The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Deandre Ayton Joins Lakers, Will Giannis Stay With Bucks? NFL Snow Games, NBA West WAY Better Than East

Episode Date: July 3, 2025

Colin’s joined by Danny Parkins, host of “Breakfast Ball” on FS1! They start by reacting to the news that the Lakers signed former #1 overall pick DeAndre Ayton to a two year deal and argue that you can’t get away with being a small team in a western conference that’s loaded with talented bigs (4:00). They highlight why it’s a low-risk, buy-low proposition for the Lakers where playing with LeBron and Luka could help revitalize Ayton’s career (10:30).  They discuss the massive gap between the western and eastern conferences in the NBA and the reasons driving the disparity, (14:30) and debate whether the top player in the east (Giannis) can power the Bucks to a finals appearance with Jayson Tatum out (26:00). They also talk about why the teams that have traded star players for assets almost always lose the trade and caution the Bucks about trading Giannis. They pivot to the NFL and the backlash to the Browns plan to build a domed stadium and debate whether the tradition of snow & bad weather games is worth keeping in a quarterback driven era of football (34:00).  Danny hijacks the conversation to congratulate Colin on his induction in the Radio Hall of Fame and his decades of success and Colin reflects on his journey into the business starting as a kid (44:00).   They discuss the rumors of Dawn Staley potentially being a candidate for head coach of the Knicks, why there are no female coaches in men's sports, whether that could change in the near future and the challenges facing female coaches in men’s sports (51:30). Finally, Colin argues that while the transfer portal has been good for college sports but requires some limitations and they debate whether money in college athletics has made it a better or worse product (1:02:00).  (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates!  #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Laker fans are banging on the table. You've got to do something. You've got to do something. You've got to do something. They want to do something. They want to sign Luca this summer. Yeah. But they don't, they really, the Lakers are literally trapped.

So they signed DeAndre Aiton, buyout. Blazers bought him out. It didn't work in Portland. It did not work in Phoenix. distracted, not necessarily. Like if there was an NFL comp, it'd be Kyler Murray. You know, it's like, you know, you see some talent, but you're like, are you really in, didn't get along with Phoenix.

I think he views himself as a much, this is why I don't think it'll be great for the Lakers, he views himself as a much more important offensive piece than any coaching staff has viewed him. And between Austin, Luke, and LeBron, he ain't getting many shots. I mean, he wasn't getting them in Portland, and Portland's got a bunch of kids who needed his offense. So this, to me, is a complete desperation move that they just, but here's the thing. In the West, Yokic, OKC's got two bigs, Minnesota's got size. Like you start looking around, Dallas has a four different players on their front line.

You can't be small. The Warriors know this the last three years. You can't be a small team outwe. You can get away with it a little bit. You know, Janus obviously is big, but you can lose poor Zingas if you're Boston. You can survive. You can lose Miles Turner. I think Indiana with your pace and survive.

In the West, if you don't have a big, you are a playing team at best. So I think they almost, it's not a great fit. It will last a year or two, but I think they had to do something. Yeah, I mean, this is buying low, right? That's what this is. I mean, DeAndre Aiton, guys made $130. $37 million in his career already. He's 26 years old.

Like, there's something to height, size, talent. And so he probably, because the thing is, like, why hasn't DeAndre Aten gotten better? Why doesn't he have more attention to detail? Why is he not more disciplined? And it's like, well, doing it his way through just natural talent and physical gifts, the guys had seasons where he's averaged 18 and 10. He's had multiple years in a row where he's averaged double-digit rebounds. Like he's 55, 58% from the floor, and he's making 30 plus million dollars a year.

He's like, I don't know, the way I'm doing, it seems like it's working out pretty well. You know, honestly, like, sometimes we just, like, I also always used to talk about Hobby Baez that way in baseball. He was like, why should I learn to hit the slider low and away? My way has gotten me $200 million. Like, uh, yeah, like sometimes you can be paid a lot of money and be really successful while having a fatal flaw. And yeah, D'Andre Aiton feels like a guy who is never going to max out and reach his full potential, but 80% of his full potential is still a really lucrative basketball player. I will say that not needing to be the focal point of the offense might bring out a best version of D'Andre Aiton,

if I was going to try to be optimistic about it, because it's a pretty good gig to be a big and play with Luca Donchich. Because Luca's superpower is collapsing a defense, and then he can throw that lob pass. Like, he might, remember, like, DeAndre Jordan on Lob City when he would play with Chris Ball? And it was just like, oh, my God.

Like, this guy would hit nine shots a game, and eight of them were dunks, right? it's the easiest, easiest 20 points you ever got in your life. Like, I could, they tried to trade for Mark Williams. Then they failed his physical. Mark Williams, flawed player. But he's huge. But he's huge.

I think that was all they wanted, to your point. It was like, they tried to trade for size, then they flunked him on his physical. And now they're like, okay, LeBron opted in. We don't want to trade Austin Reeves. We just need size for a year. Let's go get the former number one overall pick and see if LeBron and Luca can get something out of them. So this is just classic buy-low, and you know, you take a lottery ticket on it and see if it works.

