The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Dak Prescott, Michael Jordan, LeBron James

Episode Date: May 20, 2020

Colin explains why Dak Prescott is asking for too much money, his thoughts on Michael Jordan hurting people's feelings, what he thinks about LeBron James getting offered a NFL contract, and another edition of Dis or Dak. Guests include, Nick Wright, Daryl Morey, Matt Mosley, and Brock Huard. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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iHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Joy Taylor is joining me. Darrell Mori, Rockets, General Manager, joins us top of next hour. Nick Wright this hour. We're going to play a game called Diss and Dack. I've gone from being sympathetic to Dak Prescott to just let's just bail on him if I'm the Cowboys and play Andy Dalton. I've done it in one day based on a story. Enjoy, how are you? I sense you would eventually reach a point of exhaustion with Dak's contract situation.

Okay, so here's the latest. Dak Prescott, Chris Sims is reporting. Dak Prescott, Cowboys have offered, he wants four years and 175 million. That's $35 million a year. That's Russell Wilson's contract. And Russell Wilson's contract's not old. He just signed it. So he thinks he's Russell Wilson. And then in the last year, DAC wants $45 million.

Context. In the last three years in the NFL, Russell Wilson has thrown for 100 touchdown passes. That is 15 more than number two in the first. the league. Look it up. It's Tom Brady. Blows away everybody in the league, including Tom Brady. Dak has thrown for 74 with a significantly better offensive line, with a superstar running back, and better wide receivers. And Dak had an offensive coach, and you may not like Jason Garrett, but he's an offensive coach. He knows offensive personnel. Since he's been the cowboy coach, look at their offensive draft picks.

Jason Garrett has a say, they've been exceptional. They draft offense, great. Defense, some questions. Dak wants the Russell Wilson contract. Or more. If Dak was on the market today, who'd bid for him? If Russell Wilson's on the market outside of Kansas City and Baltimore, by 27 teams that would bid for Russell Wilson.

I mean, if you hate the Cowboys, you should pray they signed back to this contract because it's over. They'll never get better defensively. I mean, I'm to the point now where I'm God from sympathetic to let him hit the market. Let him hit the market. If he's this delusional, let him hit the market. Here's the other thing. People make a big mistake on this.

Just because you're wildly underpaid in life does not mean you have the right to a powerball ticket later. Everybody's underpaid in this league with their first contract. Lamar Jackson right now is making nothing. He's making nothing. He's making significantly less than quarterbacks in his own division named Baker Mayfield. Mahomes is wildly underpaid. If you are good, if you are a really good young quarterback,

you're going to be under, Russell Wilson made nothing for four years, made less than a Seattle DJ. And he was winning Super Bowls. Dax tried to win a playoff game. So this idea I was underpaid in my 20s, I was underpaid in my 20s, Joy was underpaid. contracts are about two things. Leverage and scarcity.

Once they brought in Andy Dalton, where's your leverage? Andy's a reasonable facsimile to DAC. Where's your leverage? Number two is there's no scarcity. Five years ago, there was scarcity. Now, good God, folks. There's four new quarterbacks in the NFL every year from college. They're all working.

First round quarterbacks used to be a first round quarterbacks. Used to be a 50-50 bust. Half just couldn't play. Now, five guys drafted in the first. round four very good. Do you think Josh Allen? Josh Allen's a better pro quarterback than he was a college quarterback. I mean, Jalen hurts. Two years ago, he got cut from Alabama.

Alabama didn't want him. He got drafted in the second round. I mean, you've got to be kidding me on this thing. It's a salary cap world. Everybody's underpaid in their 20s. It doesn't mean I give you a powerball ticket. At the end of last year, DAC was not good with a great O line, with great receivers, with an unbelievable running back, with an offensive coach, he was bad.

He couldn't score a touchdown against the Patriots or the Eagles. Well, Jason Garrett stinks. Well, I'll tell you what, the new coach, Mike McCarthy, can't think too much of him because he's yet to compliment him, and he brought in Andy Dalton. For the record, Tom Brady and Michael Jordan were underpaid their entire career. If you go look at what Brady's made and what Michael made for their talent, You're wildly underpaid. Almost everybody, unless they own their own business, is underpaid.

When I worked at my last company, the CEO probably made $8 million a year. The CEO of GoPro made $400 million a year because he owned his own company. Unless you own your own company, you're going to be underpaid. The company's going to take 80% of the profits. That's the way the game works. And we've got a salary cap league. But the idea that DAC wants Russell Wilson's contract, I talked to somebody yesterday in Russell Wilson's camp. Russell Wilson has changed his workout regiment this offseason.

Why? To get thinner. Why? Because the offensive line in Seattle is so patchwork that they're going to finally allow Russell more say in the offense so he can move more and roll out more and do more what he wants because he's running for his life. he's losing bulk to get thinner because he knows he's going to be running around more. Dak never has that problem. Wow.

I mean, for a long time, I was like, yeah, Dak kind of got underpaid here. Let's pay the young man. Now I'm like, let him at the market. Andy Dalton's 85%. Let him at the market. I can save $33 million a year. Insane. All right.

So the Michael Jordan documentary is over, right? We've moved on. But now, now, now, what is happening to the Michael Jordan documentary is people wanting to discredit it. Now all the grippers and the whiners and Michael was mean.

The second tier players, the second tier teammates, the newspaper columnists what a joyless life. They're all coming out of the woodwork. Yesterday, Horace Grant grumble, grumble, grumble, grumble, grumble, went on a radio station, just kind of rambled

forever and talked about Michael Jordan has a grudge again, against him because Michael Jordan thinks Horace Grant is the person that fed Sam Smith, all the inside dirt and information. Many people think that. Sam denies it, Horace denies it, and Horace grumbled about MJ yesterday. If MJ had a grudge with me, let's say it like, man, let's talk about it, or we can say it another way.

But yet and still, he goes out and put this lie out that I was the source behind. The mere fact that Sam Smith was a investigative reporter, that he had to have two sources, two, to write a book, I guess. Why would MJ just point me out? It's only a grudge, man. I'm telling him, it was only a grudge. And I think he proved that during this so-called documentary, when if you say something about him, he's going to cut you off.

He's going to try to destroy your character. Listen, Horace Grant was a good player, not special. He made one all-star team. That's when Michael retired. Is Horace bitter? Because he never got the respect. That's a big deal for guys. He never got the respect he felt he deserved.

Let's be honest, if you think Bulls, you think of Michael, you think a Scotty, you think a Rodman, you think of Phil, you think of shots by Paxson and Kerr, you don't think about Horace Grant. When you think about the Lakers teams he was on, you think Shaq and you think Kobe and you think Kobe's best friend. Derek Fisher, and you think Robert Ory, and you don't think Horace Grant. And when you think about the Orlando teams, you think about Shaq, and you think about Penny and those mis-free throws by Nick Anderson, and you

don't think a lot about Horace Grant. Is he bitter? Potentially, he felt like he was rambling yesterday. You're getting this now. We're trying to psycho-analyze, Michael. Stop. I read an article yesterday by David Roth, New York Magazine, a very sophisticated magazine.

Nobody loves writers more than writers. And so all the writers yesterday were, oh, what's beautiful prose! It was just nonsense. Here's one of the paragraphs. Jordan gave himself entirely to his pursuit, and everything he had went into the

furnace to fuel it. That's the story of his life, and while there are many moments in the last dance, when this seems plainly tragic, moments in which Jordan's life seems empty and cold and joyless. Never? Not once? Joyless

is being a writer living in 1,200 square foot condo in the East Village. Joyless. Michael had unbelievable relationships with his parents. I've never met in my life at 55 years old. Somebody who had great relationships with their parents who had an empty life. Michael had an unbelievable, loving relationship with his college coach, Dean Smith, with his NBA coach, Phil Jackson.

Michael Jordan The greatest basketball player in the world said he would retire if Phil Jackson couldn't get a job. I love LeBron. Has LeBron ever stood up for a coach like that? Michael Jordan has a daughter who was quoted this week saying,

oh, he coddles me, he babies me, calls me every day, a son he's close to. He's got the strongest relationship with an agent, David Falk, 20 years later I've ever seen. The right. David Roth, a brilliant writer, writers, love writers, they retweet them all day, says, this is the deal

that Jordan made, knowingly or unknowingly, that he wanted, he would trade everything he had for everything he wanted. And then when he won all those things, he found that he had nothing but that. He doesn't exactly seem happy or even really satisfied.

What the hell are you talking about? Every woman was throwing themselves at him as a 28-year-old male. He was the best in the world it's got the biggest brand in the history of the world. His relationships with his parents were unbelievable. Look at him

hug Phil Jackson on the video. Players don't hug their coaches like that. He hugged him like his dad. His life is full of incredible passions. He lives for his brand. He lived for his parents. He's got a beautiful wife. He lives for his kids. Stop

psycho-analyzing him. Michael Jordan's the greatest basketball talent ever, A, and B, he was as competitive as hell. And you know what? Success is hard, and he trampled some people. So did Mark Zuckerberg at Facebook. He probably rolled over a few guys.

That's life. So did Steve Jobs. You think his life is joyless? What? I never once watched that episode, the 10 episodes, and thought his life was empty. I thought it was, at times, combative. Michael's not passive-aggressive.

Michael likes conflict. He gets right in your kitchen. He'll fight you any day of the week. That's not joyless. That's passion. Michael's not one of these fakes that's nice to your face and bad. If Michael doesn't like you, he'll just won't talk to you. He'll just cut you off.

That's not empty or joyless. Michael Jordan is great, and Michael Jordan was competitive like nobody I've ever seen. That's it. And there's no reason to pretend anything else. I mean, Horace Grant was always kind of. of the forgettable guy on all of his teams. If I say bulls to you, where's Horace Grant come in? Seriously.

I know the general manager more than Horace Grant. I know the owner's story. And it's nothing against Horace Grant. He was a nice player. He did a lot of good things, especially in Orlando. I like him. But, you know, what a shock. Isaiah Thomas doesn't like this.

Scotty Pippin doesn't like this. Relatives of Jerry Krause doesn't like this. And Horace Grant doesn't like it. Well, Isaiah Thomas? It wasn't liked by a lot of people. Scotty Pippen could be immature. Jerry Krause was antagonizing. And frankly, Horace Grant,

you probably did leak some of that stuff. You acknowledge you were best friends. You didn't leak a couple things. One, two, three, four. Michael cut you off. Sometimes you cut people off. It's life. It's not perfect.

Is that writer ever cut anybody off? A source? A friend? It's life. But let's not psychoanalyze this nonsense. Here's the line the writers love. God writers love writers. This is the deal that Jordan made, knowingly or unknowingly,

that he would trade everything he had for everything he wanted. And then, when he had all those things, he found that he had nothing but that. What? Mike, I had a great relationship with my mom. I don't know if it's close to as good as Michael had with his mom. And I had a great relationship. You can't be joyless and empty if you have great relationships with parents and mentors and coaches.

Yeah, he's not close with a lot of his teammates. I mean, I got to be honest with you. Is Dan Marino buddies with a lot of his buddies? Sometimes you just play a sport together and it's fun, and then you leave and you go back to your college buddies. You go back to people that you grew up with. Psycho-analyzing is just... Extremely successful people have extremely small circles as well.

Right. And Michael's circle isn't that small. Not considering the fact that he's Michael Jordan, no. I mean, seriously, for the record, his daughter admits. He's kind of private. Michael doesn't need 800 friends. I tell my daughter this all the time. I'm like, honey, if you can have two great friends in your life.

Right. Two great friends, sign off on it. No new friends. I like imitating writers. Oh, I am very sophisticated. Well, you're a writer. What's your writer voice? I'm not a writer.

You go two books. I had a guy, Tim Kuhn, who's a brilliant writer. that I came up with ideas, I wrote them, and then he sandpapered him to make sense. He added commas. He added commas. So he was a really nice writer because he refused to take credit for the book. He wouldn't put his name on the cover. I asked him both times.

He's like, I don't want to do that. And I'm like, well, then I'm going to write a chapter about you in both books. Aw. Yeah. That's the best writing I've ever done. I was shirtless on one of the covers. Those were my books. I deserve all the credit.

