The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Cowboys, Patriots, and the NBA

Episode Date: April 2, 2020

Filling in for Colin, Doug Gottlieb explains what the Dallas Cowboys are doing wrong, what the New England Patriots will never do, and what he would do for the NBA playoffs. Guests include Greg Cosell, Mark Schlereth, and Chris Mannix. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Man, this should be a super, super fun show as both Joy and I doing the home office thing. Joy, how are you? I'm doing great. How are you? I'm great. You know, it's really these are interesting times. Okay, and obviously that goes about saying. And I think in many ways, in many ways, obviously

unprecedented time. And because we have so much more time, right? It's like the one thing you've always wanted as you get an adult, I get maybe two things. And maybe the one thing is related to the two things. that Ellen, Ellen says this thing where she'll go, you know, she says, the difference between a child and an adult is that an adult would, would never turn down a nap, right?

That's, which I think is an absolute, I think is an absolute genius way to kind of look at it, right? Like, you know you're an adult when you'd never turn down a nap. Right. But the reason that you don't nap is because you don't at least think you have time. Who's got time to nap? Which is all we have. All we have now is time on our hands, whether you're alone, whether with your kids. And like the thing that you wanted most is I just have, wasn't there a movie like that?

Where you got, there's a movie like that where you get more time in the time that you want. But with that time, have you picked up any hobbies? Is there anything you're doing now that you didn't. previously do because you didn't have time? Not really, but I mean, I guess I'm cooking more for myself than I usually do because I really only like to cook for other people. It seems like a waste to me to like have to do dishes and go through that whole process if I'm just cooking a meal for myself.

But because I do have more time, I'm just cook. And also I don't want to, you know, I'm trying to limit deliveries. So yeah, I guess I'm cooking more. Yeah, okay. Cooking more. And then like it's interesting. I enjoy cooking. and I too am cooking more than I've ever cooked before.

And then you start like trying stuff and then you watch the cooking shows like, oh, I'll try and do this. And I, like I saw this. I was watching, I was watching, was it chopped with my son. I love chopped. Who doesn't love chopped? Like the whole idea here's a basket of food, make something incredible out of it. And these guys are amazing.

So I'm watching with my 11-year-old son in there cooking lamb. And he's like, is lamb good? I was like, you never had lamb? No. So now I'm like, I kind of want to make lamb. The problem when you have kids is like, if kids don't like it, they just won't eat it. They're just, nah, don't like it. Can I have a grilled cheese sandwich or can you throw in a pizza?

Whereas if adult doesn't like it, like they'll at least, you know, eat the food and smile and go like, it wasn't great, but, you know, my belly's full. So I'm considering that. I bring up the cooking is a perfect analogy. Now baking and cooking is different. and my daughters like to bake, or at least they think they like to bake. And I'm thinking about the Dallas Cowboys. And did you see who signed with the Dallas Cowboys last night?

I did, Alden Smith, yes. Yeah. Now, listen, Alden Smith, this could be, like, let's just be fair. This could be an all-time comeback from your personal demon story, right? He's had a litany of issues with drinking, drinking and driving, some domestic violence issues. He was one of the most talented defensive players. players in the league before he was essentially kicked out of the league during his time with the

Niners. Then, of course, he played for a short stint with the Raiders. He hasn't played in over a year in the National Football League. His last incident was in 2019, rest on suspicion of DUI. But, you know, look, I would guess that in the rehab projects in the NFL, this is something that Jerry Jones has been want and desirous to do. is he likes to be the guy who saves people. That's what he does.

There's a certain power in that. And, you know, a certain kind of soul cleansing feeling to that. I get it. On the other hand, a lot of this is because they're trying to plug holes with talented yet inexpensive players. This is just another way of being, I guess, cheap is the best way. You can sit there and tell me like, no, this is a personal rehab project. It's a great player.

I think he's a good man. I think, okay, fine. But they wouldn't be doing this if they had, you're talking about rush end, outside linebacker. This is one of the, if not the most important aspect to a defense. And they wouldn't be going cheap, getting a guy on the minimum, if they had money to spend. They don't have money to spend because from Jalen Smith last year,

Ezekiel Elliott, obviously what they did with Amari Cooper, a huge $100 million contract. And whatever becomes of DAC, whether it's he plays in the franchise tag where they get a long-term agreement, his salary cap number is going to spike. We can all, I think, agree that the Cowboys are going to look like so many of these teams that have these, this is what happened to the Rams. You have five or six super highly paid guys. And then you just have to have either really young players or veterans that have some sort of issue coming off injury.

coming off suspension, guy on his last leg. That's what you do when you overpay for other positions. And this is the Cowboys getting back to their own ways. And honestly, I think none of us, none of us fault Zeke for wanting a long-term contract and wanting to get ahead of it before Todd Gurley's contract looked like a terrible contract. Before we got to this place where all these second contracts are,

And the league is, the NFL is in an interesting place, not just not knowing its current status or its immediate future, but the decline in the value of running backs will be challenged as between New Orleans, Carolina, and the Giants, you have three dynamic young running backs who, based upon their production in their first contract, deserve a sizable raise, right? Like Christian McCaffrey and like, you look at all three of those dudes can play. So it's not that they don't deserve it based upon what they will have accomplished during their rookie contracts, but show me a long-term veteran deal for a running back that works out to help the team. It doesn't exist.

Shady McCoy's contract was so bad. Not Shady McCoy. Levyon Bell's contract was so bad, so bad that the GM who signed it was fired almost immediately after. And they can't find. So I'm not faulting Zeeck for. are saying, hey, look, I'm a three down back. Jerry has said I'm the best running back. I'm best player on this team. Strike by the aisle is hot. He got his contract.

And this is the baking analogy. And I'm trying to think if there's a cooking analogy because I don't know. I think cooking is the same. And I've just learned this about baking. I baked some as a kid. I had an older sister. She was occasionally, our babysitter. She was a big baker back in the day. Cookies, banana bread, brownies, right? it's the rotation of what blondeies as well, what teenage girls make, my daughters do the same thing. If you would add the ingredients out of order,

it doesn't make sense, like in your, I guess your left brain tells you like, that doesn't make sense. You still have the same number of eggs, the same amount of oil, the same amount of, you know, baking soda. Right. But if you add them out of order,

it just doesn't come out right. I'm trying to think of the baking dish that it's like, but that's the way it works. You're like, wait, why do I have to mix this in one bowl and then mix them together? Why can't I just throw it in one bowl and it just works out? If you go back, Joy, less than a year ago,

Jerry Jones came out and said, Zeke Elliott's our best player. We got a lot of guys that need to get paid, but we have an order of how we want to do this. This whole thing was screwed up, not by Zeke getting, a new contract. But by the timing of that new contract, through everything out of order. And now you have a, now you have a pie or my mom makes great banana bread. So let's just say a

banana bread that has all the right ingredients, right? It's got the flour. It's got the baking soda. It's got the baking powder. Yes, guys, baking powder and baking soda are two different things. I didn't know it until very recently either. Very different. They're very, very different. and if you go too much on the baking soda, you will definitely taste it. Baking powder, I think you will feel it in terms of the density of it. Maybe I have those screwed up. Anyway, when you put them in out of order, it doesn't taste right.

Like something's, this doesn't. I use my mom's recipe. I mixed it in a bowl. I preheated the thing, and then I did the other thing. You know, none of us know exactly what these things are called. Get me a cookie sheet. I don't know what a cookie sheet is. That, okay.

When you make them out of order, it doesn't come outright. That's where the cowboys are. It's not that Zieg got paid. He could have and should have, but to get him paid before you figure out the DAC thing, before you figure out the Amari thing, before the salary cap is set. Sure, it benefits Zique because now he's got this massive contract that will at some point be a bad contract, a wait around the Cowboys. And if it's not already a wait around the Cowboys, it's going to be.

And they're plugging holes with important positions like your most important pass rusher is Alden Smith, who it's been five years since he did anything in the NFL. The Cowboys aren't just trying to rehab Alden Smith. They're trying to hide the fact that they don't have the money to spend on what's really left and really important to their team. And they're doing so because this cake, this banana bread was made out of order. Did I find a way to make that make sense? Yeah. I mean, if you've ever baked, then you totally understand.

Well, these are things that dudes are doing that they've never done before, right? That's true. People are going on walks. Did you go on a walk yesterday? I did not actually. I've been really lucky. I've been super busy. I did not even have time to go on a walk yesterday.

So I did some of yoga instead. In a time in which all we have is time, you didn't have time? I feel like you're the luckiest person on earth. I feel very lucky. Yes. Yeah. All right. Well, listen, Joy's Alongside. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin. And coming up next, even without Brady, the Patriots still feel like they're different than the rest of the national football league. And it does, it kind of feels the opposite of the Cowboys. I'll explain upcoming next.

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Listen to deeply well with Debbie Brown from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Doug Aliam in for Colin, this is. the herd joy tail alongside. We get to her with the news in a moment. I wanted to do this on the on the New England Patriots. By the way, the Patriots team plane is on its way, I believe, back from China. I don't know how many people do you know this. So we actually sent a huge amount of supplies of our own of these masks to China, right, to China. And of all the team planes to go and pick them up, the Patriots team plane, no, it is not an AWAC sky. spy plane, as many NFL fans would wonder, is going back and like, give me back those masks.

So I was, we're on to China, apparently. Anyway, always fascinating to see kind of the whole world suddenly like working together. And I think it's a cool thing. It's one of these things, Joy, that I remember, my first opportunity to broadcast from Bristol, Connecticut, was after 9-11. I was still playing professionally. I was filling it as a fill-in host in Oklahoma City, and a really close friend of mine, Louise Cornetta, was a producer of a show called Todd Wright all night.

Anyway, but what I remember, there's a lot of things when I try to relate to my kids what it was like. I was in Oklahoma at the time of 9-11. Look, there's a lot of obviously really sad, incredibly sad stories, and there were some galvanizing moments, obviously. Even George Bush, who was a polarizing figure as president,

and obviously some of the remarks and things and way in which he carried himself, his first pitch, but also the megaphone on top of the rubble. These are powerful images. I just, what I remember was you go through airport security and there was nobody at the airports,

but people were, for an extended period of time, they were legit kind to each other, right? Like you were kind to your fellow American because they're a fellow American. And obviously these are different times, and it's a different enemy in a different way and we're supposed to maintain a distance and, you know,

but I do think if there's one thing that we can take from all of this is like, hey, you know, if you're like nice to your fellow man, it actually feels kind of good. The day feels better than when you're in a hole. And I'm generally not, some of my takes may feel like that would be how I would be in person or something. I don't know, but I do think that I continue to be kind of energized on a daily basis by the fact that people generally are really kind to one another

and they really don't want like at the bottom of our hearts we don't want anybody let alone we don't want to get sick we don't want to get anybody else sick mark schlareth is going to join us in ten minutes or so great co-sell will join us next hour chris mannicks with jonas in the third hour of the show we'll talk about some of these NBA ideas when they get their season going again. Colin and I had the exact same thought yesterday when Daniel Jeremiah tweeted out Bill Belichick's views in the quarterback position, right? Like when you read it and I heard his segment, I was preparing for my own show, which follows this show on Fox Sports Radio, where he talks about on-field awareness and intelligence, accuracy as the traits that he needs

and a quarterback. And so when you see Cam Newton's out there, like, that's just not how Cam Newton is. You know, when you've been in a league for nine years, it's not who you, you know who you are. And there's a lot of reasons that Cam is out of work, and I think we'll struggle to find a home as a starter. And the question becomes for Cam Newton and James Winston, do you go somewhere as a backup and wait your turn, or do you wait your turn out of football and then somebody flops or gets hurt, and then you ride in on the white horse and you save the day, right? Either of those I think are viable and they have enough money in the bank to do that. But I think here's the bigger thing and this is the part that we don't talk enough about.

