The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Daniel Cormier TV - Daniel Cormier is ADAMANT: Strickland SHOULD NOT rematch Adesanya

Episode Date: September 14, 2023

The wait is OVER because Ben Askren and Daniel Cormier are BACK with a new, fresh edition of Funky and the Champ! After Sean Strickland's historic upset of Israel Adesanya at UFC 293, Askren and DC give their freshest takes on what's next for Izzy and who Strickland should fight next. And with Paulo Costa and Khamzat Chimaev fighting for what many believe is a title fight against Sean, check out why Funky Ben thinks Dricus Du Plessis is GONE from the conversation! Plus, don't miss DC put Ben Askren on blast in this episode! #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You guys are going to be lifetime enemies because of the shit you say. The moment you get a microphone one on your face. Bro, you're crazy. Dude, I just finished breakfast. What about you? Did you have breakfast? I went on a little breakfast day with my wife. So my youngest, Ozzy, is in kindergarten,

so all the kids are at the house. So me and my wife get a little more time together now. Well, she went, you take into the breakfast because that at one time you made that statement online. That's why. You got back on that one. You still trying to come back from that. This dude takes him ever to come back from that.

If I want to come back from that. We're doing great. We're doing great. First off, before we get to why we're here, I know I just wanted to say I feel for you. Guys, this weekend, I'm traveling all around the world. I get a text message from Ben Ascran, and he goes, can you believe our basketball team got fourth?

And I was blown away. I couldn't believe Ben was so hurt. What are you talking about? Basketball team getting fourth at the World Cup. Ben, I know you love basketball. ball. I know you feel bad for the boys, but it's okay. We will be fine. Daniel, don't maybe start telling a story about how in the Olympics you were so shy. You're like, hey, Ben, can you ask, can you ask Jason Kiddup if we get a picture together?

I don't know that dude, but I'll go ask him. And you did. And I got my picture. Ben, UFC 293 was last weekend, dog. I know it's Wednesday. A lot has been made about Sean Strickland. the biggest upset of all time. But what did you make of Saturday night and all the things that went into it and the kickback from it? Well, I don't think this one tops Holly Holme over Ronda Rousey is the biggest upset of all time.

And I think from a betting standpoint, that pencil is also. Also on Australia, I would look foolish, which happens sometimes, because I said, I don't see how Sean Strickland is going to win. Because I thought Sean Strickland was going to do what Sean Strickland did, which is try to walk him down and box him up. And I thought there's no way he's going to do that for 25 minutes without getting clipped because Izzy's got a lot of weapons. So the fact that he was able to do it for 25 minutes straight and not get clipped was so impressive.

Nothing hit him. Nothing. He really did. I'll class at Assange, you right? He really did. It was so impressive because, you know, Izzy's tricky. He's fast. He's got a lot of tools.

And Strickland shut everything down. Dude, Edisanya is a guy that has tremendous counterstriking, and none of it worked against Sean Strickland. Here's my question for you, though. We have talked about this fight time and time again, and I've done it on a number of different platforms. But my thought was, what did you make of Edna Sanya at the post-fight press conference

where he says he's leaving? He's going to go talk to the people that matter with him, and then have Eugene Berman do the press conference, and Eugene Berman was almost bullied. in regards to they want a rematch, they want it tomorrow. Izzy didn't seem to be as pressing on that. Izzy just seemed to want to get out of there. Yeah.

You know what I don't know to make of that because out of sonny is a guy who's avenged, you know, he avenged his prayer loss. So it's not like it's nothing he's ever done before. So he can go do it. I don't know that, and I don't Dana said he'll get a rematch with Dana, you know, Dana sometimes changes. his mind from what he says during the

fight press conference. But I think Chimaya versus Costa should be the number one contender. So what happened to Dracus? What happened to Drakeus? What happened to Drake is Duplice? He was the man. He disappeared. He's in South Africa.

So it's over now. So who, so, so, so you're telling me that Drake is Duplice by not fighting just completely fucked himself. Like now he's out. That's what happened. Yes, we forget about people when they do that. So if they gave it to him, I wouldn't hate it. It would be the

worst thing ever. But I think Kostin Shamaio is going to be a good number one contenders. And man, when you can beat four rounds to one, it's not like he got clipped. Right. If he got clipped in and we got stopped in the first, I would say run it back, right? He got hit one time. It happens. Run it back. But you got beat for 25 minutes. I think you probably need to take a little break and maybe get a tune up and then come back and do it again. You know, when you look at what Sean Strickland did, it was tremendous, right? It was an amazing thing. And then the next day he posts a picture of him, he broke his UFC belt. What's even more crazy is that behind him is 50 AKA guns.

