The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Daniel Cormier TV - Dricus Du Plessis on TEACHING Khamzat Chimaev how to lose, disrespected as an underdog
Episode Date: August 15, 2025Dricus Du Plessis IS BACK for another interview with Daniel Cormier on the DC Check-In show. Du Plessis talks to DC about fighting "the Boogeyman," Khamzat Chimaev, and why the undefeated superstar is... his biggest challenge to date. Dricus speaks on being an underdog despite being the middleweight champion, and why he decided to call out Khamzat while everyone else in the division has avoided Chimaev. Du Plessis speaks on his purpose as a UFC fighter, and why Chimaev has no chance to beat him if he's in this sport for the money. Plus, don't miss Dricus talk about teaching Khamzat how to lose and calling DC out for doubting him in the past!#VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Hey, listen, seriously, you got to check his back.
Still the fight kit.
That's what I just told him.
It ain't like you don't pay them enough.
Yeah.
You pay enough.
Check that, man.
Yeah, keep your shirt on.
You don't get to do the interview with no shirt on.
Man, you're looking good.
You would like to, I'll like take your shirt off?
Yeah, sure.
Take all the photos I can while I look at this.
I always take it, like, I take the U.S. photos.
Well, for the time being until the next file, I take all the photos that I possibly can.
In part weeks, I can look.
I can just post them as to you.
Changing pants, chasing outfits.
Hey, I got to ask you something, man.
saw some shit the other day.
It's crazy.
I saw like a video of you, like,
they were, like, trying to make funny
you with that home...
Have you seen that video?
Which one?
Like that Homer Simpson video?
Yeah, I saw that...
What is that?
What is there?
And it's so funny that I actually did
the Simpsons predicted it.
That's amazing, yeah.
I mean, they predicted it.
They predict everything, though.
They did, and they predict me hitting stricken
with the head on the hip.
You hit him in his ass with your forehead.
Yeah, and that'll teach him.
How did that happen?
Guys, I'm with the middleweight champion.
and Dreykis duplice as he gets ready to finish championship,
another time, this time, against Hamzaa Chimayev.
Drekis, thank you for checking in with me again.
Israel Adasanya, Sean Strickland, Sean Strickland,
every time you're the underdog,
but every time you're getting more and more dominant.
What do you make of that, where you always made the underdog?
Yeah, I think, you know, they say that 30% increase
when you become a champion.
For me it was more than that.
I think 130 maybe.
Really?
Once I became champion, I just loved it.
I just loved it.
And I've been champion for many years outside of the UFC.
And once I tasted that goal, I just got hungry to be great.
I love it.
I love it to think at the top.
And I think the second Strickland fight, for example,
I knew Strickland wasn't going to change his game plan.
He loves his game plan and it is effective.
And he's been doing it for so long,
there's no way he's going to change it.
without Asana, it was a bit different because you have a guy that can come in there,
you know he's going to strike.
And you have to be able to handle that because you can't go into that fight saying,
I have to take him down.
What if you don't get him down?
So I think, and then getting comfortable with fighting these names,
getting comfortable with saying, listen, I can do the five rounds,
especially going that five round, was tricking the first time and felt great.
Then that gives you the confidence of go out there and throw him, man, do what you've got to do.
And every part I get more at home.
And every fight I get more comfortable in the UFC.
I've had nine UFC fights now, but only about six fights in, I started really feeling
at home.
Five, six fights I started feeling at home.
So I started to get the performances that I would give in the gym.
I'm starting to see glimpses of that in the octagon.
When I got to go back to that second strong strickland fight, were you surprised at how
that fight played out?
Because it looked like you almost put him like he literally turned into a shell of himself
inside of the octagon.
Were you surprised being as how loud.
he is and how like forward he is and all
of his thoughts it seemed like you just
like he honestly it seemed
like he was a shell of himself like he had no
answers for what you were doing
like he just even as coaches
did you go back you've watched a fight clearly the coaches
were so frustrated because they were telling
him what to do but he seemed to have like
no ability to kind of even get
started were you surprised yeah I mean
I have to be honest with you Strickland's a great
fighter but if you figure him out
you figure him out I think
Strickland what he does is
it's worked for him. Obviously, he became a champion. He's beaten the best.
