The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Cowboys Should Hire Nick Saban, Ranking Upcoming QB Draft Class and Tom Brady Speculation

Episode Date: December 12, 2019

Colin thinks the Cowboys should go after Nick Saban to be their next head coach and Nick Saban would be crazy not to listen. He thinks loyalty as a sports fan is dumb and explains why. Former #1 pick and NFL Network Analyst David Carr comes in studio to talk about the best QB coming out of college this season and why Lamar is great but might not be sustainable. Plus, Colin uses the process of elimination to determine where Tom Brady will play next season and it would make people very mad. Guests include Doug Gottlieb, Greg Cosell, Rob Parker, and David Carr. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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one hour from now, you play fantasy football, if you gamble on football, or you just love Love football. Greg Kosel, NFL meat sandwich, joins us in one hour like he does every Thursday tonight. Ravens Jets. Joy Taylor is joining me. Joy, how are you? I'm great. Historic night tonight, we think, at least. Yeah, Lamar Jackson picks up the record. They'll get a big lead on the Jets, maybe sit him down. I don't think it's the worst idea. You got your division wrapped up. I think Baltimore may sit Lamar down week 17, right? I mean, if they have the division locked up, they should give them some rest. Yeah, I think they may have the game locked up, minutes and I get into that later. Let me start. I read an article this morning. We're getting a lot of

these articles now about who should replace Jason Garrett as the head coach since the owner's talking about it. I'll speculate on it. And I get all these names and I get all these college guys. And I think these college guys are very, very interesting. And I really, really do. But why, why are we not mentioning like the best college coach of all time and he's still coaching and he still dominates mostly the toughest division in college football, Nick Sabin? Now, I know what you're saying, Colin, Nick is older. Not everybody ages the same. HBO's had this special on the art of coaching, Belichick and Sabin. And if you've watched any of this, it's crack for football fans. But the first thing you take away is Saban feels much younger than Belichick. His energy,

his enthusiasm, just the way when you look at him, he looks very young. There's a moment in the art of coaching on HBO when Sabin's joking with some of his college players because he runs out to practice. I'm the only one to ran down here. I'm the only one to ran down here. I get Medicaid in October. I get Medicaid. How old are you? 22? I look 22 and you look

65. I mean, just based on body hang. So it's very funny. And when you watch this special on HBO, Sabin's got incredible energy. These are just numbers. I mean, Brady's 42. LeBron's in his 17th year. We see it happen with athletes who have to work out.

A 67-year-old coach, a 68 year old coach. Everybody's younger today if you take care of yourself. There's five reasons that are obvious why Jerry should call him and Nick should listen. Number one, Lane Kiffin's now in the SEC. As good a recruiter as anybody in the

country. So is Ed Orgeron. Maybe the second best recruiter in the country. So is Kirby Smart. Maybe the third best recruiter in the country. It's getting real competitive in the SEC. Bama doesn't have the players they used to on defense. You got the best recruiters in the country going up

against Nick Saban. And college football increasingly is a young man's game, the transfer portal, all this stuff. That's number one. Number two is, what does the NFL not have? A transfer portal, year-round recruiting. Again, college football is wearing out coaches like it's never done. NFL now, you control your inventory more so than college. It used to be the college coach. He controlled the kids. Those days are over. Your backup quarterback can transfer tomorrow. There's nothing you can do about it. Your left tackle, your best linebacker. In the NFL, I got guys under contract. Number three, Dallas is not a rebuild. This is not an exhaustive rebuild, like when Jimmy Johnson and Jerry started the Cowboys and worked 20 hours a day. Dallas has the personnel. Dallas has the ownership.

Dallas has the infrastructure. This roster is not the lions or the dolphins. It's not a rebuild. Number four, when you look at any company, can you ask you, add something to their weakness. Nick Saban's one of the smartest defensive coaches ever, and Dallas is not well-coached on defense. He will have an immediate impact on the defensive side of the football. He's not taken over for Tomlin and Pittsburgh or Belichick in New England, where the defense is already really well-coached.

The defense, there's players there that don't have the coaching. And number five is it's a perfect entry point. Dallas could be with all these players under 500. I mean, you never want to replace Howard Stern. You know, you want to replace somebody where you look at the numbers and go, oh, I can double those numbers. All these things add up. It's not a rebuild. College football is now a young man's game.

The best recruiters are all moving in the Lane's neighborhood in the SEC. He would upgrade the defense immediately. Remember, Jerry has already gone to the college ranks, but he's not only gone to the college ranks. Jerry hired a retired college coach, Barry Switzer. He'd been out of the sport for years. Nick Sabin's 68. But when you watch LeBron in his 17th year and Brady and Breeze, we're asking those guys to be elite athletes against 23-year-olds,

and they're dominating. You can't ask a 68-year-old, intellectually nimble, high-energy guy to coach against 58-year-olds? College football is becoming a young man's game. The NFL is an old coach's game. Mike Tomlin's got some gray hair. Belichick, Sean Peyton, John Harbaugh. You start like Andy Reeves.

these got Pete Carroll. Pete Carroll's older than Nick Saban. I mean, come on. The NFL is now an old guy's game with the wisdom and the experience. As long as you're willing to evolve, you just out. I mean, do you really trust Matt LaFleur, the Green Bay Packers going up against Pete Carroll? Do you really trust him? I don't.

I don't trust him against Mike Zimmer of the Vikings. If you list the top 10 coaches in the NFL, eight or old guys, you list the top 10 coaches in college football. Boy, it's a lot of Matt Rules. It's a lot of Lincoln Riley's. It's a lot of Dan Mullins. It's a lot of Kirby's smarts. It's Davos Swing. Not that old.

I think Cowboys have to call him. I think Nick needs to listen. I mean, Nick could go and do TV and make a bunch of money, but Nick likes stature. What's the number one stature job in American sports? Nick likes stature. He doesn't need the money. Nick likes money. He's got his Mercedes dealership.

Nick likes money, but what he really likes, he likes it all. He likes doing this thing with Belich. and the NFL is the only hole in Nick Saban's resume. That is it. I mean, other than that, he's the coach. He's the best college coach ever. Never forget, if one doctor cleared Drew Brees for the Miami Dolphins, Nick Saban doesn't go to Bama, he stays in the NFL and wins there.

Let me shift to this. A very nice moment last night in Canada from Canadians. Not shocking. These are nice, reasonably minded people. Kauai Leonard came there for a year, won a title left, could have chosen the Raptors. Instead, he wanted to choose his home state, California. He comes back last night. Clippers dominate the Raptors, but it was before the game.

That was really special. Here it is very nice, and that's what Toronto should have done. He was traded there. It wasn't his first choice. He never promised he'd stay. First two weeks in Canada, he said it's really cold here. So you should have cheered him. He delivered.

but you know what Kawhi Leonard was? It's a reminder that sports is not a 401k. You can dip into it all the time. You can dip into your future. Kauai Leonard was the best rental ever. And there are some things in life, like jet skis, bowling shoes, you're better off renting. Ryan Tannahill, why get married, date, franchise tag, let him go. You know what Ryan Tannahill is?

Nick Foles, you rented him, you won a Super Bowl. Niners once did this with Dion Sanders. Come play for a year. Thanks for guarding Michael Irvin or whoevs. We won a Super Bowl trophy. Not everything has to be a 401k. People say, Lamar Jackson may not last. What if it's four years and you win a Super Bowl?

I'm good. I'll draft the next Lamar. Not everything. I ski a lot. That's my hobby. I've never owned skis. Why? You go to a ski resort and they have the best rentals.

And have you ever, you want to see the most miserable people in America. at an airport. It's a family with ski equipment. Those are the most miserable looking people in America. I just go to the ski resort. What are your best rentals? Even if I crash, I don't have to pay for them. I buy insurance. Not everything has to be owned. There's a lot of things to rent. I bought a boat one time. Hour later, I'm like, that's the dumbest thing I've ever done in my life. Why can I rent a boat three times a year? So that's what I do. I crash it. I have insurance. Somebody else pays. What's the point? He was a rental.

Toronto's not a place that gets free agents. Let's be honest, even if you got the best draft pick, unless his name is Kobe or LeBron, there's no guarantee you're going to win championships. A lot of these places in sports, they're building for the future, and it's always long term, and we can't dip into the... If you're Toronto, Canada, rent players.

Not getting them forever. Most of the guys don't want to go up there. It's Canada, the taxes, it's cold. I mean, even Steve Nash turned down Toronto in Canada. So good for them. I like the way they acted. I think Kauai is the best rental ever. I mean, you can buy your own scuba gear and, you know,

walk around the globe with that oxygen tank on the back of that plane on a delta. Why don't you just rent gear? Just go to Aruba. Just rent your scuba gear. No reason to buy it. They got good stuff. Their oxygen tanks work, too. Oxygen tanks all over the globe.

Happy the way Toronto treated him. And I'm happy that Toronto rolled the dice because they're not a franchise that's going to land free agents. Right them. They did. It worked. All right. Coming up next, this is almost sacrilegious. What I'm going to say next is not going to be accepted by 99% of sports fans.

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So when I grew up as a kid, the Redskins were really, they felt as popular as the Cowboys. They probably weren't, but they had George Allen, the Nation's Capitol, the President, Richard Nixon liked them. So I grew up, you know, the Redskins were huge. They were huge. It was like the Steelers, the Raiders, the Redskins, the Cowboys. They were the biggest brands in the league. The Packers, when I was a kid, stunk. You know, Bart Star was long gone. The Packers were not a big brand. The Saints were terrible.

The Vikings couldn't win the big games. So the article in the Washington Post says that many Redskinned fans, tired of how the franchises run, are becoming Raven fans, especially young fans. Now, millennials, according to research, and this is how millennials think, tend to like the athlete more than the team. They like LeBron more than the Lakers. That's different than how I grew up, but I get it. I find myself rooting for the Jets because I like Sam Narnold.

I'm watching the Ravens now because I like Lamar Jackson. So I got a little millennial in me. There are times I'm like, you know, like golf. I don't care about the Masters. I care about is Tiger playing well at the Masters? Is Mickelson playing well at the Masters? So in golf and tennis, I like watching Nadal and Roger Federer or Serena. So a lot of times I like the athlete more than I like the team.

But the article is interesting because what I'm going to say 99% of you will probably disagree, I bail on any product that doesn't treat me well. Restaurant, airline. I'm Delta now. I didn't used to be. I bailed on another airline. I bail on employers who don't treat me well. I bail on restaurants, airlines, anything that doesn't treat me well.

I'm loyal to the product and the result. I'm not loyal to laundry. I'm not loyal to a blazer. You know, if you worked at CBS Sports and you wore that blazer, Are you loyal to the Blazer? Are you loyal to your wife and your kids and your family and how you're treated? You have very little power as fans. Your power is actually distilled down to one thing with holding your money.

Billionaires like money. Don't go. Switch sides. Buy a Raven sweatshirt. I'm not telling you to do that. I'm saying I've never understood people who are loyal to anything other than a product and a result. If you had a diner in the neighborhood, they had health violations, they sold it to a new guy, the staff, which was endearing and warm and excellent left and went across the street to another diner,

where are you going to eat tomorrow? Well, it represents my city. I'm a true fan. What does that get you? Does it pay for your kids' education? Does it benefit your long-term financial or physical well-being? You do realize, as a true fan, if I walked into your city and paid double what you did for a ticket, the owner would give me a free sweatshirt and a better seat.

You're a number. And the numbers, a hundie. You're a dollar sign. So the more you spend for tickets, the better that owner treats you. True fan doesn't mean anything. Except for the fact that if enough of you true fans leave, then Dan Snyder wouldn't have Bruce Allen as a GM

and wouldn't draft a quarterback because his son went to school with him. I don't understand fans. I got nothing against Dan Snyder. But he has not been good. He drafted a quarterback because his son went to high school with him, who doesn't appear to be ready for the NFL. They have a GM who he's friends with, but nobody considers elite.

They've made decisions that don't help the fan. It's deteriorating. Maybe they turn it around. Maybe Dwayne Haskins, you know, becomes much better than I think he's capable of. But in the end, if you got Lamar Jackson across the street and the Ravens got the better owner and the G. and the coach and the front office

and they're more exciting and it's Lamar Jackson and they win a bunch and their division's fascinating. Why wouldn't you go to the diner across the street? I've never ever understood it. Joy with the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. I wonder how yesterday I said I don't like being the fan

police? Yeah. That's part of the reason why. You pay your hard earned money to support a team. If you don't like what's happening rude for somebody else. I know this goes flies in the face of the idea of sports loyalty, but I just think in professional sports loyalty is a... I'm loyal to the product and the result.

Yeah. You wouldn't sit through an awful movie just because you really like the actor. If you went and saw that... I love this actor, so I'm going to go see this movie. Five minutes and ten minutes, and it's an awful experience to get up and leave. What does that make you?

