's 8 and 6. It's hard. It's hard to win playoff games. The best coaches, your team's beat up. The best quarterbacks you'll face. So I like New Orleans to beat Minnesota. They've had a couple of crazy games. I'll take Breeze. But he's 8 and 6 and 14. It is hard to win playoff. James. T.J. Hushmanzada over a decade in the NFL attended the Redskins at the Cowboys this past Sunday. So when you go to the game and you're watching the game, and we were talking about Jason Garrett, I do tend to think nice guys have slightly softer teams. He's a good guy. The

Cowboys feel like they're a tad finesse to me. They're not in, they're not as, there are certain teams like Baltimore feel tough. San Francisco feels tough. And their coaches are tough guys. Harbaugh, Shanahan, a little bit of Barkers. When you watched Dallas this week, what is your, they played great. What is your overall overarching feel about the franchise? It's number one, the Cowboys, and I thought this all year, defensively, they ranked pretty good. But their secondary doesn't scare me. Like if I was a receiver, I'm not scared to go against anybody in their secondary.

It doesn't fear me. The Cowboys in years past, they run the ball pretty well. Just this year, they got away from that. but statistically offensive, they're very good. What I took away from the game is, and I just point to one play, and it's a microcosm of the season, and now I see why he wasn't in on fourth down, is Amari Cooper makes that great catch.

When Dak just throws it up, he jumps over two guys. He gets up. It's no excitement. It's, oh, I just made a nice catch, no big deal. He goes to the sideline because he takes himself out of the game. Jason Garrett pushes him in the chest to get him height, and it's just like no passion, no desire. And you just made a big play in the game.

It was early in the game. And where is the excitement of making that play, get the teammates fired? He didn't have that. And you just feel the organization kind of lacks that? The organization can't give you that. There has to be a player. Somebody on the team, when Ray Lewis would play with the Baltimore Ravens, he got everybody excited just from his interest.

They went to field turf and they brought a pass. a grass out for them to eat. No, which player on the Cowboys offensively gets you excited that when they make a big play, they get the crowd into it, they get the rest of their teammates into it. You can't name one. So you'd get rid of Jason Garrett?

I don't know if I would get rid of him. Okay, there you go. See, that's interesting. I don't know if I would get rid of Jason Garrett. I don't know if I would. Who are you going to hire that is going to, if you do hire a coach, he better be a strong,

he better be completely opposite. strong personality is going to demand respect. Urban Meyer, does it work for you? 100% urban. But he's a college guy. He's had so much success that when the player, listen, players are like who are we going to hire as a coach? And when they see that Urban Meyer's been hired,

oh, man. They're going to start, Zeke, how is he, man? Is he cool? They're going to call Ezekiel. They write anybody that played under him. How is he as a coach? Because you want to know what you're getting yourself into. So Zique will become, you guys would all call Zee,

Oh, 100%. How is he? Is he cool? He's going to be tough on us? You want to know because that coach has to demand respect. From the time he gets hired, the players are going to be like, oh, oh, man, we got Urban Meyer and Zeke say he don't play. That's what you want.

I think it's so funny how players. Well, that's what we do in our business. We get a new boss. What's he like? Oh, he just fires people. We want information. Yeah, I mean, listen, Zeke should love Urban. Outside of that one game he complained, he used a lot of Zeke.

And even if Jason does come back, he has to come back from the first practice, the OTA, the players have to sense, oh, Jason Garrett is different. He ain't playing now. Yeah, I don't know if you can do that. You have to. You have to. And you can't keep doing what you're doing because you're going to keep getting the same result. And so he's going to have to change.

Everybody has a little dog in him. You just got to bring it out. So Jason Garrett just got to bring the dog out. Who let the dogs out? Ron Rivera, good coach. I think he made a bad decision. Kyle Shanahan is, I think, like, 16 and 4 when Jimmy Garoppolo coaches. He's 4 and 20 when Jimmy Garoppel doesn't play.

I said coaches, I mean quarterback. Belichick, fired in Cleveland, didn't get the quarterback. 5 and 11 in New England. Didn't have Brady. Pete Carroll fired twice, goes to Seattle, 7 to 9, 7 to 9, gets Russell Wilson. When you choose a job, Herm Edwards told me this one time. He goes, I'm still in the NFL. I'm not at Arizona State.

I'm not a TV analyst if I get a franchise 12-year quarterback. He goes, I got Chad Pennington, Chad had injuries. I get fired. Herm's like, go look around the lead. If you don't get the first or second best quarterback in a division, you're just not going to last more in your first contract. So I look at Ron Revere and Duane Haskins, and for me, I'm like, TJ. He got to face Carson Wentz twice a year, DAC twice a year, Daniel Jones.

I think he made a bad choice. Could that be his only choice? I'm sure his representatives looked around and said, and asked around and see if anybody else was interested. It could be as highly as you think of them. Other teams just weren't willing to hire them. Number one, number two, if you look at the Redskins, if they can convince Trent Williams to stay on that team,

the Redskins are very good on both sides of the ball up front. Offensive line, really good. Defensive line, really good. So right out the gate, they're going to be competitive with everybody because they're going to get better coaching with Ron Rivera because they can compete up front on both sides of the ball. So you don't think they're a rebuild as much as I do? No, they will need a receiver.

They're probably going to, they're going to need a running back. They got a good receiver from Ohio State, a number two kid that turned out to be great. McLaren, Terry McLaren, really good. Talking to people last week, they like the Sims kid from Kansas, undrafted. And so they have players. How good is Dwayne Haskins?

