The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Daniel Cormier TV - Daniel Cormier & Ben Askren REACT to Jon Jones avoiding Tom Aspinall, Merab broken toe, O'Malley

Episode Date: May 29, 2025

Ben Askren IS BACK with Daniel Cormier to talk all the biggest headlines in the UFC, including the ongoing Jon Jones and Tom Aspinall saga, Merab Dvalishvili trolling Dana White and UFC with broken toe, and his massive championship fight against Sean O'Malley at UFC 316 in Newark, New Jersey! Askren argues that Dana and the UFC should move on from Jones, and give Tom Aspinall a fight for a UFC heavyweight championship. Don't miss DC gives his take on why HE'S SURE Jones and Aspinall will be fighting. And stick around to hear Askren and Cormier talk Russian TUF in Thailand, Ben's recent injury, and much more! #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome to a brand new episode of Funkie and the champ. It's been in a minute. But Ben's finally back. Like, Ben has been so busy that we can't track this dude down. What's up, Funky, Ben? It actually was. I mean, honestly, you know from a wrestling coach's perspective, April and May are nuts.

I mean, I was traveling so much. And so we got a few weekends where we're cooling off here. We had last weekend off. I'm actually going to the Bitcoin convention in Vegas this week. That's what you're doing? So we're rushing because. because you're going to a Bitcoin convention. Oh my God.

So amazing. Remember, I was trying to convince you to buy Bitcoin when it was like 35, I think. And then you want to send me cash, so I would do it for you. Yes. And you wouldn't do it. That was wild, bro. I would not do that. Why?

Why would you not do it? That's wild. That's wild. You could have hooked the boy up. Don't tell me that it's paid dividends now. Just send me your IT guy. I know maybe it's Luis is buying Bitcoin for you. I don't know who it is, but send me somebody.

Ben. Cassandra, maybe. It's Ben. Yeah, yeah. Yo, she bought Bitcoin way back in the day. Let's go. Bro, John Fitch once took a sponsorship, thin grand in Bitcoin,

and now it's just worth this insane amount of money. Oh, bro. In 2009, he took Bitcoin as a sponsor. No. Where did he got? Did he save it all? There's no way to save it all. He's done really well for himself.

Yeah, wow, that's impressive. Hey, Ben, so we got a couple things to talk about this point. One, we're going to get into the heavyweight thing because, dude, there's like a petition out there now, which is crazy. And then, but let's first start with the guy that's fighting next week in Newark. Marab de Wallace Willie posted a picture the other day about his toe. Now, Luis, I'm not exactly sure, but this isn't the first time that Marab has shared an injury going into a fight. What do you make of it, Ben? Marab, he doesn't give it to him.

He's like, did you ever enjoy that video about the Honey Badger? You've seen that, right? Yes, I have. Oh, my gosh. That's like Marab. He's like a freak of Honey Badger. He doesn't give a shit. He just wants to bring the heat all the time.

That's a little bit like Mitchell Messamerink. Like, he, Mitchell could be like, hey, let's show up and do a nice light workout. And then all of a sudden, four minutes later, you're just brawling. And you're like, what happened? And he, you know, like, that's what Marab does. He just goes hard all the time. I freaking love it. You know, Marab Duolis really said,

um, keep your mouth shut. you know, like, well, no, no, no, sorry. So people were talking about Marab and him showing the injury. And the vast majority of people think he should not say anything, right? But Maraub told Michael Bisbing and, hey, my toe's good. He said if anything was wrong, he would cut it off. But he doesn't need to cut it off. It's good.

It doesn't bother him. But the vast majority of people, been especially people like us, who are talking about the fight. We see it like, this is not a good thing. Remember last time he had staff and he was showing off the staff? Everybody was concerned, like, yo, this dude needs to do.

He doesn't give a shit. At some point, right? You got to keep those injuries to yourself. I mean, I just think so. I really do, man. I really believe you got to keep it to yourself. Because here's the deal. Maybe, and you and I can really attest it.

A toe might seem like a small deal for a guy that doesn't kick that much. But it is a big deal for a guy that has to wrestle without a shoot. Imagine all the push off we generate when you punch and when you shoot as a wrestler. And that was one of my biggest things when I started, Ben, was I had a difficult time pushing off of my back foot to drive into shots.

