The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Daniel Cormier Show - Henry Cejudo on becoming UFC double champion, winning gold medal at Olympics

Episode Date: February 13, 2026

Daniel Cormier IS BACK with another episode of the Daniel Cormier Interview, and this time he sits down with one of the most decorated combat sports athletes of all time, Henry "Triple C" Cejudo! DC and Henry reminisce on their time together training and going to the Olympic games, and what it meant for Cejudo to win gold in Beijing. He won at age 21, which at the time made him the youngest American Olympic wrestling champion. Cormier and Cejudo talk about his "cringe" personality in the UFC and why that helped add to his ascension in the sport. And don't miss Henry reflect on his win over Demetrious Johnson, his business endeavors post fighting career, hard times growing up to become the fighter he did, and so much more! #Volume  All lines provided by Hard Rock BetSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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They think UFC titles. Honestly, they think Triple C, right? Because he's told us time and time again who Triple C is. But before all of that, right, there was a kid that grew up in chaos, right? His family fighting to survive. This kid learned discipline. He found pride, identity, all through wrestling, all while not knowing. that wrestling would change his life.

So the story of Henry Sehudo is not just about fighting. It's about his family. He sacrificed a lot. There was insecurity, confidence in what happens when a person believes in themselves and then goes out and they build himself piece by piece. Now, of course you're going to get to the legacy and we'll get to his fights, his Olympic gold medal, and everything else. But first I want you to learn who Henry is as a person,

not the persona and all the other stuff that we have seen from Henry Sehudo. I want you to know Henry, the guy that I met as a young boy in Colorado Springs, because I think once you get to know that guy, you can understand Henry Sehudo much better. Guys, welcome in the great Henry Sehudo. I won't be as annoying. My boy, Henry Sehudo.

No, thank you to see that. What a hell of an intro, dude. What a hell of an intro. You know what's funny, dude? it's uh fuck you're so good at this i think ever since we we uh ever since i met you you've always had this talent of being able to communicate and even and even uh kevin jackson i said man that dude that dude he got a mouthpiece on him yeah you got a mouthpiece on him and i turn it into a job yeah and you turn it into you turn it to millions can i say that can i say millions

i've been blessed yeah for sure man well thank you man thank you for having me on yeah Henry, when you strip everything away, right, the Olympic gold medal, the UFC titles, when people want to know who Henry Sehudo is, like, how would you describe Henry Sehudo? Ah, man, a little bit of cringe. I think a little bit of what people see, but someone that's very, very self-driven, someone that wants to manifest everything that he can think of and actually bring it to life. Yeah. You know, like I'll never forget it.

man we're like going out to the Olympic training center being out there with you because I was able to watch you in 2004 like train for the Olympics you know so I remember seeing you like go through the whole night so I was able to see the whole Olympic team or whatnot and and I knew that a lot of that stuff was was possible man only if I got those opportunities you know what I'm saying so I think for me is somebody that somebody that's somebody that's greedy driven ambitious you know what I mean super competitive that sometimes so competitive that sometimes I can suck the fun out of it. And sometimes having that pressure being backed up with fighting or competing has also it's also what kind of makes me a little bit. Did you learned did you learn to deal

with that competitive aspect? Because it can be overwhelming. I live with that same person inside of me that makes me compete and everything and you say cringe but most around me get annoyed, right? Because we could be walking to an elevator

and I'll try to get there first because I want to press the button. It's like this thing, I don't understand. Like, I don't know why it's like that. But ultimately, it allows you to become who you became and who I became. But when do you think you learned to deal with that part of who Henry Suhudo is? Yeah, no, I think a lot of you want to go back to being the youngest of my family. Like, you know, it's like one of seven raised by single mother. You know what I'm saying?

Like I was a kid that went, you know, at many, times went to bed starving you know what i'm saying growling stomach like the whole nine so i just feel like a lot of it was just maybe frustration you know what i'm saying like maybe a little bit of that maybe wanted to get out uh it's it's not a one it's not a one part answer it's so freaking complex that you know i think i think only those bad experiences would actually make you you know what i'm which are they really bad you know what i'm saying like it's a learning experience it really is but But on the flip side, I wouldn't want my kids to go through that. You know what I'm saying?

Well, that's why you build a life that you have so that they don't have to. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. And while you're going through those learning experiences as a kid, right, that kid becomes the man. What part of you, that child that went to bed still lives inside, like inside of you right now.

Can you still pull back on that person today and go, I remember those feelings as a young kid that I still feel today, Henry Zuro, the guy that's accomplished as much as you've accomplished. Man, I wish I could feel that a little bit more on a CDC. You know what I'm saying? That hunger. Yeah, that hunger. Well, you know, that fucking literally hunger. Yeah.

Like, you know what I'm saying? I wish I could pull back a little bit. So even towards the tell end of my career, like when you're full and you're satisfied, it does make it hard to be motivated. Like your goals start to change. You know what I'm saying? But if you bring them and put that fucking chip on that shoulder, Once again, it's like, dude, I'm back.

But unless you don't have that for a competitor like me, it makes it so, so freaking hard. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It makes it so, so freaking hard. Yeah. And it was a part of your life from the very beginning. Yeah, when you started doing wrestling,

you immediately kind of took to the sport. Before we get to wrestling, you talked about literally starving, right? Your father wasn't around. He had some real issues in his life. so your mom is responsible for seven kids normal my mom didn't believe in birth control too bro you believe that I don't think many people did back in the day

here it's kind of banging it out yeah I'm like mom I tell like what the fuck we're like I mean I thank God I'm alive but Jesus dude and it was hard though it was hard though but she kept fighting so my question to you is when you are living that life right

An absent father. I got to be honest, man, I grew up in a place where there were a lot of no dads. I was lucky because I had one, right? So I know how would work look like. I knew what strength looked like. I knew it like a father figure. It was my stepdad.

