The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Daniel Cormier TV - Henry Cejudo on Payton Talbott, FINAL UFC FIGHT before RETIREMENT

Episode Date: December 6, 2025

Henry Cejudo IS BACK on the DC Check-In series ahead of what will be his FINAL UFC FIGHT, going up against young star Payton Talbott at UFC 323. Cejudo and DC talk about Henry walking away from the sport, and why he’s ready for the Talbott fight to be his final one in the UFC. And Cejudo talks about how he plans beat Payton, and reveals what he’ll take from the loss to Merab Dvalishvili. #Volume All lines provided by Hard Rock BetSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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No. Can you believe that? You know? And then, fuck, it's... I've done a lot, bro. Time goes fast. I'm actually surprised that I've been in this game for this damn. Time goes fast. Time goes fast, though, right?

Think back to being 16, getting to the training center. To think fast forward all these years, it's like, time just flies. Yeah, it really does, bro. It really does. There's a song, dude, in Brazil is called the, I think it's called the Bullet Train. But it talks about how life goes so quick before you know it, dude. He got grades like, D.C. Look at my face, dog. Jesus Christ. Henry, thank you for checking in.

Guys, Henry Shihudo fights in his final fight this weekend at UFC 323 against Peyton Talbot. Henry is obviously Olympic champion, former world champion in two divisions, has done so many things. We've done this time and time again, but I'm glad that you were able to sit with me one last time as you close the chapter on what is one of the greatest combat sports careers of all time. Now, I tell you this, I'm saying this knowing that I've known you since you were 16. Yeah. So this is not me just saying this as an anybody that just has interviewed you this week or will interview you. I've seen the journey. And I'm saying that, knowing that whole journey.

Yeah. One of the greatest combat careers I've ever seen, man. Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate you seeing. I think because you know, because we came from that wrestling pedigree to where winning the U.S. open, cutting all that way, going overseas, doing the whole nine. Like, that was, to me, that's been the biggest grind. Yeah. Even though I was young at that time, but now that I'm, now that I'm a little older, it's almost like I feel more, I feel like there's more gratitude, man. Like I'm able to say thank you to my coaches, my training partners. Like, hey, man, the time that you get, because you said it, you know, the time flies so, like the time that they leave from their families to be with you. Yeah.

It just, it means, it means a lot to me, man. You know, I just been feeling that shit this whole week. Yeah, but that, like a couple weeks. That is sad too, you know, you and your room crying by yourself like shit, because you know why? I think when it starts to dawn on you that the one thing that has been constant in your life is stepping across the line from another person and competing against him. Yeah. From wrestling to fighting. You've always done that. And it's hard to replicate that whenever you don't have it anymore.

You can do business deals and you can do other things. But it's hard to replicate that feeling of competition, especially when that's the fire that burns inside of you. Like when you think about Saturday night and you think, Think about the gratitude. And all of the looking back that you probably have been doing, how do you anticipate what life will look like after is done? Yeah, no, if anything, I feel good about it. I really do, D.C., like I've been, you know, I'm in real estate,

so I own currently about 15 properties. Obviously, I do the, you know, pound for pound with Camaro Oosun, that it's great, man. It's, you know, we're diversify and I also have my, you know, the concept that I do, Whereas where I feel like I make pretty good money, man. You know, just breaking things down and whatnot. I feel good about it. I think if anything that I want to give back, man, to a lot of these legends.

You know, one of the things that Kevin Jackson, Kevin Jackson Olympic champion, who's our coach, Olympic team. And after I won the Olympics, I remember he told me this. And it met the world to me, because, you know, some reason why I even send you a message when I was training with John. I was like, hey, remember what Kevin Jackson said, legends always take care of legends. So I always took that to heart because I get it

Because it's like You know, you being a champ champ champ, two-time Olympian Like bro like those those people who have truly sacrificed Like if they don't understand business branding sales You gotta be able to help them Yeah they will take they will get taken advantage of A little bit a little bit But sometimes people they just don't recognize

So they get put it That's why you see a lot of those like legends They're just getting rolled out to freaking They go sign some cards every now again when there's just so many more options out there. There are a lot of things out there for people that have done great things. And if there's someone they can call and go, hey,

how do you get about doing that? You want to be that person that kind of guides them in the right way. Exactly, exactly. Because, dude, I mean, just think about how many people are probably a little autographing that you're talking about. Like, man, Daniel, you're able to understand your ability to look. I mean, you're gone a lot. Yeah.

