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Episode Date: August 30, 2024

Daniel Cormier and Ben Askren are BACK with a brand new episode of Funky and the Champ! DC and Ben talk Kamaru Usman and Belal Muhammad's social media beef, and why Muhammad continuing to go at Usman is GIVING HIM a TITLE SHOT. Plus, Cormier and Askren get into the Mike Tyson vs. Jake Paul fight, and debate if Joe Rogan has a point that Tyson could still put someone's lights out. And stick around for Askren giving DC PARENTING ADVICE! #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm Daniel Cormier. That's been asking. What's up, Funky, Ben? Hey, man, I'm kind of glad now that we're back on good terms because a couple days ago, shit was messed up, dog. it was messed up, Ben. You're too funny.

That's not funny though. You attacked me personally, your own friend. You attacked me in front of other people. If I was your two friends, you would have texted me on the side, opposed to putting it in front of 13 other guys who are very judgmental. Because it wasn't just about you. See, you're feeling guilty, but it was about multiple people. So that's why I had the text to multiple people.

And, you know, I think the mark of a good friend is someone who could tell you, hey, your shit stinks a little bit, clean it up. Hey, guys, in the comments, tell us if your friends should ruin your day in front of other people or if they should text you directly. In the comments, let us know. Should have texted me directly or should have put that in front of people. Daniel Cormeier twist, you twist it because it wasn't about just you. It was about multiple people, which is, that was why I had the sense of multiple people.

And then you're making about just you, which it was not. Okay, guys, before we move on, it was about multiple people, but the fact of the matter was the group, the only person that was guilty of the infraction was me. So yes, it was about me in front of those people. Whatever. In the comments, guys, let us know. All right, Ben.

So we got a few topics to discuss today. But I want to start with Kamara Usman said something positive about Kobe Covington. I like Kamar Usman. He's my guy. I am. I like him a lot. He's a friend of mine. I will preface this before we get into this conversation.

And then I want to talk to you a little bit about a video. You're saying like, don't say anything too mean about him or nothing. Well, yes. Please don't be too crazy because I know at times you get a little bit crazy. But Kamar Usman said this. Kamar Usman said, I say it all the time and I know people can't believe the fact that I would actually go, credit to Kobe Covington.

I used to hear it all the time where people would say, you need a dance partner, you need a great dance partner. In the fight, the first fight, it was so much tension aware, challenged me so much to prepare to train and to go out there and just get locked into the zone. It was almost addicting that zone where I don't care what happens.

That's a great rival to have, Ousman said. For me, I've always learned very early on that. I'm very self-motivated, but I learned very early on that. It's a fight against myself. I always wanted to prove my, myself wrong. In a lot of his fights, it was me shocking myself. Wow, I really was able to do that. I really fought the battle in my mind to do that. So he's essentially saying Kobe Covington was a great

dance partner for him. But on the other hand, he's saying he fought himself kind of. So while he did credit Kobe Covington, he is also saying that him, Camaro Oussman, was able to elevate himself to these different levels. So it kind of sounds like he doesn't really need Kobe Covington. I will have to say there was a little bit of confusion in that statement. He said he said a few different things that may or may not have contradicted each other. He definitely, he definitely, definitely compliment Colby. And I think his compliment is probably, uh, I mean, yes a little bit, but I mean, it's a true. I believe it to be a true statement what he said there.

And then, I mean, both parts of it where you need a good dance partner and then that Colby was a good Tans partner for him. I remember I did this show with Front Row Brian, a podcast while back, and one of the things we did. Front Row Brian, that's a name I haven't heard for a long time. Well,

he has a different personality on Twitter, which I won't disclose. Why can't you disclose it? I want to know what Front Row Brian's up to know. He got kicked off Twitter for doxing someone, but it was one of those, it was one of those pettos. A guy who likes childs.

And he only linked an article to which the guy was actually getting arrested. So I don't really see anything. Yes. So I don't really see anything wrong with what he did there. Because it wasn't like he put. You still talk to Fort Rob Ryan. Yeah, of course.