That's why I would just snatch legs and then pick them up Because I couldn't figure out that drive without the wrestling shoe Well honestly staying high level in MMA is probably the way to go So you probably were great there You had that nice little jab Perry head outside Then pick them up and down and you were great at that. But you want to hit that but like I wanted to be able to run a dude over But I couldn't because I never quite could figure out how to drive off my foot

Without the shoe on because I was so used to wearing the wrestling shoe But again a lot of that that push is generated it off of that pinky toe. Yes. You drive off of those feet. So for Marab, this is a much bigger deal, Ben, than he's letting on. I'm sorry. Nah, Marab, I'll tell you that there was one comment I was worried about that he made.

He made some comment. I'm going to get the exact words wrong, but something the effect of like, I'm not motivated or I'm bored by having to fight Sean O'Malley again. I don't think he deserves it, essentially. That kind of like threw me off. Like, because, you know, Marab, one of the things he's known for it, he brings, every single time. He shows up and he fights his ass off every single time. So that kind of worried me that he said that.

So here's why I think the problem is with these guys in Sean O'Malley. There's this idea that Sean O'Malley sells a boatload of paper views. And Al Jermaine Sterling said publicly that that wasn't the case. Because he got the numbers. Right. He said the numbers weren't what he expected them to be. Granted, that could be something way more than what most people are selling to. but we just don't know that number. Yeah.

Publicly, he said something to the effect of it wasn't what I thought. If I knew it would have been that I wouldn't have fought him that fast. Because you remember he returned. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Quickly. Maybe Marab is now on the A side of this thing and going, well, this isn't going to generate as much as I thought. So the risk is not as appealing at it may have been if I knew we were going to sell 600,000 pay-per-views.

Yeah. I think maybe that is where that motivation comes from. And honestly, he won four out of five rounds in the first fight. So it doesn't really feel like, if I'm being honest, it doesn't feel like a fight that had to happen back right now. I mean, I agree with that fully. But like we said, Marab, he just doesn't give a shit. He wants to get there and fight.

There's not a lot of people like him left. So, I mean, I do truly appreciate someone who's willing to fight that frequently, Alex Pereira. But there's not really a ton of them. That warrior mentality is kind of lost in the world of mixed martial arts. Well, those guys don't fight that much. I was talking about Islam and, uh, and, uh, Ilya.

And they're two of the most active guys since, like, in the last three years. And Ilias fought six times, or four times, and Ili's ends on part six. That's only an average of, you've picked a little break recently, right? Hasn't he ever fought in it? Ilya's kind of had a little break since his last fight. Well, he knocked out Max,

and he knocked out Max in Abu Dhabi in October. Yeah, so it's been a little bit. Eight months, seven months. But he still fights, right? he fights more frequently than most, and he's fighting against international fight league. But in terms of Marab, I think at times you keep those injuries to yourself, man.

And he better be motivated because O'Malley, O'Malley has a lot to prove in this fight. But Ben, can he, can he, do you think he could have improved the wrestling that much in that short period of time to stop the guy from taking him down over and over again? Well, it's going to be really hard for him to do that. But, you know, the one thing I think about Sean O'Malley,

and this is what it's like, I didn't like the fact that Marab said he was, was not super motivated was that, you know, in wrestling, too, I don't need to beat you by points if I can pin you, you, right? I don't need to beat you in a five-round fight if I can knock you out. And Sean O'Malley is one of those you guys at that weight class that can put people down on a semi-regular basis. Well, yeah, and Maraugh beat him by decision, right?

So, like, if you got to beat a guy by decision and it's 25 minutes every time, it can prove to be very difficult. So O'Malley does have a chance here against Marra. because he can knock you out and because of, and also for O'Malley, it's about getting out ahead of you and putting damage on you early because if he puts damage on you early,

then you're less effective, right? Once you start taking damage, it's harder to wrestle. You get more tired. While you might be a cardio machine, when you start taking that damage, it starts to take a toll on you. Yeah.

That ain't, uh, that ain't fun. Especially if you know, you know, you can clip him in the eye or something and affect his vision and now, you know, Marab is really heavy on the entry. he's great at entering into the strikes to the takedown. And so if his vision's affected, that can be really problematic. Man, who did Sean start training with that?