Right? Is that not crazy? If you said, hey, Ben, what does Sean Strickland's apartment look like? That's a pretty good guess. Yeah, I think that's, if you gave me like multiple choice, that this one, this, that one, that one for sure. You would have picked that one for sure off the wall. Like absolutely, that's what it looks like.

But bro, why does Dracus, why does, so was Saturday night more about at Asana and what he didn't do? Or was it more about what Sean Strickland did? Because there's this idea out there in the world right now that everybody thinks it was Izzy didn't fight his fight. Is he didn't fight? well, it seems like people want to almost take away from the accomplishment of Sean Strickland. But when you watched it, is that what you felt?

Was it more? Well, Izzy's not himself or was it more Sean Strickland? I think it's a combination of both of them. Right, it doesn't have to be all the way one or all the way the other. I think Sean Strickland fought a great fight and maybe, and I don't know how Izzy wouldn't have been prepared for that style. Because if you said, Ben, what's he going to do? He's going to try to walk him down and box him.

That's what he's going to try to do. He's saying he had wrestling in camp, but I cannot foresee Sean Strickland wrestling him. That just wasn't, you know, it wasn't in something I thought was going to happen. So I think Strickland executed and maybe Izzy had an off night. I think it could have been a little bit of both. But yes, I think people who don't like Sean Strickland are trying to take credit away from him. And they should be saying people were calling Adasanya one of the greatest strikers in UFC history. And this man didn't try one take down in 25 minutes.

He walked him down for 25 minutes straight. and didn't get hit. Think about that. Ben, in hindsight, is it unfair? And I'm guilty of this. I'm so guilty of this. Is it unfair that we immediately rushed to comparison? Because I started calling Izzy the greatest middleweight of all time. Yeah.

After going into last weekend. Is it unfair to Anderson Silva that people rush to comparison when it comes to the next great guy, just like when Kamarro Usman was the man, people rush to compare him to George St. Pierre's the greatest wealth weight of all time. Are we as MMA fans wrong for doing that? I think that's what all fans like to do. I mean, I see it in wrestling also, right?

So I think that's just something fans like to do when one person's on top. You say, well, how did this rain compare with this rain? And MMA fans, it's this thing. You know, MMA's still gaining a lot of steam. So you're getting a whole bunch of new fans who, they weren't fans when Erison was doing Anderson's thing. and unfortunately for Anderson,

and this gets countered against him, which I don't think it should. If you look at his rate, he was the champ for seven years. That's crazy. It's wild. It's like 13 fights. And actually he bumped up to 205 three times,

and it's crazy. All three of the times he bumped up, the guy's pop for some type of steroid. So he went up and beat him all up, even though they were juicing. And then obviously, once he lost it, he definitely took a step down, right? And he lost kind of a handful of times.

And people count that against them. But when you think about Anderson's written, seven years without losing, it's insane. Seven years without losing, even when you're just getting started is hard. Seven years without losing when you're fighting the best in the world is impossible, right? And that's one of those, oh my God, bro, I used your John Jones argument on someone the other day. I was, you know what I was talking to? I was talking to Ari Emanuel. And Ari Emanuel was talking to me about John Jones and how.

He has been able to sustain this run at the top for so long. And I told him what you told me about the time that he's been out. And he's mind blown. His mind was blown at how much time he's actually missed inside the octagon. He was probably calculating the amount of money he lost. He's like, yeah, dude, like he's like, oh shit. I could have had him fight a few more times. But, bro, mind blown.

Yo, I was like, I was yesterday with this dude, like just taking all y'all's fakes. Your takes, Ryan's takes. They were all my takes because they're all new to these guys, right? Yeah. Everything you've ever said, smart, I've used in the conversation with someone else. That was one of them that happened yesterday. Let me say one more smart thing, though. The other thing about Erison Silva's reign that people, you know,

they discount because he lost at the end. But they also, there's this thing like once he beat these dudes up, they kind of were like, eh, that guy wasn't that good anyways. But it's like, when he killed Rich Franklin that first time, people were like, wait, Rich Franklin's the man. Do you remember Chris Leibin? Like Chris Levin was the man. He killed Chris Levin.

