The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Daniel Cormier TV - DC on Islam Makhachev vs. Ilia Topuria SUPERFIGHT, Jon Jones fighting Tom at White House

Episode Date: July 12, 2025

Dana White answered tons of questions for us on the Full Send podcast, and so DC is BACK to give you his reaction to some of the MAJOR HEADLINES stemming from that sit down. White says an Islam Makhachev and Ilia Topuria SUPERFIGHT will go down if Islam can win the welterweight championship against Jack Della Maddalena. Plus, get Daniel Cormier's take on Jon Jones returning from retirement to fight at the White House, and why if he does fight, it "HAS TO BE TOM ASPINALL!" #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm in Nashville. Big fights tomorrow, but Dana White went on full scent and started letting out all kinds of information. So let's talk about it on today's episode. Brought to you by Total Wireless, the official wireless provider of UFC. They're in your corner. limited 5G data that will not slow you down. Hey, Dana White went on full sin yesterday, and I don't know if he was supposed to tell us all that he told us.

We're going to get into all of it. One, he said, uh, illy and Islam could happen the moment Islam becomes waterway champion. He feels there's a super fight to be had. We all kind of agree, but maybe Dana knows something that we don't know. We're going to talk about that. John Jones said he's back in the testing pool, And it was for one reason only that the U.S.C. said that they are President Trump said that he wanted to do a fight at the White House, which is our third topic that Dana White touched on saying something in his quote on Fulson that makes me believe that this is not a thought. This is actually a reality. So first, Islamahadhev and Ilya are circling each other's houses right now, right?

If you're at war, right, these two dudes are on the beach waiting to go forward and it's interesting. Dana White was on full sentence and said, hey, if Islam becomes a lightweight champ, you immediately have a superfight. Ali Abdel Aziz, Islam's manager, was on Henry and Camaro's podcast. What's it called again? These guys, the podcast is called. God, I cannot remember the email. I was on it last week. Pampapal.

Yeah, it's called Pampam Pound. I cannot believe I was drawn to bank like that. Ali Abdel Aziz is on Pampu Pound, and he says that had Balaal lost, Islam was going to fight against Iliuah Tepore. So essentially, all the things we thought leading into the Bala-Mohama'amah, Jack Della-Madalana fight, was exactly what it was going to be.

had he lost, Jack Della Madelena, I mean, we would have gotten Islam versus Iliant to four you. So in that sense, when you hear that from his manager, you feel like it's not as far off as you may think whenever you see those guys kind of not being able to come to terms on that fight. Obviously, we know that there are some big fights in the UFC. I don't know that there's a bigger fight that the UFC can make that's going to be bigger than Tuporia and Makhachev if they are to fight. Guys, Ilya Tafoia is a massive favorite over everyone in the UFC except Islam Ocachev.

And that in itself tells you what people think of Islam because of how highly regarded Ilya is right now, especially after becoming the UFC lightweight champion in the fashion that he did. against Charles Olavera. But Dana said it. Right away, if it's not because Walthaway champ, you have a

superfight. But what becomes of the promise Ilya had to make to the UFC to not move up to Walthwaite if he became the lightweight champion? There are a lot of things moving right now in the UFC, and a lot of it is centered around those two guys, right? You have one guy who defended the belt four times,

has five U.S.C. lightweight title wins, most in history, going up to 170 to try to become a two-division champion. And Islamokachev, you have another guy in Ilya to Pollyta, who beat the two greatest featherweights of all time, moves up to 155, beats one of the best lightweights we have seen of this era in Charles Oliva in one round, and everybody wonders what's happening with him. Patty Pimlin walks into the cage, Armand Sarukia, I'm still there.

Now you hear the boss saying, you have a super fight, and what we know about the U.S. is when there is a super fight, it's hard to turn away from it because not only does it bring the bucks, it brings the eyes. And that's a fight that I think would bring a lot of eyes to the UFC and the product. And I believe it would be a very good fight between two of the best mixed martial arts on planet right now. Ely is one of the greatest on the planet. Islam has proven to be the palpable number one fighter in the world. And that's been the case for a while now. I love hearing stuff like that. I love whenever we get those types of updates from the boss because I love when he's

in a situation where he's super comfortable and he just kind of starts to talk. Because when he just starts to talk, you get stuff like this where he was talking about that. He was talking about the White House. He's talking about John Jones. I mean, he just was giving a lot because he was in a bit of a comfortable environment for him. But first and most importantly to me was the fact that we may not be as far from Tuporia Makachev as we may have believed initially when you hear his manager saying it was the next fight had one other thing happened and the fact that you hear Dana White going. Superfights right on the verge if Islam becomes a walkaway champion. On to John Jones. So John Jones retired a couple weeks ago and so many ran to call.

