The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Daniel Cormier TV - Justin Gaethje on Rafael Fiziev REMATCH, Max Holloway KO, Islam Makhachev

Episode Date: March 7, 2025

Justin Gaethje IS BACK on the Daniel Cormier Check-In series as he prepares for his HUGE FIGHT against Rafael Fiziev in hopes of becoming a championship contender. Gaethje tells DC about watching back his fight against Max Holloway this week, and how that knockout affected him after the fight. Plus, Gaethje explains what happened when Dan Hooker dropped out of the fight, and why he's fighting Fiziev as oppose to Dustin Poirier, Renato Moicano, or Arman Tsarukyan. And don't miss Gaethje and DC go back and forth about who has the better golf game between the two and how Cormier always cheats when they play! Use my code "DCTV" at https://www.backyardbutchers.com/dc for 30% off your subscription! #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Golden Corral? No, I have not. Wait, have you been back since? Was that not one of the greatest experiences? I was like, I went to buy you dinner. I was like, cool. Takes me the fucking Golden Corral. Wait.

Wait, did you not like it? They didn't even have fried shrimp or okra. Yeah, he did? They didn't have no okra. You didn't go in the right line. I went in every line looking for this. Can I be honest? I asked for the ok.

I found great joy seeing you in there with all these common people wearing your $1,000 shoes. You're wearing $1,000 shoes and a $30,000 watch in Golden Corral. I don't own a watch. I don't own a $1,000. This dude wearing $30,000 watch and $1,000 shoes in Golden Corral. Lie like a whore. Wait, what?

You felt so out of place. You lied. Did you go to dinner after? Together would just... Luke who? Cut my coach. Did you go to eat after we ate? Were you satisfied with the dinner?

I bought you. I wouldn't have food, yes. So my dinner wasn't good enough for you? No. Why? Because I was, for one, preparing for a fight. I was probably like five weeks out, so I needed the proper nutrition protein

and not fried food. Kilda Kroh was the best. This guy. I would be down to go back after the fight. Okay, so let's go Sunday. Night in Vegas. I'm not going to Golden Grill and Vegas. Well, you just said.

You need Donald and go back. In Colorado. No, no, Vegas. We'll go Vegas. I'm not going. Guys. I'll meet you after I eat. I'm here with the highlight, Justin Gachie, who takes on Rafael Fiziv this weekend.

Dude, another rematch. Yeah. I mean, fighting for Zeev. Special circumstances. I mean, it just kind of led here. Yeah. But Dan Hooker, this is a fight that everybody thought would prove to be as violent as anything would happen. Whenever you heard that Hooker was out,

How disappointed were you And what was the confidence that you would get somebody to step in and fight you? I mean, everybody said they wanted it. Boycano said he wanted in. Paziv said he wanted it. Yeah. Gamrod.

I mean, Gamrod said he wanted it. Sirukin lying, though. Let me ask you guys, Sarukin wanted it. He said 160, but he wanted that 170. Who did? Sarukin. Syrukiya. Yeah.

So you had four dudes say, I'm in. Justin, let me ask you a question. I remember when it happened to me. when people started calling me out when before they would never call me out you're the champ? No, no, no, no, no. But no. When that happened? Yes, yes, yes. Anybody has to take it. But no, you.

People wouldn't call out Justin Gaichi. People wouldn't say, I want in. Do you think that all comes from the last result where people are like, he's not as dangerous as he used to be? Yeah. I think I can get him now. Yeah, I mean. Were you surprised that they all want to fight you?

They didn't want to fight me because they all eventually said no. Really? Well, they didn't say no They said they're too heavy That's no Yeah, it is Moikano, I don't know what the hell

He was doing He said he was the first guy To raise his hand Yeah, I guess he didn't think They would call his number I don't know why he thought that They called his number They called him

He said no As far as I know I guess I never know Actually what happens But you just take you from face value It's all I got But the one that stepped up Is Fiziv

Yeah Coming off of an injury Dangerous fight Dangerous fight Very dangerous fight Very dangerous. And it doesn't feel like there's much to gain in this for you because you beat them before. Yeah, I mean, in this sport, winning, you know, gets you more opportunities than coming off a loss.

I'm coming off a loss right now, so ultimately getting back in the win column is very important. And, you know, they're all top of their game, world-class athletes. So, and the way I make it look, you know, they should have to consider me. If one big victory, especially over a guy like this. One, possibly, too. If I have to find a number one contender fight after this, then then. and so be it. Ultimately, I don't even take part in those decisions.

