The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Daniel Cormier TV - DC CALLS FOR Ilia Topuria vs. Arman Tsarukyan NEXT, DEFENDS Topuria

Episode Date: August 2, 2025

Daniel Cormier IS BACK with another Instant Reaction, this time to the UFC and MMA's debate on whether Arman Tsarukyan, Justin Gaethje, or Paddy Pimblett should be next for the champion Ilia Topuria. DC breaks down each of the three contenders, and GOES IN ON why Arman Tsarukyan SHOULD be the next fight for "El Matador." Plus, Cormier talks about the prospect of Topuria vs. Islam Makhachev, and why that is arguably the biggest fight there is to make in the UFC. And don't miss DC defend Topuria's decision to not want to fight Arman. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Today, I'm here to discuss something that we disagree on. I have a hard time. I have a hard time when we as professional fighters, and I did it with John Jones. I never, I kind of did it, but I never said he was scared. I said that if he didn't fight Tom Aspernel, he quit.

Didn't say he was scared because I don't believe he was scared. I have a difficult time when fighters or ex-fighters say that someone is ducking or afraid of another, fighter. I believe that there are reasons why people don't do stuff. Do we always have to agree with them? No, but I don't know if I can agree with the fear being a reason. So the other day, Mike and Paul are discussing Ilya and the Armand Serookian situation. Armand says he's scared, but that's what he's supposed to do. Armand's the guy that gets to fight him if they do fight. He's got that chicken run in and all

that said he's ducking. I get it. it. That's all part of the game. But when Mike and Paul are discussing it, and I love how forward they are with it, they're not hiding it. In other words, they're just saying what they feel. But this is what they said. Mike goes, is Ilya pulling a John Jones? Because Armand Syruke is a real threat to anybody's tremendous. I know a lot of people discredit him because he pulled out on the last fight at the last minute and rightfully so. However, and this is a big one, he's really, really good. And it's simple as that. He's got great wrestling, cardio, strength.

He's young. He's in his prime. He's an absolute monster. Ilya said, if the UFC made him fight Armine, that would be a problem. I didn't get the rest of the quote. This is Bisbing.

Said that obviously he's a threat to anyone, right? So then Paul gets in there, a guy from the weight class that understands, right? got to fight whoever's put in front of you. I understand that. But Paul goes, the guys in the one contender. And to say that you would rather relinquish the belt than fight him, come on, man, we're getting a little carried away. We've talked about this before where the guys in this generation of fighters, when they get to the top position, they're willing to jump around weight classes and try to deny fighting guys. It's like, that's not how it fucking works.

If the guy's no one contender, the UFC says, this is the guy, you're the champ, you're holding that belt, that's who you fight. If you're the best, and he's not on your level and all this kind of stuff, then prove it. Just go out there and prove it. I hate that. And I'm not saying that I think he doesn't think he can beat him, but I hate it. I was like, come on, man, here we go. Here we go again.

Now you've got a champion who's just looking for the biggest thing. The UFC is not going to try to put you in a position. That's not going to be a big thing. So Paul's frustrated that Ilya is not wanting to fight, uh, Armand Sarukyan. And I get the frustration from that side, but we also need to understand or at least try to understand what's the reasoning. So I've been on the opposite side of what Toporia is perceiving is going to happen.

After seeing what happened with him in Islam in Los Angeles. Well, something's not in the last minute. It gives you reservations. But Armand Sarukin has made the walk every other time. They are right to a degree. They're right to a degree. Fight the guy. But the only reason Toporia is even thinking of not fighting him

is because he has other options. That's why Armand made a little bit of a mistake in missing that championship opportunity. So all the blame can be cast on the Tuporia side because he has reason. I love Armand. I think he's the man. I think he is the just number one contender,

and I think he should have the opportunity to fight for the belt. He has earned that. He has earned that by winning. He has earned that more than Patty has at this point. He has earned that more than Justin has at this point. And I'm speaking of a guy in Justin Gage, who's one of my best friends.