Maybe that's why he didn't want to be honest. Michael Jordan's joyless and empty. The hell you talking about? Nick Wright's around the corner. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the I-Hard Radio app. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind.

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Here's a story. I'm not going to give it a bunch of time. It's kind of nonsense. LeBron says he considered playing in the NFL during the 2011 lockout. Oh, stop. First of all, LeBron was Allstate in Ohio. Yeah, what a shock. A 6-8-225-pound wide receiver dominated five, nine corners in Ohio in high school.

Ohio's got 28 guys a year that are all-state. So does California, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Virginia, Florida, Texas, Georgia. Most of those states, most are better than Ohio football players at a high school. Secondly, Michael Jordan is physical. He got in fights with everybody. Why? He grew up with brothers, beating on him. Duane Wade's the most physical player I've ever seen at 6'4 and a half.

Why? Why does he attack the rim? He grew up with brothers, wrestling, fighting. You'll find a lot of UFC fighters. grew up with brothers, tough guys, wrestling, fighting brothers. LeBron isn't a physical guy. LeBron doesn't want to play center. He doesn't.

LeBron doesn't want to go down low. He'll drive over smaller players. LeBron wants to shoot threes. LeBron's never gotten into a fight in 15 years in the league. He doesn't even move toward them. He moves away. He's not a fit. For the physical stature of LeBron, he is big and strong.

He's not a fighter. He's a lover, not a fighter. He's a giver, not a taker. He's not a physical player. Now, he can take smaller guys to the basket and score on him. But rim protectors, like Roy Hibbert, have bothered him. He's not, he doesn't attack the rim when there's bigs there. He doesn't like it.

He likes Kevin Love and Chris Bosch to go to the outside, take the big guy away so he can score uncontested at the rim or over a smaller guy. There's a dozen pieces of footage about Pippin and Jordan scoring over Patrick Ewing, dunking in his face. They're physical guys. They love to fight. They like conflict. They get in your face.

That's why Pippin and Jordan got along. That's not LeBron's game. To play in the NFL, you've got to like contact. And LeBron's too big to be a receiver. He would have been a tight end. You got to love to get hit and you got to like to hit. That's not who LeBron is. He's never been that guy.

He's a really unbelievably, shockingly big, strong player who doesn't want to play center ever. He doesn't like to. He wants to shoot threes. His game's moved out, not in. And if you put a big guy in the middle, he doesn't have any interest contesting him at the rim. He'll pull up. Remember the old joke he was. wouldn't post up J.J. Berea against Dallas in the finals. It was like a running joke. That's not

his game. That's not who he is. He is, has the ability to freight train smaller guys, but he's never like major conflict. He never has. I mean, Michael Jordan, in the documentary that favored him, was fighting guys constantly. He would get in your face. He would punch. He would throw punches. He would go after you. Michael, if he wanted to play football, he just didn't like it, never played it. Duane Wade to me. is a guy that if he would have loved football, his psychology is built for football. Tough guy. Grew up with brothers, fighting.

I mean, he never, Dwayne Wade never backed down from anybody. Anybody. It's not a size thing because Charles Barkley said he went out for practice one day and he hated football. I didn't want to get tackled. You know, I think you have to have a mentality to play football, not just because you're big. There are a lot of big guys that aren't tough. You watch UFC, there's a lot of small guys that are just a bag full of hammers. But LeBron's not a football player.

and nonsense. All right, Joy with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So the dolphins are hoping to will be their franchise quarterback for years to come, but there's not a guarantee that he's going to start week one of this year. Ryan Fitzpatrick is still in line for that spot. And even though he knows that two is the future,

he is hoping he gets his playing time this season two. His biggest cheerleader right now, but I also want to be out there to plan. You know, I also want to be on the field. That's kind of why I'm still doing it because I still enjoy playing the game. So hopefully some of the lessons I'm able to teach him are him watching me play. But if it's the other way around, you know, I'm going to do my best to help him succeed in the best way that he can. You know what? You know a new business idea?

I would pay, pay-per-view. I would pay to watch the Dolphins practices with Fitzpatrick and Tua. I would pay to watch them. Well, I mean... I would pay to see if Tua and Fitzpatrick... watch them in practice because I think Tua's going to blow up about a day into practice and everybody's going to go, oh my God,

we got to play them. They don't want to? I think they're going to be forced to. Well, generally, obviously, when this is not going on still, training camp practices are mostly open to fans. So not the whole practice, obviously, but they, you know, you can't draw out there as a fan and watch. I want to watch

two at practice. I would love to see Tua in Borrow in practice. I mean, obviously, not everyone is practicing right now. We'll get to that a little bit later. But, yeah, I mean, it's, the thing about Tua is this. I would like for him to chill a little bit. But he's too good. It's not that he's, his star factor is, is too high.

No, he's just too good of a player. He is a good player, but I mean, he's coming out of a hip injury. We're dealing with the pandemic. It might be a better situation for him to wait a few weeks than to throw him in the fire. I think Joe Burroughs should start week one. If you're the number one overall pick, you should be starting. week one or you should not be the number one overall pick. That's, I felt the same way about Baker Mayfield.

But I think there's just going to be too much pressure too quickly to get to it out there. And I mean, not that I think that Brian Flores is the type of guy that, you know, leans in on pressure from fans and whoever else. But I don't, I don't think Ryan Fitzpatrick is going to last very long at the beginning of the season, but it might actually be a better situation for him to sit behind Fitzpatrick for a little while. So Tom Brady has started getting some work in with his new teammates. was spotted at a Tampa prep school yesterday with a handful of Bucks players,

organizing route combinations and situational drills. And his arm reportedly looked live during the throwing session. What, what? His arm's not his issue. I don't know. His birth certificate's his issue. It's not his arm. Everyone is so concerned about Tom Brady's arm.

This is not surprising. As soon as it was allowed by authorities for him to get out there and start practicing, and assume that Tom Brady was going to get out there. And obviously, they're not allowed in facility. The NFL hasn't allowed anyone except no coaches, just some personnel and players who are getting rehab are allowed to go into facilities. So they're having to find somewhere else to do it. Like I said, they were at a prep school. But it's not like you really need your coaches there to start doing route drills.

I'm pretty sure Tom Brady can organize those pretty easily. So there was a handful of players out there. Mike Evans, Scotty Miller, Cameron Bray, O.J. Howard, and Blaine Gabbard and Ryan Griffin were there too. So it's just taking advantage of the little lightning of the rules for social gathering and getting some workouts in. But you're going to start seeing more and more of this as things starting to loosen up. And I'm sure Tom has been itching to get out there and get some work in. So finally, Cam Noon is on the market waiting for his next NFL opportunity. And according to Fox Betts, the Patriots are still the favorites to lands the former MVP at plus 270.

The Steelers are second at plus 400. then Washington, Denver, and Seattle still has odds at plus some thousand. Generally, when you see these odds, somebody knows something. I don't think he fits New England at all, but I just don't think it works at all. I would be shocked. I think I would be more shocked at the Patriots bringing in Cam Newton than I would be about Tom Brady going to the bucks. Yeah, so did I. It's more dramatic.

Yeah, when I was surprised he went to the box, but you could rational. the Bucks very quickly. Bruce Ariens is loose. It's warm weather. His wife, I'm told, wanted to go to Miami. They got a bunch of new weapons. Yet still, out of all the places that we were discussing, I thought that the Bucks was the last on the list.

So it was still very surprising to me, and we knew the Tom Brady was pretty much leaving. Like, we know Cam Newton's going to end up somewhere, but I don't know. I just don't, I don't see the Patriots. And again, I hope that he does get an opportunity to be a starter again in the league, and I think he will. I think the Steelers is the best place for him.

I mean, wouldn't you, like, I think my jaw would drop if the Patriot... It's just not stylistically a fit. It's just not at all. Pittsburgh is. In any way, like personality. None of it fits. I don't know. Well, uh, joy with the news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. Ah, Dak Prescott used to be sympathetic. Now I'm over. And let's bring in Nick Wright. First Things First brought to you by Mercedes-Benz, the best or nothing on the Coward Global Satellite Network.

Okay, so DAC wants to be paid according to a story this morning, better than Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson has 100 touchdown passes in three years. Nobody's close in the league. I have come to the point now. I think I've come to your side. I'll just go with Andy Dalton. I'm done with it. It's nonsense to me.

I mean, I can imagine what you thought about the story. Well, listen, I think the key point here is, Dak, in addition to wanting near, if not above the top of the market's pay, he wants a short contract so he can get another bite at the apple as quickly as possible and the latest report is that he didn't want the fifth year and if he wanted the fifth year it's going to have to be something obscene the Patrick Mahomes territory of we're talking $45 million. And at some point, Colin, I've used this analogy before

and I'll use it again. It's apropos with you because you own so many properties around the world. At some point, the price of the house, no matter how much you love the house, you say I got to walk away. Like I thought I was going to move here. I thought I was going to live here. I loved it. My wife loved it.

Amazing open floor plan. But you got to be kidding me. And if you're not going to negotiate in good faith, then at some point you've got to walk away. And so we have been dealing with these Dak Prescott negotiations, Colin, for 16 months. I don't know why people think they're all of a sudden going to get resolved in the next 56 days. Because that's how long until the dead. line hits to where he just plays this year into the franchise tag. And I think that's where this is headed, Colin.

Yeah, I don't disagree with you. So now we're getting to the point after the MJ doc is people are psychoanalyzing it. I just some guy in the New Yorker said Michael's just empty and lonely and miserable and just an un miserable human being. I don't see that. I think his relationships with his parents are amazing, his agent, his coaches, Dean Smith, Phil Jackson. And now it's Horace Grant calls him a snitch.

You know, he snitched. Michael thinks he, I snitched on him for a book, blah, blah, blah. I think we're trying to psychoanalyze Michael. I think he's great and I think he's absurdly competitive. And that ticks off people. That's how I see it. Your thoughts. Well, I thought Horace got a bad rap in this.

Now, it's been rumored for the better part of 30 years that Horace was one of Sam Smith's primary sources for that book. Pardon me. clearly wasn't the only one. There's a 300-page book. It didn't all come from Horace, and Horace gets thrown under the bus there. I did think Horace made a good point, which is episode one of the doc. Michael gets asked about the Bull's alleged traveling cocaine circus, and he says, yeah, I walked into a hotel room. Every single one of my teammates is there with cocaine and women. I mean, there's a word for that. It is called snitching, even if it's 35 years later. So I do think Horace made a fair point.

And I understand why a guy like Horace that helped Michael win three titles or Scotty wouldn't have liked their portrayal in this. The only person who I thought was more unfairly portrayed than Horace, Scotty, and Jerry Krause was the poor pizza guy who you had on yesterday. Because if anyone believes the story that when Michael Jordan ordered a pizza, he used his real name and then otherwise, otherwise Norris. normal guys said we're going to commit a felony and poison him and then all show up in his hotel room to watch him take the first bite. It was the most implausible lie I've ever heard in my life. So that's my top four of people who should be upset. The pizza guy, Horace Grant, Scotty Pippen, and the late Jerry Kraus. By the way, I'm a recruiting dork.

I've been watching recruiting video for 25 years. I love it. I've loved it forever. Everybody's got something they love that they don't talk about on the air. Like, I love recruiting. and I go to websites all day. One of the things I've always seen is a lot of kids in high school are great high school players because they're simply bigger and stronger, Jadavian Clowny.

He's just bigger and stronger and he bulldozes people. And then he can do a little bit of that in college. But in the end, but the time you get to the NFL, do you like to hit and do you like to get hit in the ribs? Because football practice is hard. LeBron James, despite his physical stature, has never been in an NBA fight, doesn't appear to really like it. He doesn't like playing center. Now, was he a great high school player?

Yeah. Could he have been a really good college player? The idea, because he would have been a tight end, he would line up and have, you know, Khalil Mack over the top of him, wanting to dislocate his head from his shoulders, and he'd be like, oh, I just love physical play. Is silly.

LeBron's a great basketball player. He would have never been a great NFL player. And I know you're furious at this. Okay, well, listen, your take on Jordan walking away at the right time, I hope we have time to get to it because it is 100% correct. Your take on this is 100% incorrect. The person who should be most relieved that the NBA came back in 2011 is actually Jason Witten, because Jason Witten would have been out about 600 catches, 6,000 yards, and 36 touchdowns, because LeBron would have gone to Dallas and taken his job.