A bad movie fan? By the way, I'm a Martin Scorsese fan. I hated Shutter Island. But if he had done four straight Shutter Islands, I wouldn't have watched the Irishman. But the reason I watched it, because I'm willing to have a bad season. I get that. Martin Scorsese, Shuttle Island doesn't work.

But then the next movie, I liked. So I'll move off directors. I stopped going to people's movies. If you're a director and I get like four bad ones, I'm out. I'm not going to watch your movies. I agree. So Patrick Mahomes injured his hand earlier in the win, earlier the week in the win versus Patriots last week.

He did not break any bones, but he had a significant bruising on his throwing hand. which is limited his ability to throw in practice. But he was back to being a full participant yesterday and says his hand is healing nicely. It's doing better. I mean, a lot of the swellings went out in these last two days. And so I was able to throw the football around today and I'm excited to go out and practice

and be able to spend it around there. But definitely it was a little scary after the game when it was a little bit bruised and the swelling and stuff like that. But as we've kind of done more and more treatment, the swellings went away. So I was able to throw the football and everything. We all forget what a nice kid he is.

no good he is. I just want to mention that because it's like he's been on the back burner this here. Everybody looking at him, he's pretty good. He just went to Foxborough and broke a three-year streak. Yeah, that was a big win. As Nick Wright would say, that would go on his big win list. Yeah. No, Patrick Mahomes has kind of been outshined by Lamar Jackson. Freightfully so. Lamar Jackson is having an incredible MVP season. Patrick Mahomes had that last year. But I do think that there struggles earlier in the year and a little bit of the injury. That's all played a role in the Chiefs, you know, being in the spotlight this season. However, this is not a game they can really take off. They're playing the Broncos of won three of their last five games.

Very, very well coach. Vic Fangio's, we talked about old guys a second ago. When Vic Fangio got the job, we all rolled our eyes because we all wanted the hot young coaches. Denver's a tough out. They're two and I with Drew Locke starting. Who's feeling himself now. It was a big win over Houston last week. And remember, Patrick Mahomes got hurt in the first meeting with the Broncos. That's when he dislocated his knee. So this is not going to be an easy game for the Chiefs by any means. It is at home, so they do have the home field advantage. But not a game that you would, I mean, we forget that the Broncos were playing well with the last couple games. Remember this. This happens in the NFL lot. Kansas City is a young team, young quarterback.

They just had a historic win. Do they pull back a little? I said this about the bills after they beat Dallas. I said, take the Ravens over the bills. young teams huge win. They just come down to urge. That they had to get emotionally up for. Yeah, they pull back a little bit. I think Kansas City had a huge win. I think Denver's going to push them back and keep it relatively close.

Yeah, I think the Chiefs win, but this is not going to be an easy game for them. So the Packers are in control of the NFC North right now, but the offense has been up and down all season. And Aaron Rogers believes that consistency when they have the ball is the key to making a deep playoff run. The only difference between where we're at now at 10 of 3 and being. a dangerous force that can make a run deep into the playoffs into the Super Bowl is that consistency. And if anything, that will be the deciding factor on our fate here these next, you know, seven or eight weeks is can we find that consistency in both the run in the past game?

Because it's down to consistency. And I think we have the guys for sure and the guys in the specific roles. But it's the 11 being consistent that's going to take us from where we're at now to where we all want to go. Chicago this weekend is going to be an interesting out. I think that is a very interesting game. Chicago now, though limited offensively, has kind of figured out how to use Tribisky about as well as you can use it. They're definitely playing better.

It's similar to the Broncos that we were just talking about. They're sort of picking it up a little bit. Joy, what's the right? Hey, Goulet, you're not reading hockey scores over there. What are the Packers? What is the Bears record right now? Can the Bears, what is their record? So the NFC playoff picture is this.

The 49ers, Seahawks, and Packers can clinch to playoff first this weekend. Packers have a one-game lead on the Vikings and hold a tiebreaker. They play at Minnesota in Week 16, which you think that they will lose. The Bears can be eliminated Sunday with a loss of the Packers and a win by the Rams of the Vikings. Okay. So there's a lot that's going into the Bears. So essentially, though, this is the Bears season. Yeah.

This is their season. They have to win this game. I mean, they're relying on the Rams and the Vikings also win. are also winning, but they have to win this game. So it's interesting. What time is the Bears game this weekend? Because if Vikings won in the afternoon, the Bears would know they're out of the playoffs. But if the Vikings lose, okay, so the Bears game is early. That means the Bears are going to give you a great effort because they still think they're

a playoff team potentially. Watch out for that game. That's all I'm saying. No emotional swing games this weekend. Finally, there's another one. Kyler Murray and Baker-Mayfield meet for the first time as opponents this weekend when the Cardinals host the Browns. Two quarterbacks were teammates at Oklahoma and have remained friends, but Kyler is not trying to follow Baker's lead.

I kind of already, I wouldn't never do this. So it's something he's done. But that's my boy. So it's he knows that and, you know, I just let him do those things. We just laugh at him. So I mean, everybody has their own way of doing things. You know, he's a great teammate, great leader. You know, everybody around the, you know, the building felt that.

So when it was my opportunity, we just, you know, I lead how I lead, he leads how he leads. Best bad game of the weekend easily. For sure. And there's another layer to this, too, with Cliff Kingsbury and Baker Mayfield. Oh, that's right. They used to not like each other. Now, they said that they've buried the hatchet. They've made, they're cool now.

All right. Which is, it's believable. Sometimes, you know, you run into people at certain parts in your career. Things don't go well. They're learning, you know, he's learning. He said there was a communication issue with Cliff Kingsbury. by their relationship fell apart. So Cliff and Baker get along.

I don't know. Let's say they get along. They're cool. They're cordial. Yes. I don't know how personally it is. But there's a lot of layers to this game as well. I like it.

You know how I am with Arizona. I bet them 19 times this year. I bet them more times than you could. I'm not doing that anymore. I'm done with that. I've lost me and Whitlock so much money on Arizona. It's unbelievable. Between the Atlanta Falcons last year and Arizona this year.

You would not quit the Falcons last year. I haven't quit Arizona this year. I bet him every weekend, except this weekend. Yeah. Maybe it is. I like red birds. The Falcons, maybe that's it. Who knows?

Way to go there, Goulet. Got off the hockey scores. Guy's productive now. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. The Doug or Doug's a Gottlieb show right after our show, Fox Sports Radio.

Let's bring him on. He's also got all ball with Doug Gottlieb to podcast, which is crushing. By the way, podcast really quick. You can download in the Heard Podcast Network? Yeah. I had about an hour and 15-minute talk with Tony Allen, the grind father himself. Yes. And we got into guarding Kobe versus guarding LeBron.

Yeah. No spoilers, but it's really, really good. But he also talks about his upbringing in Chicago and how he didn't play really organized basketball until his junior year in high school. Pretty fascinating to listen. So download that in iTunes or wherever you download Herd Podcast Network. We'll get back to basketball in a second. I want to start with, I want to ask you about this story of The Washington Post where, listen, they're saying that people, people, young people in D.C. are like, I like watching Lamar. They win. They make me happy.

I'm not going to waste my Sunday afternoon. And a Raven game just got higher ratings than a Redskin game. Now, you're not a millennial, but you're not as old as me, so you're somewhat of a tweener. Gen X, I believe. You're a Gen Xer. So how does that land for you that story? Well, I mean, like, look, my son on his Christmas wish list, the number one thing, I won a Lamar Jackson jersey. Like, he's the dude right now. Right. Okay, that's undeniable. Let's also be honest about the Redskins. the quarterback thing is a disaster, but it's a disaster. Some out of their own hands. Alex Smith broke his leg in a way in which he's likely to never play football again.

I know. It's awful. I mean, we're talking about more than a dozen surgeries. Yeah. So if that doesn't, and then Colt McCoy comes in and breaks his leg. Right. Right. Yes, the Dan Steider's son, you know, going to school with Dwayne Haskins, being a local kid,

drafting him. But it's not like Duane Haskins wasn't a prospect. Right. I mean, John Elway drafted Brock Osweiler because he was roommates with his son at Arizona State.

But Washington has been bad for 15 years. Yes. And the Ravens have been good for 15 years. It's like people just woke up and go, hey, the Ravens are better run to the Redskins. No, it's, Lamar Jackson's awesome and fun to watch. I would, and I understand you never

bailing on Oklahoma State. A college is different. You live there, diploma. You literally were a resident on the grounds. But pro sports, I've never understood the season ticket thing, right? I've never understood that. Like, wait, wait, I have to pay money so that now I have to go to every game and I'm paying for preseason games. I've never understood that.

And I've never really understood the fandom thing outside of my school. And that one's hard. I will tell you that I have really strong relationships and an affinity to the Chargers and watching them lose games this year. It's hard. Hurts my soul. Yeah, I get it. I want to be a Patriot fan. I want to figure, but I cannot bail to that level.

Well, it's the same thing. I love Andy Reid. Chief loss is hurt. I like Chris Ballard for the Colts. I do. Yeah, that's how I am with basketball is I root for people more than teams. That's what I do. Let's shift to this.

When you came out, you're willing to say things that make people mad, but you said when Andrew Luck retired, you're like, you don't do it then. People threw grenades at you. But over the course of time, more people were like, yeah, it wasn't ideal, actually. And you're much cooler on Lamar, which I think is fun because I like the conflict in the story and everybody's pro Lamar. You like him. I don't like him. I love it.

But we're mistelling the story completely. Like the whole thing, we're like, oh, he was waiting in the draft room forever. Like, he was a first round pick. Right. Okay. It was the first round pick. Tom Brady's a sixth round pick. Russell's a...

Joe Montana third. Well, I mean, Russell Wilson was a third round pick. Dak Prescott was a fourth round pick. Yeah. Let's tell the story properly because tonight you're going to see. Sam Donald, who should have gone number one overall. Right. Who end up going to the Jets. Right. Mistake by the Giants. Mistake by the Browns.

Should have gone number one overall. I would still, to this day, take Sam Donald over Lamar Jackson, and Lamar Jackson's likely to be the MVP. Because it's the long-term play, right? I'm not buying short-term, long-term. Lamar Jackson was represented by his mother. They couldn't get a hold of him, get a hold of her in terms of workouts. Yeah. He's a really, really nice kid. Yes. But he's not up all these other quarterbacks do the quarterback. where they take over a room. He didn't.

He doesn't. He doesn't. Quiet, kid. Way behind in terms of the whiteboard. It was inaccurate in college and was seen as a niche quarterback that you're going to have to either transform your team into that system or slowly allow him to evolve. He went to a team, which is a perennial playoff team, and he took over mid-year, and they made the playoffs.

Let's also remember all these Baltimore fans like, you all missed it. You booed him at home in the playoffs last year. They booed him. That did happen. Yeah. Okay. So now, let's fast forward to year two. They decided we're going all in on this plan, and it's working. It's taking the league by storm.

Whereas Sam Donald inherited the Jets with a different general manager, different head coach. Still the worst O-Line in football. Worst of line football. The only reason you know Robbie Anderson is because some of the things he said to a cop when he got arrested, right? Outside of that, the Levi-on-Bell signing's a disaster. I mean, a lot of this is franchise-oriented. Sure, no, there's no quite. Drew Bledso said that yesterday, where you lands a lot.

But if you want to tell me that Lamar Jackson is a good long-term play, then you're going to tell me that Cam Newton was a good long-term play. Cam Newton had one great year, a couple other good years, and a lot of disappointing years, and now he's on the brink of being shipped or maybe being out of the league because it's really hard to pay Cam Newton. He's Cam Newton without all the attitude, without all the arrogance, right? That's what he is. Well, you can also say this, and this wouldn't be as anti-

Lamar Jackson, I think if people said Patrick Mahomes is the future of the league, not Lamar. Yes, that's what I've said. Yeah, I think that's a, because I think. Because you have to, you have to be mobile, but you have to be able to throw and complete passes. He can do it on multiple platforms, but he never

throws outside the numbers. Look, here's the truth to that style, okay, that they're fully committed to. They're really smart. They got RJ3 as a perfect backup because he's lived it, and they tried to make RG3 in D.C. into a pro-style quarterback, and he couldn't do it. Right, right. As well as his body kind of breaking down.

But again, that's part and parcel why you don't do it. You're never going to get an elite level wide receiver who's not on a rookie deal. Why? They just don't get enough footballs. They just don't. And footballs equal money, right? So you're going to do it with the tight ends. The NFL is going to adjust.

The entire offseason, teams prepared for a West Coast style offense, for a spread style offense. They don't prepare for that. So personnel-wise, the reason the bills were able to keep them in check is they have fast linebackers. They'll slowly come around to, we've got to, find a way to stop Lamar Jackson if we want to get to a Super Bowl. In the meantime, he too can evolve as he has this year and gotten more accurate and gotten more comfortable. And remember, Lamar, this is the real brilliance to Baltimore, not only fully committed,

but they're fully committed to a style that basically he's played his whole life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Option football and running and reading, you know, this is what he's done his whole life. So you're not asking him. And he's great at it. He's unbelievable at it. Yeah.

