The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Daniel Cormier TV - DC REACTS to Ilia Topuria predicting Justin Gaethje fight, SHUTTING DOWN Arman Tsarukyan

Episode Date: July 24, 2025

Daniel Cormier IS BACK to react to the biggest headlines in UFC and MMA, and this week Ilia Topuria, Justin Gaethje, Arman Tsarukyan, and the lightweight division have taken over! Topuria told the Nelk Boys in his interview with them this week that he thinks the UFC will push for Gaetjhe to fight Ilia. DC gives take on the soundbite, and why he believes JG is still not a guarantee with Tsarukyan and Paddy Pimblett also going for that title shot. Plus, hear Cormier break down the lightweight division, and what he thinks the championship fight vs. Topuria will ultimately be. And don't miss DC give his thoughts on Justin's perfect end to his career: a win vs. Ilia and defending the belt at the White House vs. Max Holloway for the BMF championship. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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to want that same thing, but only one guy has it, and that's Ilya Tepore. He's the champ. But Justin Gachi feels he has a claim. Armand Sarukin feels he has a claim, and rightfully so. Patty Pimbley now feels he has a claim. They all feel like they have a claim to be the number one contender at 155 pounds.

But what happens when we get to a standstill where, like Armand said to me, that was a Joe Rogan mistake. Patty Pimblech should have never been in the Octagon. He's not the number one contender. That seems okay for Armand to say because Armand was the guy that was scheduled to fight for the belt in Los Angeles. But what about the fact that after that fight didn't happen?

The UFC said Armand's not next. He will need to fight. That seems to have eliminated him. But when you look at the people that know this sport or the fans and the perspective or the perception is, he's number of contender, he should be fighting for the title next. Not Patty, a guy who's ranked number nine. in the UFC's rankings

and just got his win inside the top five. Justin Gachie, who's three and one in his last four fight, says, I have a claim. But he's getting presented with the fight Patty Pimbley. So Gage is like, no, I'm not doing it. That leads to this, right? Gachi feels he has a claim.

Armand was a number contender. Patty just went knocked down with the guy. So he's like, hey, I got the face off against the champ. So maybe I'm number one contender. Let's see what happens. But what do you do whenever guys are not only telling you they don't want to do something, but they seem willing to really either sit it out or be done.

To Justin Gage's point is what he said. He goes, I'm absolutely not fighting Patty. And if that's the route that they want me to take, and I don't believe that they need me anymore. I know that sounds petty or whatever. But number three, three and one in my last four, the champion Islam was calling to fight me when he's, he vacated. They bring in a new guy

and give, they bring a new guy in and give a guy who's two and two in the fight. If their algorithm and their match tells them to just use me until I get beat, then I'm going to have to really reevaluate what I'm doing. So,

it sounds to me like Justin Geichie, as he said before, hey, title fight or retirement. It sounds like he's more than willing now to stand by that and be done. And that would suck. right because MMA's better when Justin Gagy's fighting. We just have to watch Dustin Poyer retired last weekend

and that absolutely suck. So what's going to happen this time, right? We have to walk away from Justin Gachey too. That era of fighters that we all fell in love with so much are starting to take the curtain call and go, hey, my time is done. This game is done with me or I'm done with this game. Justin seems very, very stern in the idea

that if he has to fight Patty Pimlin and that's the only option, he's not going to do it. And that sucks because I don't know, I don't know that it's going to make the UFC say we have to give Justin Gatesha a title fight. I don't know that they're going to do that, especially when you go through all the things that I'm telling you right now, that Armand has a case, Patty has a case,

Justin has a case. Ilya saying he ain't fighting Armand. So now you got the champ saying, forget Armand, he's not reliable because of what happened in Los Angeles in the fight when he was supposed to fight Islamakacha. Then you have Patty, who got to go into the octagon and stare off with the champion.

You have Justin saying, I'm not fighting Patty. When in reality, Patty Pimilar Justin Gachey seems like the logical next step for Patty. for Patty. Because after you get to a Michael Chandler, right, you want to go into that next level of guy as you get closer to the title fight. Does Patty Pimlet deserve a title fight right now?

No, he doesn't. But with one more victory, especially one over a guy like Justin Gachie, he would absolutely deserve a title fight. But I think he's one fight away. But he also needs that name. He needs a Justin Gachie. He needs a Charles O'Levara.

he needs one more guy behind Michael Chandler to truly make the case for him earning a championship opportunity. So to me, that leaves Justin and Armand. Armand is number one contender. Supposed to fight Islam. After that fight didn't happen. The UFC said he was going to have to fight somebody else.

He didn't. He has not fought. He weighed in as the backup fighter when Olivera fought against Ilya to pour you. But Ilya is saying, fuck Armin, he's not fighting him. He believes the UFC will push for Justin. I don't necessarily know where he's getting that from.

Maybe he knows that Justin's valuable and the company doesn't want to lose him and they might if he doesn't get that title fight. But for Gaichi, he would love it. Ilya believes, though, that that's the guy he may end up fighting. But Justin said in the perfect world, in the best chapter in my book, if it happens, I'll believe this is a simulation.

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Justin wants to, obviously everybody has big goals, right? Like everybody has the biggest of goals. And that would be a fairy tale for Justin Gachie. For Justin Gachie to extend themselves to next summer would be amazing because we said an American guy who's as red, white, and blue as anyone out to the White House. to defend the championship. I get it. But I still don't know, guys,

and I need your help with this in the comments. I still don't really know what do we do if it doesn't happen, though? What happens and who does Ilya fight if Justin doesn't get the title fight, which is what he expects? I believe all things considered, merit warranted.

I think it's probably should be Armand Syruquian. I mean, he was number one contender Luis. You can chime in in the chat if you want. You're my first comment. I think Armand Srucchian probably should be the guy that gets the title fight. I just don't know if the champion is willing to fight him right now. And at times, that can become an issue, especially if what Ilya said is true, where do UFC told him, hey, please don't try to go up right now if you become the champion?

because you're doing us a favor by stabilizing at 155. So what if Ilya goes, do me a favor? I don't want to fight this guy right now. He's unreliable. Let me see him fight again. It's more likely, and Luis kind of agrees, that because Ilya and Justin want to fight each other, Justin's a big name,

and he does have three and one in his last four, it's potential. It's a mess at 155 right now. It really is an absolute. mess at 155. Guys, I'm in the rental wrestling camp right now, so my voice is acting up. I'm sick. It's a whole, hey, I'm in the grind.

I'm in the grind, but I promise you, we'll get you guys another episode of three rounds tomorrow. Dean and I will go back and forth on something. Let's hope we can entertain you as you have been entertained so far. Thank you guys for tapping into what Dean and I are doing. In those comments, somebody helped me out. Match up 155 for me. Let's figure this thing out.

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We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it. But, you know, tired and sick.

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