He's earned that, though. He's earned the opportunity. But you have to look at the other. side when I was fighting with Jones I was unreliable at times I pulled out of a fight him and I had the issues where he had to pull out of fights it's not it's not um easy to go back down that path but what we had was the need for each other we needed each other because we knew the biggest fights were together so we just kept going on that path the poor he has options I don't know if he feels like it's that much of a difference in what he sells between Patty,

Ilya, or Justin. So when he's looking at these options, he's going, well, Patty has the following. So I get it. Patty was the guy inside the octagon. So I get it. I get it. But I also get that reservation to go back down that path seeing, even though it wasn't against you, what happened in Los Angeles.

24 hours notice someone that had to fight, Islam Makachachev. The only person I just believe that Ilya would, without a doubt, fight because then it would be much bigger is Islam. It doesn't matter what Islam does outside of a fight with him. When that fight will be brought to the table, he'll always go back and revisit that because that's the biggest fight that he could get in a fight between him and Islam is much bigger than the fight between him and any of those other guys.

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But I also know that in the UFC, when something is warning, and if it's wanted very bad, they will make it happen. It will happen. Ilya to pour you, Armand Srukian. And also, the visual of Patty in the octagon is something you cannot erase. You can't erase it.

It's a moment. So I would have loved the UFC to pan to Armand and pan to Justin after Patty was in there. Because then you keep them front of mind also but because it ended with Ili and Patty arguing in the octagon and then we go to something else that's the lasting memory of the 155 pound division it's hard to to go backwards and erase something so guys Michael Paul I understand the frustration but Mike you are on the championship side you know you know when you were getting ready to fight Dan Henderson and you wanted some get back on him so you fought him

But if there was a bigger fight for you, George St. Pierre, for that matter, you took it. Even though Y'all Romero, at the time, Mike, was probably the more justified number one contender. The bigger fight was GSP, and you took it. So I get it. I get the frustration. But think about the champion's side, too,

because Ilya's job to not only defend the belt, but also make sure that when he makes weight and he does all that, he gets to defend the belt. I'm not saying Armand Serukians is going. guy that constantly fucks up and that doesn't get to the scale or get to the fight. It happened one time. He should not be judged solely on that one time, especially after making,

wait and getting ready to fight as a backup fighter in the last fight. I'm just trying to give a little grace to the other side in regards to why that may be happening. At the end of the day, I agree with y'all. It should be Armand versus Ili, and I don't think there's any question about that. But I think the problem with it is that lasting memory of him and Patty Pimlet inside the octagon after the belt. It's going to be hard to erase, man. So get it, boys.

Frustrated, sure. Mike, don't act like you ain't sat in his position before, Michael. You know exactly why he's doing that because you did it yourself when you had a chance to fight GSP instead of Yole Romero. So it is what it is. Guys, really quick before we go. Hey, oh, yeah, Dan Hooker actually said something too. He goes, all those big name guys have a good excuse not to fight Armand. It's always the fight I want it, not because he's a prick and I hate him.

Dan Hooker's awesome, by the way, but because I genuinely think he's the hardest fight. And all those big name guys don't want to fight him because I think he's the best, they think, and I think he's the best at winning fights. Not necessarily the most dangerous fighter. I think he's the best at winning fights. So a lot of these guys have a justifiable reason to avoid fighting. Dan Hooker is, again, almost repeating what they're saying, but he's an active competitor in their division.

And Dan's saying, I want it because it's more the fight where the danger lies in. There you go, boys. That's a guy that thinks just like you. But Dan Hooker's an old school fighter. I don't know that we have as many of those anymore. Here's what it is. But Michael Bishbeck. Don't act like you to fight George St. Pierre

because you knew you was about to get them pocketline, boy. You know what you did. All right, guys. Till next time, like, subscribe, and tell you friends about my YouTube channel. I'm constantly bringing you episodes like this. Come on, Ilya. You and Armand, do it for the people.

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