But unless they change the rules to where they can't hit you outside of the pocket, they're going to catch you. They're going to hit you. They're going to hurt you. You can't tell me that Cam Newton, who's the biggest, strongest athletic quarterback we've ever seen, his body breaks down at 30,

and we can expect Lamar Jackson to be different. Yeah, well, Big Ben's in Cam are both monsters. I remember when Cam was drafted, and I remember he stood next to in a photo of defensive end, and Cam was bigger than defensive end, and I was like, I remember Jamarcus Russell actually stood next to Corey Gaines of Clemson

on a photo I saw, And I'm like, Jamarcus is way bigger than defensive end. Either Jamarcus is going to be the greatest player ever or Corey Gaines is not going to be a superstar. So I think all these things are realistic. I don't think that is a popular opinion. But I do think in my mind the way the NFL works, if you told me 10 years from now, Patrick Mahomes and Lamar, I would check the Patrick Mahomes box. That feels more like mobility, but a style that is dark.

You have to be able to, what can you do when you get behind the chains? I mean, the big thing with the Ravens is, boy, they start fast. You know, they start fast, they get ahead of you, they start playing downhill, and they shorten the game because they're running the football. They have the best kicker in football. They've got a great defense. They made an adjustment to that defense, trading for Marcus Peters midseason.

They've done all these right things. But when they get to third and long, that's just not what he does. That's not who he is. And I don't know if that's who will ever be in the ability to take a team 80 yards when they're down to score late in the game, when you have to throw accurately outside the night. numbers. He doesn't do that. And I think Donald will do it better. I obviously

think Mahomes, we've seen Russell Wilson. These are guys that last. Now, Russell Wilson started as more of a runner, but he's always been a thrower in and out of the pocket. He also throws the best deep ball maybe in the league. Russell throws an incredibly accurate. By the way, Darnold will not look like the better quarterback tonight. No. The Jets offense is terrible. It's going to be a bloodbletting. 33 to 6. It'll be just

now. But again, I think all your opinions are interesting and thought-provoking. And coming up next, I got two things I want to talk to you about. One of them being Kauai Leonard returning and what's happening in L.A. with basketball. The other, in regards to OBJ and Cleveland, what do you do if you're the GM, you're going to admit you whiff on the coach? Can you admit you whiff on OBJ? That's a lot for a GM to acknowledge that's coming up with Doug Gottlieb. You've heard of Casper.

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He's making fun of me on this. thing, but I'm just saying, you watch Sabin and Belichick on HBO, and there's a reason they had to do it in Sabin's office, because Sabin can't take a day off, because college football is no longer the job. It used to be. Transfer Portal. Now you can't. There's no time off for recruiting. Belichick's like, yeah, fly down in Alabama. I get like months off at a time. Sabin is a young 68. Now he's got Kiffin-Orgeron-Curby-smart poaching him, the three best recruiters in the country. This is a defense that he'd elevate a media. it's not a rebuild job, it's not the lions where it's 23-hour days.

You'd think there's no shot. He wouldn't listen to the Dallas Cowboys. Not a shot. No. Not even a little. No. And do you think they'd call him? Yeah, I mean, they'd call him, sure. But you think he wants his owner having a press conference in his locker

room after a loss? Like, come on. The reason, he's talking with Parcells, right? The reason Parcell's left, Parcell's famous quote is, I want to pick the groceries. Like, you don't. get to do that in Dallas. So it's a great, it sounds great on radio. It sounds great on TV, Texas, no state income tax, most prestigious job. There's a reason that Jimmy Johnson walked away

from a championship team. There's a reason that Bill Parcells walked away, right? Those are the two greatest coaches they have had since he took over ownership and both are like, pass. It's over. There's a reason that Troy Aikman's like, I would love to run a team, just not my team. It's because of Jerry. Everybody knows that's the deal. And so Nick's, Sabin's not going to go from being the dictator. He's bigger than the governor of Alabama to taking orders from Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones. Not happening. Like, that's one of those like, in the boardroom, you're like, ah, it's a good idea.

No shot of happening. Okay. Sorry. OBJ, I never bought it. I thought he and Baker would be productive. By the way, University of Texas job could be open another year. It's no state income tax. They floated before.

That's more of a possible. All right. OBJ. I never thought it would work, although I did think Baker and OBJ while he was there would be productive. I didn't think it worked for his personality, his brand, who he is. You think he has a chance. Now, the GM would have to trade him, and that would be acknowledging I whiffed on the trade. Dave Gettelman did the same thing, right?

I mean, Dave Gettelman did the ex-dayvinded him took over with the Giants, signed him to a big contract. A year later said, but no thanks, right? and it's not working. Jarvis Landry is the better player. Jarvis Landry haven't heard, no hide nor hair from him. He's not complaining. I think they feel like OBJ is even turning Baker Mayfield

against the organization where Baker Mayfield throws the training staff under the bus. Yeah, this is one of those marriages that is on its way to a divorce. They just haven't told the kids yet. That's what this feels like. Let's talk about Kauai Leonard comes back. I was saying, listen, I ski a lot. I like to ski.

Never own skis. The most miserable people in the world are families with ski-geared airports. Just rent it. The resorts buy new ones every year. If you crash and break the ski, you buy insurance, don't have to pay for it. If they're your own, you would have to. I don't rent. I bought a boat for an hour.

Worst decision of my life. I rent jet skis. I rent boats. I lease all my fun. I mean, outside of golf clubs, if you were a PGA golfer, I lease everything. My argument is, Kauai Leonard was the greatest rental of all time. And more teams should not worry about a 15-year plan. Go win now.

Well, just again, you're not wrong. Okay, you are right. This was a summer romance. This is the perfect rental. Right. And by the way, let's give it up to the newer generation, the newer generation, whether it's millennials or what is it, Gen Y, now? What is it?

I don't even know what you call like the next gen. But they're renting now instead of buying. Yeah, they don't even want to own cars. They want Uber everywhere. Right. I mean, like, look, at least I've never done the 30-year fixed mortgage. Like, that's the dumbest thing ever, right? Like, who's in a house for 30 years anymore?

But yes, renting is smart. But again, it depends on where you are. And it takes the perfect guy in the perfect city and the perfect scenario. But let's also credit fans of Toronto who got it. Last night he wasn't booed. Last night he was cheered. They got it. Like, you were just here to win a championship and move on.

You didn't say you wanted to be here long term. And you weren't here long term. And we told you you wouldn't have to play every game and he played 60 games. So it all worked. It's the perfect rental scenario. Sometimes, you know, you've talked about second homes. I know you have a second home. and a third.

I have one small grotto in Utah. It is maybe the nicest place I've ever been in my life. Anyway, I've invited both Joy and you. Real video games. Joy, you know those ones that your parents would never give you the four quarters to afford in arcade video games? Where you like sit on them and ride them? There's two of them in the basement of the house.

I invited you to come. Yes, you do. I invited you. Yes. And so I've always opened for my friends. No, no question about it. Although you did hit me with the cleaning fee when I say. The story is like, yes, sometimes renting on vacation is, renting a place is smarter than buying a vacation home.

Because then you're like, I can't simply go to, I mean, you do, go to Utah every time I want to have a vacation. I'm a creature of habit. I like Utah. All right, let's go to this. We've got two minutes left. You shocked how good the Lakers are? A little bit, a little bit. But I'll also point out that I would credit the staff and I would credit Frank Vogel for doing,

Frank Vogel for doing a 180 and listen to his staff. LeBron has been amazing. Amazing. Look, his defense isn't as good as it used to be. And there are times in which he overpasses and gets a little silly and a little loose, clearly trying to lead the league and assists. He's trying to. Some of it is he's helped foster kind of the growth of Anthony Davis.

He wants to make him into an alpha score for the playoffs. But the biggest thing that's changed this season is Alex Caruso, a balding white guy who's freakishly athletic who has completely changed this franchise and their trajectory. Because it allows LeBron James to not guard guards. He gives them another shot creator. He has no ego.

The team loves him. He makes almost no money. He's grown from within. Like Alex Caruso has changed this team into the best team in the NBA. He's a dynamic on-ball defender who has learned to hit an open shot. And by the way, hits the deck like tough.

Yes. He's like a tough guy. We'll dunk on dudes, right? And it brings the, he's brought the whole team together. And if you watch, he didn't play first game of the season, didn't take off the sweats, was supposedly hurt, but could have gone that night. Did not take off the sweats. They get beat by the clippers.

And the staff was like, hey, Caruso. And there was fear that when Rondo came back, his minutes would dissipate. They have not. This is a great defensive team. LeBron plays quarterback, tells everybody else what to do. And in the fourth quarter, he can take over scoring-wise. They're the best team in the NBA. And Alex Caruso is a big reason why.

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I'm a little step-full of your saving plan. Yeah, it probably doesn't have a lot of bite, too, but I think it's interesting. So before we get to Greg Co-Sell, Mel Kuyper, it was talking about Tua, who I think is the best quarterback in the draft coming up. He said the chances are slim to know. of him falling out of the 2020 NFL drafts first round.

First of all, he's not dropping out of the first round. He's not dropping out of the top 10. Okay, two is going in the first 10. As long as his post-combine medical stuff clears, he's going to go top 10. Of the top 10 current draft teams in the NFL, we'll do a today, here's who would draft in the top 10. Six of the top 10 may take a quarterback.

Cincinnati, Washington, Miami, Detroit, Jacksonville, and the Chargers. six of the 10. And I think in Detroit, it's time. And I think the Chargers, it's time. And Jacksonville, you're paying Nick Foles, but I think I'd still roll the dice on that. I like to it. Like when Baker Mayfield came out,

people said, oh, he's Drew Breeze. I saw very little Drew Breeze. I saw Case Keenham with a tiny bit of Drew Breeze. Tua, to me is Drew Breeze with a little bit of Russell Wilson. Temperament, leadership, maturity, accuracy, size, and athletic. Tuah is not Deshaun Watson athlete. He's not. He's Drew Breeze when Drew Breeze was 26.

Drew was a underrated athlete. I think Tua sometimes a little overstated as an athlete. Tebow was always overstated as an athlete. Andrew Luck was understated as an athlete. So I think this kid's going to go top 10. I think he can go number one. And I'll say this about it. Whereas Joe Burrow y'all love, he had to transfer. And then he went to LSU and didn't do anything his first year.

He completed 50% of his throws. Whereas, you know, everybody loves Justin Herbert. He didn't really play much as a freshman. Tua came out of high school, was the number one player in high school, goes to easily the best defensive conference in college football. Like, it's not close. SEC's here. There is no second place. They don't play defense in the Pack 12.

They don't play it in the Big 12. They don't play it in the ACC. And Ohio State and maybe Michigan sometimes play at Wisconsin a little in the Big Ten. He walked into the SEC as a freshman. you're like, oh, oh, he's making people miss. He's accurate. I think the kid's great. I think we're, this ID is going to fall out of the first round.

I don't get it. As long as his medical clears and he's got some medical stuff people worry about, but if that stuff clears, there's no way. By the way, people say, like Miami, for instance, let's say Miami ends up with a number one or number two pick or something like that. Miami's got three first round picks. Let's say they took two and it didn't work. You do get that Seattle, more than any organization,

more than any good organization in the NFL, Seattle has whiffed on more first-round picks. Hadn't heard them. By the way, the L.A. Rams have given up their first-round picks. The Rams have won 32 of the last 45 NFL games. Like, you don't have to be. The New England Patriots have whiffed on a lot of draft picks. Dolphins have three first-round draft picks.

So, you know, some of the, if Tua wasn't as good medically as you thought, and you're two years in on him, and you're like, it's not as good as we thought, go draft another quarterback. So I think he's worth the risk. I don't even know what the risk is. I think the kid's a phenomenal talent, and I do see some Drew Brees with Tua. I did not see it with Baker Mayfield. I do see it.

I do see some with Tua. A little bit. All right, let's go to Greg CoSell, NFL meat sandwich. Whether you gamble, whether you're a fantasy player or you just love football, Greg CoSell, the most objective guy in our business, 40 years NFL films. So, you know, I'm watching last week. I'm watching Drew Breeze and Jimmy G. And it was a great, great heavyweight NFL game.

And Jimmy G is fascinating because he benefits from George Kittle yards after the catch and Emmanuel Sanders yards after the catch. And so he's got some really nice pieces to work with. And Kyle Shanahan's obviously a terrific offensive mind, Greg. When you just look at Jimmy G and you separate him from the parts and the pieces and the coaching, you still like him, right? You think he's a difference maker? Well, let me ask you this.