But you're working and you're making money. You're providing for your family. Not everybody has that. And I feel like I'm taking it upon myself to be able to, you know, to give back to, in that sense. Yeah. You know, one thing I read or I watched a video where you said when you made the Olympic team, you were celebrating. And Tom Terry Brand slapped you and said, this is only a qualifier. Perspective, but it was perspective.

Well, you're there. I remember I told you for you. Like the next day. You dropped down to your knees, ah, what? Slap the shit out of you. It's perspective, though, right? Perspective. Yeah.

keeping everything in line knowing what's important, the goals, everything out in front of you. How much have those lessons been able to follow you through this career, which ultimately have been just an unbelievable career? And I don't like doing this. Like I don't love that we're talking career, career, career, when you have a fight coming up this weekend, which we will discuss. But it's like when you've done what you've done, I feel like we have to lay the foundation for how big the moment Saturday night is going to be.

Yeah, I don't know for sure, man. I just think back and think of everything that brands and Kevin Jackson. Like it goes back to even my childhood, going back to what it was like with my childhood coaches and how I started wrestling, like the whole 90. Like when I first started wrestling, but I couldn't afford shoes. Like I was literally on Snakers. And then somebody recognized me. My coach did.

And he was like, man, this kid is good. So he ended up giving me his daughter's shoes. And dude, I would, I would. I would legit be in my house because I slept on the couch, the majority of my damn life. And I would just look at the shoe and just keep looking at them. They were awesome. And they were used. But they were yours.

Yeah, but there were miles like, oh, shit. I got wrestling. And there were Adidas and so I was like, dude, these are awesome. Yeah. You know, just looking back at all that, man. And even like getting stopped by Terry right after I made the Olympic team, like, that's, you know, I appreciate the adversity and everything that I've gone through quite honestly, man. Because even getting poked in the eye, like it's telling me a lot of shit, man.

You know what I mean? It's giving me a lot of different emotions to where I'm able to teach my kids one day to be like, dude, it's okay. Like, it's what it is. It is what it is. It is what it is. Isn't that crazy?

You know, it's as simple as simple as that statement is, it's kind of the truth. Like, if you can live like Max like that, it's kind of like it makes it better. I want you to talk to me, though, about this, right? You went from the highly touted prospect to the champion

to now a guy that's fighting in his retirement fight. Talk to me about the differences of those stages in the UFC where... It blows, dude. Isn't it? Like, talk to me. You had it right, dude. See, I wish I would have been a little more lovey with Dana. But

yeah, it's a trip. You've always had that relationship. And I think that's somewhere where I'd always say, like, I talked to Kamar, do that keep it. Like, I kind of went off the deep end if I could talk and shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, doing the whole Dana Ball, like, you know, I get cringy, but I kind of like teasing the boss a little bit, even though I respect the crap out of them.

And I think that's big, man, you know, and I think that's something that you've done very, very well. And I tell us shit to Camaro who do all the time. Don't fight. Don't fight with the boss. Don't fight with the UFC, man. Keep it, be like Daniel, you know, in that sense. But being contender and, well, not even contender.

I be in the top ten. Like, I don't like it, dude. I really don't. And that's partially even why the reason why I don't even want to be in it. Because to me, I have that Terry Brass mentality. I had a, as I was a kid, man. It's all or nothing. Yeah.

And I don't know if I want to, I don't want to take my time to get back to that title when they already had a couple opportunities and they shit the bet on both of them. You know what I'm saying? So that's what it is. And then, you know, at this point, when you're a contender, it's like, I don't have an option. I can't say no. You know what I'm saying? Like, dude, Payne's a friend of mine.

the UFC offered me, we got to fight. It's the same thing in wrestling. Like, dude, I've wrestled so many of my good friends. Yeah. It just becomes personal Saturday night. Yeah. But that obviously sets you up for that, right? That wrestling allows you to know that there's a difference between friendship and business.

