The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Daniel Cormier TV - Dustin Poirier on EMOTIONAL UFC RETIREMENT, beating Max Holloway AGAIN

Episode Date: July 18, 2025

Daniel Cormier is BACK with another episode of DC Check-In with Dustin Poirier ahead of his retirement fight for the BMF title against Max Holloway at UFC 318. Dustin reflects on his Hall of Fame career, and how finishing his career with a third win against Max in his home state of Louisiana would be a dream come true. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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All right, so we back home. It's different, man. Like, it's interesting being in Louisiana for a fight, especially a UFC fight. I was just driving past, I think it was on Canal Street. And that big poster you in there, that's got to feel special, man.

I saw it on the drive-in from Lafayette, bro. It feels special. Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah, I was supposed to fight in 2015. I didn't get to, and, man, I was like, man, I'm so happy that you get to experience this moment. I fought in 2015 on that car. You did. Yeah, you did.

How was that? It was awesome, man. That was the last time UFC was here. Yeah. Yeah, it was awesome. Did they go crazy when you came out? Of course. But imagine today, though.

Back then, you were kind of like. I wasn't main event. You wasn't there yet. Yeah. Now you're here. Like, what is the expectation of what is going to be like Saturday? It's going to be crazy. I think the energy is going to be great.

It's going to be crazy. Last one in 2015, I remember, like, in the locker room, warming up, it just felt right. I'm just hoping it feels like that Saturday night. Especially when you start in the Cajon, right? Like, you don't fall in the Cajor Dome, you don't fall in... Blackham, Coliseum. Black and coliseum, like, your career has... It started here and it's going to end here.

I fought in the Superdome once. You fought in the Superdome. How? Rich Clemente put on a fight in the Superdome in 2008 with a car show. They had these nice cars all over. Cage set up in the middle of the cars. I fought in the Superdome. That's crazy.

Yeah. And you know how big it is? We had to, from the locker room, from the locker room, we had to get on a golf cart all the way to the cage. Yeah, yeah. Go more dusty. Yep. Because it's big.

It's big. To be walking, like, especially when you're down there on the field, Super Dome, Canging Dome, Smoothie King Center. It has to feel very special that it makes its way full circle for you to have this moment. Yeah, bro. To lay the gloves down and really retire where I started fighting, I couldn't. It's a dream.

the dream control. I, uh, I remember when I first met you, way back in like 2011, I think. When I doubled you. Dustin, stop saying that. That was points. That was points. That was points. That was points. No, you keep telling people you took me down. People believe it, too. I mean, because it's true. They believe it because I'm an old retired guy and you're still fighting, so they tend to believe the guy that's still, it's true. We got into that room, right? It was a small one. It wasn't even

the big gym yet. So I went the second time, first time I met you, it was inside that, like, it was my pigly wiggly inside that. Anytime fitness. And you were like, hey, I'm in the WEC. And I was like, wow, you're in the WEC. And then I went back to next year and you were like, two years later, I'm making my UFC debut and you're going to fight Josh Grisbee. And you were like, I'm about to buzz this dude ass. And I was like, they got a lot of expectation on this guy. They think he'll be good. And I remember sitting in my apartment in San Jose, I watched you make that UFC debut. And you put it on them just like you said.

Oh, yeah. And it was all systems gold, bro. Like this career, from what the expectation was when you started to where it is today, could you ever imagine? No, no, bro. I didn't know what it was going to be. I knew I was going to try as hard as I could, do everything I can to be the best and find out.

But no clue. No clue was going to be this long of a journey and the heights I've had. It's incredible. Can you point to a moment, like your best moment? I mean, it's a career filled with many, right? You've had, for me, my greatest Dustin Porier moment was when you knocked out Conor and Abu Dhabi. Bro, I stood up on the chair.