What do you think in the NFL accounts for yards after catch? Yards after catch is a function of the quarterback, Colin, much more than the receiver. Because if you hit receivers in stride, particularly when they're moving, that's what accounts for yards after catch. So yards after catch is a quarterback thing much more than a receiver thing. I think Jimmy G. is a rhythm-timing player in a rhythm-timing offense in which the things, throws based on formations, personnel, shifts, concepts, present defined breeds and throws. And so, therefore, I think he can play extremely well in that offense. Yeah.

I did think it was interesting. I thought Drew Brees looked tired last year at the end of the year, but he missed five games with his injury. I thought he looked really strong Sunday, did you? I thought it was his best game in the season. I thought he played great. And again, I thought what Sean Payton did, everything was quick. quick game, whether it was three-step or five-step, the ball was coming out.

They knew they needed to negate that task rush and minimize it, and they did that. And I thought he made, I mean, that throw he made to Thomas, the 49-yarder, which was, I believe, it was in the fourth quarter, I forget which drive was a big, big-time throw by breeze. Yeah, I thought Drew looked energized. Sometimes those old guys take a few snaps off. They look really good at the end. And he was moving around a little, too. Yep, yep, no question.

I always thought Drew was a little underrated as. an athlete. Couldn't agree more. Yeah. I mean, in his prime, I mean, he was, you watch him, and this was a guy that could, he could take off, he could slide. It's like the old Terry Bradshaw. If people remember the old Terry Bradshaw, they remember the arm.

If you remember the young Terry Bradshaw like you do, he could move, right? So let's move into this. Context is very important. Yep. So the Rams, oh, my God, season's over. Worst contract, Jared Goff. Oh, what do you know? Last two weeks, 73% completion percentage.

So when you watch them stylistically, you know, you know, you watch them stylistically, you're I mean, Gurley got more carries, although I still think he lacks the girly burst. But what did they do Rams in the last two weeks that made them look like last year's Rams? Well, the first 11 weeks, their play action pass game was among the worst in the league. The last two weeks, it's been phenomenal. And so that has been really effective. That was their calling card in 2017 and 2018. And it's been really good the last two weeks.

Now, two weeks ago against Arizona, they did it primarily out of 11 personnel, meaning three wide receivers were on the field. This past week against Seattle, they did it primarily out of 12 personnel, meaning two tight ends are on the field. So as I'm looking ahead to their game against Dallas, I don't know what Sean McVeigh has in mind from a personnel standpoint, but their play-action pass game has returned, that outside zone run game,

which is sort of the foundation of the play-action pass game. They've been using that really effectively. I agree with you about Gurley. I don't think Gurley has the same burst. I don't think he runs through contact the way he did, but they've made him a focal point and they're giving him carries. You know, I love Carson Wentz. I thought he was very good at the end of the Giants game.

Again, context. As you pointed out early, they have nothing. They have nothing. Nothing. I still have absolute confidence in Wentz, do you? I do, but I don't think he's played really well. I think that, and again, we don't know what's in his head. These things are very interesting.

I mean, obviously, Wenz is playing with nothing, but he's been a little inaccurate. His ball placement hasn't been as sharp as it needs to be. He's missed some throws that he needs to make. Obviously, there's very little margin for error. I should probably say there's no margin for error with that Eagles offense, but he has missed some throws. At times, I think he rushes himself. So I think, I almost feel like he needs a crash course just in his mechanics at the end. That's more of an off-season thing.

but obviously he can make special plays and special throws. He just needs to become a little more consistent. But again, he's not going to get a lot of help from what's out there. Yeah, it's pretty obvious if you're Philadelphia and a fan. They're going to draft speed on the perimeter. It's not a big secret what they're going to pursue. They just need help. They probably need to draft four wide receivers.

I probably wouldn't hurt. They've had cluster injuries all year, secondary receivers O line. So I want to go, you know, I talked about this earlier today. I'm a big believer in leasing stuff. If I use a boat, I'll lease it. Skis, I rent them. I lease my fun. Everybody's into long-term viability.

I think it's okay to occasionally rent a player, right? Right. Ryan Tannahill's a rental. I'd franchise tag him. I like him now. I've seen him. I'm not going to go crazy on a four-year deal. That's my takeaway in Ryan Tannahill.

But I am hearing, oh, my Lord, he's different. And I think, I've seen a lot. of this. What do you make of what's working so well in Tennessee? Well, I think they have, and it allows Tannahill to be really, really effective. They start with the run game. They're a multiple tight end offense. Now they play a fullback as well. They get the defense in predictable looks, and they work the past game off that. And he's been very accurate. A perfect example of run after catch on short throws. He's put the ball right on receiver's hands. He's got movement ability because he was a receiver.

So it fits perfectly. I think you have to be careful with evaluating him other than what you're seeing now. And again, I like what I'm seeing, but I think you have to be careful about making, as you said, a long-term judgment on what he is. Now, having said that, he's a quarterback, Colin, so you know someone's going to pay him. Whether it's Tennessee or someone else, someone's going to give him a 40-year deal. Yeah, no, they are. So I don't know what could be said that hasn't already been said,

but they did a poll in Boston this week, and I thought it was interesting. 30% of respondents in Boston, the fans blame Belichick. And Joey and I have talked about this, is that they haven't had a pro bowler on offense, drafted in five years, same with defense. Last was Jamie Collins. We know it's an incredibly smart system. But could I make the argument, Greg, that it is so smart and so academic and kind of rigid that it's very difficult for young people.

players to fit into it. They may have come from a very average coach in college, and then you go to Einstein and Belichick, and it's a hard fit. Like, do you, I mean, so it's easy to blame Belichick, but we know he knows football. We know he knows personnel. They just skill players with Brady and Josh McDaniels. They struggle. Edelman took five years.

Is the system too, too much, too layered, too complex? That's been talked about over the years because there's a lot of adjustments made after the snap of the ball based on leverage of defenders, and obviously receivers and the quarterback have to be to use the crochet on the same page. You know, we saw someone like Chad Johnson years ago go in there and not be able to figure that out. But if you look a little, you know, sort of from the clouds a little more macro, here's what you're dealing with. They've really got two receivers that teams worry about on third down, Edelman and White. Teams are doubling Edelman, and they're putting a quality defender on White. The Houston Texans put a corner on White, Bradley Robey.

The Chiefs put Terran Matthew on White. So teams are taking away Edelman and White on third down. The offensive line has not been very good, so Brady's been under a little more duress. And this is lost here in translation. Last season down the stretch, they were a running football team playing with a fullback on 50% of their snaps. They can't run the ball this year. So they have very little. Teams are defenses are taking away the two players that matter on third down, and they're stuck.

And again, now it becomes a personnel issue as well. No one else is winning one-on-one. Teams are playing man coverage, and they're not giving Brady anywhere to go with the football. Yeah. Yeah, we want to blame, blame, blame, but it looks fairly obvious to me is they just, it's a personnel issue. It's not a mystery. It's not a mystery. You know, listen, Duck Hodges is a cute story.

I don't think he's got me. We just like saying duck. Yeah. I will say this. Pittsburgh drafts very well. Adding Minka Fitzpatrick to all these terrific young linebackers and guys up front, Pittsburgh's a fascinating team. We've always thought Tomlin and Pittsburgh can draft.

They play with emotion. But does Tomlin get credit this year finally for some schematic stuff defensively because they're shutting everybody down? Yeah, and they're very good on defense, and they've got good players. And now they're back to being a defensive team first and foremost, and we'll probably see that on Sunday night against Buffalo. And offensively, look, they're not asking Doug Hodges to do very much. You know, he makes a couple of good throws.

He converts some third downs. He's an aggressive guy. He's got some movement ability. But they're certainly not asking him to go out and drop back 35, 40 times. I mean, this week I think he threw 19 balls and maybe had four or five runs. But he's been very good. in those sort of critical situation. Yeah.

The last two weeks, at the end of each half, he's led scoring drives. You know, and those kinds of things matter. But they certainly know what they have and what they don't have, and they're not going to ask him to drop back and have to win football games with tough pros. Yeah, but they'll tell you what, though, Greg, they draft well. They do. Oh, boy, they got all sorts of good young players. That organization, some teams draft and some teams don't.

They draft really well. Okay. Now, Lamar plays tonight, and he's, spectacular. But if you ask me who's going to be in this league 12 years owning it, I'd vote over Lamar. I'd vote Patrick Mahomes. I think we've forgotten a little about him because he was hurt. Right. And because Lamar's spectacular. So, and I, you know, Baker's controversial. And a lot of these young quarterbacks are interesting stories. And Mahomes been banged up. But I watch him this weekend and, you know, he's pretty special talent. Is he back to where he was in the MVP form?

Well, first of all, you're dealing with an absolutely elite thrower of the football. You have to start there. I still think he's playing a little too loose, a little undisciplined, but you have to always keep in mind that he can make great, great throws, whether it's against his zone or man coverage. And those throws can happen at any time. And again, I don't know how he's coached, but one concern a lot of people did have when he came out of college, which now seems like a long time ago, but it's not, was the looseness with which he played. and that shows up at times.

But he's, like I said, he's an elite, elite thrower of the football. There are not many guys that can throw it like Mahomes. And let's get to the – you have a play. He's the play in a week, right? Yeah, yeah. And we can start running it right now. This was a touchdown against the Patriots, and it was an unbelievable throw. And you'll see why it was an unbelievable throw when we break it down.

Because one thing about the Patriots, you have to defeat their man-coverage. They're a man-coverage team. they play press man coverage with a single high safety. This is their M.O. That's how they play defense. If you can't defeat this, you can't beat them. So the matchup to focus on is Hardman versus Jones in the slot. Now, Hardman's going to run a deep sail route or a deep corner route.

And what I absolutely loved about this play is when Mahomes started to turn it loose. Hardman hasn't even started his break yet, and Mahomes actually is started. his delivery. This is absolutely special. This is what you talk about with anticipation. This is just a tremendous, tremendous throw, and the route took Hardman away from the post-safety. So it's those kinds of throws that we're talking about. Not a lot of guys are making that particular throw. Yeah, it's really amazing. He let it go, and he was still in the first part of his route. He hadn't even gotten to his break point yet. And now some of these kinds of throws, the way they're coached are what we call spot throws. So you're throwing. So you're

throwing it more to a spot than waiting to see where the receiver is. And obviously the receiver's steps or yards are timed up so you can do that. But that's still, you're throwing a ball really early. Greg CoSell, NFL films, great talking to your partner. Love having you on. Thanks, Colin. Really appreciate it. David Carr joins us last hour, brother of Derek Carr.

He comes on from the NFL Network. He is spectacular. Rob Parker is going to yell at me. Just got back from Antarctica, which is amazing. He has pictures and everything and coming up next. HBO's got the Sabin Belichick show. A real moment yesterday that I think cowboy fans can really relate to, maybe not just cowboy fans.

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So the Jets have a poor old line. They're going to replace all five starters. and the Ravens are number two in the NFL and quarterback hits. So that means Sam Darnold's no time to throw. The Jets also have a below average receiving core, and the Ravens have a great secondary. Marcus Peters, Earl Thomas added, meaning there'll be no separation.

So Sam Darnold's going to be under duress and there's going to be no receivers open. Jets are not going to move the football. Now, can the Jets defend? They're pretty good against the run. Can they lower the score? That's possible. Jets will not move the ball tonight.

It will not be. Jets have one way to win the night, like 17-16, but Jets will not move the ball tonight. So it's either going to be ugly and low scoring and they lose or a blowout. Jets can't win this game. It's not a possible. It's just one of those games you can't win.

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This is the herd line news. Well, the Jets may lose tonight. We'll probably lose tonight. But it is going to be historic night, likely, because Lamar Jackson only needs 23 yards to break Michael Vick's single season quarterback rushing record. So that's probably going to happen tonight. And while Vic is prepared for it to be broken, he's surprised it happened so fast. He said it's a cool moment in sports breaking that record.

It's something I can honestly say I didn't think I'd see for a long time. When Lamar was coming out of college, we had conversations. I used to tell him, play your game. be you, but I couldn't even foresee Lamar doing this so quickly. It shows if you're with the right teammates, the right coaches, the right organization, what can happen. We are

really all embracing the fun and the style of play and the energy and emotion that Lamar Jackson plays with. But what could happen tonight with him passing Michael Vick's record? Well, it's obviously a big deal. It really speaks to

the effect and the historic nature that Michael Vic was. I mean, we haven't seen anything like Michael Vic. And we've had, you know, flashes here and they're like, oh, is Vic like, you know, Vic like play or Vic like a couple of games, but nothing to this level. Michael Vic was a phenomenon. And that's what we're seeing with Lamar Jackson. But to give Michael Vic credit here, this

offense is built for Lamar. Right. Michael got his rushing yards as icing. It was a West Coast offense. They liked Michael's athletic ability, but Michael played in a passing West Coast offense and then he would run and those weren't design runs. It was just icing on the cake. Lamar's doing it brilliantly

with an offense catered to him running the ball. Yeah, they've totally embraced his style of play. So if you look at Michael Vick's rushing yards, they're insane because those were bonus plays. Right. You're considering the circumstances in which Michael Vick got those yards. It's insane. And that's not taking anything away from

what Lamar Jackson's doing because obviously he's going to pass this night. There's a few more games. So he's going to set the bar like at a whole other level for whoever comes next. But I also do think it's really, it's very endearing and it's nice to see the way that Michael Vic has embraced Lamar Jackson and been just there for his success.

