The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Dak Prescott, Ben Roethlisberger, Baker Mayfield, & Aaron Rodgers

Episode Date: November 29, 2018

Colin discusses what will happen if the Dallas Cowboys beat the New Orleans Saints tonight, Pittsburgh Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger throwing his teammates under the bus, why people will get burned out on Cleveland Browns QB Baker Mayfield, and more on Green Bay Packers QB Aaron Rodgers. Guests include Chris Broussard, Greg Cosell, Daryl Johnston, and T. J. Houshmandzadeh. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Cowboys Saints tonight, wherever you may be, and however you may be listening, live in Los Angeles, Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Joy Taylor is joining me, Cowboys host of Saints tonight. Good morning. That was the biggest night of his life. I'll explain this in a second. Okay, I'm curious.

Yes. I want to talk about today, Joy. And Greg CoSell, one hour from now, which is the most objective, film-driven 50 minutes of football on TV or radio anywhere in America. You just get smarter whether you play fantasy, you bet it or just love football in one hour, Greg CoSell. The power of one. I want to talk about this for a minute. The power of one. You can live a life, be a solid citizen.

But one moment, one play, one line can change everything. Al Michaels was a very good sportscaster. Do you believe in miracles? Yes, changed everything. Dwight Clark, the late great Dwight Clark, was an excellent receiver. The catch changed everything. Sylvester Stallone had $300 in his pocket, but he had the script, Rocky. For 20 years, one of the richest guys in Hollywood. One moment, one play can change everything from at the time good to ordinary people.

Dak Prescott wins tonight. He's going to get $28 to $30 million from the Dallas Cowboys. That's not good. The six highest paid quarterbacks in the NFL right now do not lead their division. They don't. You can't win that way. Breeze, Brady, Ben, taking pay cuts. The other five division leaders are teams with quarterbacks on rookie deals.

But he's going to get 28 to 30 if he wins tonight. because let's pretend I'm Dak Prescott's agent. I've already got this in my favor. 13 and 3 is a rookie. Tony Romo got hurt. We saved the franchise. Jerry, that's worth something. I already got that.

The franchise was dead. My guy saved a franchise. That's got to be worth $100 million, Jerry. I already got that and Jerry knows it's true. Jerry can't argue that. Franchise, Back saved it. I can also say this.

My quarterback never had a losing season. Drew Brees can't say that. My guy's never had a losing season. It's the truth. The agent can also say, if Jack wins tonight, another division title within our sights. Jerry's like three years, two division titles. Here's the other.

If he beats the MVP tonight, Drew Brees, do you realize if Dak wins tonight, Over the last three seasons, he will be the third winningest quarterback in the league. Brady, Ben, and Dak. He will break the tie with Drew Breeze tonight. This is not only a big night for the Dallas Cowboys, this is a big night for Dak and his agent. We know he's the future of the Cowboys, right?

We know that. Everybody knows that. We know he's the future. Jerry keeps in. He's our guy. If he wins tonight, he's going to be our guy making $28 million a year. and you do not want DAC, who by most account statistically, is about somewhere between the 18th and 22nd best quarterback in the NFL,

you don't want him making Kirk Cousins money. But he's going to have the leverage. The power of one. Joe Flackle won a Super Bowl. They were trapped. They had to overpay him. Now, that's a Super Bowl. But let me remind you of two quarterbacks who are not as talented as Dak.

Ryan Fitzpatrick had a 370-yard passing game to beat New England, and they gave him $59 million in Buffalo. They felt trapped. Ryan Fitzpatrick is not as good in my opinion as Dak Prescott. Matt Flynn had a six-touchdown game, a career backup, and the Seattle Seahawks, $20 million. They're not as talented as Dak. They're not winning division titles like Dak.

They're not guys who are 13 and 3 as rookies. Dak beats Breeze tonight. The power of one. One catch, one call, one moment, one game, one win. I've seen lesser quarterbacks get it. The leverage is going to be if Dak wins tonight over Drew Breeze, then next week when Dak Prescott plays for our TV audience, he should switch helmets.

And he should go out and just have that in his helmet, a dollar sign. Because he's going to get whatever he wants. he's going to have all these arguments and the final one's going to be you kidding me my client went toe to toe to with drew brief jared goff couldn't beat him that's all right joe flacco couldn't beat him i know what the my guy beat him huge the power of one huge night for dack the cowboys their future tonight let me shift to this speaking of quarterbacks There are three quarterbacks in this league, NFL, very talented, varying levels of talent, but they're all either going to be Hall of Famers or going to get in the discussion.

Cam Newton, Big Ben, and Aaron Rogers, they're dramatic. And the people who love Big Ben, Cam and Aaron Rogers always defend them. Well, that's coach's fault. It's a running back's fault. It's organization's fault. It's a GM's fault. And by the way, they're all very, very good. but they're all really, really, really dramatic.

And stories tend to linger with them. You know, you have a little story. Eight days later, I'm forced to keep talking about the story. Quarterback should be fire extinguishers, not gasoline. So Big Ben threw a pick Sunday. It's Thursday. And he's still talking about it, forcing me to talk about it. Here he was yesterday about the criticism of teammates on the interseller.

I think that I've earned the right to be able to do that with as long as I've been here. And you know, it's, and I'll be just as critical on myself as well in front of you guys as well. Being around for a long time dealing with a lot of different players. You know, you have to know how to motivate different guys in different ways. And I think that's part of being a leader, being a captain, just understanding players. And so sometimes you just grab them off to the side and sometimes you have to be honest. have to be honest with them. Why are we still talking about this interception?

It's Thursday. Can we stop talking about this interception? Ben, you're too dramatic. Cam, you're too dramatic. Aaron, Rogers, you're too dramatic. Stuff lingers. Now, you know how I feel about quarterbacks. I have my four favorite in the NFL.

I call them the bore for. Nothing lingers. Stories die. Luck, Brady, Breeze, Russell Wilson. They take a bullet. It's on me. Potential stories. end. Football is really hard. Football is so hard that even football practice is hard. Baseball

practice isn't hard. Basketball practice isn't hard. Football practice isn't hard. So I like my quarterbacks to be fire extinguishers, not gasoline. Extinguish things. That's why my favorite four guys in the league, I call them the bore four are Brady, Breeze, Russell Wilson, and Luck. But just think about, if you don't think noise is a big deal. Football's hard enough. Distractions make it harder. So I like quarterbacks who are quiet and end stories. Let me give you, in my opinion, the six noisiest teams in the NFL, the Pittsburgh Steelers, or the noisiest team in the NFL. Would it be fair to say, Joy, you're from Pittsburgh. They have underachieved over the last five years

as they've gotten noisier. Only because the expectations in Pittsburgh are championships. Because they have Pro Bowls. Yeah, they've got Hall of Famers everyone on the roster. So they've underachieved. That's the noisiest team in the league. Here's the second noisiest team, although they are getting quieter this year, the Seattle Seahawks. Politics, ESPN, the magazine articles,

Rippin Russell Wilson, Kumbaya, Seattle Seahawks Dynasty blew up. By the way, they're getting very quiet this year. They're playing well. Third noisiest team, Philadelphia, dog masks, politics, big talkers, having the worst year ever for a Super Bowl champion. Jacksonville.

My bad. Saxonville. I mean, didn't we think this window is going to be like eight, nine, ten years? It's over. They're an absolute disaster. The fifth noisiest team, and for the record, when they were winning Super Bowls, they had stars, not a peep. The New York Giants.

New York Giants have become incredibly noisy. Controversies, receivers and wedding, kicking nets, wedding proposals, controversies. New York Giants used to be quiet and win. Now they're noisy and lose. And the sixth noisiest team in the league, in my opinion, is Green Bay. I mean, good God, there's another story out today about Aaron Rogers. There's a story after story after story.

Six noisiest teams in the league. For the record, some of the most talented. Pittsburgh, Seattle, Philadelphia, Jacksonville Giants, Packers, all are underachieving. Seattle just got quiet in the last few months, having a good year. Let me tell you who's quiet in the NFL. These teams have stars. They're never in the news. The L.A. Rams.

The Kansas City Chiefs. The New Orleans Saints. The Indianapolis Colts. And now that football started, the New England Patriots. Football's hard. Football practice is hard. Noise makes it harder. And for the record, as much as I like Big Ben, he is part of this.

Lavian Bell was a big component to the noise. Levian Bell left, and they're still noisy. They're still noisy. That's on Ben. Think about the six noisiest teams in this league. They got some of the best players. And then think about the six quietest teams, good quiet teams. I never hear Saints stories.

I don't hear Chief stories. I don't hear Ram stories. Like my quarterbacks, take a bullet on me. Bring it down. Jason Whitlock on Speak for Yourself this week said he's just ripping his teammates on the interception. It made him sick. I've earned the right. After I throw the interception, it costs us the game.

I've earned the right to call out my teammates. This is the head coach's job. He just threw an interception to a defensive tackle on the goal line when the wide receivers covered. And afterward, oh, it was the flukiest play, luckiest thing that ever happened. He didn't take any ownership or accountability for that. I've defended Big Ben, but if I'm going to be critical of Aaron Rogers for the drama, and I'm going to be critical of Cam Newton for the drama, I've got to be fair and critical of Big Ben. It's Thursday.

And this story, this pick, is lingering for a fourth day. Levy and Bell's gone, dude. That's on you. Coming up next. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. LeBron is not listening to his coach, Luke Walton. What does it mean?

I'll lay it out for you. And it's the third time I've seen it. But it could be the first time it doesn't work out. That's coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. Heard sponsored by Draft Kings. Play free tonight for your share of $1 million in prizes.

Good to have you in. Top of next hour. Greg Kosell, 15 minutes of great football stuff. Chris Bruce Sard going to be joining me in 20 minutes. Darrell Moose Johnson or the Cowboys getting ready for the Dallas Cowboys. Boys hosting the Saints tonight on Fox. That'll be a great game. These Thursday night games have been great.

Everybody used to complain about Thursday night games. Complain all you want. I love the games. I'll be sitting home tonight. Have a Corona. Feed up watching Saints Cowboys. I love these Thursday games. Corona and soup.

Yeah, I may have soup tonight. It's raining in Los Angeles. It's a big deal. It's a big deal in Los Angeles. Yesterday it's got moist in Los Angeles. And it's not even just like a slow drip. It's really actually raining. El Niño or something.

Who knows? I don't know. People panic here when it rains. Yes, they do. Okay. Here's a story that came out. Uh-oh. In fact, it's interesting.

Two big stars in the NBA, same story came out. Scout's report that LeBron's been ignoring Lute Walton's play calls. Uh-oh. Also this morning, this story breaks. Russell Westbrook has no interest in Billy Donovan's play calls. I swear to God, they both broke this morning. Now, LeBron, I trust him. He has a history of elevating teammates.

Westbrook, I don't trust. Players get better when they leave him. But I don't want to talk about Westbrook. I want to talk about LeBron. Not against Westbrook. He's great. But I want to talk about LeBron here. There are three separate times now.

I've seen this with LeBron. You didn't see it initially in Cleveland that he would ignore the coach. But I saw it in Miami. For the first year and a half, he did not listen to Spolstra, a young, inexperienced coach. Then he won the title in Miami. Miami. And he was easier to coach. Then he went to Cleveland, David Blatt, inexperienced NBA coach. He didn't listen to David Platt. Then he won a title in Cleveland. And then he became easier to coach. And now he's with the Lakers, third inexperienced and young coach. And he's not listening to Luke Walton.

Now, in the first two instances, he becomes very difficult to coach when he moves to a new city and he knows the spotlight in sports is on him. In Miami, pressure, got a win, D. Wade, Bosch, LeBron. He was really tough to coach those first couple years. Then he won the title and we never heard about he's difficult to coach. He left Miami, but it was more about Pat Riley than Spolstra. Then he goes to Cleveland. And he's very difficult on David Blatt to coach. Wins a title?

He and Tyloo are boys. He didn't leave Cleveland because of Ty Lou. He left because of Dan Gilbert. And here we go for the third time. In Los Angeles, a lot of pressure. But the question remains, if he doesn't win a title in Los Angeles, and they are not going to win with this roster,

and the people they want, Kevin, Durant, Anthony Davis, Clay Thompson, they're not available for a minimum of one year, right? Who loses here? Luke Walton. Remember, LeBron's going to get a pass for this year because he's the new guy. And Magic's going to get a pass this year because he got LeBron here. Luke Walton gets no pass.

So I have seen this LeBron for the third time. didn't see it initially in Cleveland. But once he went to Miami and knew the world was watching, increased pressure under a microscope, brutal to coach, won a title. He's the easier to coach LeBron. Left because of Riley. That's bullse. Goes to Cleveland.