I have a manager. I have a coach. Stay with them when they called me and said, Dan Hooker was out. I said, let me know if I'm fighting or not. I'm going to stay in the, you know,

in the mindset that I'm fighting. How do you do that? Like, how do you not allow for things when things change to bother you at all? Because you're that guy, right? Like, even when we're doing things outside of fighting, you don't let shit bother you all that much.

Like how, where do you think you develop that way it's like, ah, it is what it is. I should move forward. I just think, you know, you could waste energy on things, and there's certain things that you should never waste energy on. And if you can't control it, then there's no use in wasting energy. Like, it bothers me when you cheat in golf because it affects me.

I don't cheat in golf. You're on playing Shadow Creek tomorrow. You're going to cheat the course. No, I won't. Have you played it? Yeah. Is it wonderful? It is great.

I played Patrick Mahomes Golf Tournament. Yeah. We played two days in a row. Yeah. You just don't like when I actually beat you. you because I beat you. That's what handicaps are for. The bad thing is he didn't even cheat well.

He, the most egregious act. That's not true. Actually, you did it twice. So one that I do that's kind of cheating. I'm not going to lie. He doesn't hold nine and a whole 18. When I mark my ball. No, no.

When I mark my ball sometimes. When he's in the sand up against the ledge, and then you see him and then you look away, turn back. He's four feet away from the leg. That's not true. That's not true. He's dumb enough to not have picked the ball up and placed it. He rolled the ball up.

it in the sand so there's a line in the set. It's true. And then I hit a beautiful shot out of the sand. I had a beautiful shot out of the sand. I had a beautiful shot on the ball. I ran in front of the ball. That was a beautiful shot out of the sand. But yes, I'm playing Shadow Creek tomorrow. But you're fighting for Zeev, right? You've gotten good of golf, right? How important was it after losing that fight to take the time that you took to not fight? Because I remember when I got knocked out, I got a call to fight pretty quick. And I was like, I need six to seven months because I have to protect this.

Like, how important was that for you? It's about being confident in your ability to take the shots, see the shots. And, you know, there's no way you can be confident if you're coming off of a knockout like that and jumping back in there too quick. I think the human body is resilient. We'll see how resilient it is, you know, in the long run,

but this weekend I'm ready. Do you change anything in your approach going into this fight? Being that for the first time, you feel normal? Like, after that knockout, I felt human. Now I was like, oh my God, this could happen to me. When before, I would just walk through any type of shots, as did you. Like, do you fight a little bit different? I guess that's an answer.

I cannot know the question I cannot know the answer to until Saturday night comes and goes. You once told me. But being the competitors that we have been, you've been beating wrestling when you should have never been beat. Yeah. And you didn't bitch out the next time. Like, it's balls to the wall and we're here to compete. You have told me once, and I thought it was the best answer. answer. I said, what do you feel when you go out there? And you said absolutely nothing.

Nothing. Right? Like absolutely nothing. Do you anticipate now, knowing the other side? Because we've all lost, right? We've been hurt. Yeah. Do you think that you will still feel nothing when you hit the curtain on Saturday? Um, yeah. Yeah, I believe so. That's your hope. No, I know that. I know for a fact that will be the case. You know, the worry, the worry comes before, you know, now. But ultimately, I think being reminded of how dangerous this is, you know, you kind of, that never happens to you forget that that's a possibility. Yes. I think being reminded puts you into a more primal state when the fight actually comes. And I think that's what it's going to do for me. You know, it's going to be back to the first couple fights in your career where you have no

idea what to expect. Yes. And then with age comes wisdom and you think you've known it all or know it all. And that's never the case. The sport is so crazy, less than inches less than seconds. And, you know, I'm excited to be scared again. Because even in that fight, even a fight with Max, you were this close a number of times. That's the game that we play. You know, so I have to believe in my ability to obviously, you know, be accurate with my shots, um, cause him to, you know, use my faints to set up those big shots and, you know, be, uh, fight a defensively smart fight. You were telling us that today, it was important. You'd watch that fight for the first time.

But why this week, to watch it for the first time? I mean, I don't know. I was just sitting on the couch this morning. I was like, I'm going to watch it. It was really not a lot of not a lot of thought that went behind it. Really? Yeah, I was like, I want to see how I performed.

And you thought you fought better than you thought. Yeah, I think I've performed well. I think it's a crazy game. And that's what I took the most from me. And I think you felt perfect. Yeah. And he's a very hard matchup for me if you're not moving forward.