Even in the Kaepernick deal, like there's a lot of Kaepernick to why Cam doesn't have his job. I'm not talking about the kneeling before the anthem thing. Colin Kaepernick initially lost his job in San Francisco for, but this is before he kneeled. It was because he wasn't seen as a great leader. He and Alden Smith got into it famously. He'd walk around the facility with headphones on, kind of keep to himself. He just wasn't a guy who people seemed to get behind. And he had arm injury, leg injury, much like Cam Newton.

But here's the bigger thing. When he went and visited the Seattle Seahawks, if you remember, they said, look, he can be a starter, wants to be a starter. And the translation to the rest of the league is he wants starters money, which is not just, you know, now you're talking upwards of $17 to $25, $30 million. but Cam Newton doesn't just want to sign a place. He want to sign a place for multi years at, you know, he's not making less. In his mind, it doesn't matter the reality of it. In his mind, I was going to make 19. I should be making more than that at my next job.

You know, Teddy Bridgewater has only played really two seasons in his NFL career. He's never been an MVP. He got three years, $20 million. I'm worth more than that. I believe that one of the big. tractors to Cam, even more than James is. It's not just that they want to come in and play, and they don't want to sit. It's they want to make quarterback money, and they want a multi-year deal.

Who doesn't want a multi-year deal? But that's what the Patriots stay away from. Like if we're going to go and get Andy Dalton, we've got to give a multi-year deal. We don't want to be tied, our hands to tied in. Bill Belichick, I believe, is one of those guys, and I think this is a reasonable assessment to make, that he looks at the rest of the league. and he says, how are people successful and what are the big pitfalls, right? And the big pitfalls everybody makes, right?

The old banana in the tailpipe that everybody falls for is overpaying specifically a quarterback because, well, yeah, that's what you got to do. And there's a stat which all of us at Fox have, so I don't know who found it, but it's a fact that somebody in research for one of the TV, show is found and it's brilliant. The last 10 years, the guy with the highest salary cap number in the NFL has all been quarterbacks. Eight of those guys haven't even made the playoffs that year.

Nobody's won a suitful. Belichick looks at the rest of the league and says, you dope, it's not just about the amount of money you're given to one position, even if it's the most important position on the field. It's the number of years, so you get locked into a guy that you don't love. Belichick looks around the league and says, all you guys keep getting married. Why are you getting married? Why are you getting married?

Why are you signing up to lose half your stuff? Just date. And now he's going to date Jared Stidham and see how it goes. And he doesn't have to pay him that much because the fourth round pick. And he's got Brian Hoyer, who's the consman backup. He's kind of like a quasi-coach. You could start him. You could never play him.

He'll be fine. Instead of locking into a two- or three-year deal, with a quarterback who he doesn't love. I don't have to have a dude. Let's just ride this thing out. Worst case scenario. We go draft a guy next year. And we do this dance again.

The pitfalls of the league are when you give a guy a contract past his prime and for one or two, too many years. Or you massively overpay at one position, especially the quarterback position, running backs, obviously the worst one that that's the one. But I mean, like, even look at the Rams. The Rams have a young quarterback. But they gave Jared Gough all that money so early they didn't have to. And now they're stuck. They're stuck.

And in relationships, in the workplace, no one wants to be stuck. And Belichick, of all the things that do I think he would prefer to have Tom Brady? Of course. But he also wanted to have Tom Brady a certain amount financially. the rest of their caps a little bit messy. They were kind of top-heavy, all-in, a little bit older team trying to get as much juice out of this orange as possible. But the mistake they will not make in New England that others will make is,

and it's like even Carolina. Carolina needed a quarterback this year. Teddy Bridgewater had played when Joe Brady was in New Orleans, so there's a relationship there that makes total sense. But three years for Teddy Bridgewater? When you have no idea how sound his knee is, or truth be told, Carolina, really wants one of the two star quarterbacks

coming out of college this year. Teddy Bridgewater is just a placeholder. But the Panthers made the classic mistake of free agency, which is too much money for a little bit too long. That's what people do. And Belichick is not willing to do that. That won't do that. Let's get to join Taylor with news. This is the herd line news. Well, Tyron Taylor is confident that he

is the right man to be the Chargers starting quarterback next season. But head coach Anthony Lynn hasn't fully committed to him yet. Lynn said that Taylor is in the driver's seat for the starting spot, but nothing is finalized. He was the bill starter, obviously, from 2015 to 2017. They lost the Jags in the Wild Card round. So we know that he can be a starter, but is he going to end up being the starter for the Chargers this year? They have the sixth pick in the draft, and everyone is assuming that they're going to take a quarterback. But I think it depends on what quarterback they gets that will determine if he is the starter or not because they could end up with someone who's not

ready to start right now. Well, you know, when he was in Buffalo and they went to the playoffs, the play caller was Anthony Lynn. So there's a relationship there. They like him and they also like the fact that, again, this is the difference in he and Cam Newton. They're the same age. Cam Newton's ceiling obviously was way higher, but one, Cam Newton is not the Cam Newton of five years ago, let alone two years ago, whereas Tyrod Taylor is, You know, he has no injury concerns. The big thing for Tyrod Taylor and the reason I think that he'll fit in the short term and maybe the start of the whole year, the two biggest frustrations with Philip Rivers. One, he's immobile.

Right. He's a bad athlete. Philip Burr's, it was not a, like, one of these guys that play basketball, you know, play baseball. Like, no, no, no. Philip Rivers was just a quarterback. He's a bad athlete who tore his ACL and is old. He's, inarguably the worst athlete at that position. in the NFL, and he was old.

So now you eliminate that with Tyrod, who completely changes their ability to move the pocket and to move around, even in screen pass game. The other thing is Tyrod Taylor doesn't turn the football over. And what derailed the chargers last year, even more than the injuries in the offensive line, not having Durwin James,

was Philip Rivers was a turnover machine. So if he doesn't do those two things, if he can do those two things, not turn over and be mobile, I think it'll be fine. I agree with you. It depends who they get. If it's a Justin Herbert, I think it's a developmental deal. If it's a Tua, it'll depend upon Tua's health,

and Tua would be a guy that I would think by mid-year may earn the job. But this is a really, really good roster, really good roster. And by saving money at the quarterback position, allows them to, they franchise tag Hunter Henry, they'll be able to work out a long-term deal, and then work out a long-term deal with Joey Bosa, who's coming into the fifth year of his rookie contract. That's the way they roll.

I think they'll have a really, good roster, I do think Tyrod Taylor be the starter. Well, speaking of Tua, he has been medically cleared without restrictions and is preparing for the draft later this month. And even though he can't meet with any teams in person, he's making it clear that nothing's holding him back. He said he feels 100%. And if there was a game today, he'd be able to go out and perform the same way he was able

to perform in previous years. Now, obviously, we're going to take your word for it on that because nobody can actually evaluate that. Well, I mean, to your point about Tua, possibly going to the Chargers, I think that Tua is such a big name that if he ended up going to the Chargers, there would be a push amongst fans for him to start right away. I personally feel like Tua needs a year, but I mean, I'd like him to go somewhere where he has a year, but because he is Tua, he probably doesn't have that. You know, there was that conversation about

Baker Mayfield, obviously, when Tiread was in Cleveland and, you know, it was like, obviously Baker did not start right away. To me, you're in the number one overall pick at the quarterback position you should be able to start right away. Obviously, most of these guys would do better if they could sit behind a great pro and learn how to be a pro and learn, you know, how to establish a routine and how to train and how to eat and how to sleep, obviously, but that's not the world we live in. And you're also taking a year, it's basically like a redshirt year. Like you're taking a year of performance away. I think the only way you really learn how to play football is get out there. But at this point, at this point, there's nothing that Tua can do.

You have the tape. You know what he is. You know what his injuries are. So to say that you, like, want to physically evaluate him, that sounds nice. But even if you did physically evaluate him, we've seen examples of doctors evaluating players and being completely wrong about it. Like, you know what it is with Tua and you know what the risks are. Yes.

Yes. It's a little unprecedented because we've evolved so much and they feel like they fixed it. There's still one checkup. Here's thing. I talked to a GM this weekend. and I said, what do you think about the Tua thing? And he said, honestly, when I saw the video, I remember there's a video of him working out with,

with, with, what's his name, Trent, Dilfer. When I saw the video, and this was my thinking, it wasn't Tua just standing there throwing. Like, he was legit running and moving. I do think that really helped him because, like, you're watching him run around moving. He looks fine. He looks fine.

I actually think that helped them. What happens at three in the draft changes the whole draft. Everybody knows unless Cincinnati did what I would suggest they do, which is tell Miami move mountains, get us the three pick, and you can have the one, you know, if you give us multiple first round picks. But three, what happens with Detroit? I can't see them drafting a quarterback behind Stafford. I see them trading out and loading up.

What happens at three, change the draft? And I would guess that's a spot for Tua, whether it's more. Miami to move up, the charges to move up, or maybe the Raiders to move up who have multiple first round picks. But I do think that that video did wonders for him because this, again, this is just one guy, but he said, like, I was stunned at how well he was moving that soon. Well, Giadabian Clowny was one of the big name free agents this year, but he's entering his third week on the open market. His asking price was $20 million a year, but he has since lowered it. He's now reportedly seeking a number in the 17 to 8 million a year range.

Not entirely surprising that this is an issue with Javian Clowny. I think he is obviously a playmaker and he's a great player, but he's only played one full 16 game season in 2017. He has obviously serious injury concerns. The Jets have reportedly checked in with Clowny's agents and the Titans and obviously the Seahawks are interested in Clowny as well. But his production did dip a little bit last year at three sacks, 31 total tackles and 13 games for the Seahawks. But I just think he's a playmaker.

He's just not on the Khalil Mack level who's the highest paid at Drusher at $23.5 million a year right now. Well, there's a couple different levels to it. One, I think the coronavirus scare is hurting his ability to go out and get checked out by other people, right? I mean, when you have a microfracture knee and history of some injuries, they want to see you. honestly the thing that hurts him is the dominant games. Like when they beat the Niners, he was the best player on the field. And I know a lot of the numbers are down because he's commanding a double team and he's become very good against the run.

But when you see him against Niners, you're like, wait, he's the best player in football when he wants to be. It's just does he always want to be. So I think what he's doing is in real estate they call it chasing the market, right? where you list your house and you list it for way too much. And then all of a sudden people come in and they walk through in an open house and like, yeah, you got this thing overpriced. Now you start lowering the price.

And even if, you know, three weeks ago, he could have gotten $17 million. Now you're like, wait a second. No one wants him? I'm in at $12 or $13 million. He's going to have to decide probably between staying with the Seahawks for one year on a short deal on like a $1. deal like a $13 million or, you know, signing blind for, again, less money than he wants to go out to Tennessee or maybe to the Jets. But he's classically chasing the market when he, I think, overvalued himself as one of the best defensive players in league, which he has the talent to be. He's just never been consistent, whether it's because of injury or because of effort.

And that's Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news. Joy, I'm super interested, super interested in your thoughts into what you would do if you were Gedevian Clowny, if you were Cam Newton, two guys that need to be evaluated by a team. Do you wait? Do you roll the dice and see how long this thing goes?