Brutal to coach. They had a winning record. David Black, get him out of here. Tie comes in, wins. Leaves town, but not because the Ty still loves Ty. Leaves because of Gilbert. Now he moves to Los Angeles. And according to this quote, when James is running the point, he doesn't look toward the bench to take calls from Luke.

Even when he's seen them, ignores him, runs the plays he wants. Luke is adjusted and now James is running the show. Walton will typically just let LeBron call the game. It's LeBron James being LeBron James. And to that I would say, yes, but it is heightened when he moves to a new city and he's under the microscope. Now, if he wins a title in Los Angeles, I'm arguing here, he lightens up. third place, won a title, legacy set. There'll be increased conversation of greatest ever.

But until that time, the guy in the crosshairs, Luke Walton, Spolstra would have been fired, but he won a title. David Blatt was fired. Tyron Liu came in. This is problematic for Luke Walton, because they're not close to winning a title. I don't think they're bad. I think they're kind of good. I think they'll get to 50 wins, but they need another.

piece and those pieces are all year out except of course the one piece i like bradley beale but nobody wants that move joy taylor with a no no no turn on the news this is the herd line news so big ben has made it clear this week that he sees no issue with calling out his teammates this comes after he called out his receiver james washington who ben thought bought to catch that would have been a for short touchdown yeah well broncos receiver emmanuel sanders has some advice for Ben's receivers. If I was in our locker room, that wouldn't sit well with me because that's a situation that I feel like you handle in-house instead of talking about it.

Obviously, he's the leader of that team. He's a quarterback of that team and everybody looked at him to lead. And so in doing that and going to the media and saying those things, you know, I definitely would probably pull him to the side and be like, hey, man, if you have a problem with anything I do on the field, I would rather talk to me in person about it than talk about in a radio because there's ways to avoid that. You know, I think if Ben had taken some responsibility for his mistakes, this wouldn't be sitting so terribly with everyone.

For the record, that's a Russell Wilson move. That's a Brady move. Well, that's just a leader move because you're not perfect and no one is. So, I mean, that's basic in any business. If you're going to point out the flaws of someone else, take the bigger bullet and then also let everyone know where you can get better. And the story dies. you know, firing away at all the things that everyone else is doing wrong when you threw an interception at the end of the game to blow it.

Like take responsibility for it. But this doesn't surprise me with the Steelers. The Steelers are always loud. They were loud before the season even started. The only thing about the Steelers that makes it just seems like it sticks out is they've been winning. Because you remember at the beginning of the season, it was a full-on panic. Steelers aren't going to make the Super Bowl. Well, we were also.

We were blaming Lavian Bell. Everyone was blaming Lavin'Bell and Bell. And And And Donio Brown. We were blaming Lavian, Bell, and Brown for all the noise. Lavian's gone. Brown's been quiet, and they still remain the noisiest team in the league. This does start with Ben, though, because Ben is the reason that Todd Haley isn't there. You remember Ben's been talking for years now.

I'm going to retire and, you know, blaming the coaches for the play calls. So this really is on Ben, but this is who the Steelers are. They're a loud team. That's what it is. Speaking of quarterback talking, Baker Mayfield, still has no regrets about criticizing his former coach Hugh Jackson or calling him fake in an Instagram post. And yesterday he elaborated on what he meant by calling Hugh Jackson fake. There's just things that happen inside the building that I'm not going to get into detail with.

It's in-house information. It doesn't matter. We've moved on. We have our coach right now. We have our play caller. And we're having success. So we need to focus on that. I get it. But I don't have to go in details.

That's just how it works. I'm not shocked that there's more to that story. This is what happened. Again, this story now is lingering for five days. Yes, it is lingering for five days. And Baker could have put an end to it by just not saying anything. And when they go get boxed. They're going to get blown out by Houston Sunday.

And is it because this is the story? When they go to Houston. No, they're not going to get blown out by Houston because who Jackson and Baker have beef. They're going to get blown out by Houston because Houston is a better team who has better players. All right. He won eight games in a row. Seems a lot of distraction on this story. The Browns all of a sudden this team is heading to the playoffs and the Super Bowl contenders

or something. He won the very prestigious AFC offensive rookie of the month. It's very prestigious, Baker did. So, I mean, you know, he's got all the answers. If Sam Darnold would have won that, we would have led the show with it.

Well, Sam Darnold is going to be better over 12 years. So, of course, yes. Look, I don't have a problem with this. I get what you're saying overall about this could have easily been squashed and put behind him. But it was news. Like, he didn't acknowledge Hugh Jackson. he was going to be asked about it,

and he feels like he was misrepresented in the situation. He's supposed to take one for Hugh Jackson. He doesn't owe you anything, just like Hugh didn't know him anything when he went around talking about what happened. I'm okay with it. Finally, Steve Kerr has announced Steph Curry will return to the court on Saturday

against the Pistons in Detroit. They went 10 and 2 with Steph, and they are 5 and 5 without him. This could dowels the fire surrounding the Warriors Raptor game tonight. Where's that game at? Is that in the Bay or is that in It's in Toronto.

It's in Toronto. It's in We the North. It's in Toronto. That'll be, well, nobody's going to watch it because the NFL. This could be a finals preview. Yeah, I don't think. I don't buy into Toronto. Still?

I just, listen, Canada, I love Canada. Is it just because they're in Canada? Yeah, Canada's just nice. Are you just being American? You know, Canadians are nice and they're wonderful people. And they're the world's best neighbors. Wouldn't you like to be, if you could live next to any country, you're like, I'd like to live next to

Canada. They're so nice. But I don't trust them in sports. In the United States of America. In Canada, is our neighbor, yes. I don't trust the... There are Americans that play on that team. I just don't trust we the North. The last few years, I'm with you, but LeBron was in the east then, and they weren't going

to get past LeBron. It's a different team, and they have Kauai now. But anyway, Steph Curry is back, and he will see the court on Saturday, just coming at a good time. Jaman is not back yet, but we'll see that kind of a kind of effect of test. though, is that Canadians are so nice. That's why Americans were kind of outraged when Trump picked on Canada. It's like, how can you pick on the nicest people in the world?

It's like the media never called out the Raptors for getting swept. It was pathetic. We'd have called out any other good team for getting swept. But when literally the Raptors got swept by LeBron, it's like, LeBron's really good. The baby dinosaurs did the best they could. They're so nice that we feel guilty criticizing anything from Canada. They're such wonderful people.

I spent a week there this summer. It could be the nicest week of my life. I mean, I was very critical of Toronto. It's embarrassing. Because people are very high on them. I mean, they're the best regular season team. They should not get swept. So I wouldn't put myself in that category.

But I'm also nice to all of America's neighbors. I thought it was pathetic. I thought they were pathetic last year. In the playoffs against, yes. They should have had a better performance in that. But I am erasing my memory of the Raptors in the postseason from the past few years. This is a new team. They have Kauai. LeBron is not in the east.

And Boston is not looking great right now. I'm going to be an ugly American. Toronto. Do better. We're weak, soft. How's that? We'll see. Joy of the news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. So speaking of drama, we're talking about Baker and Big Ben and, you know, let's talk about Aaron Rogers here. Yesterday, people are starting to now, for years and years, Joy is new on the show, right? But for years and years at the old place and at FS1 and Fox Sports, I've been the one national voice that has been critical of Aaron Rogers. He didn't like me.

He's told people he didn't like me. That's okay. He's still great, right? But I'm driving into work now. I've been driving into work for the last four days. and for the first time in a decade, I'm hearing this. You know, by radio hosts, by TV hosts,

first time in a decade. I've been on this for five years. Got a lot of heat for it. First time in a decade, this week, four days. Heard at the game this morning. Isn't some of this Aaron Rogers' fault? Why does everybody else get blamed? It's turning.

The narrative is turned. By the way, this is what you did with Westbrook forever. I get no pushback on Westbrook anymore. People have come to realize Westbrook's hard to play with. Coaches, stars, teammates, Victorola Depot got better, Durant got better, Hardin got better.

I don't get any pushback on Westbrook anymore. People have said, by the way, I don't get a lot of pushback on Aaron Rogers. In the last two weeks, I don't get a lot of pushback. People are like, he's difficult. So yesterday, there was an article written about him, and the article says, The Packers' quarterbacks completed only 62% of his passes, which rank as the second lowest of his career.

He's missed his target on 21% of his attempts, which is above the NFL average. He is missing throws he usually makes. Now, people are saying his mechanics are bad. Here's what Aaron Rogers said to that. I don't think I need to respond about fundamentals. I mean, I drill the fundamentals. I throw, I throw. I played.

You know, I'm not playing any different this year. just were not completing as many passes percentage as well i listened to my quarterback coach and my offense coordinator my head coach and i study myself you know i'm very critical of my own film and i'm not playing indifferently fundamentalized so you can't have it both ways you can't love it when it's a certain way and then critique it when it's the other way well we can actually but here's the thing what is aaron rogers right now Tom Brady's the goat. Drew Brees is going to be the MVP.

Patrick Mahomes is the next big thing. And Andrew Lux's absolutely the comeback player of the year. Last eight stories on Aaron Rogers? Negative. Coach, Aaron, Aaron, coach, GM, Ty Montgomery. What is he? He's not the next big thing. He's no longer the goat.

He is not the MVP. He's not the comeback player of the year. He's not Big Ben leading age. unbelievably gifted offense to potentially a number one seat. What is he? What he is now is expensive, difficult with a great arm. Do you realize since that dazzling throw to Jared Cook to beat the Dallas Cowboys, remember that play amazing? It was. All hail Caesar. Since this remarkable play that resulted it in a win. Green Bay is 11, 16, and 1. That's it. They're 11, 16, and 1, and 3 and 12 on the road. With the mind is 90 point differential. Now, I want you to think about this. If I said to you,

great arm, but doesn't win enough, questionable mechanics, that's Matt Stafford. Today, this morning, this year, Aaron Rogers is closer to Matt Stafford than Drew Breeze. And forget Tom Brady. The trophy case is too large. He's 11, 16 and 1 since that, the Packers are. They're 3 and 12 in the road and a minus 90 point differential. And for the first time, and I've been doing this for 30 years, the last 10, for the first time this week, I turn on the radio and the Golden Boy, the gifted one.

The narrative is changing. Goat? No. MVP? No. Next great thing. No. Difficult, expensive with a really great arm. That's what it's becoming. Some of it's on him. Westbrook. A lot of it's on him. Doesn't happen to all NBA players. Keeps happening to Westbrook. People get better when they leave him. keeps happening to Aaron Rogers. Brothers calling him out. Teammates calling him out. McCarthy telling people close to him, calling him out.

11, 16 and 1 is what Green Bay is since that dazzling play. That's it. Coming up next. We got some NBA stuff. The Westbrook, the LeBron. The Sixers now with Jimmy Butler. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, it's working.

It's working big. Chris Broussard next. All right, is my guy. Chris Brousard has a new radio show that's laugh out loud funny. Chris Broussard, Rob Parker, The Odd Couple, Fox Sports Radio, 7 at n p.m. I listen to when I'm driving around at night. We appreciate that, man. Very funny. You guys do great job.

I mean, Rob Parker, anybody that can spend three hours with Rob Parker, it's not easy. It's not easy. That's great. So I want to start with something. So I said this yesterday. I have been told by two people I trust in the NBA. Kauai Leonard is not going to the Lakers.

So Laker fans, get over it. He's not coming. If he comes west, he's going to the Clippers. You were at the Clipper game last night. Before you went on the show here, you had an interesting evaluation of what's happening to the Clippers right now. They're number one in the West. I was saying the Clippers this whole season, certainly thus far,

it's one big recruitment. That's what it is. If you're a free agent, whether it's Kauai Leonard or Kevin Durant or any superstar watching that team, you're saying I love their depths, I love how hard they play, I love their unselfishness, And they don't have a star.

Tobias Harris is a B-plus guy. Yeah, he's emerging. I mean, if they keep winning like this, maybe they would, I don't know if they put him on the all-star team or what, but he's emerging. Yeah. But if you're Kawhi Leonard and you look at that and you say, man, you put me in there, and I believe it, you put a star in there,

they could be similar to a Toronto. Yes. What Toronto is right now. And then you've got the young kid, Shea Gilges, Alexander, who's, you know, emerging. He's a pretty good player. So, Doc Rivers, look, I was critical of him with the big three, CP3, Blake Griffin, DeAndre. He didn't maximize them.

But these last two years, he's been great. Let's talk about LeBron. Story comes out yesterday with Westbrook and LeBron. Let's start with LeBron, that LeBron is now not listening to Luke Walton and just basically, I'm going to run the show. Your response. This is nothing new. I mean, superstars, do you know how much Kobe Bryant broke the triangle? I heard a story where someone asked Michael Jordan.