So he has a new personality on Twitter. And so we did one show. We did best personalities in mixed martial arts. It was a lot of fun. But one of the things you noticed we did a top 10 was they had almost all have another opponent on the top 10. Right. So like Diaz and McGregor or you and John Jones were.

both on there, right? So you have to have that guy to bounce off of. Otherwise, you're not going to be out there. Obviously, sometimes it goes like, you know, there's three or four guys in the same weight class in the same range. You kind of like bounce off each other potentially. So yeah, I agree totally. You need a great dance partner. And they, I mean, those guys were pitiful and talking trash to each other, but they had a really great fight. I love what they were. I love what they were to each other. The rivalry, the fights were always really good too. Yeah. They were competitive. They were close. At times, obviously, Kamar Ushman was the better fighter

on those occasions and then went on to have one of the best title reigns in UFC Walterweight history. Yes. I love that you get, if you don't have that guy, if you don't have that guy, then every fight starts to feel like rinse and repeat. It's like when I was done with John Jones at that part of my career, and I was lucky, right?

Because I had Rumble twice, I had Jones twice, I had steep eight three times. But I had seven title fights between three people. So I had those types of guys constantly in my career. But when I was able to break away from them, when I fought the Gustafsons and the Volcanoes and Derek Lewis's, it didn't feel the same because it didn't feel like it had that underlying thing with the fight.

It was just a fight. And I believe that you do need that guy and you do train harder. You do do do a little more whenever you have that person that motivates you but I do also believe that being able to motivate yourself within is very important. I think Usman relies on that also. But that's when you have to have that in those other fights. While he was able to beat the rest of those guys, his best performances were against Colby, against Gilbert Burns.

Remember they had the whole teammate thing going on. It was always that thing that had a little more with it. Did you ever have that? Like I know you fought Mazvedo and you guys had that bad issue But it never really That wasn't even a fight I don't care

Yeah I look that That wasn't a fight Yeah I mean Unfortunately I made him very popular Based on that Which is not good for me But you know

I mean obviously I know what you're trying to do here Because I know you're I know Daniel I know yeah For me it was Chris Pelton Right

What am I trying to do You're trying to give me To bring up Chris Palleton No no no no I'm not trying to I'm not trying to I mean for me that one him, Daniel, that was it for me, right? So my, my biggest rivalry happened way earlier with

Chris Peloton. And I've said, I've been on record multiple times saying that that made me a significantly better wrestler because I always felt like I was chasing someone. And if you had taken him out, I kind of whooped everyone else, you know? So what I have been as motivated because I was kind of killing everyone else. But then there was this one guy for two years who I couldn't beat. And, you know, I obviously continued to be motivated after that. but, you know, take him out and I think, you know, maybe my progress slows a little bit or maybe a little too cocky too early or something like that.

So, yeah, I think those type of opponents are really important. You know, Kamaro Usman, dude, it's crazy, right? Because he's one of the greatest walk the weights of all time. But at this point, he has now lost three fights in a row. But, bro, he is on the mind of the champion, Belal Muhammad, like nothing I've ever seen in my entire life. Are you watching what's happening here? I actually kind of think Polalzian had better of him on the trash talk.

But okay, even though he's getting the better of him, is Belaw Mohammed speaking Kamara Usman into a title fight? Did you see the video he put up today? I mean, did you see the video? Hey, Luis, run the video. No, but Louise, run the video. That's the one we're talking about, right? The video of Kamara Usman and Bilal made like a song?

Yeah, and he's like stomping and he's throwing a few punches. Yes, that one. Ben, look at this video, bro. No, I mean, you know one way that someone could, look at this, right? Is that Uzman has a big name. He's a former champion. One of the longest reigning welterweight champions.

It's, you know, him, Tyron, and Georgia's are the three longer reigning wealthyweight champions. Leon's going to have to win a few more to get into that category. And so one of the ways that Bal can see it is, this is a guy who has a big name who held the belt for a while. And now he's over the hill. So he could be an easier opponent for me potentially. But is he over the hill?

He looked pretty good in the Chimaia fight. I thought he looked good to Jamiya fight. But now that, I feel like that's a little bit ago. I mean, we find an exact time and date on that. A year. Yeah, that's already a year ago. So once you get over the hill, you get over the hill fast. And so, you know, he's 37 or 30.

He's a little younger than I am. It's 37 or 38, I would say. And so, you know, maybe potentially he's looking at that fight versus, you know, a Shabot, he's going to be well known, but he's not, he's not huge yet. Or Dale, Delamadela, he is big, but he's not huge yet, right? Well, Jack Della's hurt. Jack Della's hurt. Okay, so he's recovering.

