The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Daniel Cormier TV - Daniel Cormier says Jon Jones needs to be STRIPPED OF UFC BELT after saying he doesn't want to fight

Episode Date: June 20, 2025

Jon Jones has officially come out and said he DOES NOT want a fight with Tom Aspinall, and Daniel Cormier is here to react to the big news and what means for the future of the UFC's heavyweight division. DC says Jon should BE STRIPPED of his UFC TITLE because of that statement, and the sport should move on with Aspinall fighting for the heavyweight championship. And Cormier says that the timing isn't favorable for Jon, and doubles down on him fearing getting knocked out cold, but not being afraid of Tom himself. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Rome yesterday and Jim Rome asked him directly, how long are you planning the wait? Dana said, we're probably going to have something in two weeks. That's a number that defined, which is something we didn't have before before, was very soon. He said in about two weeks, we'll have something for you. Well, we didn't even have to wait two weeks because John Jones spoke first. John Jones was on a podcast the other day, and I'm taking this from MMA junkie, where he was sitting with a guy and they were talking about where he's fought before, asked him if he ever fought in Canada or all this other stuff.

And the guy asked him, what's next? You know, what's next as the champion? And John had some very interesting things to say. He said, I don't want to say that I'm retired because, let me pull this up in Luis's text messages. He sent me a picture. I don't want to say that I'm retired because, geez, look at this stupid as. Okay. He's actually talking to Folson MMA.

Okay, first off, here we go. I don't want to say that I'm retired because fighting is in my blood. Right now I could really care less about fighting. I've been doing it my whole life at a very high level. And when the it comes back, if it comes back, then I'll do it with my whole heart. Let's break that down first. Let's break that down first. John Jones has been fighting at a super high level.

And for that, we have commended him on many occasions about how he has been able to not only fight in one era, of mixed martial arts. This dude has literally been able to navigate his way through three different eras of mixed martial arts. I'm talking. The first era become the champion when he fought Shogun and he fought Machita and he fought against Vitor. Those guys were all hanging around that belt,

Rampage, Forrest. They were kind of playing hot potato with the belt. John then comes in, beats Shogun, dominant fashion, controls that era, brings stability to the belt. Once that is done, Rashad Evans, who was once a mentor to him, is a bit of that new era of guy in terms of a champion.

Old end of that era into the new. He beats Rashad Evans. Then he beats Alexander Gustafin, who belongs to the new era. And then he beats me, who belongs to the new era. He's in that era of guy, and he's navigating his way through that. Then John Jones goes and beats Anthony Smith, Tiago Santos.

He beats Dominic Reyes, another era of guy who, honestly, guys, I didn't even know those guys were in my weight class when I was the champion because they were so far off the radar. John was able to stay long enough to not only be there when they were fighting, but to beat them. Three eras of mixed martial arts. And do it at a level that was crazy. So you want to give him grace in that sense.

sense because nobody gets to do that. Time catches up with everyone. We have said that time and time again. So you want to give him grace in that respect. But what took so long? What took so long? What took so long for you to tell us, hey, if it comes back, I'll come back. But right now it's not there. What took so long? You will get grace in that regard by not saying something, by waiting to say something, You gave people the idea that you just don't want to fight this guy. Seriously, that you just don't want to fight this guy who represents another era of fighter. So does Cyril Ghan. He beat Steppe Miochich, but come on, guys, we all know Steepi was done at that point.

But I saw some clips recently of Stepe landing on John. I don't even remember him doing anything positive in that fight because he seemed so far behind Jones. But when I saw those clips, he is actually landing. And if he was landing, I'm imagining Tom Aspernel will land. But what you guys can't forget, this guy has a good chin. John Jones beat me when I was at my best. I was never better in my career than that fight in Anaheim. I was never better, a mixed martial artist, whether I beat Steepa,

whether I beat Derek Lewis and Dan Henderson, all those guys. I was never better than that night he beat me in Anaheim. And he beat me. that's where my idea that he isn't afraid of Tom Aspinall comes from because if he could beat me then I feel like he could beat anyone in mixed martial arts but by by taking so long he's now giving you the idea well he's afraid so then he goes on to speak about Aspinall more and he says Aspinall is not in a position to excite me it's the truth because if I whip his ass

it's going to be the next guy there's going to be a whole new fan base of somebody that everybody believes in. That might have worked before. That's not working this time. That's where Jones loses me. That's where Jones loses. I get it that he's seen the great hope of someone that's going to beat him in the past. There's never been someone like this. Now, I just told you I was never better than that fight, Nanheim, and he beat me. Let me tell you why it's never been someone like Aspinall because of the way the roles have changed. If this was John Jones at 28 years old, no worry for him. And Aspinall would not be the biggest threat to him.

