The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Dak Prescott, Lamar Jackson, Tom Brady, Jim Harbaugh, and the Browns

Episode Date: September 18, 2019

Colin explains why we need to pump the breaks on Cowboys QB Dak Prescott and Ravens QB Lamar Jackson, why he feels Patriots QB Tom Brady is the greatest American team athlete of all time, why he defends Michigan HC Jim Harbaugh, and the issues with the Cleveland Browns. Guests include Nick Wright, Bruce Gradkowski, Bucky Brooks, and Rob Parker. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're live in Los Angeles, IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Joy Taylor's joining me. One hour from now, Diss or Dack? A brand new game. We'll play regularly. Diss or Dack. Who is Dack better then? Who would you take Dack over for the next five years?

Because he's probably going to get a four or five-year contract. Joy Taylor is joining me. Joy, how are you? I'm great. Good morning. Good morning, everybody. You know, I always thought in our business, a lot of people get jobs at sports networks. I always thought the game, the people that I really like are the ones that last. Al Michaels has been around forever. Howard Stern's been around forever.

Oprah's been around forever. A lot of people get opportunities in pro sports. The people that I always idolized as a kid, you know, growing up or as a young adult were the people that like decade after decade after decade after decade. Kobe Bryant was double-teamed his entire career. His last game, he still scored 60. Every game plan, every night was stopped Kobe. Nobody could. A lot of guys have won player of the month in the NBA that disappear into the ether.

Dak Prescott and Lamar Jackson are the talk of the league. Dak Prescott's on the cover of Sports Illustrated and Stephen Jones. I mean, they're talking about what he's going to get paid. And I like Dak a lot. And I like Lamar, not yet a lot. But Dack Prescott, it's interesting. Dax completing 82% of his throws and has 142 pass-a-rating. That's not the real deck.

Lamar Jackson, by the way, eight touchdowns, no picks, passer rating 145. That's not the real Lamar. Here's the funny thing about September in the NFL. It can be really fools gold for quarterbacks. Now think about this. Football's the only sport. We're in the middle of the season, the weather conditions change. September, weather's perfect.

Football is the only sport where your personnel, your support system can evaporate. Philadelphia yesterday canceled practice. They didn't have enough healthy players. This doesn't happen in any other sport. Last year through two weeks, and that's all we have in the NFL, 10 quarterbacks in the NFL had five or more touchdowns. Let me read them to you. Blake Bortles, Andy Dalton, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Kirk Cousins, and Joe Flacco.

That's half of them. Now, I like DAC a lot, and I like Lamar not yet a lot. But September's been fools gold my entire life in the NFL. And Baltimore and Dallas are very unique because the NFL is a film league. And let me give an example with Arizona. So Arizona's first two weeks, it's a film league. You had to go as an NFL coach facing Arizona and go to the Big 12 conference. You had a college coach from the Big 12, and then you had a quarterback from the Big 12,

and the Big 12 doesn't really play any NFL defensive schemes. And then Arizona in the preseason announced, hey, everything we're doing in the preseason, none of it will use in the regular season. So Arizona was the only team in the first couple of weeks that you had to look at Big 12 college tape to figure out what they're doing. That's not a knock on Kyler Murray, but as the weeks go, you'll figure out. out strengths and weaknesses. So think about Dallas.

Dallas has Kellan Moore as their new coordinator. He was playing two years ago. There's no film on Kellan Moore. Nobody knows his traits. Nobody knows his tendencies. It's not like with Andy Reid's guy, you can go to Andy Reed's system and then watch Matt and Aging and go, oh, Matt does that, or Doug Peterson. A lot of the same principles.

Or Mike Holmgren's tree. Or Belichick's tree. There's a branch for Kellyn Moore. Nobody has a tree. In the first week, Dallas ran 50% play action. The last coordinator ran 27%. New York Giant, they were completely fooled. How many times did DAC throw to a Dallas receiver that was open by 10 yards?

So you have no film on Arizona. You have no film on Kellen Moore. Now, Lamar, you've got film on with Greg Roman, but they've added a lot of personnel and a lot of wrinkles. The first game against Miami, Lamar didn't run. Miami is in the box. And they were like, we're not going to run. So you got to be careful about September.

Great to me in my business. It's the Stearns. It's the Oprah's. It's the Bill Mars. It doesn't matter. The Hannity's the Mata. They're lasting for decades. I mean, Tom Brady, think about Tom Brady.

This is what great is. Pittsburgh is 20 years of film on Brady. They just faced him last year. They had six months to prepare for Brady. Brady comes in with a bunch of new wide receivers and beats them 33 to 3. That's Kobe scoring 60. Great isn't getting a job. Even a starting quarterback job in the NFL.

Great is year after year, brick after brick. People have 10 years of film on Brady. Pittsburgh's faced him 12 times. They had six months. Brady doesn't have his wide receivers right. His center got hurt 33 to 3. And it couldn't stop him. That's great.

There's a lot of good that looks. great in September. Anyway, Sports Illustrated, Dax on the cover, good picture, a lot of good quotes. So, yesterday Aaron Rogers was on a radio show

and he was just sort of laughing at anybody that doubts Brady. And, you know, he was just saying, you know, we just keep waiting for it to end. And he said, it's just ridiculous. So here's Aaron talking about,

Tom Brady and how it doesn't look like it's close to ending. I think I'd laugh with him a little bit when they replace some of the remarks. People just waiting, I think, for him to, like, regress. And it's like, it's not happening. Not happening. But the first time he has a game where he doesn't throw three tugs, it's going to be like, oh, well, here it is. You know, here's the beginning.

And then sure enough, there's a little more ammo for him to be like, what did you say? Oh, yeah. Okay. Cool. Going back to the Super Bowl. People who understand this. In my lifetime, we've always considered the most dominant team sport athletes to be Wayne Gretzky in hockey and Michael Jordan and basketball. It's not close anymore.

Brady has lapped Gretzky and he's lap Michael Jordan. I want you to think about this. Wayne Gretzky, you know, Wayne Gretzky literally has more assists than the second all-time score has points. That doesn't even count Gretzky's goals. But Gretzky, his last 12 years, he never won. And by the way, he never won without Mark Messier. Think about Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan never won without Scotty Pippen.

Brady doesn't have that. Belichick? He was fired in Cleveland and 5 and 11. in New England with Drew Bledso. The gap between Brady and even Michael Jordan and even Wayne Gretzky is now laughable.

Well, well, think about Brady. Brady has six Super Bowl rings. No other player in football has that. Michael Jordan's got six rings. Bill Russell's got 11. Robert Ori's got seven. There's multiple Celtics that have more than Brady.

Tom Brady is going to break every playoff record. Michael Jordan doesn't own every playoff record. Tom Brady's going to break every statistical quarterback record. LeBron crushes Michael Jordan in statistical records. He'll beat him in virtually everything, including eventually, probably points. I mean, we know assists, rebounds, final appearances. You got to remember, Brady's done it with a collection of mostly anonymous offensive linemen,

not star running backs, four offensive coordinators, and outside of Randy Moss for two hours, mostly 72 different guys have caught touchdown passes. Magic had Kareem, Gretzky had Messier, Jordan had Pippen. Tom doesn't have any one guy. He can make claims that I want you to think about this for a second. If you take Tom Brady's career and you cut it in a, half. I want you to cut Brady's career in half. His first 10 years, three Super Bowls, two MVPs, a regular season MVP, and won over 76% of his games. That is an argument for the

greatest quarterback ever. His second 10 years are better than that. Three Super Bowls, two MVP's, regular season, two Super Bowl, one regular season, two MVPs, he's basically doubled everything against Super Bowl wins, and then he won 79% of his games. You can make an argument that Brady's last 10 years are the greatest quarterback ever. Montana would be the only one you'd argue with him. You can argue that his first 10 years, he's the first or second greatest quarterback ever, only surpassed by himself and Joe Montana. If you take away Michael Jordan's, one of his three title runs. Remember, he got three titles, played baseball, came back. He's not even in the discussion. Magic got the nine finals one five,

Russell one 11. We're not talking about Michael Jordan winning three. You cut Jordan's career in half. He's not in the discussion. You literally Tom has two careers that are arguably better than any quarterback. And the only quarterback that would be in the argument with is Joe Montana. Four Super Bowls, four MVPs. Like, it's not close anymore. Gretzky had Messier, Jordan had Pippin. Brady doesn't have that. Brady's got the most Super Bowl rings in his sport. Jordan's not close. Bill Russell's got almost double. Brady will win the statistical arguments, the playoff statistical arguments. His career cut in half is greater than anybody's. Like, it's not close anymore. Like, you sound silly arguing.

Peyton Manning, Brett Farr, Dan Marino, John Elway. It's like, stop. Like, that's like you've had too many Heineken's. Like, stop arguing that at a sports bar. Go home. Call Uber. Like, get out of here. You're making up stuff. Like, so when I look at the whole Brady thing and Aaron Rogers and we're trying,

I was sitting there thinking this morning, I'm like, I'm watching him first two weeks and I'm like, I don't, is he close to retirement? If you didn't know what he was, there's a guy on Broadway named Norman Lear. He's 97 years. old. He just signed a three-year contract. He's going to work to be a hundred. He just won another award on Broadway. And they asked him about his age and he goes, I don't really think about it. With Brady's age, we all think about it. If you didn't know Brady's age and you just watched him, you'd be like, I was like 32. He's not, he's not 42. Watch him play. He

doesn't look close to it. So all these dominant numbers, minimum, two more years of him? Like he is the greatest American team athlete and Gretzky and MJ to me are no longer close. Even Aaron Rogers admits it. We're looking for outs. We're looking for reasons. We're looking for the hammer. It's not close. It's not even close. All right. Good to have you in. We had all sorts of stuff. We also have massive college football. We've, weekend. Jim Harbaugh, those of you who are still supporting him, I'm one. Are you bailing this weekend? An hour from now, diss or DAC? Who would you for sure take over Dak? Everything consider. Plus Nick Wright around the corner. Good stuff today. Don't go anywhere on a Wednesday.

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Listen to The Cliffer Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. I always like it when people own their stuff. I've told you about the Cleveland Browns this year. I think they have two major issues. I don't like their offensive line. I said that all summer. And I have no idea if Freddie Kitchens can coach or is completely over his head.

And I think those are the two big issues. There's another issue I said, but I didn't think it would rear its head. in week one. The third issue I said was there's a lot of mouse to feed here. What happens when Jarvis Landry gets ignored for three weeks? What happens when OBJ doesn't get fed the rock? But I thought the first two issues, offensive line in Freddie Kitchens, how good is he? You'd see early, and we have. The third issue I thought would develop by Thanksgiving. OBJ is not getting the ball. David and Joku feels ignored at tight end and he's really good. That actually reared its head in week one, which is why I said a couple days ago, this thing could unravel here in about four

weeks. I want you to think about Monday night. Freddie Kitchens acknowledged. And this was all over Twitter during the game. Like Twitter guy, Twitter guy could figure this out. Freddie Kitchens couldn't and acknowledged it this week. Why was Baker passing with two minutes left in the game? He got hurt against Tennessee and he was getting whacked by the Jets. You had a double-digit lead in the entire second half. In Joku had a concussion. Baker got hurt last week. OBJ was cramping. Get out of town. The Jets were on their third quarterback. They were no longer a threat in the last 15 minutes of the game. What were you doing? Like I knew their offensive line wasn't good and I had questions about Freddie Kitchens. But the feeding the mouth thing, like feeding the players.