He killed Chris Levin. And then he beats up Dan Harrison when Dan Harrison was like a double pride champion, right? Yep. And then he beat up Damian Maya. And they'll, they chill Sonan. And then Vitor, Belfort. But that was when Vitor was like Uber steroid Vitor just freaking. I mean, like, this dude beat up a lot of really good dudes.

Yeah, he did. His resume. should always stand the test of time. But I don't believe that the comparisons came from what Anderson didn't do as much as what Izzy was doing, right? I don't think it was, and plus, like, as time goes on, as you learn in everything, the athletes, the competition, everything gets better. And I think what they were saying was, well,

Edisanya is beating these great guys at a time where MMA as a level has never been higher. Because if you think about Robert Whitaker for a long time, he only lost to Edassania. He'd had the belt for eight years because he's beating everybody else. So it was like, I think it was more that opposed to what Anderson didn't do to make people think a certain way. Do you think that, do you think Dracus, because I was talking to someone very close to him, and they were of the belief that, and this is one of the people that thought that it was more about what Edisania you didn't do. They were of the belief that Drake's Duplice would have beaten.

Is he on that night? Of course they're going to say that. Because no, I'm saying because you think, no, because they think that he didn't fight great. But they, but they say he didn't fight great. You know, even Dana. Sure. Dana went up there and said immediately, he goes, he looks slow. He looks flat.

He didn't look like himself. He said that at the polls fight presser. Yeah. I mean, you know, the other thing, I, yeah, I mean, so yes, I, I drink is this guy of course they're going to say that um and you know the other thing maybe we're discounting and i mean this would go in with what strickland was able to do but when someone puts that much pressure on you it is wearing like just think about wrestling the same thing if you're able to put pressure on someone you become less effective so when they say you know is he was less

effect well maybe it was due to the fact that strickland put so much pressure on him and by the time he was 10 minutes into the fight he was moving constantly i mean if you watch the fight he was constantly moving. It was running constantly. Yes, constantly. And that's exhausting. And so maybe we're, you know, Dana and others are also discounting that fact that's like, dude, when you make someone work that hard, yeah, they're going to be less effective.

It's fucking exhausting. But I got to be honest, bro, like for me, it's almost, it's hard to watch because I do believe that it was Sean Strickland. I don't think it was as much as he wasn't himself as it was Sean Strickland. And his ability, to make him fight a fight that he is completely uncomfortable with. Like there was no part of Edassanya that was comfortable in that situation.

Now, Edisonia is a guy that will take motivation from people doubting him. We are not doubting him, you and I. We are just saying that on that night he fought a better guy. But I tell you, it will serve as motivation for him because that's what he does, right? Some of these guys love to have the ability to go back and go,

you doubted me. I'm going to prove you wrong. And I think that will serve him well down the line, but down the line. I do not believe that he should start fighting right back trying to prove that he needs to get back in there and win the championship. Because for as bullish as his coach was, and Eugene Berman is a phenomenal coach. Yep. I don't think that Izzy should be trying to get back in there right now. I think he needs a little bit of time to rest.

And I think Sean Strickland moves on to something next. And Sean Strickland, dude, he's just as busy. Right? That's something that's lost in the Zerg. A couple months ago. Yeah, he's just as busy as Israel and Asana and got this fight on about two months notice maybe, right? So it's not like he knew for a long time that he was fighting Israel to Sanja.

Yeah. Let me ask you this question. The style that Strickland employs is unique, right, because he's more upright. It's kind of funny because he's really upright, but he does pretty much just boxing, like minimal kicking, you know. And you know what the calf kick in the beginning, it was unique. No one was doing it, you know. And that was part of the reason why I was effective, but it also kind of worked too. And then once people saw it worked, everyone's doing it.

Do you think other people will employ this more upright Sean Strickland style? I think I do. I do. I think more people are going to use it. It was really effective in checking the kicks. I mean, that was one thing. Very effective. You know, because if Sean Struggling gets kicked 10 times, that's quite different, right?

but because he was so effectively defending all the kicks, he never took that damage and he was able to just keep marching him down because you think someone marching you down. You know a great example of this would be Diaz McGregor, too. Yes, the first one, Diaz walked him down. McGregor got exhausted. The second one, Nate could barely walk because Connor kicked him so many. Connor kicked him so much.