Colin, you should know this as well as anybody. On that wonderful Sunday NFL pregame show, who do you sit across from? What great-looking, all-time great Kansas City Chief do you sit across from every Sunday morning during football season? Tony Gonzalez. Tony Gonzalez, right? Yeah, Tony Gonzalez.

Is he a guy? Listen, you know him better than me. He fight a lot? He a guy who's got the face of a guy he's just been in a bunch of bar room brawls. Did he make his money in the NFL out muscling Khalil Mack? Or was he super tall, very fast, soft hands, great athlete,

and had 125 touchdown catches? Because I think that's how he did it. So the fact that you're like, well, LeBron once upon a time didn't post up J.J. Barreya, therefore he couldn't follow the Tony Gonzalez Jimmy Graham line to great NFL tight end. It's just lunacy. I don't think you really believe it.

And I'm going to do something I never do. I just don't think you fully thought out the take. I think you heard it. You're like, football, stupid. I'll talk about my recruiting thing. You didn't fully think out the take. And now you realize, oh, he probably could have been Tony Gonzalez, you know, one of the three greatest tight ends ever.

So, yeah, I think you're wrong. Oh, by the way, Tony Gonzalez, to his credit, loved blocking. And I'm not joking. Despite that pretty face, Tony is he loved physical play. Love blocking. And that's my take on the brawn. He would just be like, I ain't doing the blocking. think it hurts. All right, finally, you said I had some brilliant take. Can you talk about that for once?

What was my brilliant take? I'd like to hear that. Yes, please. You are a thousand percent correct that Phil Jackson did Michael Jordan an enormous favor by walking away after championship six. Not only because they would have, I think they would have made the finals. Remember 99, that's the year the eight seed Knicks made the final. Yep. The Bulls, I think, would have made the finals. and they would have lost to Duncan and Robinson because they never had to go up against a great center in the finals with Jordan. And the next year, Shaq started making the finals.

So they wouldn't have won another title. And everyone loves, for some reason, people think six for six is better than if you were six for seven or six for eight. But the other reason it was great is because I believe, and this might be a somewhat controversial opinion, I believe the single greatest game of Michael Jordan's career

was game six, 98 finals against Utah. I understand the stat line, while it was very impressive, wasn't his great stat line ever. He had 45 points, one rebound, one assist on 35 shots. I think a lot of people say game four of the finals against Chuck and Phoenix when he had 55, 8, and 4 in the critical game of the series. That was his greatest game ever.

The 63 points against Boston. But with Pippin's bat gone out, Rodman really done at that point. You're in a game where no one scores 90. It's a rock fight. You're facing the specter of a game 7 on the road. And not only do you score over half of your team's points, but the way the final minute goes is two Jordan free throws, Jordan layup, Jordan Steele, Jordan shot, Jordan career in Chicago over.

It was the greatest game he ever played as a bull, the greatest finish to any athlete's career ever, if we're going to pretend the Wizards years didn't happen, which I'm fine with, by the way. And the story, even if you would have accomplished more, Colin, the story wouldn't have been is good. And what Michael has going for him in the LeBron Jordan discussion is Michael's story is better. I don't believe he's a better player, but his story is more poetic, if you will, and that changes if they come back and they lose in 99. So I totally agree with you on that. And I think that game six and 98 is the greatest game he ever played. By the way, I agree. I had this conversation either with Goulet or Joy or somebody off the air the other day. That team was so challenged offensively,

in Chicago. They were ninth in scoring that year with Michael Jordan. And then when Pippin fell apart, it was basically Michael in the toughest NBA arena against two Hall of Famers and a Hall of Fame coach. Totally a grief. Finally on a take. Nick Wright, first things first.

Good talking to you, buddy. Good stuff. Absolutely. You guys as well. I love having Nick on. Coming up next, Rob Parker makes sense yesterday. That in itself is newsworthy. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd.

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He doesn't like to fight. Dwayne Wade and LeBron James get into a fight. I take Dwayne Wade. Dwayne Wade's one of the toughest players in league history. You know how many seven-footers in this league are soft? Those are European bigs? I mean, those guys don't want to get in fights. The toughest guys in NBA history have been small guys.

There have been a lot of Rod Strickland, you don't want to fight. Alan Iverson, you don't want to fight. Dwayne Wade, Chris Paul, you want no piece of those guys. Russell Westbrook. You want no piece of Russell Westbrook. You know how many centers in this league aren't tough guys? Anybody that's 6-9-2-20 in high school and athletic can dominate. LeBron dominates high school football.

Of course he does. He's big and strong. Big strong kid. But college, now guys hit back. Now you line up as a tight end over Nick Bosa. How you doing, player? Nick's nasty. Like to hit you right in the neck.

In the NFL, it's Khalil Mack every Sunday. It's nothing against LeBron James. The story he was going to play for the Dallas Cowboys. people have no idea. Tony Gonzalez blocked. Tony is tough and physical. Tony's a way better football player than a basketball player. Basketball players are soft.

Basketball players, it's a bunch of six, seven, and a half guys that have never been in a fight in their life. Jalen Rose used to joke. He, man, we all protecting the moneymaker. We don't get in fights. NBA fights in the 70s and 80s when guys were fighting for a piece of the pie. Do you know what this NBA was in the 70s and 80s, less skilled.

NBA guys now are Kevin Durant in fights. Steph Curry in fights? You guys aren't fighters? They're just great athletes. That's why when you go watch the UFC, UFC is great. You go watch a UFC fight. The big muscle-bound guy is never the tough guy.

What's that guy we watched two weeks ago, Goulet? The kid from Arizona, Justin Gachie, that guy's a bag of hammers. Justin Gachie would walk into the studio. I'm 6'2, 200 pounds. I'm bigger than him. I'd last a nickel with him. I'd last five seconds.

So if you want to play in the NFL, you've got to be tough. You've got to like fights. You've got to be physical. Jimmy Graham, everybody goes, ooh, Jimmy Graham can't block this Starbucks cup. That's why Chicago just overpaid for him, why he didn't work in Green Bay,

why the Seahawks should have never, ever traded Max Unger for Jimmy Graham. And Jimmy worked in New Orleans with a Hall of Fame quarterback and a brilliant head coach. He didn't work anywhere else. he can't block. By the way, it's why Gronk at the end was still valuable, because Gronk, who

is tough. By the way, Grunk grew up like D. Wade, like Michael Jordan, with brothers. Battling brothers at 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, wrestling with brothers in the backyard. You're going to find tough guys throughout sports. A lot of times grew up with tough brothers.

And they were wrestling their whole life and getting physical and getting in fights. Guys like me, I didn't grow up with a brother. I'm soft. I talk. I don't want to get in fights. I wouldn't say basketball players are soft. Basketball players are extremely physical. Even today, you're taking a lot of man-on-man impact.

From other soft guys. Soft is not a word I would use. There's a different skill set, a different... Some seven-foot-one, two-hundred-nine European center. ...to your body that's required to play football. That's why training camp is so important, because you, you know, after week after You get the calluses, you know. Carl Malone is tough.

That guy has tractors. I'm not going to argue that MJ's era and before that wasn't tougher than today's era. But I still think it's very physical. It's just a different skill set. NFL football, your brother's tough. Your brother played games. I talked to him about this. Your brother played games.

They had to numb his foot. It was falling off. Yes, he's been. Football players are extremely tough. hockey players are extremely tough. I'm not arguing that it's more physical and obviously it is. I'm just saying that don't underestimate the physicality of professional basketball. LeBron is strong.

He's not tough. He's strong. But in a fight, if I said MJ LeBron, not even close. Yes. And LeBron's 35 pounds. LeBron's strong. He's not a fighter. 15 years in the league.

He's never even looked like he. He backs off from guys. I do think LeBron could play in today's NFL. where receivers are more protected. I like LeBron, by the way. Why am I always framed as a LeBron hater? I love LeBron. This and Dak, I want to play that game next.

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I got all sorts of funny guys on today. Darrell Mori, Houston Rockets, GM is going to join me in five minutes, super smart guy. Matt Mosley, Dallas Morning News, columnist, very, very, very, very funny guy. Brock Heward, Fox Sports College Football, dude, sounds like we're going to get college football. And Joy Taylor is joining me. See, Joy, we were talking about this whole thing about LeBron could play in the NFL, and my takeaway is LeBron's big and strong. He's not physical enough.

He doesn't even like playing center in the NBA. he's the biggest, strongest guy in the NBA, and he's launching three-pointers. He doesn't... Duane Wade doesn't like three-pointers. Duane attacks the basket because Duane's tough. Don't confuse... And you had a line about big tough...

Everybody thinks big guys are tough guys, and you said... Big tree fall hard. Big tree fall hard. You go to these UFC fights. Some of these guys are five, seven and a half, 140 pounds, and they could knock out six-foot-four guys. Knock them out. Well, because sometimes, I mean, you see in the NFL,

too, like just running backs who are completely unassuming in public without pads on, but they would literally run directly over you, just run over you physically. Is this like how you're built on, you know, on the inside? Like, I don't really like pain. I'm not. Ray Lewis is like five. Ray Lewis is five, nine and a half. You don't look at Ray Lewis.

And then all of a sudden you see Ray and you see the chest and you see is the way he looks at you and you're like good. You don't want those problems. Mike Tyson's one of the shortest heavyweight champs of all time. And you certainly don't want those problems. Yeah, it's like some guys aren't built to get hit or hit. By the way, Rob Parker was on the show yesterday. He was talking about, he brought up a great point,

this idea that nobody wants to play with Michael. Kevin Durant couldn't play with Michael. Nobody could play with Michael Jordan. Here's Rob Parker, interesting points yesterday. If anything, nobody wants to play with LeBron. I mean, Paul George turned him down twice. Kauai Leonard would have had an easy street to come to L.A. to play with AD and LeBron with the Lakers.

He turned that down. Kyrie Irvin won a championship with LeBron asked for a trade. And the only guy who was able to come play with him was like a star. And nobody wanted to come to Cleveland. That's why I went to Miami. And AD, that was an agent thing because he signed with LeBron's agent. He's not wrong on any of that stuff. That's not factually wrong.

Here's the thing I would say with LeBron. To win a championship, you generally have to have a third really good player. The third player on LeBron teams always gets marginalized. Kyle Kuzma was 18 a game. Joy, we thought he was going to be potentially an All-Star. LeBron comes to town. He averages 12 a game. He is just a guy. He's a throw-in trade piece. He's just a guy in the league. Chris Bosch was 25 and 10 in Toronto. He went down to 18 a game, scored zero in one of the championship games. Zero. Kevin Love went from 25 a game to 16, totally margin. The third guy, because LeBron has to have the ball in his hands, and LeBron wants bigs and centers.

I mean, Anthony Davis, the whole talk was before he became a Laker was Anthony Davis is the second best player, maybe the best player in the league. You see him with LeBron? You watch the games? I do. He scores a lot, but nobody talks about him being the second best or best player in the league. It's Kauai, it's Yannis, it's LeBron, some say Hardin. Nobody's talking to Anthony Davis now because LeBron's got the ball in his hands. LeBron is the system.

Now, people say Michael Jordan couldn't be coached, or he played in the triangle. He fought the triangle. When he won a championship, he puts his arms around Phil Jackson, and Phil Jackson, the first championship, says to him, you want it the right way. What did that mean? It means, you want it in my system. You were coachable. You did it the right way. It wasn't just about you.

LeBron's never stood up for a coach like that or had that kind of coaching connection, because LeBron is the system. That's why the third guy always feels lost. Rick Buecker talked about, you know, LeBron said, I could have been Scotty Pippen with Michael Jordan. We could have played together. And Rick Buecher talked about that. Bronn shaped this in that I could have been Scotty.

He's welcoming himself to be Scotty Pippin. And the people that I've talked to in the league have said, yes, he could have been, he would have been Scotty Pippin on steroids. He wanted to be the facility. He didn't want to be the go-to guy at the end of games. He could have filled that role. And if he comes into the league as the number two to Michael Jordan, then maybe we never get there.