If he gets the type of coaching where he really understands coverage, he's going to have to put a lot of time in this offseason on just understanding the NFL game, it's very possible. Ron Rivera must see something that convinces him I can take this job and have success. I was saying this earlier. Let's do this Gardner-Minshu Baker thing with T.J. Hushmanzada. So I said, how you enter a franchise matters.

If you go undrafted and you're drafted number one, you'll be given far more chances at number one. Because the GM... Oh, yeah. Okay. So if you look at Gardner, Minshu and Baker, their final college season, I'm showing the FS1 audience,

is virtually identical. They played in the same offense. One played for Mike Leach, one played for a disciple of Mike Leach. They both play in conferences. They both play in conferences that are not known for defense for offense. By the way, they're both 6-1-2-20.

They both at the conference. Combine. Wow. Baker was slightly faster, 48, 5 to 4.9, but Minchu had a better vertical by 4 inches. Three cone drill was the same. So athletically, size, stat, same guy.

Their senior years, statistic, same guy. They're both transfers. The difference is Baker played with far better players in college than Minshue. And the other difference is, Minshue in front of a mic doesn't say the wrong thing, and throws fewer picks. He's got better intuitive judgment. But when I look at Baker Mayfield,

everybody wants to fix him. Is it possible that he's just Gardner Minchew? This is what he is. Baker has high expectations because you're the first pick. And then when you're the first pick and you talk to way Baker talks, you have to play better. You just have to,

you can't talk the way Baker talks and then play how he's playing. And you're the first pick. When Hugh got fired, And Greg William takes over, Freddie Kitchen moves into the office of coordinator. He played so well down the stretch his rookie year that expectations this year were really high on Baker. He did not come close to reaching him. And he talked so much that it was like, bro, you're not even that good.

But his expectations that everybody put on him and the expectations because of the way he talks, they're up here. And you look at what do you save him? He has to save himself. and he's going about it the wrong way. Oh, I'm not going to hire a private quarter. You need to hire somebody that is going to tell you, oh, you stink today. Like, what you're doing isn't working. A private?

Yes. Yes. It's an investment. Make an investment in yourself so that you can reap a refund on that. You can grow that, basically, investment. Well, Russell Wilson. Everybody does it. Oh, everybody does?

Every quarterback, all the top quarterback. I've seen. Garoppelow, Dak, just this offseason alone, Garoppolo, Dak, Matt Ryan, Jared Gough, Matthew Stafford. I can name five or six more that are out here months at a time. James Winston. Out here? Out here.

All summer long. With their own private quarterback coach. Yes. And they all have the same one, but they have different times that they work with them. And so Jordan, he works with Sam Darno, Josh Allen, Deshaun Watson, all these different kids. And so you have to do it if you want to succeed because what you're doing isn't working.

You're doing it your way? That's not working. You like the Patriots this weekend? I do not. They only have two guys on offense that people respect, and that's Brady and Edelman. I don't think you're wrong. I think it's going to be really,

I'll take New England. I don't feel good about it. I think Tennessee's got all hard to bet against New England, but eventually they're going to start to lose, and I believe this is going to be the season. this weekend. TJ Hushman's out. A good seeing you, bud.

Thank you. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Tennessee's offense is better. You can't even argue that. Tennessee's offense is better than New England.

That's not even arguable. I like Tennessee to cover. Oh, it's like four and a half, absolutely. Yeah. No, it's not a crazy. I'm not ready to say that they're going to lose. You've been burned too many times, but Tennessee's got way better offensive firepower. Not close.

I will say this. I wouldn't be shocked. There you go. is how you need to play on the road in the playoffs. No mistakes. And they run the ball very well. Under seven penalties, only one turnover run the ball. Then Tennessee wins a game.

I do have to say if I watch Ryan Tanna Hill beat Tom Brady in a playoff game, I might faint. Tanny Hills. That would be a lot for me. He's that quarterback time Miami wish they still had now. That's right. Well, when the Browns fired Freddie Kitchens, the Haslam said that they didn't see opportunities to improve with him as the coach, Jarvis Landry seemed to back up that statement saying he felt like the team lacked leadership in

2019. I just think that, you know, there are always times in seasons where things happen. You know, guys get hurt, off the field issues, you know, a bunch of different things happen, you know, in crucial points in the game, breaking points of the game, being able to hold your composure, being able to, you know, talk to each other, treat everybody in respect. But, you know, I just think at times, you know, there was a lack thereof. That seems like a fair statement because from the outside looking in, it didn't seem like there was a lot of leadership or just overall discipline with the Browns this year. That is the truest words ever spoken.

From week, even in the preseason, there was like a week two or three preseason game, if I recall. And you were like, wow, they're talented, while they're undisciplined. We saw that in September. Yeah. Well, Des Bryant thinks Baker Mayfield actually deserves most of the blame for the firing. after Kitchens was let go, he tweeted, Baker Mayfield plays the biggest part in this, had a stud cast around him,

underperformed, and got outperformed by somebody he talked down on Danny Dimes. Big mouth and being a one-reed quarterback is not going to cut it. Kitchens put the game in his players' hands. I will say that. It did feel like Kitchens was not the captain of the ship throughout the season. It always felt like this was Baker's team in whatever way Baker went, was how it would go. And this tone that Baker says,

a lot to what T.J.'s talking about and a lot to what Doug was talking about earlier. You can come in, what I did like about Baker coming into the NFL was that he had a chip on his shoulder. I think you have to have that when you're a player like Baker Mayfield. But all of us in some way

have a chip on our shoulder. Most people have had somebody tell you know or you've been fired or you've been cut or you've been traded. Like there's something about you that has put something in you that keeps you, driving to be better every day. But you can't allow that to become the core of your personality. And that's what it is now. It has to be a little thing on your shoulder, a little whisper in your

ear, not the guiding force of every decision that you made. I've also, I've met people in my life that think if you don't speak the truth all the time, you're inauthent. And my takeaway is you should always be honest, but sometimes you have to be a politician in certain jobs. I can't always tell you who I think stinks in my profession because that's just not politically right. It's not good for my company, it's not good for us. Baker's got to mature and understand. Sometimes you go to the mic and you can think something, but to your point, you don't have to say everything you think.