Yeah, yeah. It's, they really got, you know, when Clint Capella goes back to Houston and Lopez goes to the clippers, you're like, okay. I mean, I, listen, if you'd ask them a week ago if they wanted DeAndre Aten, there would have been a, you know, like a warning sign in front of DeAndre Aiden. Yeah, this is not option A, B, or C, right? like Dallas I mean Dallas is going to hold on to all of their bigs which was I know like some people thought that like either live or like lively or Gafford was going to be available you know so like so that that one's a little surprising but they're clearly holding on to everybody at least for now so there's no there's no way d'Andre a

was was option a and again we still don't know exactly what lebaran will do but catching lob passes from lucid d'an can do that just don't drop offense for him, and you're going to be very disappointed with him defensively. Well, and I also think we have to be so that Walter Group comes in. One of the things they've done with the Dodgers is they've made the games, as the world's becoming events, the Olympics do well, Caitlin Clark games do well, the World Cup does well, the Gold Cup's done well. If you can make stuff feel like an event, NFL, college football, events work in a distracted

nation. I mean, everybody's on their phone, right? And the truth is, if I said it to you out loud, LeBron, Luca, Aiton, Reeves, J.J. Reddick's coach. It does, the Dodgers have done this. They've made their Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday night games at Dodgers Stadium. Like, feel big. I mean, I'm home in L.A. when I was in L.A. And if the Dodgers are on, I'm like, oh, Tani's batting. There's Mookie and Freddie Freeman and Max Muncie are like, is this an all-star game? They, They feel huge from the sound of LeBron, Luca Reeves, the Andre J.J. Redick coaching. It feels big. It may be the sixth best team in the West, but it feels like it's the could buy for the championship.

But be honest. Can't you just stop at LeBron and Luca in L.A.? I don't think so anymore. I don't. Really? So like, so you're telling me movie stars courtside, LeBron James, Luca Donchage, you think Austin Reeves and DeAndre Aiton is tipping some sort of scale there? I think they're J.J. Reddick felt like a star. I think J.J. Reddick got that job.

I'll buy that. Yep. But I don't know that I think that like all of a sudden like Timothy Shalame is like, God, I got to be courtside to see DeAndre Ate. Well, in my in my time in Los Angeles, the Dodgers have completely separated from the Lakers as the biggest show in town. Like, it's not close. Everybody, all you see in L.A. is Dodger hats. Everybody in L.A. is a Dodger fan. I mean, it's really an incredible separation. Like, Chicago has always been like Bears Cups. It feels big, right?

And it's like, and it just depends on the season, the off season for the Dodgers, because they get the best players in the world. I mean, there's like multiple blogs that have succeeded on Dodger talk. So I think they have to get. back to feeling big. And I think the other thing is Los Angeles is a very savvy basketball market. You got two teams. The fans really know.

Like I said this years and years ago, when I was out east, you would go to a Boston and Yankee game in New York. The fans knew the lineup. Oh, yeah. They would be, I mean, they knew, you know, if Joe Torrey went to the pan. Get a lefty up, Corey. What are you doing? Yes.

He's hanging the curveball. He's out. Get him out. Yeah, of course. Yeah, there's a lot of fan bases, Charlotte and the NFL, where they're there for the cheap beers and the good son or something. You know, like L.A. is a smart basketball market. If you don't have a center, oh, we have 41-year-old LeBron and Luca who's finally working out. That's not fans there, no. Jackson Hayes, J.J. Reddick can't stand him. He doesn't want him on the floor. So I think Aiton makes them feel like athletic and big and viable. It feels bigger because I think Laker fans are smart. I really do. I think it's one of the smarter fan bases in the country where they know the difference between, you know,

influencers don't care, but real basketball fans, and there are many in L.A. get, you can't compete in the West without a big camp. But we're also immediately having a reaction to this news by saying that this was optioned in C or D for them and it probably isn't going to work. But he is, Aiton is entertaining. He feels, I mean, he is, if I told you on a nightly basis, oh, you've got to see this Aton Dunk or this, he'd be like, oh, yeah. I mean, he does feel at times offensively like a star. No, he has, he, listen, he has his moments, he's very talented.

And, again, he's not as bad as people have made him out to be. Like, the guy can, if you can be an 18 and 10 guy and go 58% from the floor, that's, that's that's something now it's not luca but it's something no his problem has always been he views himself as a 26 and a half point of game guy like he sees himself as like a like he feels like he's he's never been given the respect he deserves but the truth is his coaches and teammates think he's getting more than he deserves right well there was i always love the story of um mario chalmers on the dwayne lebron miani he and there was like you know not confirmed it was like urban legend that he was like hey why do you never draw up the final

player or the final shot for me he's like you know i've hit one of i've hit a big shot or two in my career and it's like buddy a shot for kansas we got lebron you know there there can't be like an overinflated sense of self but i would hope that when diondrey aiton looks around the huddle and he sees lucca and lebron he's not going to be busting j j reddick like hey why aren't you drawn up the play for me coach i do think what is interesting, and we got a lot of things to talk about. But I was talking to the staff before we did this is most of the time, if there's a sort of a trend in sports, I love decoding it. It's one of my favorite things to do. Like, I've got my theories and beliefs. The NBA West is now so much

better than the East. It has been for 30 years. And a lot of it's just because bad ownership in Charlotte and Chicago and Atlanta and Washington. That's like the all. That's like the all. bad owner front office teams are all mostly out east. The West Denver and Houston now are capable of winning the title. OKC just did. San Antonio is going to make a huge leap. Minnesota's really, really good. The Lakers have Austin Reeves, LeBron, and Luca. Golden State has Butler Drain on and staff, and the Clippers are viable. You could argue all of those teams. I mean, the Warriors were a playing team last year. All right. All of them could compete for the Eastern Conference finals.

I'm not sure they could win it. I don't think the Clippers could win it. But it is interesting. The only thing I can account for the dominance, it's like SEC times two. Like the SEC had a 20-year run, but now the Big Ten feels as good or better. The West is pulling away. Some of it's just Tatum and Halliburton's injuries. My guess is its ownership stinks out east.