Yeah. Right? But he was there since I was a three-year-old boy. Yeah. He comforted me through my real dad dying. I always tell people strength, right? strength is my stepdad. That's why I loved him so much because

when I was a seven-year-old kid, my dad got murdered. My mom was losing her mind. That's his woman. I'm as a little boy in the bed crying and weeping. He's sitting on the bed rubbing me on the back making sure that I'm okay. That's strength.

How were you able to see that, right, when you didn't have that peace in your life? I know your mom was strong, but there are seven of you. Yeah. It's hard to really distribute all that energy to making you feel, you know. Well, I think the right answer is you don't know what you don't know. Yeah.

Like, you know what I'm saying? I just didn't know. But now that I'm older, bro, I can have compassion for a guy like my dad. You know what I'm saying? Like the dude. Really? Yeah. I really can, man.

Have you spoken to your father? No. And that's a, the last time I spoke to my dad, the last time I saw him was about maybe four, getting ready to turn five. And then the last time that I spoke to him, I think it was like in second or third grade. And then the last time that I heard of him, he died a year before the Olympics. Come on, Henry. Yeah, yeah.

A lot of people don't know that, that side of my story. And the ironic part about it is I was supposed to go out and actually see him because I started kind of having like, you know, sometimes you like the premonition is like, look, something's going to happen. Yeah. Like what the, like after the U.S. Open, I want to go out and actually see him. And my family convinced me not to This was like probably in You know right before the U.S. Open

So I was going to use my You know my earnings from the U.S. Open To go to Mexico City To actually go see them Yeah And fuck I get a we get a we get a call I'm like hey man Or an email I don't know what it was

And I said hey man your dad's Your dad's Heart failure Maybe an overdose Or whatever that may be Doing drugs for a long time It is doing drugs for a very very long time Like it was so bad

I do see that he like he would drink my mom's perfumes. Come on, dude. Yeah, like drink my mom's perfumes. I remember one time

we were kids and we didn't have much but when he was conscious like we had Christmas presents fucking took him sold them yeah new rug

in our apartment this is back in South Central L.A. took the new rug fucking sold it like the whole nine you know what I'm saying so it's the nitty-gritty

side of things but I also go back could I think of his life and what happened to him. Like he was homeless as a kid. Like he was roaming the streets as a nine, eight year old kid like just fucking trying to survive. What chance did he kind of have? Exactly, man.

Exactly, man. So I'm just like, yeah, I'm not one of those guys that's going to hate them or things like that. Like, but I feel for the dude. I think you develop empathy when you become a father also. Yeah. As you age, you go, man, I know how hard that must, that's, it was hard for me as a kid.

I would never do that to my kids. But I can try to look and see from their side because it really is. And I've had people very close to me deal with the same type of addiction. It really is a sickness. Once drugs and alcohol get a hold of you, it's a fight that most people can't win. And obviously you guys dealt with that at a very, very young age. Yeah, yeah. And luckily sports, bro, my mom was a very prideful later.

So my mom kind of played more of a father figure because she was so hard. heart on those that I almost feel like I missed the, like I missed the mom. You know what I'm saying? Like that, that. It was tough love. Like, you know what I'm saying? But it was like, fuck, dude. Like, I felt like a dad to dad. Yeah. I need a mom. I need a somebody that's like soft and like little. Yeah. Cause my mom was like, hey, get up. Like, you know what I'm saying? Hey, like she was like, I already knew as a little kid. Like, dude, this is, these are the realities of life. Like, you fuck up. Like, you're going to prison. You do this. That you're going to pay the consequence. So I never really got that like

fairy tale story the Disney stuff you know watching movies and things like that so I was able to grow up at a very young age like super quick yeah and we talked about it last time they're like I don't think that's you know I thank God for what's happened to me and what I've been able to accomplish but I don't want that for my kids yeah like you know what I'm saying like no be a be a kid man yeah like nobody's like to have a mom and a dad and three meals a day yeah and things like that like it's not Like it's just, you know what I'm saying? So this is a part of the reason why even like retires, like dude, I don't want them to go through those feelings of like fuck of being scared and having fear and that we're not going to be okay. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

It's like fucking like maybe that's some of the stuff that kind of could still kind of haunt me a little bit. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like you cannot teach your kid too much of life too fucking early like we did. Yeah. Because it's it's not right. Yeah. No, kids, kids aren't really equipped to deal with.

the realities at a young age. How early did you realize that money was like an issue? Because if I'm being honest, growing up in Louisiana, not many of us had much. So it didn't feel like we were worse off than anyone else. But I didn't grow up in the city like south central Los Angeles where it's like a major city. Where do you, when do you think you realize like, God dang man,

this is a this is not normal that I'm going to bed hungry yeah well it was in uh so we left house at charlie we had to leave our our dad because he started getting a little too crazy i remember he was saying it was like and my mom kind of kind of playing reverse psychology and she i remember one time he's like hey i'm gonna i'm gonna kill your fucking kids really and then my mom was like all right well let's do it you kill one and i'll kill another one come on henry yeah yeah how the fuck do you know but this is what i this is what i'm trying to tell you like this is how my mom as butt. She was like, this fucking dude is crazy. Like, we got to get the

fuck out of here. He went in jail. And we pretty much booked it. So we ended up going, Las Casillas in New Mexico in the border town. So to answer your question as a little kid, I knew that stuff was real because you know, all my family were, you know, they all came to this country

legally. And I remember, like, we lived in like literally a freaking crack house through in the middle of, in the border town of New Mexico and obviously Mexico. And I'll never forget it because at that time my uncles were uh uh during they're in high school and they would fucking i was a little kid playing outside dirt like you would think like this house is like legit abandoned really yeah like legit abandoned like oh throw a rock at it like break a window type of thing and i remember i would play out in the dirt

and all of a sudden i'll see my uncle fucking running and then i'll see a dude with the green jumpsuit like behind them and then uh and and then like you know obviously my siblings were like a little old older and we would cheer my uncle. I was like, Corolla, chucha, cora, like, run, chucho, run. Fucking immigration, dude. What? So I'm seeing this as a little kid.