And after the first fight, the problem with the second fight is it wasn't Strickland's
off night. He did exactly what he did in the first fight. There was a year in between the first
and the second fight. And once we've been in there, I just knew the adjustments. I mean,
I was in there with the man for 25 minutes. Yeah. We had to make the adjustments. I'm not going
to walk into that jab the same. Whereas I didn't that first fight. And knowing that is how he fights,
knowing that he prioritizes defense.
Yeah.
And that is what we saw in the second fight.
And his coach said to him, third round, they went out and they said,
you are doing the same things, you did in the first fight.
And the fight is pulling away.
And I think...
The first fight was closer to them.
It was like, first fight was close.
Second fight, you lose this next round, you're down three zero.
So whereas the first fight, you were doing the same thing, but they were like hard to judge
rounds.
This time, he's clearly winning the rounds.
And then you also have to remember in the first.
first fight I've never been five rounds fighting a guy like Strickland who can go
five rounds and you know that and a guy who likes to go forward so you have that
in your mind because can I you know in the gym I can go five rounds full speed
but in a fight and I went in there and the first two rounds was almost you know
maybe the nerves are fighting for your first world title not figuring I haven't
figured him out yet his jab is tricky by the second fight when I went in there I
knew what he's going to do I knew how he fights the only the
surprise you could have put in there was to shoot for a takedown and that would have been great.
But yeah, I mean, that is what it's about.
I think it's constantly getting better and the sport, I mean, look at the paperview events from
one month to another.
It's just so everybody's getting so good.
You have to go with the sport the whole time.
So I was talking to Chale the other day and he tells his story about you wrestling with
the South African Greco-Roman team.
Is that true?
Did you come to the United States with that team to the Olympic training center?
No, I heard that.
That is my phone.
It was drinkers.
I had wrestled with these guys in South Africa, but I didn't come to the...
Colorado Springs?
I didn't go there, no.
No?
I didn't know.
But we have a guy...
I keep believing him.
Yeah, and I mean, that's on you.
That's on you.
Why won't you just like say something and be like, not true?
You can just go in the comment and go, that's not true.
Because, I mean, if I have to correct every media outlet that talks some shit...
I also said that you couldn't score takedowns.
Yeah.
That's it.
Don't correct me anymore.
I don't doubt you no more.
And the thing is, it's when sometimes people say things like that to get in,
to say, but I mean, I don't even know where it comes from.
It's not even remotely.
Do you remember the first time you said, watch my takedowns this weekend?
And then they were better.
And then the next fight, it was better.
Like, you just kept getting better.
Because you remember I was making funny because you still tripped the underhook side?
Yeah, but I got the trip.
You did, I know.
It was still.
Yeah, but I mean, I got the trip.
You got it, though, Drake.
It's like, but now you.
you do it the right way.
And why would anybody defend it?
Because, no, oh.
See, you're just smarter than, oh, okay, so you do it wrong because they don't expect that.
Okay, do you know how to defend the overhawk side trip?
I do.
Okay, do you know how to defend the underside one?
So it's just a matter of who falls a certain way?
That is it.
There you go.
Okay.
And if he does it before we get back up.
Oh, that makes sense.
But see, but now you're actually tripping the overhook side.
Maybe.
I saw you.
I don't know.
I can do both songs.
Maybe mix it up now.
Weapons.
So you are now putting together, man,
hats off to you because so many people, right,
like that video, right?
Oh, well, is he good?
Is he not good?
No, he's very, really, he's very fucking good.
Like, acknowledge that.
You're putting together a great title reign now, right?
This could be your third defense.
How gratifying and satisfying is it to just really prove people wrong
and show that my,
style. My style works for me and it works at the highest level. It might not look like Alex or it
might not look like Izzy, but it works for me. Like how good does that feel to constantly be proven
and being wrong and finally feel like now people are coming around, Dracus. It's not what it used to
be. People are like, yeah, well, DDP's really, really good. Man, I said this in the beginning.
