The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Daniel Cormier TV - BEST OF UFC 319: Khamzat Chimaev BEATS Dricus Du Plessis, wins TITLE

Episode Date: August 24, 2025

Daniel Cormier is BACK, highlighting the best of his DC Check-Ins from UFC 319. Khamzat Chimaev beat Dricus Du Plessis to win the Middleweight Championship and Lerone Murphy knocked out Aaron Pico to ...set himself up for a title opportunity against Alexander Volkanovski.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:43 we have conversations about why he's the boogeyman. Most people, since we were children, we have been told the boogeyman comes at night and he's scary. You want to avoid the boogeyman. You don't want to deal with him. You put your head under the cover if the boogeman's in the room with you as a little boy. You're calling them out.
Starting point is 00:03:04 While everybody else is putting their hands under the covers, you as the champion walk to the post-fight press conference and say, Chimae is next. Why? I have to be honest with you, since the day I started the sport, I wanted greatness. That was what I was chasing.
Starting point is 00:03:21 I never chased money. I never chased fame. I never, if this sport wasn't, if this sport was not paying, I would be struggling to get by, to be honest with that. Let me ask you this, champ.
Starting point is 00:03:33 I love that point, right? He said the belt doesn't matter to him, though. It's about the money. Can you guys have different motivations and still fight at the same rate? right like at the same level because if you're doing it for that love and he's literally telling me that he's not doing he wants the money the you know like can you fight at the same level when there's such a difference in the approach you can but you can't fight me with that as your motivation you will be paying all that money to get out of there if you're in there with me for five rounds if the money is your motivation that motivation monkey will drive away very quickly money there's no amount of money that's going to keep you in that fight when I'm in there willing to give my life to win.
Starting point is 00:04:21 There's money can't buy that. And there's only one thing. It has to be bigger than you. Money is not bigger than me. Passion, legacy and achievement, that's bigger than me. Wearing my country's flag and being, making history from my country, bringing that bout back home. It's not a belt to belt. It's about bringing that victory home, representing my country, my people, my team, my
Starting point is 00:04:44 family, my crest, my kids one day are going to look at that. That is worth more than any amount of money. And that's what I fight for when I go out there, to be remembered forever. When you guys break down, Shimaev, what makes him so dangerous? I mean, it's the start, right? It's a takedown. It's the aggressiveness. It's the grappling. Is there anything that I'm missing? Because I don't look at him as an opponent, right? I've never had to. But when you, as his opponent, watch him and your coaches, outside of the fast start, the quick takedown, the avalanchevalence coming downhill, what is there to Hamza Achimai that makes me so dangerous? Or do you even view him as dangerous?
Starting point is 00:05:28 Absolutely. I think he's an incredibly dangerous opponent. I think he has the striking to put you down with one strike. He has enough power for that. He has the wrestling to fall back on if the strike can go south. And underground, he can do it all. He's an all-around fighter. With that, he's never lost, so he has grown used to winning.
Starting point is 00:05:49 And I think his whole mindset works around confidence. In training, within his team, this man does not lose in training. I don't think he does. I've only heard he doesn't. And that makes him dangerous because in his mind, he only wins. You have to teach him how to lose. You have to teach him how to lose, and that's why I'm here. Because I know what it's like to lose in training every single day.
Starting point is 00:06:14 I have felt defeat in the professional era as well, and it sucks. Giving up when you know what it feels like to lose is a lot harder than giving up, if you don't know. Maybe it's not that bad. But Hamza is dangerous because he goes out there and he believes that he can do what he wants to. He is that guy in the school yard who does whatever he wants to and he doesn't get into trouble. well, I'm the other guy who just got into the school and you're not going to get your way with me and that is why this is such a great fight.
Starting point is 00:06:52 You have two bullies who are going out there to see who's the man on the block. Yeah, so Lorone Murphy, undefeated, one of the highest rated guys in the UFC. Aaron, not many guys have come over and had success recently. Marcus Buccensha just came over, got beat. I had no idea he got beat.