Like, I don't think Cam maybe has the opportunity right now because teams are going to wait until the draft. And if they don't get a quarterback, you know, maybe Jacksonville, maybe Miami, somebody like that decides, all right, I'll sign him as my starter. So I'm not sure. But for a clownie, this is not a good defensive end draft. There aren't any freaks like him coming out. Do you wait this thing out or do you take the short-term deal and stay in Seattle? Well, I think they're just two super different situations. Like they're both in the same circumstance, Cam being a quarterback changes everything. And the fact that Cam is not just a quarterback. He's a star. He's a name. He's a personality. So it's hard for him to come in and be your backup unless you

have someone who is so much bigger and more established within that organization than Cam. And where is that? What team is that? To me, Cam will end up somewhere this year because as we know, unfortunately, people get injured in this in this game and he is still Cam Newton. So if you're looking at the open market of quarterbacks that are available, if your guy goes down, that like you're going to sign Cam and figure it out. Clowny is a completely different situation. He doesn't have, he's not the face of your franchise. It's just a matter of are you willing to pay for the risk that Clownie comes with of maybe not putting up the numbers? Obviously, he's valuable in a lot of other areas. And a

playmaker and a disruptor, but he also has major injury risk. And that's not his fault. It's just the way that his career has gone. So I think they're in the same situation in that they, because of our current world, they can't travel and get evaluated, but they're just, their situations are so different because of the position they play. Yes. And I, there's a bunch to it.

I want to continue this conversation throughout the show because it's, you bring up all valid and correct points. The question is, yes. Cam Newton could sit and wait for somebody to get hurt, but if the team that he gets hurt, like, one, does he fit their style, right? Because he has a specific style playing quarterbacking, too. I'm not sure everybody knows what style Cam Newton is going to play from 30 till 35 because he's not, he's not the same guy, right?

He's not, I mean, he's not the prolific runner athlete. We don't think that he used to be. How do you construct an offense around him? And then the third thing is, like, can he pick up the offense that quickly, a different one? Like this is not a, a lot of it is about a style and a verbiage that you have fit before. And since he's only been in one place, he hasn't been one of these quarterback vagabonds to bounce from from team to team. More with Joy Taylor upcoming.

Marsh Slayrith is going to join us upcoming next. I'll ask him, what would he do if he was clowning? How do you handle this? And what would he do if he was, if he was Cam Newton? And here the, here the Patriots are rolling the dice on Jared Stidham. Is that the right way to continue with the team that won 12 games last year? Three-time Super Bowl champion Mark Slayer joins us next alongside Joey Taylor. I'm Doug Gottlieb.

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speaks to the fact that they're spending so much money at other key places that they've got to take a lot of risk on a guy like Alden Smith. Will they see a return on that risk? Yeah, you know, Alton Smith is one of those interesting guys because there's no question about his talent, but, you know, there's always this saying in the NFL when the problems outweigh the production, then, you know, that's when you lose your opportunity.

So there's no question that he's got, you know, that he's got unbelievable skill set. Can he get himself together? And it's one thing, Doug, as you know, and this is kind of interesting, it's one thing to have yourself together when, you know, you don't have anything and you don't have any of their options. And then you get back into the NFL and you start making money again and you've become, you know, something, somebody they praise. Can you maintain that level of humility?

There's this old saying, and I love that. the saying is that there are two types of people who play in the NFL or two types of people who perform in sports. There are the humble and those are those those those are humble and those who are about to be. And I mean, it'll humble you pretty quick. And so that is, that is one of those things. But I think it's an interesting aspect to you is we're spending all this money to be able to get, you know, hopefully some production. We're going to have to bring in some of these characters that might, you know, that might be, that might be questionable at best. Yeah, and obviously they've changed.

They've changed on the interior as well for a different style defensively than what they've had in the past. All right, let me ask you about the New England Patriots. It appears they're going to roll with Jared Stidham and Brian Hoyer. No one is going to confuse Stidham with Tom Brady and Tom Brady's career. On the other hand, like this is physically not the – couldn't possibly be the best version of Tom Brady. Can Jared Stidham be to the Patriots what Tom Brady was last year?

Well, you know, I think a very small sample set. What we saw in the preseason, Jared Stim actually looked really good last year preseason-wise. Again, it's preseason football. And you've got to understand in preseason football, there are a lot of rules that exist in the preseason that don't exist in the regular season. Like, I'll tell you, Doug, I remember. preparing for a preseason game and, you know, going through the film and looking at this blitz

and the coach going, oh, you don't have to worry about that. Fast forward to it. I'm like, what do you mean you don't have to worry about that? Don't, you don't have to worry about that. And then get into another blitz issue and go, okay, what was going to happen if this goes? Don't worry about that. That's not going to happen. What do you mean it's not going to happen?

It's right here on film. Yeah, we got a deal. Those aren't going to go down. Like, we're keeping everybody healthy in this deal. And, you know, that's back when I played. So, you know, the preseason stuff, you always have to take some of it with a grain of salt. You can see athleticism. You can see big play-making ability and stuff. But some of the reeds and some of the things that you have to go through through the regular season,

you're getting pretty. Everybody calls it vanilla looks. So what he did in the preseason was impressive, but at the same point, like how much did he really have to understand at that point? One thing about the New England Patriots, they feel, I think they feel this way as a coaching staff, they've earned the right to be a little bit arrogant that under our expert tutelage, we can make anybody a player. Just remember. remember this, that Bill Belichick, I believe in the Hunter games he coached before Tom Brady, he was 42 and 58. And that included a stint with Drew Bledso. So, you know, I would just say, be careful, you know, be careful what you wish for. And I know a lot of coaches, I know a lot of

coaches that, you know, want to prove that it wasn't the quarterback. It's their coaching. I tend to, I tend to fall on the, on the, it's more about the player than is the coach. and the guy executing the plays out there on the football field. But we shall see. But that looks like the direction they're going right now. You know, it's interesting because, I mean, Greg Popovich, widely regarded as the best coach in the NBA, right? Or one of the great coaches in the history of the NBA.

And I think he is a great coach. But how competitive at the top of the NBA are the Spurs since the Big Three retired. Now, granted he lost Kauai Leonard and we don't know. But I mean, you know, here's a team that was consistently dominant, and then they get old and they get a new group of players and they can't compete at the top level. So do you need great coaching? Absolutely.

But you also need dudes and TBD on if, if Jared Stidem as a dude. I want to ask you about Cam. So Cam's out of work. And you and I have talked about this. Like he's a hard fit because he's going to want a long-term deal, but he hasn't been healthy recently at all. He's kind of an odd fit. You know, his old head coach Ron Rivera didn't appear to want his services no matter what the price.

His old team wanted to change, and they brought in Teddy Bridgewater, were slightly more money than he was set to make on a one-year deal. He's kind of like an Allen Iverson where, like, a former MVP, doesn't want to come off the bench. If you're Cam Newton, how do you approach now not having a team, and we're creeping up closer towards June? Yeah, I think you've got to understand that what you're going to have to do, you're going to have to accept a role as, you know, a guy that is holding down the Ford, if you will, for a young player that they're drafting. And, you know, I think in Cincinnati, you got Joe Burroughs going to start from day one.

Tua is interesting. If he goes to the Miami Dolphins, which a lot of people predict him going to, he may need to start the season on PUP. And that may be the best opportunity for a Cam Newton to come in there and kind of show his wares. Remember, Cam Newton is an exceptional athlete. Cam Newton was an MVP, not because of his quarterbacking skills, because of his athleticism, and because of what they did. They designed 10 runs the game. They designed play action off those runs that were unique in the NFL.

And at 6'5 and 250, man, the guy is an absolute physical specimen. He was a freak show of, you know, anatomy. So there's a difference there. He's never been an accurate drawer of the football. He was, I think, a 59% career completion percentage guy. And so that's been a big issue. And now I think teams are looking at that and going, okay, other than the six or eight weeks of 2018 that North Turner was the offensive coordinator in Carolina, he has never been a great percentage completion percentage guy. Now, he had that kind of outwire there for about seven, eight weeks that he was actually really good.

So I think what teams look at is go, his history is inaccuracy, especially in intermediate and shorter routes. That's his history. And now all of a sudden, with injuries, he's just not going to be the same player. Yeah, we don't know if he's the same athlete. Stink great, great stuff as always, man. We've got to run. I hope you're safe and healthy.

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Right. Like it's amazing. It's amazing. The neighborhood I live in is just, you know, just a normal Southern California, Orange County neighborhood. But, you know, I'm not going to forget about a month before spring training. My son and I ride our bikes down to the park to go and throw and hit some baseballs. And there's Garrett Cole, like doing long toss because he has his first house he bought when he became

professional baseball player is here. He's kept it here, whatever. And that's just, it's just the park. Like, you can go see a baseball workout, a basketball. I know you saw you, you, you went to, um, uh, Levar Ball's, uh, I think the championship game, right, of his, of that, the ill-fated basketball, the JBA basketball league, right? You went to Ontario for that. So I know you love, but if you grew up in the AAU culture that I grew up in, keep

mind, my dad, this is back when it was travel basketball. and he got fired from Long Beach State in 84. He went up to Oregon State for a year. And then he was like Las Vegas, even back then, up until now, is the epicenter for summer basketball. It's now become about Summer League. And now the NBA players who grew up as A.U. Players playing in the same big tournaments,

and tournaments have changed some. Now, between the NBA having Summer League there, Team USA practicing and having exhibition games there. As much as they don't have an NBA team, Vegas is synonymous with summer basketball. That's the culture of the sport. And in many ways, I think other sports are a little bit envious of it because for the NFL, it's the Combine, right?

The Combine is where people bring their resumes and they meet up. For basketball, the Final Four is like that for college basketball, but for the NBA, that's basically their summer convention. Baseball has the owner's meaning, but there's no place where the players and the young players and old players and owners and general managers and people love the sport can all go and high school players can all go. There's no one central. Vegas is that place.

And, you know, we grew up, if you're my age, if you're from the age of maybe 50 to 35 or maybe 30, and you're a ball guy. You probably played in a Vegas summer tournament. I don't know when Circus, Circus, went out of style. It's still there. But we used to go and play. Then you go to Circus, circus, and pick up on the ladies,

which there were no girls there. It was all a bunch of dudes, and you put your quarter on a machine and wait for your video game to come up. Meanwhile, you know, scout out all the different stuff going on at Circus Circus. You might have stated up. There's a hotel down the street called the Alexis Park,

which is almost like a motel, but I'll give it a shout out because every room's a suite. So, you know, when you're an A.U basketball player, you're staying with three other dudes, two beds, somebody may be sleeping on a pull-out the floor, maybe you share a bed with a guy, somebody brings the video games,

you go out and load up on a bunch of Gatorades, and then you play several games a day. I know LeBron is against it. I get it. I've heard it. And I know it's not the core of the glamour of the NBA of playing in these unbelievable arenas in front of,

the, you know, especially when you're playing with the Lakers, like first couple rows of, of a big Lakers game, like, that's a lot of money. Same thing with now with the, with the Warriors. I think this Vegas thing makes a ton of sense in terms of basketball getting back to its core of what it has, what it has been about. The only thing these guys won't be able to do is change AAU teams when their team loses, right? That's, that's what happened the last 15 years in AAU basketball, which is like, ah, your team's not any good?

just switch AAU teams. Guy wouldn't play a switch. They can't do that. I'm not a proponent of Jay Williams idea of putting guys on cruise ships. I don't know if Jay realizes that he, Joey, he said this. And I love Jay. He's like, what if we just tested everybody for it, put him on two cruise ships and they played basketball games on cruise ships? Like, no one is getting on a cruise ship anytime soon. Well, we're all just, you know, throwing ideas out there. But these are ideas. That's when we're just going to take a hard pass on that one. I think the Vegas thing works.