Jesus Christ. You know what I'm saying? So boom, my uncle gets caught. And I'm just like, oh, shit. Like it was like, whoa. But I was like, you know, I was a little kid. Like, oh, okay, it's just, it's like to me, those were the bad guys.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, because your uncle was. Because my uncle was. Fuck, my uncle was my uncle. But then within a few days, I do it was back whole fucking cooking beans. Getting back. Yeah.

Yeah, we're talking about like in the early 90s. Yeah, so he'd just come back. Yeah, like it was back then. It was just like getting back. Yeah. And I said, so they knew like, what we lived, it was kind of, you know, it was rugged, but there was like, all right, dude, there's a lot of, there's a lot of people that are undocumented. Yeah.

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Oh, yeah. About where you were from and how you grew up, like when you were with your friends, when you started going into school and being around other kids, or were most of the kids in the same situation? I always felt like there's, like, you know, you're, I felt like I was just maybe, man, there's always, we had it. had it pretty bad like it was to the point where i'll never forget it bro i was in uh fourth grade because mama we you know i ain't have toys i ain't have any nor did i even want that i just dude i

love playing breaking stuff you know dennis de menace type things and i remember one time bro like there was a kid that came up to me he's like hey henry this is fourth grade dude kids are nasty bro don't break my heart bro please don't break my heart no check down because this is like a real this is like a real this is like a real story that dude's like hey he was like Hey, Sylvester, hey, this is Sylvester's lock for his bike. One, five, seven, seven, seven. He's like, hey, because he's not going to school today. He asked me to take it, take his fucking bike.

He told you to steal it. Yeah, he told me to steal it. So then, like, he told me in the beginning of the school. So then all day was like, dude, I don't have a bike. And I was just like, bro, I can't wait to steal this dude's bike. And I knew him. That's how bad it was You know what?

You were like homies or things like that Oh my God I end up stealing this bike With like with my friend But I was always the main character You set you up I freaking took it I freaking took it

Next you know I'm bro Like you know I'm fucking hiding bro Like from the house Because I'm just like whoa What the hell did I just do It's like a I just hijacked this thing Yeah took it to my house

We had no furniture Put it in like in the closet And all of a sudden Like everybody started to find out Hey Henry took the bike I was just like started getting scared. And then the fucking next day, the cop shows up.

Oh, my God. They end up grabbing the bike. My same uncle was freaking illegal staying at the house. Oh, my God. Yeah, mom was like tripping out, dude. You know what I'm saying? And then, but my mom felt for me that she didn't even hit me. Really?

Yeah. Because she couldn't give you anything. Within two months, she was like, fuck, man. Within two months, we got her income tax and she bought me a bike. Come on. Yeah. And I was just like, damn, like, mom, you didn't, he didn't hit me. It's almost like, dude, like, she almost rewarded me.

She almost like, no, she's like, she almost like, fuck, dude. Like, you know, you wanted that bike that bad that, uh, after stealing it, she ended up buying me one. That's crazy. And I was just like, I'll never forget it because we wouldn't, we want to actually on the city bus to actually go get it. So it meant a lot to me. You know what I'm saying? Like literally the jist, hey, which one do you want? You know, I was like, whoa, that one, but that's too much.

Okay, so what's the budget? Okay, I'll take that one. You know, and to me it meant the world to me. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But to that extent to where your own parent could have compassion for you because knowing that, you know, everybody else is in their bike, you know, roaming, and I'm fucking over here just, you know.

Playing in the dirt. Yeah, just running, running, playing with everybody, but running rather than actually in bikes. It sounds like your mom was the main character in your story. So what did she represent for you? Like, it sounds. like at times she could give you pressure, right? Pressure of get up, this is life.

She was safety, right? Because in that moment she provided a safety and a comfort for you to, you know, get your bike. And almost like a hope, right, that you could be something greater. So when you think back on all that your mother did, what did she represent to you in your upbringing? honestly just the attitude of no excuse you know what I'm saying the attitude of no excuse

get up you know what I'm saying like do it you know you could be the you could be the greatest thing on earth or you can be the biggest slum and it's your decision yeah you know what I'm saying like like that's what it is I'm I could fucking lie to you and tell you oh it was love it was kindness no no it was like hey you you make your bad man how are you how do you want to live your life Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like it was kind of little iron fist. Tough love.

No, yeah, but iron fist. Like, hey, bro, like, you do this. This is what's going to happen. This is what's going to happen. So. And then also, too, I think living in these, I think living in those circumstances too, like, you know, you start to, you start to understand that you don't want that shit to be forever. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Like, no, I got to, I got to get out. I got to find something. I got to fight. something to and then and then obviously fuck everything changed when I watched the Olympics wrestling which with that the ironic no not even bro 96 watching boxing no Michael Johnson tracking yeah when I saw him when that that Olympic gold medal with his infamous gold shoes I was I was nine years old dude and that should change my life forever man there was an inspiration that came within me

when I saw this dude win I was just like It wasn't even about the gold medal. I was like, what the fuck? I want to know what that dude is. I want to know what that feels like to be the best in the world. Had you wrestled yet? No. No, I had no idea.

I had no idea that wrestling even existed. Really? Do you remember when you first found wrestling and how you found it? Oh, yeah. Once I saw wrestling did, I was like, it was in junior high. My brother, Angel, started wrestling first. And then I'll never forget because he came over to the house. He's like, hey, Henry, you know, they,

there's fucking wrestling at school, bro. I'm thinking WWF, dude. Like, you know, the rope's like, what? He's like, yo, like, this is crazy, dude. I'm like, really? I can hear his voice, too. And I was like, huh? Because, you know, you grow up in the hood

and the freaking barrows. You only know what you know. You know Rick Flair and Hulk Hogan. Exactly, dude. So I'm just like, what the? Like, really? So I was already kind of curious about it. He's like, no, man.