That's, I mean, the Knicks firing Tibbs. I mean, any thoughts on the domination? It's a winter league and the weather's better out west. Yeah, I think that's actually a piece of it, right? I think, like, some of it is people want to go to L.A. That's two of the teams. The Warriors became a juggernaut, world-class organization, Silicon Valley business. That's out what all these guys now have podcast companies and media companies and all of that.

Your ownership point out east is luck of the draw. Some of it is lottery, too, right? Like, the Spurs won the lottery in the Wenveniama year, West. Dallas wins the lottery in the Cooper Flag year, West. You didn't mention Dallas. Dallas has Kyrie, Anthony Davis, and Cooper Flag. You're right. I forgot to put Dallas, and there's six teams I love.

Right, exactly. So, like, some of it is blind luck. Some of it is weather. And, you know, Miami has been an attractive. destination and they're just a little down right now right like they easily could have gotten kd and i would not have loved that tyler hero bam out of bio kevin durant big three as like an NBA champion contender but we certainly would have talked about them as being viable in the eastern conference and this isn't what your main point was but i'm going to bring it up anyway because i'm fascinated

by it i think that what milwaukee did make made sense i know they're getting killed for it but they were just the five seed in the east. You are as much of an NBA fan and historian as I am. Can you think of, because I have a period of time that I'm thinking of, where the gap between the best player in a conference and the second best player in a conference has been larger than what it will be next year between Janus and the second best player in the east without Jason Tatum? because like second best player in the East next year. Kate Cunningham. Jalen Brown. Bancaro. Bencaro, sure.

Jalen Brunson. Like, Janus is 30, 12, and 6 and still a top 15 to 20 defensive player in the league. And the only reason he's not top five defensively is because he's doing so much damn work on offense. Like, they were just the five seed. They absolutely believe that they can win. and they might be dead-ass wrong.

And they gave up everything for Dame and Drew and then Dame got hurt and not like Miles Turner's game. But Milwaukee is saying, Janus gave us everything, including a title, and he wants to be Kobe. He wants to be Tim Duncan. He wants to be here forever. So in the East, why can't he grind us to 50 weeks? wins and the four seed and his third MVP, which would be there's only nine guys in NBA history who won three or more MVP's. And like that season, even if it doesn't end in a title, that's a season that Bucks fans would love. Like that, that's a worthwhile exercise and professional

sports entertainment. I think if the Bucks with Janus and the Dame injury and the salary cap situation and the lack of draft picks, if they were New Orleans, if they were in the West, they would trade Janus. But they look at it and they say, we've got the best player in the history of the franchise at the peak of his powers who wants to be here. He's not looking for Miami or L.A. or movie stardom or anything like that. Like, okay, fine. We'll stretch game and we're going to just try to grind out as many wins as possible. I think there's something admirable in it, even if it won't end in a championship.

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And so Milwaukee has never gotten the coach right. And it's also not a desirable area. And in my life, and we're seeing it now in the 70s, and now we're seeing it over the last seven years. It's just one, there's no great teams with the new CBA and Aprons. There won't be.

You just can't do it. I mean, even a team I like next year a lot, Orlando, they may never win a title. Just have a bunch of 1A player and a bunch of B plus A minus guys. But in NBA history, that sometimes one is enough, think about how good the Shaq, Penny, Nick Anderson, Dennis Scott teams were. Yeah. No titles. Think how good the Sacramento Kings were. They couldn't get through the Lakers. No titles. Is that Lulal Cinder got one, Yolkich got one. My take is, OKC won't win it next year.

They're too inconsistent offensively in Houston now and Denver, all these teams. in the West, they're just going to chip away at everybody, is that if you win one, and you have Janice, and you win one, and you still have a wildly productive player, but you can't get the coach right, and you get old really fast, which happened in Milwaukee three years ago, Middleton, lower body injuries, you're like, yeah, this is getting old fast, is that when you watch the Rudy Gobert trade, I would have gone, oh, we can get six uncontested, unconstested. at first round picks, an All-Star and two rotational players. But I do think smaller markets, the Orlando's and the Sacramentoes, they hold on to stuff

because it's the big show in town. It's of mice and men, Lenny, squeezing. They can't let go. And it's like, guys, you have been so old and such a bad matchup against younger athletic teams like Boston for three years. I mean, I think people are forgetting. They were favored over Indiana. And Indiana destroyed them.

The games were competitive. Yeah. I mean, listen, I think there is some truth to that. But there's also, like, they've had bad injuries at bad times. Like, I was at game one, Buck's Heat, and it was the one seed v. the eight seed, and they lose to Miami. Janus falls on his back in the playoffs, gets hurt. isn't the same guy the rest of the series. Dame hurt in the playoffs.

It doesn't play this whole series. Middleton has gotten hurt in the playoffs. I think they got one and then they haven't won playoff series since and were the national responses like, oh, well, so then they haven't been close since. In Milwaukee, they're like, well, we've also had bad injury luck to go along with it. And you're definitely right. They want to hold on to it. and it's the big game in town. But has Utah won the Rudy Gobert trade?

Like, the team that trades the superstar for the four or five or six assets, there's not a lot of examples of it working out. It worked out in Oklahoma City. They traded Paul George and they get SGA and a draft pick that becomes Jalen Williams. But they also had Sam Presti doing the trading and the drafting. And there aren't many of those guys out there. Like, what's a trade for Yonan? where you're going to turn around and be like,

yup, the bucks are going to be back in the NBA finals in three years. Okay, this is the one. So KD, Shen Goon, Amon, Thompson, don't win. They don't even get to the finals. And Katie's one year older. And then Houston says, Fratita says, okay, we're going for it. Okay, we're going to go for it. Shen Goon, an All-Star, Friannis.