I really do because like LeBron's like, well, basketball is about playing in front of crowds. And it is. On the other hand, it's also just about going and playing and competing. And, you know, honestly, look, these guys aren't going to room together like they used to. But if you give them each, whether it's a floor of one of the elite hotels, And we grew up playing. There was a tournament called John Farrow, I believe, had it. It was like the AAU National Championship.

You'd play in a pool, pool play. And then if you either won or second place in your pool, you would qualify for the championship tournament. And then you play in a 64 team field. And when you lose, you'd go home. And of all the things that I've accomplished in my basketball career, I never played day in the NBA. I played plenty in college basketball,

plenty of big games. We got my senior year, going into my senior year, we got to the semifinals of that tournament. We lost to B.A.B.C., which was the team out of Boston. Their back court was Schoonie Penn and Eggie McCray, Schoonie and Eggie. That's a great. And they were one of the great AAU teams of all time because they won the Vegas tournament. And then the tournament afterwards was in Phoenix and they did the double. And I don't think anybody else ever did the double of winning Vegas and Phoenix.

It's like winning the Masters in the U.S. Open in the same year. Like, I know it's been done by Tiger, but, you know, in AAU basketball, but I actually don't think it's a bad plan. Get them all to Vegas. We don't love Vegas. It's in the summer, and guys are used to being in the Vegas in summer. They have great facilities there. You can never leave Thomas and Mack. They have two arenas there, plus they have the north and south gym, if you want, like, workouts.

You have pool play and you have a tournament. Like, look, we're doing the best we can with what we got. And I feel like this would be NASCAR getting back to racing. Like the reason they have at Daytona, they used to have races on the sand in Daytona Beach, right? That was the old, that's how NASCAR at its core was these bootlegging cars. And they raced them on the sand, right? Like this is not Rucker Park where summer basketball at its core to me is AAU hoop in Vegas and a big tournament. I don't think it's a terrible plan

considering all of the other litany of issues you have playing in any other city or playing in front of fans. I mean, you don't like? I don't, no, I think wherever, if you're going to have a tournament or finish the season or find some abbreviated way to do this, it has to be in one location. Like that's just the only thing that makes sense.

And when you're talking about Vegas, I mean, this is why for years I said that they should just build a stadium and have the Super Bowl in Vegas every single year. It's the best event town in the whole country. It's not close. I mean, I love having events in Miami. The Super Bowl was amazing.

Events in New York are fun. Phoenix is a good place for events, you know, but there's nothing like Vegas. There's nothing like the access to facilities, the hotels, the restaurants, like, and obviously all that wouldn't be going on. But what you're proposing would work the simplest in Vegas. And yes, summerly. league, AAU tournaments, Vegas in basketball are synonymous with the summer. So it's not out of, it's not a crazy concept to think that if this had to happen in an

extreme way, that Vegas would be the place to do it. I, I agree. When I first heard it, I was like, one hotel, one resort, right? Like there's the Orleans, which, again, not, it's not a five-star, but they do have a really nice arena where they run all kinds of basketball. tournaments out of. The size of the arena doesn't matter, the quality of the arena does. Right. And now they have, they have event anything. They have too many. They have Thomas Mac. They got T-Mobile, MGM Grand Garden, and they have, which obviously nothing's like T-Mobile.

Team Mobile. Team is like a legit NBA arena. They have a pro hockey team there. Of course, yeah. But you have, right? You have plenty of different facilities, but in terms of being connected to a hotel, Orleans is that one. I actually think it would be better if this were to happen because you would, of course, not be having fans there, that you'd want to play it in a more intimate arena because you're going to have depth issues in a bigger space that's empty anyway. So the smaller and more intimate the spaces for these proposed games would be better anyway. Yeah, I mean, if they play in the North and South Gym at UNLV, like those guys would look like complete giants and the floor would look so small.

So, yes. Well, I mean, look, that's why I always thought maybe the Lakers facility would be the best place because in terms of space, they play G league games. It's got enough stands there. They have had TV cameras in there as well. Like, that's the one. These practice facilities are probably a little bit better set up. But then the problem becomes, where do you put everybody? How do you transport people?

Right. Whereas in Vegas, they've kind of cleared the town. And, you know, they're kind of built. Like you said, they're built for this. So I don't know. Like I was dead set against any sort of Vegas thing. Just like, eh, I don't know. It makes sense.

They're at a resort. But now the more you think about it, I thought about, you know, again, basketball at its core of what it is, like a tournament. And by the way, it wouldn't be terrible to have something to bet on and the fact that it's in Vegas and all these things could be going on at once. While people couldn't travel to Vegas, it would still kind of generate some, you know, some momentum for it for the town that obviously has to be. just devastated by this. I'm kind of in on the idea, and I do, and having talked to some NBA people, it does have some legs.

And I, and I think what, I think, look, what, what, who is it, Mark Cuban, Mark Cuban now went from having a hard and fast dance up. We got to get this thing going by set date to, we don't know. The NBA has to get this thing in. I think LeBron should, if anything,

he should be, we want to get this thing in, not just financially, but how many years is you going to have this opportunity to win a championship? I'm sure he's devastated by the fact that they were rolling and just beating the clippers and the bucks and seemed to have figured everything out. But the window closes a little bit with every passing year, every passing season.

I would think you would want to get this one in. But I am putting me down for the team Vegas, get back to the idea of summer basketball, let's do a pool play. Everybody can advance to the tournament. You can still do series of three games, five games, best of seven don't care. But I think Vegas would be

kind of like NASCAR racing on the sand at Daytona or baseball playing. You know, they do this with baseball once a year where you play on you know, up in Williamsport. You know, it would be kind of getting back to the core of what all these guys did before they became

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Like if you're Cincinnati, is there something the dolphins can do? They do have two first round picks this, three first round picks this year, two next year, two second round this year. Like, is there a trade to be made there if you're the Bengals? I mean, if you want to trade the pick, there's a trade to be made. For the Bengals, because I doubt Andy Dalton's their quarterback this year, they're going to need a quarterback. So, sure, you can always make a trade, but I think they'd probably like to draft a quarterback,

and Burrow would be the number one guy. But I guess the question is by how much, right? Like, there is, some people have tiers, and they have Burrow and Tua in the same tier, or do you believe that Burrow is, based upon your film study, far and above everyone else as far as a prospect? Based on my film study, I would argue that Burrow was clearly the number one quarterback prospect in his class. What impresses you most about what he's able to do?

I think he has every trait that you would look for in an NFL quarterback with the exception of higher-level arm strength, and different people will draw different conclusions as to the relative importance of arm strength and having a power arm. But other than that, I think Burrow has every trade you would look for, and I think he's clearly the number one prospect in this class. You know what's interesting, Doug, and this really blew me away. When I was at the Combine, you know,

I got a chance to talk to, you know, a number of people in the league coaches. I remember distinctly one coach telling me that he thought that Tua was a backup at best, and I was blown away by that. But I think, you know, one thing about Tua is when you watch his tape, he's very efficient within the context of the Alabama offense, but I'm not sure there's anything in watching his tape that wows you. Almost all quarterbacks, by the way, with very few exceptions, are system quarterbacks, and I think Tua falls very strongly into that category.

What is he missing? I don't think his arm is real strong. I think that he needs the offense to define the reeds and the throws for him. I don't think he'll be an athlete in the NFL the way many people think. I think he's going to have to be a rhythm-timing NFL quarterback. He can be successful. I'm not suggesting at all that he won't be successful, but I think you need to understand what he is, what his game is.

They ran a ton of RPO's at Alabama. They define the throws for him. He's very rhythmic. And I think there's nothing wrong with that, but I think that's what he is. I think Burrow has a much better feel for movement, both within the pocket and outside the pocket. Greg Goselle joining us in the Doug Gottlieb show on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, Greg, so if you're not as high on Tua as many analysts and people who are just fans or even pundits are, is there a quarterback who you are higher on that other people are more down on?

Well, not knowing exactly what other people think. I happen to like Jordan Love. I watched him last summer with his 2018 season, and then, of course, I watched him this year with his 2019 season. And I like Jordan Love. I think that he has what I would call ball distributor traits. He's another guy who can play rhythmically. He's big.

He's 6-4-223 pounds. He can move and throw. You know, I think that his combination of traits makes him as intriguing a prospect as there is in the draft. I think when you look at the traits and the attributes, you see a higher level arm talent. He can throw with velocity. He can throw with touch. He's got more than enough mobility. So Jordan Love to me is of the top group, probably the most interesting prospect in the draft. Why is he, why did he struggle so mightily this year? A lot of people have said, hey, decision-making, he's a developmental quarterback. Why the thought that there was a regression this

year? Well, I think there's some issues that need to be cleaned up, and I think that's true of most. I would say one of his issues was the fact that he did not always throw with a firm base and the needed balance, and he had a tendency to drift to his left when releasing the ball, and that would cause accuracy and ball placement

issues. It got a little better as the season progressed. That's coachable. There were times I would say he dropped his arm angle, which also caused some issues. I think that he needs to develop a little bit of a better feel for what kind of throw is demanded for specific routes.

But again, then it comes down to how coaches feel about what can and can't be cleaned up. But he certainly has high-level trades, and he has really good size. Doug Gottlieb, in for Colin. This is the herd on Fox Sports Radio. Greg CoSell is our guest. Okay, help me out with a quarterback who intrigues me because there was some that thought he was coming back. He could be the number one overall pick. and then if you look at the awards won, you go, wait a second, he's the MVP of the PAC-12.

He ends up, you know, winning a Rose Bowl. When you see Justin Herbert on tape, what do you see? Yeah, and I think Herbert is one of those guys that everybody gets excited because size, arm strength, excellent movement and mobility. But I think when you really do a close study, you see some things, again, that are a little concerning, and then you have to decide how you feel. about those things. He's much more of what I call a see-it-throw-it-courtback. He does not have a great sense of timing and anticipation. This could also be a function of his offense, but I don't think

he shows what I call the ball distributor traits where he drops back, hits the back foot, the ball comes out rhythmically. I think he's been a little inaccurate. I think that I wouldn't necessarily call him scatter-shot, but I think he missed too many routine throws with less than precise ball placement. And I think that that was an issue throughout his tape. So I think that there are some things that he needs to clean up as well. And now you get down to specific coaches, Doug, and how do they feel about that? Great CoSell, our guests here in the herd. Then you have that kind of next group. You have Jake Fromm, who wasn't great at the combine, small hands, arm strength issues, but played a lot of football. You got Jacob Eason.

A guy very, very highly touted, well coached at Wisconsin, I mean, excuse me, at Washington. And then you have Jalen Hertz, so, of course, put up huge numbers this year, did start Alabama, has a big chip on his shoulder, is an athletic quarterback. There's Anthony Gordon at a Washington State. You look at what Mike Leach's quarterbacks are starting to do in the league. Of that group, is there one that you believe could be a starting quarterback? Well, the guy who fascinates me the most is Jacob Eason. Because Jacob Eason is kind of old school.

He's not quite Carson Palmer, but he fits into that mold. He's essentially a pocket quarterback. He's got some functional mobility, but he will succeed or fail based on his ability to play effectively and consistently from the pocket. He throws the ball beautifully. It comes out easily. He's got a big arm. You know, he's a little bit old school, like I said.

Now everybody tends to look for guys that can move around and make plays outside the pocket. Now, he played obviously one year as a true freshman at Georgia and did well, and then had this year at Washington and did well. He will be a fascinating litmus test to me in this era of movement quarterbacks to see how the NFL values the big strong pocket quarterback who can sit in the pocket and make the throws. Now, again, he's got some things he's got to work out as well, but that's essentially what he is. You've been watching a lot of tape on these wide receivers, I know getting ready for the draft, and there's a super depth of wide receivers.