So it would be Shavkat if there was someone young as a contender. But, dude, Oussman's not washed up. Well, can we preface that you and you? I would say he's likely over the hill. Could we please at least admit that you and Kamaro don't have the greatest relationship? Because it's coming off like that. Please could you say that? Yeah, I do not like him.

That being said, I believe my judgment to be correct. in that, you know, we have the stat. We already have the stat. The fighters over the age of 35 at 170 and under like two and 37. So it's like, the facts are on my side as well. So he just fought Leon. And then you have Usman, you have Rachmanov, you have Dale of Mandelana, and you have Colby. And so, you know, Ball has been saying Colby's name also because, and I think he's thinking

that's not like Kobe though. He always, he always says Kobe sucks, like right away. Yeah, yeah, for sure. So, yeah, man, he's looking. got a big name and that's that's what you want to build your name and your legacy is another big name to be across from you uh he's me who knows maybe marty still got some gas in the tank but maybe he doesn't and maybe that i love his gimmick i love ball's new gimmick i love the new belal mohammed i i love his gimmick he's so disrespectful bro he disrespectful and everything he disrespects

colby he disrespects who's he always he always hated colby though always he always hated colby yeah guys all hate Kobe though. Because Colby's a douche. He's not that bad, bro. No, you stop it. No, I'm serious. Kobe is not that bad, bro. Like, he is not that bad.

I don't, maybe it's because you guys are in this weight class. What? You guys golf together. You guys are the golf buddies, aren't you? No, I'm just saying, he's not that bad. Maybe it's because you guys are in the same weight so you guys can't really get on to the Kobe coming to thing. You want to have of him.

It's fine with me. Listen, we are friends. We don't have to grant everything. I think Colby sucks. You feel to free. Feel free however you want to feel about him. Why do you think he's... Who's in the comments?

Who's right? Damn, put a point. Does Kobe suck or does Kobe not suck? A poll. Daniel or Ben is right. A poll. We will make Luis make a graphic. Lou, make a graphic.

Get the department to make a graphic. We'll throw it up on Twitter. Who does Kobe suck or does he not suck? It will throw it on Twitter to find out what people think about Kobe Covington. I don't think he's that bad. I mean, Machado Gary is probably a... A fighter two away. He's not ready for a title fight, man.

I mean, I'm just looking at the welterweight division of like who can you The Dale McElanna guy, he's really tough, but you're telling me he's hurt. Rock Manov's really tough. So, you know, Belal is probably thinking, hey, let me get a big name. Let me get someone whose best days are probably past him. And let me see if I can't build my reputation here. I don't know that his best days. I'm going to disagree.

I don't know his best days pass him, but it is the biggest name, right? To beat Leon Edwards, then to beat Kamar Usman back to back. would be massive for a guy like Belaw Muhammad. So Ben, last week we talked about Dana White and the cut, right? The cut that Marab had and Dana went off on him, right? And yesterday, Dana was asked about the same cut. He asked about Marab Duolishvili, and he was asked about all this. So he was saying that at this point, Marab's awesome.

Marab is cool, but he thinks that Marab is just messing with him, bro. Because Marab was taking out his own. own stitches, dog. Did you see the video, Marat? I mean, have you never taken out your own stitches, Daniel? But no, bro. He was not holding, like,

when they take out... There was some funny thing. You usually use a... You usually use a really small scissors. Yes. Tweezers is what usually is. Yes. Yes.

He was taking these big... Mara had these big scissors and he's just ripping stitches. Yes. Out of... Dude's got like weed eaters. It's like things that you use in the garden to, like, take the stitches out.

Do you think... When you watch him do that, it's not, I told you, it wasn't that big a deal. Yes. I mean, yes, I think he's trying to make a lot of it. I mean, that was my take last week. And today, as of today, when we're taping right now, I think we're 18 days away from the fight still. And so he has 18 days left to heal. And the stitches are already out.

Like, I think it's a non-issue. I think Dana overreacted last week or, I don't know it was last week, whenever the last time we talked. It was last week on the conspiracy. Yeah. I think Dana maybe overreacted a little bit. to that. And yeah, I think Marab's fine and it's going to be a non-issue. But yes, Marab is, he's funny,

for sure. He is. He is, like, how, though? How in the world do these, how in the world do these foreigners? How are they like unintentionally funny? Islam's hilarious, bro. Yeah. Kabid was hilarious. Like, this Marab dude, he's so funny and he doesn't seem to take himself serious.