Well, win the war. He's always trying to win a battle. Win the war. Everything is not going to yield results in that moment. Getting into it with Cleveland reporters is not going to solve anything. And I think that was just the tone for the entire season. And it's, again, I don't think it's all on Baker because I think he came into a situation where there is no culture.

He didn't hire. And even if you are a very highly functioning person who is self-motivated and, you know, you can make your own schedule and you can take care of yourself and you can work out on your own, when you're in an environment of chaos, it eventually is going to affect you. Like your environment affects you. Drew Locke went 4 and 1 in his first NFL season and said that he thinks he's done enough to remain the starter in 2020. John Elway agrees, but he's not extremely confident about it. Well, I mean, I don't see any options right now. I mean, obviously, he finished and did a heck of a job. He won four out of five games and played well, but he still has a long way to go.

He's got a lot of work to do, but we're excited about where Drew is. And so, you know, don't like to show her hand, but I think it's unrealistic to say that we're going a different direction. Not the strongest endorsement from John Lowe. And that's what I would say. He showed me things. I don't love him. I think he's got a really good arm. He's a little undisciplined.

he's a little wild for me, but there's something there. There's a little baker quality where I'm not sure I trust him in big spots, but he's got an arm on him. He does. And what I like about Drew Locke is Drew Locke has got a little, he's got a little dog in him. He's got a little edge to him.

And I like the way that the Broncos play this year. I mean, for the most part, we just counted them out of every game. They got job by the Bears. They got job by the NFL in the Bears game. So give him another win. They also lost, I think, two other games on the final kick. Maybe it was that game, too. This game, this team is one of the rare teams in the NFL.

They were better than their record. Yes. They are no question about two to three wins better than their record. So I don't mind their roster. I think left tackles an issue. They got to figure that out. No, they have some roster spaces they need to upgrade, obviously. But I like the Broncos this year, and I like that they stayed steady.

Joe Flacco has two years left on his contract, but he's on the IR and will probably need surgery. Finally, Levyon Bell did not make the immediate impact the Jets hoped for when they signed him to a four-year deal. And Adam Gase was asked if Levyon. If he wanted Levion to be back in 2020, and this was his answer. He's under contract for three more years. You can ask Joe tomorrow. Do you want him? You can ask Joe tomorrow.

I'm not the personnel. I'm not charged personnel. Yeah, not great. Leveon did not think it was great either. He responded to the video of this with a clip of Michael Scott looking very unhappy. Listen, it, gay, Can't stand the reporter who asked the question. And that's part of it.

That's not available. I think Gase is awful at a microphone. He doesn't care that I think that. I mean, we can't crush Baker for acting like that. And then you're the head coach of the New York Jetson. I mean, this is Levyon Bell. Come on. You got to be a little, again, you have to occasionally be political. Just a little bit.

We all already know the answer to this question. Of course Leveon's going to be back. Yeah. And I thought, by the way, I think Levyon's been a great teammate this year. And he's a great talent. He's a really good football player, and I like him, and he's welcome on the show. And I think his reputation, even people in Pittsburgh, still like him. Levion is great.

And he's going to have a big season next year. There's a lot that went on with the Jets. And he can catch passes from Darnel. And he's going to be back whether Gase has in charge of personnel or not. All right, good stuff. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Very excited to talk to Jane Slater, part of the Hurt Podcast Network, NFL Network, terrific reporter who covers the Cowboys. She just told me off the air that kind of, they want to throw her out of the facility because she's so nosy and she's trying to get all these scoops. She's joining us in Dallas v. the Cowboy Global Satellite Network.

So, I mean, you know, we were arguing this morning as a staff, we said, Jerry doesn't want anybody tell him how to run his business. And everybody's telling Jerry, he's got to fire Jason Garrett. And my gut feeling is Jerry's saying, you're not going to tell me what to do with Jason Garrett. So, Jane, you tell us what is happening to Jason Garrett at this moment. Well, it's our understanding that he, is in a meeting with Jerry and Stephen Jones.

I haven't been able to confirm that that's happening, but we were told that that meeting was happening at noon. So what I can tell is he walked in the building about 9.30, 9.45 this morning. I'm told he had a large binder in his hand. Now, yesterday he spent most of the day interviewing players as part as their normal exit interviews. He was finishing those up today. When he walked out of that meeting, he told people in the building that a decision hadn't yet been made. And then I was told today he walked around hugging staffers and people in the

this building and said things like, I need your contact information so we can stay in touch. So read from all of that what you will. It certainly feels like this thing is inevitable, given that when I talked to players yesterday, they characterized his team speech as one that sounded like him saying goodbye without actually using the word. But it certainly feels like if you're going to move on from your head coach and you've got a coach waiting in the wings, why not just tell him what his fate is going to be? It just hasn't happened yet. And he's continued his head coaching duties and maybe that's because his contract goes to January 14th call and I don't think a lot of us have made a lot of sense of it just yet. Let's talk about Urban Meyer.

