The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Daniel Cormier DISAPPOINTED Alex Pereira vs. Jon Jones fight WON'T HAPPEN: "That's EASY MONEY!"

Episode Date: December 19, 2025

In the most recent episode of the Daniel Cormier Show, DC GOES IN ON why Jon Jones vs. Alex Pereira HAS TO HAPPEN at the White House in June. Cormier says after Pereira has officially said he's not fighting on the historic card, that it means Jon Jones FOR SURE won't fight again. DC says Jon Jones IS OUT on Tom Aspinall, and the fight to make for the White House has to be Alex vs. Jon at light heavyweight (205 pounds). And don't miss Cormier speak on his good friend and UFC legend Cain Velasquez potentially getting parole eligibility in February of 2026. #Volume All lines provided by Hard Rock BetSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So a lot has been happening in the world of mixed martial arts, but I truly believe that the most discouraging news would be, elect Pereira saying that he's not going to fight at the White House. It's discouraging because Pereira obviously is one of the biggest stars in the UFC, but also because when he fights in most cases, you know that there's going to be fireworks, most likely or possibly a finish. What's most discouraging, though, about the whole situation outside of the finishing facts, the star ability, all that, is that if he was to fight, the fight that he offered up for the White House. was a fight against John Jones. To which John Jones replied, I would love to do that. Please let me on the White House. I'm back in the testing pool.

I would want to fight Alex Pereira. So now you immediately have the American star in Jones versus the big star in Pereira. And I don't know many cases in which Pereira would be perceived as the bad guy, per se, if we're in a movie. but if you're fighting at the White House and you're fighting an American champion,

you would have to imagine that Pereira would be the villain in the story, or at least that's how he would need to be painted just for the Independence Day and close to the Fourth of July and everything, that the White House card will happen. Him saying that he's not on the card, I wonder if someone told him that that's not what they're doing. because I don't know why else he would make it public. John Jones feels that if Pereira's not fighting, he's not fighting. Because I think that they know that they both need each other

to place themselves on that White House card, which is going to be an amazing event. Here's where, here's where if Pereira's not on, if Jones is not on, How big is the UFC willing to make this card to assure that it's as big as anything we've ever seen inside the octagon? How many title fights are the UFC willing to put on to assure us that this will be the greatest fight card that we've ever seen? I remember UFC 300. You had the BMF title and then you had two title fights. You also had a card that was littered with champions.

Does the White House card warrant a fight card? of that nature where you get former champions as the first fight of the night on the prelims. We had Cody Garbrand taking on Davidson Figuredo. I believe that this car is going to be amazing. I think they're going to do everything they can to make it huge. I don't very often disagree with how things work at the UFC. I believe that doing Jones versus Pereira, that's low-hanging fruit. You already got two guys that say we want to do that.

Put them out there. It also saves you trying to find an American guy that can either headline or can be close enough to the main top of the card that it feels like the card is based around him. Because listen, man, they're going to try to make Conne McGregor fight Conna McGregor will try to get on the White House card that's just the truth

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I think Jones should fight Pereira at 205. That would be even better. I think Jones is a good. He's a good fighter. John Jones, the heavyweight isn't John Jones the light heavyweight. You guys know that I believe,

or I know for fact that John Jones has some issues in his life outside of the octagon. I believe that the weight management and cutting weight and training really hard makes him have to be more focused in his life than when he's fighting at heavyweight. There's just way more leniency. He's not a 265-pound guy, so he doesn't have to be as locked in. He was never as good as when he was fighting at 205. I know we haven't seen the fight a heavyweight much. but he was better at 205 because he had to be so disciplined to get to 205.

I think that is where him and Pereira should fight because I believe that if Pereira fights him at heavyweight, Pereira's a little too small. And at heavyweight, Johns Jones, it just isn't as good as he is at 205. Who want the best product, you put those guys at 205. With all that being said, though, Pereira said, I guess it ain't happening. Now, it could be because they want him to fight prior to the White House. The White House ain't until June, right? We have January, February, March, April, May.

We have five UFC numbered events before we get to the White House. So it may be a case of they need him to fight. Justin Gagey is a big-time American star that should be on the White House. I believe that if he wins his fight against Patty Pimbley, there's a strong chance that from January, they turn it around, he finds himself in that fight in June. That would be awesome. But we need American guys on that fight card if that's what we're doing. And Barrera, to say he's out, that essentially means that John Jones is out.

Because I just don't know that Jones still wants to fight Tom Aspinon. I still don't. I don't believe that that's what he wants to do. And then Tom Aspenol said that he's having surgery because Cyril Gond poked him in the eyes. I didn't imagine that it was that bad, but it is. A little bit ago, I texted the champ, Aspinall, and told him that the situation sucked, and, you know, we were kind of thinking about him. And he said, let me see when that one was this. Big Tom, where's Aspinall?

Okay. Let me see this. Oh He just told me He's still struggling with his eyes, man And thanks for the message Hope you're good Just asked the champ

How his eyes are he still struggling And now he's having surgery for him I mean that is That is bad That is really really bad I didn't leave that fight feeling Like it was as bad as it was Tom told us it was that badness

Obviously it is if he's going Into surgery for it I hope We figure out a way to Jones versus Pereira together. I think that'll be a massive fight. And I believe Conda McGregor will be on the White House card. Because if you

want the biggest card of all time, it has to include him. It's unbelievable how fast things are going. In mixed martial arts, it's unbelievable that 2025 is already over. It's unbelievable that every champion that was

at the beginning of the year, the belt is not in that person's hands anymore. In that weight class, obviously, Ilya and Islam went up. There have been so many things happened in 2025 that I can't believe how quickly stuff has gone from last year where we started the year thinking, this

is normal. These guys are going to have these belts forever to now. Everybody else has these championships. It's unreal how quickly things move in mixed martial arts. With that being said, it tells me that Pereira's off today. He might be on tomorrow. It happens that quick.

Hey, really quick before I go, quick update, King of Alaska's parole date was moved to February of next year. Guys, let's pray. Let's pray that the champ gets to come home and start his life anew after everything that he's been through these last few years with what happened with him and that situation. The jail time, the parole, probation, everything. Let's pray that the champ gets back because I'm telling you, in the time that he was home,

King Velazquez was not a danger to anyone. He was doing nothing more than coaching and trying to help. the next wave of fighters that will be coming out of the northern California. So hopefully he's doing good in there. And that news hopefully bolsters him as we get into the holiday season and he gets ready to come home, hopefully at the beginning of next year. So you guys pray for Kane. Keep that support strong and make sure we make sure or make sure we are hopeful

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