The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Daniel Cormier TV - BEST OF UFC 312: Sean Strickland + Dricus Du Plessis READY FOR A WAR
Episode Date: March 15, 2025Listen to THE BEST OF Daniel Cormier's check-ins from Sydney, Australia at UFC 312! Sean Strickland talks about winning the belt in Australia and why he's ready to dethrone Dricus Du Plessis as UFC ch...ampion and get his belt back. And don't miss Strickland fire shots at Israel Adesanya and Khamzat Chimaev! Plus, hear from Du Plessis and why his game plan for this fight makes him a LOCK to beat Sean and continue his reign as champ. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Oh, no. Are you a Mike, man? No, dude. Hey, Mike's a legend, dude. I remember the first time I
train him, dude. He's a legend. I mean, he's the guy that I looked up to. I mean, he's an asshole.
He still got a little pissing there.
Yeah, he's an asshole, dude.
But, I mean, you know, I'm pot calling kettle black here, right?
Yeah, man.
My man, thank you for stopping by again.
Guys, I'm here with Sean Strickland as he challenges for the UFC middleweight championship this weekend.
Back in Sydney.
Let's go, dude.
I mean, right where you were last time when you became the champ, when you got off the plane,
any memories come back to, like, this is the spot that I actually ultimately came to champions.
You know, man, it's a beautiful city.
Like, the people here are great.
I always say, like, Australians or the white.
trash of English in Ireland and you know I'm kind of white trash too so I feel like
when I come here I'm just with my people you know we all drive four by fours we all
love low gear you know so I'm his back in back in the commy land with my people
they were cheering you more than Izzy last time we were here now to me was crazy I
couldn't understand you know with Izzy I've actually like if you watch Izzy do
interviews I think he's kind of stunted like and well let me say when I say
this like you watch him say jokes like he did an interview with Nina and he's like
you look like a witch.
And it's like something like a little kid would say.
You're kind of like maybe because you had too many nannies.
So I don't think Izzy's necessarily a bad guy.
I just think you're stunted, you know.
And now once I've accepted that, I like him a lot more.
You like him a lot more.
But I mean like even in a sense of humor, like it's not autism.
It's like, you know, it's like I think it's what happens when you get brought up with nannies.
I don't know.
I didn't have a nanny.
Yeah, I know, dude.
Yeah, I did not have one.
Yeah, dude.
Well, you get back here, right?
was there a worry that you weren't going to get this fight,
especially when Hamzad wins that last fight in the way that he did,
and everybody's talking about it, right?
They're feeding it.
They're telling us, Hamzad look good.
That might jump.
Hamazah, dude, he's even allowed in the country.
That man's on a Homeland Security watch list.
Calm down, dude.
Are you kidding me?
He became best friends with a dictator.
I mean, dude, there is no lower human being on this earth than Chimai.
Like, you know, there is no lower human being on this earth than Chimai.
you became best friends with a murder
and you took G-waggans.
Like, you're not a man, dude.
You shouldn't be allowed in this country,
but I'll fight you.
I'll fight you. Don't worry.
What happened?
Before you guys used to train together and everything,
what happened?
Because right now, like, I remember speaking to you about Chamaio prior
and it wasn't as...
You know, like this, you know?
So Chimai would come to gym,
I know was a clip like, oh, me like being sarcasticly,
you're the best, you're the best.
Like, he would just go and ragdar low-level pros.
Like, dude, I mean, there's one guy,
a 55er and he would like he's like oh he kind of has the same like style and he looks like my
opponent i'm like yeah dude but he's at three fights he like stop beating the fuck out of this guy there's
so many guys in the gym you can fight stop beating this guy up jama i'm just a bully man and i mean even
like the crypto scam like history does not if you have an open honest opinion on chama i've you're
you're looking at a man that lacks all other dignity so you didn't love
never think that he was going to jump you for the belt.
I don't even know if fucking, again, like I said,
I mean, you can't become friends with, you know,
a murderer and then expect to even be letting me.
I mean, the reason why he's in Saudi Arabia right now?
Really?
Yeah, why do you think he has a fought in the U.S.?
You know, so many people say that, like Chil said that.
Chil said he's like, he can't come to the United States.
But I'd be thinking Chil's lying to me all the time.
No, I mean, again.
I think Chil's lying all the time.
No, I mean, like, it's fact, dude.
Like you, your family fled in this oppressive, horrible place.
And then you go back and you take G-waggons.
And then next thing you know, you're like, oh, fuck, this guy's actually a bad man.