Jabari Smith, who's going to back up KD this year. Sure. And five unprotected first round picks and maybe a deep bench rotational players. Now it's KD, Amand Thompson, Janus, and other young guys. Oh, I get why Houston would want it? But if I'm Milwaukee, I get, I mean, Shengoon's going to be a 24-point-a-game guy for next to eight years. He's really a beautiful player. Yeah.

So is DeMontes-Simonis. The bonus. What is he won? Well, no, no. Okay. Okay. Okay. That's fair. It's fair. But then I get Jibar. It's hard. It's hard. My point, my point is it's, I think you're always going to lose on that trade. And even if your point is, okay, well, 80 cents on the dollar is better than 50 cents on the dollar. There's something to, and I think we can be a little national, remove fandom, live in a bunch of different places. There's something to Janus loving Milwaukee and Milwaukee loving Janus. He was the 15th pick in the draft. He was a skinny kid from Greece. And when he came to Milwaukee, you can Google the stories. The NBA was buying the arena back from the bucks because they were like,

Yes, I remember. You need to get public financing for your stadium or we are going to move your team. And they got the financing. They opened the building. Ownership says this is a commitment to show that we can build around and win with Janus. They built a new practice facility, a beautiful new arena. And then he delivers a championship. And this is just a silly anecdote that I happen to know just from being in Chicago.

But like, Janus, whenever he would come and play the Bulls, he would go to, you You probably know Avley, the Greek restaurant. There's one in... Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, so the guy who owns it is Lou Canellis, the local sports anchor on the Fox affiliate in Chicago. He's a restaurant tour also. It's probably his main business by now.

There's one in... There's like five locations, four or five locations, in around Chicago. And there's one in Milwaukee that Janus... Everyone was like, oh, Janus is going to leave Milwaukee and go to the Bulls because he wants to, like, have all the good Greek restaurants in Chicago. And he's like, no, I'm just going to open a good Greek restaurant in Milwaukee. Like, he brought the Greek food to Milwaukee. Like, the guy, it's a throwback, man. Like,

we, like, Steph Curry is the Warriors. It would be weird if he played somewhere else. Tim Duncan was the Spurs. Kobe was the Lakers. Like, there's, I am just rooting for the purity of the 15th pick in the draft who delivers the title to the small market. And he's like, I'm happy. I'm happy. I'm not messing with happy. I don't think it could, I don't think, I don't think you're, you like moving, you like L.A. You're like, you're like, I like London and L.A. and Europe and backpacking and biking and like, you like moving around. And I get it. But this guy, I think he just likes Milwaukee. I think we project, we project onto Janus would we, we want Janus to play for a championship again. And he's like, Right. And he's like, why can't I play for a championship here? And he's probably wrong. Yeah. But he's probably wrong. But I think there's something admirable in like the effort, like the tribe. Okay. So you're more of a sports romantic. I think you have that part. I can be. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I can be. So let's then segue to a topic I saw this week.

So this is something that I've never understood. I don't understand the advantage of it. Back in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s. When the NFL, you literally could be average at quarterback and winner division regularly. You ran the ball, you played defense, the NFL allowed all sorts of clutching and grabbing and hitting late. I mean, there's videos of Joe Montana being. slammed to the turf, which would get you thrown out for like six games now.

So I never understood snow games, but I do think there was an era in which, if you were built right, run game, weren't great at quarterback, defense, snow games were a little bit of an advantage. But Cleveland, the Cleveland Browns come out over the last week, and they're like, we're coming out with a new stadium. And people are like, oh, my God. there goes the home field advantage. I'm like, you have a horrible home record over the last three decades first.

But my takeaway is it's a quarterback league. Snow, Brady is an exception that I would watch him and Manning play in Snow, and I'm like, oh, Tom's winning the game. I can tell him pregame. They take that shot on CBS and Manning would be freezing in Fox probably. Tom's winning. It's over. is that the snow game today, there's not many of them it feels like, but I think it's always been completely overrated.

There's a reason we play ball games in better weather. I don't want my football screwed with by ice storms and sleet, and I think it remains the most overrated thing in American sports, the snow football game. I want my games to be played like they are supposed to be played, so I'm glad the Super Bowl is in a dome. Right. I do.

But I like December regular season games in snow. Like I think there is something to like lamp. Like there's like some stadiums that should just be grandfathered in. Like Fenway is like a little bit of a pain in the ass. But you'd be bummed if they changed Fenway. Wrigley. They've renovated Wrigley and they've made it better with video boards and accessibility and all of that. but like that is still a brick wall out there covered by ivy it's not like the most practical thing in the world right like if pete crow armstrong who's going to be the starting center fielder for the national league ran into the brick wall and broke his shoulder we would do the topic of like should there be a brick wall in center field that's pretty that's pretty dangerous that's pretty archaic but there's a charm to it it doesn't have to make sense lambo like if the so you'd say

that the Packers should put a roof on Lambeau Field? No, I think... Exactly. Yeah, I mean, I think Green Bay is what Green Bay is. I think it's history is the frozen tundra and Vince Lombardi. Right. Because it doesn't make any sense for an NFL team to be in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Right? If we were starting the league tomorrow from scratch and you picked 32 cities,

we wouldn't pick Green Bay. But we all agree the NFL is better with Green Bay existing. What is laughable about the Bears is Green Bay is always drafted quarterbacks, Farr, Aaron, and Love with above average arms, and the Buffalo Bills with Jim Kelly and Josh Allen, understand the value of a whip in northern climates. That's why it was always indefensible when Mitch Tribusky, whose ball died 24 yards down the field was drafted by the bears.