Like, this is like, and he was doing his best to actually explain it. I'm just like, I was. I was so kind of mind boggled until I went to one of his wrestling meets and that day I was just like wow my fucking heart was pumping dude I was like whoa these dudes are my size like they're competing of the principles coming up giving the medals like awarding these dudes like I was so because of me just fighting fighting for ice creams in front of drunk

Mexicans that I was just in awe dude so the dream the dream kind of came alive when I first saw it and I knew that that's what I wanted to do even before I laced a pair of wrestling shoes. Really? Because I love that one-on-one contact. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like I saw that and I was just like man this is it. This is it. Do you

and you took to it like a fish to water? Like you were good at wrestling right away? Right away, dude. Right away. You're one of those kids that walked into it. Because I know obviously we coach kids. You don't do it to the level that I do, but in terms of the time spent. If you wanted to you could have the greatest club in the country. know that, but which Angel does.

But some kids just have it. When did you realize that, man, this may not be just my hobby. I may change my life. Because I got to tell you, Henry, when I was a sophomore in high school, growing up in the hood, bad student is kind of just like the norm. You're a bad student. You don't do what you're supposed to do. You're watching all these movies where the cool kids were kind of

bullies and assholes and you don't do your schoolwork. And in my sophomore year, I won the state tournament. And I was like, holy cow, maybe I can get a scholarship for this. And then I went to the world championships and I got third. And I was like, oh, my God, wrestling is going to change my life. This is not going to just be what I do when I'm not playing football. This is what's going to, like, determine my future. When did you realize that wrestling was going to be what you did and who you would become?

Oh man Honest Dude it was It was getting the tape of Zieg Jones And my coach was very hard-nosed Very very hard-nosed dude And I remember he gave the tape Actually to my brother

Because my brother was already My first year, wrestling And I only lost like maybe three matches I was like 30 and three I never won a match my first time wrestling I could beat every single week Yeah But he gave me this tape of Zieg Jones

winning a world title against Valentin Giordana. Oh yeah, that was a great match, too. And 91. And bro, I would fucking watch that shit every day. Every day. Like how he beat him.

You know, 91 in Bulgaria against, you know, a 9-time world champ, Olympic champ. And to me, that was just like, I was just mesmerized by that. I was like, whoa. I'm like, dude, that is...

So, but it was an instruction. It was show you the match in the beginning. and then it will show you the technique. So it was about, maybe about an hour and a half long, maybe two hours and every day, boom, put the tape in, I would watch it. I was just like, you know, just watch it, dude,

every single day, dude. So I was able to really develop a lot of skill through that, you know, which was, you know, now I'm friends with Zieg, which is, and I tell them all the time, I was like, man, you know, we got into it one time, you know, a long time ago. But I'm like, bro, I owe you big time, man. Like, you're a big, you're a big part of why I became what I'd

came. Yeah. It sounds like your life was pretty chaotic, right, growing up. And then you get into wrestling and it's about as chaotic as a sport can be, right? Because the person is trying to turn you over and pin you. He's wrenching on you. He's trying to hurt you in most instances, especially as a kid. But for you it was a bit of a safe space. How did it become, how did you learn to operate in that, right, wrestling and all that chaos in front of all those people you had from the little, boy that was running around, playing in the dirt, in these full gyms, wrestling and winning. Like, how did you find safety in that sport? I think winning.

Winning. Yeah, I just desire, because I didn't have anything. So I think the feeling of winning was precious. And obviously, I was such a sore loser, like, I was a motherfucker. You start crying. You want them kids that run off the mat crying, they have to grab me. Like, Henry, stop. Yeah.

Punch. Like, I would do whatever. like a fight. Oh my God. I just, you know, just just a kid that, you know, like the frustration, like how can you beat me?

Well, it was probably also because like for the first time, right, in life, on the wrestling mat, you didn't have to be the kid that stole shit. You didn't have to go to bed hungry. You knew in wrestling that if I did what I'm supposed to do, I'm supposed to be the best.

And there's like a, there's something to that, right? Like, I'm the best. Here's the problem, though. when you're the best so early, right? You don't deal with the growing pains. So when it does show itself, you act out. I see it in a lot of kids. So my question to you is,

wrestling becomes our identity at some point. Did it happen for you way too early? Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I think so. Like, it happened super, super early. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

But there's always like, but at the same time I never really felt accomplished and this is a fact because I dream about the Olympics just about every day like every day as an 11 year old kid

when I first started wrestling I was like man I want what is Zeke Jones what do he feel like what was Michael Johnson feeling like like the dream was always that it wasn't the stage or the nationals or all that like it was it was always so freaking

profound dude yeah Henry Which was crazy, man. I don't know if people can't fucking bother that. No, bro, let me tell you this. I swear to God, I had this conversation the other day. When I was watching the Olympics in 96, same one as you. I saw Kurt Angle win his Olympic gold medal with a broken neck.

They made a big deal about the story. And I said to my friends, I go, I want to be a world champion. I said, I'm going to win the Olympics. And everybody goes, this dude is crazy. Because guess what? There are 8 billion people in the world. How many people can set a goal that big and go, I want to be the best in the world at something.

just anything. Imagine. To say I want to be the best in the world at anything is crazy because most people think that if you're just okay, you're okay. But I believe only the crazy ones can do what we did because you have to say it and believe it, especially as an 11-year-old kid. So to me, it doesn't sound crazy. But to the general public, everybody's like, well, Henry's a crazy-ass kid. So yes, it becomes your identity.