I won't give all the teams, but it was, you know, when Phil Jackson was on his way to the Knicks and people wanted to know, what's this triangle about? What is this? And they asked Michael Jordan, friends of his. And he said, Mike, tell us about the triangle. And Jordan said, I am the triangle. I mean, superstars, I once had an assistant GM in the league tell me,

look, your system, whatever? your system is, Princeton, you know, motion, triangle, whatever your system is, it's really there to get the role players out of the way and give them something to do so they don't get in the way of the superstars. Now, that's obviously an overstatement, but that superstars have always had that leeway. So this is one of the things that you and I kind of disagreed on. You've always said your game is your game. And you said LeBron is going to need to be a little submissive here and change.

And my takeaway is, it'd be like asking me, all right, Colin, now you're going to be a tandem show. You and Gottlie for three hours. I'd be pushing gut. You're right, though. You're right. This is what every LeBron team has become, fellas. You're right. Set up for your jumpers.

I'm going to control things. I was just talking to a scout on my way in here. And he said, look, you know what I say about the Lakers? They're better with LeBron on the ball. I know he's talked about he wanted to be off the ball. This might sound ridiculous. He's not LeBron off the ball. He doesn't really know how to play that well off the ball.

He's not who he is. No. I mean, he's never played that way. And, you know, he'll make his nice passes from the elbow and things like that sometimes off the ball. But generally, he's standing around and, you know, just consistently, he's not great off the ball. He's better with the ball in his hands.

That's right. I mean, Rondo and Lonzo, I mean, you can, I make the argument, you could move both those guys and get pieces back. But this Laker team, every LeBron team comes down to, he's a force of nature, surrounding him with shooters, a Badiere, a Ray Allen, Kevin Love, a Kyrie Irving, a Kyle Corver, a J.R. What the Lakers need to be is shooters, more LeBron with the ball and more shooters. Here's the challenge. You know, LeBron, and I've asked him this question directly over the years. he has never wanted to commit to being a full-time point guard. He doesn't want to do it.

I think some of it wears him out because obviously he's much bigger than the guys, you know, the other point guards and playing at that pace and playing the whole 94 feet like that. I think it can wear him down. I think that was a problem in Denver. He was worn out by having played point guard so much. So that's the challenge. And it presents a challenge for the team because you don't really know when,

okay, is LeBron the point guard now? is he off the ball? And that's all part of the adjustment to playing with him. Rob and I on the eye cup, we had Boobie Gibson on, who was a teammate with LeBron and Cleveland. And he said, look, when you play with LeBron, you kind of have to just sacrifice all your individual stats. And because he's so good,

the best way for the team to win is everybody to play off him. And you have to be willing to make that individual sacrifice because it's going to be for the betterment of the team. Dwayne Wade did it. Chris Bosch did it and they got two rings. Kyrie didn't want to do it and he left. So that's the challenge and that's part of this whole adjustment period for the Lakers and LeBron.

Okay, you've got some interesting stuff. I was a big believer in the Jimmy Butler to the Sixers move. I don't want to hear about your, Joy and I talk about. I don't want to hear about your prospects. I don't hear about your draft picks. I don't hear about that. Give me players. Give me men.

I like Jimmy Butler to the Sixers. But, and you've been on the forefront of this, Butler Simmons and Ambide, dude, that John Belai is a little toxic, a little spicy. I'm with you. I think it was a good move. They're in a honeymoon period right now. They're six and two so far. Because they like each other now. Right.

And Butler has deferred both on the court. He's playing great, but, you know, he's not shooting a ton and off the court. All right. The question that some around Philly are wondering is when is Jimmy going to assert his leadership? Because as great as they are, Joelle M.B. and Ben Simmons, they don't work that hard. They don't. Now, they're not soft like the guys in Minnesota. That's what rubbed Jimmy the wrong way with them.

He thought they were soft and they didn't work that hard. These guys aren't soft, but they don't work hard. M.B. doesn't like practicing. He's left shoot-arounds early, practices early. And Brett Brown doesn't. doesn't control him. Like, M.B. does what he wants.

And Jimmy's just watching it, observing it. Jimmy works his butt off. Jimmy's been there at the gym at 7 a.m. on game days, running, working. Like, he works hard. That's how he became what he is. And so people are wondering, is he, how long is he going to keep his mouth shut? They are in the honeymoon period. Right.

Now, he's smart. I think he'll keep his mouth shut until he signs that five-year, $190 million contract. that Phillies basically wink wink, we're going to give it to you. And then he'll probably become the leader of that team. And hopefully these guys will learn from him. Because you know, I don't know how many times I've been on here saying I love Simmons. I love Embed. They could be Kareem Magic.

They could be Shaq Kobe or Shaq Penny. But they have to work hard. And they don't. And so hopefully they'll learn from Jimmy Butler's work ethic. I'm not even going to go into Westbrook. I'm not. Go ahead. No, no, no, no, no, you know what?

They're playing ball. They're balling. What's the Curtis has? There's a negative story on Westbrook today. I'm going to show that journalism is the key to this show. I'm going to stay away from the Westbrook story. I'm not going to bang on him. Look, Oklahoma City's looking pretty good.

No, whatevs. We'll go to this story. I got a minute and a half. Curry's back tonight. 10 and two with him, five and five without him. We're back Saturday. That's not a good look for Durant. No.

Like we all get that. Once again, I don't want to hear at the end of the year when Durant wins MVP of the finals. He's better than LeBron. They're five and five with Kevin Durant, Draymond Green, and Clay Thompson. Look, Durant is spectacular. But the most important player on this team, the engine that makes them cook is Steph Curry. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. You saw it against Houston last year.

When they got tempted and tricked into playing ISO ball and Durant fell for Houston's switches and all that and went one-on-one, they're beatable. That's why they almost lost that series. And Durant's great. But they are better with the ball movement, the player movement. Steph's constant motion, and that throws defenses out of whack. You've got to respect him out to 35 feet. He's the main cog of that team, period.

And I'm tell you what, because I think Durant's leaving. I'm excited if he wants to stay fine, but I'm excited to see them without KD. I want to see if they can recapture that magic that they had before him. Yeah, I'm going to believe that when I see it. You don't think they can? No, I don't believe he'll leave. Kevin Durant's leaving. I'm going to believe it when I see it.

Well, the question is, where is he going? You think he's going to the Lakers. You know that. It's not going to Utah. I didn't say he was going to the Lakers. Chris Broussard is the Hurt. The Hurt, sponsored by Draft Kings, play free tonight. Chance to win a million bucks in prizes.

This is the Hurt. Hour number two, wherever you may be in however you have. may be listening live in Los Angeles, I Heart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Joy Taylor is joining me in five minutes, Greg CoSell, which is the best 10, 12 minutes we do all week on film study. Why do teams do this? Why don't teams do that?

Joy, it's great to have you in our number two. It's raining in Los Angeles. It is raining. It's raining in Los Angeles. It's going to rain all day, too. Oh, it is? It's supposed to. This is a big deal.

I know everyone else around the country is like, why are you telling us it's raining? We have perfect weather. It never rains here. All but about three days a year. Yes. So today is one of those imperfect days, but we could use it. The rain. So tonight, I love these Thursday games.

About two years ago, everybody started complaining about Thursday games. And my takeaway was, why? People don't like change. They're great. I mean, I got Carolina Pittsburgh. I've had Minnesota Rams. And now I got Cowboys Saints. Who do we get last week?

That was really good? I mean, aren't we getting good games every weekend here? So tonight I get, it's a great game. Best team in the league, the Saints, against if Dallas wins, it looks like they're going to be really having an advantage to be a playoff team, so I'm all fired up. But here's what's interesting. Here's what Vegas thinks about them.

So the over under on the game is 51.5. The spread is 7. So Vegas has the Saints winning 30 to 22. Vegas thinks it's going to be 30 to 23, 30 to 22 in that ballpark. Touchdown win for the Saints at Dallas. one of the guys, there's three or four guys in the country that when it comes to like sports gambling and sports lines and I really pay attention to, Steve Fezick works at pregame.com. I met him once, don't really know him, but he's very, he has a power ranking. It's the first thing I look at every week when it comes out.

He has a Dallas Cowboys. He's very accurate, tied for 14th in the NFL with Green Bay, who's four, six, and one. And everybody complains that Green Bay has no players except Aaron Rogers. We know Dallas has a bunch of really good football players. Tyron Smith, Zeke, Amari Cooper, that front seven, Lawrence, two of the linebackers, Jalen Smith, Sean Lee's coming back, Layton Van der Wesch. We know Dallas has all bunch players. And Dallas is tied with Green Bay, according to a guy who for a living Betts Pro football.

And here's what's amazing. So Vegas tonight, if this game was in New Orleans, New Orleans, the way lines work, would be a 13-point favorite at home. Not even Atlanta would be that big of an underdog going to New Orleans. So the Cowboys have defensively rush defense, points allowed, total defense, top 10, top five in the NFL, one of the best left tackles in football, one of the best running backs in football, one of the best front sevens, one of the best lyingbacking course. They do a ton right.

That tells you what Vegas thinks about DAC is what I take from it. They don't trust him much. Elite defense, top two running game at home, just acquired a number one, wide receiver, tremendous front seven defense. Yeah, we think it's going to be a home team needs a touchdown. That's, that's, that's tells you kind of what Vegas anyway thinks of the Cowboys. They think they're average. Vegas thinks they're average. And with that, we go to one of my favorite 10, 12 minutes of the week, Greg Kosell, 30 plus years NFL films. Let's let's talk about the other Texas team for a second. They just played on Monday night the huge.

Houston Texans. Deshawn Watson, a little bit of an enigma, Greg, coming out of college. I liked him, but, you know, he made Clemson a good program better. He's now in an eight-game winning streak, and this has been a good roster for years. He's clearly taken the roster to a different spot. What does the film say on Deshawn Watson? What's he doing better this year? Well, I think, first of all, you have to look at the way they've chosen to play over the last six games. He has not had more than 25 pass attempts, Colin, in any of the last six games. They've dialed back his dropbacks, which is smart. First of all, their offensive line is below average. Yeah. That's clear on tape. Secondly, Watson is still developing as a refined pocket quarterback.

He's not at the point in his career where he can help camouflage and compensate for all-line issues. So you need to dial back his dropbacks, and that's what they've done. And they've run the ball more and well, and they're playing to their defense. Now, Watson still has the ability, obviously, to make improvisational second reaction plays, and I think he's a good throw over the football. But I think they understand that given where their O line is and given where he is in his development, that they needed to cut down the number of times he dropped back. Yeah, I find him really interesting to watch.

I think he's fun. I think he's cagey. And to your point, he's a good thrower of the football when he's got guys. When he's got guys open, he hits him, but he is a developing quarterback, and to your point, the Texans see him as a developing quarterback. Now, here's a guy who's more developed, Andrew Luck, was great and then gets beat up, and we don't know what we're getting this year. I love the Colts.

They're very tight-end centric. I think just what my eyes tell me, he maybe not the most accurate thrower of the football. He'll lead guys too much. He'll overthrow guys. He's not the most accurate guy like Drew Breeze. But I got to tell you, he's a tour-de-force. of everything, the pre-snap. I just watch this guy, Greg, and I think he's incredible.

And I've been saying this for eight years. Anything on tape jump this year? Oh, well, I've always thought Andrew Luck was a really good player. And, you know, beginning with when he came out. But I think you just have to look really at the tying touchdown. He threw this past week, Colin. I mean, that was a big-time throw. And it speaks to one thing that I've always believed in when you evaluate quarterbacks.

I think at the NFL level, you need to be aggressive as a passer. Now, there's always a balance. Obviously, game situations dictate nature of throws. But I think if you're going to reach the highest level, and that's what we're talking about, then I think there are just times when you need to really turn it loose and be aggressive. And I think that touchdown he threw to Ebron for 12 yards that tied it up late in that game is a great example of that. That was a really difficult red zone throw. And you've got to make those.

kinds of throws in the NFL. And I think he's always had that in his DNA. It's the reason every once in a while he'll throw some picks. But I think that as you gain more experience, I think you work through that. I think that's really in a quarterback's DNA. It's sort of inherent. It's very difficult to say to guys, hey, you've got to turn it loose. And I think that's one trait that he's always had. Lamar Jackson's better than I thought. The question with running quarterbacks is sustainability. There's a lot of things in this country we fall for. RG3, I had pushback his rookie year. I said, okay, he won rookie of the year, but I'm not sure this style with his body type is sustainable. Tim Tebow had a winning streak, and I said, yeah, Matt Prater's a great kicker

and their defense is keeping him in games. I don't think Tebow's winning streak is sustainable. What do you see on film from Lamar? Well, there's a macro element. You have to decide how you feel about the quarterback position in the NFL. Can you be a high-level quarterback? And don't forget, they trade it up to get him in the first round. Can you be a high-level quarterback if you're not a consistent throw over the football from the pocket? Now, I think, and again, he's only started two games. So this is not, we're not discussing his career as a whole here, but the question is, can you be? And I'm sure there are people who now believe that, hey, you don't have to be that with the influence of the college

game in the NFL. But if you believe, as I do, you. that you still have to be able to make throws from the pocket in the NFL to be a really high-level quarterback, then I'm not sure that the nature of that offense right now is sustainable, unless he continues to significantly improve, and that's where the ball placement issue comes into play. He's going to have to get better at that. Let's shift to Baker Mayfield. I said he's too accurate a thrower to be a bust. I never said he'll be a way better version of Case Keenham, but that's what he is. I don't think he's Breeze.