But at this stage, the way he described Scotty Pippen, you would have thought Scotty Pippen was the driving force of that team. I don't, I think LeBron and Michael Jordan, I don't think it works. Because I think Michael at some point's like, bro, I'm the better player. Like, I am the better player, and I'm not going to have you have the ball and only pass when you feel it's right. So I don't think they would have played together. I think LeBron is tougher to coach and tougher to play with than everybody says.

And I think he's great. But this idea that Michael's impossible to play with, and LeBron's easy to play with, Michael went six for six. He played with a lot of different kind of guys. He played with crazy guy, Rodman. He played with European star Coo Coach. He played with slasher, immature guy at times, Scotty Pippin. He played with marginal players. He played with a Horace Grant, a Steve Kerr, a Ron Harper, who was a star in another team.

Michael played with a variety of players with a very strong coach and Phil Jackson who had a system you had to fit into. Michael was amenable to change. LeBron hasn't shown inability. All of his number three guys get marginalized. All of them. He is the system. By the way, a lot of criticism about this documentary. said this to start the show. Now everybody's looking at the documentary and trying to pick holes in it.

It was great. We all watched it. We all loved it. No reasonable person didn't like it and enjoy it. It was fun. Now, I do get some people, Carl Malone's like, I don't want to watch. It's too painful. I get that. Reggie Miller's like, I didn't watch it. Why would I want to watch me lose? It was the worst time in my life. I get that. But Horace Grant's criticizing the documentary, saying basically, I mean, Michael's got, basically, he's calling it a fake documentary. Talks Barclay. They've been friends for over 20, 30 years,

and he said something about Michael's management with the Charlotte Barb Casas or Charlotte Hornets. And then they haven't spoken since then. My point is that he said I was a snitch, but yet still after 35 years, he brings up his rookie year going into one of his teammates' room

and seeing Coke and weed and women. why the hell that he wanted to bring that up? What's that got to do with anything? I mean, if you want to call somebody a snitch, that's a damn snitch right there. Okay, that's the wrong bite. He went on to say, he called the last dance a so-called documentary. He said some have pointed to the fact that two of Jordan's closest confidants were executive producers.

Jordan had final say and creative control over the project, although Jason Harris denied that. Michael watched it, but he didn't have creative control. stop Michael didn't change anything first of all what did you feel manipulated when you watched the documentary I didn't I feel manipulated

by that dumb article the guy in New York wrote about Michael Jordan's documentary he's trying to manipulating me into believing that Michael's miserable and lonely and empty that's manipulation I never felt manipulated

by the way the gambling stuff they talked about it they talked about it they did a segment on it like five 10 minutes on it the Steve Kerr fight. They talked about it. His dad's death, painful.

They talked about it. Michael Jordan's mean. Michael Jordan basically broke down on the documentary. They talked about everything. I never felt one time I was fooled or manipulated by the documentary. I do understand that documentaries, it's visual. So if you don't have video of certain things, you can't go 15 minutes about an incident if you have no video of the incident.

They probably would have gone longer on Steve Kerr if they had the video of Steve Kerr. if they had the video of Steve Kerr, which nobody has. So I feel much more manipulated and tricked and more agendas reading about the guy writing about the documentary, then I do the documentary. Second of all, to get you got to give. If you, the Shaq and Penny 30 for 30, you know who the executive producers were?

Shack and Penny. In the world we live in today, if you're going to do a Jay-Z Beyonce doc, they're going to have to sign up on it. Because they have all the footage or most of it. That's the reality today with documentaries. If you want access, you go to the people to get the access and the interviews. Otherwise, you're doing a documentary.

How good is this documentary if Michael doesn't talk? It's not the same documentary. If Michael says, I'm not talking, my mom's not talking. It's not the same documentary. They were the two stars of it, I thought. So it's like all journalists have sources, right? Let's just talk journalism. We all have sources.

I have them. That doesn't mean I never criticize them, but I criticize them more softly. I do it with honey and not vinegar, right? Right. That's how I have sources. I have to criticize people from time to time who are my sources, but, you know, there's a way to land the punch. Secondly, who do you think is going to do the LeBron 10-part documentary? Spring Hill Entertainment, LeBron's company. Who do you think is going to do it? You think LeBron's not going to have final say on it? So I never once felt manipulated. I hear this whole thing. Well, Peter Vessy, where was Peter Vessie?

Peter Vessie was known as an NBA insider. You didn't need him. You had Sam Smith, who was even more of a Bulls insider. Sam Smith covered the Bulls exclusively. So you got Sam the Insider. You had David Aldridge. You had some media guys, Bob Costas. You didn't need a fourth and fifth guy.

Vessie was an NBA insider, but we had the Bulls insider. That's what you were looking for. Access to Michael. Guy who wrote a book about Mike. So I never, you know, these documentaries, I never watched it once and thought, boy, they're hiding all sorts of stuff. Everybody kept telling me, oh, they're not going to talk gambling. They did. They're not going to talk Steve Kerrfite.

They did. They're not going to talk about Michael being mean. They did. They talked about all of it. At length, all of it. But also, don't confuse journalism for entertainment. They're two very, very, very, very different things. They get often blurred, especially today.

journalism has a certain responsibility to the truth and sources and multiple outlets, and you don't have to get permission, and you're just giving the truth as you have sourced it. Entertainment, they don't have an obligation to tell Horace's story. It's not about Horace. It's about Michael. I told you about my wife freaked out with making a murder. This is outrageous. They're framing him. And I said, you think these documentary people are journalists.

they've got a story. The guy tortured animals and stalked women. He's a wackadoo. There's a reason he's in prison. He's nuts. That's what bad people do. But those people wanted to be sympathetic, making a murderer, rural guy, framed by the prosecutor. No, no, no.

That guy's behind the gray bar motel right now for a reason. Documentaries and documentarians are they've got... Storytellers. They're storytellers. That's what they are. It was a great story. I've been critical of Jordan for years and love LeBron. I've become a sympathizer for MJ and rough on LeBron.

Like, don't overanalyze it. Michael was great and competitive. You hurt some feelings. You know, you break some eggs. That's the life. Darryorne's around the corner. We found him. He's around the corner.

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Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with a little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam Jay. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down,

and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so you all right. Yeah, yeah, literally. But just so y'all know. I mean, at this point,

Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed, correct. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah.

For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, guys? This is Clifford Taylor the Fourth. And on my podcast, The Clifford Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game.

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So since he's 13th season as the Rockets GM. Since becoming their GM in 2007, the Rockets have never had a losing season, ever. Nine playoff appearances, second most wins in the league, third most average points per game. And you're saying, where are the titles? The basketball gods were cruel to the Utah Jazz. Back then, the basketball gods were good to Akeem because Michael retired, and here was Houston. And Daryl is joining us via the Coward Global Satellite Network. Well, I know Darrell has been doing social distancing because I see that beard,

and I know you have mostly been at home. So let me start with this. I heard you could not watch the last dance because it was too painful for you. Is that true? That's absolutely true. So I grew up in Cleveland. I would add the cavaliers on that list of Utah Jazz. We were in my head when I was a young kid, a young kid.

we were the best team in the league and this guy Jordan kept knocking us off. I think they beat us five times in eight years or something from the playoffs. Scottie Pippen told me privately once. I asked him a question. I said, who's the best team never got credit? He goes, Cleveland was so physical

and so long. He goes, we struggled. It was so meaningful to beat Cleveland because we really, it was a bad matchup. They were longer than us and almost nobody was. Now, in the documentary, that you did not see.

Jerry Krause comes off pretty poorly. I've argued this. GM's a tough job. You have a billionaire above you. You got to deal with agents all day. You got to deal with star players. Part of being a good agent is being conciliatory, is being social.

Is it fair to say Jerry Krause was lousy at that and therefore his reputation is well earned? Well, he made a lot of good moves. so I respect that. He also came from baseball like I did. That was my, my, where I came originally. And I spoke to him twice before he passed, rest in peace, Jerry. But I would say, and I've said what you just said privately to people, if you have your best player not liking you, then you are not doing a good job by definition. That is, if you have a job in the NBA, that is, that is job one. The other jobs are to get great players around them,

but if you have your best player not with you, then that's going to limit your ability to win. Now, Jordan was so amazing and Pippin was amazing, and the other players were so amazing that they won despite that. But there needs to be a good relationship between ownership, the GM, the coach, and the top player, or I've not seen teams win. By the way, you're wearing a T-shirt.

What's on the T-shirt right now? That's my Hardin meme right there. Okay, there you go. So I said this the other day because there was a story that James Hardin was not on a conference call with players. And I said, I've loved the NBA since 1972. I was the kid that collected basketball cards, not baseball cards. And I said, James Hardin may go down as a better version of George Gervyn. posters, nickname, legend, scoring titles,

but he's a little bit to some guys as a solo act, got his own shot, got his own move, and that's credible, you get rich, you get popular, and everybody loves George Gervin. But could I make an argument with Hardin? It is possible that he is built. It's a different game. It's got a George Gervin quality,

and that may not equate to tons of titles. Well, we're going to win titles, so then that'll kill your argument. That's my plan. I would say the two stories have made me realize how hard your job is right now, Colin. One was the Who's on the group phone call story because we got nothing else to talk about.

The other one was, can you eliminate a teammate from your group text if they use Android? That was like a lead story. So I feel for you guys, without live sports, we're hurting you. You guys are struggling for stories. So you don't necessarily, listen, how often do you talk to James?

What is your relationship? Yeah, we talk, we talk all the time. If you're not, if you, again, if you don't have a good relationship and he doesn't feel like he's part of what he's creating to win a title, he needs to be bought in and feel like he's a part of everything. And the good thing is he's incredibly smart and so is, so is Russell and incredibly dedicated to the team. And, you know, we've had the, the incredible run that you just talked about it. the opener that, you know, is just short of a title so far. A big part of it is just how smart and how much James wants to win and how much he feels bought into everything that's being done here.

Darrell Moyer Rockets, GM. So I ask people this all the time when they're part of something unique. Money Balls my favorite sports movie of all time. The Billy Bean story. I read the book, Michael Lewis. I love it. I've said I'm into analytics, but I also believe you have to acknowledge man-a-lidics, that you're dealing with people, don't reduce them just in numbers.

These are young men who are, they got some ego and they got some pride. Don't reduce them in numbers. But I want you to take me back because you've been on the forefront of this analytic drive. What was the car ride the day, the moment, the practice, the moment, Daryl, that you said to yourself, wait a minute, wait a minute, the three-point shot is not used enough. there had to have been a moment, a plane ride, a book, a graph. Do you remember what it was and where it was? Yeah, absolutely.

So I sort of out of the blue got a job interview with the Rockets in 2006. I didn't know this, but the Rockets had been looking for a replacement for Carol Dawson. It was a fantastic GM, but was looking to step away. and before I went into that interview, I said, you know, I have to find something to make me stand out from the group that they're looking at. And obviously, it wasn't like shocking to know the three-point shots are worth more than two, and you could look at the percentages. That wasn't the thing.

The biggest thing was like looking at it in a systematic way and seeing things like, if you go two for six from three, it's the same as going three for six from two. and there's an extra rebound in there that you can get as well. So there was such an inherited advantage to build, to build your structure around being efficient. And at the end of the day, that's your job. Your job is to score more points than the other team, and you need to do that every time down to the floor.

So shooting more threes and preventing them. And Jeff Van Gundy, to his credit in my first year, we led the league in three-pointers in the very first year that he and I worked together when I came to Houston. and Jeff's sort of like an underrated sort of understanding of all these things. And nobody talks about that team. But and then over time, you know, we've sort of moved towards it. And then Mike Dantone, with his offensive mind and his genius, he's taking it to yet another level.