You know, Jerry Judy, Ruggs is just a freak athlete, C.D. Lamb, Michael Pittman, T. Higgins. Of that wide receiving group, is there one that separates himself above the rest? Well, I've been on record. I think Jerry Judy is the top receiver in this draft class. I think his ability to run routes as a college player is unmatched. I'm not going to sit here and say,

because I've been doing this for a while, that he's the best route runner I've ever seen coming into college. But he has a great understanding of how to run routes. He's got great quickness. To me, there isn't anything Jerry Judy can't do. The one thing, and I've heard people talk about this, and I think it's valid. At this point in time, you would not call him a contested 50-50 catch type of receiver. He probably won't win with physicality, high-pointing the ball.

For some, that could be important, and I'm not saying it's not important, but I think his ability to run routes, and he's very good run-after-catch. really elusive. He's shifting. He's got stop and start ability. I thought he was the best wide receiver prospect in the class, and I didn't think there was a guy who was that close to second, but I know I'm in the minority when it comes to that. There is a big group. Is there one, though, that jumps out, and you're like, a little disappointing the more I watch on tape? I'm not necessarily disappointing. You know, I mean, C.D. Lamb, I think is a strong prospect. I know a lot of people really have him rated highly above Judy.

I don't quite see him that way, so I don't think he's disappointing, but I don't see him that way. I mean, when you ask me a question like that, Doug, the thing is, I don't get to know these kids necessarily, so I sit and I watch tape. And because of my NFL background, all I think about is projecting and transitioning to the league. So I don't know how others think. I know how I see these guys in my own way. I think it's a really good class.

What I'm most interested in, to be honest with you, about this wide receiver class, and it's one of the main storylines in the 2020 draft is there's a ton of big receivers. And I'm really curious to see how the league views these big receivers. Because we've reached this point where the big receiver isn't as valuable. You need guys that are better route runners. Is it because they're more valuable, the Mike Williams of the world where you can just throw it up to them? Why is the big receiver intriguing to you? Well, with very few exceptions.

I mean, there's not 50 Julio Jones. He's a special, special guy. Sure. So with few exceptions, big receivers are not as sudden and explosive in their movement as smaller guys. So then the question becomes for a lot of people, can they win and separate versus NFL quality man-to-man corners? Or does it not matter if they can't separate because their size, body position, can compensate for it? and then they do have the ability theoretically to go up and get the ball over smaller corners. So those receivers become in the eye of the beholder.

That's why I'm fascinated to see where some of these guys, like T. Higgins from Clemson, a player, I really like his tape. He had a very poor pro day in terms of certain times and measurables. I think his tape suggests that he could be a really good player in the league. I'm very anxious to see where he gets drafted. Yeah, and it also has to correlate, though, with the quarterback they play with, right? Like if you have a quarterback, some of these guys aren't crazy accurate, so you need somebody with a great catch radius. And then you have other guys that are crazy accurate,

and you need somebody who separate. There has to be kind of a correlation between, you know, when Cam Newton was in Carolina, obviously had Steve Smith, who was a great route runner. But other than that, they tried to surround him with bigger wide receivers because he wasn't a crazy accurate guy, so they needed guys with a bigger catch radius, fair? No, you're 100% right.

and so it depends on what you're looking for and what fits your team. Sometimes you can also get a quarterback who may not be super accurate, but if you have a really good defense and you can run the ball effectively, you know, you look at Buffalo with Josh Allen, a really good example of that. Josh Allen may never be a precise ball placement thrower. Justin Herbert may be that guy as well. He may not be that precise ball placement thrower. Then it becomes a function of the team.

There's many other variables because, as I said, very few guys are transcendent prospects. Greg CoSell joining us. Last one. My concern about Tom Brady is not that he can't throw the deep ball, but if you look at tape, with the exception when he had Randy Moss, like his leading wide receiver is Troy Brown, Roshay Calwell, Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, you know, Danny Amandola.

I know they had the one year, obviously, where Gronk was his leading wide receiver. They have tight ends. They don't have a gronk, but they have two good tight ends in O.J. Howard and Cameron Bray. They obviously have very good wide receivers, but he's always used the back, and he's always used an underneath slot guy on those option routes on third down. That's who Tom Brady is. Does he fit the style by which and personnel of the Tampa Buccaneers? Well, let's start with the fact that Bruce Ariens has been doing this a long time, and he's a smart guy. And secondly, as far as the deep ball, he can throw scripted verticals.

And by that, I mean routes that are called where you drop back. It's a timing throw. and he can make those throws. But I think ultimately he'll fit. There'll be a marriage between Ariens, what he wants to do and what he likes to do, and what Brady does. It's like Peyton Manning when he went to Denver. If you're going to sign Tom Brady,

you understand what he does well. He's a terrific play-action quarterback. He's a rhythm player, and then you add in some of those scripted verticals. But their receivers work fine. Evans and Godwin, if you hit them in stride on in-breaking-type routes with their big bodies and their run after catch, you'll gain yards.

So, yeah, I don't see that as being a problem at all. Greg, great stuff, man. Hope you're healthy and safe. Same to everybody at NFL films, and we appreciate you spending some time with us in the herd. Same to you, Doug. I really appreciate it. Be well.

All right, that is Greg CoSell. Let's get to Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So the Colts decided to sign Philip Rivers and Free Agency despite showing some early interest in Tom Brady. And head coach Frank Wright explained why they decided to pass on Brady.

I did tell you that we did look at all the guys. I will tell you, I looked at his tape. The guy's incredible. I mean, I watched all of his tape from the last two years. I think he's still playing at a super, super high level. We know he's the best of all time for a reason. As many championships as he won. He's still through a couple of balls in games.

I'm saying, how's this guy throwing this ball this far? He's incredible. I mean, I have the utmost respect for him as a player and competitor. You know, for us, we got the guy we thought was the right fit for us. But this is a guy who I respect and admire immensely, obviously, along with everybody else. I never thought that the Colts was a good space for Brady. It doesn't make sense to go somewhere where just recently,

and one of your pretty much rivals throughout your career, had a dominant career there. Like, that's, that's, that's, that's, it's just a weird space for him to go. I just never felt like that was a fit for him. Every other rumored place made sense, including the Chargers, with Philip Rivers leaving there. Like, no disrespect to Philip Rivers, but Brady has six championships.

So it's just a different, it's a different place. You're not walking past a statue. I, I don't, I also don't believe, one I don't believe that Tom Brady considered, Indy or really should have considered Indy, but I also don't consider the Indy passed on Tom Brady, right? Like, do we really believe that Indy was like, oh, what Tom's calling? Tell him, tell him I'm not in.

Tell him I'm not in. We're not interested. Like, that didn't happen. Well, I mean, that's, no. That's like the guy like, yeah, you know, he didn't say that they didn't consider him. He never said they didn't consider him. He kind of made it out like we passed and we chose Philip Rivers and we won Philip Rivers instead.

Well, you also don't want to make it seem like you lost out on Tom Brady and got Phillip Rivers instead. So it's a little bit of a, you know, the PR game there. I'm with you. It didn't make any sense to me. But I'll tell you this. I mean, did Tampa really make sense?

Like, I guess. No, Tampa, I thought, had less of a chance than the Colts. And I didn't think that the Colts was an option either. So Tampa definitely surprised me. I have since completely come around on the Tampa situation. Yeah. I love it. I can't wait to see how it works.

I think they'll make the playoffs. And he's winning the divorce temporarily in every single way. But I did not see Tampa Bay coming at all. I did not think he had a chance. I didn't either. I didn't either. But I also didn't really see Miami coming. But Miami apparently was a player because that's where Giselle wanted to live.

So, you know. I thought Miami could be a possibility for that reason. And, you know, playing the Patriots twice a year. Yeah, playing the Patriots. But now that he's not staying in the AFC East, it makes sense that he didn't either. I think this whole thing was how free agency, huge free agency moves always go, which is we discuss it at length forever, analyze all of it, follow all the breadcrumbs, have all the discussions.

And in the end, none of us know anything at all until he's made a decision because he didn't know what he was doing. So it's fun. I enjoyed every second of it. And I'm going to enjoy the result of that decision too. I'm going to enjoy watching it. But nobody really knew anything. So Sam Darnold hasn't had much help on the offensive side of the ball. has joined the Jets in 2018 and GM Joe Douglas is making it a top priority to get him more support.

He said, doing everything we can. We're doing everything we can to help Sam succeed as the team's focus. And they want to avoid a situation where he is under fire at all times with protection issues. The Jets quarterbacks were sacked 52 times in 2019. That's the fourth most in the NFL. He was sacked 33 times Sam Darnel. He only played in 13 games. That's a lot. They ranked 28, according to pro football focus, in pass blocking.

And total offense, they ranked 29. So obviously, they are going to need to improve if they're going to give Sam Darnold's chance. But I do think the Jets will be better than they were last year simply because they're going to have Sam Darnel for the whole year. Assuming the Sam Darnold is not going to get mono and is going to be healthy for the whole year, that's going to be an improved situation. I think that no one is going to ever say, they won't say this. we'll say it maybe first, which is, will the Patriots be as good without Brady? No.

And their record will on some level reflected. But what might not be is this is maybe the strongest. In the next two years, you could have the strongest, the AFC East has been maybe in the last 20 years, right? The bills have made the playoffs two of the last three years. Josh Allen's not going to get worse. He's going to get better. And they got him Stefan Diggs.

That's a well-coach, well-run franchise. Yeah. The dolphins seem on the right upward trajectory. They're going to load up with talent if they get the right quarterback. Obviously, and I'm a Sam Donald believer. I don't know if Joe Douglas can fix all that's been done around him. I don't know if Adam Gase is an elite coach, although he appeared that way at some level in Denver.

But I do think considering you have two young quarterbacks that one is already playing the playoffs, the other one was seven and two last year. You still, and if the one we can't figure out is New England, we think they'll figure it out. I think it could be a really good division, solid this year and then next year, even better. I agree. And that's Joey Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

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And we were talking about Frank Reich and whether or not Tom Brady would have even considered or was a good fit there. I thought even more telling Joy or, you're more fantastic. The Colts made it out seem like, look, we chose Philip Rivers instead of Tom Brady, which I think is kind of a load. Additionally, Frank Wright came out.

Now look, Frank Reich has been the quarterback coach and offense coordinator for Phillip Rivers. So when he closes his eyes and sees Philip Rivers, he remembers him as an elite guy. I'm a huge Philip Rivers fan, I got to tell you, this dude, when I heard Frank Reich yesterday said there is no difference in the arm strength of Philip Rivers, that may be accurate. I don't think it is just because the idea that a guy in his late 30s will have the same arm, but he's not the same quarterback. He was a turnover machine. He had 20 interceptions last year, and many of them were the backbreaking type that cost the Chargers games.

and maybe he's right in terms of the arm strength is the same, but what happens is it's a lot like pitchers in baseball. When they tire, I think we all grew up playing like RBI baseball. So we think when you tire, you lose a couple miles an hour off. Whereas when you tire or when you age, the first thing to go is actually your accuracy. You're still throwing 98, you just don't know where it's going. Well, the difference here with Philip Rivers is maybe his arm has the same strength, the same pop to it.

But maybe it's his legs or his lower body or his decision making. You know, I know he was sacked, I think, 66 times the last two years. He can't mentally get out of the way. He can't physically get out of the way. And he made terrible. You can tell me all you want that he's got the same arm, but he is not the same player. I don't buy that for one second. That's why he signed a one-year deal there.