Like, I smacked the table. It was like, oh, my God, you can't do that. You slap the table and you make this big impact. But, like, is there one moment that stands out to you more than anywhere? It was like, damn, dude. Like, when it's all said, right, you had home in Lafayette, you go, that was special. That night you're talking about was super.

super special, you know, being an underdog, traveling across the world during COVID and get quarantined at that hotel, quarantine in a couple days in Vegas before they let me get to the plane and so. Remember we had that conversation sitting in the lobby? You and I... Oh, we went the same hotel. Yeah. We sat in that. It was like a holiday inn or something like that. Yeah. We had that conversation. And once again, it was the second time that you actually said, I'm about to put it on this dude. You did it with Josh Grisbee and you did it with Connor McGreg. And that second time, you guys just feel different going into this one opposed to the first one. When you're What do you think it was? Just maturity?

Maturity and not listen to the noise of critics and fans and stuff. You know, when a guy talks that much, it's easy to get caught up reading headlines and stuff like that. I just didn't care. We watched that fight from Lafayette in that sports bar. All of us got together when you fought Conner the first time and you just, you weren't yourself. But I remember he insulted all of us.

When we were doing that press conference together, you were together. He was insulting me because by default, I was with you. And you're from Lafayette. He's talking shit on Lafayette. You're like, talking about both of us. Yeah. One ghetto hillbilly. Like, just making fun of it.

But I think that moment to me was probably, because I remember in that fight, you kind of went, I was like, oh, he got his timing. I hit him with a good hook. You hit him with a nice check hook. You were like, okay, I got you. Like, did you feel like you knew like, okay,

this is what it is? I felt confident like I started getting his rhythm, his timing, making him miss, countering him. I was like, okay, here we go. It's happening. It's starting to happen. You know, when it,

not that I was on the, back foot or coming from losing rounds or something and trying to get the momentum back. But I just felt it starting to go in my way. And I was like, oh, this is going to be a long night for him. That was a great moment. That was such a great moment. I'm going back to New Orleans. Dun, done, dun, duh.

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Was the opportunity to fight Max Holloway for the BMF championship a reason enough for you to say, okay, I want to do this one more time? No, after the Islam fight, I was really thinking about retirement. But just my story and the person I am, like if I came, try to bounce back one more time before I lay the gloves on, it felt like I was doing myself a disservice. Yeah, I wanted to write the ship one more time in a big fight. I actually asked for Justin Gachie when I reach out to the UFC and say, hey, can we, I'm going to retire if there's any way we can do it in New Orleans.

let me get Gaichi. We're one in one. It makes sense to me. But then he was, this is before the news came out that he was supposed to fight Dan Hooker. This is how far back we've been planning. Planning it. Yeah. And USC said, no, he's already booked. He's fighting Dan Hooker. And whatever date, they said, well, we want you to fight Max. So they wanted the Max fight. And it just, and I asked them to come into New Orleans and they said they were going to do everything in their power to make it happen. Couldn't promise me, but they were going to try their best and it all happened, man. What made you feel so confident that you could ask for that?

A place that hadn't been in 10 years. I didn't. I just took your shot. Just swing for you. You miss all the shots you don't swing at me. Yeah. You don't think the swing. Yeah.

Dana and Hunter told me they said, I can't promise you anything, but I do promise, I can't promise you it's going to happen, but I do promise you we'll try our best. Yeah. And you get the word. Max Holloway,

BMF title, right? You fought for that belt now on two different occasions. Like, winning that belt would mean another notch in your belt in terms of your legacy. When you talk about legacy and think about legacy, like, what is Dustin Porre going to be remembered for? I don't know, man. This last couple weeks has been a lot of, like, reflection and looking back in my career.

And it's hard to do that when I'm about to fight, one of the best in the world on Saturday. So I'm not diving into it yet, but I've been feeling so much love and seeing moments and video clips on my career that I kind of forgot about. I don't think about often. It's just crazy when I put it all together. It's been such a crazy journey, man. But to get the BMF belt in a retirement, to never lose two fights in a row. and 50-something fights. It's very important for me.