Getting to Peyton Talbot. He's young, man. He's a young, hungry kid. And in most cases, Henry, right, when a guy is on his way out, the young guy gets an opportunity to try to take the shine from him. when you get that, right? When you get that, are you like, does it piss you off? Because again, again, you as the guy that became the double champion, had to do that to people and show them the door. But again, that's the journey, right?

It shit goes in a circle, man. You go from the prospect to the champ. But when you're going to become the champ, you got to get rid of some of the guys that were there before you. Are you pissed off when you get that guy as the opponent go, no way he's going to boost himself off of me? No, not really, bro. I kind of like it. I like the pressure. They had asked before about the,

what do you want your last fight to be? Is I give me somebody young and hungry? Like, that's typically how it is. And I knew they were going to do that. So I've already kind of manifested it too. I just didn't know I was going to be Peyton, which I kind of had an idea too. They're like, I'm willing to say yes to anybody.

You know what I'm saying? So it's part of the game. And I don't like it, to be car honest with you. I don't, it's not that I don't like it. I don't like being in the top 10. Like that's not me You know what I'm saying? Like that's not me

Dude, it's either one or nothing You know what I said when I retired They said, well is this gonna be it? I said well I'm not fighting for the belt anymore Yeah, I'm done Yeah, so you get it And there's rarely Like oh you could keep going

I could physically dude I feel good I had a great camp Or whatnot But it's just not The drive Of trying to become the best The world Knowing what you have to do

And then having young kids It just makes it harder for me Can you train at the level you did before? Yeah, yeah, I could. But I fell in love with the content stuff, kids. All that shit changes, man. You know what I'm saying? It's changed for me.

It's like, could I go back and become that dude that was just eat sleeping shit and train? Like, Habib and Islam. Like, that's the stuff that makes it harder, dude. Yeah. You know, for me, because of life, freedom, kids. There's a selfishness that comes with that also. Yeah, yeah. I was never really planned on on fighting and having kids.

Like I wanted to be done and, you know, dedicate myself to doing business or whatnot, but that's just not life. It's part of the reason why you do, why I did come back was for my family. Yeah. It's like, I want this lifestyle. I'm doing it. And I make really good money, but the lifestyle that you're trying to obtain for them means more to me than legacy.

Yeah. You know? The same way, D.C. or is it just me, dude? No, no, it's the truth. It's the truth. And we all, we see in our children what we hope we could be or provide to them what we wanted to be. That's what to me when I see in my kids. Like I just want to give them better than I have or better than I had.

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Did you allow yourself to think about how it could go wrong or what that might look No, I didn't want to manifest that. I was trying to manifest success. Every family has its secrets. But what happens when you discover that your dad has been living a double life? That is not the look of an innocent man. This is going to change my life and my family dynamic forever because everything that had existed prior in my reality is now untrue. Listen to Deep Cover the Family Man. on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So Peyton Talbot, he's a young kid that has a ton of great striking.

But when he struggled, he struggled with the wrestling. It would seem like a matchup that doesn't necessarily suit him if you're able to take him down. Yeah. Do you see it that way or? I'm getting to stay tuned and watch. But it's everything. It's, I'm going to wrestle. I'm going to strike.

I'm going to kick. I have to mix my fighting. He's a zombie. Yeah. He loves to pressure. He does the whole thing. And that also gives me opportunities as well, too. Yeah.

So it's not like I'm, I can't shy away. Yeah. I can't because once these people get range here, you're just momentum going forward. There's good people that know how to fight like that. Mara is one of them. That's why I feel like if Mara was to fight Omar, and I've told this to Omar,

stay in the damn center. If you watch my first round with him and how it's moving laterally, very short, but stay in the center, like you'll be okay. But the moment he starts getting, push back because of that pressure. It's just, and if you don't know how to, you know, fight off your back feet, it makes it more difficult.