I've been told that Urban would strongly consider it though he's more college than pro. Can you confirm anything with Urban Meyer? Here's what I can confirm. There's a very real interest there. I reported this that within the last three months without getting into too many specifics, Stephen Jones had a meeting with Urban Meyer. Now Jerry Jones went on 105 through the man a few weeks ago and he turned he didn't he said that that wasn't the case but he also said that they wouldn't not be interested in a guy like him so again make of that what you will he also said some confusing statements about his thoughts on hiring a college coach to come in and and man this NFL team but maybe the reason we haven't heard anything about uh jason garrett's future is maybe

one of the guys waiting in the wings is actually in one of the bowl games uh it's just like I said it's very confusing you saw the Redskins they had a coaching committee in place They were able to pull the trigger as soon as the season was over and obviously bringing a guy like Ron Rivera into the building. Right now, you just have to wonder, as you continue to play this thing out, are the Cowboys going to be playing musical chairs and be the last one standing? Or do they have a gentleman's agreement with somebody else? I also like in this situation very similar to Tony Romo. You know, they have such a good relationship with their players and their coaches.

It's one of the best things about them, but it's also one of the more frustrating things. Jason Garrett, it's not in common for you to see them at Super Bowls, hanging out with the Jones family, enjoying sitting at their table and dancing the chain smokers and things along those lines. And, you know, they've got such a great relationship. Jerry Jones made him a head coach. This is one of his projects. With that being said, I think he has had a hard time with this, very similar to why it

took so long for them to say goodbye to Des Bryant, why it took so long for them to finally release Tony Romo. And I think you can make the argument that all of that time spent not releasing Tony Romo gave him plenty of time to think about whether he wanted to play for the Texans or the Broncos, and then not releasing Des Bryant sooner than you did, allowed him to sort of get out of playing shape, but also sort of think in his mind that there was a possibility there's still a chance in Dallas. And I don't think emotionally he ever really got over it. So you hope that given their respect for Jason Garrett, they don't do that in this situation,

that if they're in fact not going to move forward with them, they allow him to move on and start getting involved in some of these coaching searches right now, namely that one up, in New York. Finally, about 90 seconds left. What was the vibe in the locker room after the win? You win, but you're not going to go to the playoffs. What was it like? It was rough, especially a guy like Michael Gallup,

who had such a tough game the week before, fourth and eight. You know, they decided to go with the two tight-in set. They leave Amari Cooper out of there, and then they put it all in the second year kids' hands. And he comes up short. He had told me he'd gone around the locker room, apologizing to everyone.

And then, of course, then the next game comes up with three touchdowns, and it all sort of felt all for not. these cowboys were in control of their destiny nearly all season and then they get beat by the Eagles in week 16 and then get beat by them twice in week 17. It's just it's unfortunate given the talent on this roster and all of the expectations. I was on your show during training camp telling you about all the depth on this roster. The fact that they couldn't put it together probably one of the more confusing, frustrating and weirdest things about 2019 here in Dallas and something that is I know aggravated Jerry Jones all season long. By the way, that's the stadium right behind you. It's a beautiful facility down there, folks.

If you can ever go down to that area, Arlington, stunning facilities. You can see Jane Slater there. It's beautiful there. That is the stadium right behind you? This is actually the training facility. Believe it or not, this is where the players practice inside the bubble. This is the Ford Center at the Star. And then also the Frisco high schoolers get to use this.

So, yeah, it's pretty awesome around here. And you should see all of the fans that come out here and do tours throughout the facility. It's nonstop. We're in the media room where they have the podium, and you sort of feel like you're at the zoo or at a fishbowl because you'll have all these visitors come by and look through the windows and they're taking pictures. It's an interesting dynamic, Dallas,

and covering this beat, that's for sure. Jane, great stuff. Thank you so much. Jane Slater, NFL Network, based out of Dallas, Texas, does a terrific job. Yeah, the facilities down there are, reminds when I used to live in Oregon, and Phil Knight was obviously the number one booster of Oregon. The facilities at Oregon were just absurd.

It looks like an airport. I confuse the practice facility with the stadium. Yeah, they got libraries there and workout rooms. Well, you know, the Urban Meyer situation, I still contend the New York Giants job is the best job available. You have a non-meddling owner. I don't think it's a rebuild offensively. I think you would get Daniel Jones.

I think you'd get Sequin Barclay. I don't think the offensive line's terrible, and you've got some nice, workable pieces. Evan Ingram, Sterling Shepard, Golden Tate. and I think you could work on defense with those picks, and there's two great Ohio State Buckeyes available in the first round. So, I mean, listen, he knows those Ohio State personnel players, the Big Ten players. So I think Urban to the New York Giants would be amazing.

Now, for a year, you'd have to work with Dave Gettelman, but I don't think Gettlement would be long for the Giants if Urban came in. It'd be a one-and-done situation. So I think the Giants job is underrated. Cowboys job is not a terrible job. It's a good job. you have to come to terms with. Jerry's going to make the final say and hold the press conferences.

We've normalized it. It's not normal. It's not what owners should do, but it is part and partial to the Dallas Cowboys. Coming up, hour number three. A lot of show before we take tomorrow off. Go to MDrive for Men.com. The code is heard 20% off. Clinically tested ingredients.

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Seahawks, one of my favorite guests just every yesterday was just fireworks around here. We needed the local police department fire people to cool the place down. Before we get to that, you have great relationships. I saw something yesterday and I saw your buddy Alonzo Highsmith all over the internet. He's going to Miami and I'm like, wait, he's in Cleveland. And my first thought was, uh-oh. I just saw a story that came down five minutes ago that John Dorsey could be fired. So Alonzo's very respected.