And even talking about how he talked to him about coming into the league and mentoring him. And that's like he saw himself in Lamar Jackson and what he could potentially become. And I mean, also keeping it real that very few people saw this coming, which is why the Ravens deserve a lot of credit for going all in on it because, I mean, who could, no one saw this coming, probably not even Lamar Jackson. He put in the work he needed to do. While we talk so much

about what Lamar is able to do athletically and on his feet and these rushing yards and this amazing record, he's throwing the ball tremendously. The development that he has had over the past year is remarkable. So they're, they're in a great position, obviously, moving into the postseason. And they are 17 point favorites of going to Fox Bet. Yeah. They'll blow them out. Yeah. So Eli Manning's time with the Giants seems to be coming to an end. But that doesn't mean he's done with football altogether. And Brett Farv thinks Eli wants to keep playing. And he can be a great addition to another team.

I would think that deep down inside, he would have felt like, okay, this is not the situation that I ever envisioned. I think he still got a lot of football left in an age where they protect the quarterback the way they do it. And offenses are a lot more prolific. I think he could be huge for another team. if he so chooses. Yeah, I don't see that at all. At all. I mean, I like Brett Farrer, but I don't see that at all.

I also am not seeing that. I will say this. I have a lot of respect for Eli Manning. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's not the... And I think he's handled the situation very gracefully. I hated the way that they benched him a few years ago. I thought that was disrespectful and quite frankly silly.

But I do think that Eli Manning's time in the NFL has come to an end, not just because he's not playing the way he needs to. The game is just changed. And there's so many athletic quarterbacks. I mean, even, what's happening with Drew Locke? Like, there's so many examples of what you can do when you get the system working around your quarterback. O-lines are bad. You can't be unathletic.

And if you are, like Philip or Eli, you can't be mistake prone. You've got to be breeze. Like, the world's changed. The O-line play is egregiously bad outside of everywhere except, like, Dallas. Right. And to his credit, he's incredibly durable. But he never gets, he lets go with the ball. He never gets hit.

Right. But he's 39. Like where I do feel like Cam Newton still has football left to play, he's 30. So while he's had some injuries, he's 30 years old. Eli's 39. He turns 38. He turns 39 in January. So yeah, it'll be 39.

I didn't know that. I thought he was like 35, 36. Eli's 39 years old. Yeah. Not to be the one to tell, but it's on Google. Finally, Jared Goff got a huge contract extension this year worth 134. million over four years. He was the first overall pick in 2016.

But fourth rounder, Dak Prescott could potentially get even more. And when he was asked if he would be surprised if Dak got a larger contract, Gough said, no, not at all. He's a great player and he deserves everything that's coming his way. That's very nice. It's easy for a rich guy to say that to a guy that will be

rich. Look, I know this is not a great time to talk Dak Prescott's contract. But I also think it's kind of silly to evaluate Dak Prescott on a week-to-week basis. And I think at this particular season, it's kind of telling that maybe Dak Prescott needs a more seasoned, advanced

offensive coordinator. Maybe we overreacted to their success early in the season when they were beating really bad teams. I think that's fair. I think if you look at the entire body of work of what Jack Prescott is, he is a franchise quarterback and does deserve a large long-term deal. That said, also, I think we know now, Jared Goff's deal is actually not a bad deal. It's Jared's fine. You can't be bad on the interior O line with pocket guys who are...

And lose your best offensive weapon. Yeah, it's, it's, listen. The Rams have a great coach, a lot of weapons. They're fine and a good defense. They're fine, but they're not going to be special unless they clean that old lineup and get another running back. And they will. Yeah. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Line News. So to Joy's point, the HBO's got to show the RRour. of coaching. It's terrific. It's got Saban and Belichick. And there was this, I could have run five minutes of this on the air, but we have limitations on how much we can run from other networks. But there was a moment when they, it's really fun. It's they have so much respect for

each other and you got the, you know, Belichick is kind of mumbling stuff and he's kind of laughing. I think Belichick's wildly entertained by Sabin. I think he makes him laugh. And Sabin's very, Sabin's very funny. He's a recruiter. So Nick has to go out in the road and recruit all the time. So Nick, he's doing commercials. Nick's funny. If you ever been around Nick, I I have a couple times. Nick's funny. Belichick, I've not been around. I saw him one time.

I ran up to him with a couple plays. But the whole point is that the art of coaching on HBO is great. And here's something they touched on last night. Good players can't overcome bad coaching. And with bad coaching like we had last year in the Miami game where we couldn't play defense for seven seconds, I don't care how good the players are. Bad coaching, they can't overcome it.

That's a bad feeling. You never want to let your team down. But I after the game feeling like I didn't do a good enough job as a coach. He was talking about how they had gronkin as the deep safety. And gronk, you know, is obviously not going to outrun a pitch guy on the last play of the game. And they also show the Nick Saban, Auburn, Alabama loss on the field goal, which is just unbelievable, depending on what side of the fence you're on, great or daunting.

But it's interesting because there's two teams in the NFL where we know they have good players, the chargers and the cowboys, and they don't have winning records. So I think in both instances, you really have to. inspect coaching. I think it's fair to ask questions about Anthony Lynn, although I think situationally it's more often the fault of their kicking in Phillip Rivers last several years, and I think you have to inspect Jason Garrett. But I'm also a big believer in you have to find common threads to spot problems. If you look at Dallas's five worst offensive games, they've come against New England, New Orleans, the Jets, the Bills, and the Bears. All five of those

have veteran defensive coordinators. Those are not the five best defenses they've played. They're not. The Jets aren't. They're not the five most talented defenses they played. But they are arguably the five best coached defenses they play. And Kellan Moore, 31 years old, only been a coach, a quarterback coach for one year, gets pushed into the offensive coordinator role. And I think he's a little over his skis when they face elite defensive staffs. So this, you know, Belichick said it last night. Good players just can't overcome bad or average coaching. And, you know, I think this is nothing against Callan Moore, but this league has got so many Pete Carrolls, Bella Check, you know, Mike Tomlin. These guys have been toiling in the trenches for 30 years on defense, new concepts, old concepts, close games. And I think Dallas and those five games against Chuck Pagano, Dennis Allen, Belichick, Greg Williams, they've been exposed. They're not good, and they're both losing close.

The Chargers lose close. and Dallas loses close. Now, again, I think in the Chargers case, a lot of times it feels like some bad situational football, sometimes by Philip Rivers. Where I don't, Dax got a fact, Dallas, there's only time in Dallas history. They have a 4,000-yard quarterback,

a thousand-yard rusher and a thousand-yard receiver, and they're six and seven. So I think it's really fair in Dallas. And the Chargers, you have to start with, what are we doing to lose close situational games with all our talent? And I think in Dallas, it could be just as much Callen Moore as Jason Garrett.

I know nobody wants to hear that. but I keep going back to Dallas. Every time they face an elite defensive coordinator, they get duped. They just can't move the ball situationally. Coming up next, Rob Parker. He's officially gone off the deep end on the Dallas Cowboys, and I want to hear that, and that's coming up next.

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Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Welcome in Rob Parker co-host of the audience. couple. One of the most amazing people in terms of travel I've ever met. You just got back from Antarctica, 7th continent, final continent traveled for you. It was an amazing time. Was it not? Now you flew four different legs to get there,

took a boat to get there, to hang out with penguins. It was, Colin, of all the things I've ever done in Trout, and I've been to Egypt, saw the pyramids and the sphinx and all that other stuff. You know, this was by far the most fascinating thing because

it's just nature at its best, pure, clean, undisturbed by man. They took a vacuum to you off the boat. You fly four times and get on a boat. They took a vacuum to you. Why? Vacuum, because they want to make sure you don't have any seeds or anything that could fall out of your pocket and contaminate the nature there.

The animals are so great. You can walk up right to them. Penguins. You know what I mean? You're not supposed to touch them. But they'll walk up to you. They're not afraid of man. also elephant seals.

We saw whales. It was fascinating. And I guess because man doesn't hunt those animals there, they have no reason to be afraid. So the animals don't run from you. Isn't that great? It was, I highly recommend it. What do they eat up there? What's the specialty?

Well, nothing because there's nothing there was all on the cruise ship. So they just make them regular meals. Nobody lives there, right? Nobody lives there. Nobody's there. The only people who spend time up there are scientists and some military people they have off. There's some bases and whatnot, but not like a lot of people. So you can't stay there.

This was summer, and it was about 26 degrees, and this was summer. I was very concerned for Rob because he was telling us in hair and makeup before he left that they recommended he buy this certain coat. And you know, Rob is very frugal. So he was not interested in buying this coat, talking about renting things. Like, when are you going to use an Antarctica coat again? right? He wouldn't do it. So he wouldn't do it, but he survived. I survived. Thank God. And you know the other part? I bought a brand new pair of boots, but they have

boots for us. I wish they would have told me. I can't even return them because I got rid of the box. So I'm stuck with a pair of $89 boots that I don't need in L.A. Well, congratulations on going to your seventh continent. Thank you very much. All right, Patriots with this ridiculous, quote, scandal taping the Bengals, does it bother you? Of course it does. And stop saying it does that it's a, non-story and it's no big deal. If it wasn't, the NFL wouldn't be investigating it.

There were rules, right, in the league. Okay. Yeah, there's some rules. So, Colin, there's also about where your pants are supposed to be, where your socks is supposed to be, what uniform you wear. Some of those you laugh at, what does it matter where a guy's socks are

uniform? But the Patriots continue to get caught up in stuff that I never hear any other team gets involved in. And I'm going to tell you this. if Bill Belichick is linked to this, like he knew what was going on, and this is like strike number two from SpyGate, then he should be indefinitely suspended from the league because this would be offense number two.

And they should interview, like, people who have worked there, other people, you know, who are currently working there and get to the bottom of it. How deep-rooted is this? You know, because now when you look at it, Instead of celebrating the Patriots for all the winning that they've done, there's a whole slew of people out there outside of New England who look at this team and will never give this franchise its rightful due

because there's always in the back of your mind how much of this was involved with cheating. Well, I mean... You don't buy into that? I think it's like if you told me Warren Buffett had insider information on a cell, I would still think he's the best investor of my lifetime because of a 60-year history of investing. I don't take an isolated moment or two and define you. If you're a great columnist and you had a really lousy column,

I don't go lousy columnist. I'm like, great columnist, bad judgment one day. Oh, but if I was a great columnist and I plagiarized, you would not consider me a great columnist. That would take away from all the other stuff that I've done had I plagiarized one column. Really? Yes, it would.

Because there's an integrity that's involved. And when we talk about sports, the integrity is very important. It's the reason. People always for a long time, oh, Pete Rose, he bet on a few football games. What's the big deal? You mess with the integrity of the game. Can I affect the game, even if I bet on my team to win, and I'm Pete Rose, I got a doublehead of tomorrow.

I burn out my bullpen tonight because I got $10 grand on the game. Have I messed with the integrity of the game tomorrow? when I don't have any pitchers. Yes. I have. So the integrity is important, and this is why I can never look at Bill Belichick and consider him the greatest coach of all time. He's tainted, and this taints him whether or not it's no big deal to the NFL or there's

no big suspension or they say they aren't involved. They've planted the seed here that Bill Belichick's always attached to some sort of cheating scandal, something's going on. There's going to be a book that's going to come out. down the road that will expose, I'm almost positive of this, what went on. Eric Mangini's Exhibit A. He was one of his disciples. And so you can't just pass that off and act like nothing happened. It'll be Alice in Wonderland full of fairy tales. Okay, Redskins, Washington Post writes an article today where Redskin fans, some are

bailing to support 45 miles away the Ravens, Lamar, because they're better run to better product. It's consistently well run. Lamar's exciting. And people are like, I'm buying Ravens gear. Of all sportscasters I've ever met, you're the most fan. You're the most fanatical of the sportscaster. So this bothers you, doesn't it? It does from this standpoint. Explain why this would bother you. I understand people like, if you have a bad owner or something, you're kind of frustrated. But the whole idea about being a fan is the idea that there's a payoff for you. I grew up in a 70s with the Mets. They were horrible, horrible, all right?

I went to high school in Queens where the Mets played. I couldn't even wear Mets hat to high school. That you would be ridiculed. The Yankees had Reggie Jackson. I'm in Queens, and I couldn't even wear a Mets hat. But here's the thing. There's a payoff. When the Mets won the World Series in 1986,

I never felt better in life. I could finally die in peace because I saw my team win. And I think it's the same thing, even if you're a Redskins fan, Daniel Schneider, stinks as an owner, they're terrible. I get all that. It feels bad. But at some point, you hope that it turns around and you'll be there. Do you remember when the Red Sox won for the first time in 80-something years? Yeah.