But for me, it didn't happen until I was a teenager. at 11 years old, that's crazy, that you could see that at such a young age. Yeah, and it's crazy. And I tell people all the time, like, those who want to succeed and it's hard for me to tell a kid at that age, like, have fun. Like, if it's in them, I could,

the only thing that I could do is like, hey, man, you're gonna go through a lot of shit, man. Like, I almost have, like, real talks with an 11 year old kid. You're acting like your mama? Yeah, I'm just like, hey, you're, you're gonna, you're gonna, you're, you're gonna, didn't have to understand this is the fucking process. You can tell, bro.

And you, and you, you have to be willing to know what it's like to feel pain. Yeah. Pain of losing. You know what I'm saying? And obviously the, you know, the thorough victory, but, like, if you can really take the pain of fucking losing, but see the big picture, you're special. You know, there's going to be, I always tell, I'm like, yo, there's going to be pain either way. There's going to be pain in the training room.

There's going to be pain when you lose matches. But the greatest pain in the world is regret. The pain of regretting something, there's nothing like it. So you might as well put yourself in a position to try and experience that thrill of being the best. Because if you don't go through all those emotions, you don't become Henry Suhudo that so many people know. Henry, but you go from sleeping in a car, sleeping in a car, sleeping in. in a house that doesn't have beds and rooms and you get called up to the Olympic Training Center

as a teenage kid. What was that like? Like leaving so young away from your family to go chase a dream. Now that I'm talking to you, a part of your story I didn't know, it was a dream that you had been dreaming about for six years already. By the time you're 17. But what did that look like? What did that feel like as a young boy leaving home? No, dude, it was easy, Daniel.

It wasn't scary? It wasn't scary, man. It was a privilege. And the ironic part about us, you were able to, you know, to kind of witness a little bit off. You're getting ready for the Olympics. It was in 2004s when you're, you know, you're trying to make a run and actually become a gold medalist. And shit, I watched you. I watched Jamil Kelly, Stephen Abbott. Like, I was in the room. Yeah. So I was actually invited to be a training partner for Patricia Miranda. Yep. Because I was the only guy that could really compete with her. That was small. And I, I resents.

a lot of what the Japanese brought to the table, low singles. So then Townsend Sonders, who was an Olympic silver medalist, you know, he worked with us in Arizona for a little bit. And apparently he would, Trish, Trish Sondon was working with Patricia Miranda. And she said, hey, I have the perfect, I have the perfect kid for you. So she ended up coming down to work with me. You know, and obviously, you know, I did my thing. And they're like, we need you.

So they said, hey, we'll, uh, we'll, bring you out periodically like like like you know will bring you you know to the limper train center called all the springs and you go home spend time with your family i'm like dude i don't just fucking keep me there really there yeah so i told them they took me up on it but because i was training with the women's greco and then freestyle and i did that for like a whole month and they're like man this kid really has desire and passion to become the best in the world like legit but they're like dude, like, Henry, get out of the restroom. Like, go, like, get out of here.

Like, go rest, go do something. And I'm just like, no, no, no, I'm, this is home to me. Yeah. Food, bad. It felt weird, dude. It felt weird for the first time having all that stuff. Yeah, having my own bad, like, zinc. But can I ask you this?

Were you ever guilty? Like, because your family, did you leave them in the same situation? Your mother and everyone else? I had their situation gotten better. to where when you left, they were in a better place, or was it kind of the same? No, I think, I think, like, I go back into, you know, to say you don't know what you don't know.

Like, it's just, I'm selfish, man. What is the only way to be the best? Yeah, it's, it was me. It was all or nothing. So when I got invited to, so when I got invited for that whole month, I ended up, I ended up from Colorado Springs, I ended up going to Fargo, North Dakota, which is the toughest tournament in,

and freestyle. I ended up winning both styles. And then Sergey Bilaglava kind of discovered me a little bit. He was like, man, this kid is special. And it meant so much to me to hear from Sergey Bilaglaza, who was a two-time Olympic champ, six-time world champ. Yeah, he was the best. To say, this kid's going to be Olympic champion.

This kid's an Olympic champion. I was like, fuck, that meant the world to me to hear for somebody that's already done it. Because I would always ask him, like, Sergey, what does it feel like to be the best? in the world like what does it feel like and i would always ask him like almost up just about every day you know he would have given me like yeah yeah you know yeah he kind of was like yeah it just it's good like yeah and then move on yeah come on dude give me a little more than that yeah give me a little more than that yeah but i'll never forget it because i rustled him for the first time and this is when i first landed at the train center and uh i think he took a liking to me because he saw me he beat me up a little

bit and I didn't know who the hell he was. I did not know who the hell he was and he was being a dick too man. Yeah, because he saw my frustration. Remember like he bumped me? Like, you know what I mean? Like, he took me down and then I was like, he can see that I was trying to like cry, bro. Like I was so frustrated. You know, I was like, dude, this dude's like he's old next level, his next level. Yeah, and I'm just like boom. And I think I might have got to take that or something. And then, and then after like he saw me in the corner. You saw I'm in the corner of what now? Like I told you like he kind of came up to me like he kind of like hit me like you know what I'm saying like he's kind of

teaching me something and then I'll never forget it because someone who came out to is like hey do you have any idea who you just wrestled? And I'm like crying bro I'm like I'm like pissed dude like my first week there and I'm getting beat up by an old man in front of freaking a bunch of people. He's like that's Sergey Bella Glaza. I'm a two-time Olympic champ fucking world champ. I'm like what?

Like my friend just went foo. I was like whoa. I'm surrounded by greatness. Yeah I'm just like man this is This is the, I just had, I had no idea. And I'm just like, man, like, it meant, like, I was able to go from crying to, like, to say, man, fucking thank you. Yeah. Like, thank you for giving me that time.

Thank you for being a dick. That's, that's, that's what the train center is, man. When you're in there, you're just like with everybody day by day. You know, a lot of these young athletes that are so special, right, because we are all special in our own way, but not like you. Because we don't get plucked out of our communities. and stuck into that situation. Do you ever think back to your childhood and go, man, I missed a lot?