That's a big part of it right there. What's that? He doesn't take himself too seriously, you know? And that's, you know what? It's refreshing. And that was, I think one of the reasons I caught on is because I don't take myself too seriously. Yep.

I let Daniel Cormier pick on me all the time. And because there's too many of these dudes that do take themselves so seriously. And so it's like, oh, like not another one of you guys. So they're all like that. A lot of them are like that. So, you know, a morib is refreshing. Why are fighters so sensitive?

Dude, it's bad. I mean, it is bad. Like, bro, you know that Joaquin Buckley has still been trying to fight me and pick on me? He's so mad at you. Why? Why? I don't know. Listen, I actually, so Joaquin, if you're listening, is don't be mad at me too, just because I'm friends with Daniel.

But I agree with Daniel. And I like Joaquin Buckley. I think he's good dude. Trains with Nick Simmons. I agree with you. You better say cut. No, I agreed. I agreed with you totally.

And this is where again, don't take your yourself too seriously. You're not going to hit 100% of it. time, right? Daniel Corrie, maybe you'll have a good drive once in a while, but he shanks something into the woods when he calls. That's what Joachim Buckley did on that post fight. He shanked it into the woods, calling out McGregor. It was just ridiculous. Like, I mean, maybe if you're going to do something like that, make one line about him, but don't make the whole thing about him, right? Like, say one line, like, you know, just to get his name in there and then go off on somebody else would have been much better. You have no idea how bad he's, how mad Joaquin Buck is going to be. Well, he needs to

He needs to stop. You gave him good advice. Joaquin Buckley's going to see me in Salt Lake City. He said he looks forward to running into me. And he's been praying to run into me. Well, that's what, okay, so, I mean, that's where, like, you have a large personality, a large following. And so a lot of these fighters, like, they're almost constantly thinking.

I don't want, I think cloud chasing is overused, but maybe that's, you know, a little bit. Like, they want to think, what type of interactions can I get to make people care? To make people care. Yeah. So Marab, when he went into the ring initially with Sean O'Malley, he grabbed this jacket. Oh, yeah, that was funny. And that, why was that enough? Why was that enough? Why was that enough? And why this

What do you mean? That was funny. That was great. But why? He's fighting out Jermaine Sterling. Yeah, I don't know. It was just like, it was just something hilarious that he grabbed that he stole and he wore it. No, I don't know. Like, I was laughing. Tell me you weren't laughing at that. I was, but I was like, well, it was because it was because it was the jack. was the red jacket. It was a, it was a ridiculous.

It was a ridiculous jacket. You thought that Michael Jackson looking jacket was ridiculous? I thought, yes, I thought that was. I thought it was one of the most stylish things I've seen a person wear. With no shirt.

O'Malley was wearing that with no shirt. He been living in California too long, bro. Huh? What? California too long. Don't forget your roots. You're from Louisiana and then Oklahoma. That shit don't fly around here in the Midwest.

Wait. The Michael Jackson jacket, don't fly in the Midwest. Could you imagine Sugar Show showing up in there with a jacket like that with no tattoos and no shirt? Could you imagine he walks in Wisconsin like that? Could you imagine?

Well, it's good for him that he can fight as well as he can because if he couldn't, he'd be getting bullied all the time. I just told my, look, hey, I had a great father's son talk this morning and because, you know, my son's six now. And he got his, some kids who harassed him yesterday and he tackled one of them in the, like, in the picture line for school for the year. So what happened?

And my wife's like, you gotta talk to him. Nah, he didn't really get in trouble. So, but so I said, you know what that doesn't happen here, right? In the Midwest, the teacher will go, okay, your kid doesn't. Look, my son did one Superman punch. One. My son does one Superman punch, bro. He wants to be Roman Reins.

The kid was bullying him. He does one Superman punch. And I get a call talking about, we understand how he grew up. He's growing up in a tough household. I'm like, my household's not tough. I have the soft, I'm the softest parent in the world. What he was, he got in trouble. It wasn't like, he got in trouble.