How does this one play out, you and Max? Because in the first fight, he was undefeated guy. He submitted him. That was in Los Angeles, yeah? Vegas. Vegas. Okay. Then second fight, you're in Atlanta for the interim championship. You start really fast.

He actually worked his way back into the fight through the middle rounds, and then you went to his second gear. How does this one look Saturday? And pointing to that one, that was another one of those moments Well, you looked like you had matured in fighting. Because in the Korean zombie fight, when it started to kind of go like that,

you weren't able to go to that next level. Like, you developed that over time. How does this one look Saturday? To where you don't have to go to that next level to kind of keep him off of you. I might have to. I might have to go to second, third, fourth, fifth year. You know, I'm prepared to do that. I mean, we're both the best we've ever been.

A lot of big fights experienced under our belt. He's been champion, BMF champion. He's fought the best of the best. He's a Hall of Famer. So he's bringing so much fighting knowledge into this fight. And so am I. You know, I have a long career. I fought the best of the best myself.

The thing about this trilogy is 13 years, you know? That's crazy. It's 13 years. Long it span of trilogy in UFC history. Is it? Yeah. There's never been a trilogy that took that much time to complete. 13 years.

But because of that, D.C., it's been so far removed between each one. We're completely different. Each fight is a new fight. Every fight is a new fight. Yeah. If I fought him last year or two years ago, then I could say, oh, it's probably going to be a lot of similar. But I don't know.

We're completely different fighters. Five years now again? 2018 or 19? Seven years. Two, 2019 or 18? Yeah. I don't know.

That's crazy. Right. And the things he've done since that fight, the things I've done since that fight, we're different. Watching them in that Gachy fight, like, what do you take from that, opposed to watching him in the Ilya fight?

Is he, you know, like, because in the Gachie fight, he looked amazing. We looked amazing. I think that's stylistic, too, stylistic, too. Gage is a good fight for him? Gage is a good fight for him.

I was telling everybody, I can't bet on that. the fights, obviously. Yeah. But I was telling everybody I know who does bet, bet Max by decision. I thought he was going to just outpoint him, out rhythm. You know, Gachie's dangerous, but I thought Max would be a little bit crisper technically and use his length and move around, which he did. Yeah, he did. He was up five rounds. He didn't have to toss himself in the fire in the last 10 seconds, but that's just the kind of fighter he is. So that's what makes me excited

to fight him. I want to fight guys like that. And for my final one, it could be a masterpiece or a war, something great. We can make something great happen on Saturday night. DP, you said earlier, you're feeling all this love because of the retirement. But you're a guy that has made a career on kind of being like under us. Like guys, like, I remember when I was in Miami and you're going to fight bin was when I saw the knee and you're an underdog and you walk into this meeting where we sit and I was like, bro, you're an underdog and you was like, man, I can't call it. I can't call it.

Like, what's the difference between this? Like, how do you navigate this opposed to in so many instances? This is where O'Connor McGregor's going to beat this dude. Justin Gage is going to beat this. Eddie Alvarez is going to beat this dude. And you had just prove them wrong. Prove them wrong. Right.

Prove them wrong. How are you in this where it's like all love and it's expected by many that you get through Max Hollow? I don't think it's expected by the bookies, by Vegas. I think I'm a dog. No, I thought you were the favorite when this one is. Oh, is it? No, no. Maybe maybe the people might have bet you to a dog, but you were the favorite one that opened it.

Huh. Yeah. Good. But either way. It doesn't matter. I put in the work. And I'm ready to go. When I have a person's won two fights over the person.

Because I'm, I don't know, the things he's done, the fights he's won since then, the fights I've lost, my age. I don't know, we've got to find out. But you also just did it. You literally just did it. You said, I'm not by Vegas. I'm the dog. Because it's almost like you, that's the role that you've always, do you like it?