It's like, is there a dome stadium that was just agreed to that I'm not aware? Like, there's some teams that don't even understand. The weather advantages this. Dome team draft Tua. Warm weather, Tua. If you draft them in cold, you're idiotic and should be fired as a general manager, right? Right. Like the Yankees are going to be in the market for every lefty slugger because they have a short

portion right. You know what I mean? There's something to it. But so I hear what you're saying about outdoor stadiums, but it's like if we don't want Arrowhead to go away and we don't want Lambo to go away, then like I understand Cleveland fans bitching and moaning about the dome too.

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We do a topic. I want to do a topic. All right, go ahead. It's your podcast, but I'll do a topic. Yeah. Congratulations on making it to the Radio Hall of Fame. Thank you. And you can put this at the end or you can scrub it out entirely.

I don't know, but I hope you don't. But you have started and developed a very successful business. You are a legend in the industry. You have conquered multiple medios. And I know that Hall of Fame talk on talk shows is Pete Rose a Hall of Famer. Is it a museum? Is he a first ballot guy? Right.

Is he overrated? Is he snubbed? Will you admit that it meant something to you? Oh, God, sure. Yes. Because the radio purest in me, because I will always consider. I consider myself a radio guy, and I know you're the same. Yeah, I'm the same.

It's so cool. It's so cool. Yeah, it is. Congratulations. But you know what? Oh, thank you very much. So it's weird because as my staff knows, I take so much pride in topic selection. And I know the audience doesn't care.

You do. Nick does. I got some of the nicest note, Joe Fortinbaugh, old boss. old bosses, people that love radio, sent me the sweetest, kindest notes. Listen, I was seven years old, rural. My mom got me a transistor radio. You know, this was 1972, 73. There weren't that many games on TV.

ESPN wasn't a thing. And radio was my friend. I'm rural. Like, I was eight miles from the closest friend. and I would sit in our Frank Lloyd Wright House on the second, there was a picnic table in the back patio, I'd get on it, go to the second floor. And for some reason, there was this weird vortex where all these AM radio signals came in. And I would sit there listening to baseball games. And I heard Vin Scully when I was eight on a scratch.

It was KFI or something in L.A. Whatever it was, and it was scratchy. I would take notes. I would write down. I would get names. I was, you know, radio's always been something I love. Now, once I went to simulcast, I have to play the TV a lot. That's the reality of it.

TV's bigger. It's a huge deal. I don't get terribly emotional about stuff. I've seen everything now at this point, but my wife knows how much it means. You know, my friends know how much it means. It's a big deal for me. And I don't want to be self-congratulatory. But yeah, for in my life, it's been one of my goals.

Really? Okay, see, I wasn't sure. I wasn't sure. Yeah. And the reason I didn't send you a text because I knew I was already booked for this when the news came out. I wanted to do it face-to-face. But you inspired so many people of like Nick and my's generation to do radio. And then Nick and I would always joke. And I think he said it to you. And I'm not sure if I had. But then you also kind of like ruined the next generation of radio hosts because people would try to be you and like try to do. But your brain is so. singular in terms of the analogies and the comparisons and like it was an amazing thing and then you would hear people try to be you and it was like no man this is like a one of one talent that you've

crushed it in podcasting and TV and all that but like it was made for radio because the beauty of radio is that you've got the long runway you've got the runway to tell the story to be personal to be vulnerable to to be circuitous if you want to talk about the fandom in L.A. of a L.A. person and then relate that to why they can be savvy with basketball but still care about start. Like it's like it's perfect for radio. It's also perfect for podcasting. I understand how podcast is kind of replaced radio. But it's it you really deserve it and you I don't know how many more people in generations after you, if any, will have a big impact on the genre of radio just because it's changed. Like it's, you know what?

Like there was going to have to be like a podcasting Hall of Fame. Like people younger than Colin Calhird that made a real impact in radio, it's a short list, man. Like, because it's just, it's not as influential anymore, sadly. And so like, you are probably one of the last, like, truly radio titans. Other people will get in. Like, they'll keep inducting people. But in terms of people. people who meant more to the medium than you,

there'll be some who meant as much or on your level, because I'm just not thinking of Ryan Seagrest, I don't know if he's in, he meant a lot to, right, you know what I don't know. There's probably a few more, but like, you're one of the last ones, man. You meant a ton to radio. So I just want to say congratulations.

Well, I appreciate that. I think sometimes I've told people before growing up divorced by myself. My sister was five years older. I wrote about it in my first book. I was actually lucky. I had all the things needed to tell good stories on the radio.

I was by myself, really all the time. I can remember playing, and I know I'm going on and on about this, but people love this, and we can cut it, but don't. Okay. So when I was a little kid,

like eight, nine, 10 years old, that kind of thing, in the mid-70s, the Cincinnati Reds were a great team, and I love them. Yeah. And I can still give you the entire roster of the Reds and the Dodgers. And, I mean, the infields were legendary, Garvey and Lopes and Russell and Ron Say against, you know, it's like, you know, Tony Perez and Joe Morgan and Dave Concepcion and Pete Rose III.

And I would do lineups and I would play wiffle ball by myself. So I would throw the ball up, hit it. And I do remember there was a moment. And I wrote about this in the book that I was obviously bored because we had these trees and right. field. And I had Cesar Geronimo, who I never saw hit a home run, hit a home run in my mind and wiffleball. And I remember thinking, I went and got the ball, and I didn't have the self-awareness before this. I was probably nine or ten. And I thought, man, I'm alone a lot. I'm alone a lot. And it really hit me that I was talking to myself all the time. And like out loud in the yard,

like just talking to myself doing the games. And so when people have ever asked me, you know, you kind of talk to yourself a lot. And I'm like, like Larry King, the late Larry King once came up. And he goes, how do you talk to yourself three hours a day? I said, you should hear the other 14. I said, Larry, this is just what I've been doing since I've been like six or seven because I grew up really by myself. My sister was five years older.