And really just one of the all-time great teams is keeping us from winning in a hamstring probably kept us from a title. Yeah. Daryl Morey's joining us. You know, in a documentary, you've heard a lot of stories about, you know, guys couldn't play with. MJ today, current players couldn't play. And I think it's a lot of nonsense because I think players like to win. That's why so many NBA stars take less

money. They want to win games. And Michael would have won games. LeBron's not always easy to play with. He's attracted some players. So Akeem did play with Barclay and Pippen. And I remember going back, there was a lot of, it wasn't easy. Now, that

was a situation where Barkley, Akeem, and Pippen may have just had different personalities. But you know Akeem well. Has he ever told stories about that group of guys that are memorable? He has. And I think Akeem would even say that he's gone through a transformation where he was maybe a tough teammate more early. He was still, I know, tough on certain guys like Matt Bullard. He's told me a lot of stories as well. But yeah, no, the Barclay Pippin teams in particular, there are there are quite a bit of stories. I remember one. And I want to

say who like one of the players would say all you guys you need to stop going out late at night and show up on time and it and whoever makes that speech is usually the one who's out the latest and doesn't show up on time and that was that was what heme told me yeah I always find that was talk show hosts who are moralists they've always got skeletons all over their closet that's why joy and I are not moralist joy we go out late at night absolutely not I barely sleep yeah all right It's not very unsafe to be a moralist because pretty much no one is. Thank you very much. Finally, let me ask this. Are you optimistic today about the potential for an NBA season? Very optimistic. I mean, I think everyone wants to play players, owners, and obviously we have to do it in a smart way.

But the momentum is there. And I think the only thing may be holding us back now is that as things get smartly rolled out, and opened up and the Bundes League is playing if there's some material setback that that could affect things. But otherwise, it's just a matter of when and how for us to play. Darrell Mori, it's great seeing you. Reping the Rockets, the James Harden shirt. I love that and the Rockets hat. And we'll get him a razor soon. He'll shave soon.

It just a matter of time. Yeah, I definitely need a razor. And if I don't have to dress up, this is great. Good seeing you, Darrell. Thanks for having on, Colin. You bet. Smart guy, Rockets, it's GM. We've all been spending more quality time with the family hanging out together. Get to the grill.

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No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Sponsored by Mercedes-Benz, the best or nothing. So the contract negotiation that will never end, coincidentally, neither one of us really like talking about other people's money. Yeah, I don't, I don't. Particularly players' money, particularly players' money in a salary cap situation.

But Dak Prescott is the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys. Dallas Cowboys are a huge brand, so we are going to continue talking about it until it's done. And they are still going over the DC. of his long-term deal. According to Chris Sims, the Cowboys offered Jack a five-year, $175 million contract.

Russell Wilson's contract. That's what Russell Wilson makes. That is the equivalent to Russell's contract, yes. But DAC prefers a four-year deal. So he is reportedly looking for somewhere around $45 million in that fifth year to agree to the longer deal. Now, that sounds like a whole lot,

but in five years from now, that with, you know, the salary cap, that might not essentially be a lot. 45 million is still a lot either way, even if the salary cap does. Yeah, like it's 45 million for Dak Prescott. In what world is that not a lot? Well, in five years from now,

hypothetically, he would be your starting quarterback and would be great, right? So you may once pay him that if the salary cap has gone up. But you also usually in these contracts have a drop year. So they could, if he wasn't, what they need him to be to pay $45 million. They could essentially cut him because we know, you know, NFL contracts are not all guaranteed. All this money is not guaranteed.

Essentially, like, $106 million of it would be guaranteed. But he would be set to be the seventh highest paid quarterback in the NFL. Either way, because the franchise tag will pay him over $31.4 million if he doesn't agree to a long-term deal. And if this particular deal will start like $35 million. Again, we're just throwing all these numbers out, but they're basically getting down to years and numbers. So I have firmly been in the camp that they should pay Dak Prescott.

He should be the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys. He does deserve to get paid. He hasn't made any money. Obviously, that's not the Cowboys' fault that he hasn't made any money. He was the fourth round draft pick for a reason. And he is definitely overachieved and has been underpaid. However, that shouldn't throw things completely out of balance either. If I'm Dak Prescott, I'm more concerned about security.

Now, we're not talking about Scotty Pippin contract security. I'm not saying you should sign a bad deal, but this is not a bad deal for Dak Prescott. It is starting, and I've been pretty firm with supporting DAC. It is starting to concern me. Like, what you don't want to get into is a situation where you're playing on the franchise tag, and God forbid you get injured.

Like, that is a huge risk. Like, you're betting on yourself, which so far has worked out, but that's a huge, huge risk to take. So winning the NFC South got a lot more difficult this season with the addition of Tom Brady to the Bucks. Atlanta faces Tampa twice in the last three weeks of the season. It's weird scheduling, yeah. Yeah, and Matt Ryan knows that the Falcons will need to take advantage of those late divisional matchups.

He said it didn't get any easier in our division. They're solid. Tampa's defense was really tough. They add Tom, who's such a consistent and great player. The division's going to be a battle every week. I think at any time you get those division games late in the year, it gives you a chance to either make up grounds or separate yourself, and that's what we're going to need to do that time of year.

So their divisional schedule is kind of interesting. They obviously play the Bucks at home week 15. Yeah, play the Bucks at home week 15 and away week 17. They play the Saints away week 11 and home week 13. Well, that's the new NFL schedule. You want division rivals end of the year. They figured that out about five years ago. And so Atlanta's schedule down the stretch and Tom's, by the way, is brutal.

It's brutal. They play the Panthers early, week five and week eight. But for the Falcons, they also have a trip to Kansas City in between those two games against the Buccaneers. So they're going to need to play great at the end of the season, or they will miss the playoffs for the third straight year, which is a pretty colossal tumble from almost beating Tom Brady in the Super Bowl to missing the playoffs for three straight years. So you're going to need to play good on the stretch.

So Melvin Gordon got to see his new quarterback, Drew Locke up close when the Chargers visited the Broncos last season. It was Locke's first win as a starter. And Gordon thinks he will continue to grow as a star in this league. I think he can be a really good player. He makes some really great growth. You know, I think, you know, when he gets full control of the offense, when he's really out there dictating and really telling guys what to do and how to do it,

I think when he gets that control and his confidence gets, you know, to that level, you know, he's going to be a monster. Obviously, you know, those last couple games, he kind of built that confidence. I'm assuming now, you know, but just more games under his belt where that confidence just, I mean, it just flourished. And just when he walks and talks, you could just. see it come out. I think he's going to be a bad man. He's got, they got good weapons now. They have real weapons now. They went and got two

great receivers in the draft. They had Cortland Sutton. They got Noah Fant. They got Melvin. They got two legit running. It's a real team now. They got to get their left tackle situation fixed. This is a really, really good personnel team offensively with a great defensive coach. Watch out. I don't want to get crazy about Drew Locke. He's got a big arm. I like Drew Locke. Big arm. And the one thing that he keeps talking about, which is something that a lot of evaluators mention as very crucial intangible for quarterbacks is confidence.

And Drew Locke does not lack confidence. But I like that about him. And I think playing in a place like Denver, you kind of have to have that air about you to be successful. It's sort of what the Broncos have lacked over the past couple years. You also got a John Elway hovering over you. That's what I'm saying. Like you have to, you know, you got to have it.

to have a little something with you. And Drew Locke does. I'm really excited to watch the Broncos this year. So I feel like the Broncos are a team that, you know, there's certain teams in the league that are, the league's just better when they are competitive. Yep. The Broncos, I think the Giants are a team like that.

Denver games late afternoon, Sunday games in Denver, shadows coming down, mile high, you know. There's just something about that team and brand that it's, they're just like a fun team to watch. It's better when they're good. I feel the same way about the Giants. Like the league just, it's like you're kind of missing something when you don't have the giants, at least in the playoff conversation.

Like, you know they're going to be a dead. So I'm really looking forward to see what Drewlock does this year. Good stuff, Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie News. Matt Mosley, funny guy, insider columnist Dallas Morning News. This DAC story is, wow.

45 million last year of the deal. What are you seeking? Wow. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in.

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I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so you all right. Yeah, yeah, literally. But just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed, correct. So I'm starting to see there's a through line.

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Check it out.mdriveRelax.com. MDriveRlax.com. They're offering 50% off. And with that, the news about Dak Prescott, $175 million deal. It seems reasonable to me. It's the Russell Wilson contract. And I don't think he's close to Russell Wilson as a talent. And I think Dak's got a better O-line, wide receiver tandem and running back than Russell

Wilson and Russell Wilson has 15 more touchdown passes in the last three years than every other quarterback in the league. Number two is Tom Brady. He's 15 touchdown passes back. That has 74. Russell's got 100 with better people around him. With that, let's go to Matt Mosley, Cowboy Insider, covered the Cowboys for 17 years. Co-host of the Dooms Day podcast with my friend Edward. Let's start with this. Even Joy Taylor who supports him, said, listen, there's a point where you support somebody, but it may not be. be perfect, but it seems like now a reasonable offer to DAC. Is that what people in Dallas believe? Well, I think they would probably not be where you are, which I heard earlier today, you were ready to

ride with Andy Dalton. I don't think anybody's quite there. The Andy, although it might be growing a little bit. And I get it, 45 million sounds exorbitant. I mean, these numbers get thrown around. I don't know if we've ever had a great fill for all this is. But the The thing is, the thing you've got to remember is Jerry, it's like he's a father to these people. When they found this player in the fourth round in his mind, it's a very Romo-like. He loves the story, the narrative, all of that kind of stuff. So if you're just being sort of bloodless and look at this, you go, yeah, won't you play this thing out?

See what do you get on the open market? I'm just telling you on July 15th, that deadline, this deal gets done. But I understand the apprehension and everybody that Russell Wilson deserves more money. But again, he's already gotten his contract done. He was, you know, in bed with Sierra, the whole fun thing. Dak has not. Dax waited. And he has, he has Jerry exactly where he wants him.

And this will be an enormous deal. And if the Cowboys truly want a five-year deal, they're going to have to beef up that, you know, that fifth year. we've always known this could end up being as much as Russell Wilson was going to make. So why did they bring Andy Dalton in, who's a reasonable talent facsimile to DAC? I mean, if I think it was to get some leverage back, was it not? I don't think they ever looked at it like that. I think Andy, after all those years of Cincinnati, kids go to school here. He wanted one year here.

Let's reestablish, see if he can get some marketability, and then next year go get a big paycheck or whatever. It's a one-year deal. I don't think now, it is nice to have a competent backup. They've gone far too long. They've had Cooper Rush back there. They have not really done well. And that's Jerry has gotten so mad at Jason in the past when he went with inferior backup. So while it's important, I don't sense that it has a lot to do with DAC.

But a lot of people were offended. I mean, Des thought, how could you offend? I mean, Des is, for some reason, he's like our biggest commentator around here. He gets on Twitter and goes crazy. He was offended. He thought Dak should be offended. I'll just say this. Dak is a very, very calm and cool character, and none of this has phased him.

And he will let this thing play out. And then again, about July 14th, this deal gets done. And it will. And it'll be an enormous deal. And there'll be people, oh, that's too much. That's too much. But let's remember in five years, think about how much can change. To get him to go from the four years he wants to five years, this might be the jump you need.

Might 45 million, what sounds huge right now, not be such an insane price in five years? LeBron James, Cowboys offered him a deal, 2011. I think it's a lot of nonsense and PR stuff because I think LeBron was a great high school football player, but he's not even a physical NBA player. I don't think he wants to block and get hit and hit. I don't buy into the nonsense, but was it a real story, do you think? You don't think he's a physical NBA player. I think he likes to shoot three.

As the biggest, strongest, fastest guy in the league, Dwayne Wade attacks the rim and attacks bigger players. LeBron would rather settle for a 28-foot fallaway. I think he's big. I don't think he's tough. I think at times he bulls his way to the hoop. He's shown it. Now, how would he have been for the captain?

I think you're right. This is some kind of publicity deal. I'm surprised Jerry has not jumped all over this and said, oh, here's the contract and it's another 24 hours. This is a fun deal. Do I think he would have been a great football player in 2011? No. You can't do it that quickly. Could he have been some unbelievable wide receiver or a target or something if he had had done this coming out of high school? You bet. But I mean, I've heard the way they used him in high school, they were throwing a little out routes to just get him out of bounds. I mean, it's, They were trying not to get him hurt. So there was no way he was going to pull that off. I mean, this was, to me, the last dance was getting so much attention. This felt like to me, LeBron was kind of like, oh, man, Michael's getting all the attention. I kind of need to weigh in here with something. And I think LeBron was missing all the attention. And a little bit of that.