Yeah. So I see the fight the same way with, with Payton. Yeah. I was talking to Captain Eric, and he said, this is a legacy that will go on forever. You beat Peyton Talbot on Saturday. There's going to be that draw. Maybe I can still do this. Maybe I can still fight.

Like, how do you, no, seriously, how, I swear, bro. Most greats, when they do say, this is it for me. They get a taste of that sweet victory because there's nothing like victory. Yeah. And they keep going. Like how are you going to fight that desire to come back, especially if you beat a kid like this? I'm different, Daniel. I'm different in the sense where even when I retired from wrestling when I won the Olympics,

I started hitting the sport. I didn't want to come back. But so many opportunities were given to him, just like, man, what am I going to make a half a million dollars doing this wrestling game? You know, once I didn't make the Olympic team in 2012, I moved on. Like, I was never, I want to go back on the man. I want to wrestle. Not really. Even back in, if we even go back to 2020, I'm just different.

I've learned a lot about myself knowing that I'm an ultimate competitor, but I think I like to conquer more than anything. If I conquer, I move on. And I'm just able to say that confidently and not have that itch. I question whether I want to do it, but I think it's, you know, especially, you know, especially, she going through the whole damn parade here he was like congratulations yeah yeah like that's it for me yeah yeah plus i'm young and the other thing too is getting poked in the eye man like dude i want to leave this sport unscathed or try to leave this sport unscathed much as you can

what was your greatest performance when you when you think back what was the greatest performance you ever had inside the octagon the greatest performance is uh oof there's there's a lot next i had a lot of great uh beating demetre's johnson oh yeah being to do that knocked me out in two minutes and 36 seconds to get in the rematch him blowing on my ankle peronial nerve, spraying my ankle in that fight and still being composed, said, fuck you, man. Like, I'm not going out like this this time. And then getting him. I mean, obviously, Demetri is one of the, he's definitely about Rushmore, 11 tile defenses.

I think that meant a lot to me, too, because I was even born and born like 10 minutes from there. Yeah. You know, I don't remember as a kid, but family members came out. We had Uncle Mike there. It was cool, man. I'll say that one. What do you want people to remember about Henry Shihudo? From the booze to the cheers to the cringe to the non-cringe?

What do you want people to remember about Henry Sehudo whenever it's all said in the... You guys fucking paid attention. You hate or love me. I got to give credit to a lot of people, man. You being one of them too. Obviously being a WWE, you know, loving the theatrists. I knew that I was just like, man, I'm a little different. I'm a little weird.

you know like like just starting shit ruffling feathers getting haters but people will pay attention to you so whenever the camera does go on me uh on the ufc like i i appreciate getting booed yeah you know what i'm like it's easier to get the booze and the wins and it reminds you like i fucking did it right yeah i'm like oh i'll go to anywhere miami anywhere i'm getting booed bro they put that camera on my ass you like it's cool it's cool it's easier to get boozed and cheers yeah it's fun man it's fun and In the beginning, I was trying to be more of Jordan Burroughs, all-American guy. Like, you know what I'm saying, clean cut, the Olympic stuff?

Like, I wasn't trying to do this whole thing with the David, Joseph Benevede for the ultimate final. I was trying to just fuck, dude. There's too many people watching that look up to me. But then it was pretty cool to say, fuck it. And just be you. Be you and maybe even ampl it up a little bit more. Yeah.

Well, it's been amazing. But Saturday, it's a fight. And at the end of the day, You got to win the fight to go out of the right way. Yeah, exactly. And that's what it is. It's a damn fight. Yeah, it's a fight.

Guys, Henry Hudo fights, Peyton Talbot this weekend. The end of a legendary career, but trust me, as a guy that has been there to see it, it has been amazing to watch this young man go from a kid, a child prodigy, to an Olympic champion, to a two-division UFC champion. And now, to be remembered as one of the greatest fighters of all time, make sure you guys tune in. Don't miss Henry fighting for the last time inside the octagon. Until next time, like, subscribe, tell your friends, tell their friends,

D.C.'s got a YouTube channel, and I'm checking in with guys like Henry Shoodle. Henry, thank you. Yeah, thank you, D.C. Until next time, peace. Hey, guys, it's us and the Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin.

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