You know what I think happened to Freddie Kitchens week one? He wanted to at OBJ the ball because he's in New York. And then he started, he wanted to get Jarvis Landry touches because he didn't get a lot of touches early. And they struggled with the keeping everybody happy. That's with OBJ cramping. That's with Injoko out. Nick Chubb only had the Cleveland offense with a double digit lead the entire second

half. They had 21 carries, rushing carries. That's it. Jets had more rushing yards. This, in Freddie Kitchens, yesterday admitted it. Like, what are you doing with Baker Mayfield? He's a two-time walk-on. He's not Lamar Jackson.

He's running around getting popped. Freddy Kitchens talked about it. You know, in that situation, you know, you're either going to hand the ball off and get hit in the backfield, three or four yards, or you take advantage of, you know, what they're giving you. And then when they cover it, you just got to protect yourself. I don't need him out there taking unnecessary shots.

I think Monday was a rare NFL game. You get about five of these a year. You got one with Baltimore and Miami first week. If you watch the Monday night football game, after two series, you had a sense that, oh, the Jets are not going to score tonight. They're just not going to score. They've got seven starters out. They're on their backup quarterback. Then the backup quarterback got hurt.

You're on your third quarterback. You kind of knew this is not going to be a competitive game. When you're on the road and you have a bad O line and a prized second year quarterback, a lot of times you take a lead, you just want to get out of town healthy. in Joku had a concussion. OBJ's cramping. Baker was hurt last week. Twitter could figure this out. People on Twitter were like,

why is Baker in the game? Why is Baker throwing? So the three issues for Cleveland, battle line in Freddie Kitchen, I thought we'd see immediately. We have. The third issue with Cleveland, I thought would take till Thanksgiving,

which is a lot of people to keep happy. I think Freddie Kitchens was trying to keep his receiver happy, didn't give it to Nick Chubb, didn't run the football, and now acknowledges what was I doing? If fans on Twitter can figure out stuff NFL coaches that plan on or try to beat Belichick and Andy Reid have to figure it out before us. Joy with the News. No, no, no, no, turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. So Sam Darnold was sidelines with Mono during the Jets Loss of the Browns Monday night, but he said he's feeling much better, and doctors are now hopeful that he will be able to return week five against the Eagles. Donald spoke about his recovery, and now he knew something was off after the week one loss to the bills. After the game, I think that's when my body decided to shut down. And when I came in that Monday, I was feeling terrible. And then Tuesday morning was when it really hit. That's when we did all the tests with the doctors and all that stuff.

I'm back in the facility and I'm back doing normal things. You know, it's just not able to work out or get my blood pressure up in any way. Now, if he returns week five, he'll only miss the week three game against the Patriots because they have a buy in week four. Yeah, it's an early buy. So it's kind of an interesting scenario for him. And they lucked out as far as the early buy in this situation. Well, the Jets' early schedule was going to be the toughest part of it anyway. The key to the Jets is post- Thanksgiving.

Could they reel off six or seven wins? I feel like, you know, listen, this is a reality here. injuries don't derail good teams. The Rams had injuries last year. The Patriots did. The Chiefs did. Philadelphia did. They didn't derail those teams.

Injuries completely derail bad teams. The Jags, the Jets have injuries. You can't even watch them on television. Like they're unwatchable. I love Darnold, but I almost feel like just check this year off and it doesn't matter the same as last year. A fired coach, fired GM, I feel like this year, you can just toss it away. Well, it's just disappointed because you wanted to see Darnel take a step up. You wanted to see him and Levy on Bell take the offense to the next level.

They do have a lot of injuries. And I'm not saying that won't happen. There's still a lot of time left in this season if he comes back healthy and 100% in week five. So that's more what you're looking for this year. I didn't really have any expectations of them to make the playoffs or make a run. But for this situation, Sam Donald being young, Adam Gase, Levi-on-Bel coming in this year, you just wanted to see them develop a little bit. That's really all you can ask for.

So I don't feel like this season is a loss just because they're not making the playoffs. Yeah, well, I think at least now, I think they have a smart offensive coach and a capable GM. So that's the good news for Sam Donald. When things are going poor or poorly, you have to take little wins. And the little win is at least I've got a good GM now. Well, also, Adam Gays could probably infuse a little bit of hope and inspiration and perspective on the situation. body language. Rather than, you know, hanging his head down, like, they literally just, the season is over tomorrow. They're not allowed to play anymore. Like, there's still things you can get out of this season. You can still develop.

So, you know, have a little more of a positive outlook. And the fact that they have a week four by, so he's only going to miss the next game is a good thing if he comes back in week five, obviously. So Cam Newton suffered a foot injury during the preseason, but he felt healthy enough to start the season. We know he plays hurt a lot. Well, now his status for week three is up in the air because he aggravated the injury during their loss to the bucks last. Thursday. He was in a walking boot at the Panthers facility this morning. So Kyle Allen will be the starter against the Cardinals if Cam cannot play. Kyle Allen was the number one high school quarterback in the country. I remember seeing his tape and telling somebody, that's the best high school quarterback take I think I've seen in a decade. And then Kyle Allen went and bounced around in college. You know what's funny about that division? I still don't feel like Carolina's out of it because I think nine and seven is going to win that division. I'm not so sure. Eight and eight

doesn't win that division. Seriously, like, I look at Carolina and Cam, and I'm like, that division's ugly. I mean, do you trust Atlanta? No. I don't, I mean, I picked him to win the division. I watched them against Philadelphia, and I'm like, all sorts of turn off.

Philadelphia lost all their perimeter players five minutes in, and it was a game at the end. I'm just disappointed that we didn't have a healthy Cam new in this season, because it felt like one of those years where Cam really had to have another breakout year a great year to kind of solidify his legacy and his position there with Carolina and Ron Rivera. And now it feels like they're just doomed again because he's not healthy. And I don't know that that's all his fault. He's been banged up a lot.

And he plays hurt a lot. Yeah, but I don't think Cam can be a victim of it. I mean, Cam has had a lot of good players and pro bowlers everywhere. And Cam is always, you know, I mean, again, I'm not into this. You know, like Aaron Rogers, some of those injuries, Aaron? They're on you. Andrew Luck. A lot of those hits, Andrew Luck, they're on you.

Deshawn Watson, I love you, but slide. I mean, Russell Wilson never gets hit. He doesn't have X-ray eyes. I do think that Cam takes more hits than he needs to. Because he's a big guy and he probably feels like he can. Yeah, Big Ben did the same thing for three years. It's like, get rid of the ball. By the way, Eli Manning's not a great athlete or huge.

Never hurt. He gets rid of the ball. I just think Cam is such a superstar that the NFL is better when he is playing at a high level. Yes. And it's just, I don't know that we're ever going to see that again. Finally, the Giants announced yesterday that Daniel Jones will start against the bucks instead of Eli Manning, putting Eli's future with the Giants in question. He has a full no trade clause in his contract.

Okay. And sources say he has no plans to waive it. At least for now, he will stay in New York and help Daniel Jones for his first start this weekend. He's got a bunch of young kids, too. I don't think he wants to bounce around the country. Well, also, for what? Like to prove something? What do you have to prove if you're here?

Eli Manning. He is a $23.2 million cap hit this year and is a free agent in 2020. I think we all, I mean, look, this is the situation with Eli Manning for me. It's impossible to tell someone who is not ready to move on from a sport that it's time for them to retire.

It's very easy for us to sit here and say Eli Manning should retire. If he's not ready to retire and someone is willing to pay him to play quarterback, then he should do that. We might not like the optics of it. We might not enjoy watching him play, but it's not about us.

Like, he has to get the full experience that he wants out of the NFL because he's never going to be an opportunity again in his life to play professional football. So what I like to see him retire gracefully after this year with the Giants? Yes, but there is a chance he plays again somewhere next year, as odd as that is going to be. There's a very high demand for quarterbacks. I know, but there's so many good young quarterbacks in this league. As a general manager, five years ago when half the first round quarterback,

picks were failing, I would consider it. They're all working now. Next year's going to have four, I'm told by Greg Kossel, four minimum first-round quarterbacks. We had five, and they're all working to some degree, except Donald's got mono from two years ago. I just think the sport now, I'm not going to get an old guy. There's too many good young guys.

No, I agree with you. I wouldn't take Eli Manning in that spot if I'm running a team. Oh, God, no. Because what happens if you do get a young guy, now you've got to make Eli Manning the backup, and you've got Eli Manning as your backup, and most teams do not want a, like you always say, celebrity backup. So I wouldn't want that situation. I'm just saying everyone's going to start that discussion about how he needs to retire after this year, which he probably will. But if he wants to keep playing and someone is going to pay him to keep playing, he should get the most out of his career that he wants to.

I'd be shocked if anybody paid him. And he's a Hall of Fame or too. Yeah, I can argue both ways on that. Joy with the News. Well, that's the news. Thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. You know, we're going to play top of the hour, diss or DAC, and, you know, you have all these injuries. You know, there's a lot of young quarterbacks.

Josh Allen's been way better than I thought, but he's still largely unproven. He's got a good coaching staff. Let's go to Nick Wright via the Coward Global Satellite Network. You know, I said to start the show today, September can be fools gold. Ten quarterbacks in the NFL in the first two weeks last year, had five touchdowns or more. Andy Dalton, Kirk Cousins, Blake Mortals. It can be fools gold. So we look at DAC and he's got a new coordinator and nobody's got film on

Kellyn Moore and the Cowboys are healthy and they play two lousy teams. Nick, are you buying the DAC we're watching right now? I'm giving DAC enormous credit for the DAC I've seen through two weeks this year. I didn't think we'd see this, Dak Prescott, through two weeks. He's 330 yards a game, 80% completion, a 140 passer rating. And he's not doing it with Dinkson. dunks as DAC was derided for doing early in his career. He's 11 yards per attempt. He's, if we're doing a way too early MVP rankings, he would be third for me in the entire league.

Do I think it's sustainable? Eh, no. Would I still be comfortable paying him $34 million a year? No. Do I have to open up the possibility that a light came on for him, however, once they got of Mari Cooper and look at these last 12 games, eight in the regular season, two in the playoffs, two at the beginning of this regular season, where they're 10 and two and where he's been in large part exceptional and recognize the possibility that he is now a different player. I do have to recognize that possibility, but I don't believe in changing preseason predictions or picks after one eighth of the season. Let me at least get a quarter or a third of the season before I do that. So I'm still skeptical

on Dak Prescott, the top 10 quarterback in the league, even though through two weeks he's been a top three quarterback in the league. Well, first impressions matter, and Dak came into this league as a fourth rounder. It's why for years nobody bought Russell Wilson, a third rounder. It's why five years into his career, Brady,

a six-rounder, was a system quarterback. Let's transition to Baker Mayfield, who enters the league as a number one pick and a Heisman guy. But if you look at Baker's number since he entered the league, and you compare to DAC, I mean, if they were on the same team, you'd have a backup and a starter. My takeaway on Baker is, I think it's become a hot, hype 24-7 mess in Cleveland.

