The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Do The Raiders Have A Receipt For Antonio Brown?

Episode Date: August 19, 2019

Colin discusses how poorly the Oakland Raiders are run, why he wouldn’t have signed WR Antonio Brown, how Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones is handling Ezekiel Elliott and Dak Prescott, the contract of San Francisco 49ers QB Jimmy Garoppolo, and where he was right and wrong over the weekend. Guest include Peter Schrager, Drew Rosenhaus, Eric Dickerson, and Bucky Brooks.   Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You know, it wasn't long ago. My wife used to be in the restaurant business and her dad owned a restaurant for years. And so, you know, we'll play a game. We go to new restaurants all the time. You know, every month or so, we'll go to a new restaurant and she'll be like, not going to work, going to work. And she's been great. I've joked about this before. She's never been wrong. She can tell if it's a disaster. But you and I can tell sometimes because restaurants are a public business. right you walk in you see the menu you see the wait staff you see the real estate so it wasn't long ago

it was about two months ago i walked into a restaurant with my wife and i said within three minutes i'm like oh this is a disaster uh the menu it said vegetarian on the menu but they had chicken the real estate was so large there was no intimacy everything echoed there was no urgency for the wait staff um you could just walk in they had a corner lot so there was too much sun in the building so was hot and their air conditioning wasn't good enough. And again, they had vegetarian on the plastered all over the menu, but there was chicken all over the menu. So I told my wife, I'm like, you know, I'm not at a restaurateur, but they don't have any

direction. She's like, yeah, this will be out of service here in the next couple of months, depending on how much money dad gave the kids. And sure enough, a couple months in, it was done. The NFL similarly is a public business. You can watch practices. You watch games. You watch the press conferences.

You can see the uniforms. You know, they may do things behind the scenes, but there's so much analyzation now, Twitter, social media, cable TV. You can break down even what they're doing in rooms you can't see with film. The Raiders are a poorly run restaurant. I mean, think about this thing. So John Gruden takes it over and immediately gets rid of two very highly productive and low-maintenance stars.

Kaleo Mac's never in trouble. Amari Cooper's perfect. He's the opposite of a diva receiver. They get rid of stars. So the message from the restaurant is, we do not have star dishes. Then they go out and get Antonio Brown. What are you telling me as a locker room? What do you tell me as a player, as a coach, as a scout, as a consumer, as a fan?

Then they say, high character matters. So they go in the NFL draft and they actually reach for about three players. Good players, not great. They overdrafted them. But they told us it was due to character. then maybe you shouldn't acquire Vontes Burfect and Ritchie Incognito. They don't know what they're doing.

You know what this feels like? It feels like they gave power to a guy that had been out of the league for 10 years and when he wakes up in the morning, some have said this about our current president. Whatever mood he's in, that's what he's doing. That's what John Gruden's doing. He didn't like stars A-B.

Do some homework. I mean, make a few calls. When you're out of the league 10 years, I understand you lose some of your sources, but all you had to do was make a couple of calls. I said two weeks ago, I called a buddy of mine who knew Mike Tomlin. I made one call. My buddy's like, I called Tomlin.

He said it was a circus. You couldn't make a call on that? Mike Mayock had been out of the league, breaking down film, perhaps, but out of the league. This is the danger to giving unlimited power to somebody that's been out of a business for a decade. They don't have the sourcing. They don't have the connections they used to. You can break down film.

You can be Mike Mayock, you can be John Gruden, but anybody in this league that did their homework didn't want A-B. It wasn't like he had a lot of teams acquiring for him. So, and the other thing, even that offensive lineman, we haven't talked about, the Trent Brown contract. They didn't know what they were doing. They bring him in. They make him the highest paid offensive lineman in NFL history. And then they move him to right tackle. This is a hard-cap leak.

We can all blame A-B on this. But A.B. has become T.O. You know, small school guy. He's kind of volatile and anti-authority. All right. You're not going to get him to change his personality. I mean, at this age, you're not going to get me to change my personality. Listen, players are what they are.

Most of our personalities, if you go to a therapist or a psychologist, are formed by about 12 years old, maybe earlier. You're not going to change them. Football coaches aren't therapists. So you can blame A.B. All you want, but I wouldn't have acquired him because I wouldn't be able to deal as a football coach. I'm not Frazier Crane. I'm not

Dr. Laura. I'm not a trained therapist. This isn't what I do. So I would not get volatile anti-authority players. By the way, I've worked with anti-authority people. They usually leave the business and go on and open their own business. It's the way they, there's a lot of room in America for the

anti-authority figure. The artist, the musician, the individual small business owner. I've had a lot of friends. They always say, I couldn't work in corporate America. I couldn't do it. It's too regimented. I couldn't do it. I've got good friends like that. So they don't get into it. But as long as A.B. can't own his own league, then you have to be very aware of what he is. They didn't do their homework. This is what happens when you hire people outside of a business,

maybe on the periphery of it. They don't have the sources. Gruden wields too much power. He wakes up in the morning and says, A.B., I like him. What? This is the restaurant that you walk in. The menu doesn't make. sense. There's no urgency by the wait staff. It's a public business. It is very easy to see. I don't even know if Mike Mayox on the same page with John Gruden feels

like now he's kind of cleaning up some of his mess, but he had a very, you don't see GMs in the NFL do this. He called a impromptu presser yesterday on the AB helmet issue. The AB is not here today, right? So here's the bottom line. He's upset about

the helmet issue. We have supported that. We appreciate that. Okay, but we've at this point, we've pretty much exhausted all avenues of relief. So from our perspective, it's time for him to be all in, we're all out.