I know you have- Great personnel, man. Really, down in the U, he is a legend down there. So it would be a terrific opportunity. More college teams are using this NFL front office model where they're having a legitimate GM type come in and help them with recruiting. Because Zoe is so respected as an evaluator, because he's basically legendary at the U,

it would be a great fit if they bring him in. Okay, so I'm John Dorsey. the GM, word is he could get fired today, may retain the job, but my takeaway on him has always been. You reached on the quarterback, you reached on the coach, and you traded your second best offensive lineman. Those are your three big decisions, and you whiffed on him. That's what you get judged on, right? Yeah, you get judged on that. I would say this. John Doris is an excellent and excellent evaluator. People will talk about the personality and does he get along with people in the office. I would say, like, having been in Green Bay when he was there as a scout,

having been around him and basically call him a friend. Look, I think he understands how to build a team. There's no denying on paper that Cleveland Browns have a ton of talent. I will say that for whatever reason, the pieces of the puzzle didn't necessarily fit. But if he does stay, if he is given an opportunity to kind of fix what's missing with the team, I think this team can't compete at a high level. But from a cultural standpoint, there is something going on in Cleveland

that has to be addressed. And if it's a new head coach, whoever that new head coach is coming in, he has to be a leader. I think the most important thing that he has to be able to do is to lead the group, give them a vision,

and get them to carry it out. When you hear Jarvis Landry talk about we need leadership, just leadership. It's official. It just happened. Okay, here we go. Breaking news.

John Dorsey's out. Wow. Couldn't come to an agreement on his future, So Baker Mayfield's got a new GM and a new, well, and a new coach. So Dorsey is out officially. Wow. Now, when you talk about the quarterback, all bets are off now. What does that mean?

Well, all bets are off. So now your coach has already been fired and now the guy who picked you has been fired. So whoever comes in is not going to be as invested in Baker. In Baker. So it's a wake-up call for Baker-Mayfield because now it is basically a prove-it year. It is when he comes back as the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns, whatever he puts on the field, whatever he puts on tape in 2020, that is going to be his resume.

If he doesn't play well, they're going to look to move on. And so everybody has to perk up. All intents are up now because when you get rid of the coach and the GM, it's a new direction. It's a new direction of the franchise. And it also tells me that whoever's coming in as a head coach is going to have the power to reshape the entire operation I don't know who's out there to do that,

but it's a major move for the Cleveland Brown. All right. So Baker Mayfield's two allies, because they hired Freddie Kitchen because he was Baker's guy. Yep. He's gone. And the general manager who drafted him is gone. So as Bucky is saying,

there's no loyalty to Baker now. That nonsense? It won't be. There won't be any loyalty towards him. There won't be anyone who is as invested in Baker's growth and progress than John Dorsey. So now it's a scary proposition because from this point, forward, Baker would have to get what he earns. And so we're not saying that he can't do it, but he's definitely not a made man anymore.

He's not protected. By the way, I'm dead serious on this. If I was given, you know, what about Eric Mangini for that job? What about you? No, no, no, no, no. Eric Manjini already had the job. He can't go back. He can't go back to Cleveland.

I will say this. I will say this. Mike McCarthy is the perfect guy for the job. GM2? Well, I don't know about GM, but maybe bringing his own personnel guy. Here's why I would say this. The coach who takes over this team, I don't think it can be a learning curve. It can't be your first job.

You can't try and figure out how do I manage all this. It needs to be an experienced guy who has dealt with it. I don't know if there's a better coach out there with a resume, Mike McCarthy. Mike McCarthy is not only one games like, look, behind Belichick and Mike Tomlin in terms of winning percentage during that span. But when you look at what he's been able to do with quarterbacks, Aaron Rogers, you think he can't come into the room, and Baker Mayfield is talking about, oh, I don't need a coach,

I can fix it, no, no, no. I've dealt with better. I've coached better. Here's how we're doing it going forward. You need to have someone who has pelts on the wall who can not only handle the quarterback, but can handle the strong personalities. I think Mike McCarthy could do the job.

Let's go to the Dallas Cowboys, Urban Meyer. I've known Herman for years. He's a college coach. Like Pete Carroll, Pete Carroll, had NFL experience, went to college, then back to the NFL. Urban's got all college experience. I think he's very learned, very smart. Do you think it's a gamble?

Because Urban has now, according to Jane Slater, your network, NFL network, interviewed with Dallas. We know he's a great personnel guy. We saw Ohio State play the other night. Those are all his players. We know he can coach. We know he's got CEO leadership skills. He teaches a leadership class at Ohio State.

But is it a risk because Urban, unlike Pete Carroll, has no history in the NFL? No. If Jerry Jones really wants to take the Dallas Cowboys to the next level, Irma is the guy who should be the coach. And the reason why I say this is, look, Justin, being around him here, he exudes what a CEO, a leader, a head coach should be. His confidence, the resume speaks for itself.

Every place that he has been, he is won. The turnaround has been immediate. He understands that the head coach, it's not about the schematics. It's about the leadership standpoint. And I love the fact that when you looked at him in college, he didn't coach offense or defense. He under the special teams. He understands how to manage people.

He understands how to manage the coaching staff. And this team is just lacking the extra stuff, the direction. I just believe in a four or five year window, he would maximize what the Dallas Cowboys could be and should be in the National Football League. How about that? Ron Rivera took the Washington job. he's got the fourth best quarterback in his division.