I'm not sure Baker's nearly as good as 90% of the media thinks. What did you make a Monday night football where Baker still looked out of source? Baker played very poorly on Monday night. They were lucky they were playing the Jets. And I heard you talking about Freddie Kitchen's inexplicable play calling at the end of the game. The moment O'Dell took it 90 yards to the house and reminded everyone, yeah, he's still actually the best in the whole world at that. They should have never thrown the ball again. They could have taken knees the rest of the night and I'd have been fine with it.

And yet they were calling a pass play with 205 left in the game up 20. That's indefensible. That's poor coaching. I don't care what Freddie Kitchens said afterwards. Baker has not played well yet this season. I don't think it's fair to compare a quarterback. year four to Baker right now. And if you're going to say, well, Dax Rookie or Dax Rookieer, he was exceptional. I would bet money that Baker's second year is going to end up being statistically

far better than Dax's second year and the team's going to be better. But yes, first impressions matter. But a lot of that is because in sports, first impressions draft placement is based on raw talent and ability. Your guy Sam Darnold right now is living off of who he would. was in college. In the pros, he has not been markedly better than what? Josh Allen. Has he been markedly better than a guy who would be fighting for a starting job? If he wasn't, third overall pick from USC, no, but usually the talent wins out. All bet on Baker's talent, but if you want to say he's been disappointing through two weeks this year, that is totally fair and accurate. Luckily, on Monday night, he had the best receiver in the league. The guy who once upon I told you

was the most talented player in all of football, bail him out a couple times. Yeah, whatever. All right, let's move to this. I generally have kind of an action distraction meter, and I am generally not into high-maintenance players. It's a math equation. Outside of quarterbacks, even OBJ is probably worth a point. Jalen Ramsey is very interesting. He is the best corner in the league.

50 games, 50 starts. He's a large, physical, excellent tackling corner. And there are teams in this league, and I look at him and I think, if I'm a good team, and I have to face in my division, multiple star players, or there's an obstacle to the Super Bowl, I could argue Seattle having to face McVehan Gough and Gropolo and Kyler Murray, Seattle could roll the dice on the top corner and just shut the best guy out. Where do you think Jalen Ramsey? Because I think I'd roll the dice on his distraction versus action quotient.

Where would you put him? Where's the spot? Well, I mean, obviously, the team that's being attached to him and the team that would go from Super Bowl co-favorites with New England to prohibitive Super Bowl favorites happens to be the team from the city that I'm from, Kansas City. He's the best player at his position, and that is the single biggest position of need for the Kansas City Chiefs. And they are instant Super Bowl favorites with him. They might be Super Bowl favorites already. They do have the best player in the whole. league in Patrick Mahomes. I don't think Jalen Ramsey is a big distraction to the players. I think he can be a headache to the coaches, but to kind of misquote Don Draper, hey coaches, that's what

the money's for. You draft wildly talented, rich, 20-something-year-old, you deal with them. If Jalen Ramsey ends up not being a Jacksonville Jaguar, it is the way I've heard Steve Young and other people phrase it as if it is a sign of the sky falling in the NFL. It will be a sign of absolute organizational malfeasance by the Jaguars. A total failure. You take a guy in the top five. He instantly is even better than you could have been expected. As you pointed, 50 games, 50 starts, 50 times all pro level performance. He's the best guy on your team. Three things can make him happy. money playing the way he wants to play. Well, you're not winning because you've never addressed the quarterback situation adequately. No money because you won't pay him even though the rest of

his top five has gotten their second contracts and you won't let him play the way he wants to play because stylistically it doesn't fit with what your coordinator wants to do. You're 0 for three on making things relevant and making things good for your best guy. I can't imagine if FS1 was like, hey, Colin and Skip, no contract extensions, your chance. changing your shows. And by the way, we're going to do the shows without lighting. See how it's good for your ratings. You guys might want to get the hell out of here. And it wouldn't be your fault. It would be the network's fault. So the Jags not finding a way to keep Jalen Ramsey happy is a failure by them. If it ends up being he plays for my hometown,

Kansas City Chiefs, all the better. I like the Seattle fit a lot as well. I thought they maybe could have gone after Minka. They didn't want to pay the price the Steelers pay. Hey, I got 30 seconds here. I just want your takeaway. You're in New York City. think it's a perfect time for Eli to sit and Daniel to play. Josh Allen comes into your stadium, a project. And I mean, Daniel Jones is more NFL ready to me than Josh Allen. And Josh Allen beats you on Sunday. I think the timing's perfect.

How is it playing in New York? Well, I think that people were ready for the Daniel Jones era to start. But as has been many of the case with decisions made under Dave Gettleman, he tries to have it both ways and you have it no ways. If you try to drive in both lanes, sometimes you're on. the median and you crash the car. The time to bench Eli Manning was not six days ago or six hours ago. It was six months ago when you can save $17 million, hand the keys over to Daniel Jones. If you're going to let him start the year and you're going to say he might have two good years left and the owner's going to say hopefully Daniel Jones won't play all year,

you got to give him more than seven quarters of football, which is what he got. it was right for they've been over backwards last five years to do right by Eli Manning and yet still managed to disrespect him and how they binged him unless of course conspiracy theory alert this was about Eli's career record not dipping below 500 because if you don't think that would come up in the Hall of Fame meeting you're crazy he's 116 and 116 so maybe they did him a favor otherwise I thought they should have either cut him in March or giving him at least a month of football Nick Wright looks great. Football season shows doing great. First things first. Check it out. Janet, Chris as well. Good seeing you, buddy. You as well. Good to talk to you guys. Coming up next, I'm going to say something. I said it at the old place I used to work. And I haven't said it yet at the new place. And I believe it to be true. And it's why I still defend Jim Harbaugh. Plus our diss and DAC meter, I think it'll shock you at the top of next hour. It will shock you. Your thoughts on DAC?

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Do I have an upside to the product? If you're selling heart medication in America today, as a pharmaceutical sales rep, you're going to make a lot of money selling heart medication. If you're selling stuff for toe injuries, it doesn't matter how good of a salesman. You're not going to sell much stuff. I've always believed in college football. Increasingly, warm weather is a big advantage. There's just more players in Florida, Louisiana, Texas, California, than there is in Michigan,

Maine, you know, Washington, Idaho, warm weather matters. And so what I've done for years is I have assigned every college program of note a number based on 12 game schedules. And the number I would give your program

is based on if you have the right coach, are you hitting the number? Michigan to me is a 10. That means out of 12 games, if you have the right coach, they should win 10. year. I'm not going to say they should beat Ohio State. I'm not going to say they're going to go undefeated. They're in a state that has about 12 good high school football players a year.

George is in a state that has 243. George's number is an 11. And also Michigan has to play nine conference games. Georgia gets to play eight in the SEC. That's another Citadel. So I have a handful of teams in college football. I give the number. Nobody gets a 12. Nobody's going to go undefeated. I give about seven to eight teams and 11. Bama, LSU, Oklahoma. This is if you have the right coach, Oklahoma, Texas. Again, USC is the only program Denver West that should be 11. They're in a state with 240 high school football division one players and they have the biggest brand on the West Coast. My number for Michigan is somewhere between nine and a half and 10 and Harbaugh's hitting it. Jim Harbaugh took over a program, averaging six wins. He's gone 10 and 3, 10 and 3, 10 and 3,

3 of his four years. One year he went 8 and 5. They had three quarterbacks play. Wilson Spate got hurt. He's hitting his number. My number for Michigan, the state has no high school football talent of note compared to Georgia, Louisiana, Florida, Texas, California. Even Ohio doesn't compare. Okay. Ohio. State is the only northern program in the country I give an 11 to. Their state has a lot of high school football stars, and they're not the academic power. They're not academically as good as Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan, or even Washington. And so I give Ohio State the number is 10 and a half to 11. That's the Alabama territory. And I think if you've got the right coach, when Michigan's had the

wrong coach, they get eight. They're averaging 10. Nine and a half and ten. He's getting the number. Not all programs or even. Academically, Michigan's harder. The state, the weather, the geography. Northern teams don't get as many good players on recruiting day. Most kids would rather play close to home.

I've been watching on the West Coast for years. USC with bad coaching staffs still wins the recruiting race over well-coached Washington teams. Nebraska. Their numbers nine. They're Nebraska. There's no players in their state. They have to convince every kid, want to plan nine degrees? That's harder than LSU saying, hey, your high school's there. Our stadium's here. You want to come play? Yeah, my girlfriend goes to LSU.

Come on in. It's easier. And so, like, now, now, I do think Harbaugh deserves some criticism. Joel Clatt and I got into this yesterday. I do not think he has, despite winning nine and a half and I think he's hitting his number, I don't think he's done a good enough job at the quarterback position. Here's Joel Clap. I'm a huge Harbaugh fan. He's got to own this offense.

It's not getting better. Well, that's interesting that you say that because this is the least involved he's been with any of his offenses at any level. Jim Harbaugh handed the keys to his whole program offensively to Josh Gatch. who had never called plays before in his life. And now this is Josh Gattis' offense. Sounds like you're throwing Josh Gattis under a bus a little. Am I? No, it's just everybody's like, so if it fails,

Josh Gattis, get him out of here. By the way, this is Harbaugh's team. I don't want to hear about some coordinator. I don't disagree with that. But if you're going to be Jim Harbaugh and make seven large a year, I don't disagree. Josh Gattis. I got no interest banging on Josh Gattis.

Guy worked at Home Depot last year, and now you're blaming the whole downfall on him. I got Greg Gattis over here taking shots. Goddus over here. So I'll bang on hardball for that. He's not done well enough as a former NFL quarterback. He's not done well enough a quarterback. That he deserves criticism for. But I give every college a number. You could, Joy, you could throw a college to me. I'd throw me a Wisconsin's eight and a half. And they overachieve. Paul Chris gets you to nine. So that coaching staff is overachieving. Washington, the number's

eight and a half. Chris Peterson's getting a nine and ten. They're overachieving. USC's number is closer to 11, and they're getting to like 7 and 8. You've got to make a change. So everybody's got a number. I just put Michigan's number at 9.5 to 10 based on academics, weather, state. Hardbaugh's hitting the number. I don't want to hear about Josh Gaddis, though. I'm over that Gaddis kid.

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And on my podcast, The Clivert Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me. He goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Come on out. Quarterback on office blue 42.

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Tennessee and Jacksonville, they're about ready to move off Marcus Marioo. Ryan Tano could be starting there real quick in Tennessee. That's too good of a football team to not. be able to beat the Colts at home with Jacoby Percette. Yeah, that's a bad loss. That's one of those losses that leaves a mark. Like that, that's Marcus Mariotta. Certain times teams bail on their quarterback.

They just don't make it public. Tennessee has bailed on Mariotta. They're not going to take it public. It'll ruin the locker room because people like him. I mean, I don't know how much more you needed to see. Ryan Tanna Hill and Miami. There were games. You're like, okay, we bailed.

Like, I think Chicago knows, Trebisky's not the guy. They can't announce it and blow up the season, so they're going to publicly support him, just like companies I've worked at. They make decisions on people very early. They're not going to publicly announce it, but companies move off people before they officially move off people. I think Tennessee's moved off Mariotta psychologically, emotionally.