I love it. You love for me wrong. Yeah. You literally just did it. You were like, you, you know. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. No, no, no, no, no. Stack it against me, please.

Yeah. I need it. I like it. I like it. That's where I do my best word. Dustin, what's the act? Like, so when Saturday night ends, right? Regardless of the outcome.

I mean, nobody wants to go out there and, ah, you did what you're supposed to do. Like, ah, yeah, yeah, you fought a good fight, but we all knew you. I do. It would motivate me so bad. Stack it against me, make it, you know, making something that seems impossible. I was the champion. And against dudes on three occasions, I was the underdog. I'm like, this is the crazy stuff I've ever.

But it makes you, makes you, makes you, want to work harder. Thus, when this whole thing's done, right? And you're, you go back to your beautiful wife and your daughter and your new kid. How do you look back on this whole thing and go, man, I can take note now because it, like you said, it's hard to do that when you still got a fight. Yeah. I did that with Lauren Murphy last weekend. She was fighting, but she was return. How do you keep it separate? And when you sit back in Lafayette on Tuesday, and you don't

have to go to the gym, now he still will, yeah. Like, what do you expect life to be? I don't know. I've done this since I was 17 years old. I've been fighting. I don't know what that other side is. I've been, I know I said it 100 times this week already, and I've only

been here two days. I've been doing this longer than I haven't been doing this. I've been fighting longer than I haven't been fighting. Yeah. I don't know what a normal civilian, not without the cloud of what should I do. People are getting ready to fight. I know they're getting better. How far am I away from weight?

What could I be doing to learn something? Like that's always for the last, I don't know how many years, in the back of my head, no matter what I'm doing. You know, it's just a cloud that hovers over me. I don't, I've never had a bad of gone. I don't know.

I don't know what it's going to feel like. I'm scared. It'll be nice, Dean. I'm scared. I'm telling you right now it's nice. Because there is, it's what makes you great, that ability to always keep your eyes.

on that prize, but when you have that freedom to just focus on those other things that matter more, it's the best. And then you also got TV. I think you're very good on TV, and you should do more. I wanted. We want you to join Channel and I on our show, like, whenever you can, and more stuff at the desk, I think you'll be

amazing. You got business first. Yeah, for sure. A lot of, big business. My plate's full Saturday. Big business. Big business. Somebody asked me last one before I let you go. They said, hey, you think he's really done. and they showed me a clip of you talking. I said, that sounds like a man that's come to peace with what's happening in the future.

Was that hard? Coming to that piece, knowing, like, or you flip-flop? Because there's a guy named Jordan Burroughs at Russell. Yeah. And you know Jordan Brooks, right? I said, J.B., I said, are you happy? He goes, no. That competitive fire still burns inside.

Right, of course. You got to come to peace with it, though. How did you manage to come to peace with it? I don't know if I am yet. Yeah. I don't know if I'm there. You know, ask me in two months, Maybe I'll be able to tell you, but I don't know right now, I'm too close to the...

You're too... I'm too close, man. Yes. I'm too close to the frame to see the full picture. And we'll see. You know, man, Dustin, it's been great to watch, man. Seriously, I'm proud of you. Thank you, man.

I'm seriously proud of you. From that time to where you are today, I couldn't have guessed it. From that first double leg. But every time, I've been so locked in, man, I'm excited for you. Guys, Dustin, poor you, fight Saturday. UFC 318 for the BMF title to try to go out on top that's a fairy tale that not many of us get

I didn't get it but GSP did and so did it could be maybe Dustin Poria gets it too make sure you got to go to ESPN Don't forget about my boy Robbie Lawler He did it Oh yeah Robbie did too Robby had the fairytale ending of all

Don't forget about my boy Could Robbie have gone 15 minutes If he had to? Oh yeah He could have did 25 Mike Brown was like thank you Thank you I saw Mike in the back just celebrating what I ever see.

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