And so I think that's that played into him bringing that up. Hey, Dak and McCarthy, are they even Zoom? talking? Are they doing anything? I never hear about this relationship at all. It's a lot like the two of us. It's a DM-only relationship. I think at some point they will move to the next step. I don't know how often they talk. He does not strike me as a particularly like Jason Garrett, while he kind of had that bloodless robotic look about him, Jason Garrett love those players. He love reaching out to him. He loves saying these are my kind of guys. I think McCarthy has come in here and said, you are going to have to prove it to me. Now, that doesn't

mean he's playing any role in this contract. Don't hear me wrong. I don't think he's played any role in that, but you're right to say this is not so far a warm and fuzzy deal. And nobody's telling him what to do. I think that's interesting. I think this guy's come in here and he's not letting Stephen and Jerry tell him what to do. And by the way, we're all happy. Jerry is back in his office at the star and all seems right with the world. The Texas economy is back running in the right direction because Jerry is back in place. We feel very good about it. Good stuff. All right, let's grow our relationship beyond DMing. You could always come to California and we would take it at lunch and dinner. We would love to do that. It'll be on the company. Okay, I'll drive out there.

I'm not doing a lot of flights right now, but yeah, I'll load up the family and head out there. Like the clampage. Matt Mosley, one of my favorite people. All right, buddy, good talking to you. All right. Take it easy. All right. He's very, very funny.

His show was the number one stream radio show in the state of Texas. He's very good on radio. Very impressive. Very impressive. Don't you think it's weird? So, when Brady goes to Tampa, all you hear about is Bruce Ariens like, oh, my guy, I love Tom Brady. Put my arms around him.

McCarthy and Daxie and Dax. have no relationship? You never hear anything about it. You don't, you wouldn't... Well, I mean, we know they don't have any relationship. You'd hear something. All I hear is Brady. Oh, the warmth of Bruce Ariens.

And Arias like, oh, the greatness of Tom Brady. Jack and McCarthy, I haven't heard a compliment. Well, I mean, Mike McCarthy did kind of lean Green Bay with the reputation of not being super communicative with his quarterback. Is that it? I mean, they had a huge fallout. I'm not picking sides here, but it's, you know, there was two very clear sides to the story, Mike McCarthy side and Aaron Rogers side.

You'd think you'd hear a little love, just something. I mean, it's just like... Maybe he's just trying to stay out of it until the contract negotiations are done. Who else got a quarterback this year? Who else got a guy? Matt Rule. Oh, my God. Teddy Bridgewater. Oh, it's just horrific.

Oh, Matt, did it... I got nothing, not even a card. It just seems icy. Maybe I'm reaching. It feels icy. No, I don't think that you're, I don't think you're off there. I'm just saying maybe he's just saying quiet because if he starts saying glowing things about Dak Prescott, then they can start, you know, they can start swaying fans and thinking that DAC needs a bigger deal than he is.

Like, they're in the middle of a contract negotiation. Let's get Dax agent on. Is Tom Condon, Dax agent, let's get him on the show. I want to argue with him. America's ready to get back to work, but to win in the new economy. You need every advantage to succeed smart companies. run on NetSuite by Oracle, the world's number one cloud business system. Receive your free guide right now and free tour, by the way, how to get things done in this

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Hey, you know, this is, you know, Joy and I have said this during the pandemic. I'm not a doctor. We don't know. Social distancing, I do believe, matters. And I think sun matters, vitamin D, immune system. Get out, get out to the sun. Just to show you how confusing this is. Nobody trusts Florida's numbers, right?

Everybody's like, come on, they're fudging the numbers. Denmark announced today. They opened up five weeks ago, Denmark. And they've had, they're not getting the virus hit again. And Denmark acknowledged today, we don't know how. They're like, oh, we should have more cases. We don't. We don't know what it is.

There are so many things about this virus, we just don't know. We just, epidemiologists don't know. I talked to a surgeon and became a billionaire this weekend and he's like, I think the sun matters. He's a genius. So it's like when this whole, that's why I'd never try to have strong opinions other than socially distance, wear a mask if you can and get out into the sun. Get out into the sun. Vitamin D, lots of it. That's my opinion.

Yeah, just trying to be responsible. But don't ask Twitter because the only people that do know are on Twitter. on Twitter. By the way, I've been trying to play this game all day. Sometimes I'm not into my staff. It's called Diss or Dack. I wanted to play it like two hours ago. We do a game called Diss or Dack.

And I'm saying, I'm not paying him $35 million a year. Give me quarterbacks. And I'll tell you today if I would take Dack or Dis Guy. Diss or Dac. This is one of my favorite games. But the staff's like, let's do it at the end of the show. It's not good enough. I'm like, no, no, no, it's good enough.

So we're going to play that. Like Goulet, you know. You're just lying to the audience at this point. I'm sorry it takes our limited staff a while to get everything ready for your ideal segment here. I'm filling. I'm feeling three hours a day. I want to hear about your hardships. Three hours a day of content, Joy and I are filling.

All right, feels like the entire off season has been an exhausting back and forth on Dak Prescott's contract negotiations. And here's the latest. Chris Sims is reporting. Dak Prescott, Cowboys have offered he wants four years and 116. 75 million. That's 35 million a year. That's Russell Wilson's contract. And Russell Wilson's contract's not old. He just signed it.

So he thinks he's Russell Wilson. And then in the last year, DAC wants $45 million. Context. In the last three years in the NFL, Russell Wilson has thrown for 100 touchdown passes. That is

15 more than number two in the league. Look it up. It's Tom Brady. blows away everybody in the league, including Tom Brady. Dak has thrown for 74 with a significantly better offensive line, with a superstar running back, and better wide receivers. And Dak had an offensive coach, and you may not like Jason Garrett, but he's an offensive coach.

He knows offensive personnel. Since he's been the cowboy coach, look at their offensive draft picks. Jason Garrett has a say, they've been exceptional. They draft offense, great. Defense, some questions. Dak wants the Russell Wilson contract. Or more. If Dak was on the market today, who'd bid for him?

If Russell Wilson's on the market outside of Kansas City and Baltimore, by 27 teams that would bid for Russell Wilson. I mean, if you hate the Cowboys, you should pray they signed back to this contract because it's over. They'll never get better defensively. I mean, I'm to the point now where I'm God from sympathetic to let him hit the market. Let him hit the market. If he's this delusional, let him hit the market.

Here's the other thing. People make a big mistake on this. Just because you're wildly underpaid in life does not mean you have the right to a powerball ticket later. Everybody's underpaid in this league with their first contract. Lamar Jackson right now is making nothing. He's making nothing. He's making significantly less. than quarterbacks in his own division named Baker Mayfield.

Mahomes is wildly underpaid. If you are good, if you are a really good young quarterback, you're going to be under, Russell Wilson made nothing for four years, made less than a Seattle DJ. And he was winning Super Bowls. Dax tried to win a playoff game. So this idea I was underpaid in my 20s,

I was underpaid in my 20s, joy was underpaid. Contracts are about two things. Leverage and scarcity. Once they brought in Andy Dalton, where's your leverage? Andy's a reasonable facsimile to DAC. Where's your leverage? Number two is there's no scarcity.

Five years ago, there was scarcity. Now, good God, folks. There's four new quarterbacks in the NFL every year from college. They're all working. First round quarterbacks used to be a first round quarterbacks used to be a 50-50 bust. Half just couldn't play. Now, five guys drafted in the first round, four very good. Do you think Josh Allen?

Josh Allen's a better pro quarterback than he was a college quarterback. I mean, Jalen hurts. Two years ago, he got cut from Alabama. Alabama didn't want him. He got drafted in the second round. I mean, you've got to be kidding me on this thing. It's a salary-capped world. Everybody's underpaid in their 20s.

It doesn't mean I give you a powerball ticket. At the end of last year, DAC was not good with a great O line, with great receivers, with an unbelievable running back, with an offensive coach, he was bad. he couldn't score a touchdown against the Patriots or the Eagles. Well, Jason Garrett stinks. Well, I'll tell you what, the new coach, Mike McCarthy, can't think too much of him because he's yet to compliment him, and he brought in Andy Dalton. For the record, Tom Brady and Michael Jordan were underpaid their entire career.

If you go look at what Brady's made and what Michael made for their talent, wildly underpaid. almost everybody, unless they own their own business, is underpaid. When I worked at my last company, the CEO probably made $8 million a year. The CEO of GoPro made $400 million a year because he owned his own company. Unless you own your own company, you're going to be underpaid. The company is going to take 80% of the profits. That's the way the game works.

And we got a salary cap league. but the idea that DAC wants Russell Wilson's contract. I talked to somebody yesterday in Russell Wilson's camp. Russell Wilson has changed his workout regiment this offseason. Why? To get thinner. Why? Because the offensive line in Seattle is so patchwork that they're going to finally allow

Russell Wilson more say in the offense so he can move more and roll out more and do more what he wants because he's running for his life. he's losing bulk to get thinner because he knows he's going to be running around more. Dak never has that problem. Wow. I mean, for a long time, I was like, yeah, Dak kind of got underpaid here. Let's pay the young man. Now I'm like, let him at the market.

Andy Dalton's 85%. Let him at the market. I can save $33 million a year? Insane. All right. So the Michael Jordan documentary is over, right? We've moved on. But now, now, now.

what is happening to the Michael Jordan documentary is people wanting to discredit it. Now all the grippers and the whiners and Michael was mean. The second tier players, the second tier teammates, the newspaper columnists

what a joyless life. They're all coming out of the woodwork. Yesterday, Horace Grant grumble, grumble, grumble, grumble, grumble, went on a radio station, just kind of rambled forever and talked about Michael Jordan has a grudge again, him because Michael Jordan thinks Horace Grant is the person that fed Sam Smith all the inside dirt and information.

Many people think that. Sam denies it. Horace denies it and Horace grumbled about MJ yesterday. If MJ had a grudge with me, let's say it like, man, let's talk about it or we can say it another way. But yet and still, he goes out and put this lie out that I was the source behind. The mere fact that Sam Smith was a investigator reporter, that he had to have two sources, two, to write a book, I guess. Why would MJ just point me out? It's only a grudge, man. I'm telling him, it was only a grudge. And I think he proved that during this so-called documentary when, if you say something about him, he's going to cut you off.

He's going to try to destroy your character. Listen, Horace Grant was a good player, not special. He made one all-star team. That's when Michael retired. Is Horace bitter? Because he never got the respect. That's a big deal for guys. He never got the respect he felt he deserved.

Let's be honest. If you think Bulls, you think of Michael, you think of Scotty, you think a Rodman, you think of Phil, you think of shots by Paxson and Kerr. You don't think about Horace Grant. When you think about the Lakers teams he was on, you think Shaq and you think Kobe and you think Kobe's best friend, Derek Fisher, and you think Robert Ori and you don't think Horace Grant.

And when you think about the Orlando teams, you think about Shaq, and you think about Penny and those miss free throws by Nick Anderson, and you don't think a lot about Horace Grant. Is he bitter, potentially? He felt like he was rambling yesterday. You're getting this now. We're trying to psychoanalyze, Michael. Stop. I read an article yesterday by David Roth, New York Magazine, a very sophisticated magazine. Nobody loves writers more than writers.

And so all the writers yesterday were, oh, what beautiful prose! It was just nonsense. Here's one of the paragraphs. Jordan gave himself entirely to his pursuit, and everything he had went into the furnace to fuel it. That's the story of his life. And while there are many moments in the last dance, when this seems plainly tragic,

moments in which Jordan's life seems empty and cold and joyless. Never, not once. Joyless is being a writer living in 1,200 square foot condo in the East Village. joyless. Michael had unbelievable relationships with his parents. I've never met in my life at 55 years old, somebody who had great relationships with their parents,

who had an empty life. Michael had an unbelievable, loving relationship with his college coach, Dean Smith, with his NBA coach, Phil Jackson. Michael Jordan, in the greatest basketball player in the world, he would retire if Phil Jackson couldn't get a job. I love LeBron. Has LeBron ever stood up for a coach like that? Michael Jordan has a daughter who was quoted this week saying,

oh, he coddles me, he babies me, calls me every day, a son he's close to. He's got the strongest relationship with an agent, David Falk, 20 years later I've ever seen. The writer, David Roth, a brilliant writer, writers, love writers. They retweet them all day. says, this is the deal that Jordan made, knowingly or unknowingly, that he wanted, he would trade everything he had for everything he wanted. And then when he won all those things, he found that he had nothing but that. He doesn't exactly seem happy or even really satisfied.