Kyle Shanahan is 16 and 4 with Garoppolo, 4 and 20 without him. Belichick fired, couldn't get the right coach. Pete Carroll fired twice, couldn't get the right quarterback. I said Belichick coach, right quarterback. You cannot win with a third or fourth best quarterback in a division. Well, hold on now. We're talking about a rookie quarterback in Duane Haskins. And the pop that we also saw from Jared Gough when people thought about he was a bust.

A lot of it is coaching. I think the main thing when you're talking about Dwayne Haskins, because I think you've had Urban, and you talked to Urban Meyer about Dwayne Haskins, and you talked about the special qualities that he's ass. I think when you have Dwayne Haskins, it's important that the offensive coordinator can build the offense around his strengths.

He's a classic pocket passer. He needs to play in a vertical passing game that is complemented with a dominant running attack. When I look at the Washington Redskins and I look at how Ron Rivera built the Carolina Panthers, very, very similar. Cam had running ability, but in the end, it was dominant run game, a physical smash mouth running attack.

Defense led the way. And then you have the quarterback that can make plays. If he builds it in that light, I think they can win games in Washington. All right, fair enough. So you're okay with it. I'm okay with Dwayne Haskins, absolutely. I don't know enough about him. I hear he's not a grinder.

I know he didn't. No, look, everybody that plays that position, you have to make a decision. Do I want to be a celebrity or do I want to be a celebrity? or do I want to be a dominant and elite NFL quarterback? If you want to be an elite quarterback, that means you've got to bypass some of the other stuff, some of the endorsements, some of the celebrity stuff, to do all the dirty work.

And so that's a decision that he will have to make, and that will be a conversation that I'm sure Ron Rivera will have with Dwayne Haskins very early in the tenure. Who do you want to be? What do you want to accomplish? Because if you really want to win the ring, you have to be a guy that is the first one in, last one out. Yeah, because the reputation now is that's not the case.

And look, and so sometimes that can change. But look, he has to understand new coach in town. You've got to step up your game if you can be the franchise quarterback. By the way, Vicks Synex nasal spray starts within minutes, works up to 12 hours. Bucky Brooks, final question. I trust your personnel abilities. You played, you scouted at a high level. What you're out on Brady.

Give me two things you see as a talent evaluator that are, just not about his receivers. His accuracy has changed. He's missing more layups than we've ever seen him. Missing more laps. The second thing, pressure didn't use to affect Brady and his production. In fact, when you blitz Brady, you paid for it. Oh, that was the rep forever.

This year, we're seeing the pressure, the blitz that coming after him affects him more than it ever has. Some of that is on the receivers, but a lot of it is really on him. Now, in saying that, can he have a magical performance? Yes, but can he sustain it over a three or four game run to win a Super Bowl? No. The New England Pages have revealed who they are by the way they play down the stretch. This is a team that they have to do everything to get explosive plays. We've seen more trick plays, gadgets, anything to deliver these chunk plays

because they can't manufacture it in their normal offense. And so it's just very, very tough for them. So the magic number to me, whenever the Patriots play, 24. If they get to 24 points, they win. If the other team gets to 24 points, the other team is going to win. This offense just doesn't generate enough plays. And Tom Brady is responsible for some of that. It's not all on him, but he's responsible for a lot of it.

By the way, coming up in 20 minutes are sports, New Year's resolutions. I think you get a laugh out of them. Bucky Brooks is always money. Great seeing you. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

Paul will get to the Browns news in just a second. We'll show us some Bears news. Bears GM, Ryan Pace is announced at Mitchell Trubisky will remain the starter for next season. So the organization believes in Trubisky, but also acknowledged he has some work to do. Yeah, a little bit. The first thing that comes to mind for me is just consistency.

You see moments, you see games, but for him stringing together better consistency. So you had the piece finale. We just need to flatten that out. Well, they've made some moves to, at least in their mind, move that forward. They fired four offensive coaches today. Oh, they did. They're offensive coordinator, the tight ends coach, the offensive line coach,

and the special team and a special team's assistant. Boy, boy, oh, boy, oh, boy. So they blamed all the coaches. Well, in a situation like this, you can't really fire the player. 2020 is the last year of Chubriski's rookie contract. The team has not decided if they're going to pick it up, his fifth year option for 2021. He also may need surgery on his non-throwing shoulder this offseason. Not an exciting answer from the Bears.

I don't love this. I've never been a big Trubisky guy to begin with. Yeah. Or girl. But it's just not aggressive. And I feel like they're in a very win now situation because their defense is great. Yeah. I think their defense is an elite.

and you just don't have we talk about windows championship windows all the time it's like the other side of the ball is ready to go once you have to start paying all those defensive players then your offensive lines suffer so that's why when you get the quarterback that's young and you don't have to pay them a fortune that's when you can really like russell wilson they were bringing in percy harvin cliff averil you can overpay for free agents i just feel like there's going to be a lot of veteran quarterbacks on the market who other teams are moving off of or are willing to move off of with a with a little bit of trade movements like Teddy Bridgewater like there's a lot of names out there I feel like they could just make a

little bit of an aggressive move with him still being on his rookie contract but clearly they're not well the Browns are being aggressive John Dorsey has been let go they apparently could not come to an agreement on a restructure Tom Pelliserro of NFL Network said that they were suggesting the owners were suggesting a structural change that would curb Dorsey's authority as G. He won't take that. That's why Kansas City, he wanted more power and they wouldn't give it to him. He declined, and they have parted ways. They've come to an agreement and parted ways. All right. So Kitchens is out. Dorsey is out. And one top head coaching candidate has already said no to the Browns. That's Matt Rule. He's reportedly declined in interview to be Cleveland's next head coach. That's amazing. And he said today he's planning on staying at Baylor.