Yeah. I mean, I thought that Philip Rivers was going to retire. I was actually very surprised that he ended up. somewhere this year. Now, the Colts, obviously, once that story started to, you know, catch a little theme, it made sense. But I don't have high expectations of Phillip Rivers this year. And that's nothing against him. I've enjoyed watching his career. I think he's a fun player. I think he's a great personality. He's notorious for his personality and trash talking on the field. But I think we've seen the best of him. And it's just his, it's his final year. And I don't think we're

going to see much different from him this year. They had a lot of time. Yeah, it's, it's fascinating. It's like, okay, now you give him a good offensive line, but you take away all the weapons they have with the Chargers and you make them a year older with the new team. Granted, they're in a dome, so the weather won't be, won't affect him. I just, I just, like, if Frank Reich's trying to sell me that they passed on Tom Brady for Philip Rivers and that Philip Rivers is the same guy that he used to coach, I'm not believing

either of those. Sorry, I'm not not buying either of those. Well, I don't think he's necessarily trying to pitch that they passed on Tom Brady. I think he's just trying to say that they got the guy they wanted, which can be interpreted however you want to interpret it. But again, I don't think it was a one layer with the Colts. Like, I don't think it was just how is Brady playing. How is Philip Rivers playing?

I think the Payton Manning legacy in Indy played a role of like, is it even right if we're taking these guys at the end of their career to bring in Tom Brady to this situation. Like they may have said, look, like, PR-wise, as far as our fans go, we don't want to do this, even if he is better than Philip Rivers at this point in their career. You know what I mean? It's so much more layered in Indy to me than just how is Philip Rivers playing. How is Tom Brady playing? What else is fascinating about Indy is we don't even mention Andrew Luck, who was great, right?

But it's almost as if his greatness didn't exist, even though he just retired in the third or fourth preseason game last year. Right. But I wouldn't think of it as disrespectful for Brady to come into the Colts after three-lawful. Whereas the Manning thing is kind of like, no, no, no, but it almost it makes your point. Look, I understand what you're saying is like it's one thing to go to another team. It's another thing to go to another team that was a rival. And frankly, you guys were the nemesis of them. Right.

And, you know, in the pantheon of great quarterbacks, Peyton Manning was considered the greatest of all time. People forget that, like, it's, we're like three years removed from everyone considering Peyton Manning. Football guys are like, well, look, I know he wasn't great in the playoffs, but Peyton Manning is the greatest quarterback ever. And now you can't, I don't, I don't, he's, I always term Tom Brady is the most successful quarterback of all time.

I don't know if he's the greatest quarterback, just because of how quickly we went from Peyton Manning, and then it was, I was, as Aaron Rogers to a certain extent. Well, I think Joe Montana was like the consensus goat for a while. Right, because four Super Bowls won all of them. But to make your point even more profound and breakthrough and to agree with it is, here's Andrew Luck, who's going to be in the Hall of Fame, was a great quarterback.

Granted his career shortened and cut in pieces because of injury. And nobody says the Indianapolis Colts are Andrew Luck's team, right? It's still Peyton Manning's team, because his presence was so large, and they were so successful, so consistently, for so long before he left. And he went to the Broncos, who, by the way, the Broncos are not Peyton Manning's team.

They're still John Elway's team, right? That is, in fact, the way it works. Joy and I will continue on here. Top of next hour. You know, we don't need full Belichick, but a little Bill Belichick in your life will help you during this time

of homeschooling your children. Huh? The Belichick, the Patriot way, could work for everybody. I'll prove it to you next, along with Joy Taylor. I'm Doug Gottlie. This is The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd,

weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. What up? Welcome in. This is The Herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be making this part of your day. Thanks so much alongside the super talented and always working Joy Taylor. I'm Doug Gottlie. going in for a Colin Coward as, how many days we've been on lockdown now?

This is, today is Thursday, right? Here's how, how amazing life is, right? It was, let's see here, three weeks ago, right? Three weeks ago on a Thursday, which is today, right, about an hour, maybe an hour ago. I was driving to Los Angeles and I was set to host my radio show and then fly to Indianapolis and do the Big Ten tournament

on radio when everything was canceled. That's just, that's three weeks ago. Three weeks ago. Think about how your life has changed what your new normal is. Now for Joy, who has a bit of gorophobia, she doesn't really like people or to leave the house.

You didn't leave the house for three days? Yeah. did not open my front door for three days. I think I only like cracked a window actually like once in that three days too. And I realized it when I decided to go for a run and I was like, wow, I really, I have not even checked my mail. But yeah, I guess I'm lucky in that sense that this is kind of already my schedule and I don't really see humans after I leave work in the morning. So this is, it's obviously a little different on the weekends and it's it's a new normal for everybody but yeah I do I do not have a lot of human interaction which I guess yeah there's lots of things which I don't

know if how much we plan for um one of the things that that I have I've read and I've heard and I'm it stands to be accurate is because people are out on the streets like there's not the same there's not there's not there's no DUIs there's not you know there's you know crime is generally down people are at home so there's you know no home burglaries or whatever whatever. Obviously, there is some fear about what happens to stores that are there that are empty, you know, in the future, but especially with these new jobless claims, which are just through the roof. So obviously there's a lot of bad to it, and we hope to at some point in the near future come out of it. But you think of how life has changed. And, you know, one of the, one of the

reasons that they took longer to close the public schools, you got parents who are nurses. And, okay, so now if you're going to need more nurses on call, then who, you know, and, you know, You can't send your kid to daycare because you're trying to separate the population, and then you have to care for your kid at home. The whole thing is it is a balancing act that kind of works together. I have three children. Twins are 13, but they're actually in different schools. We don't have, this is not my show, nor is there a long enough show to explain why we split up the twins.

But if you have twins, you know that keeping them in different classes is generally seen as appropriate. We've done gone above and beyond that for what we have our own every kid's different and what they need their needs are different and then I have a son who's who just turned 11 actually during this we didn't do the whole hey neighborhood can celebrate his birthday from a distance just me and him kind of broling out all day we did the best we could um but we do what's called distance learning and distance learning is basically virtual learning online classes if you will there's lots of you who have gotten a degree or a secondary degree in college like this I've done that. Okay, but imagine doing it when you're 10, 11, 13, 14 years old. It's a little different. I was thinking about one of the core issues that I think we have, I think a lot of families are having right now. When I heard what Wes Welker said on a Boston radio station, essentially it was this, Joy. Doug Gottlieb, Joy Taylor, in for Colin. This is the heard on Fox Sports Radio, also on the IHeart Radio app. You can download us on Collins' podcast, which over 11 million people download per month.

It was essentially like everybody likes coach. Coach Belichick is a great coach. She has great structure, but you want to have fun. And, you know, look, I get that, that people want to have fun. But I will tell you that there is something to the structure and discipline that even the best athletes crave. Now, you may at some point have had, I've done. done that for 20 years. I want to have fun my last couple years. But everyone in sports knows that that a healthy amount of discipline is a good thing. And people do crave discipline and structure.

The best example I can get is this. So here's how my family works. I have a daughter who has, they've been doing the, she's in a private school, they do distance learning. They've been doing it for like two weeks. She's got every class. The classes are shorter than normal. But then they do breakdown online sessions as well with smaller groups. So she's basically from 8.45, she's got a 45 minutes class, then she's got a break, and then another one, another one. So she's got to be up, and she's been getting up at like 835. We'd make her brush her teeth and brush her hair, and we let her do anchor clothing,

which meant, you know, from the top up, waist up, she had to get dressed something decently, right? Then her twin sister is in a public school and she's a very good student. So we kind of let her sort of do her own thing. And her lectures by her teachers were recorded. So she's like, why don't I got to get up at 8 o'clock when I could just wake up at 11 o'clock and watch the thing online and then do my homework and I'm fine? And then my son, they do a Zoom meeting like at 10 o'clock, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and then there's another group that does it Tuesday and Thursday as well,

and basically it's Handout City. It was a chaotic mess for a week. And then we came up with the, you know, they need structure. They used to get up at 7 o'clock every morning, and you know what? We're getting them up at 7 o'clock every morning. Everybody's going to take a shower and brush your teeth and have breakfast, and you know what? They operate better that way.

They just do. Now, that doesn't mean that Bruce Ariens is going to operate with no structure, right? He's not going to let Tom Brady come in. Tom, when are you coming in a day? I don't know, 11, 11.30. Like, we're all reasonable that even though the discipline is not as tough, as stringent in Tampa. It's not like it's non-existent. They're not going to.

Do you guys want to show up Sunday? Cool. We're going to play a football game. It's not the way it works. But I do think that the most brilliant people, like they just don't operate great when they don't. have structure when they don't have a set calendar and I get that you want to have fun but you know that fun isn't always good for you. It also makes the time when you don't have games and you can't have fun less fun when you're constantly having when you're constantly out having a good time.

Like there needs to be structured. There needs to be disciplined. I think we all need a little bit of Belichick in our life. Can it be too much? Can it be too overbearing? Yes. Yes. Absolutely. I get it. But I kind of think, you know, that there's a method to the madness and that athletes in their heart of hearts know they need and crave structure, whether it's because that's how they've always been and that's where they believe they perform the best, whether it's because the rest of their lives are chaotic, whether it's because that's the only way to get, you know, 53 dudes, 46 on a game day aligned on the same path. I think we need a little Belichick, and I think this push for, no statement of fun is, and, and like, look, the Philadelphia Eagles famously said, we want to have more fun. We're going to have more fun than the Patriots. They won the Super Bowl two years ago.

What's happened to the Eagles since? What happened to the Patriots since? That's kind of case closed. Now, is that a fair case study? No, of course not. They had massive injuries, still got to the playoffs last year, and they're in two different timelines. two different groups of personnel and in two very different divisions. But I hear Welker, I know what he's saying, I've heard it before from other people,

just somebody's going to have to explain to me why everyone else is in search of more fun and they're not winning as many football games in New England. Is it only because of Tom Brady? I don't think that to be true. Joy, you're a perfect example of this, right? So you don't have children. You do have a job. You are actually working probably harder now than you did before this.

thing. How much do you think you need structure in your life to be your best self? A hundred percent. I'm a very routine person. So when my routine is off if I'm not on vacation, I literally lose my mind. It's not a good space for me. I need to wake up at a certain time, park in the same parking spot,

eat the same thing for breakfast every day, be done with work at around the same time, do my workout at the same time. I just, I think it's, you know, you are what you habitually do, right? So if you have no structure, if you have no routine, if you have no positive habits, then you will have no positive results, which is the entire mantra of the Patriots way, right? Is that it's like focus and discipline and, you know, ultimate determination and sacrifice. And the fun is we get results and we win and we celebrate for like a night and then we're back at it again.

because it's just a championship way. And there's other organizations that follow that style, like you mentioned the Spurs earlier, but you also need the stars to make that work because it is about talent at the end of the day. You can have as much structure as you want. If you don't have the talent and talent that buys into that structure, you know, it's just an idea.

My late father used to always say that, like, on the back of a disciplinarian, you usually get one year where you get the carryover where guys still have the culture of discipline which allowed them to learn how to be successful and then you kind of you then you can have some fun as well and I think what's going to be interesting for Brady is while I think he'll have a great time this year without the weather in New England can just beat you down right and the fact that it's new, new is fun, right? It just, when you've been doing this,

when you've been driving to work the same way for 20 years and you're going to do new building, like, it's fun. I've switched jobs and switched corporations twice, and when you're first tired out, it's fun, it's super energizing. The thing that I think he may struggle with is the rest of his team did not come from that culture of discipline and punctuality and toughness, competitiveness, a winning culture and while it may be fun it also when if and when things go do not go well

how they adjust to that will be will be fascinating we don't know and that one year window may not be as big for brady because no one else is coming from that or very few others are coming from such a structured environment they're coming from bruce arians who is a five o'clock it's five o'clock somewhere let's crack a cold one let's not take ourselves too seriously which works for Bruce Ariens will ultimately work with Tom Brady and the structure and discipline he comes from. I'll just tell you this. If you're doing the homeschooling thing with your kids, like there's some pluses to it. This is time that you will not get back, but you got to do the structure thing.