I don't think he's Russell Wilson. Now, he's had like a three-week stretch. How much of that stretch is Atlanta, Cincinnati, Kansas City defense, which are dreadful? By the way, he seems better now that Hugh Jackson and Todd Haley are gone. What's happened in the last month to elevate his play? Well, we can agree to disagree on that, Colin, because I think that actually, that Maker Mayfield is going to be a very, very good quarterback. First of all, he has a really good field vision. and that's something that's very rare for a young player.

He sees things extremely well, and there's something he does that very few young quarterbacks do. He has a great natural feel for two things, for moving and manipulating the defense and zone coverage, and number two, for eliminating what's not there very quickly within the timing of the play, and then getting to what is there. And those are two things that you rarely ever see from young quarterbacks, and he's very, very refined at that for a first-year player. In the last three weeks, why has he jumped up? Because since Haley left and since Hugh left, his numbers are better.

Well, I think they've been just watching the tape. I think what they've done is they've done a lot more of rhythm stuff, which is essentially what he is. Yes, does he have the ability to move? Sure he does. But at his core, he's a twitchy kid who with a very quick drop and set, quick compact delivery, and you want him to play in rhythm. He's very, very accurate with the football.

So I think they've done a lot more of that, and he's been very effective. Tom Brady's numbers are not spectacular this year. No. In a world where everything's a fireworks show, his numbers have been very mundane, very average. Now, they do have with Sony Michelle and James White a really nice tandem at running back. Maybe one of their better running back tandums. You know, is that why the numbers are down? Are they becoming more run-reliant?

What do you see? Michelle, when he's healthy, he's carried the ball over 20 times in three games, I think 18 times in another game. Last week, they rushed for over 200 yards for the first time since 2014. And it'll be very interesting this week in that game against Minnesota, where Minnesota has a very good run defense among the top five in the league. But this is an offense that I think has sort of transitioned a little bit. You never know with Bill Belichick. But I don't think that Brady is at the stage or their offenses at the stage where they're going to come out, spread it out, and have Brady drop back 45 times against that defense.

I think they're past that point. I don't think they can be that effective, as effective as they used to be doing that. I think they're going to continue to stay with the run game. Yeah. And by the way, I like Michelle and I like James White. So it's a good time to do it. They have good personnel back. And Brex Burkhead.

So they got guys. Yeah, I would agree with you. So, Dak Prescott, the Amari Cooper trade. His numbers have gone up. Is it mostly Amari? Well, you know, I think that Cooper helps because Cooper can win one-on-one, and it certainly helps when you throw 10-yard passes and he takes it to the house. But at their core, the Cowboys are an old-school offense.

And again, now, tonight's game is going to be the poster child for people's worldview of the NFL, and it's going to be one sample, not large enough to make any definitive opinion, but people will, because what you're going to do is you have an old-school offense. They're a run-game foundation with a high-level back. We know that. they're an execution run game. So it's not a lot of misdirection, deception, you know, it's not jet sweep. It's basically let's line up and run the ball with a really good back.

And it's a very basic pass game that by NFL standards is somewhat remedial and elementary. And when you have really good players, that can work to some degree. But that's what their offense is. And they play to their defense and they play to their run game. And that's, so the question is, can their defense be good enough to hold the highest scoring team in the league, let's say under 30, which the Cowboys have not given up in any game, and can their offense put up enough points if they don't get, you know, 20-yard passes that become 90-yard touchdowns.

Yeah, I like New Orleans tonight by about 10. Before I get to the play of the night, I thought one of the really interesting games last week that was under the radar, and I thought it was a really impressive win. Seattle coming back to beat Carolina, Russell Wilson, a couple of dimes late in the game. You know I like Russell more than most people, and I don't like Cam as much as most people. What did you think about the quarterback matchup, Cam and Russell, last weekend? I thought actually they both played really well. I thought Cam Newton played very well.

It might have been his best game of the season, but that's lost because they lost. But I think Russell Wilson, it was a continuation of the way he's playing this year. Not a lot of running. He's playing more from the pocket. And I think he's been far more efficient. They still want to run the ball. I guess he can run at times when he feels the need to, but he's not doing that anywhere near as much.

And therefore, their offense is playing far more. more within rhythm. It's more consistent that way. It's more stable that way. And as we've probably discussed before, I think Mike Solari, their O-line coach of the year. I mean, he's doing an unbelievable job. It's the exact, for the most part, a lot

of the same group that they had in previous years, and they're playing very, very well. Yeah, they really are. Carson's been a really good running back, too. He's a He's a grinder. He fits what Pete Carroll wants. He's not spectacular. You know, there's nothing special about him, but he is a grinder. And if

If it's blocked for three, he gets six, and that's the way you want your running game to be as a sustaining run game. All right. Finally, your play of the night, your play of the week is the Saints, and they go to Dallas tonight. So let's talk a little Saints. Yeah, let's start just by talking Saints a little bit. And the reason I chose this play is because this to me is such a great example of game planning against your opponent. Now, obviously, they played the Falcons last week. They know the Falcons very well.

Everybody knows what Dan Quinn does and the nature of his defense and how he plays his foundational cover three. So let's start running the play right now, and we can see this was a touchdown to Tommy Lee Lewis, another free agent, by the way. But what was so great about this play was they understood the defense. So what you have is a three-by-one set, meaning three receivers to one side with Tommy Lee Lewis in the inside slot and Michael Thomas, the single receiver to the boundary. Here's the cover three look. Everybody knows that's what the Falcons do as their foundation. So Tommy Lee Lewis is going to run kind of what we call a deep over route. He's going to cross the field.

Michael Thomas will run an out route as the single receiver. The key player here is Devandre Campbell, the linebacker, because he normally has to run now with Tommy Lee Lewis. That's the way Dan Quinn does it. So what they do is they go play action in the backfield. They hold him. So his eyes are in the backfield. He's not in position to run with Tommy Lee Lewis,

who's going to end up in the deep third of Robert Alford. But Robert Alford has to stay where he is because of Michael Thomas. So you get Tommy Lee Lewis clean on the deep over route, and it's all done because they understood. A great game plan play, a great game. Yeah, and it is also what veteran quarterbacks often have an edge over young quarterbacks, seeing the play before the snap. Oh, Drew Brees knew what he had.

The whole design of this play, he knew that unless something dramatic happened, which it wasn't going to, he knew that Tommy Lee Lewis would be open on the deep over route. Greg CoSell, plus 30 years in the NFL films business. Thanks, man. Appreciate it, Colin. Thank you. Great stuff. Daryl Moose Johnson and the Cowboys before the end of this hour. T.J. Hushman Zada last hour. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays and noon Eastern Eastern. Thursday night football returns tonight with two of the biggest teams in the league as Ezekiel Elliott, Dak Prescott and the Cowboys take on Drew Brees, Michael Thomas, and the Saints.

It all starts at 730 Eastern on Fox NFL Network and streaming on Prime Video. For the record, you know, Baker won Baker Mayfield won offensive player, rookie offensive player, not offensive player, rookie offensive player of the month. It's whatever. I don't blame Cleveland fans. I mean, Cleveland outside of LeBron's a whole. I mean, Brown's been embarrassing. Indians have never won a title.

I mean, it's, you know, the Cavaliers were a joke without LeBron. I don't blame Cleveland for going Gagall. over Baker-Mayfield. I get it. Like they've whiffed in the last 20 quarterbacks. I totally get it, right? Their weather's not good. They're not glamorous.

Rockefeller left, Steinbrenner left. LeBron Leaves twice. I get it. They're a low self-esteem sports city. I get it. And they're just loving this whole Baker thing. I get it. And he's been,

colonies better than you thought. Well, I mean, right now, he didn't start the year, and they haven't played their last five games, which were a lot of road games against better defenses. If he scales back, he is two years older than all the other rookie quarterbacks with twice as many college starts. My feeling was always he's going to be better sooner than everybody else. But I don't think over 12 years he's got the personality I want running my franchise.

But he is two years older, double the college starts. There's no question right now. He's more refined. He's played more of this game called football. He stayed in college all five years if he count the transfers. Here's what I don't like, though. He's a rookie NFL quarterback not through his. first year. And he continues, he's got three different coaches he's already called out.

So he called out Todd Haley this week, his first coordinator. Here we go. And what it comes down to is we still have the same players. That's what I said when everything was happening. We just had to play better. You know what? You can put your own spin on it, but we have the same players. Yeah, we have people that we believe in calling the plays now. didn't have to really go there. So he called out his first NFL coordinator. And three times this week, he's called out his first NFL head coach. Here's one of the quotes.

I didn't lose 30 plus games. I wasn't fake. I wasn't going to have a scholarship in college. Don't compare the two. Good try, though. So now he's called out his first NFL coach. Didn't have to go there. He's called out his first NFL coordinator.

And oh, by the way, his first college. college coach, Cliff Kingsbury. He called him out too. Once he came to the program, got hurt. He felt he was ignored by Kingsbury. I went from being the guy for Coach Kingsbury. And then when I got hurt, it just changed a little bit. Not a little bit a lot. All of a sudden, it was as if I hadn't played for him, hadn't done anything for him. It was just different after I got hurt. I've invested a lot into this. And now you're telling me that you don't have a scholarship for a guy that won you five games after choosing. to come here. That was the final straw for me.

Again, there's no reason to go here three times. All I'm saying now, this stuff's all on his resume. And one of the reasons I said, I'm all about when you draft a quarterback number one, I loved Carson Wentz. I like to Sean Watson. You know, I loved Andrew Luck. You know, I'm pretty good on the quarterback thing. One of the things I said is, you know, he's older. He's not going to fail completely. He's too active. but is this 12 years of this stuff?

Because even people who are more talented, Cam, Rogers, and Big Ben are so dramatic, those are the three most dramatic quarterbacks in the league. Baker, who's not nearly as talented is Cam, Big Ben, and Rogers. Noise overtime wears people out. This dude's not through his rookie year. He's called out his first college coach. He's called out his first NFL coach. He's called out his first NFL coordinator.

It's all on his resume now. I mean, this is his brand. Like he rips coaches. Well, in fairness, aren't all three of them fired? By the way, you could go, there's a lot of coaches been fired that Brady's worked for. McDaniels was a disaster. Bill O'Brien has not been a home run. Charlie Weiss was a disaster.

I'm not saying that like, all I'm saying is it's, you know, Baker had an issue with them and they have all been fired. I'm not saying that there's a correlation to do, but it's not like he's calling out Bill Belichick or. No, but he's a rookie quarterback halfway through his starts. Do you really got to put this on your resume? I mean, I for one. By the way, Andrew Luck, his coach got fired. You'll never. No, but Angela doesn't say anything.

He's got a flip phone. Probably wears Velcro shoes. You know what? Simplify everything. I may buy Velcro shoes if that's what it takes. I'm actually for that, Steve Jobs style. Yeah. I'm shocked that there's dysfunctioning.

Would you want your quarterback taking shots constantly at coaches? No, I don't think it's necessary. to take shots constantly at coaches. But I think Hugh Jackson and Todd Haley just got fired. That Kingsbury thing is old. It's just being brought up now because you're using it as an example. He rips people all the time. But it's still, if you rip people, it goes on your resume.

If I was ripping all my bosses, then people could go back and say, oh, it's not the first time. Colin seven years ago. He clearly does this whenever he is cross. He's going to talk about what happened. But so did Hugh Jackson. Hugh Jackson's not my franchise quarterback. I just don't want my franchise quarterback being dramatic.

Cam is, he's underachieved. Aaron Rogers, 11, 16, and 1. Ben, they've underachieved. I think football's hard. I think when you add... But did you think that Baker was going to come into the league and be different than Baker is? I didn't think it'd be this bad. I mean, by the way, Hugh came on the set.