Yeah. Okay. So Raphael is he? Right? You guys fought the first time in London. In my opinion, or in my recollection of the fight, I thought he was ahead of you in the first wrong. He's a little too fast, or at least it seemed like that. That's because you're caught up in the flashiness. I'm caught up in a flashiness.

He also said he landed some knees, which they didn't hit. He did land some of these. They did hit my face. You're talking about the commentary? Yes. So do you think I'm good at commentary? Yes, I think you're human, and it's impossible to know exactly what's happening and that.

So when he's landing the knees, you're getting your elbow up and blocking him. Yes. Okay. But I thought they landed. Yes. So I was giving him a little more credit

on no shots. If the judges were listening to you, I certainly lost the first round. Well, because you did lose the first round. I didn't. On two out of three judges score cards, you lost the first round, Justin. So it's like, think about this, right?

You're telling me I'm wrong, but I, three of the four people felt the same way. Yeah, I mean, he's fucking fast. He's fast. He's fast. He's fast. He's, you know.

Did you feel like early in the fight it was harder to track him because he was so fresh and he was so fast? Because as the fight wore on, it seemed like you started. I thought you won the second and third round pretty clearly. Yeah, I think it was kind of just the way that I approached the fight. I was like, I got to be careful. This fool's very fast. I wasn't sure how fast he was until I got in there. But I think it is, you know, in my mind I was going to fight him two inches farther than I fought anybody else.

And I'm going to control his feet the whole time. And that's something I have to do on Saturday. Yeah. And you took him down. I took them. Which is something as an NCAA All-American you have in your bag. Can we expect more that this weekend?

I could beg myself to wrestle and I don't think it would happen. Why? Why? It's not who I am. You don't like wrestling? I'm a competitor. If I'm winning on my feet,

that shit's exhausting. It is very tired. How long is the college wrestling match? Seven minutes. This is a 15-minute fight. But once you take them down, you were able to control for Zee on the ground. Yeah, it's the possibility.

I'm not against it. Yeah. Let's put it there. Yeah. You and I have sparred on a number of occasions. Like, not hard, but when we're in front of each other, in front of each other, you know, we're kicking on the golf course we're punching. In terms of the way his speed matches up to mine, because I see myself as a very fast guy. Like, what do you think?

Like, am I helping you and train? Am I helping you and training by Spartan? If I was spawning with 205 D.C., maybe, but no, this is heavyweight D.C. I'm slow? Slower. But I'm fast, yo. I mean, you could definitely punch a regular person in the face.

You don't think I can hit you? No. Justin, get the fuck out of here. I think I can get to you a chid in a heartbeat. You just get to lay and pray. You think I would try to rush me to the ground? Yeah, you would have no choice. Dude, I would eat you alive.

I would slap you run a mile. You'd be dead-ass tired, and then I'd whip your ass. A nutshell, you want. Dude, don't do that. You can't even fake at that. Yo, stop. You're too slow. Stop.

You're such a bully. What's your excitement level for this weekend, J.G., man. The whole world is excited about seeing you back in the octagon. They get pumped. What's your excitement level to be back in there? 10 out of 10. 10. I mean, the adrenaline rush that comes through your veins,

coarsing through your veins is a special feeling. It's life or death, you know, not technically, but... It is, though. Metaphorically, no one's ever died. But still, it's life or death, man. It's like one guy has to come out of the afternoon. That's the mindset that you have to have, and it's very dangerous, you know, chronic injury is a possibility.

And so that's, you know, almost worse than death in a sense. Pumped up. Name of the game. Pumped that is. I'm ready. I'm ready to go. I'm ready. It doesn't matter who it is.

It's me against me. Coming off a knockout like that, it's me against me. I got to go in there. Be confident in my skills and perform. And I perform better than anybody. Okay, before I let you go. Tell the world how many rounds of golf you played after the knockout between April. Between April and when the winter came in Colorado.

I only played one game this year. In 25. Last year, out of the knock of the game. Last year, out of the 250 days, I played after April, I played like 221. This guy played 221 days of golf. Almost every day. You got better, huh? And we're from a 13 to an 8.

Well, we're going to see whenever you and I want a golf course. You've been playing for three years and you're still at a 27. Guys, Justin Gagey faces Raphael Pazeev this weekend. I'm putting my scores in the app too. Taking on Raphael Paziv this weekend, UFC 313. Make sure you're tapping everything he's doing. Make sure you hit the buy button. G.G.

Let's do it. Once again. Until next time, guys. I made DC shit himself this week. Like, subscribe and tell you friends, I'm tapping in with people like Justin Gagee. Until next time. Peace.

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