I said it. I said he quit because he didn't fight Tom Aspinon. And so many people said he ducked. I was in this weird situation where I don't want to say he ducked from someone. But I was saying he quit fighting. I still don't believe that he's afraid of anybody. I just don't think that's how any fighter thinks, especially one that has had the success that he's had.

But Dana goes and says yesterday that he's back in. in the testing pool, and then Jones himself enters the testing pool the day after the White House card gets officially announced by the president. When the president goes, we want to do an event at the White House. Same day, John Jones gets in the testing pool. You guys know if you watch Good Guy, Bad Guy, the other day, I said, listen, if there is a guy, because if it happens, it's on Fourth of July. We need an American to win.

Right now, guys, we don't have an American in the top 10 pom-p-p-p-pom. We don't have an American in the top 10 pom-pah-pom. We don't have an American champion outside of Kayla Harrison, now that John Jones retired. So who do we spend out there on July 4th to get a victory? I say send John Jones. He's going to win. That's what he's done in his whole career. If it's going to be somebody that we have to trust,

to win for the country, you send that dude. And that's me saying that as a guy that has never seen eye to eye with that dude. Never seen eye to eye. I'm saying if we got to sit an American male to go get a victory, you better send John Jones. And then you start going down on the list, right? The Max Holloways and the Dustin Pori's. Who's retiring next weekend?

So many other great champions. But if we absolutely need a dub, you got to send a man that's proven to be the baddest dude out there. And that is Jones. You know, John said when he announced that he was coming back, he said, I called the UFC headquarters the same afternoon on the 4th of July. I'll leave it at that, America. Now that tickles my pickle. He said essentially he needed something to motivate him. And fighting at the White House is something that motivates him. And he would do that. But,

Does he go out there and fight Tom Aspinall still? Right? Because you've got to imagine by that point, Tom will have fought a couple more times and possibly have defended his championship. He may still be the world champ walking into the White House, and John Jones is going to have to go and, hey, get our independence.

He said he'd fight anyone. So, I mean, that means he'd fight Tom Aspinall. Right back in the same. Honestly, John doesn't have a choice but to fight Tom if he comes back, if I'm still the champion. That is just what it is. And honestly, as fans of fighting,

you guys should be excited. Because anytime he fights, it's better, and the sport is better when John Jones is around. Last thing. Guys, Dana White said, the last thing Dana said was Kyle was asking him, what would be his dream card? And he said, Jones versus Aspinall,

Conne McGregor versus Michael Chandler. He thought that would be the perfect. one. And the guy started talking about this, this, this, this, Kyle, me. And Dana goes, the USC landscape will have changed by then. We got a whole year. Hey, initially we thought this was just a thought. It's not a thought. It ain't a thought. When Dana starts saying stuff like, like definitive, like the landscape will change by next year. We have a whole year. This isn't a thought. The White House is happening. This fight card is not, well, maybe we'll go to the White House. No, it's happening. They're going to the White House. I've heard these conversations publicly. And every time

that idea starts to turn into something real, the wheels are in motion. This is how the sphere started. This is exactly how the sphere started, where it was a thought, we're going to go to the sphere. We want to try to go to the sphere. Then it was like, we're a year from the sphere. There's time. We can figure it out. Then all of a sudden, we're at the sphere. That is how it happens. So in my opinion, I'm planning to go to the White House next year, guys. Old D.C. is going to the White House

to watch a UFC fight is happening. I know things seem impossible at times. With this group of people, I mean, Donald Trump, the president's saying it. And then Dana White saying what he said, we got a year. There's a lot of time to plan for it in a year. If there's a person that makes things happen like this,

is Dana White. A lot came out of that. interview last night. Get excited because we aren't as far away from Islam versus Ilya and John Jones is back so he wants to fight at the White House. And we're going to the White House. Unbelievable. Next week is UFC 318. I cannot wait to get back to New Orleans. I can't wait to see my people. But tomorrow we start in Tennessee. That's real beautiful. Thank you guys for always support me. I love this. You guys are the best. Hey, how do you like me and Dean on three wrongs. Old Dean comes to fight every

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