I was like, there's someone I was like, oh, man, that's a really great move by Sean. I'm freaking blank on who it was right now. Isn't it funny though, we're like, but if he can do this to Marab or if he can do this to Marab, it's like, Marab really has kind of separated himself to where it's like, something horribly wrong has to go, has to happen. or most don't believe he's going to get beat because of his ability to just really drown you over the course of 25 minutes.

I mean, I do shot 50 times, man. 50 times in a fight against Peoria. That's crazy. That is crazy. Hey, so John Jones and Tom Aspinall has, it's as the world turns, this story. I saw a video the other day where Robert Whitaker said, no one cares anymore.

Like, no one cares anymore. Let's just, uh, let's just be done with it. Yes, what it is. I agree. Forget those guys. But, but, but clearly, Ben, people care. There is a signature to strip down Jones, uh, a petition.

Did you sign it? It's almost 70,000. You signed it, didn't you. I didn't, I'm going to go, I'm going to search the database. I didn't search it. I didn't sign. I didn't sign. I didn't sign.

Dude, has 70,000 signatures. Man, it's annoying. So I'm not done with Tom Aspinall. Tom Aspinall clearly wants to fight. I don't know why. The UFC just doesn't, when I'm starting knocking people down, right? Like, go to the next guy, go to the next guy. And, hey, John wants to come back.

And, you know, Daniel is really big on negotiating power. So if you show John, hey, John, we're going to move on. I'm going to have Tom Asperall fight this guy and he's going to fight this guy. And he starts rolling. You know, John essentially has almost all of his power. taken away. So I'm almost puzzled that Dana has not used that maneuver to this point. All right, guys, it's the greatest time of the year, the NBA playoffs. Look, I don't care if you watch basketball all season or not.

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Like, come on, man. You can't have an interim champion. You can't have an interim champion defending the belt. Having a heavyweight champion who won't defend his belt. kind of absurd also. You can't have an interim champion that's defending the belt while the heavyweight champion isn't. Which one's more absurd? That the interim champ will just be defending the belt if the heavyweight champion is there.

But the heavyweight champ won't fight. Just say he's injured or say he's sick. I don't know. Say something. Just say like, hey, we're getting a little break. He wants to go play around Thailand and roll. That looks like a great time. He jumped off the roof and he was rolling around the dudes in the pool.

There was one I saw where he like jumped off like into the. the pool, you know. So it's like he's having a great time. And listen, if John Jones wants to go live his life, he's always welcome to go do that, right? But that's why I'm like, let's just move on. And that greatly increases their negotiating power. So I just don't see why they haven't done it. It almost makes me think, now I'm a conspiracy theory. You know that. Yeah, you are bad, bad. It makes me think John's got something on data.

You're like, you've been way too much time on X. Oh, X by the way. What? X by the way, called me. X called my phone yesterday. So, okay. This is a hack, heck. Bro, I swear so like, I'm like prime target for hacking because I'm old and like,

I'm like giving communications. I told you the story about that time I was at a sponsor at Anderson Ord and they were hacking my bank account and I was just giving all the info. Finally, because I was sponsor, the sponsor had a mic on me,

the guy goes, I think D.C. is getting hacked right now. Why? So the guy walks over and he's fucking goes, I swear to God, I was giving them on my address, my info, bank account had gotten stolen because I saw an iPad bought in Miami.

I was like, I haven't been to Miami. So my logic tells me that that happened. Bro, the audio guy starts cussing at the hacker. The hacker finally. What about when your daughter was buying all that stuff and you thought you were hacked there too? So anyhow, yes. So X called me yesterday. But X called me a while ago.

And finally I didn't answer. It said X. I denied it. They called back. Hey, I'm with X. And formerly Twitter. and we're calling me because I said, no. I go, there's no way.

I haven't been hacked. I go, you're trying to hack me. And I've gone through this before. So what I have done is I have notified the authorities to know that when this number calls, they're going to be calling you. And I'm like, just fucking give me. And he hangs up the phone. He hangs up the phone on me really fast because I got their asses.