But Izzy couldn't get anything going on, Sean, because Sean never let off the pressure. Guys, the GameTime app is the worldwide leader. and last minute ticket purchases. So no matter what you're trying to do, NFL, NBA, UFC, comedy shows, concerts, use the GameTime app to save money. And if that's not enough,

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For Drake is Duplessi, right? Sometimes you got to take your shot when it's your chance. Because like you said, you forgot about him, bro. It's amazing that when I left that arena on Saturday night, I wasn't even thinking about Dracus anymore because now I had pivoted. And now I was thinking, oh my goodness, if Hamzaa Chamaia fights amazing and beats Paul O'Costa, that dude's going to get a title shot.

For sure. That's what happens. This is what happens in fighting. And this is why you got a strike when the iron's hot Because sometimes it's just about taking that opportunity And I don't know what's up with Dracus I don't know why he didn't take the opportunity But now he's probably thinking like damn

I wish I was saying Saturday night He's like I fuck myself And the reality is this Him and Izzy have such a bad rivalry They may try to make him fight and not for the belt Oh that'd be kind of fun let's do that What three rounds? Yeah let's do it

Dude, you're crazy. Main event. Hey, lastly, speaking of Hamzaa Chamaa, Sean Strickland trained with Hamzat Chimaya a while ago. And after the training session, Sean said,

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Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Well, I don't know. So there's a lot you can read into that. right you can read into that like well hamzat was trying to destroy everybody in the gym and Sean's like okay dude we get it you're the best don't hurt nobody in training yeah or it's like sean training with them and recognizing and realizing like holy shit this dude is next level yeah you know what do you what do you make of that uh yeah i mean honestly if i probably want to listen

to the strong shooklin talk a little more about it so i could see exactly what he meant um because I don't know, you, well, you lived in a gym forever, like me too. Every once in a while you get one of those dudes that tries to go with the lower level people and they just try to smash them. It's like, that's not cool. That's not cool. Well, Sean Strickland be smashing lower level dudes. They got 50 of him knocking people out.

Oh, my God. That was so bad. Oh, that was bad. You're right. So, yeah, so I guess if Sean Strickland's giving this advice, that's probably not good. Dude. But then also sometimes you have guys that are just really good in practice. Like Tyrone Lewis was the greatest practice wrestler I've ever wrestled.

And then you just kind of beat him. Did he ever beat you? No, I was 5'0. Jesus Christ. That's so crazy because if you guys practiced together, he would have texted you. Come on. Dude, I'm telling you. I'll go practice right now.

It was that much of a difference in regards to Tyrone a competition. So he would just show people in practice. It was crazy. Pendleton couldn't go within seven points of him. in the practice room. Stop. Seven. I'm serious.

You're in Belize. I'm promising you he could not wrestle him in the practice room. Some guys are just like that. But my thing is when Hamzad sees this, I wonder if that's going to be one of those moments looking back where Sean Strickland goes, fuck, man, I shouldn't have said anything, right? Because now it's out there where Hamzad goes,

if I can beat Paul O'Costa, I'm definitely wanting to fight Sean Strickland because I know he holds me in such high regard. Yeah, but I mean, Chayev's right there where one more win, he should be getting a title shot. And, you know, sometimes it's a timing thing. Sometimes you got to take your shot when you get it. Like we're talking about, Dracus. But Chamea's right there where, you know, he's within probably one win of a title shot, tops.

But what if that Paulo Costa that showed up to fight, Y'all Romero shows up? Oh, he might be in trouble with it because that dude that fought, your old Romero. And even the Rockhold fight, Coastal looked good. even the rock well until he got tired but that was in Utah that was they both got tired though because they fall hard this is some people did if you fight hard you get tired that's just what happens like if you go hard you get tired those dudes went hard they went so hard they did go hard they didn't like each other and they didn't try to hold back uh their emotions and in fighting you just got to get a little less tired than the other guy and then you're golden bro that's why

like at heavyweight and me and like me and kane did that we used our cardio as our biggest weapon. We knew that they would get more tired than us, so we just went harder than them. And then guys would get tired. Like it was the craziest thing in the world. So, man, bro.

Hey, enjoy that extra time you get to spend with your wife. Take her on dates. Keep apologizing, bro. Keep apologizing for me. I'm not apologizing. I never had to apologize. Bro, keep apologizing for disrespecting that beautiful lady. Amy. Hey, until next time, my brother,

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