The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Daniel Cormier TV - Daniel Cormier CLAPS BACK at Jon Jones CALLOUT: "Go Fight Tom Aspinall"

Episode Date: May 17, 2025

In the latest episode of DCTV, Daniel Cormier RESPONDS to Jon Jones calling him out, with UFC legend Jones saying he'd beat DC WORSE at heavyweight than he did at light heavyweight. Cormier breaks down Jon's public callout and GOES IN ON why he should be more focused on defending his UFC heavyweight championship against Tom Aspinall. DC also discusses people calling Islam Makhachev "afraid" of Ilia Topuria, Ilia's fight vs. Charles Oliveira, and so much more! #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What's up guys? Hey, I'm glad to be back in California. It's late at night. But as always, we work it. And today's episode is brought to you by Total Wireless, the official wireless provider of UFC. They're in your corner with unlimited 5G data that won't slow you down. So I've been on this grind.

Like, I was in New York. We did a two-day media tour, Chill and I. We talked all things fighting. But the thing that keeps coming up, it came up on the SPAN, and it came up last week was John was talking about how he would have beaten me worse at heavyweight. I don't have his exact quote as to what he said about the fight being more competitive or something back in the day when I was still actively fighting. He was talking about I'm not looking to give anyone advantages. But I'm 46 years old now.

It's easier to start talking about, well, I would have did this, this. And the other one, there's nothing that can be done about it. I'm not fighting anymore. I'm not a fighter. And hell, you won two fights. I don't know what the point to prove is by talking about what goes on between you and I. We have seen this story. We've had good fights.

It was a great rivalry. I enjoyed it. It made me a boatload of money. It was good. But that was seven years ago. Eight years ago was the last time we fought. Eight years ago. You guys all know our history.

Right. I ain't got to walk that back. for you, how I feel about what he did, how he feels about what I did. I don't have to walk all that back for you, right? I don't know if John didn't got asked a question. I don't know if he just randomly brought it up. I thought that lately we had been able to operate around each other better than we had without going into our instances and fighting and all that.

But I've got a thing like I saw the other day, Jones was talking about how can people say that I'm ducking when I'm out here living my absolute best life. I don't know that that is like the same thing. You can live a great life and not be fighting somebody, whatever. But in talking about what you would have done to me seven years ago, five years ago when I retired.

How about this? I've got a novel idea for you. I'm retired. I'm done. I'm 46. I'm washed up. I'm a broadcaster. I'm a commentator.

I am a talking head. How about this novel idea? Fight the dude that's actually wanting to fight. I don't want to fight John Jones. I have no desire to fight anyone. There could be a 25-pounder called me, out through fighting and I'd be like, eh, I don't really feel like doing that anymore. Those days are behind me.

But how about fight the dude that's actually waiting to fight you? Tom Aspinall, right? Right? It's not about what may have happened back then. We want to know, as the consumer, what's going to happen today? What's going to happen today? If John Jones fights, Tom Aspinall, what I just said in the first two minutes of this video because it's all I'm going to talk about myself.

I am telling you right now, I have no desire to fight this man. Am I afraid of this man? Absolutely not. But I ain't going to, I'm not here to fight no more. I'm a broadcaster. But there's a guy that's waiting.

There's a guy that's up to his neck in frustrations because he's been waiting for so long. And now you're out in Thailand doing a reality show. That's going to take another month. We don't know when the fight's happening. Dana is getting bombarded with questions the other day on his life. When are we getting that? When are we getting that?

He's still trying to find ways to tell people, calm down. It's coming. We want to know when's the fight with the guy that actually wants to fight you. Doesn't need to be a hypothetical. You guys can actually answer the question asked who's better between you and Tom. I was the heavyweight champ in 2018, 19. You're the heavyweight champ today. and there's another heavyweight champ that wants to fight.