You know, after the Robert Woodrow fight, because there's only one way to know how good you are and that's
going after the best and beating them.
So after that fight, I went and I said, yeah, people are critiquing my style so
hot when they should be taking notes because otherwise they're going to play catch-up
for a very long time.
Yeah.
The longer they're wait, the longer it's going to take.
And I think that's what's happening now is people are starting to acknowledge that,
listen, it looks weird because it's not the norm.
It's not what we know.
Any change is weird for people.
People don't understand.
When it's something new, they don't like it.
And it's not about proving people wrong.
That gives me no satisfaction.
It's about proving my style, my work, and my team, my coach.
The stuff that we've been believing in for the last 13 years.
To prove that right, to prove the people that believe in me
and that's put in so much effort to get me to where I am.
Hearing all those comments from guys like you,
from guys at the top that's been at the top saying this is the wrong way.
You can't fight like that.
it's not good.
And then going out there and keeping that belief,
keeping that belief,
because now you want to change it.
And a lot of people try to change it,
and that's the wrong mindset.
But you didn't change, right?
You changed our way of thinking.
Absolutely.
You have to believe in what you do.
You've actually made everybody think,
wait, maybe he is doing something different.
And that's,
I've gained an appreciation for your style now because of that, right?
Like, watching you compete.
And also I'm like, this dude has to be unbelievably strong.
Like, how much.
do you bench press.
To be honest, to be honest, to you.
Deadlift?
Deadlift?
Can you do pull-ups?
Yeah, I do pull-ups.
How many pull-ups can you do?
I don't know, probably like 20.
Dude, I did pull-ups the other day, and I was doing like, I did like five.
Then I started doing jump.
That's very impressive.
But I started doing jumping pull-ups, where I'm just jumping in the next lorry.
I could not lift my arm for two days.
My shoulders were stuck down.
I could not get my arms past my shoulders for two days.
Did you pull up, especially those wide grip is the lat.
It's like the lat.
It goes tight.
It goes tight.
It goes tight.
It's so bad.
That is true.
But I honestly believe that some guys have power and some guys have strength.
And the one you cannot train.
You cannot train strength.
You have it or you don't.
And power you can train for.
You must have strength.
Because when you grab these guys, they seem almost like lost in it a little bit.
In South Africa, we'd call it Buddha Krak.
What is that?
That is Afrikaans word for why I'm strong.
Boudicra.
Yes.
Did I say it right?
Yeah.
Burekra.
That is it.
Burekra.
Burekra.
Borekra. Pappi.
Afrikaans.
I got my guy Afrikaans on point.
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He's the boogeyman.
We have conversations about why he's the boogeyman.
Most people, since we were children,
we have been told the boogeyman comes at night and he's scary.
You want to avoid the boogeyman.
You don't want to deal with him.
You put your head under the cover
if the boogeyman's in the room with you as a little boy.
You're calling him out.
While everybody else is putting their heads under the covers,
you as the champion walk to the post-fight press conference and say,
Chama is next.
Why?
I have to be honest with you.
Since the day I started the sport, I wanted greatness.
That's what I was chasing.
I never chased money.
I never chased fame.
I never, if this sport wasn't, if this sport was not paying,
I would be struggling to get by, to be honest with that.
Let me ask you this, champ.
I love that point, right?
he said the belt doesn't matter to him, no.
It's about the money.
Can you guys have different motivations and still fight at the same rate, right?
Like at the same level.
Because if you're doing it for that love,
and he's literally telling me that he's not doing,
he wants the money.
You know, like can you fight at the same level
when there's such a difference in the approach?
You can, but you can't fight me with that as your motivation.
You will be paying all that money to get out of there
if you're in there with me for five rounds.
If the money is your motivation,
that motivation monkey will drive away very quickly.
Money, there's no amount of money
that's going to keep you in that fight
when I'm in there, willing to give my life to win.
Money can't buy that.
And there's only one thing.
It has to be bigger than you.
Money's not bigger than me.