You just do. You got to even if it's, you know, everybody wants kids to play on their own. Like when we were kids, like go outside. You're not allowed in the house. I used to get kicked out of our house on a Sunday. afternoon so my dad could watch his Richard Pryor tapes or listen to Richard Pryor albums. And it was, you know, he'd say he'd watch comedy. He's like, ah, everybody goes out.

He'd literally lock the doors and we'd be outside. We'd have to play outside. Like, even the structure of a 30 minutes unscripted, you guys go outside, don't go in your other kids, but go ride your bikes or your skateboard. It's like even that, I think, works for kids in that everybody needs kind of some structure, some discipline. Everybody needs a little Belichick in their life. Be interesting to see how Brady adjust to not having that.

structure. Along with Joy Taylor, I'm Doug Gowley. This is the herd. There's one scenario, I believe, is the best option for the NBA to finish their season, to have some fun, and really get back to the core of what basketball in the summer, frankly,

is. I'll propose that to Chris Mannix, who will join us upcoming next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the I-Hard Radio app. Doug Gollib, And this is the herd, Joy Taylor, alongside.

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Limitations apply. Chris Mannix joins us. Sports Illustrated senior writer covering the NBA. Also, boxing. covers boxing as well. Manix, you were telling me you live by yourself in Boston, but you've been getting out occasionally and going to Vermont. Is that accurate?

Still accurate. Yeah, I try to do like four days and three. I still got to do a lot of video stuff for SI, so I can't go to Vermont the entire time because, you know, basically it's a bunker up there. But much as I can, Doug. You know, here's the big thing that people don't tell you about. The good news is there's no pollution.

right like the skies in Los Angeles and no smile everything's beautiful the flowers are blooming people are out walking like it's really traffic is like I will I will tell people this this is a big one this is Colin gives Uncle Colin advice I've never again Uncle Doug advice

but here's one if you're going to go on a trip if you're going to go for a drive longer than 30 minutes yes you can factor and you can set out how many miles you are from that place and that's how long it'll take you right which is like, wow, this is really 60 miles, takes me 60 minutes.

There is a big caveat you had to prepare for it. I don't know, Mannix, have you been faced with this? You better go to the bathroom before you leave, right? Because you can't, the idea of a, I just stop and find a place. Like, no, no, no, that's not the way. I don't know how it works on the interstates in New England. In California, we don't have those rest stops. But, I mean, that does not seem like the most sanitary.

place to begin with, and I don't even know if they're open in New England. Like, you're going to go on a, like for me, it's an hour up to Sherman Oaks where we broadcast out of. You got to make sure you go beforehand because midway, there's literally nowhere to stop. You have to hold it. Well, yeah, but I mean, Doug, you were an East Coast guy for, for a while. Like, in the East Coast, there's plenty of arrest stops, you know, along the way on the highway. And, you know, for men, there are like, you know, pull-offs and March section. No, no, no, I'm not talking about number one.

I'm talking about number two. I don't want to get too deep into number two, but I don't know, one, are the rest stops even open? Two, do they have toilet paper? I don't know these things. Doug, I swear to God, it's like two and a half hours from my house from Boston to Vermont. I've owned the place for a few years.

Never in my life has this conversation occurred to me, ever. That's why I want to bring it. I'm looking out for you. I don't want to, I don't want you in a, predicament. What happened to Manix? Like, you don't want to, it is a crazy story, but he really had to go, and he's driving around some town in New Hampshire, you know, trying to find a place to go to the restroom on his way to Vermont. Chris Manix joins us. Knocking on doors, just asking random strangers if I could use their facility. Yes, yes, yes, yes, got a mask on, gloves on, knocking on doors asking to use their

facility. You wrote a piece in SI.com about how Vegas could be the best option for the NBA plus. When I originally read it, I was like that I just, I don't, I'm not feeling it. It feels it doesn't. Then I started to think, I think my childhood summers were spent in Vegas playing hoop. Easter had May West had a big tournament there. And then the John Farrell High School National Championship. They've had the Fab 48 there. Team USA's been there.

Summer League's there. I think this has got legs. Is this their best option to get in basketball back being played? I think, to put it even more bluntly, I think it's their best option. At this point, it's the only option. The people I talk to have, and understand this is always still a very fluid situation, but the people I've talked to have strongly suggested that within the walls of the league office, they just don't believe that traditional city-to-city postseason is possible.

I mean, we could be in a place in two months where, and let's use Memphis and L.A. as an example, the potential Western Conference first-round matchup. You could see things in Tennessee significantly reduced, right? You could see, you know, the FedEx Forum being available to host at least a closed-door NBA playoff series. At the same time, Los Angeles could still be. under siege. And you couldn't have a game at the Staples Center, even if it is behind closed doors. And that could be the case across the country. So to take that entirely off the table, putting teams and putting the entire league effectively in one place is really the only place

that makes sense. And as I wrote today, there really isn't anything under serious consideration of the loss of all the people I talk to that have discussed this, or at least know of these discussions that said Vegas is the only thing to the league that makes any sense because of all the things you kind of mention there summer league is there relationships with hotels with casinos with venues are there logistically it would be the easiest place to pull off so you know we can get into what has to happen but as far as logistics go that's the only place that makes sense um obviously new york is seen as a hot spot there are players that live there are players in these major cities. The major cities are, have some of the most troubling numbers. How does, how does that

affect, how is that affecting the NBA's ability to get this thing back underway? Well, I mean, as much as anything, and this was made clear to me at the higher levels, like everything they're discussing is under the, is with the caveat that major things have to change. Like, you have to see this country take a dramatic downturn in positive tests. I mean, you, you're going to, you all the talk about the curve, that curve has to be plummeting to have the NBA even consider coming back. Because, I mean, you simply can't do it if things are still in the uptick, no matter where you decide to have an event like this. The other big thing is that testing needs to become basically as available as thermometers. Like, you have to be able to be the equivalent of walking into a CVS and buying a coronavirus test.

That's how available it has to be for the league to pull it off. because, you know, they're already taking a bit of a beating, you know, because of the private test that they're getting. And I go back and forth on that, Doug. I don't know about you, but I go back and forth on whether the NBA should be taking that kind of beating. But they can't, you know, justify doing an event that would require probably north of 10,000 tests when you factor in players, staffers competing on different days, the amount of support people that have to be in Las Vegas for something like that to be pulled off. you can't justify having that type of event without that type of testing available and available to everybody, not just to the league in general.

So that's probably the biggest hurdle the NBA has got to overcome getting the testing to a place, or at least the country getting the test to a place, where it doesn't seem like the NBA is being selfish in trying to pull off a financially profitable event. Chris Mannix, joining Sports Illustrated. Doug Gottlieb, Joy Taylor, in for calling. This is the heard on Fox Sports Radio. and on the IHeart radio app, is there a drop dead date? Sorry for the wording if you're offended by that, but that's, we know,

is there a date that they have to decide, and if there's no all clear, then we got to wrap this thing up and cancel the season? Not yet, but I'm sure it's being discussed. The people I've talked to have suggested that in order to salvage some kind of postseason, the league's clearly willing to go into August and maybe even willing to go into September just to get something done. But the reality is at some point

you have to start thinking about the 2020, 2020, 2021 season. And the significant disruptions it would cause to take the league deep into the summer and even into September. I mean, look, you get into September, you're talking about training camps scheduled to open in late September.

And if you're trying to mess with the schedule, you'd bring back kind of four, games in five nights, some of the NBA takes great pride in legislating out, more back-to-back. The NBA doesn't want to do that. So these are all kind of being bandied about, these topics being bandied about. But there really isn't a date yet. One thing that does have to be considered, and this is a conversation, I think, that might lead to points of conflict with the players union, is that when players come back, they're going

to want a training camp. I mean, they're going to want to go two, three, maybe four weeks to get their bodies back to the kind of shape you need to play a postseason. You're going to need guys to shake off all the facts have gained over the last couple of months and get ready for it. So even if you say, all right, we're back June 1st. That really doesn't mean you're back until June 20th or even June 28th or something like that.

That's another issue I think is going to come up. Guys just can't come back. They've got to have something to build them up to the point of playing game. Well, that's – and the longer they're out, the longer that buildup will be. and then you want to play play playoff games do they have. That's why my suggestion is you go to the, you go to pool play where, and even,

and more of a modern day pool play, right? I hate to do with when I was a kid, but when I was a kid, pool play, you had to get first and second place out of your pool to advance, right? Kind of like the World Cup, right, first or second place. You don't have to do that anymore, and they don't do that in tournaments anymore,

but pool play, everybody automatically advances. But if you did pool play into a big tournament, and the big tournament had, had series attached to it, I think that might work, or even, you know, just the idea of they get some games because you can't go zero to NBA playoffs,

caliber, speed, and toughness, and expect guys not to get hurt, and you'll have just so many uneven games. I agree. And to that point, the one thing I was told, and I wrote this today, like, nothing's really off the table.

Like, if there's a way to crown a champion and to get that television revenue flowing once again, they're going to find a way to get it done. So whether it's pool play, some kind of tournament, significantly reducing the number of games played per round. All these things are available. And look, there's a, you know, once this, you know, obviously safety first, but once this all subsides,

there will be a fascination to it because I don't know how players are going to come back. I mean, what happens if, like, the super young Memphis Grizzlies have been keeping in better shape and the older Los Angeles Lakers have not? and the Grizzlies suddenly look like the better team in a post-game series. I mean, I'm skeptical, but we don't know. I mean, who is going to gain the most weight. You're not, I mean, people forget, like, Sean Kemp's career. Yeah.

Was ruined by this because he was, there was about a group of probably 20 players. If you go back and look at the lockout shortened season, that guys came back and they came back heavy, and they were never the same. They got hurt or they established a bad reputation. It just showed their lack of work ethic. Whatever was, they did not come back. the same and we're going to have guys going to have guys like that. Okay, let's one of the other parts of this that I don't think people have gone to enough depth

is like take a look at Milwaukee who is on their way to a dream season, but they had, whenever we get to the off season, Janus is going to have a decision about that gigantic extension, whether or not he signs it. If he doesn't sign it, now a sudden we're waiting to see can they win a championship next year and what will be enough to keep him in Milwaukee. How big is having some sort of conclusion of this year to the Milwaukee Bucks? Oh, it's enormous because the Bucks were hoping that this would be the year that at least they get to the finals, maybe even win a championship, and the result of the postseason

would be enough to convince Yonis to stay. Now, I've always believed, and it is more kind of informed speculation than anything else, But I've always believed Janice was leaning towards staying. I mean, his connection to that city and what that team has become around him, I think are strong drawing points for him. But he has said publicly, like, he does want to see, you know, what this Bucs team evolved into over the course of a year. So if they lose the postseason, they lose something.

All that being said, Doug, I just can't see the Bucke. Even if Yonis doesn't sign that extension, I can't see the Bucs. doing anything but rolling the dice and saying, we're going to bring Janice back on an expiring contract next year and hope that we can turn this into something positive. In other words, I don't think this is a trade package big enough to make the bucks move on from Janus. He has become the definition of too big to trade.

