The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Daniel Cormier TV - Michael Chandler declares: "I'll knock out Conor in the first two rounds!"

Episode Date: June 27, 2023

Michael Chandler talks to DC about the much-anticipated fight between him and Conor McGregor, and Chandler believes he'll fight Conor in the next 6 months, and will knock him out in the first two roun...ds! Cormier talks to Chandler about future fights against Charles Oliveira and Islam Makhachev and why he can beat both superstars in the division and become UFC champion. Plus, Chandler gives us insight on McGregor pushing him in the face in this season of The Ultimate Fighter. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:32 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok's podcast network on TikTok. Daniel! Am I at the top, Mike? Because I'm seeing you. You're right at the top, baby. You're right at the top with me, dude.
Starting point is 00:01:52 Hey, Mike, look my shirt. Ooh, I got a new shirt. I got a new sponsor. Ooh, I actually have a golf sponsor. Seriously, I got a good. I got a golf company that sponsors me, and I'm a bad golf. No, you're a great golfer, man. Don't shut yourself short.
Starting point is 00:02:07 Hey, Andrew's getting better. I heard you're getting better. That's all the matter. I'm getting better. I'm getting better. I'm getting better. So, Mike, I wanted to check in with you because you're doing the ultimate fighter right now. That's an experience in itself.
Starting point is 00:02:20 But it's also an experience to be doing it with Connor McGregor. How has it been dealing with McGregor? Because that was the agitator. my season because Steve is kind of a normal, cool guy. I would try to agitate him. How is it being on the opposite side of being agitated? Because it seems like McGregor is a guy that wants to get on his kid. Yeah, you knew, you knew Connor was going to be that guy.
Starting point is 00:02:45 And that was, that's why everybody says, okay, how did you, how do you prepare for the ultimate fighter? And truthfully, I didn't have a lot of time to prepare. It was a five day, five day period where I got to call that it was happening and I had to be in Vegas five days later, which means I had to put together my team. team and then all of a sudden you start thinking, okay, when are you going to see Connor the first time? How is he going to react? How is he going to respond? How is he going to, how is he going to start downloading and taking notes about how he's going to get under your skin and become the
Starting point is 00:03:13 notorious Connor McGregor that he is on ESPN every single week? It was, it was interesting to say the least. Obviously, Connor and I, the deal was when we started the show and the deal still is. we were going to fight each other. We're going to fight each other after the show. So the competition, our fight, which would be months after the show airs, started the day that we set foot down in Vegas, right? Yep, yep, gamesmanship, mind games. I wanted to beat them at every turn. I wanted to beat him in every single fight and then eventually beat him in our fight when we do fight. So it was interesting, man. I knew Connor is a black belt in verbal jiu-jitsu. You know, he is a good. And you
Starting point is 00:03:58 saw on that first promo that they aired, you'll do what you told right away. I thought it was a great line, good for him. And you've seen a little bit of back and forth banter. And obviously you see the promo they keep putting out there for the push. Well, yeah, what is he like, he hits you? He actually, like, mushes your face? Oh, yeah, it was a face push, man. Nice big face push.
Starting point is 00:04:19 So it's, uh, that was. He pushes your face. Did you want to kill him? Yeah, well, no, not really. Because to me, to me, it's all part of the. game, right? To me, it's all part of the showmanship of who he is and whatnot, but I mean, I will say
Starting point is 00:04:34 I was surprised at how Pistie got after, which it'll come up here in these next couple episodes, people will see it's going to be nice and fun, but, you know, it was a heated competition, just like when you were a coach, you want to win every single fight. When you lose, you take it personally. And he wasn't, he's not winning to this
Starting point is 00:04:50 point. He's not winning. Yeah, so Connor's been losing in the show, so, you know, and he himself, maybe doesn't take it that personally, but he does. He wants to win. So I, uh, he, you know, blood boiled over. Mike, let me ask you this question. And I've been one of the people that have kind of said it, you and I are friends. And I try to judge things as, as I can't, even if at times it's like saying something in negative about my friends.
Starting point is 00:05:17 You've been called the Arturo Godi of fighting. I've said that there's a much safer way of fighting. But I've also gone on record and said, Hannah McGregor will want to fight Mike because Mike's going to stand with him and Mike will ultimately give him an opportunity to make it a competitive fight. Do you feel, first off, that is disrespectful that we say that?
Starting point is 00:05:39 And do you feel like that's why Kanye McGregor says, I'll coach the ultimate fighter with Michael Chandler because ultimately you will fight him in that way that gives him the best chance and that's in a stand-up fight? Yeah, you know, no, I don't take it as disrespectful that people call me the Arturo Gotti.