He wouldn't say a bad word about him. Wouldn't say a bad word about it. And when Hugh was on the set, Baker hadn't been great. Went above, didn't rip him, tried to be a nice guy. I'm not into this stuff. You know, everybody always says be authentic. Nobody really wants authenticity. People say they want it until your boyfriend tells you what he really thinks about the dress

or your wife really tells you what she thinks about your haircut. People say they want authenticity. They don't really want. People want to hear what they want to hear. Well, I like this business and we like stories. So please be authentic. All right. By the way, a shop lows black Friday deals continue 40% off.

Applant special values offer valid to today. US only, Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Oh, the Giants, the 3 and 8, they have a minuscule chance to make the postseason. They have a 38-year-old quarterback. And now S&Y is reporting that the Giants have, quote, absolutely not decided.

They are moving on from Eli Manning following the 2018 season. So when Pat Schumer was asked yesterday about the importance of getting the teams, young players some game experience, he had this to say. Oh, boy. You've got to think of some other questions. My goodness. You go every week with giving your team the best opportunity to win the football game each week. Each week, that's how you do this thing. This isn't player tryout. This is do everything in your power to win the next game. Is it though? Not if you're thinking long-term, Pat. That's not how it works. God, it's just, it's amazing.

New York sports teams are a mess. They're all a mess. The Jets have no players on offense. The Giants are dealing with this. The Mets underachieve. The Knicks have James Dolan. I mean, God, what outside of the Yankees, young players, and now they're not as good as their rival, Boston,

this seems like to me, I go back to this. I think, are the giants petrified to get ripped in the media? Because they're such a blue blood, Michigan football, IBM program. they're not comfortable with all this negative. The Jets were the circus for 30 years. Right. And the Giants were like above it all. Now the giants are the circus.

It's amazing. Like what numbers do you need to validate the argument to draft a quarterback? I really truly don't know. And at this point in the season, like last year, I did not think that they should bench Eli Manning. I didn't. Let me ask you this. If Eli Manning played for the Rams right now. Right.

Would they get rid of him? Yes. Yes. Why? Because he's not very good. Is New York just keeping him because it's like they're afraid after the two Super Bowls, they'll tick off their 55-year-old fan? No, I don't think, I mean, I'd have to imagine that these fans that you're speaking of

are ready to move on from Eli. I mean, what are you holding on to? That's no disrespect. Everyone eventually has to retire from football. Like, this is the end. You have to draft the quarterback. I liked Andy Rooney on 60 minutes, but you hit 80. I can't understand that it's time to move off Andy Rooney.

Like there's a lot of people I like, but I move off them. I mean, it's just time. So we talked yesterday about the reports of Cliff Kingsbury's phone ringing off the hook with NFL interest. Yes. He said, he may go in a different direction. You had a soft scoop, if you will. I think in 48 hours, he will announce he is the offensive coordinator at USC. No sourcing, just what I believe.

Is your gut feeling? Gut feeling. It's small J journalism. I think if he makes that move with, out a guarantee of being the head coach in the next year, I think it's a lateral move. I think if you've an opportunity to move up to the NFL after being a head, your last title was a head coach, and now you have an opportunity to move up to the NFL if you move to an offensive coordinator position, even if it is at USC, it's not a lateral move if you don't

have the opportunity to be a head coach. But anyway, one of Kingsbury's former players, not Baker Mayfield, Patrick Mahomes, thinks there's a good reason for all the NFL interests. I haven't talked to him at all about where he's thinking about going or where he's about ending up, but I know if he was, if he did come to NFL, he has the work ethic and he has the mind and he has the innovativeness, I guess you would say, if that's a word, to be in this league. So whatever he does, I know he'll have success doing it. I mean, I'm close to Coach Kingsbury. He's, he really helped my game and helped me as a person a lot. He's a genuine

good person at the same time, very, very smart football coach. You're talking all the time about how Sean McVeigh is going to get a lot of people fired. And I think he's also going to get a lot of people hired as well. And you're talking about Matt Nagy and Kyle Shanahan. Like, offensive minds are in high demand in this NFL. No, I mean, Kingsbury looks like McVe. He's kind of the hip, young guy. Little facial scruff here.

I mean, he's got kind of the, you know, women think he's kind of cool. He's kind of cool. He's a cool. Most football coaches are not cool. Cool is fine. Cool. Winning is cooler. And offensive-minded, cool, progressive, smart dude.

Yeah, the offensive minds are in high demand right now. So that's where I think you'll end up. So finally, we talked about Ben Rothesberger earlier. He's made it clear this week he sees no issue with calling out his teammates. He called out his receiver James Washington, who Ben thought botched a catch. It would have been a for sure touchdown. And he's not taking a lot of responsibility for a situation. And you think that loud teams cannot win consistently.

Yeah, I don't like it. But since Tom Brady was drafted in 2000, so let's call it the Brady era, three teams have won more than one Super Bowl. That's the Steelers, the Ravens, and the Giants. Overall, the Giants are no longer quiet. When they were winning Super Bowl's they were. When they were winning their little more quiet, they still had some stuff. You know, they had Plaxico, you know, stray hands.

They had some personalities on those teams. But the Steelers and the Ravens are certainly two very loud teams. Well, Pittsburgh is now. Yeah, they're the noisiest team in the league. I think that the Patriots are an outlier. I think it's unfair to compare the Patriots to really any other dynasty except for the 49ers. And the 49ers were not so quiet either.

Since the 80s, you have the Cowboys, you have the Redskins, you have the 49ers, and you have the Patriots, as far as dynasties go. Anyone that's won three or more Super Bowls in an era, right? Those teams aren't very quiet. I think the Patriots are just an outlier. I think the Niners were quiet. Quiet?

Yeah, I mean, it was like, you didn't hear. Haley? Well, I mean, Taun Haley was an odd guy. Charles Haley, yeah. Yeah, I mean, Charles Haley was, yeah, my bad. Charles Haley was an odd guy. But Dwight Clark, Jerry Rice, they were grinders, Montana. They were not, remember, we didn't have social media, so it's hard to say.

I always thought they were like, you know what? There was no drama with them. It was just like they went out and won. And then Steve, even when Montana left, there was a little drama of it. Then Steve Young came in. He was academic. And I always thought the Niners were New England of their time. There was no being.

I mean, you certainly can't put the Cowboys in that category. No, Cowboys had all sorts of, I mean, Cowboys were Manchester. United. It doesn't matter who's they were just, they're allowed. I mean, overall, I agree with you, but I think it's more along, I think the bigger thing is everybody being on the same page as far as winning. Like, there's just certain personalities

you're not going to be able to contain, no matter what the system is. Big Ben's one of them. Right. He's just going to talk. And for the record, they're also in Pittsburgh, really well run. They draft well, they stay under the cap. I mean, basically, the Steelers are Green Bay, but better with free

agents. They draft well, They've got continuity. They've got stability. They're smart. I don't think that Ben doesn't get along with his teammates. No. He's just a lot of work. Ben's a lot of work.

Well, you know, big personalities, winners. Like, everybody doesn't just stay quiet. Tom Brady hasn't been the most quiet over the past couple years either. 18 years, yes. Last six months, no. Yeah. Yeah. Joy with the news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Lie News. Darrell Moose Johnson of the Cowboys Three Rings joins us next. Cowboys Saints tonight in LA, it's the herd. He won three rings with the Cowboys in 93, 92, and 1995. Multiple-time Pro Bowl, or over a decade in the NFL with the Cowboys. Daryl Moose Johnson joining us, Vee the Coward Global Satellite Network, Fox NFL analyst as well, Cardinals Packers, this Sunday.

All right, so you live in Dallas. Moose, I want your perspective in Dallas. The national perspective on DAC, outside of Skip Bayliss, is there's limitations. You don't want to pay him $28 million. This is kind of an average team if DAC's running it. What is though the perspective in the city in which you live, Dallas? Are they gaga over DAC? Do they think he should be one of the highest pay?

What do people say where you live? Well, I don't know if they're completely sold on DAC just yet as that guy that's going to command that type of salary. But the one thing that has happened is I've never seen this city as low as it was after the Titans lost on Monday night. And it's been a gradual buildup to what they did on Thanksgiving. So the big win on the road at Philly and the division going down to Atlanta and winning that game where you got embarrassed last year on national television. And then the big win on Thanksgiving Day when Amari Cooper shows that explosive capability that he has as a wide receiver. Now everything's very excited again. But from an individual perspective, I don't think anybody's going there.

I think we're just excited about where the team is at right now here. in the city of Dallas. Listen, the six highest paid quarterbacks in the NFL, none lead the division. The eight division leaders are three veteran quarterbacks, breeze Brady Ben taking discounts and five other teams with quarterbacks on rookie contracts, eight for eight that if you're spending $29 million in a quarterback, you're making, you know, arrest of the roster. There's limitations. If Dak wins tonight, if Dallas wins this division, I think if they win tonight, that goes a long way

into putting him in a more secure position. Dax agent has a lot of leverage, Moose, 13 and 3 rookie season, save the franchise, another division title, went head-to-head and beat Breeze. You know, you start looking around, and he's one of the winning his quarterbacks in football in the last three years.

Is he worth $28 million? I mean, they're going to ask for it. I'm not sure they're not going to get it. Well, the big thing, I think you've made a great point at the top. Let's go back and look at some of the highest-paid quarterbacks in the league and what has happened after that time. I think Drew Brees back in 2009 had all the leverage, and he became the highest paid quarterback, but you can't pay your left tackle,

you can't pay your third receiver, you can't pay your nickel slot. So now all of a sudden the team drops. We saw it with Flacco. We've seen it with Eli. Matthew Stafford is the highest paid quarterback in the NFL at the start of the season. He's yet to win a playoff game. So, yeah, I would like to see DAC strike a balance where you get rewarded for the amount of work you've done, the quality of work you've done, to get to that point to have that opportunity.

but then you also have to have the maturity to look forward and look backwards and see what happens when that quarterback demands that much salary, how it impacts everybody else on that roster. This is the greatest team sport for a reason. You need that supporting cast. We always talk about young quarterbacks having a supporting cast. Now, if you start to take away the ability of the organization to provide those assets because you're the number one concern when it comes to the salary cap, you've got to find that happy balance right there if you want to have success moving.

forward. Some have suggested that Jerry Jones, as he has gotten older, he's always been very loyal to players. He treats players wonderfully, yourself included, but there has been this sentiment. Jerry is aged. He just doesn't want chaos at quarterback. So he's being overly loyal to a young Dak. Do you kind of buy the argument that as Jerry's aged, maybe Dak's not the best, but it's not going to be chaotic? And he had a chaotic. year a couple years ago when Tony got hurt, and it was a miserable year for Jerry. Could I say he's too loyal to DAC? Well, stability of quarterback is such a huge thing, and we see that.

I mean, look at Tampa Bay. If you can create stability at the quarterback position, it really gives you that first step for having success as a team. So, you know, that's your number one concern. So now it's just a question of how do you navigate that? But Jerry's, you know, he's had great relationships with multiple players in that franchise. You know, Tony Romo being one of the guys, you know, at the quarterback position. Michael Irvin and Jerry Jones are still very good personal friends from their time together

with the Dallas Cowboys. So that has always been a component that's there. And you just have to see how they're going to navigate the negotiations as they move forward. Because it impacts everything we've talked about, the ability to stay competitive for a long period of time, balancing, rewarding the player for what he's done, but also giving me the opportunity to be able to get the critical pieces put around him. So as I shift gears, And by the way, the Amari Cooper move, we liked it's paid off. And I've said this before. I think the NFL is better when the Dallas Cowboys are exciting and winning, and they are.

And it's good for the league and it's good for Fox. Aaron Rogers, been a lot of negativity around him this year. Big Ben yesterday calling out teammates. Baker Mayfield's doing a lot of talking. You played with a legend, Troy Aikman. And by the way, that cowboy team, you had Jimmy, you had Jerry. Later, you had Barry. He had all sorts of stuff.

I'm seeing these quarterbacks. They extend stories. They linger because the quarterbacks talk about him. Take me back to Troy Aikman because Dallas was full of superstars. And I always felt like Troy killed stories. He didn't extend stories. Is my memory served me correctly? Absolutely.