That staff's moved off him. They got a new offensive coordinator. Another new one for Marioita. He's still always hurt and dinged, and this doesn't work. They've moved off him. So I was talking about DAC. You know, it's first impressions matter. You know, they really do.

They say women, it takes eight minutes to decide if they'll, hook up with you and it takes guys about eight seconds. So, you know, we're a little more primal and stupid. But the point being is people make decisions very quickly in relationships on, and first impressions matter. And Baker Mayfield comes into the league as a number one pick. If Baker Mayfield was a fourth round pick, we would be making fun of his first 12 NFL games. He's a turnover machine.

He's wildly inconsistent. But everybody's to, oh, Baker's unbelievable. Why? Because he beat Cincinnati twice last year? since Baker-Mayfield started in this league as a quarterback? He leads the NFL interceptions. But he started a heisman. Oh, look it over here.

He's got underwear commercial. Dak starts as a fourth-round pick, and we still doubt him. Russell Wilson for three years won a Super Bowl. We still doubted him. Brady, there's still people that call him a system quarterback. How you enter the league matters. It really, really does. And so Dak Prescott comes into this league, and he's been nothing but great.

He was great at his first preseason game against the Rams in the Coliseum in Los Angeles. He was great. And so we were talking about it this morning. If you just took, if you considered everything, you considered availability, maturity, arm size, talent, it quality, everything. And there is an it quality to Dak that I think is really special. I don't think. Just take out four guys. He's not Brady.

He's not Rogers. He's not Russell Wilson. and he's not Mahomes. No reasonable person thinks he is. Take those four out. He's not Aaron. He's not Russell Wilson. He's not Brady.

And he's not Mahomes. I don't think he's Andrew Luck, but Andrew Luck retired. So there's five guys. Let's not even make the argument. But then you start looking around the NFL and we're going to play a game. And I want to consider everything. Leadership, maturity, availability. ability, armed talent, it quality.

Stephen Jones of the Cowboys yesterday, you know, co-owner with Jerry of the Cowboys, was talking about DAC and his contract, and even he mentioned the it quality, which is a real thing. Where the money is and no one deserves it more than him, and no one roots harder for that weekend and week out than Jerry and myself. All right, so they're going to give him the money. You know, it's going to be 35 or 32, whatever it is,

a little more than I'd be comfortable, but I get it. He wins. and paid on winning. So we're going to play a game called Diss or Dack, which quarterback, take out the big four next five years, because the contract's going to be a four or five year. Who would you take? Here we go.

Really think DAC isn't worth $30 million a year? It's time to find out if he is actually one of the best quarterbacks in the league as we force Colin to choose between Diss or Dack. All right. Next five years. Would you rather have Carson Wendon. or Doc? That is one of the easier ones today.

I'd take Carson Wentz. Now, I think Carson Wentz and Patrick Mahomes in terms of size, it, leadership, arm strength, are transformational players. The difference is Mahomes got to sit for a year. Learn under Alex Smith had Andy Reed. Carson Wentz had to play,

got hurt, got hurt again. Wentz, to me, is a different level of talent. I only put Mahomes in his class in terms of size, arm, athletic, mobility, smarts, pre-snap, coachability. I think Wentz is a totally different class of quarterback. I think for the injuries I'm taking Dak. Would you rather have Goff or Dak? Again, sometimes I don't get the criticism of certain players.

I would take golf. He throws, outsider Russell Wilson, and Patrick Mahom's one of the best. deep ball throwers in the league. If you like Matt Ryan, how do you not like Jared Gough? He's basically, yes, he needs a better offensive line. He's not terribly athletic. Either's Tom Brady. Jared Gough's really good.

Well, he's got Sean McVeigh. Find me the great quarterback with a nothing burger as head coach. They don't exist. Every good quarterback. Marino, Shula, Brady Belichick, Monta. They all have good quarterbacks. Yes, Gough is elevated. by Sean McVey.

So is Garapolo with Kyle Shanahan. You don't think Dax elevated by that offensive line, Zeke Amari? You don't think it helps a little bit, so I would take golf over Dack. I also would take Gough. Would you rather have Jimmy Garoppolo or Dach? It's close this morning? I'd take Dack. Okay.

I think Dack is a better athlete. Dac doesn't have two injuries. I like Garoppolo, and that's how I feel about Dac. I like DAC, but I was really disturbed by Jimmy Garoppolo and the adult film star in Beverly Hills. Come on, you're a franchise quarterback. I don't love that judgment. And that kind of off-field judgment has sometimes worried me about his throwing judgment. So this is really close, but if you're talking availability, athletic, Garapolo's got a better arm,

but sometimes Jimmy's off-field, non-field judgment has been immature. I'd take slightly, very, very slightly, DAC. I'm also taking DAC there. Would you rather have Matt Ryan or DAC? I ask the staff not to put this one up. Let me come back to this one later. Okay. I got a lot of stuff.

I'm still filing through on that one. Okay. Would you rather have the Sean Watson or DAC? Okay, this may surprise you. But in this instance, it's like Garoppolo. It's an inch. I think I'd take DAC and here's one. Why? Because you're asking me next five years.

DeShan, the knock on Dak, he's not really a natural thrower. I completely agree. I don't think Deshawn's a great natural thrower. I also, I worry that DAC is an ascending player. I worry that Deshawn Watson sort of plays one way, and the way he plays is going to put him into harm's way. Like a lot of quarterbacks, Russell Wilson now runs less. Russell could play two ways.

I can run and win. I can pocket rarely run and win. Steve Young did that. I can win running. I can win passing. I wonder if Deshawn Watson's way to win is why he gets dinged up. Like this is the way he plays. And I worry that Dak, I think Dak can win more ways.

Strictly pocket. He's not the athlete Deshawn. So again, this is narrow by an inch. I think I'd take Dak. Would you rather have Derek Carr or Dak? Derek's a better natural thrower. He's had a major injury. Derek's really funny.

First of all, I think Derek's a franchise quarterback. Can we stop about trading Derek Carr? He's a franchise quarterback. He is a better natural thrower. He reminds me a lot of Tony Romo. But I would say there's an availability. There's a leadership thing. There's a toughness thing.

mobility thing, I'd take DAC. I also am taking DAC there. Would you rather have Lamar Jackson or DAC? Dak, I'll tell you why. Folks, let's slow, I like Lamar. But Miami and Arizona do not a career make. Okay, the other thing about it is, Dax's a bigger, stronger athlete.

Lamar to this point has been an excellent runner and has beaten two lousy teams. Lamar's only played one team twice, the Chargers, and by the second time they figured him out, everybody's seen Dak now. He's faced the Steelers. He's faced the Eagles multiple times, the Giants multiple times.

Okay, Dak's seen everybody two and three times, and he's beating people two and three times. Lamar has not proven to me he can beat Pittsburgh, Cleveland, facing them twice a year. I am still not 100% sold on Lamar as a five-year. Is he going to be here starting in five years? I think with Dak, I know. Big game for him Sunday against the Chiefs

to see how good he really is. Would you rather have Sam Darnold or Doc? Well, athletically, I think Darnold's better. Arm, I think Darnold's slightly better. Well, actually, he is better, arm. Now, the difference is I take Sam Darnold, the offensive lines amass, he inherited garbage. I still think Sam Darnold's fantastic, but he's got mono.

His head coach Adam Gase and Greg Williams, I'm told, do not get along. It's bad ownership. So unlike Dack that inherited the best offensive line in the league in Zeke, I think Darnold's going to have to, over time, in the next five years, at some point, we will all acknowledge in the next five, okay, Donald's better. It will not look like that for the next year. And so this goes to the Kobe and Shaq trade years ago. The Lakers kept the right guy Kobe.

But for two years, Shaq was winning a title. And so I had to eat a dirt sandwich and say, okay, Shaq. No, no, no, no. Kobe was long term, the better player, the healthier player, the more committed player. It's going to take a couple years, Darnold's better than Dack. I'm taking Dack. You love Sam Darn. Really, Craig Williams and Adam Gates don't get along?

Can't stand each other. I've been told they can't stand each other. They just don't talk in the hallways. I love the Jets. All right. Would you rather have Baker Mayfield or Dack? I like Dack. I literally people roll their eyes at this.

maturity, who would you rather have? Leadership, size, athletic ability? Now, Baker's a way better thrower. But I've said before, everybody questions, why do you bang on Baker? I say the same thing. You don't think off-field bad judgment ever translates to on-field. Doesn't he leave the NFL in picks since he started? Isn't that a judgment thing?

Like the police video, judgment thing? Like none of that stuff now matters. It mattered with Mansell. It mattered with James Winston. It doesn't matter at all. Like, judgment doesn't matter at all. How does it not? There's a small correlation.

I think it's more of discipline. I don't, I think I, if you're telling me today, a guy I can roll with for five years, I'm not going to deal with it. I'm taking DAC also. I'm not dealing with a nonsense. It's not a wide margin, but I'm taking DAC. Would you rather have Ben Rothesberger or DAC? Oh, Dak, yeah.

I mean, Ben's 37. Ben's hurt. Yeah, I mean, I... Not over his whole career. No. No. Yeah, I take, yeah. I mean, Ben's 37, he's hurt, and he's had accuracy.

I think he's had declining accuracy issues. That's why when New England played him in week one without A-B, they just said, beat us on precision routes. He can't. He needs a big player receiver. He's a big-play quarterback. But next five years, I take Dak. All right. Finally, you asked us to wait, so we're giving it to you again.

Would you rather have Matt Ryan or Doc? I would take Matt Ryan because with two to three different coordinators, he has clicked. And now he was better with Kyle Shanahan. But even last year, with a new coordinator, he was like off the charts. I think Matt Ryan, I don't, not much of an athlete. He's a lot like Jared Goff. He needs a good offensive line. But last year they had a bad offensive line, and he still had 35 touchdown throws.

So I don't want to live in the moment. As a precision thrower pre-snap, Matt Ryan's a different level right now today than Dak Prescott. So it's Matt Ryan. For the next five years. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think Maddie just got into his prime. So I think Maddie's next four years are his best years.

I'm taking back. but so I was um I mean I yeah and by the way again so it all told I would take wence over him golf over him Sam Darnold Sam Darnold Sam Darnold Matt Ryan Patrick Mahomes Aaron Rogers Russell Wilson Tom Brady I'm trying to think anybody else in the league so that's that's uh that's eight guys absolutely eight guys absolutely That's pretty high rating for DAC. Well, I'm saying look around. I mean, I 100% agree with you.

I don't get the pushback on DAC. I truly don't understand it. No, I do because I do think when you, like Greg Coselle says, it's not pretty on tape. Like he throws behind guy. I mean, Goulet is a cowboy guy. He misses open guys. He throws behind guys.

And I do think there's a big component to DAC is he inherited the best offensive line at the time easily in the NFL. I mean, your situation matters. Patrick Mahomes is in a great situation. Dak Prescott's in a good situation. But you can watch Mahomes play and watch that arm and you're like, okay. He's in a different category altogether. But speaking of categories, at the end of the day, when you put the statistics up, there isn't a column for pretty wins and ugly wins.