So, you know, she's out of high school. But the time I get into it, 14-year-old girls don't want to hang out with nine-year-old boys. Like, nine-year-old boys are down to hang out with 14-year-old girls. Yeah, yeah, but not the other. So a lot of the things in my life, growing up in the middle of nowhere, I think probably this manufactured, this kind of odd talking to yourself personality that works. Yeah.

Well, no. And that makes perfect sense, too, why you've never really, I mean, obviously, you know, J-Mac and whatever, but, like, also why you've been a solo act. it's hard to do. You know what I mean? I take a lot of pride in being able to do it. Solo radio is hard. It's a hard thing to do.

So here's an interesting one. I'll throw this at you. So if you took, I think there's 360 Division I won men's programs. As far as I can tell, men's basketball programs, a woman's never coached them. in the history of the NBA, there's never been a head coach of an NBA team.

I guess if you went and found the top 25 boys basketball teams, they'd probably be coached by guys. Now, obviously, men coach women all the time. You know, we see that, WNBA, we see it in college, high school, whatever. But it doesn't go the other way. The door doesn't open the other way. So when Don Staley got talked about for the Knicks, and I've thought about this before,

I've thought about, I think it would actually potentially work. Now, New York's not easy. It's a relentless media that just ran Tibbs out of the building. It's like, I think New York wouldn't, I wouldn't want that to make the test case for it. Can we go to, you know, can we go to Orlando? Can we go somewhere where the media is not as loud and relentless and brutal? But when I thought about Don Staley, I thought, well, Tibbs just, they just had the best season in 25 years. going to Don Staley, it's a little odd for that situation in this organization.

But I do think, like Becky Hammond has been discussed. And I think about it because, and one of the reasons being is, like, if you picked a sport in the world and you said, like, soccer and women's basketball, Caitlin Clark can make shots that NBA players cannot make consistently. She is a better shooter than half the NBA. I'm absolutely sure of it. And I do think when you watch women's soccer, not as good as a man, but we've had so much success in the country. But I do think that there's something about basketball and that you are seeing, I remember watching Maya Moore and thinking she can make a division one team.

My Amora, Cheryl Miller, make a division one team. Do you believe, I do think there will be a female NBA coach eventually. And I think part of it is that women. basketball, Caitlin Clark's a great example. She's doing things. I have never seen. Would you want Miles Turner taking a 33-foot shot? No.

Yeah. She's a better shooter than half the NBA. Yeah. So, okay, I think these are two separate points. When I was reporting Pipeline to the Pros, the book that I wrote about the D3 coaches and players who made their way, the NBA coaches and executives, You know, you talked to a lot of coaches and executives, both the D3 people and then the people who hired them and helped them kind of break in. And one of the lines of questioning that I would ask the Jeff Van Gundy's, the Stan Van Gundy's of the world was like, what's it like being you, the five foot nothing, a hundred and nothing, you know, white schlub and trying to get Patrick Ewing's respect.

Like, what's that like? and there were some great stories of being tested and being doubted. But almost universally, there was just a through line was, even if you were doubted or if you were tested or if, you know, Ty Lou didn't have to clear that hurdle because they knew that he knew it because he had played. All these players wanted you to be a. able to prove to them was, can you help them get better? Yep, that's simple. It was because that can get them their next contract. It can extend their career. It can help get them a ring.

It can get them a legacy. It can get them that had their jersey retired. It can get them a media career out. Like, whatever it is, right? Like, it can, a good coach can level you up a little bit. And so I don't think it's ridiculous at all. And if Don Staley got the Knicks job, I completely agree with you. There would have just been an extra level of the circus because of James Dolan. James Dolan. James Dolan, Tibbs, the first woman, New York, the media market, the whole thing. That may be the toughest job in the league, honestly.

No doubt. I completely agree with you. But I also don't think that Don Staley is the only woman who is capable of doing it. So, like, say it did happen and then say she failed, I don't think that would, like, set back the idea of it 20 years. Like, there's more than 30 competent coaches who could coach NBA teams. Right. You know, there just is. And so some of it is opportunity.

Some of it's, you host a podcast with LeBron. Some of it's just, like, these owners lack creativity and they keep hiring Doc Rivers. and like, you know, like, whatever it is. There's a lot of different reasons why the people who get the jobs get the jobs. But someone will do it. Yeah. And then it will work. And then five or six women will be coaching in the NBA.

And someone will write the, wow, there's all these D3 people coaching in the NBA. How the hell did that happen? And then someone will write that book. You know, I don't think it is going to be, it hasn't happened. and it's a little ridiculous that it hasn't, but it's going to happen. Because there's also really talented female assistant coaches on not every staff in the league, but a huge percentage of shooting coaches, advanced scouts. Most teams have a woman somewhere in the first or second row of their bench at this point.

So basketball is so much closer to it than football. Well, and also, and I know there'll be somebody. listening to this thinking, oh, it's woke. The truth is, the NBA is a more progressive league. So if any league was going to do it, it would be the NBA. Yeah. And they talk more politics than any league. That's just the history of the league. Yeah. And I also, I'm just, I'm so sick and tired of being policed by people being like, oh, that's a woke thought. Like, it's, it's not a pejorative. Shut up. I don't, I don't care. I don't care. Like, you know, okay, fine. Fine.