Starting point is 00:05:57 I mean, ultimately, Arturo Gotti made people feel something. And that's what I'm in this sport to do, right? I'm here to collect a nice big paycheck from my family. Can I say so? Can I say so? I love that you said that. Tom Jervasi is the guy that does the research for the UFC.
Starting point is 00:06:14 He has a vote at the boxing Hall of Fame. He said something very similar. We were talking about Hall of Fame because I was in this whole thing with the Jim Miller and I got all this shit for it. he said he got shit from voting Arturo Gotti in, but he said Arturo Gotti made him feel. He said, so Monday, you might not be talking about Floyd Mayweather
Starting point is 00:06:35 at the ice cooler or at the cooler or at the coffee shop talking about Arturo Gotti. And I'm telling you, bro, two times I've heard that. And now I think back and I'm like, maybe Jamila is a hall of fear because he makes you feel something. and I guess it's not an insult to be the archer rule guiding. Because people do feel after they watch you fight. Yeah, and ultimately that I feel like, you know,
Starting point is 00:07:03 obviously I'm not a big, hey, make all your decisions based on your feelings kind of guy. But you've got to look at the X's and O's. You've got to look at black and white results and all of these different things, of course. But ultimately, why are we friends with people? Well, they make us feel a certain way. Why do we choose a certain profession? Why have you continued to do what you're doing and continue to broaden your horizons? Yeah, you're making a paycheck and yeah, you're making a name for yourself, but it makes you feel
Starting point is 00:07:26 something as well. Why did I marry the woman that I'm married? Why do I do? Why do I do do? Almost everything we do goes back to how it makes us feel, whether it's contentment, joy, peace, entertainment. We're in the feelings business, making people feel something. Yeah, maybe I don't win every single fight. Maybe I could fight a different way that people want me to fight, but I'm making people feel something, and their butts will be in seats. They will buy the pay-per-view. And ultimately, when I knock out Connor later this year or whenever that fight is, people are going to feel something. I'm going to continue to plant my flag as one of the best lightways to ever do it. And I still think I'm going to wear UFC gold before I retire.
Starting point is 00:08:02 So I'm in it to make people feel something. And ultimately, you know, I have the life that I have because I make people feel something. And that's for a guy like me, right? The guy that's always saying, Michael Chandler could be more safe. Michael Chandler could do this. Connor's picking him for this reason. He's out there and knock him on. You prove everybody wrong.
Starting point is 00:08:19 But like you said, we get into what's supposed to happen. You said this year or whenever it happened. Because like Ben Asker and I did this thing, one of your, you and Ben wrestled together in college, right? And we did this thing where we did a show. And we talked about your guys this fight. We had a countdown. Because there was 24 hours left for Conner to get in the Yusada pool in order to fight at the end of the year. What's the latest that you've heard on the fight?
Starting point is 00:08:47 That you can share. I understand. I know the workings of the back stage, but whatever you could share, what can you share about the fight? And how annoyed are you that it isn't happening? Because if we know one thing about Michael Chandler, Michael Chandler is active.
Starting point is 00:09:04 And by doing the show, and by fighting Connor McGregor and waiting for Connor McGregor, which I do believe you should, do not fight anyone else, wait for McGregor, how annoying is it that you're having to wait this long? And what's the update on the fight?
Starting point is 00:09:18 Man, so I can't give you much of an update. Obviously, yeah, there's talks going on and happening basically every single day. It is a moving target. And I do understand the intrigue. I understand the annoyance for a lot of people. And I understand how quickly people want answers. They want answers and they want them now. With a fight of this magnitude, two of the most exciting guys in the sport, obviously
Starting point is 00:09:41 it's Connor and his comeback, the greatest comeback in combat sports history. He's calling it. He's got his documentary. A guy like me who loves to fight. I love being active. I'm a guy who puts butts in seats. Of course, everybody wants answers. They are eager for answers.
Starting point is 00:09:54 But ultimately, we all have to practice patience. This, for me, is a time right now for me to practice patience. I knew what I signed up for. I knew doing the ultimate fighter, then there was going to be a lull in a long period of time in the show. We aren't even halfway through the show yet. So everybody who wants to answer, you got to remember, too, we're not even halfway through the show yet. Yes, there's been some stuff happening between me and Connor. Yes, there's all the speculation and all the things.
Starting point is 00:10:18 different, you know, conspiracy theories about is Conner coming back? Is he not coming back? Is he partying too much? Hey, you saw this, you saw of that. You know, either way, I'm a fighters, I'm a fighter's guy. I'm a fighter's fighter. There's a reason people love to watch me fight. It's a reason they tune in. I think Connor's coming back. I don't think he wants to sustain his legacy by leading us all down this road of, I'm doing the ultimate fighter. I'm fighting Michael Chandler. Oh, by the way, never mind. I'm not coming back. Makes you buy my title sport and my Irish whiskey and all that kind of stuff. He's coming back.