I got to leave.
It's just hard, man, you know.
It's just hard.
Like, when so many people lack dignity.
And I understand.
It's easy to do.
But, like, you see all these people.
It's like, you know, back in the basketball player, you know, the funky-looking guy,
really, really funny dude.
Dennis Rodman.
Like when he goes and buddies up with
Kim Jong-oo and he's like he's not a bad
guy as he's killing everybody in an
oppressive regime.
Having character and dignity
at the cost of your own financial
well-being is one of the hardest things to do as a
professional athlete, but you must do it.
Well, you're not fighting Hamzad this weekend.
Yeah. Right? You're fighting against
Drekas dupluses. Re-match
and obviously now I can't,
if you win, I cannot wait for you in Hamzot to fight
because you're going to be fireworks.
because of the things I used to,
I'm pretty sure he takes a face.
Well, what I say, that was
let history record it is fact,
and if I tell a lie, please tell me.
But, no, I mean, Dreykiss, dude,
he fights like a real shit off a shore bus.
No, I'm seriously, he goes fucking,
he goes full sin, dude, like.
I mean, really, it's like,
if you were to go watch two little special kids fight,
they would resemble Dreykis.
Like, he's just fucking head down, full sin.
But it's highly effective, you know,
but unlike last time, dude,
you're not going to headbut me.
And I'm going to pick you apart for five rounds.
So you and Drake has fought before, very close fight.
Many people thought you won, as did you.
You know, man, let me say optics matter in fights.
And the cut.
I mean, you're got, I mean, you've been, you've had cuts on your eyes.
I mean, they had eight stitches in the muscle.
Like, my vision was gone.
So it took me a couple rounds to adjust to that, you know, cowardice, maybe as being a
pox, maybe I just, you know, all of the above.
But it won't happen again.
when you left Canada, right?
So before you and I spoke,
and we talked about the way life had changed, right?
And the belt mattered.
It mattered.
But then you kind of were almost dismissive, right?
Like, yeah, sure, I've got more money and a little more notoriety.
But ultimately, it's just a belt.
But then when the belt was gone,
we talked about this the other day, Chale and I.
It's all you want now.
Can you feel the difference in not being the champion now?
And that's why you're like,
I want what I felt when I had that belt.
I don't know, man.
I think the beautiful thing about having low self-esteem is even when you win,
you feel like you lose.
So I don't know.
I just,
life is so trivial.
And like,
I'll even tell my girl this weekend,
like in a fight over something stupid.
And I'm like,
everything that we find important means nothing in the grand scheme of things.
And I love fighting because it's a job.
I love the fans.
But like, man,
when you actually look at what life is and what matters in life and things become in perspective,
it's almost better because you can enjoy moments more.
Because if you put everything into this, whether it be a new car, like whatever promotion,
when you put so much into something, it like dilutes moments because you're so, you're so fixated.
But the moment you realize like life is trivial, this moment we're having now,
it doesn't matter which way it goes.
You're happier, man.
You're so much happier when you just understand
life is very short.
Yeah.
That being said, 25 minutes of war, my man,
I'm getting my f***ing belt back.
That's what I'm saying, right?
So the belt, while it is, right,
in the grand scheme of things,
being a champion is very important to you,
but ultimately you've done it before,
and that can never be taken away from you.
You will always be a champion.
I've worked my ass off.
I mean, I'd Johnny Eblum come down.
UFC sign that man, P.
Yeah, he's good.
He's a good fighter.
He's a savage. He's 33. He has probably, you know, three hard years left.
And he's a guy that I really, I want to see him.
You've seen more than anything.
I just want him to get a shot.
He's a savage.
You know, he wouldn't help me.
But, yeah, no, I 100% won my belt, dude.
I work my ass off for it.
I've been thinking about this for the last six months.
I feel like I've been in camp for like 12 months to six months.
It's been a long camp.
When you look at Dracus and now, listen, he's one of those guys that we all want to
underrated. Oh, he's not so good.
Risholbaugh. It's always like
when he knocked out Robert Woodaker, oh something's wrong with
Robert, he's not the same guy.
Then he wins a belt. It's like, it's one of those weird things
where like he's not that good,
but he has this, he fights really hard.
And when you have a chin made of granite
and you're big. And you're big and you fight hard,
you can do a lot.
But I mean like, no, he's not that good.
He just, he has a hard chin and he fights hard.
And man, I'll tell you what, do you're like, if anything, you have to have a little bit of admiration for a man who lacks in skill and just makes up in heart.