If there was a story, it was going to be killed. But he didn't create the story, which was even the better part. And he knew the responsibility. as being the voice in the face of the franchise, when he would go into a press conference or he talked to the media during the course of the week, he was always calculated in what his comments were going to be. And I used to watch him postgame,

and I would watch him get all the frustration out of his system before he walked across the hall with Rich Del Ripple to do that post-game press conference. And then he one-worded or cliched the media, and it drove them crazy. But he was never going to say something in the heat of the battle when you're emotionally raw after a football game and allow the local media to drive a wedge between our,

team. And I think that that's something. I think it's a skill at the quarterback position when you're the face of the franchise that some of these young guys have to learn. You can be honest and have a conversation, but you don't have to tell them everything that you're thinking or what's going on in the locker room. And we always talked about it. You're going to have distractions and challenges

during the course of the season. What you want to do as a team and the players on that team is minimize the ones that you're in control in. And I think you make a great point. It seems like what Ben is doing, what Aaron Rogers has been doing this season, what Baker Mayfield has been doing this week, they're taking a story and they can kill it,

and they're extending it. And now all of a sudden, in your locker room, your teammates are talking about all these topics that have nothing to do with football, nothing to do with your opponent, and it's just a distraction that could have been avoided. Finally, Chargers, I think, could be the best team in L.A., and I think everybody in L.A. has fallen for Sean McVan and the Rams. Just give me your thoughts for a minute here on Philip Rivers, the Chargers. I've been told you think they're pretty special, too. Absolutely. Absolutely. We had them last week. We watched Philip Rivers and, you know, there was some, you know, getting ready for the game this week, Arizona Green Bay. You know, you heard the guys on Green Bay talk about, well, Philip Rivers was just throwing the ball short. You know, he wasn't doing anything down the field. And that's what happened against Arizona and the Cardinals defense as well, saying he didn't get anything down the field. Well, you know, actually he did. He got a couple down the field on you. And he was just very smart with the football and he's got great playmakers. And I think that that's why this team is dangerous. They've got an excellent set of wide receivers. They've got production. at the tight end with Virgil Green.

They've got dynamic combination in the backfield. The big question will be, how is Melvin Gordon? And then defensively, Melvin Ingram, Joey Bosa on the edges. They've got a good secondary. They can pressure the passer. They can shut down the run. That will be the biggest challenge with some of the injuries inside is how do they hold up against the run. But I thought Jimmy Johnson made a great comment last week during the course of the pregame shows,

where sometimes it's not who has the best record going into the playoffs. It's who's playing the best because sometimes that's not the case. you've kind of built that record during the course of the year. Maybe you're not playing your best football as you get into December. The Chargers could be that team that's playing the best football going into the playoffs. And in my opinion, that's the most dangerous team that you're going to have to face. It's a team that's playing well. It's got all those issues figured out, and it's kind of hit their stride right as the playoff come around.

And by the way, every game's a road game seemingly. So they're four and one on the road this year. There's not this very, there's not a variation home in a way that you kind of get the same chargers every week, where I always feel like the Packers are better at Lambo than they are on the road. Darryl Mous Johnson, three rings. Love having you as a Fox NFL analyst. Moose, thanks so much. It's a busy time in your life, and I appreciate you giving us 10 minutes.

No problem. Always good catch you know with you, Colin. All right, Moose, we get them on a couple of times a year. You know, it is funny because Dallas is a very mature NFL town. Okay, Dallas has been great and Dallas has been bad. You know, I would compare to like Michigan football. Like when you've been doing this for 50 to 100 years, Michigan's a very mature college football town.

It's a very mature. They've been good at football for Alabama is a very mature college football town. They've had terrible coaches. They know the bad times don't last and the great times don't last. Dallas is a mature NFL city. And, you know, in Cleveland, Baker Mayfield's not as good as Dak right now, but they're going nuts for Baker Mayfield because they've had no success. And so they're just, oh, my God, Baker Mayfield.

In Dallas, you know, Hack 13 and 3 is a rookie. Next year winning record. This year win division. And there's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's not go crazy. Let's not pay him $28 million. That's the advantage of a mature media, a mature football franchise, a mature fan base in Dallas.

They've seen good. They've seen bad. They're not going to go Gaga over DAC. Because this team does not want to pay Dak Prescott $28 million. You do not. 21, maybe. Hour 3 in L.A. It's the herd.

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It's raining all day in L.A. It's crazy. It's always so funny. You know, it rains every day in Miami and people drive the same way when it starts raining. It's like it's as if their tires will melt. if you just drive the speed limit. It's such a weird thing. Yeah, I grew up in Pacific Northwest.

It rained every day. We were all fine. Didn't do anything to traffic. It was fine. You know, I just give me a couple minutes on this. I just want to rant off top of my head. A couple years ago, the media went so left wing crazy that they just got goofy. And it's simmered down a little bit.

It was the emergence of Twitter or something. I can't figure it out. But it was like Thursday night football is cruel. It's inhumane. Ah, shut up. Thursday night football's great. Ooh, we ask football players, who, by the way, get a long week off after the game to play a game about, you know, when your body's about 90% ready, 10% sore. You ever see what we do to hockey players?

Hockey is hard. Play, get on a plane, land in Toronto, up in the morning, skate, play. 82 games a year. You think hockey's a day at the beach. Ever met a hockey player? They're missing teeth. I mean, NFL guys all the time. They're not missing teeth.

Hockey guys, that sport is just. play, beat on each other. They fight. They let them fight. Game over. Get into play and fly to Canada. Get up, skate, nap, game, fight, knock your teeth out. Pro sports is rough, baby. NBA, 82 games, 25 playoff games. All these leagues aren't ideal for your body. None of them are. We see NFL is like, yeah, we're going to play about a day before your body's totally ready. But you get nine days off. I've said before, if my boss has told me whatever I've done, I've always been one of those guys. If you work a longer day, you get an extra day off. I'm like, I'll work 14 hours today. I'll always take an extra day off if you just beat me up for a day.

That's the world I've lived in for 30 years. Well, if I recall correctly, players were pretty outspoken about not liking it in the beginning. So that probably added to people being skeptical of it. Well, veteran players were like, yeah, I just don't. But I go back to something. There is no, there is no study where people are getting more hurt on those games. Nope. It's not true. More concussion? Nope, not true. People don't like change. They don't like change.

These games are great. Tonight, it's like, how good is tonight? If this was played anytime, it's the best game. It's huge. It's huge. Dallas hosting the New Orleans Saints. Coming up in 15 minutes, T.J. Hushman Sada stops by.

And if you think Aaron Rogers' reputations hurting his endorsements, you are wrong. But tonight we have a huge Thursday night football game on Fox. It's a saint at the Cowboys. I'll take New Orleans by about 10. But I want to talk about the power of this one. game. Dak Prescott wins tonight. He's going to get $28

to $30 million from the Dallas Cowboys. That's not good. The six highest paid quarterbacks in the NFL right now do not lead their division. They don't. You can't win that way. Breeze, Brady, Ben, taking pay cuts.

The other five division leaders are teams with quarterbacks on rookie deals. But he's going to get 28 to 30 if he wins tonight. Because let's pretend I'm Dak Prescott's agent. I've already got this

in my favor. 13 and 3 is a rookie. Tony Romo got hurt. We saved the franchise. Jerry, that's worth something. I already got that. The franchise was dead. My guy saved your franchise.

That's got to be worth $100 million, Jerry. I already got that and Jerry knows it's true. Jerry can't argue that. Franchise was back. Dak saved it. I can also say this.

My quarterback never had a losing season. Drew Brees can't say that. My guy's never had a losing season. It's the truth. The agent can also say, if Jack wins tonight, another division title within our sights. Jerry's like three years, two division titles. Here's the other.

If he beats the MVP tonight, Drew Brees, Do you realize if Dak wins tonight, over the last three seasons, he will be the third winningest quarterback in the league? Brady, Ben, and Dak, he will break the tie with Drew Breeze tonight. This is not only a big night for the Dallas Cowboys, this is a big night for Dak and his agent. We know he's the future of the Cowboys, right? We know that.

Everybody knows that. We know he's the future. Jerry keeps in. He's our guy. If he wins tonight, he's going to be our guy. making $28 million a year. And you do not want DAC, who by most account

statistically, is about somewhere between the 18th and 22nd best quarterback in the NFL, you don't want him making Kirk Cousins money. But he's going to have the leverage. The power of one. Joe Flackle won a Super Bowl. They were trapped. They had to overpay him. Now, that's a Super Bowl.

But let me remind you of two quarterbacks who are not as talented as Dak. Ryan Fitzpatrick had a 370-yard passing game to beat New England, and they gave him $59 million in Buffalo. They felt trapped. Ryan Fitzpatrick is not as good in my opinion as Dak Prescott. Matt Flynn had a six-touchdown game, a career backup,

and the Seattle Seahawks, 20 million bucks. They're not as talented as Dak. They're not winning division titles like Dak. They're not guys who are 13 and 3 as rookies. Dak beats Breeze tonight, the power of one. The leverage is going to be if if Dak wins tonight over Drew Breeze, then next week when Dak Prescott plays for our TV audience, he should switch helmets.

And he should go out and just have that in his helmet, a dollar sign. Because he's going to get whatever he wants. He's going to have all these arguments. And the final one's going to be, you kidding me? my client went toe to toe with Drew Brees. Jared Gough couldn't beat him. That's all right. Joe Flacco couldn't beat him.

I know what the day. My guy beat him. Huge, the power of one. Huge night for Dak, the Cowboys, their future tonight. Let me shift to this. Speaking of quarterbacks. There are three quarterbacks in this league, NFL, very talented. varying levels of talent, but they're all either going to be Hall of Famers or going to get in the discussion.

Cam Newton, Big Ben, and Aaron Rogers, they're dramatic. And the people who love Big Ben, Cam and Aaron Rogers, always defend them. Well, it's a coach's fault. It's a running back's fault. It's the organization's fault. It's a GM's fault. And by the way, they're all very, very good. But they're all really, really, really dramatic.

And stories tend to linger with them. You know, you have a little story. Eight days later, I'm forced to keep talking about the story. Quarterback should be fire extinguishers, not gasoline. So Big Ben threw a pick Sunday. It's Thursday. And he's still talking about it, forcing me to talk about it. Here he was yesterday about the criticism of teammates on the interception.

I think that I've earned the right to be able to do that with his long. as I've been here. And, you know, it's, and I'll be just as critical on myself as well in front of you guys as well. Being around for a long time dealing with a lot of different players. You know, you have to know how to motivate different guys in different ways. And I think that's part of being a leader, being a captain, just understanding players. And so sometimes you just grab them off to the side and sometimes you have to be honest with them. Why are we still talking about this interception? It's Thursday. Can we stop talking about this interception?

Ben, you're too dramatic. Cam, you're too dramatic. Aaron, Rogers, you're too dramatic. Stuff lingers. Now, you know how I feel about quarterbacks. I have my four favorite in the NFL. I call them the bore for. Nothing lingers.

Stories die. Luck, Brady, Breeze, Russell Wilson. They take a bullet. It's on me. Potential stories end. Football is really hard. Six noisiest teams in the league. For the record, some of the

most talented. Pettsburgh, Seattle, Philadelphia, Jacksonville Giants Packers, all are underachieving. Seattle just got quiet in the last few months, having a good year. Let me tell you who's quiet in the NFL. These teams have stars. They're never in the news. The L.A. Rams, the Kansas City Chiefs, the New Orleans Saints, the Indianapolis Colts. And now that football started, the New England Patriots. Football's hard. Football practice is hard. Noise makes it harder. And for the record, as much as I like Big Ben,

he is part of this. Lavian Bell was a big component to the noise. Lavian Bell left, and they're still noisy. They're still noisy. That's on Ben. Think about the six noisiest teams in this league. We got some of the best players.

And then think about the six quietest teams, good quiet teams. I never hear Saints stories. I don't hear Chief Stories. I don't hear Ram stories. Like my quarterbacks, take a bullet on me. Bring it down. It's Thursday. And this story, this pick, is lingering for a fourth day.

Levy and Bell's gone, dude. That's on you. You know, by the way, can I support hockey players for 30 seconds here? Yes. I just, you know, everybody was just whining about Thursday games. Who the hell doesn't want to watch this Thursday game? Hockey players play a period. I've been in hockey locker rooms.

You come in, they're soaked. And they go out again and play, and they come back, they're soaked. They do this. Then they go out and play again, and they're soaked. By the way, if they get cut by a stick during the game, they will stitch you up in the back and get you back out there. You're not allowed to miss games as a hockey player. Hockey guys play 82 games a year.

And then when you fly into Toronto at 3 in the morning and you get five hours asleep with about six Molesons in you, you go out the next morning for a morning skate, you're sopping weight, you come in, chicken salad for lunch, get up, go fight again, lose your teeth. Hockey guys playing 82 games a year, playoffs, 92 to 100. Thursday night football, once a year we ask a football.

Once a year we ask a football player. Kind of a short week. You make it sound like the football players are complaining about, There was too much of it. Years ago, not now. No one's complaining about the Thursday night games now. Hey, my voice is sore. I'm in here talking.