Fine. Make your comment on your blog. Oh, it's a woke thought that a woman could teach about the drop coverage in a, I'm not asking her to do a 360 dunk. Like, I'm not asking her to guard LeBron. Like, have you seen, again, like, Stan Van Nundee. There's this crazy video of people should watch it of him doing like a little dribble combo move. And he like goes between the legs, between the legs and behind the back. And he's just like messing around before a practice. And it went viral and it got like millions of views. And they were like, how does the like short fat white guy know how to dribble a basketball? And it's like, well, he played. Like he played D3 ball. Like he can, his mind is a better teacher of basketball than his athleticism allowed him to do it.

But he crossed a threshold where like, well, he could play at a high enough level to know enough about the game to be able to speak to players. Clearly there are. And the truth is. same thing. How many great players in any sport have been great coaches? The truth of the matter, it's often somebody who has played the sport a little men or women, but have this sort of, they were a utility infielder in baseball. They were, you know, I mean, it's like the truth is coaches usually have to,

you have to get respect from players because like Larry Bird is the rare legend who coaches and you're like, oh, he's competent. That's rare. So you always have to get buy-in from players. players in all sports. Like Mike Vrable, physical you get buy-in, one of the smartest, but it looks like you beat up half the team. Like, there's a physical presence with Vrable. Like, he gets immediate buying. Mike McDaniel, though, I'll argue this all day. Mike McDaniel had to convince those guys. He looks like a sports writer. He's snarky and funny like a writer. Like, he doesn't

walk into a room of 55 alpha male and there's like complete buy-in. I guarantee you, he thought a lot about that in football especially because it's a size league yeah of course and but like in basketball like your con the only comment in here that i was like i'm not even sure like i don't know what myamore's level would have been because you don't see like katelyn clark playing in pickup games with kevin durant in the off reason right like right like we're not we're not anywhere close to a woman playing in the NBA right but coaching yeah that's not that that's not that's not that's not not a leap to me in any way. Like, they already do.

Like, they already coach in the NBA right now. So, like, to be the head coach is not some sort of crazy thing for me to wrap my mind around. And my understanding is it's not a crazy thing for players to wrap their mind around either. As long as you can have one assistant coach described it to me as, like, they just want to know that you have the answer to the test. Yep. Yeah.

Like, like, they, there was like a hand signal that a point guard was calling out. And LeBron looked to this assistant coach, and the assistant coach didn't have it. And he said it ruined, like, his month because he felt like he had let LeBron down. He didn't have the signal in the scouting report. And he was a new coach on the staff. And he felt like he had to, like, earn his trust back. And, like, they talked about it afterwards. And it was this whole big thing.

And he's like, I felt like he was testing me. He wasn't. He was just asking what the call was from the other team in the scouting report. But, like, there's no doubt that that's going to have. happen in basketball because, of course, a woman could pass that test. No question. You know what's funny? Maybe we can end it here because I've always thought this funny. Like, sports is always trying to kind of manufacture parity. You know, you win, you, you, you, when you win, you know, you get the last draft pick. Yeah. And there's limitations, you know, the lottery is set up to, you know, even though the number one team doesn't win, it's usually like the fourth or fifth best odds win. A bad team gets good player.

I think a lot of times the media, the two things the media does that I kind of roll my eyes at, they make everything feel like the end of the world. I mean, people have to remember. I'm old enough. I don't remember this, but I remember my dad and mom. And people talked about this. In the 60s, our president was assassinated. So was his brother.

So was MLK, middle of a Vietnam War, and by 72 were in Watergate. you think we have chaos now with tariffs. Like, folks, like the media tends to make every current bit of turbulence seem like, I mean, I thought our COVID coverage, it was okay for about two months because it was new. We didn't know what was happening. But it did get to a point after about six months. We're not all going to die. Like, there was pretty obvious stuff that we were seeing that kids were safe. you could go to school.

It was mostly 75 and older. Like in the media, for about two years, the stories were it was relentless run for your life. So that's my first thing that drives me nuts. It's that we have to be a little less hyperbolic. And I think about this all the time as a sports guy. The second thing is we can be naive a little bit. And so I remember when these, the media can be like, guys, you're being idealistic. And I understand the media is young and hopeful.

But when the NIL came out, I can remember a lot of these stories. And I can remember fans doing this. You know what? Finally, Purdue can compete. Now, because everybody said anybody can transfer. You won't have to sit behind Ohio State's left tackle. You can go. And I look at today, Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, Georgia, is that I think the NIL and transfer portal are fascinating.

One, players needed to be paid. And two, I think the transfer portal, I think you should have to wait 18 months to transfer. Like, I think you should be able to transfer two or three times. You can't keep transferring. Don't tell me coaches do. Power five coaches don't transfer every six weeks. That's not the way it works. But I guess my point is, do you love college sports less now that money is involved?

Because I have friends who are like, I hate. the NIL. My take is, yeah, when the Huskies end up in the playoff, you'll be watching when Washington's facing Notre Dame. Don't tell me that. But I hear this all the time. NIL transfer portals ruined it for me. Yeah, I don't. No, I don't. I mean, they were getting paid before. They were just like, I remember the point guard of the Syracuse basketball team when I was there driving like a Dodge Charger that was all souped up. And I was like, how, where'd that come from? know what I mean? Like, how did that happen?

And so, you know, it's just, that part never bothered me. I think what is dumb about it is that we went from guys getting suspended for selling their Sugar Bowl jersey. And that was the biggest, I mean, Terrell Pryor. It was the biggest story in the world. Remember that. And right? And now it's like, oh. this guy got four million dollars to transfer and it's like well wait what and I have no problem

go get go get your money but I they because they had their head in the sand for so long and they just let it be the wild west for so long and they fought against unionization and they fought against revenue sharing and they fought against the video game and like all of the things that just like, wait, I can, I can buy a Syracuse 15 jersey, but it can't say Anthony on the back. And so, like, Mello doesn't get a piece of the cut. Like, what? Like, like, it was just so stupid for so long that now the only thing that bothers me about it is that it's, not that it's so far the other way, but it's like, people like, oh, that Cooper Flagg made $20 million in name, image and likeness last year.