But it seems like, it seems like, well, so like after Izzy fight, I was like, okay, I'm done ever doubting Drecker's Duplice.
Because he obviously makes that thing work for him.
That style, he makes work for him.
So when you were training after being in there with him, right, knowing that the punches come from different angles, everything.
It's really hard to find someone to mimic him as a, to get someone just to come forward with
like no regard for their safety.
That's a real hard thing to do, you know?
But like I said, I had Johnny.
Johnny's a, I think Johnny beat Strykus.
Really?
Oh yeah, me and Johnny, we log rounds and I think he beat Strykus.
Really?
Yeah, me and him, dude, we're like, we're neck to neck, toe to toe, and he comes forward.
He's like a, he's a better version of Dreykis, I imagine.
Like, he uses more skill, but he's a hard guy to train with, which is why I had to,
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How you doing, champ?
Good, man.
How's everything?
Absolutely incredible.
Fight camp was amazing.
Over the moon, I'm happy that five weeks finally.
It feels like this fight camp was forever.
over Christmas again
that's tough
that's motivation for me
I was like
this guy's going to pay for making me
train over Christmas again
and we
I took five,
I had five days
for Christmas off
because my team
everybody had family stuff
and I said okay
but we started our camp
three weeks earlier
okay
so you could take that time off
and take that five days off
and spending with family
but by far the best camp
in my life
I'm feeling incredible
My man.
Drake is Duplessi.
Thanks for checking in with me.
Drake has defends his belt this weekend against Sean Strickland.
Clearly he had a good camp.
In those five days, though, when you, a guy like you that's getting ready for a championship fight,
when you take those five days, are you able to really disconnect?
Are you still running?
You still like, are you doing push-ups in the room and shit on vacation?
I had a whole program, man.
I had a whole program.
I was training super hard.
I was feeling good, but it was good for my mind.
I went fishing, caught a shot.
A massive one was great.
Wait, what do you mean the shark?
What kind of shark?
Raggedo shark.
It was 140 kilograms.
What's that?
Wait, 114 kilos, like 260 pounds?
Yeah.
It was a good shark.
How long did it take you to reel it in?
They said it's going to take an hour.
I did it like in 25 to 30 minutes, but it was a fight.
It was amazing.
Really?
And I was just saying I was jet skiing.
I was staying busy, burning calories.
Yeah.
And obviously to be able to have some of that Christmas
Christmas new, mom-made
and yeah
I mean to disconnect in the middle of a fight camp
and really spend time in family
I just realized it's impossible
it's my second year so
it was tough
you know my second year
usually I have two weeks with mom
dad my brothers
my nephew's niece
and once again
I was there but it's almost impossible
for me to completely be there
I'm almost looking forward to going back
and you know getting ready to fight
yeah you know what's funny
is we talked about this all the time how
you have truly turned a whole
bunch of people detractors and the believers
right now you've settled at the top
of the middle way division I remember when you fought Izzy
I was talking to Danny
and I said how do you see
this fight oh easy fight easy fight
and I'm like come on you can't believe it's going to be an easy
fight right then you end up submitting
Israel at Asana
today I saw this dude and I go
Strickland feels he's got that
he'll submit him like this confidence
that your whole entire team now
carries. It's very impressive because through your performances, you have shown that this confidence
is earned and not just something that's kind of made up by the people around you. Yeah, I think
I would hope the people around me believe in me as much as I believe in myself. Because that's
where it starts. If you don't believe in yourself, how do you expect other people to believe in you,
right? My team, my coaches, I know they believe in me, my brothers that are both.
here, my whole team, everybody around me I know believes in me to make, when you get a manager
or a nutritionist in or almost somebody from the outside, just part of the team.
Yeah.
Even if you get a photographer, a videographer, I need that person to be on my team.
Yeah.
I can feel I work off energies with the UFC.
I have
Thanis as my guy
with the camera
from the UFC,
the embedded guy
and he's the guy I work with.
I've worked with
from the first embedded
and I'm not working
with anybody else
because I don't trust
anybody else
because I know
thanis believes
in our team
as ridiculous
as that sound
because I only see
well you spend
so much time
with embedded people
right?
You know if they believe
yeah
and right now
I'm guessing
if he's unbiased
he goes
well
I'm going to be biased
now because
I've filmed
this guy, so I'm rooting for him. Yeah. So even if it's just that, for me, that energy,
I can feel it. And I can, I'll know if somebody doesn't 100% believe in me and they will,
there you go. Okay, I got a question for you. This kind of popped into my head. So when you went to
interview you one time and your coach, you see this meme where it says that I was reacting to
when your coach kissed you? Oh yeah. Did he kiss you? Did he kiss you? Because I didn't even notice.