Well, I did so, okay, I did tell. Here's how I'll give you a talk. I told my son that I said, you know, if you're going to grow up and you're going to be a man, men kind of pick on each other a little bit. You know, if you're from Daniel Cormeier, maybe more than others. But I said in order to, to defend yourself, you have to be able to verbally assault them back or physically assault them. back. Now the problem is you fiddlesly to insult them in school, you're probably getting

trouble. So maybe you got to wait until after school or you're at wrestling with them. What? You are saying this to your six-year-old son. You're going to create a bully. No, no, no. Listen, I said, you can't bully them. But if someone is bullying you, do you know this? You're being funny because you know this for sure. There's only two ways to stop someone from picking on you. Yeah. You got to fight fire with fire. So you either verbally assault them or physically assault them. And then they know that's, there's a much is your targets, don't pick on that dude. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then

I mean, the other thing, obviously, and this is one of the ones that fighters should probably use more often because of who fighters are, but if it's someone below you, you can obviously just ignore them. Right? Yeah. You can just, I'm not going to respond to you. You're not worth my time. But as, you know, as like in elementary

school, middle school, that tactic doesn't really work all that much. No, they pick up in middle school, in elementary school, I had it bad. Really? These guys, oh my God. I had it so bad. I don't know. I was a little dirty kid. I had no new clothes.

I was a little dirty kid. I was a little dirty boy. You know like because of my skin color? Like if dirt gets on my face, it looks like it smears. I was always sweating. Bro, I played at recess until like eighth grade.

I'm in eighth grade running on the ground playing like basketball. That's what you're supposed to do when you're a kid. No. Kids started to sit. Dude, my middle school, they took us off the playground. They put us in front of the school with no,

toys. Why? Just sit on the grass. They wanted to encourage you that when you got to high school, there were no more toys to play with at recess. So they would- Sports are not a toy. Bro, everybody just sat on the grass. Everybody just sat on the grass. What? Nobody was like, I have never heard such a thing. Bro, I swear to God, in my middle school, they took us off the playground where the basketball hoops were in the monkey bars. They put us in front of the school where it was a big old grass pasture with a whole bunch of chairs. So at lunch, you sat down and, and you talked to get ready for high school.

I swear to God. So high school, there's no recess, but in middle school, like dudes are still in the sports in high school, but, you know, you go play football at recess or, you know, baseball at recess, whatever. We couldn't do nothing.

We didn't do nothing. We literally just sat there and talked. It was crazy. But, yes, fighters are sensitive. That is one thing that is absolutely true. I don't know. What do you think about my parental advice, Daniel? How do you rate it one to time?

Okay, Ben, so, so here. my wife doesn't watch his show. So I also had to work on his cross. I said you got him with the knuckles, you know, because when they throw punches, sometimes he was your wife, watch this. I said, listen,

I said, don't do it in school. But sometimes you just got sticking ones because I remember, like I said, I got picked, I think everyone got picked on, but I got picked on.

But I remember one time, I just threw the headlocked this kid, not squeeze so freaking hard. And people stopped picking on me, because they didn't want to get headlocked, you know? That is how I stopped getting bullied. I beat up a really tough guy. That's it.

It was over. I got double leg on. What was I got double leg on? He's like, whoa, you know what they said to me? No wrestling, no wrestling.

No wrestling. They're like, no wrestling. I was like, to hell with that. That's a fight. You need to learn to wrestle if you don't want to get your ass take it down and beat up. I came a honeybagger.

I was scratching him. I was punching him. I don't encourage. I don't encourage. my kids to fight. No, we need to fight more. We need to bring fighting back. No bullying. I love your parenting advice. I don't know that in California, I would encourage my son to wait until after school to fight with the kids. It just doesn't work like that here. I've been, I've been inviting you to leave the state of California. I know you have.

You guys are. It's beautiful, man. The weather's beautiful to play. It's just beautiful. I love, I love California, man. I know. Maybe you don't get to beat people up on the street as much as you do in Wisconsin, or Oklahoma, those other places. I'll trade it. I'll trade. It'll be a good trade off for me. I'll reserve myself from beating kids at wrestling tournaments.

I'll reserve myself from my children beating people up at school to just live in California. I'm sorry, Ben. That's just me. It's my choice. I get to do that. All right, Ben, let's go before you go. Before you go. But we're, listen, see, we came on here to talk about MMA and now we're giving parenting

advice. It's been awesome. This is one of my favorite shows so far because now people know who you are. That now those comments with whether or not Ben was right or if I was right because he was bullying me in that group of people, you know who was wrong. It's this guy. I don't bully people. I don't bully people.