No. Just wins and losses. No, but when you pay players a lot of it, like Tebow won, Sanchez won. You do pay players. Not on the level that Dak is winning. No, no. Well, I mean, Sanchez did. Sanchez got the back-to-back AFC championship.

he beat Peyton Manning in the playoffs, he beat Brady and Foxborough. Mark Sanchez won a lot of games. Right, but you've got to pay someone what the market is. People are overreacting to the number. But I'm saying win, just winning is overrated. Because Tebow won, Sanchez won, Tribisky's winning. So at some point, by the way, all Alabama quarterbacks win. Tua is the only one going in the first round.

They've all won 11 games a year. So you do have to at some point, as a GM, look at talent and go, or look at wins and go, okay, is it a product of the coach? Is it a product of the system? I mean, Trubisky, there's no way I'm extending him at this point. And by the way, he's going to average 11 wins a year. But more than winning, it's, it's, there are other factors with DAC that are valuable. So it's not just the winning.

Like the winning is important, the games that he's winning and the consistency that he's winning with what's been going on around him with the Cowboys. Okay, so ask yourself with Trubisky. Everybody says the same thing. Alpha, leader, responsible, amazing. But I think Dax better than him. I do, too. But I think I do. But why do you?

It's not the wins. It's what your eyes tell you. Yes, I think he is more talented than him. Right, right. But right now, Trabiski on the defense, the leadership alpha it. Well, Trubisky's Dax equal. They're winning the same amount of percentage of games. But your eyes are telling you Dax better.

That's what my eyes are telling me. So when it comes, like Dachan Watson's a really tough one for me. Because my eyes tell me that Dachshund. No, he's so fun to watch. Yeah. But I watch his style and I'm thinking, Is it a layered style or is, by the way, Andrew Luck got Frank Reich and changed his style. Like he literally went to a different style.

It's like, I'm not running, I'm sliding. I mean, he markedly changed when he got the new coach. I don't know if Deshawn, I think his games is game. Like in the NBA, you always say, guys games is, Russell Westbrook's games is game. And he also hasn't had an offensive line. So part of that is his game and what he's had to change his game into in order to stay standing up. Bruce Gradkowski, pro football focus, PFF.com's got some thoughts on this first two weeks of the NFL where people were putting up cartoon numbers. Is it fools gold in September?

Dak, Lamar, I mean, you know, I mean, we kind of felt at the end of last year, Trebisky was a little bit of fools gold. And that lasted well into October and November, December. That's coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in.

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And on my podcast, The Clifford Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me. He goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Come on. Quarterback on office blue 42.

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Check local listings for the game in your area. I'll tell you. Packers didn't get any breaks. They had to open with the Bears defense, then the Vikings defense, and the Broncos defense. And I think Aaron's going to go 3 and O. But he's not going to look elegant here for the first month because Green Bay schedule was heavy pass rushes, very good. good defensive guys. Vic Fangio, Chicago, Minnesota. You've got to slow down on criticizing Aaron right now. He opened with three really good defenses, three really good defensive coordinators.

Green Bay is going to start humming offensively, but that's a tough way to start for any offense. The good news they're 2 and 0. Bruce Radkowski played in the NFL for over a decade. Now works with pff.com. Let's join him via the Coward Global Satellite Network. He now is their quarterback guy. So you look at, you have the grading, you look at all the tape, we were just talking about DAC. I like him more than most, but I do think September can be Fool's Gold. The weather's perfect. Your offensive lines healthy. What does the film say on DAC so far? What's legit and what's a little bit of fools gold? Well, you're right, Colin. And believe me, I spent all night, Sunday night into Monday pulling an all-nighter grade in these guys. And I'll tell you

what, I'm high on DAC as well. I know he hasn't had the toughest opponents, but I'll tell you what, he's comfortable, he's in a groove. It always takes to about your fourth or fifth year as a quarterback to get comfortable. You can tell the way he's playing, he is comfortable right now. Kellyn Moore understands what DAC enjoys, what he likes to operate, the play action pass, the boots, the setups, the shifts, the motions. They are in sync rate. now with Dallas and I'll tell you what, I'm high on him as well just because the confidence level that Dak is playing with right now. Yeah, I mean, listen, Brady and Josh McDaniel, there's a reason the Patriots paid him seven figures. They connect. Your offensive coordinator is an

extension of you. You find a good one. They can elevate you. Kyle Shanahan to Matt Ryan took him to an MVP season. Listen, I'm not a huge fan of Baker's nonsense personality-wise, but he's a very accurate thrower of the football. His offensive line's not very good, and I have no idea if Freddie Kitchens can work in this league. Their third down percentage this year has not been good. Last year, Baker was very good on third down. It's not very good this year.

What does the film say? Is it the line? Is it decision-making? He has not looked strong yet, Bruce. I'll tell you what. It's both. I mean, Baker plays a major part in the sacks in the third-down. conversions, as well as Freddie Kitchens. I'll tell you what, let's not forget. Baker Mayfield

is still a very young quarterback. He's only started, what, 10 games overall in his career right now. So let's give him a little bit of a break and understand his confidence, his demeanor. It makes us want to judge him as a 10-year NFL veteran. But I look at the defenses he's been playing. They've been doing a great job disguising coverage, the Titans going through different looks, It's giving you a too high safety look and not just inverting and making it go to a single high safety, but then taking the too high, rotating, and then going to a different type of cover too. So Baker Mayfield is playing a little indecisive. He's hesitant with the football because these defenses are giving him different looks.

So Baker Mayfield has not seen everything yet. He's still a young quarterback. Him and Freddie Kitchens have to get on the same page. help the offense line out. I've given Baker-Mayfield about three sacks that he has to own up to an account for because it's not just the offensive line. It's holding the ball too long in the pocket, getting rid of the football, also seeing what the defense is doing and picking the right side versus the appropriate coverage.

So I see a lot of that calling as well, that he's just getting a little confused, he's thinking too much, and it's having a tendency for him to hold the ball. ball a little bit too long in the pocket. Over the last couple of years, the Steelers have lost four elite players. Levian Bell, now Big Ben, Antonio Brown, and of course the terrible injury to Ryan Shazir. That's four elite players. Can Mason Rudolph walk into this current roster? Can they win games? I mean, what does the film say on him in Pittsburgh? I'll tell you what. My heart first goes out to Ben. I know this was a big year for him. He was a excited. It hurts him not to be there with his guys, especially the way the Steelers have started

out this season. But I'll tell you what, Colin? Mason Rudolph, he might not have the biggest hands for being a big guy and playing in that weather in Pittsburgh and Cleveland that you're going to face. I worry about that a little bit. But I'll tell you what, he has the grit, he has the determination, he wants to get the job done, and he's going to execute your offense. And I think the Steelers need that right now. The biggest thing for Mason Rudolph, he has to get in that huddle, he has to make the guys around him believe he will give them an opportunity. He gives them a chance to win week in and week out. Look, the Steelers still are going all in, traded for Minka Fitzpatrick. They're making a point that, listen, our season's not done yet. We're still going to go after

this thing. I'll tell you what, Colin. I see Rudolph leading that sleigh in the, in the of January for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Finally, Teddy Bridgewater. Not a great arm, but like Drew Bree's, accurate, coachable, detailed, leadership qualities. What is the grading in the film say? Didn't have a great game against the Rams, but Aaron Donald made things miserable for the Saints offensive line. How do you land on Teddy Bridgewater of the Saints?

Well, you said it. Last week wasn't ideal. I mean, he graded for us at a 39.1. that's definitely not winning football. But he gets a week to prepare as a starter. That communication between him and Sean Peyton, what he's comfortable running, the communication with the offensive line,

the amount of reps he gets with his wide receivers, and his running backs and getting on the same page. But I'll tell you what, Colin, this can't last long the way he played last week because you have a guy behind him and Taseham Hill. I'll tell you what, that dude is a football player. He's a beast. Look how defense's struggle to figure out how to play Lamar Jackson. So if you have Tayson Hill as your starting quarterback, how do you face him?

Do you load everyone in the box to try to stop the run? Now you give him one-on-one targets outside, and he could complete those. So I'll just tell you, there's a very close eye on Teddy Bridgewater and the Saints because they can't afford to lose many games. And I think with Taysam Hill, they always have a chance with the way they can mix up their packages. But Champaign always does a great job. He'll put Teddy Bridgewater in the right

situations. And like I said, he has a full week to prepare as the starter. So we'll see what this takes. And look, they're facing a good team in Seattle. All right. Whether it's gambling, fantasy football, you're just to armchair GM. Go to pff.com, premium stats and analysis. I go to it every day.

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This is the herd line news. So Jalen Ramsey requested a trade from the Jaguars this week, and according to teams that have reached out to Jacksonville, the team is now reportedly looking for two first round picks in exchange for Ramsey. No, come on. That's for a corner, that's way too much. I agree. Despite the high asking price, two unnamed teams have reportedly made offers. One NFC team offered a 2020 first round pick and a 2021 fifth round pick.

Now, that's what you should get. Yeah, that's two draft picks. Or how about a first round pick and is there a situational player you like? Right. So an AFC team offered a 2020 first round pick and a play. player. That's what I would take. Yeah, I mean, if, yeah, I mean, to me, I want, if I could get two guarantees,

a guy in the league who's a star and another guy in the league, I mean, or I want, I want more guarantees with all my trades. Right. So if you could give me. The better, the better situation for me is the AFC team offer of a 20-20 first-on pick. And a player. I take that every day. Yes.

Yeah, over two draft picks. Yeah, because you don't know what you're going to get in the draft. And a fifth round draft pick two years from now is something you toss in another trade, basically. If you go back to fifth round picks, I'm dead serious. I don't know the number. I bet you 30% don't play. Yeah, the bust rate in the draft is... Fifth round is high.

Yes. So there are two teams that I think are that are out there also and make the most sense of the Chiefs and Seattle Seahawks. It makes sense, yeah. If the money is right. Now, the Chiefs, to me, make the most sense because they are, their biggest concern is, is Tom Brady and the Patriots. And AB and Josh Gordon and there's a matchup issue there. Right. So if you can get Jalen Ramsey. And again, he's 24 years old.

He starts every game. He's completely reliable and he's the best in the league. So what is, what are you holding onto a draft pick for and a situational player? Like that is an investment where you know exactly what you're going to get. So you have enough tape on him. You know what he is. That's worth paying the money for if you have it. So to me, that just makes sense. So Drew Brees injured the thumb on his throwing hands Sunday against the Rams after being told he would need surgery. He looks for a second opinion. He got the same answer from both doctors, so he's set to have surgery to repair the thumb. Sean Payton told reporters this morning. The Saints do not

plan on putting him on the IR. He was given an initial recovery time of six weeks. We were just talking about Teddy Bridgewater with Bruce, and he mentioned Taysam Hill, which is an interesting situation that they have there because Taysam Hill is a... Oh, he's the best, he may be the best athlete on the Saints. Yeah, he's a very dynamic player. And the other thing, Joy, is if you didn't You don't have a lot of film on him. You throw Taysen Hill in just for a game. It's like when Lamar came in the league. You just, you have like Kyler Murray.

What is Taysam Hill? Right. And I mean, I think six weeks is very optimistic, but let's say that Drew Brees is back in six weeks. They are at Seattle this week. Then they have the Cowboys and Buccaneers at home. And they're at Jacksonville, at Chicago. And then they have the Cardinals at home. I'll make a prediction.