Starting point is 00:07:10 Marcus Bucchensi got beat by a dude that beat him so bad that they cut him. The fight was that bad. The winner got cut. Patchy Mix didn't fight to his ability when he got here. Patricio Pitbull didn't fight to his ability when he got here. Michael Chandler's 2 in 5 or 2 and 6 right now.
Starting point is 00:07:30 What are you going to do different? Right? Because at this point, the expectation is that the guys come over and it's not the same. Ask coach. Coach tell you, when we came here from Strike Force, guys won, right? So it was like, Strike Force guys win. Belator guys haven't. Like, what are you going to do to make sure that you're not on that side, especially with a guy like Lorone Murphy has their opponent?
Starting point is 00:07:54 Well, I can, I don't want to sound cocky or anything like that. You know, they're all great fighters, but I'm Aaron Pico. Yeah. It's different in my mind. And that is a concern. I'd be stupid to say, like, yeah, guys have lost, but Coach Gibson used you as an example. It used strike, for his days. These guys came over and they won and it can be done and it's possible and you have the skills to do it. So I trust my coaches. I know how I work and what I know I can compete with the best guys in the world. But I'm not one of those guys that comes over and and says, oh yeah, I'm going to do this and do that. No, I know that this is the best fighting organization in the world and I'm not naive. I'm not stupid like I'm just going to come in here. I know what I
Starting point is 00:08:43 I'm going to do, but I have to go out there and prove it. You know, I still keep my mind sharp. I've taken losses before. I know what it feels like to lose. And with that being said, I've trained my ass off. I've dotted every, you know, I dot my eyes and crossed my T's. And all I can do is go out on Saturday night and do my job. And if I do that, I feel, I'll get my hand raised. So Lorone Murphy's a guy that he just wins. Right? It's not always the most fan-friendly, even though it's striking, but he just knows how to create situations where he always comes out in front.
Starting point is 00:09:22 He's fast, he's big, he's explosive, and he's just a flat-out winner. How do you approach that challenge whenever you found out it was, look, most don't want to fight of Loy of because of the wrestling. You, that's not an issue, right? So I'm preparing for another wrestler. That gets me excited. It's easier for the wrestler, especially one of our caliber. But when you get a guy like Lorone, who doesn't seem to have that ability,
Starting point is 00:09:48 but he's just a much better striker. And a guy that seems very, very good overall. Like, what did you guys make? And I know Coach Gibson is a great coach, right? I've had to fight him on multiple occasions, compete against him, and I respect him tremendously. But what's the original thought when you get Lorone Murphy now instead of Ivloyiv? And you guys get some tough-ass fights when you first get here.
Starting point is 00:10:09 You ain't getting no, like, easier fights when you show up. Yeah, it's a good question. I think I'm going to you're a wrestler so you know when you watched my wrestling match against Jordan Oliver yep Jordan Oliver is the best at footwork and he and he's uh he's he fakes he juke he can he knows how to win yep and what I did was is I put pressure I just smother his ass you have to smother him of course fighting is a little bit different and I'm aware of that I can't just go in there and just go guns blazing but I have to smother him I have to make it basically make his life stressful in that that octagon I can't
Starting point is 00:10:43 can't, you know, oh, let me show you my footwork and let's dance. No, it's, we got to make the fight ugly. When we take him down, we got to bust him up with elbows. So when he does get up, he's, his gas is going a little bit, the fakes, the juke's, the running is a little bit less. And it's just one of those fights where you're like, I got to, I got to fucking go. Yeah. There's no time to let's see how good I am and my striking and it's go tit for tat. Now you got to make this fight ugly. Lauren, when did you get, when did you hear of this? Like the main, co-main event, UFC 319.
Starting point is 00:11:19 Like, what was your initial thought, right? Because he was going to fight a lawyer, two wrestling guys. You're a striker, right? Like, what was your thought when they said, hey, we want you to fight Aaron Pico at UFC 319? Outside of just give me more money, right? Because most people want more money to fight. Like, of course, get paid. But, like, what was your original thought?
Starting point is 00:11:38 For me, I just need a big breakthrough, in it. I need a chance. I need an opportunity. to get where I would need to get and that's the title fight. So for me, it was like there's an opportunity I couldn't pass up. A lot of people would say
Starting point is 00:11:50 sit out and wait for a better fight, but for me, this is a massive card and a massive spot. Call me an event. I couldn't pass it up. So when you look at this fight, like what does it do for Lorone Murphy?