People held up signs. I can die now. Oh, my God, it was the most unbelievable thing. You invest in it. You invest in it. It's not always going to be good. Most people just want to see their favorite team, Colin, win one or two teams. times and I'm good.

It feels a little bit like you're a sucker though, right? You're going to just change because, all right, so when the Ravens are bad, when they get knocked out in the first round of the playoffs, then what? You know who my favorite team in the NFL is today? Whoever's winning? Hey, listen, I said, well, I'm loyal to product

and results. My whole life. A restaurant's bad. A diner's bad. Boom, I go to the diner next door. But maybe they had a bad day. The cook had an upset stomach. He wasn't feeling good. Or I had one because I ate They're food. No, I've said before, I'll give my team a bad day or a year. I get that. But if I feel institutional malfeasance or incompetence, I'm not going to pay for 15 years to support your nonsense.

How about being a Detroit Lions fan? I would have bailed years ago. They've won one playoff game since 1957 in a league that's built around paradise. I don't have the DNA to support crap. It's not in me. I can't do it. Like, I've been disappointed enough in my life and hurt enough. I don't want the pain.

Like, I am, nothing bothers me more. Everybody's different, right? I can't support in any, any field incompetence. Now, there's a difference between incompetence and my quarterback gets hurt and we're 2 and 14. Or your bullpen. Like, you know, you have a good baseball team. And all of a sudden, you know, you paid a zillion dollars for a pitcher. He's down and your closer gets overpaid by the rival.

Like, I understand there's rebate. building, I'm not bailing on every bad team, but you're what you lived in Detroit? Do you think that was bad luck or bad management? No, it's bad management and ownership. I get that and fans have a right to have frustration. But here's the difference, too. We live in a different world, and this is why it's easier for people to bail. In the old days, and I know, you know, hey, get off my lawn kind of guy, but you know,

you could only see your team on television, right? Yeah. Now I can see any team. I can pick any team. That's right. I can read the website of that team. Right. I'm living in Alaska and I'm a Yankee fan or I'm, you know, right?

So you can easily do that now. I can go on. I don't have to go to the stadium to buy that team's jersey. I could go online and order it. Yeah. So I can watch every game. I can read everything about it and not be in that town. Yeah, why should I have to be loyal because my house is closer to the stadium?

The bottom line is I can go online. I mean, I'm a kid that grew up in Seattle. I love the Cincinnati Reds with Johnny Benj and P. Rose. But you don't want to become a flip-flopper. Oh, yeah. So all those Redskins fans, all of a sudden, the Ravens lose in the playoffs, and now what? By the way, you know what I wear every day in the summer? Flip-flops.

I'm totally comfortable flip-flopping. I love flip-flops. I wear flip-flop every day. What about the pebbles and the flip-flops? The fruity pebbles or the rock pebbles? No, the rock pebbles. Rob Parker. Coming up, David Carfine Lauer.

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Joy, how are you? I'm great. We have at the end of the show today, it's going to be a fascinating segment. A fascinating segment. There's a lot of talk. Yesterday you had on the show, you brought up something interesting. We know Tom Brady put his house up.

for sale. We know that Alex Guerrero, Tom's trainer, put his house up for sale. We know Tom is no longer the local sportsperson for his number one charity in Boston. There have been rumors by NFL reporters that he is absolutely wanting high 20 million a year and they're not giving it to him. We're going to play a game at the end of this show. We know there's four to five things Tom Brady will demand at his age when he goes. You start eliminating teams. Who are the teams he's going to end up with? I think it's very fascinating.

You'll want to watch this. Do we have a name for this little shenanigans we're doing? These hijinks we're doing? I don't know. Tommy travels. Something like that. Right. Also, David Carr, a brother of Derek Carr, NFL Network, former NFL

quarterback will be joining us. But we've got to start with America's team and sort of, you know, the Dallas Cowboys. ongoing question about who could coach them next year. Let's start there. We're getting a lot of these articles now about who should replace Jason Garrett as the head coach since the owner's talking about it. I'll speculate on it. And I get all these names and I get all these college guys. And I think these college guys are very, very interesting. And I really, really do. But why are we not mentioning like the best college coach of all time and he's still coaching and he still dominates

mostly the toughest division in college football, Nick Saban. Now, I know what you're saying, Colin, Nick is older. Not everybody ages the same. HBO's had this special on The Art of Coaching, Belichick and Sabin. And if you've watched any of this, it's crack for football fans. But the first thing you take away is Saban feels much younger than Belichick. His energy, his enthusiasm, just the way when you look at him, he looks very young. There's a moment in the art of coaching on HBO when Sabin's joking was.

some of his college players because he runs out to practice. I'm the only one to ran down here. I'm the only one to ran down here. I get Medicaid in October. I get Medicaid. How old are you? 22? I look 22 and you look 65.

I mean, just based on body hang. So it's very funny. And when you watch this special on HBO, Sabin's got incredible energy. These are just numbers. I mean, Brady's 42. LeBron's in his 17th year. We see it happen with athletes who have to work out. a 67-year-old coach, a 68-year-old coach.

Everybody's younger today if you take care of yourself. There's five reasons that are obvious why Jerry should call him and Nick should listen. Number one, Lane Kiffin's now in the SEC. As good a recruiter as anybody in the country. So is Ed Orgeron, maybe the second best recruiter in the country. So is Kirby Smart. Maybe the third best recruiter in the country. It's getting real competitive in the SEC.

Bama doesn't have the players they used to on defense. you got the best recruiters in the country going up against Nick Saban. And college football increasingly is a young man's game, the transfer portal, all this stuff. That's number one. Number two is, what does the NFL not have? A transfer portal, year-round recruiting. Again, college football is wearing out coaches like it's never done. NFL now, you control your inventory more so than college.

It used to be the college coach. He controlled the kids. Those days are over. Your backup quarterback can transfer tomorrow. There's nothing you can do about it. Your left tackle, your best linebacker. In the NFL, I got guys under contract. Number three, Dallas is not a rebuild.

This is not an exhaustive rebuild. Like when Jimmy Johnson and Jerry started the Cowboys and worked 20 hours a day, Dallas has the personnel, Dallas has the ownership, Dallas has the infrastructure. This roster is not the lions or the dolphins. It's not a rebuild. Number four, when you look at any company, can you add something to their weakness? Nick Saban's one of the smartest defensive coaches ever and Dallas is not well coached on defense. He will have an immediate impact on the defensive side of the football.

He's not taken over for Tomlin and Pittsburgh or Belichick in New England where the defense is already really well coached. The defense, there's players there that don't have the coaching. And number five is it's a perfect entry point. Dallas could be with all these players under 500. I mean, you never want to replace Howard Stern. You know, you want to replace somebody where you look at the numbers and go, oh, I can double those numbers. All these things add up.

It's not a rebuild. College football is now a young man's game. The best recruiters are all moving in the Lane's neighborhood in the SEC. He would upgrade the defense immediately. Remember, Jerry has already gone to the college ranks, but he's not only gone to the college ranks, Jerry hired a retired college coach, Barry Switzer. He'd been out of the sport for years.

Nick Sabin's 68, but when you watch LeBron in his 17th year and Brady and Breeze, we're asking those guys to be elite athletes against 23-year-olds, and they're dominating. You can't ask a 68-year-old, intellectually nimble, high-energy guy to coach against 58-year-olds. College football is becoming a young man's game. The NFL is an old coach's game. Mike Tomlin's got some gray hair. Belichick, Sean Payton, John Harbaugh. You start, Andy Reid, these got Pete Carroll.

Pete Carroll's older than Nick Saban. I mean, come on. The NFL is now an old guy's game with the wisdom and the experience. As long as you're willing to evolve, you just out. I mean, do you really trust Matt LaFleur, the Green Bay Packers going up against Pete Carroll? Do you really trust him? I don't. I don't trust him against Mike Zimmer.

Vikings. If you list the top 10 coaches in the NFL, eight or old guys, you list the top 10 coaches in college football. Boy, it's a lot of Matt Rules. It's a lot of Lincoln Riley's. It's a lot of Dan Mullins. It's a lot of Kirby smarts. It's dabbo swing. Not that old. I think Cowboys have to call him. I think Nick needs to listen. I mean, Nick could go and do TV and make a bunch of money, but Nick likes stature. What's the number one stature job in American sports? Nick likes stature. He doesn't need the money. Nick likes money. He's got his Mercedes dealership.

Nick likes money, but what he really likes, he likes it all. He likes doing this thing with Belichick. And the NFL is the only hole in Nick Saban's resume. That is it. I mean, other than that, he's the coach. He's the best college coach ever. Never forget if one doctor cleared Drew Brees for the Miami Dolphins, Nick Sabin doesn't go to Bama, he stays in the NFL and wins there.

Let me shift to this. very nice moment last night in Canada from Canadians. Not shocking. These are nice, reasonably minded people. Kauai Leonard came there for a year, won a title left, could have chosen the Raptors. Instead, he wanted to choose his home state, California. He comes back last night. Clippers dominate the Raptors, but it was before the game. That was really special. Here it is. That is very nice, and that's what Toronto should have done. He was traded there. It wasn't as first choice. He never promised he'd stay. First two weeks in Canada, he said it's really cold here. So you should have cheered him. He delivered. But you know what Kawhi Leonard was? It's a reminder that

sports is not a 401k. You can dip into it all the time. You can dip into your future. Kauai Leonard was the best rental ever. And there are some things in life like jet skis, bowling shoes, you're better off renting. Ryan Tannahill, why get men? Why get date, franchise tag, let him go. You know what Ryan Tannihill is? Nick Foles. You rented him. You won a Super Bowl.

49ers once did this with Dion Sanders. Come play for a year. Thanks for guarding Michael Irvin or whoevs. We won a Super Bowl trophy. Not everything has to be a 401K. People say, Lamar Jackson may not last. What if it's four years and you win a Super Bowl? I'm good.

I'll draft the next Lamar. Not everything. I ski a lot. That's my hobby. I've never owned skis. Why? You go to a ski resort, and they have the best rentals. And have you ever, you want to see the most miserable people in America at an airport?

It's a family with ski equipment. Those are the most miserable-looking people in America. I just go to the ski resort. What are your best rentals? Even if I crash, I don't have to pay for them. I buy insurance. Not everything has to be owned. There's a lot of things to rent.

I bought a boat one time. Hour later, I'm like, that's the dumbest thing I've ever done in my life. Why can I rent a boat? three times a year. So that's what I do. I crash it. I have insurance. Somebody else pays. What's the point? He was a rental. Toronto's not a place that gets

free agents. Let's be honest, even if you got the best draft pick, unless his name is Kobe or LeBron, there's no guarantee you're going to win championships. A lot of these places in sports, they're building for the future and it's always long term and we can't dip into the

if you're Toronto, Canada, rent players. Not getting them forever. Most of the guys don't want to go up there. It's Canada, the taxes, it's cold. I mean, even Steve Nash turned down Toronto in Canada. So good for them. I like the way they acted.

I think Kauai is the best rental ever. I mean, you can buy your own scuba gear and, you know, walk around the globe with that oxygen tank on the back of that plane on a delta. Why don't you just rent gear? Just go to Aruba. Just rent your scuba gear. No reason to buy it. They got good stuff.

Their oxygen tanks work, too. Oxygen tanks all over the globe. Happy the way Toronto treated him. And I'm happy that Toronto rolled the dice because they're not a franchise that's going to land free agents. Right. They did. It worked.

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Discover.com slash cashback match. What are you waiting for? David Carr, NFL Network, former number one pick played in the NFL for 12 NFL seasons. Super bright guy. We love having you on. Your brother, of course, is Derek Carr with the Raiders. So let's just start with that. First of all, I thought they'd be atrocious.

They were really good. I do think they found their legs early, which considering the chaos wasn't easy. and then I think over time they're young. They're really offensively they're pretty close. Defensively, they're not. Let's go back.

I mean, because I think overall you'd have to look at the Raiders season today and say pretty good. You've got to be mostly happy, right? Look, man, if you look big picture, which John Gruden, that's what he's doing. He's a tenure contract. He's not going anywhere.

So he's looking big picture this whole time and he's had a pretty good outlook on this thing. I remember talking to him in training camp, the first week of training camp, and Antonio Brown was still going through his thing. Yeah. He's like, is he going to be here? He's going to practice.

And he was like, Dave, I haven't seen him practice. He's been out here two or three times. But I got to change my entire playbook if he's not going to be because every play is supposed to go to 84. That's literally what he said to me. I'm like, okay, well, what are you going to do if he doesn't? He's like, we'll just have to figure it out. And he did.

To his credit, John figured it out. And he took three tight ends, put him out there. Josh Jacobs started running the ball really well. Darren, the tight end turned out to be a pretty good player. And they actually gave him a contract halfway through the season because he's a guy that Derek really trust. And so they developed an identity on offense that you can kind of say, okay, they're going to be okay. And then they overperformed. They won a couple of games. They probably shouldn't have. But they played excellent football. Their defense was still young.