I also think that it's big for LeBron. They have a legit chance to win it, and whether or not this is ideal for him, as he's expressed his disappointment, you know, he wants to ramp his body up. He was just in a rhythm. His team is playing the best. On the other hand, next year, you would think it gets prohibitively more difficult, right?

The Warriors will be back. Whether they'll be as good as they were before, they will be back. They will have staff. They will have Clay. They will have Draymond. And, you know, we think they'll have Andrew Wiggins, or maybe they don't, and they'll probably add another piece or two to that mix. The Rockets kind of are what they are, but maybe there's some adjustments made.

Like, I think if you're the Lakers, you want to push together. And the Clippers will have played. They may change a little bit in composition, but, you know, the only thing they were lacking was cohesion between Paul George and Kauai Leonard not having played together enough. While this would eliminate them as a favorite, they'd still be a favorite next year, it would eliminate some of the cohesion problems they have. If you're the Lakers, it's important to try and get one in because this is one of the years,

one of those probably last two years or so in which you think LeBron can win one. Yeah, I completely agree. For all the reasons you said there, the teams around the Lakers stand a chance of getting significantly better. And as well as LeBron has played this year, and it's the greatest 8-35 season in NBA history. And it's arguably an MVP type of season. He is just a year removed from missing 30-plus games with his first significant injury. And I mean, I'd like to sit here and think LeBron is indefatigable that he is just, just the exception to every rule out there we know about athletes, sports,

but at some point he wears down. And he played a lot of minutes this year. And he's going to be on a team that's probably going to need him to do a lot of the same thing next year. I mean, I think that the Lakers are in position to add to their roster this summer. They've got an exception worth about $10 million and another one worth about $4 million. But the free agent market, as we've seen it, is incredibly thin. A lot of restricted free agents out there, but not the unrestricted variety. so they may have a tough time landing that top guy.

So you don't want to say it, Doug, but it feels like this could be LeBron's best chance to win a championship for the duration of his career. It's an accurate statement, I believe, Chris, and we'll wait to see how it plays out. Great stuff, Chris, whether you're in Boston or in Vermont or in transit from Boston, Troop Vermont. Be safe.

Thanks so much for joining us. Send you a picture from the rest stop there, Doug, just for you. Fair enough. Make sure you wear gloves, hazmat, whatever. Anytime you stop at the rest stop, but especially right now. Be safe. Thanks so much, Chris. Let's get to Joy Taylor with the news.

No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Joy, do you stop at rest stops? If I have to, I'm a girl. I know, there are some people that are like no chance I'm ever stopping at a restaurant. No, I mean, I do not enjoy road trips, so I don't have to often stop at road. at rest stops because I don't go on a lot of road trips.

But yeah, I mean, I don't have the option of, as Chris just said, like pulling over to the side of the road. So yeah, I have to stop at rest stops. But what I've learned throughout everything that's happening is that I'm a huge germaphobe. So I like don't touch doornobs. And I kind of like maneuver through everything and like touch the least amount of things

and spend the least amount of time possible in rest stops. So if I do, if I have to, I do, but, you know, I avoid it as much as possible. So the Texans stunned the NFL when they traded DeAndre Hopkins to the Cardinals. And one NFL executive told Mike Sando of the athletic that the trade was, quote, a joke. They said it's amazing that some trades in the NFL are still this lopsided and that it was astounding that the David Johnson contract was included in the deal. The Texans traded Hopkins and a fourth round pick to the Cardinals for David Johnson, a second round pick, and a 2021-4. fourth round pick. And according to spot, spot track, David Johnson is set to make 10.2 million in base salary with an $11.2 million cap hit in 2020 and a $7.95 million base salary and $9 million

cap hit in 2021. Yeah, I mean, this is what happens when you don't have a GM. And Bill O'Brien is making all of the decisions and not consulting with the person who would normally have that job. I don't understand the structure in Houston. I feel bad for Deshawn Watson, so I'm kind of holding out hope that Bill O'Brien's grand plan is to eventually acquire Deshawn Watson from Houston, even though it's probably just a fantasy. I don't think that Bill O'Brien makes good long-term decisions for that organization.

I'm a little – I'm actually a little bit on the – I'm not on the complete opposite. side because enough NFL people were like, that one kind of blows your mind. What does make sense is, you know, Laramie Tunsell had to get paid, Deshaunceau had to get paid, and they had a lot of money tied up, and he wanted more money. DeAndre Hopkins wanted more money. And he deserves it. And deserves it or has deserved it to this point.

We don't know. His production did fade some, but he's still a freak talent, and I don't know how you can't make that work. I guess the question is, is there a master plan? Like, they are winning games. And when Watson has been healthy, they've been a playoff team. And, you know, like, I get it. You know, he's only getting back a second and not getting back a first.

On the other hand, it's not like you're going to get a first from Arizona, considering where they are, what they would have to do. I just, I think we should let it play out and see what it. looks like first week of the season because there's there's a possibility that the guy does know a little bit about what he's doing. Like could he not afford to get Watson done and to get Laramie Tunsell done and to keep his wide receiver? Because I think he wins the Jedevi on Clowny thing. I mean, I think Clowny still looking for money and still looking for that big contract only tells you how unrealistic Clownie was and why he had to get rid of him. Now, did he get enough

back in return? Probably not. And it's the timing of it. And I agree with you. These guys, you need a professional, just like when you're negotiating a deal in our space, you need an agent. Right. Is it worth the 10%? I don't know. But I would prefer to have one in case something goes wrong. That's why you need a general manager. So at least there's a buffer between you and the player because when something goes wrong, you do knee jerk and you trade a guy and you don't get the appropriate value.

Exactly. So Wes Walker spent six years with the Patriots under Bill Belichick. And he described the environment, the type of the environment that Bill Belichick pretext. created in New England. There are no superstars. Everybody has their wool on that team. Everybody's going to get called out. There's no preferential treatment.

And a lot of times he calls out the star players just to set the tone with the whole team. Okay, he's talking to Tom like that. Obviously, like, he can talk to me like that. And Tom has such a great, you know, way about him of being able to kind of take it, even though it makes him mad and everything like that. And he just keeps on going to work and improve it. and everybody else just got to have to fall in line.

I've always felt like this dynasty in New England was something that we were never going to see ever again in the history of sports. And more and more, I don't know how much longer that kind of extremely restrictive mentality is going to work long term in the NFL and really in all sports. Because I just think,

that the new generation, it's really difficult to find that kind of mentality. Like it's and that's not a knock. It's just that it's different than it was 20 years ago. Social media, you're coming into the league as a star already. You have endorsements lined up already. It's just, it's very, I think it may be too restrictive to be successful moving forward. Maybe, but I would say if you went to back 10 years ago, you would have had the same, we'd heard the same thing, you know, in football,

15 years ago, 20 years ago. I mean, you know, you go back to the 70s and 80s and 90s, and there were guys that became breakthrough stars in their sport. And you have to, look, it is about that special star. Like, if it wasn't Tim Duncan, it doesn't work in San Antonio, right? If it's not Tom Brady, it doesn't work in there. But I do think there's one other part to the Welker thing. People forget when Welker left, When Welker left, two years before he left, New England, he led the league in receptions with 122. Had it 118 his last year. Remember, they lowballed him.

He left. He went to Denver. He had one good year with 73 catches. And then he had a concussion filled end to his career. And it was one good year and then off the cliff. And I love Wes Walker. I think he should be in the Hall of Fame. Hall of Fame.

He led the league in catches three different times. Was the best third down wide receiver for five straight years in the NFL. and that's the most important down in the league. That said, Belichick timed it out perfectly. And so my question for Brady's timing is, does he have one good year with Tampa then off a cliff? Or did he have the one good year two years ago when they won a Super Bowl and he wanted to replace him with Garapolo?

That we'll wait and see. And that's Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie News. Okay, apparently it's National Peanut Butter and Jelly Day. So peanut butter and jelly, greatest sandwich ever, don't argue with me. You can go ham and cheese, whatever.

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limitations apply. While with you, Joy Taylor, I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is The Hurt. Colin should be back tomorrow, planned day off. Joy, you ready for the best for last? I am. Let's do it. Let's do it. It's almost the end of the show, but that doesn't

mean we're phoning it in. Nope, we grind to the very last segment. It's time for best for last. Okay, I'm told it's national peanut butter and jelly day. Okay, now peanut butter and jelly. Oh, peanut butter and jelly. Yeah, peanut butter and jelly, which, how do you, do you like a peanut bear and jelly sandwich?

Yeah, who doesn't like peanut bear and jelly? I don't know. My kids have actually never tried it. What? I've liked it. I don't know. Yeah, it's a weird, weird. We don't have enough time in the segment to go into it, but I think one reason they never try it is because there's a great disparity.

This is a Jordan Pippin combination, right? Because peanut butter, it makes everything better. Your peanut butter is peanut with chocolate good. Peanut butter with celery good. peanut butter with apples is good. You know, peanut butter is amazing. Yeah. Tell me something else jelly is great with.

Butter. Yeah, I mean, like on bread, basically. You got toast and jelly, and that's about it. But, okay, so we all have, so the best for last is our favorite food combo. I have mine. Joy Taylor, what is yours? I would say cereal and milk. What is the go-to cereal?

My favorite cereal is cocoa pebbles, but I have a lot. lot of thoughts on cereal, which we don't have time for. We do not have time for. What kind of milk? Almond milk. I don't drink regular milk. Almond milk, super cold, super chilled, big bowl. What's your ratio?

Like, do you overdo it with the milk or do you overdo it with the cereal or is it even one-to-one ratio? I like very little milk. But I also like soggy cereal. So it's like a very like interesting. Yeah, process. No, everybody's got their process. John Goulet, what is your favorite food combo?

For the record. Joy's best combo sounds kind of terrible. I'm a steak and potatoes guy. Can't top that. Wait, you just went, like steak and potatoes is better than a great cold. Yes, cereal. It all depends on the cereal. My best combo would be beer and me, but I don't think that counts.

That does not count. That does not count. Greg, Tooie, your favorite food combination. Okay, Doug, if you didn't know, I grew up in Texas. So mine, I'm a sucker for chips and a great salsa. I thought you were going to go biscuits and gravy. I can eat chips and salsa all day. I mean, joy, it's crazy.

Like, every day. Like, I just travel for a good salsa. Okay, so what, is there a specific kind of chips you like better with salsa? No. I mean, I'm fine with the normal restaurant-style toasty-eat-chip-esque. Okay. And then your salsa, do you do mild? Do you do medium or spicy?

Medium or spicy? I don't like it chunky. Like, I like it smooth. Too much chunky reminds me. It's just a, it's like, Picotagia. and I'd rather have like smooth salsa. I'm going to go peanut butter and chocolate. Peanut butter and chocolate, especially dark chocolate,

which I know some people don't like dark chocolate by itself, but with peanut butter, it's an amazing combination. Obviously, Reese's peanut butter cups are an incredible ratio, but you can do it at home as well. Joy, I need a ruling on this. I said in the meeting, cheese and burger. Now, my thinking that they're a combo is you can have a grilled cheese sandwich, and you can have a plain burger.

You combine the two and you've got magic. Is that a combo? Absolutely. Huh? Absolutely. A frisco melt from steak and shake, which is basically a burger on a grilled cheese. Unbelievable.

I like that. Frisco melt. That's on that bread. Texas toast also is incredible. You put a little butter on your bread and you're toasting it at home. We're going to make you fat over the next month that you're all locked in your home. We'll update you tomorrow whether or not, Joy actually goes and sees real daylight.

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