They'll go four and two. Yeah, it's not a bad schedule to be out if you're to be in this situation. It could be a lot worse. But that is, of course, assuming that Drew Breeze is going to come back within that timeline. They would have Atlanta at home if he misses exactly six weeks. And if you look at that division, incredibly choppy. Like Cam may not, Cam won't play this week. You don't trust Tampa.

And I think we like Atlanta. There's no guarantees with Atlanta. No, that division can go any which way, depending on the wind blowing. So I think they're in a, they're in the best position they could be in for this type of injury. to happen. But the Teddy Bridgewater, Jason Hilton will be something to watch. Finally, the rise of social media has given athletes a platform to obviously connect with fans, but it also opens them up to a lot of criticism. And Joe Namath joined Tom Brady in his weekly interview with Jim Gray on Monday,

and they discussed how different media coverage is today compared to when Namath was in the league. It is a different world. Everyone having a phone, including myself, that you can take pictures with. Yesterday year, I really felt lucky in Manhattan being able to keep a low profile at times. I was able to stay below the radar when I felt like it today. I don't think I feel that comfortable. You think in the advent of social media, the one thing that's been really cool for me is I get to have my own voice and in my own words. It's very different than when Joe played, or certainly early in my career, and it does take

up some discretionary amount of time, but you don't feel like when you say something that's going to be taken out of context. doing it yourself. Imagine Joe Namath keeping a low profile. I also love a quote when you can say yesteryear. Anytime you can fit yesteryear in a sentence. You know, I met Joe Namath twice, and I asked him all the questions. I hosted an event with him in New York once. I interviewed him once. It was one of the, he's such a nice guy. He tells, you know, there's just certain people in America that have way better stories than you and I do. Yeah. Joe Namath was, he was the number one Bachelor in America's number one city for a decade.

Joe Namath stories are... And it's not a shy person. And by the way, when he told the stories in front of the group, he's like, now, Colin, this does not make the air, right? And I'm like, no promises, Joe. You know, I talk a lot. He told stories. Joe Namath tells story.

He is so gracious and such a wonderful guy. Well, I think a lot of old school players are appreciative of the fact that they did not play in the social media era because it does offer a lot of benefits. Like Tom Brady said, you can kind of control your own narrative. And if you use it properly, you can obviously make a lot of money. But there are huge implications to having social media that I think most guys who've played before this exploded are very grateful that they didn't have to deal with. I enjoy with the news. Well, that's the news.

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I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me. He goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Quarterback on office blue with 42. Hey, rep, my mama want you to wave at her.

What? Where's she at? Hey, Miss Parker. Listen to the Cliverts show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. By the way, I'm just listening to a Troy Aikman podcast. He did with Sports Illustrated where he's banging on the NFL for the number of penalties. One thing he points out, it just ruins the flow of a game. NFL's got so many penalties.

Now everybody, and this is what happens. New Orleans, oh, bad call. Let's review pass interference. How you review pass interference in slow-mo, it's ridiculous. I mean, you got to call that bad. bang, bang, what you see. Everything looks more damaging in slow-mo, right? Yeah, everything comes.

They slow it down. And it looks more dramatic and, oh, that's a big slap. And in real time, it's like that on your hand. Absolutely. So, all right, Dak Prescott, MVP, huge numbers. Right. You're all in. All the way in.

Now, it's not always pretty with Dak. No, it's not all the way pretty. But I think we have enough of a sample size to know that he's trending upward. He's going to play that way. Since Amari Cooper has gotten there, he has played it up. a high level. The last eight games of last season, two playoff games, then you go and you watch how he's performed this year. I think you have to begin to believe that DAC is going to be a guy that kind of ascends much like Russell Wilson. Much like Tom Brady. Yes. And so we've talked

about it. The Tom Brady thing is very interesting because Dak Prescott started out his career as a game manager. And as he goes along and as he gets more comfortable and as he and Killen Moore develop a relationship, I think you will see him be the franchise quarterback that everyone wants to You know, what I worry about with quarterbacks, and I'll give you Sam Darnold. I worry at Sam Darnold. The Jets coach doesn't like the defensive coordinator. There's discord. I'm told all over the Jets staff.

That's what I worry about. Dack comes into a good place. Josh Allen, I think Buffalo's got a really good coaching staff. They never put in positions to fail. Lamar Jackson, it's hard to argue it, but it is Arizona, Miami. So where do you land on that stuff? Look, man, I think Lamar Jackson has been terrific. And the one thing, John Harbaugh, he let us know that they were

changing their offense. They were looking to revolutionize the game, especially as it came to do a threat quarterbacks, and they've done that. Lamar Jackson is basically playing in a hybrid version of the offense that he played in at Louisville. You're seeing him do to read option stuff. He didn't do that much at Louisville,

but the passing game is very similar to what he did for Bobby Petrino. A lot of end-breaking routes, a lot of quick rhythm throws, some RPO's mixed in, and then they are throwing the ball down the field. And Lamar Jackson is a guy. He can throw the deep poles. We saw him. In a critical situation against Arizona, two minutes left, he throws a shot down the boundary to Hollywood Brown that is on the mark.

And so I think he came in and there were a lot of questions, could he throw it well enough? And I'm not saying he's ever going to be a high-end passer, but if he can throw it well enough to go with the other stuff that he brings, that offense is going to be difficult to defend because you always have to account for him in the running game. Former player and a scout second round pick. Bucky Brooks now at the NFL Network.

You know, I started talking about today is that we always considered like Wayne Gretzky, not individual sports like tennis or golf or Tiger Woods or Jack or Serena or Federer. But in team sports, it was always like Michael was the best and Wayne Gretzky was the best. And I look at Tom Brady, you can literally cut his career in two halves. And you can argue that both halves. He's the greatest quarterback of all time. Only Joe Montana could argue him out of both. And I look at him as the greatest, is there something beyond the football that impresses you?

I think just the entire package. Like the last few weeks, we've talked to a lot of coaches on the Moons' Sixth podcast. I'll plug that. We've talked to a lot of coaches. Mack Brown, we've talked to Bob Stoops. And all of them, we asked them about the quarterback position and what is important. And to Amanda, the number one thing that they cite, leadership. Leadership, toughness, then it comes down to accuracy and decision-making.

Well, Tom Brady might be the best leader that we've ever seen. Just listen to his former teammates and his current teammates talk about him. We've never heard a teammate come out and say anything bad about the way he handled situations. Even Pippen later years banged on MJ. Yes. We've never heard anything negative about the way Tom Brady leaves. The way that he tried to make a connection with Antonio Brown right away. The way that he is connected with Josh Gordon, stories go on and on and on about what Tom Brady has done.

Tom Brady, to me, is a very selfless quarterback. at a lot of times quarterbacks are me, me, me guys. Tom Brady is one willing to be coached. He's willing to play the game the way that it needs to be played to win. And the only thing he's consumed about is winning. That is unique and rare to find in a quarterback. I remember Howie Long's saying once he was joking.

He goes, you can never have two actors or two quarterbacks in the same room. They've got to own their room. Yes. To your point, Brady is willing to, you know, accessorize with all these great players. And he doesn't have this insecurity that he feels like. it takes away from him. He's very much, he's very secure in what he's accomplished, what he's done. I mean, I think it speaks volumes. Let's just look at the situation. And I'm not going to say that

Ben Rothesberger is to blame for what took place in Pittsburgh. But we heard reports coming out of Pittsburgh about Ben Rothersberg's best friend or person saying, hey, he elevated Antonio Brown. Well, you're not going to get that kind of stuff from Tom Brady. Tom Brady wants more good players because more good players makes him a better player. It makes it easy for him. We saw the first half of the Miami game. A.B. is on the field. Josh Gordon's on the field.

Julian Ellerman. This offense now looks dynamic and explosive, and it's an easier game for Tom Brady. As you get older, they need more help around them so they can do their thing. And Tom Brady has been time and time again. He's been willing to just play his part, to be a part of the team,

not to try and act like he is the entire team. Okay, you were a defense. back in the NFL, you were also a scout. What would you give up for Jalen Ramsey, who I think is the best corner in the league? He's a big, long, physical, doesn't get hurt. He is the prototypical cornerback that every defensive coordinator would love to have. You're talking about a world-class athlete with an all-pro set of skills as a football player. Talk about a guy to jump 24, 25 feet, long jump at Florida State. So this is a legitimate world-class athlete. Then you get on the field. He can do whatever you want to see. He can backpedal, he can press, he can play up, he can play off, he tackles, he has size, he has athleticism, he has the feistiness and dog in him that you want because he's ultra-competitive. He is everything that you want in the position. I don't think it can be too expensive of a price to get a guy like that. I think the thing that you have to have in place, though, you have to have a coach who can

handle a strong personality. Not that Jalen Ramsey is disruptive, but he has a strong personality. Who is comfortable dealing with someone like that? I think Kansas City comes to mind to me. Andy Reed. And Andy Reed has dealt with everybody from Deshaun Jackson to Marcus Peters and on. He resurrected Michael Vick's career? He will be fine. He took a lot of heat for that.

With a Jalen Ramsey. In fact, Jalen Ramsey would really help them because it would give Steve Spagnullo an opportunity to put Jailen Ramsey on one side, lock it down, and then zone the other side. So now you have the ability to do the Dion Sanders-like defense, where you can take a half of the field away and make them throw to where you load the coverage. for Kansas City. Kansas City doesn't need a top 10 defense. They need a top 15 defense to be able to win because their offense is going to score points. They just need to be able to get two or three stops a game to win games. Jalen Ramsey will help them do that. By the way, 30 seconds left, all these young quarterbacks are working. My guess is Daniel Jones and the Giants. It's a decent old line. Yes, it's a decent old line. Eli Manning wasn't to blame for all of their woes, but look, it's time to go to usher in the youth movement. You have Daniel Jones, Sequin Barkley, Evan Ingram, and then Sterling Shepard. Grow that nucleus. Let them play these last 14 games. See what Daniel Jones

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Discover.com slash travel. Rob Parker is the most frugal person I've ever met in my life. It's a running joke at the company. So I just said to Rob Parker is joining us, co-host of the odd couple. Let's hear it, by the way, one-year anniversary. One year, yes. It's the fastest-growing show.

It is, actually, the fastest-growing sport show in America right now. Rating's fastest growing. Doing very well. Very happy. You and Bruce Hart are great, and I'm glad we've got you. So just for fun here, tell the audience, the level you go to, your frugality, the tea bag story. Yes.

When I go to the airport, I refuse to buy a $3 cup of tea. So I carry my own tea bags, and usually I can work my way into a free cup of hot water. And then I'll use the sugar and stir from them as well. So usually I don't pay. Sometimes they make me pay 50 cents, but I refuse to pay $3 for a cup of tea. It's not worth it. And by the way, you make a very solid living. Yes.

It's not about the money. It's just a price. principal. You have a barbershop in Detroit that's like IBM up there. It's just an ATM machine and it doesn't you're going to literally die with $32 million and you're going to have the headstone. Didn't spend any of it. Exactly.