Do that. And for everybody going, he's ducking. I didn't think that his video saying, I'm living my best life equates to him not ducking. But I will tell you this, don't be so quick to judge and think that Tom Aspinall is just going to beat John Jones. Don't think that, oh, D.C. wants to see Tom Apatel

fight Jones because Jones is going to lose. I don't believe that. I don't believe that Tom Aspenal is just going to beat John Jones. I fought John Jones. I know how good that man is. I know how tough that man is. I know how hard it is to beat that man. Or at least attempt to beat that man.

He's going through the best this sport has ever had to offer. I just don't know that he's going through anyone like Aspinall because Aspinall's so big and young. When I was fighting Jones, I was 36 and 38 years old. He was 28. The first time, he was 30 to the second time. Rose is reversed now. Aspinall is the young guy.

He's the older guy. and that might be his only hesitancy. If I had to guess, I don't think for a second, John Jones is afraid of Tom Aspinall. The one thing John Jones has avoided that none of us else, none of us, none of the other of us have, is that visual of him getting finished.

Khabi John Jones, even the great Islam Akashiv, got knocked out before. There's a visual of him getting knocked out. Jones has been able to avoid that. for a very, very long time. Over the course of three generations of fighters, but there just might be a guy right now that seems to worry him a little bit more than most.

But is he scared? Absolutely not. Absolutely not a scared. Is he worried about Tom Aspenall? Absolutely. I do believe that he recognizes that at his age, with the life that he's lived, all the hard fights,

there could be potential for this guy to truly be a problem. Maybe that's the hesitancy. but fear, no, nobody fears. So when I start seeing people saying Islam ran from Ilya, that's not true because nobody's afraid in this thing. Once you commit yourself to being a mixed martial artist, once you decide you want to be a world champion and you work towards that,

if you are lucky enough to accomplish that, if you are lucky enough to accomplish that, and not many people are, you're not afraid of anyone. Sometimes the goals may be, bigger than what everybody else can see. And I believe that's what's happening with Islam. I really did believe that he was keeping his belt after what I heard him say,

after what I heard Dana say. But obviously they change that. And Ilya versus Charles down for the belt, that's the right fight. That's the right fight. The only guy that could have a claim to that is Armand Saurukyam. Outside of that, these are the two guys that should be fighting for that type. Ilya versus Dubrachs, and it's going to be explosive. But fear?

No, Charles isn't scared. Islam isn't scared. Ilya is not scared. Nobody's scared in this fight game. So as consumers, as fans, as people that love this thing, we've got to be a little bit more cautious with some of the things we say to fighters, and people wonder why fighters go crazy on them right now. It's because of stuff like that.

So, no, John Jones is. He isn't scared of Tom Aspinall. That's absurd. Is he concerned that this one may be a lot tougher than most? Absolutely. I think he recognizes that this challenge might be a little bigger. But for the record, hey, like I said, I'm done. Fight him.

I don't want to fight. I don't want to fight. Fight him. We had our experiences. Fight that, dude. Islam versus Jack is going to be sick. Ilya versus Charles is going to be sick. Dustin versus Max is going to be sick.

Like we have so many great fights on the docket right now for the UFC that is just an exciting time to be a mixed martial arts fans. So instead of like us, you know, bemoaning, not getting Ilya versus Islam, how about we celebrate getting Islam versus Jack? And we celebrate Ilya versus Charles and all these other great fights that we have. It's an amazing time to be a UFC fan. Hey guys, thank you guys again for tapping in everything I do. I'm going to be giving you guys behind the scenes everything

as we get ready for all these big fights coming up. And hey, in Newark, when I go, I'm going to be at Total Wireless for a meet and greet with the fans. That should be fun. So make sure you stay on the lookout for all the details when it comes to that. Until next time, guys. Like, subscribe, and tell you, friends, D's got a YouTube channel. And I'm doing stuff like this.

But hey, go fight him. How about that? Just fight the guy that wants to fight you. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick.

And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions.

Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it. but, you know, tired and sick, tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends.

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for no nonsense breakdowns of the biggest matches, the toughest players, and the moments that define Roland Garris. Gentry win. She's an outsider to win the French friend. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lennar Rabakina is arguably the best player in the world right now and I actually can win on any surface. Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio app,

Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's superhuman documentation. at all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year.

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