You got Max Crosby out there. You got Farrell out there trying to make some plays. You know, Jonathan Abram played half of a football game and knocked himself out. So like there's been some things that they've had to kind of work through on the defensive side. But, you know, I thought they've did a good job. And to this point, to be where they are, I mean, that's probably probably a little bit better than most people thought they would be. Yeah, I mean, if you had said before the season, Raiders, with their stuff, 500, I think some people would have taken that. I would agree. Yeah, because I'm not the team, obviously. The team's like, no, no, we want to win the Super Bowl, which everyone does. But you feel realistic about where they were with all the youth on the defensive side and what they were trying to do on offense as far as reinventing themselves in August. I mean, that's pretty good. So I want to get into something. I don't think everything new works, but I don't want to be old guy and rigid guy and brittle guy. So when I see cultural changes, like, I, I don't think everything new works. I don't want to be old guy and rigid guy and brittle guy. So when I see cultural changes, like,

I jump in. I think that analytics can be fun. And I do think college football now is running the spread. Offensive lines are now worse, virtually impossible to rebuild them quickly. And so I do think having a quarterback that can move, it's not an either-or. Daniel Jones is about as less athletic as I want. I mostly want a guy with good feet. Your brother's not a runner, but he's got good feet.

He can move. He can move. So I do think, I don't think necessarily Lamar per se is the future because he's an outlier. I agree. But I do think mobile quarterbacks, it's not a fad, right? Like I think it's not a fad. I don't think so. I think that you have to just, as a franchise, you have to understand that if you do that,

if you go that route, you're not going to have a 15-year career. We'll just look at Cam Newton. He was one of the best to ever do it running the football from the quarterback position. And he's like right around 30 years old, and he might be done. He's an old 30. He's an old 30. And can he still even do some of the things that made him an MVP candidate as far as running the football? So if you go down that road, I think it's interesting because the NFL,

there's only a number of, of teams that have an elite quarterback. And if you're going to be just a pocket guy, you have to be extremely accurate, throw with great anticipation, know what the defense is doing before they even line up. Before the defense coordinator of even calls the play, you've got to know what defense they're going to be in. And guys like Tom Brady, Drew Brees, there's guys that can do that, but not everyone has that guy. So if you, if you're not in that situation, then why not level the playing field and find a guy like Lamar? Now, I'm not saying there's guys like that all over the country, but you can design an offense much like Greg Roman has designed and utilize. Greg Roman was my

quarterback coach in Houston. And he wanted to put quarterback runs in from the jump. He came into the building and he was sitting there and he's like, I got some great ideas. You know, we'll use you on third down and actually level the playing field because a lot of times when a quarterback and a traditional offense hands the football off, we got the best seat in the house.

We just sit back and watch the running back run. We're like a fan. We're like, oh, a great run. You know, and you kind of, that extra guy is always coming down in the box, always causing fits in the run game. But as soon as you have a quarterback that can now run the zone read or you utilize them in actual quarterback design runs, the defense doesn't have the advantage anymore.

Gone is the Bill Belichick's schematic advantage. It's no longer there. Think about the teams that the Patriots have lost to, mobile quarterbacks, Deshawn Watson, Lamar Jackson, because the coaching aspect... It eliminates some of that. It becomes a little flag football. A little bit, right? And so

teams will eventually work on it and figure it out and they'll get an offseason to kind of say, okay, this is what they do. No, that's David Carr joining us. Buffalo did something that I think you liked. I loved it. I've been I've been waiting for teams to come out and just challenge them, play zero. Tell people what zero is.

So zero is basically man coverage across the board, and you put that extra guy down in the box. He's no longer playing free safety watching the past. He's responsible for the quarterback, and they had great success. And what it made Lamar do and made the Ravens do is it forced them to make throws down the field. Now he did. He hit Hayden Hurst on a big touchdown that eventually won the football game for him. But honestly, when you look at it, would you rather do that or would you rather let them

have the ball for 40 minutes a game? That to me is just a moment. is just a morale killer. I completely agree. You've been in games and you're watching it from the sidelines. And there's nothing you can do. And we've heard it said before. It's like, what's the best thing to do against a good quarterback?

You keep them on the sideline. These guys are the epitome of keeping guys on the sideline. And they have the best quarterback in the game right now as far as what they're doing on offense. So it really is a morale killer. And when you watch them take the ball at the beginning of the games, like I watched them in the Coliseum the other day against the Rams. They just marched down the field and score. It's like, oh, well, there it is.

And then eventually you walk out of the stadium in the second quarter because it's a wrap. It's over, you know? So I would rather get up challenge guys like Buffalo did. Yeah, they gave up the big play. It was pretty much a blown coverage, but they were right there, man. They had a chance. If you find a team that can play a little better offense and do that same thing, schematically on defense, you might win a football game.

Well, San Francisco got close, by the way. They did. They did. Jets won't tonight. Okay, David Carr joining us. I want to talk to you about college quarterbacks because I love the position. I study it. I've whipped on guys, but I think I'm mostly pretty close. I think Joe Burroughs talented, but I think we're going crazy.

And by the way, this happens in college basketball. If a guy has a good final four, well, oh, my guy, guys, Shabazz Napier. It's like, no, the guy in Europe is. Wait until you see the seven foot of the three. But we haven't seen the video. So same in the college playoff. You get down to the SEC championship. You watch Joe Burrow and you're like, oh, my God.

And I'm thinking, there's a guy at Utah State could be just as good. And he gets drafted by Carolina with way better players. So let's just talk about Joe Burrell. I like him. I don't love him. What do you see? I mean, to me, Joe Burroughs playing great football. He's done a great job for himself, moving into the LSU, becoming an LSU tiger.

I mean, he's part of that family. He's throwing the ball effectively. But, I mean, if you look at him, he's probably an above average pocket passer, right? Kirk Cousins, maybe. And that's kind of what I see. Not Kirk Cousins is number seven in the league in pastor rating right now. He's doing a good job. He's going to win a lot of games if you have the right people.

Yeah, but I mean, is he a guy that is going to transcend the team? Is he going to take him to the next level? I don't necessarily know that. LSU is a talented football team. They're playing good football. They've changed their offense. Finally, I was waiting for LSU. Finally, just get inventive.

Do something where you can actually have. You have so many weapons. Remember when they had Odell Beckham, Jr., they had all these weapons. And they were a power run team. And they ran the football. And finally they got, you know, they grab an offense coordinator that knows what he's doing. They look good. But for me, too, is the guy.

Okay, let's talk. Steve. When Baker, McVille came out, people said Drew Breeze. and I'm like, first of all, he's not as athletic as a young Drew. He's accurate, but I don't like his temperament like Drew because I think temperament's a huge part of... Oh, absolutely. You're kind of the governor of the state.

There's things you can't say in front of a microphone. I see some breeze with Tua. I see the accuracy. And he's a better athlete, obviously, than I think people give him credit for... I mean, well, sometimes people over-exaggerate his athleticism as well. I think so. I think he was a good athlete. He's a good enough athlete.

He's not Dishone Watson. No, but he's, I mean, when Drew was younger, he could run around and make plays. I think Tua does the same thing, but Tua is incredibly accurate. You think about when he was a freshman. He walks into the best conference as far as defense goes and just lit it up. It's like, are these guys even playing defense? And he was a kid right out of high school. So I love his makeup.

You know, the thing that I heard the other day, I heard him kind of weighing his decision. Like, oh, do I go back to Alabama? I was like, I wanted to like, someone give me his number. Please. Tua, go in the draft. Go later. You go to a great team. Yes.

Like, don't be the number one pick. Who wants to do that? I said, I wouldn't tell, I wouldn't say it publicly. But if I had a son and he was a top prospect and he was going to interview with the poorly run team, I'd say, be a little standoffish. Just tell them. I thought the same thing. If the Chargers interview you. Just be a little bit aloof.

But if it's up top, it's a Washington. It's a Cincinnati. Not butcher the interview, but be a little. Is this blasphemy? Can we say this? Can you just butcher? I mean, I understand. It makes sense, though.

No, I mean, sometimes if you don't. Well, think about, okay, think about, I remember when the Steelers, you know, I remember when the Steelers. The Steelers were like, oh, they got a great team. Tommy Maddox was playing quarterback for him. They're trying to survive. I'm like, these guys are really good on defense. If they could just find a quarterback and then, oh, they're good. So they pick in the lead. I remember where Ben Rothesberger went that year.

13th or something? Yeah, but I was like, there it is. And then I watched, we played them in the preseason. Ben's excellent. I'm like, well, here we go. And then multiple Super Bowls later, they got their guy Aaron Rogers. Same thing. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean. Yeah, I mean, Ben, by the way, they were very, Philip Rivers, first year in San Diego. They were very conservative. Ben, they were very conservative and let the defense win. win. When you look at the Dallas Cowboys and what I try always to do I take out the yellow notepad

and if a team has talent they're losing I try to find a common thread. Why are they losing? So when I look at Dallas's losses, here's what I see. Kellen Moore, quarterback coach for a year, then your coordinator. And his losses have not come to the five

best defenses, but they've come to five veteran defense coordinators. Nailed it. Belich. That's what I see. You nailed it. You nailed it. Because so I think there's two things. I think situationally, Jason Garrett can be better. And he's he's shown that in situational, he's just been a little conservative and you got to be a little aggressive. There's analytics out there that can help you do that. So I think that's one thing. But I think the other thing, and you're exactly right, these veteran coordinators have seen a lot of football. They go back. They'll watch Kellynne Moore's high school film. They'll watch what he did at Boise State. They're going to know what you did. And so he had success early, right? Because, okay, well, what is you really going to be about? Is there going to be a little Jason Garrett? Is there going to be okay, we got it. We know what he's all about. And now teams are starting to dial in and good defensive coordinators can dial into what he does, attack his protections,

test everything that you have. And it's been a challenge for him. Now, he's a good young coordinator. He's going to do a good job, but he's not where some of these guys are. He's a student. They're the teacher. He's not where they are right now. There's no question. And that's exactly what's happened. By the way, is your brother now is

getting ready to move to Las Vegas. So I've seen that stadium five times. I go there all the time. I've yet to see it. Oh, it's great. I'm actually going to go next week and check it out. So let me ask you, as much information as you can give us.

Sure. I think if I was a pro athlete, no state tax, Vegas got the best restaurants, maybe in America right now. Is the team fired up for Vegas? Well, I think that's difficult because as a player, you realize that you have a job to do and you talk to them even before the season or during the season. It's like, I've got a game. So it's difficult.

I think that I think the opportunity to go to Vegas is, is really awesome for the NFL. I mean, it's tough to leave Oakland. I think that if they could have made that work, and obviously that would have been... You'd never want to leave. You don't want to leave, but, I mean, if you look at the alternative,

I think that Vegas is going to be really interesting. So do I. You know what I keep thinking? I keep thinking, David, that if you look at the division they're in, Denver, it's December, around Christmas, you play the Raiders. Let's take our family to Vegas. Kansas City's weather is dreadful in the winter.

There's a lot of these AFC teams that go face the Raiders. Raiders. Buffalo, Sinti, what roadie are you going to do? You know what? Actually, the only problem that I have with it is you're talking about bringing the opponent's fans now to Vegas. So like what's the dynamic going to be in the stadium? Like, is it going to be like what the Chargers face? Like, that's what I'm, that's what I'm curious to see. No, it's a fair point. I've always thought the Raiders are actually the most popular team in L.A. Yeah. I think the Rams are second. The Chargers are a deep third.

When they play the Chargers, we'll find out in a couple weeks, but that's usually what happens. Oh, you guys come down here? I think so, yeah. Oh, boy. All right. By the way, David's on NFL total access tonight following the Jets Ravens on Thursday Night Football. Also, the NFL 100 All-Time Team series continues tomorrow at 8 Eastern. By the way, the all-time team is fascinating. We were talking here off the air. We didn't really do a bit with it.

You know, who's the best player? I think it's unfair because quarterbacks have an advantage. You know who may have been the most unique player I've ever seen in my life? Who's that? The late Walter Payton. Oh, he's incredible. for anybody that's never seen Walter Payton. It's YouTube it. Kids can YouTube that stuff.

It's insane. It's insane. Remember when he got tackled? He would pull people off him. Yeah. Like he was claustrophobic. Yeah, he couldn't handle it. He did not like you on top of him.

So, like he would get tackled and he would literally like grab people and throw him off him. Almost like he was terrified of being tackled. But that's almost how you have to run. Yeah, he was the first player as a kid because I didn't see Jim Brown. Walter Payton was the first player as a kid that literally made a horrible roster. He had one good offensive lineman Noah Jackson made a horrible roster compelling. Yeah, when I look at, and I didn't see Jim Brown obviously play. I saw a little bit of Walter Payton.