So the next time you try to hack DC, I got my phone tag to where you can get called by the police. I'm telling you, I'm getting them. Really? Really? Doug. Yo, X be trying to get it. Yeah, it's a trick. I'll tell you how to do it.

I've got some friends in high places that got me now. Man, well, I mean, I just get incessant span. I don't, I don't know what you, I don't answer my phone. Like, unless there's a number I know, I'm not answering ever. Well, you never answer the phone. You don't answer the phone, even when I call. I keep my phone permanently on silent. So, like, I would, obviously, if I saw you were calling, I would answer for you.

But, uh, anyhow, anyhow, back to John Jones. Anyhow, back to John Jones. Did you see the video of him jumping into the pool in Thailand? He's having a great time. Luis, run the video of him. Lerese, run the video of him jumping in the pool. Okay, Ben, so yep, that was John Jones jumping into a pool. That was John Jones.

So, John Jones was jumping into a pool. John Jones was riding a motorcycle in Thailand. John Jones was, he says that he's living his best life. But does that mean it's over? Like, is fighting done for him? I don't know because he said something about being happy, but he wouldn't say he's retired. It's a weird place that he's at in his career right now.

And then Aspinall's message yesterday, that was weird. Well, Aspinall was doing what he did. Yeah, he was saying heavyweight news coming up soon or something. And then later he clarifies that that wasn't my, it's not my fight. So it's like, does that mean they're stripping John and they're moving on? Like, what does that mean? Like, what else could it mean? Are you watching this?

When John Jones was in that pool, they're like, dipping in his stuff. Like he just seemed happy. He's smiling. I ain't never seen a house so big in my life. He's smiling, man.

He's so happy. What's wrong? What is that? He's living his best life, man. Let him go. So just give Tom Asmel a damn fight. Tom Asmel's been sitting on the bench

for, I don't know, 10 months now. We have other heavy weights. Bullkov was recently speaking up about how he would like to be more active. We have plenty of other heavy weights who want to be plenty active. Just get these guys fights.

But what if Tom I'm asking all his beat. Then he just doesn't deserve... Then John Jones fights someone else. But then he just didn't deserve to fight Jones in the first place? Absolutely. I mean, think about

what happened with Michael Chandler. How long did he wait for freaking... Connor. Like, do not do that. So you have, man, you have a bunch of younger, fun heavyweights. Like, let's look these dudes

start mixing it up. Yeah. I mean, I don't know, man. I just have a really bad taste when it comes to having a heavyweight champion. and then having a interim champion defending the belt. You know what's crazy? Super weird.

John Jones and Tom Aspinall both have the same amount of title defenses. One. Heavyweight title defenses. Heavyweight title defenses. How is that possible? How does your interim champion have the same amount of heavyweight title defenses as your active champion? It doesn't make sense. Yeah.

I mean, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's kind of the John's, I, I, I would love to be all to, like, pour some truth serum down John Jones's throat and actually just, like, talk to him and just, you know, get some real answers because he puts all these different, like, vibes out there. And I mean, I would have to, so just looking at his resume and people can argue this, obviously one of the greatest ever. Yes, he is. Based on his men, you have some of the drug stuff, which you could argue, but he is. but then it's like it feels almost like the prophecy wasn't fulfilled life you see what he was doing in you know uh we'll say what

2011 i think is when the first won the title or 12 somewhere in there that's a long time ago and he was crushing dudes and he was fighting a lot and then it was like gap after gap he was young though he was young absolutely but there's probably I would venture to guess I'll give his resume I would venture to guess there's by four gaps in John Jones's resume that are a year

plus between fights. Well, between, yeah. Him and I had, there was like two years between our fights because of the stuff. So we fought in 2015. Then he got in trouble in 15. And then I won in May. Him and I were supposed to fight in jail. He fought back again a year after that against OVents.

So that was a year. And then we were supposed to fight at UFC 200. And then he got in trouble there. So from 16 to 17, that was a year. And then after he fought me, he fought Gusterson like a while after. That was, after he beat me, I won the belt back in 18. I won the bell back in 18. So I had that until the end of, I think he took the belt back in 18 when he beat Guston

in Los Angeles. And then he was actually super active there. He fought between December and December of 18 and February of 20, which is, that's, you know, 15 months. He fought four times. Yeah. And then if that's three years off after that, right? And the next one's a year and a half off.