Do you ever think, like, I missed a part of growing up? Because I always, you had to have, like, proms and dating as a kid, and you gave all that away. Yeah. Sure, maybe, but I don't, I was so in love with the dream that I just, that stuff did just never. existed. But but but but but but then what about this though? You're in high school with those with such an elite mindset were you able to even communicate with the kids around you like was it hard to

to to to talk to him and make friends and was it hard because you were thinking on such a different level yeah yeah it was uh I mean I think that's one of the things that I'm maybe I could have a little bit more fun like if you know what I'm saying but yeah and natural I've always kind have been naturally since the beginning I've always been cocky there's always been a little cockiness to me you know what I'm saying prior to even wrestling prior to even

winning there was just a belief but it was it was a belief but almost to a more of extent like I'm going to show you then I'm going to fucking taunt you and troll you while I do it type of mentality you know what I'm saying so I've kind of always been

like that but obviously the fucking wrestling did humble me so that even part of my retirement, I was so far into wrestling that the year of 2007, you were there. World Championships, trained my ass off to, did the whole thing, didn't score a point at the World Championships.

Fucking didn't, just didn't do anything. Got tacked by the Iranian first match, and I feel like that's the time where like my, like the love of the, like the pain. We're talking about pain. Yeah, pain. The pain started to really just take a toll on me. Nothing physical, but just the pain

of hurt. But still then, I still kept my eye on the press. Like, I still had that dream while feeling the hurt. Like, I still believed in the dream. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, but, man, I was struggling to really still try to keep that dream and kind of still fucking feed it and elevate it and give it shine and feed it water.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. While still feeling that pain. So I started kind of struggling there. And I think that was a year that I was like, man, I'm getting sick of this shit. You started to burn out a little bit. As you would expect.

Yeah. But yeah, I think maybe it would burn off, maybe just more just getting sick of it. Like I just didn't want to feel the pain of losing. So a lot of people asked me like, dude, what was the secret to becoming Olympic champion? I was like, bro, yeah, of course it was desire. Of course it was a dream, childhood dream. But it was probably more of not feeling the pain of losing that won me the Olympic Games. I did not want to feel that shit anymore.

You know what I'm saying? Like I had even even in Beijing bro, I had thought about fucking jumping on a plane and just leaving. Like, you know what I'm saying? I was like, dude, I've worked my whole life. In these next two weeks, like shit's about to go down. And what if I don't win? Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

That's what I was going to say, man. Did you feel like you had to win? A lot of people made a lot of sacrifices for you to be who you are. And there's a lot of pressure that comes with not doing it. But when you tell me, I thought about maybe just flying off. Like, was that a fear of failure? for yourself, but also coach Brands,

coach Jackson, coach everyone that did it, or was it more just internally? Like, I've got to get this done for myself. Yeah. Yeah, no, it was that. It was like, I'm so, I've given so much, you know, I've given so much

that now it's like, like, like, kill me, like, in order for you to, like, to beat me, like, you're going to have to kill me, man. Yeah. Like, if I lose, like, I, like, I I'm going out. I'm going out swinging. Like that type of, like, never have I felt that before.

Like, I was so committed. And to even know that I was done wrestling after this tournament. Like, I knew that I did not want to do this shit no more. So it's the same reason why I gave them my all. It's the same reason I was fucking, you know, 12 hours later, bro, was fucking seeing the American flag quiver up. And then fucking hear the national after, I'm like, what the fuck? So even when I did win it, it was special to me.

because even when I grabbed that flag, I thought about it so much when I was a little kid that I thought about my whole childhood and everything that kind of happened. But it was like a relief. I fucking knew it. Like I knew it.

If I just dedicated, still kept that dream alive that if I put every ounce that I had that it would happen to it. So a lot of it was fucking sadness too. It was like a sadness victory to say, hey man, I don't want to do this no more, but here you go. Like you gave me everything.

But that comes from the pressure. Because again, Henry, everybody expected you to do well from a little boy. When you win Fargo as many times as you have, and maybe you didn't recognize the pressure, maybe you didn't recognize all that expectation. And when you did it, it's like a relief off of you. But when you win that gold medal that you've dreamt about for so long, did it feel finished?

Did the story feel finished? Did anything feel like left in wrestling? are you like, man, I am complete. No, yeah, I am complete. Like, my goal was never to be a Jordan Burroughs, which, ooh, fuck, man. I admire dudes that could just complete. Russell win world titles, Olympic games. Like, bro, I admire those dudes more than anybody.

Swear to God. I just wanted to become a world champion. When I felt that dose of becoming the best in the world, bro, it's just priceless, man. It's like, it's like, bro, like what I thought Michael Johnson felt, It was fucking a hundred times that. It was like, bah! Yeah.

You know, I was like, whoa. It's like, you reach every emotion. It's unexplainable. It's just a fucking, it's like if you hit up the best drug ever and you're just happy, sad, all these emotions run through your body. And it gives you a movie of your whole experience. We're just like, man, this is what death and life feels like. Ooh. I'm saying it's hard, too, because I tried.

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Listen to Reality with the King on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. We talked about your family, your mom. Obviously, your brother Angel plays a big part in your life. You know, you guys have done so many things together. But you guys have dealt with highs and lows in your family. Like how have you dealt with all the ups and the downs? Obviously, you guys had a terrible tragedy in your life very recently.

How have you dealt with all those ups and those ups and your lives? and downs in the family, especially after becoming who you are, the Olympic champ, the world champion, you know, losing a sibling is as hard as anything you do. How have you dealt with all of that? Oh, man, I, man, it's, fuck, that's a good one, DC. I don't even know, I'm kind of, I'm kind of, yeah, that one's hard, man. It's, you know, something's just, you know, something's just hurt.