Matt Rule took a dumpster fire at Baylor. The school was on fire. He turned it around and he's like, I don't want any piece of Cleveland. Why would he? It's Baylor. I mean, eighth best job in the Big 12? Maybe not to him. I mean, it's better than going to the NFL and getting fired after a year.

Yeah, well, I mean, this is where Cleveland fans, they live in this Rust Belt bubble. They just don't get it. People who don't get it, don't get it. They just keep thinking the answer is firing everybody. you're, look at Matt rules a great candidate. He's like, I won't even interview with them. I want a college coach in the Big 12, not to Oklahoma or Texas. I won't, I won't even interview with you.

I've been saying this since this became a conversation about whether they were going to move off of Freddie Kitchens or not. Mike McCarthy, to me, is the only guy for this job. He's proven. He's worked with a Hall of Fame level quarterback in Aaron Rogers. Yes, I understand them parting ways wasn't the most friendly. of partings, but that happens. They had a lot of success together.

He's a leader. He's respected. Nobody in that building can say anything to him. It's the perfect situation. Now, does Mike McCarthy want those problems? I don't know. I think Mike McCarthy would take that job. To me, if I'm Mike McCarthy, that's the ultimate challenge. If he's given full control, which now Dorsey is out, he may be able to bring in his own

GM. By the way, and you've worked with Favre and Aaron Rogers. Now you get Baker Mayfield. he's seen the best that the NFL can offer. He's going to have about one minute of patience with Baker Mayfield. Wasn't Baker kind of compared to Farrv a little bit? For people who are drunk. But I mean, when you have gone from Farr to Aaron Rogers,

you're going to get Baker Mayfield one mistake. And you're going to be like, dude, you're 5-11 and a half and not athletic. Baker already has one mistake left. This is it. Just like Bucky just said, like this is the year. This is the most right I've ever been on anything in my life. in the history of right wrong. You were pretty right about it.

I was on the other side. Finally, LeBron James and Tom Brady have been the two most dominant athletes in their sports throughout their careers. And LeBron says he's definitely keeping tabs on Brady over the years. I mean, I definitely pay attention to what Brady does. I mean, how could you not?

One of the greatest football players ever walked the face of the earth. And, you know, he is counted out every year, pretty much. And I'm saying you can't do this. or do that. He just try to continue to put his franchise and their franchise in position to be successful. The greatest thing about Tom has never been about him. There's never been about him.

And the success has come with just him being selfless and him just doing his job. And you can appreciate that and you can appreciate his longevity of him just putting into work. Most of what he said I agree with, except for the part where he's doubted every year. They were the favorites coming in to Houston. Let's not make Tom a story. system quarterback in year. We acknowledge Tom was good.

I mean, I do think that throughout the year, there's this narrative that comes up every single year, and it certainly has been this year, that Tom Brady is done and it's over and the dynasty is over. We've been having that conversation for 10 years. Eventually, we're going to be right when he retires. Right. But coming into the year, they're always the favorites, as they should be. But the two of them are, you know, I think if you are, I mean, I've suffered at the hands

of Tom Brady for a while. and, you know, LeBron is a very polarizing player. But I do feel like we are, we're blessed to have been able to experience LeBron, James, and Tom Brady's careers. The only great athlete I never saw play was Sandy Kofax. I even got Wilk for an hour. I mean, I'm lucky. I've seen, I got Jordan and his prime, Magic, LeBron, Brady, Montana. This is the thing about all the fighters that you got to cover and see.

I got Ali. I got Tyson, I got Sugar Ray. Sandy Kofx of the Dodgers is the only great player. He and Mickey Mantle that I never saw. that I really, I wish I could have seen how dominant Sandy Kofax was. I got the old wilt with a headband in Los Angeles in 1972, and they were good, and he was good. But, you know, I just feel lucky to be able to a sport. Can you imagine being a sportscaster in like the 40s?

Well, I mean, they had some people, you know. You got like Babe Ruth and Jackie Robinson. Like, there's still a lot of legends. But I do think that we, we, the two of them, Tom Brady and LeBron James. I mean, again, like Brady had his deflake aid or whatever. but you can't go. There's really great examples of absolute. You can't go 18 years or 20 years without a stubble.

Like LeBron's had a couple of like blowups with Co. Folks, they're human. Like everybody's got a bad. I mean, Derek Jeter left to sport an hour later. We're like, he's a terrible owner. Like it's hard. Living is hard. But just the longevity of both of their careers is really maybe the most remarkable part of it.

Joy Taylor of the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurdard. I think you'll like this next. Coming up, it's New Year's Eve. Everybody makes their resolutions. I've already made mine for the upcoming year.

I'll try to at least get a week out of it. How about sports resolutions? The biggest stars in sports. What should their resolutions be? That's coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the I-Hard Radio app. Discover matches all the cash back you earn at the end of your first year automatically

with no limit discover.com slash cashback match. Well, we call it best for last. You know, it's new year's resolution time. I've always been pretty good at stopping things, not necessarily energized enough to do new things, like learn a language or something that I don't have sometimes the patience or the ability to just stop my life

and learn something new. But I'm good at stopping stuff. Stop eating, stop doing, bad habits. So we thought, what about these 2020 sports, New Year's resolution. All right. First on the resolutions list, Baker Mayfield. More football, fewer commercials.

Let your play make you a star, and then you can amplify it with really cool marketing. But when you do the commercials before you're a star, you make yourself a target and you get mocked. Baker, just tell Progressive, I'm going to take you. a year off, win a few games, or these commercials will make you look like a big joke. The Los Angeles Rams. Be more honest, like honest Abe. You're moving into a new stadium. Be honest about Todd Gurley.