What the hell are you talking about? Every woman was throwing themselves at him as a 28-year-old male. He was the best in the world at something. He's got the biggest brand in the history of the world. his relationships with his parents were unbelievable. Look at him hug Phil Jackson on the video. Players don't hug their coaches like that. He hugged him like his dad.

His life was full of incredible passions. He lives for his brand. He lived for his parents. He's got a beautiful wife. He lives for his kids. Stop psycho-analyzing him. Michael Jordan's the greatest basketball talent ever, A, and B, he was as competitive as hell. And you know what?

Success is hard and he trampled some people. So did Mark Zuckerberg at Facebook. He probably rolled over a few guys. That's life. So did Steve Jobs. You think his life is joyless? What? I never once watched that episode,

the 10 episodes, and thought his life was empty. I thought it was at times combative. Michael's not passive-aggressive. Michael likes conflict. He gets right in your kitchen. He'll fight you any day of the week. That's not joyless. That's passion.

Michael's not one of these fakes that's nice to your face and bad. If Michael doesn't like you, he'll just won't talk to you. He'll just cut you off. That's not empty or joyless. Michael Jordan is great and Michael Jordan was competitive like nobody I've ever seen. Brock Heward around the corner. Looks like we're going to get a college football season. A lot to talk about.

excited about that. Good broadcaster, good dude, former NFL and college quarterback. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Well, Brock Heward, when he left the University of Washington, held 20 of the school's records. It was a great college quarterback, six years in the NFL, now a very successful talk show host in Seattle. He's a college football analyst for us doing our Fox Sports stuff. Brock Hewer, joining me via the Coward Global Satellite Network. So many NFL and college issues to talk about. You know, it's interesting, Brock.

College football has always felt a little regional to me. The South views it differently as the West. The passion's greater. And I look at the SEC, and I think, Brock, they're just going to have a season. And they don't even care what anybody else is doing. And in the PAC 12, I think it's largely up to what the governor of California allows for large gatherings. Do you feel optimistic today going forward? We'll have a season. Out West. Maybe not quite so much. Down south, yes. Down south, they like to say,

does a one-legged duck swim in a circle? I learned that from my buddy Deems May, who played in North Carolina. And yes, that one-legged duck swims in a circle. And yes, the SEC, I think will play. And they're moving forward. Heck, you know, they're voting to get their kids back on campus either June 1st or June 15th, Colin. So I am curious, though, you know, your guy like me that grew up in the Northwest, was it always this regional? Because when I played 20-some years ago, I never thought of it nearly as regional. Yeah, there was the Blue Bloods.

There was Notre Dame and Michigan, Ohio State, SC, right? There were always Blue Bloods. But it just didn't feel as regional as a player 20, 25 years ago as it does. Now, I can't disagree with you. It is so regionalized, so passionate down south, and the West Coast is certainly chasing that passion. Well, I think a lot of that, Brock, is actually the infiltration of professional sports to the Northwest. I grew up in the 70s. It was basically the Husky football.

And then you get the Mariners. Then you get the Seahawks. Then you get the Sonics in no particular order. Then you get the MLS. In Los Angeles, we have now two NFL teams. We didn't have any five years ago. We have new soccer teams. We have the Clippers and the Lakers are.

both great. So I do think pro sports out West is really formidable as a distraction for college sports. That's part of it. Now, I want to ask you, when you look at the practice time that would be needed, go back to the Washington days. Maybe in the NFL, it's less or more, maybe in college it's less or more. Having played in both, college football, how many weeks do you need? NFL football. How many weeks of practice do you need? Yeah, that's a good question because they're very different, Colin. Physically is a young guy, 18 to 22, you're in your absolute prime. I mean, if you get to work in that offseason and that summer program, and these guys are so much more advanced,

I was just out at a field up here in the Northwest and saw some college kids working out and was reminded what it's like to be in that kind of shape and run forever. And so I think from a fitness, a strength training standpoint, and it's much more year-round in college, even more so now than it was 20 years ago, I don't think Colin it takes more than two or three weeks physically to get themselves ready to go.

The NFL is different, right? The NFL, you're taking care of bodies, but it's so much more mental. The schemes are so much more diverse. Young players coming into these advanced schemes have such a harder time. So it's almost the inverse. I think it's easier physically,

much easier in college to get yourself ready to go. In the NFL, it is that mental side where these rookies are missing, out so much, and I think they're going to be so far behind whenever and how much over time they do end up getting in camp. I'm a huge fan of Russell Wilson. I think I'm a fan of any athlete that I think is underappreciated. Last three years, he has the most touchdown passes in the NFL by 15. Brady is second. Yet DAC today wants reportedly his, he wants a Russell Wilson contract. And I don't think Seattle runs a sophisticated offense. I frankly don't. I think I think Russell Wilson. should have much more say in the offense.

Why do you think he is underappreciated? Sometimes it feels like this two weeks ago, there was a Cam Newton rumor. He feels underappreciated sometimes in his own building. Yeah, because you're still 510 and 5'8s. You're still a third round pick. I mean, those labels, for some reason, stick a lot longer and have stuck a lot longer on Russell

than you're right. Then his resume ever speaks to Colin. We've had you on our radio show for years and years and years screaming, right? And I could remember, in fact, we played your clips way back when when you're like, hey, this guy is a star, arm, A, athleticism, A, toughness, A, winner, A, he's off the charts, right? In all of those things. And, man, did he ever have to fight for year after year after year after year in his own locker room, first and foremost? And I think that's a part of it, Colin.

I think the first half dozen years of his career, he had to fight the Richard Sherman's and the Doug Baldwin's and the people in that locker room. You're talking about nationally getting the credit he's due. How about in his own building? It really wasn't until this year. When Doug moved out and Richards out and Marchand, well, he came back at the end. But it was his team. I mean, clearly his team. And he had the greatest year of his career.

He was phenomenal, one of the best players in all the NFL. I think that's a part of it. When you got to win over your locker room, right? I mean, Tom Brady did that year one with the backpack. Once he started winning and like, sorry, Drew, I love you, but this is my team. And it was, wow, look at Tom, he's great. Everybody loves him. He didn't have to win over that locker room for six plus years as Russell has.

Colin, I think that's an important part of the narrative and why he's always felt like he's had to climb that uphill battle. I'm a believer that Belichick wanted Brady back this year. And they were surprised when he left. And yet, a couple years ago when Brady was younger and to me a little bit more dynamic and had come off a great Super Bowl performance against Atlanta, Belichick was ready to bail on him for Garoppolo. Now, a couple years later, Tom's not quite as dynamic,

coming off in a marginal by Tom's standards season, and Belichick wanted him back. That tells me that Jarrett Stidham isn't as great as all the reports I keep hearing. I saw him in college. I thought he was okay. you saw him in college. I mean, everybody keeps telling me Jared Stidham, this, that.

What is he? I mean, how good is he? Well, he's good, right? Going back to that report card that we just used and looked at Russell and you and I could evaluate early on that this guy was a star in the making, Jared Stidham's arm, eh, be, athleticism,

eh, be, size, B, toughness. I think he's a tough, I think he's a tough guy, and he's had to move around, and he's got some grit and some determination. The one concern I always have, fair or unfair, biased or not, is just a sense of urgency out of some of those southern quarterbacks.

And is there just that sense of urgency? Like, I'm going to take this thing over. This is my team. It's now or never. There's just a real laid-back nature at times down there in the south with some of their quarterbacks over the years. Now, he has the one head coach that will light that urgency flame every single day, every practice did with Tom for two decades.

Certainly has cranked it up on Jared and must feel like he's got that, that toughness to him. But I would agree with you, as far as the raw goods go, I don't think even comparing him to Jimmy Garapolo in all of those areas, arm, athleticism, size. Yeah, I don't think he checks as many boxes as Jimmy does. Finally, I, you grew up with a lot of brothers and a family, and you're, you may not have a massive physical build, although you're very, very tall. But you're a tough guy because you're a football guy. And I think Damon, your brother was actually also a very good basketball player.

I'm not sure if you were, but he was a very good basketball player. You come from a family of boys and banging into each other and tackling in the backyard. And I think that's a huge component to football. Just don't look at a guy's weight and height. Do you have the mentality to hit and to be hit and to block and to be blocked? Big tough guys often don't. So there's a story out that LeBron James, Dallas Cowboys wanted it. And I think, wait, time out.

I watched LeBron James. He'd rather shoot a 28-footer than attack Roy Hibbert six years ago in the NBA. That LeBron's big and strong, but I don't think he understands. I don't think he would have been a football player in the NFL. I don't think that's his makeup. Your thought, everybody just assumes 6-9 runs well, NFL player. Did you ever play with guys who had looked the part? but just didn't want to get hit.

Yeah, lots of them. Yeah. You know, and you're talking about growing up, man, we broke door frames. Remember those old Nerf hoops you put on like the door frame? Oh, my gosh. We broke those hoops. We broke the door frames. This nice little scar here, you know, that's like 40 stitches of running into another dude

on a basketball court, split my chin, broken nose. You're right. I mean, you just kind of rough and tumble. And mom, Grandma Pegg, would be screaming to stop playing knee. football and you're going to break lamps and couches and all that. Yeah, I do think that there is something to it. Now, by no means, if any of my former teammates are watching, they're all going, you're a quarterback. What do you know about getting hit? But you know that physicality. I think the other challenge is, where would LeBron play? Like, you watch Alan Iverson and his old high school

tape. You're like, yep, that's the Sean Jackson. You know, we were talking off the air about Dwayne Wade. Yep, that's really nice size for a wide receiver. Where would LeBron play at 6'8 and 265. Tide ends? Maybe flex them out as a tight end. Maybe. Maybe. But, yeah, I wouldn't sign off on that and say that's a sure deal. Look at that. See, Joy, our theory on this is right.

If you grow up with a bunch of brothers, you break lamps and break your forehead. That's why you've never been in a fight. And I've been in a ton of fights. Yeah, Joy's been in a bunch of fights because she grew up with brothers and I'm a pacifist. Yeah.

I would like, LeBron, I like you to say that to him. say, you know, you just run from people. I like to see him out there. Well, he's tougher than me. See what that force would feel like. Brock cured. I love having you as a teammate. Good talking to you, buddy. Thanks, Colin. Always a blast.

All right. Well, he is really good. He is one of those athletes, term broadcasters. Slick. You listen to him on a broadcast, like a play-by-play analyst job, which is the toughest job in American sports casting football analyst, 300 times in three hours. say something smart in eight seconds. I can just talk and ad lib all day. I don't have to ever stop,

except for Hirdline News. Hewitt Brock's really good. He's just teaching about football all the time. He's really good. That is the hardest job. It's a lot of pressure. Like Joe Buck, as great as he is, he can follow the action.

Troy Aikman's got to wait for Joy to briefly, Joe to briefly stop, and then Troy has to be brilliant in eight seconds, and then he has to stop talking because the play starting. The football analyst guy, And in football, every play matters. So you can't like just talk over plays. You have to stop talking for the other guy to go.

It's hard. That's why play-by-play color tandems are so important, too. You got to have great chemistry. Really great chemistry. All right. Joy Tandle with a news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. All right, Horace Grant is firing back at claims that Michael Jordan made about him in The Last Dance, M.J. named Horace as the main source for the book, the Jordan rules, which he has denied. And Horace even turned the tables on Jordan and called him the liar of the documentary. If MJ had a grudge with me, let's say it like, man, let's talk about it, or we can say it another way. But yet and still, he goes out and put this lie out that I was the source behind. The mere fact that Sam Smith was a investigator reporter. that he had to have two sources to write a book, I guess.

Why would MJ just point me out? It's only a grudge, man. I'm telling him, it was only a grudge. And I think he proved that during this so-called documentary when if you say something about him, he's going to cut you off. He's going to try to destroy your character. Look, we know that Jordan is petty and holds grudges, and holds grudges, okay?