Yeah. And, but it's, it's also, it's also like beautiful, too, man, to feel those emotions, you know? Like, uh, my sister, man, who passed away, you know, 20, 23 about, it's going on three years, man. It's, uh, it was, it's, I think that's the hardest thing that's happened to the family, man. You know, because she played a big role as a mother, man. Like, because my mom, you know, God bless her, man. She did her best that she could do. But, uh, it was, it's, uh, it's, I think that's the hardest thing that's happened to the family, but. my sister played like a big role in like being that mother figure you know what I'm saying yeah and to see her like go at the age of 40 like five-day shy of her 41st birthday it's just it just hits man it just it hits really hard but I think life has also prepared us for that the those circumstances of having freaking you know what is a CPI CPA what's the Yeah, child protective service. Yeah, from leaving from us, leaving from place to place and things like that. It's just being raised so young at a very young age.

It's just somewhat engraved in you. And I think it teaches you, man, that we're just, you know, we're all journey, man, to this life. We're all going to die, man. You know what I'm saying? And man, even my sister, man, she's super, super gangster. She was like, no, man, like, I'm ready to go, man. Really? So we're able to all be there.

I was just like, fuck. She's like, yeah, you don't want to go through the whole thing. Like, no, I don't want you guys to see me like this. And she fought, man. She fought to the very, very damning. And that's something that I could just admire you from somebody. But I don't know if you've gone through this DC, but I always even tell us like, sister, like, that's it, man.

Like, we're all going to go one day. Like, well, I'll see you later. Type of thing. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It was just like, God, Lee, you don't know how strong your family is or how strong you are until. some shit like that happens and you're just able to face it and accept it.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's the hardest part. Yeah. Once you accept it though, then you realize like when my mother passed, I was so against that I did everything, right? When you start to get stuff, money, right? You start, you want to keep them here.

So you start spending and spending and spending. And you're trying everything in your power to do everything you can to keep them here. And then when they go, it's almost like you realize like you might have been a little selfish. Because my mom was suffering. Yeah. Right? Yeah. But because we didn't want to hurt.

We were trying to keep her here. And she was hurting because my dad passed. Once my dad passed, my mom was like, she was on just a walk to the finish line. Yeah. She didn't want to be here anymore. Yeah. But we just kept giving her that we needed her. and it was like once I can accept that she was probably resting in a better place now I'm like

I'm happy because she wasn't the person at the end that I knew the strength that I I found from her yeah right and so I think when we accept that you're right we're all going to go and just be happy with the time that we have with them it's it's amazing and I'm glad that you guys got the time with your family and and witch's sister and she was able to impart a lot of wisdom and knowledge on you guys. You know, you've lived a life in the public eye. When it's all said and done,

what do you want people to, like, not remember you for? Like, what do you want them to understand about Henry Sohudo? Because understanding Henry Sehudo is much different. I think once people watch this, they have a better idea. What do you want them to understand? understand about the hit Rissout.

I think maybe y'all get more fans, D.C. Somebody that had a dream that just went for it. That was willing to sacrifice, man. That was willing to really go out to put the ego aside. A humbleness. Even though I portrayed the triple C, the cranes, the persona. No, somebody that was an honesty, a humbleness to him that said, hey man, let's go out and actually go for it.

Like this fucking, let's jump off this plane and let's skydive. You know what I'm saying? I think that's the biggest thing. And I think that's the only thing that I could honestly tell people. And even, and even, you know, with my career, I want to give back to you see, I enjoy giving back. And I think that's the purpose in life too, man. How can we serve? Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? And it's a fulfillment too. And it's not a fucking Miss Universe type shit. Like, no, it's real. You know what I'm saying? So I'm, I feel blessed, Daniel, with my career. with everything that I've done in combat sports. There's such a satisfaction.

But I think now it's that it's that next, it's that it's bringing up that next generation. There's a little boy right now, a little Mexican boy watching. That's going to watch. And he's going to say, man, Peter Zoodo can do it. Hell, he might be in South Central LA.

He might be in Gilroy, right? We've got a lot of Mexican kids. What do you tell that kid, right? That's dealing with the bad dad, with the CPS, With all those things, Henry Sehudo, the Olympic champion, the two-time UFC champion, what do you tell that boy about the struggle? Because, man, there's some dark nights for a lot of those kids, some hard nights for those kids.

Yeah, man, it's part of life, you know? You don't know what you don't know. And, you know, your best friend is actually adversity. That's what makes you. You know, when you have a better opportunity to really make a difference, then you can do that for your kids like I'm doing now. like you're doing with your kids. Yeah.

But adversity's your friend. Adversities your homie, s. I want to get, I won it really fast before I let you go. MMA gave you something completely different to chase. Was there a void once you thought, I'm so done with the wrestling, but when there was not competition, was that void hard to feel? That's why you started fighting in MMA? Because I never quite understood while you, Henry Sehudo, didn't say,

you know what, I'm just going to go do something in wrestling and make a boatload of money doing that? You chose fighting, though. Was it because there was just a void in that part of your life that needs that competition? No, no, no. I was a fan of the sport. Like, it wasn't a money graph,

even though at the end it kind of was. Yeah. It was more of me being a fan of the game. And I'm just like, whoa, like this is, now you could actually, you know, it was more of that. You know what I'm saying? So it was, man, this is back in the early 2000.

I remember as a family in the 2000, 2001, we would rent these videos of, these VHSs of UFC 1, 2, 3, and I would see Mark Kerr, Mark Coleman, Dan Henderson, Randy Couture, Chuck LaDelle, like all these wrestlers going in there just fucking dominate. Since the beginning, since the beginning of the game. I'm like, man, I want to be a part of that, that, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. So it was always admitted to do that, even though at one point I was sick of competing already. like I wanted to do something obviously with his mind

rather than always the physicality of it. I never thought, Daniel, that I would be competing for this long. Dude, I'm about to 1039, dude. You know, in a couple months. I'm sorry, next month in a couple weeks, February 9th. But you've been, and not even just competing, competing at a high level.