I didn't even notice, Dracus. Like, that's why everybody was like, look at D.C. He's uncomfortable.
I did not even notice.
I did not even notice.
You're such a liar, bro.
I had no idea.
I was like, when I saw the beam, I was like, hey, look at you.
What did I do?
You ain't like, I did not do that, dude.
That's bullshit.
I swear to God, I didn't even realize it.
I didn't even realize it happened.
I know what you're saying.
And photos sometimes can be the same.
Yeah.
But that was a bad look.
It was a bad look.
Well, depending on which angle you look from.
Because I swear to God, if they looked at me on a different angle,
I probably wasn't even looking at y'all.
But that angle was like, it made you see that way.
You might have just looked over there, but we were in that direction kissing.
Very rude for staring, do you see?
That's so funny.
I just wondered about that recently.
I was like, I wonder if he's seen this thing.
Because, dude, they have all these memes.
I'm like, yo, I wasn't doing that.
I love the memes.
You like it?
I love them.
I save them.
I reshare them.
I really enjoy it.
Some of them are stupid.
They're very stupid.
But some of them are really funny.
Yeah, yeah.
They are made to make you feel uncomfortable.
It's like, I didn't do that.
You have to go to a lot of trouble to get me uncomfortable.
Really?
Yeah, no.
Nothing makes you uncomfortable.
Nothing makes me uncomfortable.
Bro, what you've done, seriously, has been, you know, really amazing.
You're fighting a guy you fought before in Sean Strickland.
He thought he won the first fight.
I think that
even on the commentary,
I thought that we were,
at least I was saying,
I thought you won.
I thought you won that fight pretty clearly.
He feels that he won that fight
what played the biggest part to him
is you headbutting him.
He said without that headbutt,
it's a completely different fight.
Do you think he's wasted too much energy
on that moment,
or do you think that's just something
that he takes to get confidence
that he can make it a different fight.
I don't think it was any of those.
I think...
Because he made the noise.
I think he...
If he talks about the headbutt,
that wasn't in the fourth round anyways.
Yeah.
And he talks about he was winning that fight.
He only won the first round, in my opinion.
You can make a case for the fifth
if you only score the last minute,
but he spoke about when that happened.
I went to go look at it
because after the fight was the first time
I heard about this headbut.
Yeah.
and I went to go see where he talked about it.
His eye was already bleeding.
When that happened, I remember in the fight when I cut him,
I thought he was speaking about the other cut here,
not the one on his eye.
I remember so clearly in the fight when I threw a one, two.
It's almost a fake, and I stepped over and I hit another straight,
and I caught him on the eye there,
and then I caught him three or four times,
even with the south pole jab or the straight right on the eye.
and I remember when I saw the blood for the first time
after the shot and I said ha gotcha
and I remember when I caught him on the eye
and I saw the blood flowing down I went
I hope that goes into his eye
because my one eye was proper swollen
so I could see a part of my eye
so I couldn't see through that eye properly
because especially after the first round
it went down during the fight because I started
getting out of the way of the jab
and then I thought okay cool at least both
We have one hour each and then I think that noise was for one reason one reason only to get back in the title picture
And I cannot hate that
You know, he's never taken away from my performance
He's never taken away that you know, I'm a good fighter and I cannot hate on the fact that he
You know, this is part of the game the guy who makes the case for getting a shot again and I got to respect that and I'm happy he got it because that fight pushed me and
And this is going to be the best comparison of the improvements that I've made over the last year.
And I cannot wait.
I cannot wait to showcase that.
Were you ever worried, though, like when it was happening, right?
Sean Strickland was called the number one contender after beat Paul O'Costa.
Then Hamzaa Chamaev beats Robert Whitaker, and he beats him impressively.
It seemed like Hamzad might be the guy, right?
There's so much hype surrounding the guy.
Would you have a concern like, it might be Chamaev opposed to Strzheimer.
opposed to Strickland?
Concerned, absolutely not.
I was hoping.
I mean, like, scared.
I mean, like, well, I want to, yeah.
Because, you know, when I looked at it and I went,
huh, they've, I know they've wanted Hamzat to be the guy for so long.
He just hasn't been able to.
No, Hamzat is such an incredible fighter.
He just hasn't been able to concentrate, well, get to fights first.