Give me one more. Frugality. One more. Give me one more. Okay. Sometimes these hotels have these promotions. Every two stays you get a free night. Right? So every two stays. So what I'll do is if I have a four night

stay somewhere, I'll make four individual reservations. So then I'll get two free nights out of the four night stay. Sometimes they let me stay in the room. Sometimes they say, well, you got to pack up and move to the other room if we check you out. And I have no problem doing it if I can get

two free rooms out of it. Joy, that makes sense, does you? I think that's a great idea. I would get annoyed with having to change rooms, because I like to unpack. Sure, so long. When I get to a hotel, I like to be digging through my bag. That would be annoying. Have you ever been in a space where they've checked you out and you couldn't be in your room for a few hours because the other one wasn't ready?

No, that hasn't happened. Usually it is. I get to stay in my room every once in a while. They'll say you need to move. It's an amazing trait. I don't know what to make of it. Rob Parker joining us. So you had something a couple days ago, and I know you believe what you say because I've known you for 10 years now.

So you had a tweet yesterday. I want to put this tweet up. This was this morning. And people are freaking out, but you absolutely believe what you said because Eli Manning's been benched, I guess, and read the tweet. It's funny. People say that Eli Manning is a bum, but Tom Brady is the goat.

Yet Eli beat Brady and the Patriots twice in the Super Bowl. Eli, not anyone else, won the Super Bowl MVP in both games with throws Brady wishes he could make. In a big game, I take Eli over Brady any day. And I'll stand by that. When people look at Eli's career and they say, oh, he's a bum, he shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.

I think that's total nonsense. When you can beat, he beat the 18 and O Patriots. He also was the one who made the two big throws. We saw Tyreek and Manningham. Mario Manningham, by the way. Which is an unbelievable throw in Super Bowl history. David Tyree catch, people make a lot of. But that was kind of, it's, Tyree was this giant tight end.

It stuck to his helmet. The Mario Manningham throw was in a box the size of a football. Down the sideline. It was actually, it is his greatest throw. was a professional. It was a perfect throw in a tiny little football-sized window, and it's the only throwing Mario Manningham's career and David Tyreeks' career that we remember. So to your point, Eli's two greatest throws were not to star players. And by the way, his greatest game was the one against Green Bay and Plaxico Burris. Absolutely. So I'm just saying, like, people try to act like he wasn't,

get it, the regular seasons. I would take a playoff guy in big moments, big spots any day. It's the, it's the Philip Rivers, Eli Manning story. Philip Rivers has had a great regular season career, but he hasn't done anything in the postseason. No, I would take, listen, I think. You wouldn't take Eli? No, I think Philip Rivers is better than Eli, but I would take Eli's career, not even a question, obviously, because I get two Super Bowls. It always comes down to this. If I could, this is a funny debate. Now, I don't buy into that. I think Brady's the best team player in American sports history. I think he's the best leader. I think he has done an incredible job. I mean, Eli is 38 and looks shot. Brady's 42 and looks unbelievable. But wait a minute. You've got to be

honest with the Brady thing. Brady has never led the Patriots down the field of score a touchdown, right, to win the game. I'm talking about in the big game. He's never done it. Of course he's done. Last year, no he hasn't. Not to win a Super Bowl. And they just did it this year when they won the Super Bowl. They won Tom Brady had no touchdowns. Can I show you the cover of the Tom Brady highlight reel of his career? Yeah. Look at this, Colin. Who's that on the front?

Adam Ventatory! Because Anna Vetitari's the one making those field goals that they won the first two Super Bowls. They literally took a defense, Seattle's defense, which is seen as the best in 10 years, which humiliated Peyton Manning in his Super Bowl. And Peyton Manning is one of the top three I've ever seen. He went down the next year and ate it alive in the fourth. I also have video. Here's Tom Brady to West Welker

where he missed him in the Super Bowl. Do you remember this? Yes. Eli would never miss. He's wide open. Tom Brady makes a terrible throw in a big spot, and it costs him. That ball, if you go look at the other view,

that's a side view, but if you look at the one at the time, he's wide open. You see the way he had to adjust to catch that ball? All I'm saying to you is Eli has made the big throws and the big moments. And yes, Tom Brady's one. The difference is Eli took those two Super Bowls from Tom Brady.

And a lot of times, often, Brady was given Super Bowls when other teams imploded. When Carolina kicked the ball out of bounds, when Seattle doesn't run the ball in at the one, where Atlanta at the 22-yard line in field goal range, they kick a field go, Colin. It's an 11-point game. Brady can't beat you. So I'm not saying that he's not a great player, and he hasn't made. made big plays, but let's dissect this. When you take the lipstick and the makeup of the lipstick, makeup, and the wig off,

it's not as pretty as you think it is. I think it's really pretty. Let me go to this. I don't believe it's fools gold, but September football, everybody looks good in September football because the weather's perfect. Your teams are generally very healthy. Dallas right now is incredibly healthy. You don't buy in a DAC, and I do think he can be an inart.

artistic thrower of the football. I mean, not everybody looks like Brady. Not everybody, I mean, not everybody looks like Mahomes. You just don't buy DAC. No, not yet. I mean, you remember the poll that they had with the 55 executives. I think the athletic came out. He finished as a third tier.

You could just third tier quarterback, and I'm not going to knock them. You're playing bad teams. Go look at that Giants. Go look at the, you had Greg Koselle on the other day. He was spot on. No pressure. The receivers were. wide open. If you can't make those throws in the

NFL, you can't play. He made all those throws, but it's a totally different game. You remember what happened when the Rams stopped the running game in that playoff game? And you had to make Dak beat you. He couldn't do it. No, no. I mean, could you not just say this, though?

Everybody's an... I had a very slow start to my career. I didn't have a rock-solid foundational place at home. I was working two jobs in college. So, My 20s were really choppy. I think I was talented, but I made a bunch of mistakes.

And then I'm at 30. I get married. I have kids. I get a better career. I got a little more money. You know, Dax an ascending young player. Mississippi State, he got the hell beat out of him. They had a terrible O line.

He goes to the NFL with Dallas. They have a really good offensive line, but not very good receivers. Cole Beasley and high-maintenance DES and old Jason Witten. Once you've given him a mom. Has everybody seen his numbers since Amari? He's been fantastic. I've seen the numbers. Des Bryant was overrated.

Cole Beasley and Buffalo, by the way. Good luck getting your money back on that. I think, I think, Dak, we view his early days in Dallas is, oh, it was great. They've replaced the offensive coordinator. They got rid of Des. They got rid of Cole Beasley. And Zeke was a rookie. I can't, but I can't look at it.

I do. I'm one of these guys. It matters who you beat and who you play. I always look at that. And if you look at this year, they play two also-rants, two terrible teams, and they got Miami this week. I expect the Cowboys to roll. I'm almost willing to give up 21-5 points because the dolphins are so bad. But I'm not buying into DAC because they've beaten these teams.

These teams are terrible. By the way, give me another example of how cheap you are, or frugal. Because cheap sounds mean-spirited. If I say you're frugal, give me another. So you take your tea bags. the airport and you will rebook a room four times at the Marriott so you get free rooms. Give me another one. Oftentimes, if I'm taking somebody out to lunch, it's usually on a two-for-one coupon, so they don't know about it.

But some of our friends will be like, that's okay, you're taking me out to lunch. That's awesome. I got a two-for-one deal. Is there something wrong with that? Joy, that's disgusting. Joy, on a date, it's not. Is it a date or friends? I've had the two-for-one dates.

They don't know it. I get up and I slide the coupon over to the waitress. I don't do it at the table. She doesn't have to know that. Yeah, you know what? It was two-for-one lobster, right? What would be wrong with that? You're getting a lobster meal.

Yeah, what kind of restaurant is that? Well, it's, you know. He's giving me heartburn. Larry's Lobster Hut. I mean, a friends, who cares? Friends, like, whatever. You're going to lunch with a friend. But if you're getting a deal about it.

Like a restaurant, it'll be like, you know, you buy one meal for. So what do you say when the bill comes like, wait a minute, I have a coupon? No, I don't say anything. I'll just get up from the table and I might walk over to the waitress and slip it to her like that. But I would never do it at the table. I mean, that would ruin the day. Let me ask you, you have to fly a lot. What do you fly?

Well, I mean, honestly, you have to, you're always on a plane. What do you, do you fly economy? Yes, economy with the exit row. So I have leg room. And I'll take whatever the airline is, if it's spirit and they've got to deal. for $39. I'll hop on that plane, get the extra leg room, and I'm good to go. Why would I pay more than that?

How long of a spirit flight are we talking here? I've flown to Detroit, four hours. So I'll take that damn the cheapest flight. I don't want to criticize. But those things are not, that's not even, it's secret, because they charge you for the seat, and then they charge you for your bag. But I don't bring a bag. See, that's another thing.

I won't bring a bag. I'll buy clothes at Marshalls when I get to Detroit. How is that cheaper then? What? You'll buy clothes at Marshall? when you get to the city? I'm serious. Wow, that's incredible.

If they charge me $66 for my bag each way, and it's going to cost you $58 at Marshalls? So that would help me work out. I'll buy some underclothes socks and stuff like that. Here's the good news with all those two-to-one dates. You're not having many dates. So it only happens like once a year for you. That's what you got a splurge on, Rob.

Yeah. That's why they pay you the big bucks. I think, yeah, I think women like, feel special. I don't think he feels two to one. It may be a special, but I don't think it feels special. When I got married, when we went to Hawaii and Japan on our honeymoon,

I used all marry-out points, all Delta Miles. We stayed first class. We flew first class. There's nothing wrong with that at all. That's the point. But that was our honeymoon. How long did that last? Five years. I was married for five years. I didn't know. It was all right. That's pretty good. And here's the other one.

Instead of paying for the money at the champagne at the hotel, I packed all our goodies in champagne, sent it to the hotel when we got there. That's not good. So the champagne, everything was there. That's not good. That's not good. I'm just telling you as a friend, that's not great. This way we could get massages on the beach because we had our champagne paid for.

You were a sports writer winning awards in America. The points makes perfect sense. Of course you would use your points. That's why they give them to you. Good hell. All right. good senior Rob. After you tore me down, is that it?

However you deal with your money is what you do. It's your business. I'm not tearing you down. It's just, I'm fascinated by it. Some people, I'm fascinated by it. I'm definitely going to use that hotel hack, though. That's a good idea. The hotel thing is a good thing. They're probably going to change the way that you do it. Yeah, you probably just ruined

it for yourself. All right, that's Rob Parker. Odd couple, Fox Sports Redded. Let's hear it again one year anniversary. Fastest growing show in America. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

Groupon actually is wonderful. What are they called? Groupon. Okay. Lots of deals. Not for dates, though. So Sam Darnel was sign-line with Mono during the Jets' loss of the Browns Monday night, but Darnel said he is feeling much better, and doctors are now hopeful that he will be able

to return week five against the Eagles. He spoke about his recovery, and now he knew something was off after the week one lost to the bills. After the game, I think that's when my body decided. to shut down. And when I came in that Monday, I was feeling terrible. And then Tuesday morning was when it really hit. That's when we did all the tests with the doctors and all that stuff. I'm back in the facility and I'm back doing

normal things. You know, it's just not able to work out or get my blood pressure up in any way. So if he comes back week five, he will only miss the week three game against the Patriots, which we're assuming they're going to lose. The line was like 22 and a half. Yeah.