Passion, legacy,
and achievement, that's bigger than me.
wearing my country's flag and being,
making history of my country,
bringing that bout back home.
It's not a belt, it's about bringing that victory home,
representing my country, my people, my team, my family, my crest.
My kids one day are going to look at that.
That is worth more than any amount of money.
And that's what I fight for when I go out there,
to be remembered forever.
When you guys break down Shimaev,
what makes him so dangerous?
I mean, it's the start, right?
It's a takedown.
It's the aggressiveness.
It's the grappling.
Is there anything that I'm missing?
Because I don't look at him as an opponent, right?
I've never had to.
But when you, as his opponent, watch him and your coaches,
outside of the fast start, the quick takedown,
the avalanchev coming downhill,
what is there to Hamza Achimai that makes me so dangerous?
Or do you even view him as dangerous?
Absolutely.
I think he's an incredibly dangerous opponent.
I think he has the striking to put you down with one strike.
He has enough power for that.
He has the wrestling to fall back on if the strike can go south.
And underground, he can do it all.
He's an all-around fighter.
With that, he's never lost, so he has grown used to winning.
And I think his whole mindset works around confidence.
In training, within his team, this man does not lose in training.
I don't think he does.
I've only heard he doesn't
and that makes him dangerous because
in his mind he only wins
You have to teach him how to lose
You have to teach him how to lose
And that's why I'm here
Because I know what it's like to lose in training
Every single day
I have felt defeat in the professional era as well
And it sucks
Giving up when you know what it feels like to lose
It's a lot harder
Than giving up if you don't know
Maybe it's not that bad
But Hamza is dangerous because he goes out there and he believes that he can do what he wants to
He is that guy in the school yard who does whatever he wants to and he doesn't get into trouble
Well, I'm the other guy who just got into the school and you're not going to get your way with me
And that is why this is such a great fight
You have two bullies who's going out there to see who's the man on the block
Yeah, so you saw you walked into the school as the new kid and go oh okay, I see the alpha
I want to go and take my place.
That is it.
There can be only one alpha, and that's me.
So how do you teach him that this weekend?
Like, what do you have to do early, right?
Because a lot of people believe that it's early, Hamzaa, late, Dreykis.
How funny is the narrative that's changed from?
Drikas has no gas.
He needs to finish his fight in the first round.
Because you know, right?
That was another thing you were mad.
You were mad at me for a couple things before.
I wasn't even mad.
I was just laughing at you.
You're like, I'm still like that.
I just keep on going.
Yeah, you do.
get that tired. I was like, wow, his mouth is wide open. He looks exhausted and you're like,
I was never tired. Yeah, well, I was tired, but just not as exhausted. Everybody's tired.
Everybody's tired, but I wasn't dying. There were a few fights. I mean, I would talk about
that Derek Brunson fight that right after that. I was, I was tired. I was dead. But I mean,
the pace was also ridiculous. Hey, what about whenever you hit Derek Brunson, he was just laying on the ground
with his hands like, I'm like, block your face, dude. He was laying there with his hands like,
fight and funny enough
Eric Branson you know that first round he's going to
come yeah full speed
and he's done that to him so many guys
and I just knew it and I was like okay
let's do it that way by second round we're still going to
be there third round two and
but this fight is very similar
in that way I think
a mistake people make is they go into
a defensive mind
when they fight Humlin don't get taken down
yeah don't get taken down
and if he comes
move away from him try and run away and
not get taken down. You cannot
let that happen. Because
in his mind he already knows. You don't want
to wrestle with him. In his mind he already knows
he's going to get you eventually.
The gate is locked.
You have to go out there and so what if
you get taken down? Get back up. That is
part of the game but you cannot go out there and defend.
That's not how you win a fight. You go out there and you attack.
Yeah. So
champ, what does this weekend look like for you?
Sold out Arena, Chicago, Illinois.
another title defense.
You win this.
You're starting to get into the conversation
with some of the greatest middleweights of all time.
Like, what does Saturday night look like for you?
Man, I'm walking out to the United Center,
you know, like they say, the whole Michael Jordan built.
Championships are won here.
That is it.