And the one before that was a year and half off. And so it's like, you know, you just see this resume and it is absolutely one of the best ever. But then it's like, man, he's got to feel some remorse about, you know, missing so much time. You know, because he does talk, he talks about legacy probably more than just about anybody. So he's one of the best, right? But like, think about this, right? And Luis just kind of made this point because we've spoken about it a little bit.

When John, when I fought John, I was 36 years old. He was 28. Then we fought again, and I was 38. He was 30, right? When he fought Steepa, even now, he's 37. Steve-Base 41. All those guys were older guys, right? I just feel, Ben, like it's a little different.

So when you walked out to the mat against Tyrone Lewis, right? out of college. You're a 22-year-old kid, fresh face, not worried about it. You're making me relive the glory days. I appreciate you so much. But Ben, think about this, though, Ben. Yeah. When you walked out there against Jordan Burroughs

and you saw a younger athlete, like, I was dumb. I don't know why I did that. What I'm just saying, though, you're kind of going, oh, it might be a little bit different, right? Especially when he's good. Yes. John now is a 38-year-old man looking at a 30-year-old man.

That's bigger. That's younger. That's fresher and going, it's flipped. I don't see the wear and tear on their face anymore on his face. I see the wear and tear on mine, right? He saw it Steepa, right?

Stepey looks older. He looks like, you know, he just looked older from all that time away. Now he's looking down at a young man and it's like, he's not scared. Make no mistake about it. But I think it's enough to like question it.

And you know what I think a big worry might be for him? Because with Aspinall, he could potentially get knocked out like legitimately knocked out and put on his back in out cold and I just don't know that he wants to have that visual of him in the world yeah

yeah I mean that's uh yeah that's probably probably nailed it around the head right there you did like because I mean he's knocked out a lot of guys and he's never had because I've seen myself get beat and I'm like God that's such a horrible visual every time Yeah I had to happen one time I know

I said to see it a few times It sucks But so what do you think happens As we wrap Oh God I think it drag My guess my guess would be It drags on for a while longer

Which I'm not in favor of Do you think they strip him? I think they let him walk on his own But I think he drags it on And I don't really know what you know I said I love To pour some truth to him and talk to him I'm like, I don't know what his motivation is in dragging it on.

It seems counterproductive to everybody involved. Rather than just saying, hey, man, I'm done. I had a great career. I'm the best. Like, I'm out of here, peace. I'm going to go live my life. So I bet he drags it on. He vacates and then Tom Aspinall moves on.

And I would think, based on the heavily picture, Tom Aspinall is going to have a relatively successful, you know, crazy things happen. But I wouldn't be surprised as if Tom Aspinall win, I don't know, three to five in a row more, something like that. Yeah. So my old thing is this, and then I'll let you go on this. I don't know that he vacates without fighting him because I think the visual.

Really? I think the lasting thought would be that he ran from him. And I don't know that his ego could handle that he ran from someone. I think that the idea that people would think that he is afraid means more to him than going out there and fighting him and taking the chance, especially when there's a real possibility. He just outclassed Tom Ashman. Like there's a real possibility That he goes out there

And he just outclass this time as well You don't know Right so I think that he'll fight him I don't think they'll need to strip him I think he'll fight him And even though you're right You can walk away and go I'm the best I don't need to do anything else

That that idea that you ran Is gonna be too strong of a pull for him As he goes into the next phase of his career And I think he's gonna fight him Yeah I love it All right Ben Wahey Have fun at the Bitcoin convention guys I'm having so much fun.

Are you coming to Vegas? I'm doing there just today for like three hours. I go, we're doing an ultimate fighter, a panel and a premier party. And I'm once I'm done. Don't you have a, um, isn't there a fight coming up soon? Saturday. There's a fight Saturday. So I'm working this week.

But are you in town this weekend? I'm leaving Friday night. Oh, well, let's say I give you some things to the apex. Have you ever been? I have been to a fight in the apex. Unfortunately, Rick is I'm lost. Very quiet. Almost strange, it almost felt like a little bit of inner squad dual meat, you know, where.

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