And it's like, can you prove that? Like, I wish there was like a, I like that I know what Aaron Rogers signed for. I like what I know what LeBron gets paid. Like, I, there's a salary gap. It makes it easy to find and follow. And you can play GM and fantasy football and trades and dynasty mode and Mad. And like a lot of us like following sports from like the GM perspective of it because we never had any chance to be the quarter.

quarterback of the team. And now it's just like, who's paying for the point guard? It's, it's underarmor or it's Nike or it's a car dealership. Like, it's just, I wish that there was more transparency in how it all worked, as opposed like, oh, Archmanning has a reported $6 million NIL deal. And it's like, well, who's reporting it? From where? Is it a booster? Is it a sponsor? I just wish that it was more transparent so that we could follow it and understand it more. Georgia has $50 million in their fund. Purdue has $6 million in theirs. That's really impressive that Purdue is able to be the Billy Bean Oakland athletics of the Big Ten and like punch above their weight class and compete with Ohio State.

But we're just in the dark on all of the money of it like we always were, frankly. But it's like they're trying to tell us, oh yeah, they're getting paid and it's all above board. But it's clearly still not. And I don't know if I'm rambling here a little bit or if you're following what I'm saying. No, no, no. But it's like we need to have a happy medium. There's clearly billions of dollars and more of it is going to the players.

And that's good. But it's not regulated in any way that makes sense. And it's not regulated in any way that a fan can realistically follow. And so I think that that, it doesn't make me like it less, but it makes me understand it less. Like, why did this player transfer there? Why are they leaving after one year? How much money are they getting? Oh, I would transfer there too if maybe they were giving me $4 million in this place

is only giving me $1 million. But I want that to be above board and reported with some level of accuracy. And I feel like it's not at all. Yeah, the thing about the one thing I'll say about the transfer portal, I think Jay Billis is a really smart guy. I think he's really wrong on one thing when he says, well, coaches can transfer why can't players? And my take is because Eric Shanks is responsible for all of Fox Sports. I'm just responsible for my show. A coach isn't a player. A coach is responsible for the staff, the brand, the name, the player's responsible for himself. Right. So in the end,

if a coach gets bought out, if the athletic department like makes him pay, pay some money back and he leaves. That's not a player leaving. Let's, I mean, people, bosses I've had at, the big companies I've worked at have pensions that I'm not allowed to get. I'm just an employee, their management. So the only thing I hear about, well, well, players, you know, coaches, coaches are management. Management's different. Management has things they will never let you see. There are documents that management has at Fox Sports. I don't get to see where they're going, what they're doing, what corners coming up. the contract negotiations, players don't get to see everything coaches do. You don't get all the

information. You don't have to balance the budget. You don't have to be a capologist. So that my thing on, I don't believe players should be able to just transfer constantly. I think like every 18 months, that will give you two transfers. Basically, if you stay for four or five years, you get two transfers outside of your initial signing. You can sign transfer transfer. Yeah, I think that's reasonable. I think that if you're a kid who's going to a college because the coach recruited you and then the coach leaves, I also think that should open you up. So if I sign on to play college football once and Dobbo and Davo and then Davo decides to leave, like I think that that is a reasonable thing for a kid to be able to say, well, wait, I signed on to play for this coach and now this coach is not there anymore. so I want to be able to move. But also, kids should be able to go to coplitzer they want to, for the most part, right?

Yeah, I think, again, I think you have to have guardrails on everything. Yeah, I think just everything needs guardrail. AI. Sure, sure. AI needs it. The Internet needs it. I don't think it's crazy. I've said this before Canada's got certain restrictions.

Like, you have to want a Canadian radio station, play Canadian. Canadian artists a percentage of the time. I've never thought it's crazy to restrict some of the things all out on the Internet. Every other country does. Like to just say, hey, listen, we're not going allow like blank, blank, blank, like heavy violence on it. We're not going to allow that. I don't think I don't think I'm punitive or ultra-conservative. Like, there's crap in the internet. Kids shouldn't see. And if we can't tell, you know, parents, some parents at six let their kids get on the internet. Well, then we shouldn't, we should have things that are completely absolutely restricted. Yeah. Reasonable restrictions for the, right? There's, there's a reason

why there are seatbelt laws because it's a good idea. It's a good idea. To protect people from themselves, et cetera. I know, I got no problem with that. But I just, like, the, you ask, like, does it make me like it less? It doesn't make me like it less. It makes me resent the leadership a little bit more because I feel like this could have been done 20 years ago, like, in partnership with the players. Oh, you guys want to be in a video game and have your name in there and get a little bit of money? And like, we could have like eased into this as opposed to going from nothing to everything all at once.

And now it's just very messy and very confusing. And high school kids have agents. And it just, you know, it's just, it's just, it's just, it, it's just, it's just, it It went so far, so fast that I feel like it needs to come back a little bit, not in terms of like make less money, but in terms of, to your point, regulation. It needs to just make a little bit more sense as a system for the betterment of everybody. Danny Parkins. Okay, we rambled for an hour. We landed on a couple of topics.

I liked it. It was fun. Yeah, I never know. I don't prep these at all. Can't you tell? You don't tell me what's going to happen. You just talk for an hour. Clearly, I don't either.

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