Whether they're reasonable or not, it doesn't matter. Horace was a huge part of their wins and their success. And I'm sure that Jordan knows that. Listen, history has been written. So we can argue that he was or he wasn't. Like, he was there and they won with him. So he was a part of it. Huge part of it.

Okay, he was a significant part. Huge may not be the word that you like. He was a part of their success, right? I'm not taking anything away from what Horace did. This yellow outliner is a part of this show. You freak out if you don't have your highlighters. It's a kind of important part of the show. Okay, so everything matters.

But no one really cares other than Jordan and maybe some other guys on the team, who was the source for Sam Smith's book? No one cares. It was a great book. We're over it. We have the documentary. It doesn't matter what happens. That was 30 years ago. And people have been saying, pointing at horse for that long about it. It's not like Jordan was the only one who said this. And yes, horse is right. You do need multiple sources. But you have admitted to being close friends with Sam Smith. So what do close friends do? They talk. And as far as the word snitch goes, Jordan didn't snitch on the traveling cocaine circus. You only snitch if you were a part of it

and then you're trying to point it at somebody else. Jordan on camera, out of his face, said he wasn't a part of it. He doesn't have an obligation to protect them. Also, it was well documented. Jordan didn't even suggest it. He didn't say anything. It's not like he came out like, yeah, guys weren't doing cocaine with women in the rooms.

It was told to him it was called the traveling cocaine circus and he laughed. He had never even heard that before. Yeah, no, Jordan didn't bring the story up. Jordan acknowledged, yes, He confirmed it. That doesn't mean you're snitching. If me and you were running around stealing cars all around L.A.

And then the authorities come and find me and I say, yeah, I was Colin. That's a snitch. Right. But if you're stealing cars and I see you stealing cars and they come in to ask me and I confirm that you were stealing cars, it's not a snitch. It's a fact. You were stealing cars. I saw you stealing cars. No, I can choose to not tell them.

It doesn't make me a snitch. I still think what you just did, though, would get you whacked in the mob. Well, yeah, but I don't, you know. I'm going to avoid those situations. also. He doesn't have an obligation to protect that circus. It doesn't make him a snitch. But I knew that this would happen. Because people think that this story was really

about the Bulls because it's called The Last Dance. It's Jordan's documentary. It's not going to happen without him. Anyway, we'll talk more about the story on Joy Chat this afternoon on caffeine. Go download it, free app, and subscribe to the Fox Sports Channel. It's at 3.30. So Teddy Bridgewater signed a three-year, $63 million deal to be the Panthers starting quarterback. Very reasonable.

number and I hope he succeeds. No, he told Peter King how great it feels to finally have another starting job in the league. He said it's a blessing to be back in this position that I'm in, having someone believe in you, having an organization that believes in you and gives you the keys and said, here, this is your opportunity. That's all

I've asked for. How come he's never on this show? Nobody likes Teddy Bridgewater in America outside of his parents more than me. How come he's not on my show? What's he talking to Peter King for? I mean, he can do multiple interviews. I think.

We'd love to have you on the show. Who's Teddy Bridgewater's agent? I might as well be his PR firm for the last four years. I think I got in that contract. Swear to God, I should get a cut out of it. Let's not get crazy. But I do think that you and I are sort of in the same camp that maybe we are overvaluing the Panthers this year because we both like Teddy.

I like their offense. I think, I mean, Christian McAfee. Teddy Bridgewater, Matt Rule, Christian McCaffrey, Curtis Samuel, DJ Moore. who's the other guy they picked up in the draft? They picked up another wide receiver in the draft. But it's not necessarily just them. Their division is rough. I think they're going to score a bunch of points.

Now, they may win five games, but they won't be a boring five and eleven. No, no, no, no, no, not at all. And I'm very interested to see what they do this year. But I just, I think we may be overvaluing how their season is going to go because their division is a lot different as well. So the Bengals were not one of the teams that changed their uniforms this offseason. It felt like half the league did. But former Bengal, boomers.

Sison really wishes that they were. Going into next year, the Bengals are going to have to redo their uniforms. They are just horrific. You think horrific, huh? I don't like them, yeah. I think they're bland now. I guess I've gotten used to them. I think they've just got too much, too much stuff going on, too much orange, too much,

too many things happening on that uniform. They need to like, I want to say tone it down. It's hard to tone down tiger stripes, but you can. and I just think that the jerseys over the last couple of 15 years just have not been all that great looking. I totally agree. I don't like loud uniforms. Like I think they're just something about, like the new RAM uniform,

the colors are bright, but it's clean. Yes. It's a really clean. Nice clean lines. The Dallas Cowboys home white uniform. It's like Yankees. Pinstripes, great logo. Get out of the way.

It's tough, though, like he said, with the orange, it's tough. I think it's just because the helmets are so orange and then the jersey is so orange. Look at this. It looks like a hazmat spill. It's aggressive orange, too. It's not like dolphins orange or even Brown's orange because the brown kind of tones down the orange for the Cleveland Browns. So I do tend to agree. This is a lot going on.

But I don't know how you tone it down. Somebody had a popsicle and two shots of tequila got sick and that's the helmet. I mean, it's just too much. What would you do? You would just take the helmet. Just keep like stripes on the side of the jersey maybe. They're a cheap franchise. Go pay a New York or L.A. ad firm to build you a great uniform.

Honestly, a lot of the graphic designers on Twitter, like the fan designers do some great work. All the best uniforms to me are the simple ones. USC, Yankees, Lakers, Dodgers, like all the clean stuff. Let's your play do the talking. Yeah. That's just way too much. It's a lot. It is a lot.

All right. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. All right, we're going to play Dis or Dak. Dak wants a zillion dollars. And you give me the quarterback and I'll tell you today,

would I take Dak or Dis guy? It's called Dis or whatever you want to do. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the I-Hard Radio app. way, this is interesting. NASA scientists now detect an evidence of a parallel universe where time runs backwards. That's different. That's my lead tomorrow. Yeah, I know. I can't get my arms around it. Forget my brain. I just can't even get anything around it. I can't actually believe that there was a time where I thought I was going to be an astronaut. Really? Yeah,

that was not my calling. I like Tang. That's what they drank. Remember Tang? Yeah, it was a drink. That's what you think about when you see an astronaut. Yeah, they drank Tang. That was a big commercial when I was a kid. I like Tang. I once drank so much Tang, I got sick. I got threw up. That's how much I like Tang. All right.

Yeah, they like the Bengals uniforms. They were. All right, here we go, Joy. It's time for Dak Prescott wants to get paid like Russell Wilson or more. So let's lay it out there. Who would I take Dak over and not over? Diss or Dak. Diss or Doc?

All right. Would you rather have Russell Wilson or Dak? It's not. It's literally Russell Wilson leads the NFL. 100 touchdown passes in three years. Tom Brady second, 15 fewer, not close. Would you rather have Jared Goff or Dak? Jared Goff was a number one pick for a reason.

Jared Goff throws a beautiful football. Jared Goff is Matt Ryan with a better arm, Jared Goff easily. Jimmy Garoppolo or Dak? Closer, but Garoppolo, I think, throws a better football. I think Garoppolo, Bill Belichick, highest quarterback he ever drafted and was willing to bail on Brady for Garoppel. He wasn't willing to bail on Brady for Jared Stidham, and everybody tells me how great Jared Stidham is. All right. How about Derek Carr or Dak?

I think size, there is a kind of alpha to Dak, I like. It's close, but probably Dak. I think, I think Dak has a little, there's a little it factor with Dak, his leadership style, I like. Derek throws a nice ball, though. I'm not anti-Derick Carr. I think he throws a really nice ball. It's close. All right. Is this close? Would you rather have Patrick Mahomes or Dak? That's not. Patrick Mahomes throwing left-handed or Dak? That's not. Yeah, I mean, like, as I say that, everybody rolls their eyes.

Dak wants Russell Wilson money. Like Russell Wilson, Mahomes, you could make some statistical arguments. Russell Wilson is more profound. You can't even make an argument there. Would you rather have Matt Ryan or Doc? I'd rather have Matt Ryan. I think he's about the ninth or tenth best quarterback in the league. I think he throws a beautiful ball.

He's accurate, good pre-snap. It doesn't get hurt. I don't think he has a huge arm. but I think he throws a, he's a much more accurate thrower with the football than DAC, and I think that matters. Would you rather have Teddy Bridgewater or DAC? Based on Teddy's been hurt, DAC hasn't. Dak's a bigger, stronger athlete, so I probably slightly go Dak. How about Kirk Cousins or Dak?

Kirk Cousins. He throws a good football. He's not a real it guy in big games, but he throws a really good football. He's a very natural thrower. He just doesn't have a big arm. I think, again, it's quarterback. Who throws a better football? Kirk Cousins.

Would you rather have Matt Stafford or DAC? Oh, Matt Stafford's a better talent. Yeah, I don't think anybody doubts that. Now, Matt Stafford is underachieved, in my opinion. But in terms of a talent, he's a little too casual at times. Brock Howard, heward used that word. But Matt's a big time talent. How about Ryan Santa Hill or Dak?

Dak. Tannahill's a nice kid, but I've seen the act. Doesn't throw, you know, I've listened. In all those playoff wins, he was throwing for about like 80. yards. Come on. How about Lamar Jackson or Doc? Again, Lamar is exceptional at something. One of my things about DAC is, what's

he great at? Lamar is the best running quarterback ever and has become a very accurate thrower. All right. How about Baker Mayfield or DAC? Dak, because there's maturity issues over and over and over again with Baker and this is a franchise quarterback

position. And for the record, you think I'm taking a shot? I'm not. I'm just saying with Baker, I get this. I get all over the bat. Good game, bad game. Good half, bad half. With Dak, I kind of feel like I always kind of get something reasonably close. I get less up and down. How about Josh Allen or Dak? Oh, Josh Allen's a, first of all, Josh Allen's arm is a cannon. Josh Allen's bigger. He's more athletic with a much better arm. Now, Josh Allen, his judgment, he can make bad, bad throws. That's where I like DAC. But if you're stacking up talent, I think almost every GM would take Josh Allen. Sam Darnold or Dak? Sam Darnold.

He's a playmaker. He's a first round quarterback. He has had, Dax had a great O-line. Sam's had an atrocious O line. Dak has had a great running back. Sam has Lavian Bell who Adam Gase, I don't think loves. You know, Sam hasn't had any help so far.

If you gave Sam Dax people and Dax Sam people surrounding them, Sam Darnold today is probably a favor to win that division because Sam Darnold's playmaker. Carson Wentz or Dak? Not close. I think Carson Wentz has the second greatest arm in the league in terms of arm angles, strength, zip, touch. He's injured a lot.

He is, but he is. When he's healthy, he's great. I think Carson Wentz is second of Mahomes in terms of just raw arm talent. Would you rather have Andy Dalton or Dak? calling. It's not a slam dunk. It's not a slam dunk. Andy Dalton came into this league when he had Andrew Whitworth at left tackle.

And what was the other good offensive lineman Smith? I'm forgetting his name. When Andy Dalton, Andre Smith, when Andy Dalton had time to throw, Andy Dalton was good. He was getting to the playoffs. I'm not saying it's a Grand Canyon gap, but. Laurel Canyon. All right.

So you have, you take. Derek Carr, you would take DAC over Derek Carr, you would take DAC over Andy Doll and then you would take him over Baker and Ryan Tannhill. Yeah, and I think Kirk Cousins is going either way. I think Kurt said... And Bridgewater. Yeah, I mean, Teddy's been hurt.

Teddy's not a vertical thrower. I like Teddy. For the number 22 million, Teddy's great. I think there's limitations to what he can do, throwing the ball deep down the field. Yeah. Do you think I'm outrageous on this stuff? No, no.

I mean, like, I would go with DAC over Wentz because I like availability. Talent, obviously, is a different conversation, but if you can't actually be on the field. Goulet. Kirk Cousins, Dak. As long as it's not Monday night, I'll take care of. Okay, that's fair. All right. Folks, with everything going on, a lot of anxiety and nerves out there, relax.

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