Starting point is 00:12:02 Because you're undefeated. You're the guy that has a long win streak in the UFC. You're the guy that would seem to be getting very close to a championship opportunity. Like, what's the win in the world? this for you outside of being on the big card? The win is you're supposed to be the number one contender fight before.
Starting point is 00:12:18 Like you said, you're supposed to fight Mofsa. Dana come out and said that that's the number one contender spot. So I've been shifted into that place now in my eyes. So with a win over R&P who I'm next in line. Oh, you want a title? You should have a title shot. For sure. For sure.
Starting point is 00:12:35 Who's more deserving than me? Mothsa was, but he pulled out a fight. So I believe I'm there now if I win. And if you win that would obviously lead to a championship opportunity, hopefully against Alexander Volcanowski. Like, do you allow you something to think of that? Like, man, I've been doing this for so long. I could be on the verge of fighting for a UFC championship and really changing my life. Yeah, for sure.
Starting point is 00:12:59 But I can't look past this weekend. It's a big weekend. And obviously, in my mind, for a long time since I've been in the UFC, I've fought of fighting Alex Volcanozky. He's been the guy at the top for a while in it. So, yeah, I've got to get through R&P Co first, and then hopefully that's next. In it? You said, in it?
Starting point is 00:13:18 Huh? You said he's been the guy at the top, in it? In it? In it? Like, I-N-N-I-T? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, isn't he? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, same thing.
Starting point is 00:13:27 But in it? In it. We say in it. In Manchester, we say in it. As in, yeah, right? So, Volcanowski's been a man in the top of the division for a long time. In it. Yes.
Starting point is 00:13:40 I'm trying to get you to agree with me. Like, what do you think in it? Okay, okay. In it? That was, I never, uh... Yeah. How would you say that, Danny, in your culture? I mean, I understand.
Starting point is 00:13:55 But what would you say? Isn't he? Yeah, yeah, that's proper English, but... But you're English? This is quick. Like, we speak quick. Okay, he speak quick. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:05 That's good. So, he is the champion in the weight class. but you've got to get through Aaron. Aaron presents some unique problems because he's been boxing since he was a little boy. He's been wrestling since he was a little boy. What have you done specifically to make sure that you can handle the wrestling? Because that's one thing. I mean, Josh Jimmon was a good wrestler.
Starting point is 00:14:26 You fought many good wrestlers. What have you done specifically to make sure that Aaron Pico doesn't try to use that wrestling and just ground you? Because if I'm fighting Laurel Murphy, if it's a 15-minute fight, my intention is to have you on your back for 12. them. Yes. Taking you down in the first minute of every round because then that gives me an opportunity
Starting point is 00:14:43 to slow you down. Your footwork and everything is what really does frustrate people and make it hard to fight. What have you done to make sure that isn't the case come Saturday night? Well, I know that. I know that's most people's game plans. So I've been working on my lifetime, really, in MMA. So I think I've had back-to-back opponents who have got me ready for that. Danny Gay, Goodwisler as well, Josh Emmett's same, and a thought took a cook-off as well.
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Starting point is 00:20:00 first time in Fight Island. You kind of picked me up a little bit, but like a little bit off the ground. Then the second time, we were wrestling again in Abu Dhabi, and you picked me up a little higher. It never felt disrespectful until today. You can't pick me up and spin me around. I'm a grown man, Hamza. I'm showing you love, bro. But you pick me. I'm not a child. My leg spin. He looks cute, brother. Hey! With the big shirt?
Starting point is 00:20:29 Why are you doing? Why are you doing it? Oh, this is Anderson. It's a very great company. My best company, yeah. It's beautiful. What is this? Why always black?
Starting point is 00:20:38 You could use a little color in your wardrobe. It's better to use the black, bro. What? I don't know. It feels better. You got to put that right there. You talk really little. Feels better.
Starting point is 00:20:47 Yeah. Oh? That's, I don't know. Colorful. Well, look at me, but look at me. Look at my face. Look at your face. This beautiful, black skin, caramel.