I mean, the history in there,
I saw that statue where it said the greatest ever was,
the greatest day will ever be.
That's what I want.
And that's what I'm going to do.
That's what I'm going there to do on Saturday night.
I'm walking out there as a champion.
I'm walking in there.
There is no champion.
I'm walking out with my belt.
And I'm going to defeat this bogey man.
And I will prove once again why I'm the best in the world.
He respects you.
It feels like he respects you for asking to fight him.
But like you said, I don't know that he expects anything much different than what he got from Robert Whitaker and all those guys.
But he got tough from Kamar Uchman.
He got tough from Gilbert Burns.
He's got tough before.
and bit through him, but I just don't know that he expects hard on Saturday night.
Yeah, absolutely.
And like I said, I mean, you cannot take anything away from Hamzad.
All the hype, he deserves all that hype.
He is as good as people think.
100%.
But at the end of the day, at this level, everybody's good.
Yeah.
And you need something more.
And that's something more is what I have.
It is not about skill.
It's not about who wrestles the best, who strikes the best.
It's about who goes out there.
If me and Izzy, we strike.
he is much better.
On paper it says he should.
100%.
And not even on paper, if you just look at it.
He's so much more clean.
He's a cleanest striker.
He's more, you know, he has, his combos work perfectly.
He looks pretty while he does it.
I'm not here to win that competition.
But even though when we were striking, I was catching him.
I was, when me as Shigand, he's the boxing guy.
And I was out boxing him.
Because it's not a boxing fight.
This is M.MA.
The distance is different.
Everything is different.
too many variables to go, this guy is too good at this.
It's about being the best in MMA and I 100% believe that I'm the best in the world at MMA.
And, you know, Hamzad, he is great and that's why this fight is so big
because people know this is truly the two best in the world that are going at it.
Yeah, your weight classes as fun as it's been in a long time.
What do you make of guys like Fluffy Hernandez and Imavov and Bohawyo and all the rest?
Like, what do you make of having?
Because honestly, you get through most people or a lot of people think, well, if he gets through Chimaya, who's the most dangerous one they have, it'll be a long time before someone gets the belt off of Drakers.
But then when you look back, you go, well, we still got a lot of really high-level mixed martial artists.
I believe this is the deepest middleweight has ever been.
Does that excite you as the champion?
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, the first time in years that the middleweight, three weeks ago, I've been through the top five of the division.
Yeah.
I've beaten everyone in the top five.
now
there's three
yeah
three guys
three new guys
yeah
I mean you have the Ritter
there you have
oh the Ritter
yeah he's good too
you have the Ritter
there you have
the Rarillo there
you have Fluffy
you in my opinion
deserves a top five
spot I think
he beats
the most of the top five
right now
really what the way
his pace
the way he fights
he made it
look easier
I mean
and then you have
Imamov
who is there
also beating Izzy
so he got that
spot but
then you have
Barallo and him
fighting
and it's
it's exciting
like I said
It's a very exciting time to be a middleweight champion.
That's who's next, you think?
The winner of Bahia, and Imava?
I think it depends on who wins, to be honest.
Yeah, yeah.
Baradio, he's on a long win streak.
Yeah, yeah.
But his ranking is not where Imamov's ranking is.
I don't know.
I have no idea what they want to do.
But right now, I don't think there's really anybody putting their hand up as,
I'm the next contender.
Yeah.
But there's a lot of room for a container to arise with the names that we have there.
You have C just sold.
Seven, UFSI just sold media rights, $7 billion.
I wish I was you right now, Dracchus.
Champ's about to get paid.
Well, I mean, the other thing is, uh, yeah, I guess it's great.
I guess it's great.
It's amazing.
You do is about to get money.
Yeah, well, we'll see.
We'll see.
We'll see about that.
Let's just get this title.
Get the title done.
I mean, the money, it will come.
And like you said, right?
It's not necessarily about it, but it is nice to have.
It's great to have.
And what kind of car you got?
I got a few. I like cars.
Tell me, tell me.
I have a Mustang, a Roush Mustang.