They have a week four by. So they kind of lucked out with that there. All they did, the Jets do have a week four buy, which is a really early buy. Very early, which normally you wouldn't want. It's not ideal. So he'll come back against two. He will come back. Let's see.

I don't know. Someone good about that. So they're going to go 0 and 3. Then they have a buy. Yeah, the Eagles. I'm sorry. Yeah, the Eagles. Oh, so they're 0 and 3 buy and come back with Philly with a chance.

Now, that's actually, I didn't know that. I didn't. That's actually interesting. So that when he comes back in week five, they're 0 and 3 off a buy week. That's not, and by the way, Philly's beatable early in the season. I mean, you don't want to start O&3, obviously, but when he's out, this is what it is. And they're down to Falk now because Trevor Simeon is out. So nobody looked at this on the schedule and considered this to be a W anyway.

So it is what it is. For the Jets, I didn't expect him to be contenders this year. You just wanted to be able to see Sam Donald develop a little bit, get Levy on Bell and the running game going, step the offense up a little bit. And that would be considered a successful season to me for the Jets. They're not contenders this year. Obviously, everyone's goal is to win, but you also have to look long term. I think if they can take a step up this year when Sam Donald gets back within the next two years, two years from now, they'll be in contention.

If you go 0 and 3 by comeback and you can, in the last 13 games, you go 7 and 6 and you finish 7 and 9. That's respectable. Yeah, considering all mono. And considering that you said earlier that Adam Gaines and Craig Williams don't get along, which is. I'm hearing it's like it's just really icy in the building. I mean, it's ridiculous. It is absolutely ridiculous. Can you imagine if our...

No. I mean, it's just, it's not fair for these young courts. The two kids from L.A. got Rosen, it's man overboard. And Jets, the coaches don't get along. Lord. So the Giants announced yesterday that Daniel Jones will start against the bucks instead of Eli Manning. That obviously puts his future with the Giants in question.

But he has a full no trade clause in his contract. And sources are saying he has no plans to waive that. He spoke at practice today and he's keeping a podcast. positive attitude despite being benched. I'm not dying and the season's not over. So there's a lot to be positive about, a lot to be grateful for. And, you know, and so I just got to, you know, accept my new role and make the best thing.

I mean, you wouldn't expect anything different from Eli Manning. He's a class act. This is the ideal situation based off of the decisions that they've already made. Like Nick said earlier, the time to pass the baton would have been when you drafted Daniel Jones, number six overall. that's when you would make the transition to Eli Manning. I understand that there's an attachment and everything went very badly when Macrodo Bencht Jim before, but now you're in a situation where you gave him two weeks and what?

What exactly did you expect to see? This idea that Eli Manning was going to become transformative again, stop comparing everyone to Tom Brady. Tom Brady is an outlier. It doesn't even make sense to compare anyone to him. It's silly at this point. So this is what we're assuming is going to be the end of Eli Manning's career. Like he says, it's a long season.

Anything can happen. He might get back out there. They're not going to bench Daniel Jones. Like they've given the team to him. Yeah, it's his team. And I don't think it's a terrible offense. So barring an injury, which obviously no one wants or is predicting. Like, that's the only way he would get back out there.

Yeah. He'll stay there, be a good mentor, and then he'll wrap it up and go, you have a nice life. Boy, there's one more here on his contract, and he's free agents, which is this year, and it's $22 million cap hit. So that said, I'm not going to judge him. if he wants to go to another team. Obviously, I would prefer to see him go out on top, or not on top, but go out with the team and with the Giants,

not go to Jacksonville or some random team to play for another year or two. But like you said, with all the young quarterbacks, this might not even be an option for him. Finally, Odell had a huge game in his return to MetLife Monday night. One fan was especially excited to see Odell asked for his autograph after the game. So Odell signed his arm, and the fan took it a step further and got it tattooed on himself.

There he is signed him. the fan's arm and Odell, or the fan actually went and had it had it tatted. Wow. Look at that.

That's impressive. It's actually a very good tattoo. That's a really good tattoo. Thank God for fans. I'm watching a baseball game last night. I'm watching Yankees Angels. And the game is meaningless, right? And there's like 45,000 people at the game it looks like.

And I'm thinking, thank God for fans that on a Tuesday night, a regular season baseball game. You know how lucky we have all these fans? every single Saturday and Sunday, I turn on games, and it's 109 degrees in Tampa, and the stadium's full. Yeah, people love sports. People in this country are, I'm watching the U.S. Open three weeks ago. There's matches I wouldn't walk across the street for, and it's packed, and it's 98 degrees in Flushing Meadows. Well, fan comes from Fanatic.

I think this is taken into step up. Would you have anyone who's autographed you would get tattooed? Probably Tom Cruise, right? Tom Cruise signed your elbow. Boy, that... What about Tom Hanks? I'm not really a tat guy. I don't know.

Have you ever considered getting a tattoo? No, I got one on my leg right now. Oh, yeah, that's right. Big mistake. It was a regrettable decision. I lost to a chain smoker in a 40-yard dash. How old were you? How old was I?

Oh, I acted nine, but I think I was 48 or something like that. You were in your 40s in need of this? Yeah, yeah, because... I mean, you don't just go like, I was kidding. I'm not actually going to get a tattoo? No, I got beat in a 40s. yard dash by a chain smoker who used to drink Mountain Dew and eat fried potatoes for breakfast and smoke a six pack a smoke a nine marl burrows and I lost him in a 40 yard dash because he cheated

okay but so you so he cheated you lost you literally kept your word on that you always keep your word on it oh please I'm not making a bet like that to begin with because that's silliness no I had to keep my word on it how big is it how big is it yeah it's a half the size of one of my cabs. I made it bad. I got robbed. I'll tell you the guy cheated me. Well, if he literally cheated, then you have an out. And he was a wacky FM DJ. So he didn't really cheat. You just

lost. No, he cheated. He used cleats and I used tennis shoes and it was all slippery where we ran. Did you know you were going to do it? No, I didn't know it. It would set up the way it would set up. Sounds like he outsmarted you. Yeah. I got outsmarted by a wacky FM DJ who smokes cigarettes and drinks Mountain Dew

all that. I mean, maybe he's just really fast. Not a great day for me. Okay, Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. I work out every day. I got beaten a 40-yard dash by a chain smoker.

What the hell? Some people are just fast. All right. Nine teams are two and oh. What's my confidence, top to bottom, in the remaining nine? You see New England now? They're left tackles out? So the two high end, the two most important positions on the offensive line are left tackle and center. The Patriots don't have

either as we go into week three. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app. Car shopping's confusing, a lot of terms. Don't be confused. Go to Truecar.com. Save three grand off MSRP.

New or you, it doesn't matter. I saved three grand off a truck I bought a while back for the fam. Joy Taylor is joining me. So, Joy, last year, seven teams, seven. started 2-0. Right. Five didn't make the playoffs. September can be fools-cold.

Nine teams are 2-0 now. So I'm going to give you my thoughts on most confidence to least confidence of the nine teams that are 2-0. So let's start here. Number one. New England, obviously. Now they've got two offensive line issues left tackle and center with injuries. But injuries did not derail the Rams last year, the Patriots last year,

the Eagles won a playoff game with massive injuries, and the Chiefs, Kareem Hunt left, Eric Berry. They lost a lineman to tore up a fibula. Injuries do not derail good teams. The bottom line is the AFC East is a mess. The dolphins are tanking, and Sam Darnold's got mono, so the Jets literally kissed their season goodbye. New England 1.

Number two. Kansas City. Listen, obviously, Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, but here's the other thing. That division's uneven. Oakland's dysfunctional. Denver's offense is anemic, and the Chargers are missing maybe their best offensive player

and their best defensive player in Derwin-James. So some of this is Andy Reed and Mahomes. Some of it is right now. It's a very uneven division. And I don't think there's a challenger right now. Number three. I'll go L.A. Rams. I will say this about the Rams.

I mean, beating Carolina out east, beating the Saints, those are two wins. I have real offensive line concerns. They're not real deep. And this is what happens when you pay Brandon Cooks a lot and Todd Gurley a lot. Aaron Donald a lot. And you pay some of these, and Jared Goff's now getting paid a lot. They don't have a ton of depth. And Todd Gurley, by the way, is not Todd Gurley. You're looking at about 60% max of what he is now. Number four. Green Bay. Their defense is really the key, averaging, allowing nine and a half a game. I think they have a great division. I think Detroit's a

really good fourth place team in a division. I think Detroit's probably the best fourth place team in the NFL, certainly in the discussion. But I think their defense is excellent. They've massive upgraded at Corner. They stole Preston Smith, a free agency market. I got him fourth most confident two and no team. Number five. Dallas Cowboys. I like them, but they've gotten a huge scheduling break. Basically a new coordinator. The Giants are rebuilding their defense and they didn't know what to do with Kellan Moore. They now face the dolphins, the jets, and the Saints, and three of their next four, and that's a backup quarterback in New Orleans. So they're five and one. They have a chance to lose to the Packers, but five and one, four and two at worst.

I will say this. Since Dak got Amari Cooper, and now Randall Cobb, he's got options. I'll say it again, I don't think Zeke carries the team. I think Dak does, and I think this passing offense is legitimate. Number six. Six most confident of the nine to win team, Seattle. Listen, they've won two games by a combined three points. And I do think they had some miscues last week.

And they've beaten, by the way, Andy Dalton and Mason Rudolph. I want to temper it as much as I'm from Seattle and love Russell Wilson. Right now, they're 26th and past defense in the NFL. And that's facing Andy Dalton. Andy Dalton tore them up. So I'm not going to hold my breath on a Super Bowl trip for Seattle. Number seven. The Ravens.

Listen, Lamar Jackson started nine games. He's only faced one team twice. I just got to see more. They got good corners. Their offensive lines are always good. There's good structure. but I got nine games here to work with. One team has played

them are twice, eight them alive Chargers. So I don't have a ton of confidence that they're going to make the playoffs because I think Cleveland's a tough out. I think Pittsburgh will be okay. I just want to see more games. Number eight. San Francisco.

I think they're still a year away. I think they're rebuilding. But I will say, Bosa's look good. Jimmy's healthy. Way too many penalties. Way too many penalties. And they've beaten Cincinnati in Tampa. Tampa didn't have a pro bowler on defense last year.

And Cincinnati had the league, historically league's worst defense. I like Garoppolo. And I think Kyle Shanan's unbelievable. But we got a long way to go on this. Again, a lot of penalties. They just lost their left tackle, who is Joe Staley broken leg. So he's out until Thanksgiving. Garopolo's the last guy in the league.

I want having a backup left tackle. So I'm holding off on San Francisco. Number nine. Buffalo. And I like Buffalo. I think they're fun, but the schedule, Jets and Giants, and another thing is Josh Allen has as many interceptions as touchdowns. This is an extraordinarily well-coached team.

But Josh Allen, let's not go crazy on Josh Allen. They're using him smartly. I see limitations in the passing game for Buffalo, and you've got to pass now to win big games. Good stuff. We will see you in the herd tomorrow. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind, and nobody's telling you, exactly what happened.

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