What we do is, I mean, I'm sitting here with a heated blanket on my legs. I'm like a long storming out here. I've got a fresh cup of coffee. This is tough work we're doing here. If you want to talk about tough athletes, talk about hockey guys. I will say, though, I went ice skating in Kansas City last weekend and my feet were just killing me. There you go. Try 82 games.

A guy punching right in the forehead and you'll. losing your teeth. No, I need these. I may not talk hockey, but I respect hockey players. Yeah, I mean, seriously, ever seen an old hockey player? No, they're all dead. It's too tough. There you go. Hockey. More hockey talk. T.J. Hushmanzada

is around the corner. He's fired up about Big Ben calling out his teammates, so T.J.'s going to go crazy. Try a Vix Sinex nasal spray. Works up to 12 hours when congestion strikes. Vix Sinex nasal spray uses directed. So I was saying that I saw Matt Flynn get a huge contract off a big game.

I've seen Ryan Fitzpatrick get a huge contract of a big game. I saw Joe Flacco make $100 million off a big game. If Dak wins tonight, Dallas is in a very good spot to win their division. T.J. Hushman Zada, over a decade in the NFL, a pro bowler. And I said if Dak wins tonight, he should come out next week and he'll be the only cowboy wearing this helmet, just a dollar sign. So I'll play a game here because I believe this to be true. that if Dak wins tonight's game, you're going to have to pay him $28 million.

So you don't think that's true. Not at all. You wouldn't pay him $28 million. Would not. Okay. So you're Jerry Jones. We're going to do role playing. Gotcha.

You own the Dallas Cowboys. And I am Dak Prescott's agent. All-Star. Listen, this franchise was dead. Tony Romo got hurt. You were a dead franchise. You were worse than the Giants. My guy saved your franchise.

You went from the worst team in the league couldn't get first downs to 13 and 3. That alone is worth $100 million to your brand. You just said last week you have a $10 billion brand. You don't think Dak Prescott's worth $100 million off his rookie year, the marketing, the sales. I want $28 million a year, $109 million. That first year wasn't who Dak Prescott is. the last two years are who Dak Prescott is.

He's very inconsistent, very inconsistent. Things need to be perfect for Dak Prescott because, you know, we negotiate now. There's nothing positive that Dak does. My job is to bring his value down and things need to be perfect for that Prescott to lead us. We need to have a great running game. Our offensive line needs to be perfect.

The pocket needs to be clean. We had to go get Amari. After him saying he doesn't need a number one receiver, we had to give up a first-round draft. go get Amari Cooper because it shows he does need an elite receiver. He's not an elite quarterback. He's a good quarterback and we're going to pay him as such. Okay. Well, that's very personal, Mr. Jones. That hurts. But as Dak's agent, I'd like to offer this, that if my client wins tonight in his third year,

he will be the third winning his quarterback in the league since he's entered it. Brady, Ben, and Dak. That's a bizarre stat, but it's true. Has he had a number one receiver? No, he's had Des Bryant. Has he always had a great running back? Zieg got suspended. Has his offensive line been perfect? No, it's been beat up all year.

He's got the best center in football camp. Tiron Smith is out tonight. How can you not see my quarterback as $110 million, $28 million a year guy? You're making your argument for me. The team has rallied around Dak Press. The team, look at his statistics. He can barely get 200 yards a game on a good day. Since Amari has come and been a dollar's cowboy, he's been a lot better.

He cannot do it by himself. Our defense is one of the best defenses in the league. Offensively, we have one of the better old lines. And again, if things aren't perfect, he can't get it done. And I'm not saying we're not going to pay him. We're not paying him elite quarterback money. He's going to get paid. We like Dak Prescott.

But he needs everything to be perfect for us to be. successful. All right. There's the argument between Jerry Jones, played by T.J. Hushman's office. And you see, I never threw a number out there. Okay, so, and I played a Dax agent. I don't know who it is, played by. I love how you had to take a second to get in character. He did, really. Okay, so do we have, okay, so I want to ask, I want to ask this. I'll start with Joy. Yeah, that was a two-round fight. Who do you think won that? Who do you, whose argument do you buy? Well, who's going to win or who's an argument?

You actually have the better argument. Thank you. You have the better argument. And you miss a lot of points too. Like, are you going to go back in the draft and get another quarterback? John, John, we have a decision. Hold on. Go ahead, John.

Do you have a set? Yeah, I think I won. I do, I really do think, what would you pay him then? I would give him somewhere between 18 and 24. million. Hopefully I could get him around 22 to 23 a year. And that's what Breeze makes right now. Because by the way, the six highest paid quarterbacks are not leading their division. Of the eight division leaders, three Brady Ben Breeze are taking a pay cut and five are quarterbacks on rookie deals.

I could see Dak taking a deal like that, though. That doesn't... 22? Yeah, that doesn't seem unreasonable. But it's Jerry Jones. He's going to make guarantees outside of football. Let me ask you, TJ, do players think like this? Texas, no state tax? I'm not doing that Campbell soup commercial if I'm quarterback of the Jaguars. Do players think like that? The older and the longer you play, you do.

But when you're, you don't think about that initially. Now, he's been in league long enough. The good agents, the better agents will explain these type of things to you. You're playing on the Dallas Cowboys. You're going to make money off the field. You don't pay a state tax. So if you're making 23 here, that's probably 26 somewhere else. Oh, no question.

And so you have to take all that Jerry Jones loves you. This is going to be your second contract. More than likely you're going to get a third contract. And so you have to, I'm a firm believer and you don't realize this until you leave. Stay with the team that drafted you if you can because they know what you do well, but they also know what you don't do well. You know, somebody once told me this about Ken Griffey. Nobody loves you like your first team.

And that is the truth. They drafted you. they scouted you three years before they drafted you. They are vested in you because they never, you know, the general manager doesn't want to look like a dope and you failed. They'll give you second and third chances. Like nobody loves you like the old high school sweetheart thing. They understand your limitations on the field and off the field.

They understand, you know, what comes with you. So you were drafted by the Bengals? Yes. And then you went where? To Seattle. And I, that was probably, I, If I could go back and do it again, I would have stayed with the Bengals. And I couldn't wait to leave Cincinnati.

But when you leave, you realize, like, God, it wasn't that bad. It really wasn't that bad. They loved you. Yeah. And you left for some money. Yeah. And it's almost like you get a divorce and you're like, God, I wish I could get my wife back. And she's moved on.

It's too late. Sorry. She don't want you no more. And that's what happens. That's funny. All right. Let's get into this. So Big Ben.

throws in Interception Sunday. I was watching that game. It's like, oh, it's awful. It's just like, listen, guys throw picks. They're good picks and backs. Sometimes it picks a bad receiver. I picked the Steelers. I needed that touchdown.

It was a bad, it was a worst pick of the weekend. It was a bad pick. And then he comes out the next day. Here, and then he comes out the next day in that game, and he's talking about receivers, and they should have cut here, and it wasn't my fault. And then here was Big Ben yesterday defending him being able to call out his teammates. Here it is. I think that I've earned the right to be able to do that with as long as I've been here.

And, you know, I'll be just as critical on myself as well in front of you guys as well. Being around for a long time, dealing with a lot of different players. You know, you have to know how to motivate different guys in different ways. And I think that's part of being a leader, being a captain, just understanding players. And so sometimes you just grab them off to the side. And sometimes you have to be honest with them. I mean, Big Ben's saying I've earned the right to be critical of teammates. Listen, and Big Ben gets his receivers two, three, four hundred yards a year just on hold on to the ball plays.

Each year he helps his receivers out. He's dead wrong. Number one, nobody wants to be criticized publicly at all. I've earned the right. Antonio Brown is your equal. You're not. He means much to the Pittsburgh Steelers as you do. He's your equal.

You do not criticize him publicly. What could he have done better on a route? Come flatter. That's what he should have done is come flatter. He drifted. If he comes flatter, he's going to run into the guy that intercepted the ball. Regardless if he runs a better route and comes flatter, it's still an interception. Ben, you messed up.

Just say I messed up. By the way, if you watch this play again, Ben didn't put the velocity on the ball, even if that guy wasn't there. That ball gets intercepted by the defensive back. Ben putting nothing on that thing. He wants AB to come flat. He can't come flat because. it's really a run play. It's an RPO.

That's a run play that Ben pulled out and through. It's an RPO with the backslide. We call that a now route. You just come right now on a slant. And Big Ben, Antonio Brown is your equal. You can criticize James White. Listen, this is just my belief. Casey Hampton, James Harrison,

Ike Taylor, Palomalu, Ryan Clark, Santonio Holmes, and those offensive ones. That's who Ben should be thinking because that's who took them boys to the Super Bowl. Like, that's just my opinion. No, the first Super Bowl, they won. Jerome Bettis. Yeah, no, that team was run the ball, play defense.

Yeah, no question. That's the first, his first Super Bowl win, actually Seattle out played him, and there was a couple of really not because I'm from Seattle, bad calls. Let's reverse this. Yeah. What if Antonio Brown has come out and attack Big Ben this way? It would be a firestorm. All the receivers.

Oh, my God. receivers. They talk too much. They're divas. But because he's a quarterback, like the problem is we've put the quarterbacks on a pedestal, that they can do anything, they can say anything, and because they're the quarterback, Big Ben and Antonio Brown are equals. You don't criticize him publicly. You can say something to him privately. You don't take that to the media. You don't do it. He's dead wrong, 100%. What do you make of Mayfield? You're ripping Hugh and ripping Haley. What do you make of that stuff? You know Hugh. Man, it's and I haven't talked to Hugh about

this. All right. I have not. But this is just my opinion. When Hugh got fired, nobody, you didn't talk about this and it was shocking to me. Did you see what Todd Haley said when Hugh got fired? No. And then Todd Haley got fired. Todd Haley was shocked that he got fired because

I thought I would be given an opportunity to be the interim coach. That's what Todd Haley said. Todd Haley thought he was going to be the interim coach. So that tells me or it makes me believe Todd Haley was bad mouth and hue to Baker this whole time. He was dirty macking him behind his back.

This whole time, Ken Zampesey, who's a quarterback coach, isn't going to do that because he was incensedy with Hugh. He's not going to do that. For Baker Mayfield to come out and say he's fake, what did he do to you to show you that he's fake? Some coach on that staff, his bad mouth Hugh to Baker, and Baker is taking it personal. Dude, this is the NFL.

This ain't college football. When you get fired and you have an opportunity to get a job, you're going to take it because Baker, if you get cut and the Baltimore Ravens want to sign you, are you going to say, no, I'm not going to the Ravens because we weren't the same division. No, you're going to take the job. Somebody on that staff,

bad-mouthed you to Baker, in my opinion, because he, like, he didn't want no part to shaking his hand and he's come out. It was real personal. Very, very, and that's, Baker Mayfield is the number one pick. Hugh had to want Baker to succeed because that meant I'm going to keep my job. Somebody went behind Hugh back. Somebody did not like Hugh, and it's sad because a coach on that staff and they know they're listening,

who I believe is Todd Haley and I could be wrong. Went behind Hughes back and bad mouth on the Baker Mayfield. That was good stuff. You brought the A game today. And I do appreciate the, what would we call it, the role playing on the show today. A lot of people are uncomfortable with that. You did. Jerry Jones, you were excellent.

I was an agent. I had to get into agent-e talkie. No, you did. You took a second. You get very, listen, I became a salesman. Agents are very salesy. All right, good seeing you, bud. Take care.

Enjoy with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, let's stick with that Baker story. He has no regrets about criticizing Hugh Jackson or calling him fake in an Instagram post. And yesterday, he was asked to elaborate on what he meant by calling Hugh Jackson fake.

Let's listen to his answer. There's just things that happen inside the building that I'm not going to get into detail with. It's in-house information. It doesn't matter. We've moved on. We have our coach right now. We have our play caller. And we're having success.

So we need to focus on that. I get it, but I don't have to go in details. Dang. That's just how it works. Now, the one thing I will say that I don't agree with Baker on, and I think it's just him being caught up in what TJ was just talking. about like whatever this drama is between the two of them. Yeah.

I think that that's kind of gotten him distracted from the overall point. Like, Hugh has every right to go to the Bengals and work. This idea that you have some sort of loyalty in professional sports, I mean, it's what, it's what they were talking about when they said that he transferred schools. Like, there is no, you're going to go where you get a job. Yeah. Follow the commerce. If you're an electrician and the company that you work for no longer wants to employ you,

you're going to go to another electric company because that's what you do for a living. So this idea that you should have some sort of loyalty to the Browns and he should just not work. And I'm sure he was getting paid regardless. Like that's just how those contracts work, whether he's working with the Bengals or not. But he has every right to go wherever he wants. So this idea of him being fake, I don't think that that has anything to do really with, like when he's saying fake, I don't think it has to do so much with him going to the Bengals as it has to do with whatever that riff was between the two of them. Because it just doesn't make sense.