Stop deflecting. The coach says, I just, I'm an idiot. That's why I don't play him. He's either healthy or hurt. 20 carries one week, six the next. 13, one half, two the next. Be honest to the fans, be honest to us, and most of all, be honest to yourself. That's the most important thing.

Okay, draft another running back. Eat salary for a year, but be honest about the Todd Gurley situation. How about fans? Stop blaming the refs. It's not the refs fault. You had 13 penalties. Hey, Seattle, you had to delay a game that took the ball from the one to the six. That's not the refs fault.

That's an inexcus. coaching and offensive play calling fault. Ohio State, Clemson averaged almost eight yards of play. You had two interceptions. You had a whiff and a block punt. And you threw a pick in the last play of the game and your quarterback had nine seconds to throw. Stop blaming the refs and replay. Let the church say amen.

Jerry Jones. Your New Year's resolution is meet new people. Not just people who are former cowboys. Six former players of the cowboys are on the coaching staff. Hire from outside the family. This has been something I've seen my entire life. When you hire family, it's hard to fire family. And frankly, the Cowboys are a global brand.

Shouldn't you have global job searches, not hiring people down the street? I agree. How about Antonio Brown? New Year's resolution, less social media. I don't want to hear about your relationships when they're good or when they're bad. I don't care what you young athletes had for lunch. I don't care where you party. I don't care who you date.

Now, if you want to be funny or do charitable stuff, I'll even be okay with political opinions. Keep out of the personal stuff. We don't need to know everything about you. I mean, I do like food pictures. Hey, listen, I take mountain pictures. Yeah, or workout videos. We're very into workout videos. Hey.

I want to make sure you're working out. When I'm these Alaska pipelines I got, believe me, I like to show them to the company. Braun James. You're the athlete of the decade. You're the king. Share the spotlight a little more. I mean, when Anthony Davis and Kevin Hart have that run in on the sideline, it's funny. You don't need to rush over and be part of it.

Let Anthony Davis and Kevin Hart have their little funny moment. There's no reason for you to rush over and be part of it. Just like LeBron, just like let somebody else occasionally have the funny line or be in the spotlight. We got another five years of you scoring points. You're going to beat Kareem and become the all-time leading score. Share the spotlight a little more. Yeah, he got to let them have that moment. Adam Silver.

I like you, Adam Silver, and I love the NBA. But try embracing college basketball. I know Zion because he played at Duke. If you went from high school to the G League, wouldn't know who the heck he is. The NFL embraces college football, and so when Baker and Sam and Reggie Bush and Tebow come to the league, they've been marketed for years.

Stop trying to destroy college basketball. It's free marketing. You ever seen how many people watch March Madness? More than your playoffs. College basketball's got its faults. I admit, but it's not much of a sacrifice for any young basketball star for nine months to go to Kentucky, be treated like gold, and then be marketed so we can get a huge shoe deal.

They don't get paid in college, but college gets you a bigger shoe deal on your rookie contract. College isn't about making money. It's about showing you how to make it. Duke made Zion a lot of money. All right, finally, Lane Kiffin. Don't change a thing. Be cocky, be ridiculous, be annoying, make fun of other coaches on Twitter.

There is nothing you should change. People can say what they want about Lane Kiffin. I am here to tell America. College football is way more fun when you got Dennis the Menace coaching Ole Miss and making fun of Lane, making fun in Nick Sabin, and poking dabble of Sweden. and driving people crazy. He is the gift that keeps on giving.

And you cannot tell me that when he coaches against Sabin for the next two years, you don't even have to like college football. You'll want to watch that game. He will get me to a TV. There's got to be a villain. Lane's a villain. I love villains. Villains are the best part of the story.

I think you should do a headshot like that, though. The fact that Lane Kiffin did that shot is why I like him. It's, I would want to play with like it. There's nothing like him in college football. Agreed. By the way, support your body's testosterone, energy, and lean muscle. Go to mDrive for men.com code herd, H-E-R-D for 20% off. Should I put up our, we had today, oh, I would show it for the world again.

You guys want to do the Gardner Minshew topic? Okay, so the staff, I was saying this earlier. the breaking news is John Dorsey's been fired as the general manager of the Cleveland Browns. And I was talking about Baker Mayfield earlier saying that now they have a new GM and they're going to have a new coach. There's no loyalty to Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield's Gardner Minshew. If you look at their college stats playing under the same system, one played for Mike Leach, one played for a disciple of Mike Leach, same stats. Their combined numbers, same guy.

Minshue is a little better vertical. a little faster. If you look at their height 6-1, their weight 215, if you look at their rookie seasons, they're virtually the exact same Minchu just throws fewer picks. So it's funny

about it, because Baker's drafted number one, there's a certain gravitas to him. Minshue's drafted number six, there's no need to elevate him. This is what Baker is. They're combined numbers, their size, their stats, in the style. The difference is Minchew played with no NFL guys. Baker played with 20. And so I've been saying this

about Baker. Now they're going to get a new GM and a new coach. They have no loyalty to Baker Mayfield. All they see in that division is Lamar Jackson twice a year, Joe Burrow twice a year, and Big Ben twice a year. And they're like, I got the short guy who's the least athletic. That's what a new coach is going to see in Cleveland. So when I talk about Baker being humble like Sam Darnold, Sam Darnold's numbers are pretty similar to Bakers. They really are. The difference is, People in New York are rooting for Sam. The new people in Cleveland are going to have no tolerance at all for Baker. Being humble in positions of authority is always the better move.

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