The reason Aspinall is the biggest threat to him today is because he's 38 years old. Because he's lived the life of excess, of excess, partying, living, doing all those things that back in the day got him in the truck. Sure, we have not seen him doing those things yet. I mean, obviously he still has a good time. I don't know if it's to the extent that he did before. But Aspinall is the biggest threat today because the roles have reversed. At 28 years old, John would have seen Tom a million times over and fought him already.

But John at 38 recognizes that this dude's a little better. He's not afraid, like I told you guys a long time ago. It just doesn't want to get knocked out. He doesn't want that John Jones prefers to let his legacy stay as is with the caveat that he didn't fight Tom Aspinall and run the risk of fighting

Tom Aspinall and getting beat by Tom Aspinall. That's where the difference lies. That's where the difference lies. The difference lies in him knowing that he is a tad bit slower. We can all see it. We have eyes. He's a tad slower.

It happens when you start at 19 and at 21 become the World Cheney. champion, you've been in the world champion for 17 years. Of course. You're going to miss a step. But you know who hasn't? It's Tom. And that's where the dangers lie. That's where the worry comes from.

So that's why we're seeing a man say, this guy doesn't really excite me. When in reality, it's exciting, but it's also very scary. So he'd prefer to leave that legacy intact knowing in time, everybody forgets, hey, he fought, everybody else because we should not judge him based off one thing. We really shouldn't.

But for a long time, people asked for him to go up to fight a heavyweight against guys like Kane Velasquez, Steepa in his prime. And he was very hesitant about doing that. He fought Steepa at 41. No problem. He fought Cyril Gan, who's at limited.

No problem. Now he's got a guy in front of him that is very dangerous, very hungry, and he's kind of going, I don't really want to do this. But guys, guess what? maybe it's just over. Sometimes you just know it's over. Chale and I discussed this a while ago. Sometimes it's just over.

And when you know you walk away, unfortunately, he waited so long that it's going to look like it looks. So right now it's time to strip him. Strip him. It's time to strip him. He was talking to Fulson, M.A. He was talking to Kyle from the milk boys,

and he said this. He's just not in a position. He's not in a position to, like, excite me. It's just the truth. It's going to be the next guy. There's going to be a whole new fan base of somebody who everybody believes in. I've done this my whole adult life.

There it is. Him talking to Kyle, that's the actual clip of him talking about Tom Aspinall and saying how Tom needs him. And he's telling the truth. You know, he's telling the truth. No matter how great Tom Aspinall is, he needs that fight. He needs that fight to go over.

It's a tale of his oldest time in all of sports, All of wrestling, all of everything. When the Lakers became the best, and Magic Johnson took over from Larry Bird, he had to go through Larry Bird. When Michael Jordan became the world champion, he had to go through Magic Johnson. You feel the era switch.

John Jones will, if he doesn't, fight Tom Aspinall, stop that from happening. But ultimately, it's time to strip him. He doesn't want to fight this guy. If he ain't going, it does not sound like he's going to fight. It's time to take the belt. It's time to move on and hope. that itchy speaks about comes back.

And if it does, stick him in there with Tom Aspinall, give him no other choice. I got to be honest with you. I would make him fight Tom even if Tom wasn't the champion because I think that's the fight that matters. Tom Aspinall is ready. Tom's going to go fight someone else. That dude was pissed that he has not been booked.

But we're going to see what happens. But guys, finally, today we got some answers that John Jones says he's pretty much done. I don't want to say I'm retired, but is really all you need to hear. I could have did that in a minute. I did it in 11. It's all you got to hear. I don't want to say I'm retired, but it's done.

He's done. It's time for us to let it go. Let's let it move on. I won't make a video about John Jones for the next couple weeks now because there will be no news. Right now he's been the news. Until next time, guys, like, subscribe, tell you friends I got a YouTube channel,

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