Starting point is 00:10:50 Yeah, supposedly there was a countdown with Usada six months and all that other stuff. That's not for me to choose or decide. Has there been exemptions before? People are talking about exemptions, of course. That's all on the table. All I know is I'm controlling the controllables. And I also know that either way, I'm going to keep on moving forward. And I do believe I fight Connor within the next six months.
Starting point is 00:11:11 And it's going to be one of the biggest pay-per-views that we have ever seen. And I'm going to go out there and knock them out. within the first two rounds. Yeah, it's going to be a tremendous fight between you, too. Mike, guys, Mike, I got a couple things I want to get what you on. I want to get what you on the lightweight division as a whole a little bit. I want to talk to you a little bit about Islam Mahachev, who is very vocal and is assessments of everybody in the division.
Starting point is 00:11:35 Yeah. But before that, let me pay a couple bills real quick. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year.
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Starting point is 00:14:58 Mike. If Tomahev is one of my friends. He's a champion in your division right now. And his assessment of the division to me is very funny because he's so matter of fact. But as you know, you and I have experiences with Russian in restaurants. is just how they speak. Do you think that the division, when they hear Islam say things like the BMF title is for bum and all this? What does that make guys like you who does say the BMF title fight is a great fight between two real high-level competitors?
Starting point is 00:15:30 What does that make the division feel when they see him talking in a way that he does? No, I completely agree with you. Yes, people can read it as a headline and they can read it or they can even listen to him say it, but he doesn't have all of these different adjectives and all of this different. He doesn't have all of these weapons in his English tool belt, so to speak. So, yeah, he has to speak very black and white matter-of-factly. So, yeah, he knows, he gets to the point very quickly, whereas some of us kind of dance around it just to hit us hit you with the punchline,
Starting point is 00:16:02 where he just like punchline, punchline, punchline, which couldn't take a lot of us off. And Islam and I have had our spats. I would love to share the Octagon with them. obviously Connor is my number one goal right now but man I would like to knock out Connor and I want to fight Islam I think Islam and I know I didn't prove it my last fight obviously I lost to Porier obviously I'm not going to get a title shot coming off of a lost of Porriere but if you beat McGregor
Starting point is 00:16:27 badly if you beat McGregor yeah no trust me I'm going to get a lot of crap people talking about you all here goes Chandler talk about the title shot again Dana White privilege and all this other stuff but dude I just want the biggest fight possible I want the biggest platforms, the biggest fights possible. And you know I'm always going to deliver. Can my wrestling, can I my good old fashioned passionate Division I wrestling beat the Dagestan
Starting point is 00:16:50 Osama? Can it beat the Dagestanian wrestling? I don't know. We may never know, but I would like to know. Yeah, it's tremendous, man. Like, I'm telling you, when I look at this division, it is one of the deeper divisions. But then we also had a conversation the other day, Mike, about this. People were arguing and we were debating, and this was actually one of the, actually one of the
Starting point is 00:17:11 the guys on the fight card, him and I were going back and forth, about Lightweight versus Banim weight. People say Bannamweight is the best division in the UFC now because, and only because at lightweight, the top five hasn't really changed. Is that just a credit to you guys and the staying part or is it because the division maybe isn't as deep as people want it to be? And this is me, right? I'm a TV guy, Mike. So I'm always trying to draw out this. So I might seem a little disrespectful. But this is the question. Bantam weight, because think about all the changeover that Bannamweight has had since you got to the U.S.C. And by lightweight, it's always you, Pori, Gai, Gaiji.
Starting point is 00:17:50 Mahatja is the only guy in the top five that Charles Olavera, it's always been the same guy since 2018. So does Bannam weight rise above lightweight because of all the young guys that have now pushed their weight in the top? Yeah, no, I think lightweight is still a better division. And I will say, I mean, I don't know who is outside the top five in the Bain and weight division either. And maybe that's just me not being enough a student of the sport. But obviously there's been a lot of changeover. And in our division, once again, I think we make people feel something. It is the most electrifying division in the UFC.
Starting point is 00:18:24 When you think about the resurgence of Charles Olivera 2.0, when you think about the highlight reel himself, Justin Gaichie, Dustin Poiray, now they're going to rematch each other for the BMFL. You got Isla who came in was exactly who he said. said he was. He wasn't who we all thought he was. We all said Islam's going to falter. Islam isn't as good as he's talking which goes back to him being
Starting point is 00:18:46 very matter of fact and very black and white with what he says, but he has proven to be the king on top of the division. But yeah, ultimately, man, now you got Connor coming back. Obviously he and I are both going to fight a welterweight, but we're both still lightweight that hard, if you will, he thinks he's a big
Starting point is 00:19:02 now, but he's still a lightweight. Is he actually big? Is he actually big? He looks big like on TV, but, like, I haven't seen him in person. Like, is he actually, like, a big guy? He's not as big as he looks on Instagram and that kind of stuff. I will say, you know, I just think people see me and him next to each other, and I think when we look about, I think we look the same size.