And, you know, whatever the case may be, however long he,
He has been the guy and just not being able to make that leap.
I know they want, because Hamzad has a massive following,
Hamzad is a big name, the hype is there deserving.
Hamzad is a special fighter.
And I believe that once he fights me,
that's when people will really see how special I am.
And I was looking forward to having that fight.
Do you think, but how in the world can you think that people still don't recognize how special you are?
what you've done now, right?
Because I, you and I, we spoke about this publicly.
You beat Robert Whitaker.
Oh, something's wrong with Robert.
He's not the same guy.
Right?
You go out there and you beat Sean Strickland.
Well, that was really close.
So maybe then you'd finish Israel-A-Sahia
when nobody was finishing Israel at Asana.
And then people start, oh, yeah, okay.
This dude is the real deal.
You still think, though, that there is a section of people
that you still got to show that you're that guy,
Like, you're that dude.
More myself and the believers than anybody else.
Those people who believe in me, even than you believers.
I don't care.
I'm not one like, you didn't believe me in the past.
I'll laugh at you after the first time like I did with you.
You told me.
You told me.
I did it with all the media people.
They were mentioning today.
After the easy fight, I'm like, ha, you all look like dumb asses now.
That's fun for me.
But I never take it personally.
Yeah.
And it's not about that.
It's just like, oh, you're going to.
find out. Yeah. And for me, it's about the people who believe in me, whether they are new
believers or those who are there in the beginning, proving them right and myself and going out
there and giving them the performance that I owe them. Yeah. And myself, the performance. You know,
when I pray before I fight, I don't ask for a win. It's not fair because the opponent can ask for
the same thing. How do you? I ask that I firstly get out what I've put in, that I get the
result of my effort and that I walk out of that octagon knowing that I've given everything that I can.
I don't ever, with a win or a loss, want to walk out of that octagon saying, I could have done this,
I should have done this.
Yeah.
In the two losses of my career, I walked out of there and I said, I did everything I could.
I got beat tonight.
Even my worst performances, that is, my worst performances with a win has bothered me more than
any of my losses.
Really?
Because getting out there and saying,
ah,
that's not how you,
I can't perform.
Yeah,
I can't perform like that
if I want to be the best in the world.
So that's what I ask for is
let me perform at the base of my ability.
When I get out of there,
I know I did everything I possibly got.
I was willing to give my life
to get that win.
And that's what satisfies me.
So Sean Strickland,
for lack of a better word,
is different.
Yeah.
Right?
He can say some crazy stuff.
We did an interview earlier,
him and I,
I think I got to cut the last like two minutes.
It's like I don't know that I can use it.
Seriously.
But he seems to like respect you much more than most.
Is it odd that when you watch him do media, he'll say things about you like.
He's like a kid off the short bus.
That's how he fights.
Right.
But in the moment you guys are like, he doesn't fight like a kid of the short bus.
No, he said you are.
Oh, he said you are.
He's like a kid off the short bus.
I was just giving him.
That goes full sentence, what he says.
But then...
Oh, he looks like somebody who built the short part.
Oh, my God.
100%.
What is wrong with you guys, though?
Yeah, he didn't.
What is wrong with you guys, man?
You guys have me chopping up interviews the whole damn time.
But he's quite respectful of you.
Until you guys get to, like, pressers and stuff in face-to-face.
100%.
Is that odd to you?
No, not at all.
I have the world's respect for Sean Strickland.
You know, in terms of I know, Sean Strickland.
as a fighter once you've shared you have shared the the octagon with somebody for 25 minutes and you
had to do it again.
It is incredibly incredibly hard not to respect somebody.
He's the only person who's ever been able to do that with me and I tried to kill him.
I tried to kill him and he was willing, he was able to withstand.
If there's one wish, it's for a sixth round.
Yeah.
That's what I have, maybe a seventh.
Oh, how long ever it would have taken.
But the man is tough as nails and he's willing to go for it and he's willing to
He's a fighter by heart and I have the world's respectful Sean Strickman as a fighter. He's a great fighter. He's tough
He's good and
You know he's made this work for him and I respect that I think he's a great fighter and he brings the best out of me
Yeah, every time I went to training I was thinking about that first fight how hard it was
how hard it was, how I had to push myself, how much I had to have complete disregard for
my health, for everything, and I would go harder.
And I would wake up earlier and I would do more because I knew he now knows what I'm willing
to do. So he's prepared for that. Now he's going to find out that I'm willing to go way beyond
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