Starting point is 00:20:57 Your skin? Chechny, not beautiful like mine. That needs to be beautiful. What you need to be? World champion. Girls like terrorists. You're so crazy. You can't say that.
Starting point is 00:21:10 So, I'm arguing with Dean Thomas the other day, and we're talking about what you become a world champion would mean for the middleweight division. Part of the argument was the inactivity. He goes, he doesn't fight enough, so it'll become a mess. That's the idea a little bit. But you're here now. the U.S. so clearly you can get here to fight. Are you wanting to get active like you were when
Starting point is 00:21:33 you started your UFC career? Of course. Of course. I say if no injury, nothing's going to happen and I don't want to go back in Abu Dhabi defend my belt. You want to fight again in October? Yeah. That's fast. That's good. Fast money. What's your expectation for the fight this weekend, though? Because, I mean, Dreyka's duplice has been underestimated time and time again, Hamzat. But he's the only one that said, I want Hamzat next. Everybody else avoids the Hamzaa Chamaier problem. Not DDP. Yeah, there's respect, big respect, but I never understood my opponent,
Starting point is 00:22:09 so I just work hard for the fight. So I'm going to go beat that guy. Do you look at his skill set and think that he's, like, what do you think of his skill set? It's different. All the fighters is different. But this guy's skills are different because he must be insanely strong or something, right? Because it seems like he's doing stuff wrong, but it always works out.
Starting point is 00:22:32 Eresana, like, it looked like Eresana almost knocked him down. He ends up with a takedown, right? He overthrows a punch, throws Izzy to the ground. Like, what do you make of his fighting style? Between easy and me and big difference, but I'm not easy, you know. His takedown easy was a guy that never wrestle, you know. So I'm better wrestle, I'm better striker. so there's no way you're going to do anything
Starting point is 00:22:56 not striking not wrestling so I don't feel I'm better fighting anyone so back to you being able to fight in the country when you're at home right and you're watching everybody with these opinions
Starting point is 00:23:11 what are you thinking because you never said anything you never explained why you weren't fighting more frequently like what are you thinking and I remember watching the video with Chale and yeah Hams I can't get here and then he pans to your manager and it was like you were at the PI like what were you
Starting point is 00:23:28 thinking watching everybody with an opinion but not necessarily knowing what's going on yeah well i don't care about these things that they put me in opposition so it's not my fault so i was making more money and anyone does but i don't care about you were making money when you were fighting you said yeah when i was fights once i make more and anyone that so it's finally going to fight so I'm going to make more money. Did you know after the Robben-Wittaker fight that title fight was next? It should be. They said like three years ago I'm going to fight for the title, so if they make this long time.
Starting point is 00:24:06 When was the first time you heard that you would get a championship fight? After Gilbert Burns. After Gilbert Burns, they told you you were going to fight for the belt? Yeah. So what happened? I don't know. Did you ask? I never asked.
Starting point is 00:24:19 I said, just give me the fight for the money. You said that the other day, you said, you want the money. The belt doesn't mean as much to you. Chale and I were having a tough time kind of getting through that. Because everybody talks about the belt. Everybody wants the belt. But to hear you say, the belt doesn't mean as much. Like, why?
Starting point is 00:24:42 And when did you develop that mindset where it wasn't about the belt? It's about creating a future for your family. I have a question for you, girl. You want a $10 million or just the belt? But the belt leads to $10 million, Hamza. If I say to you, like, you have a choice here, $10 million and just the belt. No, I'm not taking the belt over the money. But the belt leads to the money.
Starting point is 00:25:05 To get to the money, right? If you work hard, the belt is coming, bro. I need to beat the guy just after that. I don't need to think about the belt and make some pressure on my head, you know. Yeah. I don't need that belt. So if I get it, maybe bring the back to my country and give it someone. What would that feel like to bring that bill back to you to rush?
Starting point is 00:25:26 For me, it's like not a crazy thing. I'm not like crazy big funnel. But it's going to be huge, though. It would be massive. For my people, of course, the first guy who has become a UC champion from Cheshire so they're very big for them. And I know it's big, but I like to fight. Hey guys, it's us.
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