You bullied me in that group message. And we're supposed to be. Daniel, you know the reason we became friends? Why? Like a long, now this has been, we'll say 16 years, 2008 probably. is I didn't let you bully me. You go around bullying everyone else and everyone else was kind of scared

to give it back to you. That's a bad word to you. Yeah, and I said, listen, you got to verbally assault them back. And I would give it to you back. You constantly picked on me. You had no respect to the fact. No, I was the only one to stand up to you.

You had no respect for the fact that I was the senior member of the team. You disrespected me from day one you disrespect. No, I was the only one who wouldn't just roll over for you. Yeah, it was You know the other one you didn't, hey, we actually have to, we should do a shout out on the show that when you do this.

Because the only other one you didn't mess with, and I think it was likely because you were scared of them, was Steve Mocko. His son just won a 17 year world title. Can you believe that his son won the world? Oh my God. What I wouldn't do for my son to win the world, I would pay whatever money you could imagine

for my son to be a world champion and he killed everybody. You know what's crazy? Two years ago, he wasn't very good. He just got good. Little Michael just got so good in a short period of time. Steve's doing it right down there, man.

He's training kids out of America top team. Great job. Hey, last thing, Ben, before you go. So Joe Rogan was talking about the Mike Tyson versus Jake Paul fight. Oh, I can't believe. I thought that everyone was going to blow over. No, it's happening. It's actually happening.

I know. We're doing a preview on the volume on my channel. I am doing a preview of the Jake. make Paul Mike Tyson fight. Oh, my goodness. The Game Time app has been rocked with for a very long time, guys. And you know that the Game Time app is the worldwide leader in last minute ticket purchases. So whether you're going to a concert, going to a show, you want to go to a sporting event,

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or wherever you get your podcast. So Joe Rogan is talking about Jake Paul versus Mike Tyson. Here, I'm Googling it right now. Me at 60 versus me at 28. I don't know. I just hope for the both of them that it transcends the circus type of atmosphere and it's a legit

fight and nobody gets hurt. He said, but me at 60 versus me at 28, different. But it's Mike Tyson. So it's very, very different. He said, what bothered him the most is that he's got to kind of slide back into that warrior. And I'm not sure that he needed to do it. But it feels like he's saying that Mike could catch Jake Paul.

Do you anticipate that there's a chance for Mike to catch Jake Paul? My reasoning and my logic. And I know this doesn't work out all the time. But here is my logic and reasoning is that Mike Tyson and Roy Jones fought. a very competitive bout, even back and forth. And then Roy Jones lost Anthony Pettus, who was a very good striker, but is much smaller, right? And is probably past his prime.

And, you know, Jake Paul is probably, you know, he's probably legitimate. 185, he'd be big at 185. So he's probably bigger than that. Anthony was a 55 pounder, right? So we're doing with much different sized people. I just feel like 58 is, I mean, yes, you probably, the one thing you probably retain is the power,

so it's probably my tights needs to catch him. But the gas tank and all the other things go along with it are definitely go downhill, especially when you haven't been doing it very competitively. But you're 58 years old. Okay, so I just read that RF when I was kind of trying to skip around and I butchered the shit out of it. It was terrible.

But let me give you just the quote. Because again, I'm trying to find this. Come on, Lou. Louise, come on, baby. You've got to help the boy out. But anyway, he did. Luis said, this is the quote. Okay.

58 is 58, no matter what you're taking and what they're doing for you, you're still 58. But 58-year-old Mike Tyson is not 58-year-old Mike Jones that lives down the street. He's a different type of human being. He can still knock your head into another dimension

if he can catch you. So, again, to that point he's saying, It doesn't matter the age. If Mike catches you, he can knock you out. You know what? The thing about it to me is I understand that and I get it. And I get what he's saying. And I do agree that the way Mike looks on those pads when he is hitting pads with Raphael Cordero,

it looks like there's still something left in there. But then I watch Jake Paul fight Mike Perry. And I watch Jake Paul get pressed to where he starts. to feel uncomfortable, and it looked like Mike Perry had a chance. But then Jake has a reserve tank to go to and get and draw from because he's 28 years old. And then he comes back and he ultimately finishes Mike Perry. But early in the fight, Mike Perry's like beat. Mike Perry is getting beat on.