But when I watched those two guys stand out to me as guys that just transcended the era that they were in, they were just the best football player on the field pretty much every time they went out there. Who was the best player you were ever on the field with? Oh, man. Probably, probably Ed Reed is far as because I just didn't know where he was. He just didn't know. Like he's supposed to be in cover two, but then he just saw something in your route concept or your drop. or your guards alignment.

And then he would make an excellent break on the football. And it was just really hard to know where he was. It makes it difficult. Quarterbacks like to know where all 11 guys are. Just make a nice little pretty picture for me. Just make it cover two. But then Ed's just doing this nonsense and you just don't know. And he's such a good athlete.

You're like Belichick. That's what Belichick says. Yeah, just line up where I want you to line up. That's why he's so irritating. It's like breaking the rules, man. Great seeing you again. You too, buddy. Thank you.

All right. Good stuff. Joy with the News. No, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So Patrick Valhams injured his hand early in the win against the Patriots last week. He didn't break any bones, but he had significant bruising in his throwing hand, which limited his ability to throw in practice.

But he was back being a full participant yesterday, and he said his hand is healing nicely. It's doing better. I mean, a lot of the swellings went out in these last two days, and so I was able to throw the football around today, and I'm excited to go out and practice and be able to spend it around there. But definitely it was a little scary after the game. when it was a little bit, the bruised and the swelling and stuff like that. But as we've kind of done more and more treatment, the swellings went away,

so I was able to throw the football and everything. You know, I read a story that Andy Reid scaled, you know how the second half the Chiefs was pretty ugly? The story I read two days ago was Andy Reid went in at halftime, and they took just 10 plays out. They wouldn't let him throw it. So Mahomes may have struggled, but some of the concepts, Andy just said, we're not putting you,

we're not letting you throw that deep bone get hit. And that could have played into why they weren't so dynamic. in the second half. So I didn't know that the day after the game, but the following day I read that, and I thought, okay, instead of being critical in the Holmes, and he cut down the playbook. Well, that makes sense.

And you want to make sure that you're healthy going into the postseason, especially at that position. And they have the Broncos this weekend. The Broncos are 2-0 with Drew Luck starting, and they won three of their last five games. So they're not an easy game anymore. Now it is at home for the Chiefs,

but that's the game that he got, he first dislocated his knee in in their first meeting with the Broncos. Then they're at the Bears, and they have the day. Chargers to finish the season. So I mean, it's not an easy game for them this weekend. Not that it's a must win for them, obviously, but you want to be playing your best football at this part of the season and you want to make sure that Mahomes is healthy. Denver's one of those teams we don't think

is good. Pretty tough out. They're pretty tough out right now. I want all I dare compare them to your Cardinals. By the way, by the way, what if Elway got the coach and the quarterback right? Well, if Fangio, and Fangio's out coach Bill O'Brien last weekend, if Fangio's right and Drew Lux right, then all the L-Way heats like, okay, he got the coach and the quarterback right. I always like the Broncos. I always have respect for the Broncos because I feel like they're an organization that no matter what's going on with them, they always play tough. So you have to play when you come to see them. They're not an organization, even if they are struggling at quarterback that I ever just kind of write off like a, you know,

this is not something that they have to worry about. The Chiefs are obviously a better team than the Broncos. but they've been playing well the last couple weeks. So the Packers are in control of the NFC North right now, but the offense has been up and down all season, and Aaron Rogers thinks that consistency is the key to making a deep playoff run. The only difference between where we're at now at 10 or 3

and being a dangerous force that can make a run deep into the playoffs into the Super Bowl is that consistency. And if anything, that will be the deciding factor on our fate here, these next, you know, seven or eight weeks is can we find that consistency in both the run in the past game because it's down a consistency. I think we have the guys for sure and the guys in the specific roles. But it's the 11 being consistent that's going to take us from where we're at now to where

we all want to go. We'll see. Chicago's a tough out. Chicago this weekend getting four and a half points. Goulet, four and a half points today, Bears, Packers. Who would you take? Bears. They're seasons on the line, not the Packers.

Yeah, their season is on the line. So the 49ers, Seahawks, and Packers can clinch playoff first this weekend. So it's not like the Packers are playing for nothing. So the 49ers, the Seahawks, and the Packers. Yes. They can all clinch. They can all clinch this weekend. It doesn't matter what anybody else does.

They win they're in. So the Packers have a one game lead on the Vikings and hold a tiebreaker because they play at Minnesota in week 16. The Bears can be eliminated on Sunday with a loss of the Packers, obviously, and then a win by the Rams of the Vikings. So there's a lot that has to happen for the Bears, but they do first have to win their own game. Now the 49ers can clinch the division with wins the next two weeks over the Falcons and the Rams and the Seahawks lost to the Panthers on Sunday. I know I'm throwing a lot out of two years.

And the 49ers and Seahawks play in week 17. And the winner of Eagles Cowboys Week 16 will likely win that division. So there's a lot on the line this weekend. A lot to pay attention to. A lot of moving parts there. And they play the Bears and they're at the Vikings. As I said, the Packers, Bears this weekend, and they're at the Vikings and at the Lions. So finally, funny, you should mention Walter Payton.

the NFL announced the 32 nominees for the Walter Payton Man of the Year Award. Here are some of the notable nominees this year, obviously. All of them are deserved. Cam Newton, Jarvis Landry, Andrew Whitworth, Malcolm Jenkins, Marquis Pouncey, Richard Sherman, Bobby Wagner, Brandon Carr, Travis Frederick, where's Russell Wilson? Kyle Van Nuoy. I mean, all these guys do stuff in their communities.

It's not really like a competition, but it is a great honor to be nominated, obviously. the winner will be announced during NFL honors, which is Saturday, February 1st on Fox, and they also receive a $250,000 donation to the charity of their choice. Chris Long won it last year, then JJ Watt, Eli Manning, and Larry Fitzgerald won it in 2016. Actually, went to the NFL honors that year. It was the Houston Super Bowl because they announced my brother for the Hall of Famers class that year. Jason actually won the Walter Payton Man of the Year award in 2007. That's nice.

What works Brady on that list? Oh, look at there's Jason right there. Yeah. That's very nice. Very proud of him. Look at that. Was he a nice big brother? He's the best big brother ever.

Really? Yes. We have a great relationship. I've been a huge pain for him for many years. That's very nice. How many times a year do you see him? Well, I mean, it's harder now because I'm on the West Coast. You lose a whole day when you fly to the East Coast.

But I'll see him a lot, obviously. We have the Super Bowl in Miami this year. Oh, that's right. Maybe he'd come to the set. Maybe we'll pump up. Jason, would you please come and do the show? We'll talk about your high school football excellence. What's the team called again?

They're very popular. Oh, St. Thomas Aquinas, yes. That's a football power. Good luck to St. Thomas Aquinas. My nephew's Isaiah and Mason are playing this Saturday for the state championship. In Daytona? In Daytona. Jason coaches there, D-Line. I'm going with my mom.

I'm very excited. Very excited. But you travel, it's incredible. I travel a lot, yes. Do you have a like a Delta card or something? I have a card of card, yes. But I'm also starting to use points, which is very exciting for me. I didn't do it until it was like five years ago.

Yeah, it's a thrill. It's a thrill. It's an incredible how much I get out of it. My whole life, I didn't do anything like that. And about five years ago, I got into it. It's like I got a free flight. It's the best. Yeah, it makes me feel like an adult.

Yeah, finally. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lide News. Okay, coming up next. We're going to tell you where Tom Brady's going to play next year through a process of elimination.

It's very fascinating. I'm very into this coming up next. All right, the winter is here. In fact, what is the date today? It is the 12th, 12, 12, 12. And so I would say to January 12th, February, 12th, March 12th, three months of winter, mostly outside of Florida, three months of winter.

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His trainer, Alex Carrero, has put his house up for sale. There have been little hints that he would be comfortable moving. His dad says he doesn't think it will end well in New England because Tom wants to play to 45 and there's a report Tom wants to make close to 30 million. He's taken enough pay cuts. The Patriots aren't going to go there. And so we thought Peyton Manning when he left Indianapolis, he kind of put it out there and he made it like recruiting. He eliminated teams that didn't have certain things. So by a process of elimination, Joy, in all 32 teams,

I'm going to give you four or five things that I think Tom would eliminate. Okay. So here are the 32 teams. So he's not going to go to a team, obviously, like Green Bay, that has a legitimate franchise quarterback. So who does that eliminate? So that eliminates the Ravens, the Texans, the Chiefs, the Eagles, Green Bay, as you said, Falcons, Seahawks, and Rams.

Okay. He's not going to go at his age, and he's not hyper-athletic. He's not going to a team with a bottom 10 offensive line. Offensive lines are hard to turn around in one draft. There's so many bad ones. Everybody's trying to fix that. There's about seven good offensive line on a draft, maybe eight, and the free agent market slim picking. So take the bottom 10 offensive lines, PFF, get rid of them.

Who does that eliminate? The dolphins, the jets, the bangles, chargers, redskins, Vikings, and Panthers. Okay. He's also lived in this bubble for the last two or three years where he simply doesn't have enough weapons. He wants to go somewhere that has weapons, preferably a legit tight end, a couple receivers, a nice back. So takeaway teams that have below average weapons. Patriots, the Bills, Titans, Jacks. Raiders, Broncos,

and the Cardinals. Okay. Now, when you have Belichick, okay, you're not going to go to a team with a coach that's never won a division or not currently leading a division. So let's, listen, either you gotta have won a division or you're current, let's say you're a good young coach. You're like Kyle Shanahan, you know, it's currently leading a division.

He hasn't won it. So let's just get rid of coaches who have never won a division and are currently leading a division. There's only 10 teams left. So that eliminates the Browns, Colts, Giants, and Lions. And finally, he's not going to a small market. This is the biggest brand in the NFL easily. Get rid of small markets.

Okay. So that cuts the bucks and the saints. What's left? What's left is the Steelers, the Cowboys, the Bears, and the 49ers. The Steelers have Big Ben. The Niners have Garoppolo. The Bears have their head coach. My prediction is Josh McDaniels joins him Tom Brady to the Dallas Cowboys.

What? John Goulet, your reaction? I don't think this is even fair to tease me with something like that. Yeah, that's mean. I'd have to move to Dallas. Can I see the picture of Tom Brady wearing a cowboy uniform one more time for the audience? Oh, my God. Let me see.

Let's look at this just one more time, guys. Oh, Lord. Look at that. That looks right. It actually does. That looks right. Whitlock, before you count those chief Super Bowls, look at that picture right there.

Tom Brady in a cowboy uniform. I don't hate it, actually. I root for chaos, and that would, I mean, people's heads would explode. What do they say? The internet would explode. It would break the internet, yes. And all we eliminated was teams that have a franchise stud,

bottom 10-0 lines. You've got to have legit weapons. Coach has to a won a division or currently leading it. He's not going to a tiny market. You get four teams left. Steelers have Big Ben for three more years. Jimmy Garoppel is going nowhere. It's Chicago or New York.

And I believe... Or a Cowboys, yeah. Yeah. Tom's not going there by himself. He's taking Josh McDaniels, and the Bears already have a great young coach. Josh McDaniels... So he's going to leave and he's going to take Josh McDaniels.

Absolutely. There's no question. In my mind, they're close. Wouldn't Patriots fans just freak out? That's not his problem anymore. That's a you problem. And by the way, wouldn't that be kind of, so you'd lose Brian Flores to the dolphins? Oh, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Kind of stick it to Bill a little bit.

That's one way to end. A friendship. That relationship. That would be crazy. It's not the nuttyest thing, though. Process. No, I mean, like, it would be crazy. Because I think Tom's not going to go.

Tom's not going anywhere by himself. He's going to go somewhere, and Josh is, if you watch Tom versus Time, he was on the phone with McDaniels all summer long, not Belichick. So he's going to take somebody with him. Well, you can't take Gronk. I think he'd take Josh McDaniels. This is delicious. This would be unbelievable.

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I'm not... The Jets have a bad offensive line. They're reportedly only happy with Chuma Adoga the right tackle, the rookie, he will not play the night. So they have a battle line and Baltimore is number two in the NFL and quarterback hits. So Darnold's going to be rushed. That would be okay if you were playing a weaker secondary. But with the addition of Marcus Peters and Earl Thomas,

Baltimore now has an excellent secondary, meaning the Jets average wide receivers will not create separation. So a rushed Sam Darnold and receivers not open means the Jets will struggle to score outside of maybe their opening drive where they've got some tricks and fun with Adam Gase. So there's one way for the Jets to win. It's like 17, 16. And I don't think they're averaging 33 points is Baltimore a game. So I think it's 33, 13 to blowout. I think it's pretty lopsided. Bumbs me out. So tonight you're going to see a guy with help and a guy without it. And Baltimore is going to bounce the jets very quickly. Blazing 5 tomorrow.

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