At the highest level. So I don't think people will really ever fathom, you know, of me, like, leaving, like, even in my prime when I was 33 years old, I was just, it's the satisfaction leaving on top. I tell people, I never fought in my athletic prime. The first time I fought John Jones, I was 36. I know, I agree. I was 38.

I tell people of that shit all the time. When we fought the second time, I was 38 years old. You know, motor changes, bro. I had wrestled in my first world championships at 16. So I was till 41, 25 years of competing at the highest level So I get what you're feeling But

MMA, you accomplished some great things So I asked the question The Olympic gold medal moment The double champion moment Which one to you Sits above Oh man, the Olympics man Yeah

Because it's just it's such a childhood dream Like you know what in the UFC title And you know this bro Like there's people that have talent Like what the fuck Like, really? Yeah. That could be come on.

UFC, chap. But there's just something special about the Olympics. It's the oldest sport in the world. It's, you know, wrestling marathon is considered the oldest sport in the world. There's just something that's just different about it, that it's been around for so long that you get the purity of the purity in that sport where you got to be good everywhere. Yeah.

You know what I'm just? It's not just the fucking infamous right hand or, you know, top control. Yeah. Like, bro, you got to have it all. to be the, you know, to be the big, the big cahuna. Yeah. You know, and I think that's what, and the reality is, like, when a UFC title is like a goal,

winning the Olympics is a fucking dream. Yeah. Like, bro, like, you're just, like, I would, you would, I would wake up after I won the Olympics just out of pure excitement. I couldn't sleep, bro, because I was just like, I'm an Olympic champion. Yeah.

I never really fought that with the U.S. Yeah, that's crazy. You know what I'm saying? Henry, now you're a dad, you're a husband, you're a businessman, real estate you're in. I see your water company here right now. What's it called? It's called One Water.

This thing is going to, you guys are going to remember this right here. This is innovation technology of the year. You know, we're launching here. You know, it's already in close to about a thousand stores here in America. And the unique side of this, it's, you know. Magnetic? No, no, no, no. You would think it is.

No, check it out. it's just the plastic of it. You know, it's the way that it's actually preformed and it's able to stick. They fit into each of it. Yeah, they do. This is pretty good, Henry. Yeah, so these are some of the projects, man,

that I'm involved. You know, I own 15 homes. I'm about, you know, by the end of this year, I'm probably going to have close to about 70. I don't think people know. Like, I think people see the cringe, but if you really start to dissect and see the, you know, the ambition side of business that I have,

I'm doing very, very well. How do you, how did you apply this? that all the lessons from the mat into business? Well, it's just, it goes back to that little kid that I don't, I don't, maybe I don't want to go back to that little kid again. You don't. I don't. I'm telling you.

Because it is real. Yeah. Because it is real. And you could go back if you do stupid shit. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So maybe speaking about it now, yeah, maybe there is a little bit of haunting of going back to that growling stomach, which is crazy.

Yeah. and your kids? Oh, my kids are good, dude. They have no idea, man. Boy? Is he going to wrestle? I hope so. I hope so, but I cannot push it.

Yeah. Pablo, we were talking about him earlier. He's good, man. We kept them as a little kid. We kept them as a kid. We kept them as a kid. He could watch. When did he start wrestling?

Like, 12, dude. See, so the thing is, like, when he went to Fargo the first time and got beat, that was expected. Because guess what? He hadn't experienced it yet. But because he's got a life in there.

And it's, my son now is not having the success that he wants. And I told him, maybe your success comes later. I'm his dad more than his wrestling coach. And I worry that sometimes

that might, I may be too soft on him. But I trust that I've given him enough skill that it'll come together for him as long as he keeps working hard. Yeah. Yeah. And it'll eventually hit, man.

Like the skills and all that will eventually come in if he's, You know, if he's, you know, obviously he's around, he's around, I mean, you got one of the top schools in the country as well. Yeah. But yeah, I can only say, hey, man, that's a, that's a one-man journey. Only he knows. Only he knows.

And I think the biggest thing is when he makes that decision. You got to be that for him. Well, yeah, when he makes that decision, you just got to support him because I told that to Pablo. Dude, I'm kind of, I was kind of like a little dick to my nephew a little bit. I'm like, what? Who the fuck? Like, you know what I'm saying? I had a kind of combo.

Like, me and my brother almost started fighting a couple of times. Why? Because I was just kind of hard. I'm like, dude, you're better than that. Like, you're better than that. Like, why? Like, what the hell is going on? Do you, your dad is like a technician, a wizard.

He is good. Genius. And I'm like, why is this stuff going on, dude? Why are you losing his match? Yeah, just passion, which was wrong from my side. It's just hard to see somebody you love not getting... Not give their full potential. But when he did, I'm just like, oh!

I'm like, Pablo, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah. When you made that decision, it all changed. So then I took him to the World Championships. when he won Fargo. I saw you. Yeah, so he was able to watch. He was like, no, this is my gift to you as your uncle.

I'm taking you. VIP, we're doing the whole night. And then boom, his eyes just started glowing. It's like, bro, like, I understand what you're saying. Like, I want to be a world champion now. Yeah. Like, I truly do. And I'm just like, and you could do it.

That's the best. What you leave behind is what people are going to remember you for. All those titles are great, but ultimately it's about the world you leave behind. Are you going to leave it better than you founded Henry? I think so. Yeah. Or better yet, I know so. Yeah, I know so.

That's all you can do. You know, thank you for joining me, my guy. Guys, that was Henry Sehudo. Fantastic fighter, wrestler, father, coach. I just hope he doesn't start coaching too much because then his kids will start beating my kids, and we can't have that. We just can't have that.

Thank you, Henry, for joining me. Check out his water company and support everything this young man does. He is fantastic. Also, go watch Pompupley. as him and Kamar Usman's great podcast. Oh, we're getting a shout out, DC. Oh, we're getting a shout out. His great podcast, those guys do a tremendous job.

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