And I think Baker's smart enough to know how the business works at this point. You would hope. You would hope. Because it just doesn't make sense. All right. So it's time now for the fantasy headline sponsored by Drap Kings. And today's headline is Andrew Luck. Luck sits in second in passing touchdowns at 34.

Yes. And he has thrown for 3,11 yards and 11 interceptions for the six and five Colts. There'll be seven and five after this week, can you? Which is why he has jumped to the third highest odds for MVP. Oh, I was nutty. week when I said it was Breeze and Andrew Luck. Who was crazy? No, no, no, no, no.

You said it was Breeze, Andrew Luck, and whoever. It's really Breeze Mahomes. Oh, come on. And then Andrew Luck, as it should be. Everybody thought it was a hot take, and I'm like, are anybody watching these games? No, Andrew Luck should definitely be in the conversation. He will not win MVP. If you put Mahomes with the Colts personnel, you think they're doing this?

Come on. Yes, I do, actually. I think that Mahomes is very talented. And I don't, I mean, maybe they aren't. Maybe they aren't nine and two, but the chiefs are nine and two. And he was really the favorite for MVP before Drew Breeze has gone on this run. So Drew Breeze is the favorite, as he should be. Mahomes is very, very close behinds.

And it's really going to depend on how both teams finish the season, but I think Drew Breeze will end up winning it. There's no chance that Andrew Luck is going to win the MVP, and he shouldn't. They started one in five. You can't put qualifiers on it. They started one in five. They've won five straight. They're playing great, but they started one in five.

If he's runner-up, I'm totally happy. It's not a half-season award. It's a full-season. You know how lucky we are right now is football fans? Oh, yeah. I get golf. I get Mahomes. I get, I mean, say what you want.

I get Dak. I get luck. I get Wilson. I got all these young. Did I say Deshawn Watson? No. Brady. Wentz.

I'm talking. There's about eight young guys. You know, I'm not a Trubisky fan. And I think Derek Carr is better than Trubisky, but there's this seven or eight guys right now? No, the future looks right. And it looks like Baker's going to make it. Darnold, if he gets a good GM, will eventually make it. It's a

really good time. Tonight you're going to get a veteran who's great and a young guy who's promising, although I think he's limited. There's a lot of good quarterbacks out there right now. Finally, Steve Kerr has announced that Steph Curry will return to the court on Saturday against the Pistons in Detroit. After going 10 and 2 with

Steph, the Warriors have been 5 and 5 without him. They play the Raptors tonight. and it could be, well, at least in my opinion, a finals preview. I'm on board with the rafters. I don't like those dorky internet polls, but can we just do one of these? You know what? You need to stop saying that because you do like dorky internet polls.

I do like one. You say it every time. Three times a year. Oh, no, you don't. Okay. I haven't been here in a year. We've done at least seven. Okay, let's do a new poll.

Do we say nice stuff about the Raptors because we like Canadians? or do you don't buy them and they're chokers and there's my poll? I think more people think that the raptors... I might want to word that a little better. Yeah, we've got to work on that. I think that more people think that the raptors are not... Chokers. Chokers.

We would call them chokers if they were in Detroit. They're not a controversial team. So there's really nothing to dig into to criticize until you get to the postseason. They get swept. Right, but at that point they're swept. Like, okay, we're on to the... the next. So there's really, during the regular season, they're great. They, they, they, they usually win a playoff series or two and then they get swept. So there's really not a whole

lot to criticize until they get swept. That's, that's why there's not bad things to say about them. They're not a controversial team. Who on their team is controversial? And now they have Kawhi. If the Rams aren't controversial, if they got smoked in their first playoff game at home, we'd be like, you're chokers. But you don't mind ripping people in L.A. because we're all smug and all that stuff. What do they call them chokers? I think it was really, really bad. If the Rams, If the Rams lose their opener at home, let's take the bears. The bears come out here and smoke them. The Rams are going to get crushed.

The Raptors get swept and we're like, well, they tried the baby dinosaurs. But it's L.A. though. Like, L.A. is not likable. Yeah, but there's other cities in America that you wouldn't, in the U.S., that you wouldn't say that about. It's L.A. Let's stop giving Canada a pass because they're nice. I like the nice stuff, but your team's a bunch of chokers.

They're a different team this year. I'm telling you. They got Kauai. They're going to be different this year. We are the North. I'll tell you what we are. We're winners down here. Don't make me a liar.

Are we done? Yes. Joy with the news. We're not to the poll. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. All right, I got to get to stuff.

By the way, the NFC feels like it's two heavyweights. I really do. The NFC feels like to me, you think Colt McCoy, you think Dack, you think Mitch Trubiskey, you think Kirk Cousins is going to go to L.A. Orleans and win a road playoff game. Like, I don't see that happening. It feels like to me, it really does. NFC is a two-team race now.

It's two heavyweights, meet in the center of the ring, Ollie Frazier, Nate Diaz-McGregor, let's wait for the big fight. AFC's March Madness. Kansas City absolutely could win it. Pittsburgh. Keep your eye on Andrew luck. I think they're going to get in.

New England. Chargers are stacked. Right now, Chargers is good as anybody in the league. Chargers are going to beat Pittsburgh this weekend. by the way. I'll put that out there, Blazing Five. Chargers is going to beat the Steelers this weekend. So that's coming up. Plus, if you think Aaron Rogers' negative reputations hurting him, we'll prove you wrong and best for last. That's right around the corner. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app.

Search Hurd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Thursday night football returns tonight with two of the biggest teams in the league. It's Ezekiel Elliott, Dak Prescott, and the Cowboys. Take on Drew Brees, Michael Thomas, and the Saints. It all starts at 730 Eastern on Fox NFL Network and streaming on Prime Video. I'll take the Saints by about 10. Vegas has the spread at 7 and that over under 51. So Vegas thinks the Saints are going to win 30 to 23. They're 29, 23 thereabouts. All right, let's do it. Best for Last. After almost three hours, Colin apparently hasn't gotten to the point yet. Quit holding out on us, Cowherd. It's the best for last. So when Aaron Roger,

replaced Brett Favre. You know, Brett Favreve was so iconic and so beloved. Aaron Rogers came in, and we didn't really know what to expect. First year wasn't great. He was talented, but not great. And then, you know, for the rest of it, he's been amazing, right? And he's been kind of the golden boy, the talented arm, a lot of national endorsements. All earned, by the way.

He's terrific. But I noticed, and I said this earlier today, driving into work the last five or six days, especially since that lost in Minnesota, you can tell that is the brand-neying. is changing. People are now, not just me. I've been doing this for years, but a lot of people, a lot of hosts, radio and TV are like, you know what? Some of this is on Aaron. He's, he's prickly. He can be condescending. He's difficult. He's forcing a coach out. He's passive aggressive. So for the first time, Aaron's, the golden boy is getting tarnished. The golden boy is being criticized. And his reputation has gone from talented, smart, the great ad libber,

goat conversation to he's 11, 16, and 1 over his last two years, and he's difficult and he can't get along with a coach and they're not that fun to watch. But I thought to myself, you know, Joey, his new brand is kind of prickly and kind of difficult and kind of passive aggressive, but that doesn't mean if I was his agent, he's still, he's got a new brand. So let's create commercials for the new Aaron Rogers. It's not the worst thing to have his brand. You're weighing to this agent role today.

Yeah. So, I mean, I'm thinking to myself, all right, I can create products that fit Aaron Rogers' new personality that's been unveiled. Here, here for the holiday season. Here's one I thought about. Just in time for the holidays, Aaron Rogers brand Rubik's cubes. You'll think they're really cool at first, but then you'll immediately grow tired of playing with them. Now in stores. That is kind of a good description.

And Aaron. You kind of get tired of plan with him. It's not terrible. I think I'd buy that thing. Here's another one that is totally on brand for Aaron. Just in time for the holidays, Aaron Rogers brand mops. They'll clean up all your messes unless you fumbled in the fourth quarter like some idiot. Now in stores.

It's kind of a shot at Ty Montgomery. Hmm. I don't know. How about this one? This one's on brand for Aaron and the Packers. Okay. Just in time for the holidays, Aaron Rogers brand desktop computers. They're great when you're at home, but completely useless when you're everywhere else,

especially Minnesota, now in stores. That is incredibly accurate. If only all ads were as accurate as that. No kidding. Like that, you could name that the Aaron Rogers desktop computer. You could just forget Microsoft. I mean, really, like, desktops are so reliable at home. They're not great in Minnesota.

They're fast, yeah, no. And, yeah, so I think he's got a new brand, difficult, little prickly. This one, I think, for the holidays is the best match. Just in time for the holidays, Aaron Rogers brand Snuggies, perfect for when you're curling up on your couch in January. Just like Aaron will be doing. Now in stores. That was kind of a cheap shot. Snuggies are great, though.

Are they? Excellent product. Really? Yes. You've worn Snuggies. Yes. I'm a big blanket on the couch person. I don't even, like I wear this and I go home.

I wear this until I go to bed. Are you joking? You are of course kidding. You are of course kidding. No. You sit around all day in jeans? Yeah, I like jeans. You don't like jeans?

Yeah, what I change into? First of all. Sweat pants. An oversized shirt. Oh, great. That's what you marry a one. woman and an hour into the marriage she becomes a workout surely and it's very upfront about about comfortability you go home and get into sweatpants every day on the show here's two things that

signally wedding is the marriage is over you start driving a minivan and wearing sweatpants in the afternoon we do not have a minivan and we both wear sweats all the time it's our look it's our thing my job me and errol are very pro sweats I wear this the whole I want to look good my wife comes home and thinks oh that guy did some business today that guy's got his act together I don't want to be in a a big dinosaur sweatshirt from Walmart. Why is it going to be a dinosaur sweatshirt? Well, sweatpants make you look baggy and unappealing. Speak for yourself.

There's very stylish sweatpants available. So you just, you come home, Earl. It's like 250 to the afternoon. Earl, I'm done. I'm not done. What do you mean? I wear ath leisure clothing. Man, I wear yoga pants, a sweatshirt.

It's a little chilly today. I got a cute little hoodie. I got this thing on all day. So at any point my wife sees me. I got my pink airman. Max says I look adorable. Yeah, there are no cute hoodies. Yes, there are.

Not really. I wear hoodies five days a week. When I am home, I am doing business. I want to look like an executive. My wife's like, that is a successful. I mean, your family looks like a Norman Rockwell painting at home. Yeah, I'll be honest with you. Yesterday I took my shoes off, I was appalled.

I thought, get your business shoes back on. We're home here. So you sit in your basement and watch. watch like Narcos Mexico in your full outfit that you had on it on television. It's not an outfit. It's a dress shirt and jeans. I'm watching Narcos Mexico last night. Two episodes.

I had Corona next to me. And I had this shirt on. What do you want to me to have on? You can't drive a minivan. You're just telling your wife, you're just telling your wife I'm unappealing. And to be clear, to minivan drivers, they're very functional vehicles. If you drive a minivan, get a comb and just comb your hair over. And just say it's over.

It's combed over. It looks fine. You got to. I never quit. I'm very, very pro-comfort. We are on opposite ends of the spectrum on that. You go home and you're comfortable. No, I think Earl looks amazing in sweatpants. I buy him sweatpants. What do you guys go on dates at Target? What's going on to? We wear sweatpants to dinner all the time. This is L.A. You're dressing up for. You're going to dinner in sweatpants?

Almost every day of the week. On Friday, we will, depending. And by the way, on Friday, when you guys are all looking hot and stuff, isn't that the night that it's kind of like romantic? Well, yeah, we have romantic nights every night. But yes, Friday is a fun date night. But sometimes we wear sweatpants too. So date night. When you get married, every night should be date night. It's date night every night now.

We just like sweatpants. In your sweatpants. It's L.A. You don't have to get dressed up. In Cleveland, I got to wear a suit at home. In L.A. I got to wear a sweatpants? I don't know. I mean, just I think when you go places, they're probably more critical. I think I, I'm, let's do another poll on that.

This is a big reveal. Sweatpants all night or look like a professional. I'm easily winning this. Okay. If you're, it's cold and flu season and apparently sweatpants season. Try Vicks Sinex nasal spray last 12 hours when congestion strikes to clear your nose and last for 12 hours. Tomorrow's blazing five James Harrison, Chris Broussard. Wow.

That was the best five minutes of the show right there. A lot of clarity on that thing. Seriously. A lot of clarity on that thing. All right. We'll see you tomorrow. Enjoy the game tonight. Saints at the Cowboys.

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