Starting point is 00:19:21 I think I'm actually a pounder or two, a couple pounds heavier than him, because I think I'm against him. He looks like Scott Steiner. Remember when Scott Steiner got, like, super big and he was big pop-a-pump? He kind of looked like, he looks like Scott Steiner when Scott Steiner got like really, really big. Last thing before I let you go, champ. Charles O'Levara, bro. That performance in Vanilla Darius, did you see that coming?
Starting point is 00:19:44 Like, did you expect that? This dude somehow just keeps on, like, I mean, he might fight for the belt again, though, because he looks so good against Vanilla Darius. Like, how is he doing this? Like, you guys all seem to hurt him so badly, and then he finds a way to come back, and he fights him the way that he did. Who could have ever expected that against Vanilla Darius? He completely wiped him out.
Starting point is 00:20:07 Yeah, man, it was tough. I think part of me and probably everybody wanted to see Bineal win for the simple fact that he's been on this run, he's never gotten the title shot, you get through Charles, you get that title shot. You're a good guy. You're a good guy. Yeah, and Bineal's a good dude. He's got a good reputation.
Starting point is 00:20:26 He's got some great highlight of real knockouts. He's been at the top five of the division for a very long time. But Charles Oliver just won't go away. And that's a guy who, you know, talking about the ultimate fighter. would have been on the veterans team. The guy who got cut. The dude almost got cut from the UFC. He missed weight a couple times.
Starting point is 00:20:43 He was up and down with his performances. He was, I think he's one of the biggest stories in mixed martial arts because he was kind of a, you're not that good of a fighter. You can't really show up on the bright life. No, yes, he definitely is now. That was
Starting point is 00:20:59 who we thought he was a couple years ago. That's who I thought I was fighting years ago. I thought it was kind of a luck thing that he, who did he beat back then? I think it was, Tony Ferguson or something for me and him to fight for the title, whatever my... Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was going to go out there and break him, dude, and then he beats me. He beats Poria. He beats... Yeah, he beats... Yeah, he beat Gagee.
Starting point is 00:21:16 All of... I mean, Charles Olivera 2.0 is a force to be reckoned with, man, and I want to... I want that rematch. Obviously, right now, I'm still focused on the counterfight, but I think I beat Charles Olivera. I think I beat Islam. You know, you know how we talk to. We think we beat everybody, right? You're in the middle of all. Charles is great. Yeah. And you're in the middle of all, does.
Starting point is 00:21:37 Like you're in the middle of it all, man. Like you are the man, Mike. Thank you for spending a little time with a man, checking in. And we're going, see you at the top. Let's see you at the top. I love that. I don't know where the fuck you got that. I don't know why you got that.
Starting point is 00:21:50 But you make some shirts. Like, see you at the top, bud. I got them, dude. Zig Zigler said. Yeah, I cannot. I can't, I'll get you a shirt for sure. But yeah, I can't take credit for that. That was the great, one of the greatest,
Starting point is 00:22:03 the greatest motivational speaker of all time. Zig Ziglar, he wrote a book called See You at the Top. said to you at the top all the time. He is the man. So I don't take credit for it. See you at the top. Yes.
Starting point is 00:22:12 I want you to see you at the top. That's my boy. Over the top. Yeah, dude. My boy, Mike Chandler. Guys, that's Michael Chandler. Like, subscribe. Hey, and on Michael Chandler's after the tough show,
Starting point is 00:22:25 him and I are going to watch the ultimate Friday latest episode. And then we're going to discuss it a little bit on his YouTube. So y'all make sure to tap into everything that Michael Chandler got going on also. My boy, Chandler got a media team. team. Not one guy. My boy, Chandler, has a media team. Guys, so make sure you catch me on Mike's podcast, his show. What's it called? Mike? After Tough? Like, what's it called? It's just the Tough 31 reaction show. So Mike Chandler.com, sorry, YouTube.com slash Mike Chandler, M.A. on my channel. You were gracious enough to bless us with your presence.
Starting point is 00:23:01 And it's a great episode. My boy, my boy, my boy, Bracketononis, by you. this week on the ultimate fighter. So I had to make sure that I tapped in. Yeah. Me and D.C. share a lot of things. We're similar in a lot of ways. One of which was the fact that we both coached Barakitona. So make sure you all check it out.
Starting point is 00:23:18 Make sure you all watch me on Michael Channel. The show, guys, until next time. Peace. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day, and head writer Streeter Seidel
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