Drop. He looks out manned. He looks out match. But then after he starts, middle rounds, he starts to work his way back into the fight. Mike Perry is also a young guy. But then as the fight went longer, Jake Paul draws. on this reserve. Yeah.

Finishes Mike Perry. Many believe that in that reserve is a few banned things. But at the end of the day, it allows for Jake to draw from that and put himself on the path

to get a victory. That is my concern. Because what if this thing looks like a 58-year-old man fighting a 28-year-old man when Mike can't draw from that reserve tank to stay in

compete with this young kid. Yeah. I mean, uh, I feel like that's how it's going to go. That's going to be competitive early and 58 is old and he's probably getting it tired. And yeah, I mean,

I've said this. I don't, I think it's not a win-win because I think like, I think it's kind of dumb because I think it's a lose, lose for Jake Paul. That's, that's how I feel. Yes.

I agree. Because everyone loves Mike Tyson. You're beating up Mike Tyson. Like everyone loves my age old. Why do you want to fight a 58 year old? He's 58. He has it. been actively competitive in, I don't know, 20 years.

How do you, how do you, how do you, how do you, how do you, how do you, how do you, how do you know, what's the conversation look like when the guy goes, no, I want to fight Mike Tyson. I mean, uh, maybe, same thing I said, same thing I said is ball, right? Where, uh, you know, it's like, who's the biggest name that I can fight who I can possibly beat, right? With the less risk, less amount of risk. The least amount of risk, yes. At least amount of risk.

Hey, did, hey, Floyd Mayweather fought last weekend. Right. I had no idea of Floyd may, maybe it was still boxing. Something weird about, but he's not, it was like an exhibition. It was like one of the bodies or something. But he's fought him before. What is going on with this? I have no idea.

It's so crazy. That's why we're like, who paid for that? Because to your point, I had no idea. I saw it on Twitter the next day. Like, I had no idea that. What was going on? Mike Tyson actually doesn't really need the money. So it's surprising to me that he's fighting.

Yeah. It's very surprising to me. I think he does. like what the Pauls are doing, bringing attention to boxing and maybe he wants to. Yeah, you said that. Push that forward. I think that's probably most likely because, yeah, I don't think he needs money. I think he's probably happy.

He's old. You know, maybe he does. I told you this. I would wrestle another match or two. Like, I don't want to do a tournament. But the right person, though. Although I was giving out a lot of money. I listened, I had a great bike workout yesterday, Dan.

Yeah, I pushed myself hard. And I said, you know, Iowa wants to write me a check and find me some eligibility. I'm in. Ben, but let me ask you this, though. Tell me a 60-year-old person in your life and tell me, do you think that they can compete at any level? I would say there's zero precedence in any combat sport. I mean, have we ever had any one or 50?

What was that one at Bernard Hopkins? Didn't he fight for a really long time? He was like an iron man. Like a really long time. What if Mike knocks him out, though? Then it's over. Then like, where does Jay? I mean, where does Jay?

All time. everything's done. It would be an all-time backfire. I don't think nothing's ever been done like that in the history of sport if he gets knocked out. Yeah. Let's see. How long did Bernard Hopkins fight for? Bernard was the man at 40.

At 40, he was still like the best. Yeah. I wasn't even later, Daniel. 47 maybe? Oh, my God, his last fight. Now, he did lose his last few. But it looks like, well, look, and listen, I know there's a lot of organization boxing, but it looks like he retained his heavyweight title at age 49 and he lost it

later that year to Koboleev. Okay. Oh, he fought Kovalov at 49 years old? Yes. Well, Bernard Hopkins is a beast. Seriously. So crazy. Yeah, Brian just said he fought at 51 years old, Bernard Hopkins.

So maybe, hey, oh, oh, now I'm starting to believe my time. My time is my year. No, hey, I'm starting to believe. I'm starting to believe. believe no. I mean, what do we all love to see it? Let's not get her hopes up. This dude, Ben is funny. Listen, Santa may not bring you anything nice, but if he does, it would be a great

surprise. Just take it and be happy. Take it to be happy. Then you're the man, bro. I love doing it. I love doing it. See you. All right, guys.

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