I have a 67 Eleanor on its way, which I love.
Is it already finished or do you have to redo it?
No, we are building it.
You're going to build it, huh?
Yeah, it's basically finished.
We are 90% done with it.
Okay.
And I have a G63, G-Wagon.
Now we're getting into the championship, right?
Yeah, what else?
That's perfect.
And that's the cars for now.
That's the cross-in-off.
Oh, and of course, I have a Toyota Land Cruiser, a big truck.
Land-cruist.
Yes. Drive those into the safaris.
That is it.
I want to go to a safari.
They were saying they were going to do a show in Africa, and I wanted to go, but they said it's like, stinks really bad.
One of my friends went said it stinks really bad.
He's as close you can get to nature as possible.
It does not stink in a sparring.
He said, he said.
He was probably in a zoo.
No, he was not in a zoo drinkers.
He was on a safari, and he said when you're in the brush,
You drive, boom, dead elephant.
Stinks.
Oh, yeah, of course.
A dead elephant's going to stink.
But he said dead elephant.
Dead, what is that one?
The deer looking one?
Antelope.
The deer looking one?
We have like a hundred people.
Like everything.
He said that he actually watched a hunt from start to finish.
Lions.
Yeah, that is incredible.
Yeah, I mean, you have to, if you're ever there, you have to come watch it.
That is incredible.
You've seen it before, too?
Yes.
Is it awesome?
It is amazing.
They rip out the stomach, yeah?
They rip out.
everything. It's kind of more gruesome than you would think to see something because they don't
kill it right away. They'll just grab it. They'll just grab it by the leg and it's so much bigger
and just start eating it from behind. Oh, but you're talking about the big ones, the big black ones with
what is it, what is it, water buffalo? No, even a little small one. The lion doesn't care where it gets it.
It's just, I'm talking about like if they get an antelope, it's dead right away. Hit them on the neck,
put them to the ground. Yeah, it's a bit, it's quicker, it's quicker, but they, lions attack anything. Yeah.
Yeah, it's kind of crazy to see, but it is, it is beautiful.
They had a kid named Tamello on my ultimate fighter team.
Yes, I know him very well.
He's an incredible fighter.
Yeah, he's from KZ-in.
Really nice kid.
And he's a brilliant fighter too.
He showed me some videos.
They're huge.
The lions are, the lions are humongous.
Yeah, I think.
And the other people always say, how would you approach fighting a lion?
I would just go like, cheers.
Say your prayers.
Say your prayer and go to die.
You don't have a shot.
They're so strong.
No, you know, you're done.
This is why I want to go to after.
I have to experience something I just want to my way.
Well, I mean, I'm glad that you want to go for the safari.
I just want an event in my home country.
It'll happen.
It has to happen.
It'll happen.
And when it does, I'll get to go on a safari.
You go?
Would you go with me?
Absolutely.
Really?
I'll show you around.
I'll show you the best time.
Will you pay for it?
No.
Come on, Drake, is you to chill?
You've been paid in dollars your whole life.
Look at this guy.
I'm just trying to see if I can get a free spari out of this dude.
Yeah, look at this.
He's like, like, he's like, like,
worry about money.
He's paying.
The champs actually don't want to spend their money on good old D.C.
That's unfortunate because I'm actually trying to put more money in your pocket.
I really appreciate that.
Watch how I do this.
Watch how I try to get more money.
Guys, the champ, Drake is Duplex C fights this weekend.
ESPN Plus pay-per-view.
Go.
Hit the buy button, line his pocket so then he can take me on a safari.
Deal?
That's a deal.
Okay.
Sounds like it.
Going by the pay-per-view, watch Drake is the finish championship against Hamzaa Chimayev.
It's one of the greatest middleweight fights of all time.
Make sure you go tap into everything that he's doing socials.
Follow Drick's Duplice.
He's a very interesting guy.
Until next time, guys, like, subscribe, and tell your friends to tell their friends that D.C's got a YouTube channel.
I'm hanging out with guys like Dracus DuPless C.
Champ, thanks for checking in.
I appreciate you.
Until next time, guys, peace.
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