You can blame the NFL in the helmet issue. You can blame A.B. You can blame his agent. Blame whoever you want. But he is now an Oakland Raider because of a coach who has too much power who was out of the league for a decade just on the periphery that

didn't do his homework and makes it up every morning when he goes to work. They're just making stuff up. It's not the way to do business. Let me shift to this. Jerry Jones is toying a little bit with Zeke. Tony Pollard's great. Alfred Morris, Hall of Famer. They're toying with Zeke a lot publicly. Stephen Jones, Jerry Jones, kind of a tag team thing. They're kind of prodding Zeke, poking Zeke. They're not with DAC. It should be noted they are not with DAC. And I think this is

of the utmost respected DAC. I think they respect Dak as a kid. They respect him as a player. Jerry Jones said this weekend, and he holds him in much higher esteem than most of us do. A lot of people question whether Dak was one of those guys that need to be in the top tier.

I've never questioned that. I don't think that there's any doubt that he's in the top level of the paid quarterbacks. There's no question. in my mind about that. Now, how do we make this all fit? What can we do to have the best team around him? That's what we're trying to work on.

Now, think about this. So with Zeke, who is the best player maybe in the NFL as position, Jerry is going out publicly saying, you know, I love Tony Palmer. I have been saying this for years, Alfred Morris, get you to a Super Bowl. But with Dak, who most of us thinks around middle of the pack, it is Jerry coming out and saying, oh, I think the world of him. I think he's amazing. I think he's fantastic.

What does that tell you? It tells you ultimately that Jerry is making this decision on Dak and Zeke. He feels he can get to Zeke. He'll cave to the pressure. He's not in love with what he's doing. What it tells you is Jerry's appreciative of Dak. Do I think Dak's a great quarterback? No.

Here's the way I would look at it. much like the Raiders in the restaurant example. Every time there's a quarterback contract that is signed in recent years that we all kind of feel, it's a little much. You the public, me, the media guy, we're generally right. We didn't like Ryan Fitzpatrick Buffalo contract. We're like, that doesn't see Joe Flacco after the Super Bowl, Kirk Cousins.

We didn't like any of those contracts. We were like, they can win games, but we were all right. generally with contracts to quarterbacks, your gut feeling is right. It is. Again, it's a public business. But here's the thing with Dak and Jerry. There's two kind of contracts you can sign,

whether it's you're signing a quarterback or you're buying a house with your wife or your husband. There's the pump-the-fist contract. We stole the house. We're going to make a fortune on this house. We got the house right next to the school for our kids. I've had a couple of those in my life, real estate transactions, where I literally, you sign it, you walk out of the title company with your wife and you're like, it's a pump to fist contract.

We nailed this. We got the condo. We got the timeshare. We got the house. We got the car. You feel like you got a great deal. Okay. That's not what this is.

This is the kind of contract you sign. and as you're driving home, got the keys to the new house, you're telling your wife and she's telling you, listen, we'll make it work. We'll make it work. It's close enough to the school. The house needs some work.

But you know what? I'm going to work weekends and we're going to fix this kitchen. Not every quarterback contract is a pump your fist deal. Matt Stafford signed with the Lions years ago. said, I would have paid him. It wasn't a, yeah, we got Matt Stafford for a song. Listen, Jimmy Garoppolo was not a pump-your-fist contract. You paid him $27.5 million.

He couldn't stay healthy. There are pump-your-fist contracts, and then there are those that you're like, we're going to make it work. We're going to get Jimmy G. A better offensive line. We're going to get him some weapons. We're going to make it work. And that's what this contract's going to be.

Jay Glazer said this morning, I'm reading his mailbag on the athletic. Listen, it's going to be the $30 to $32 to $33 million deal, and it's going to happen. So that's okay. You can win a lot of games with make it work contracts. I think that's ceiling's lower. I think you're going to have to let go of maybe a great corner or a great linebacker. But this is not a we stole them. They've been doing that in New England with Tom Brady's contract.

They did that at the end with Tim Duncan's contract. Seattle, by the way, is not pumping their fist on Russell Wilson. contract. It's a Pete Carolyn John Snyder go, okay, we'll have to trade off some things. We're going to make it work contract. That's where Dallas is today. Coming up next, Jimmy Garoppolo plays tonight. It's very interesting. I want you to watch this tonight with Jimmy Garoppolo plays. There is a public narrative that we're all crossing more fingers for Garoppolo staying healthy. And if he gets hurt, it's man overboard. I'll tell you why the opposite is true. That's coming up. Plus, 45 minutes from now, Colin Wright,

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But you knew that. You did a little homework. You make a few calls. You avoid him if you can. This is all about the Raiders and their dysfunction. You can blame the NFL for the helmet. Companies have a right, especially when they're talking safety, to make flu. fluid changes whenever they want on helmets and equipment. They've done that in the steel manufacturing era for years. They've done it in the NFL. You can blame whoever you want. A.B. is back to practice.

I think he makes the Raiders very interesting. I wish they'd put more A.B. and hard knocks. We'll see this week. But that's where we stand. Also tonight, San Francisco 49ers played Denver. Jimmy Garapolo returning from his ACL injury will play. Now, he got paid based on projection over production. It happens. Used to be in the NFL, the top quarterback, like a Jamarcus Russell, the number one pick would get a fortune on projection, not production. The NFL owners hated it and changed it in the CBA. But it happens from time to time. You get kind of trapped. You have to pay a guy based on projection, not production. It's not what you'd like to do in any business. But it happens. He was 5 and 0 down the stretch in week 17. Then he got hurt week three last year. Here's what I'd say about Jimmy G.

there is this narrative out there that oh my gosh what of it doesn't work San Francisco is a great example of spot a quarterback you like pay him early because even if Jimmy G got hurt in week 12 let's say gets hurt again by the way I'm showing your video he's got a brace you do realize now right they can get rid of him and they only have a $4 million dead money cap hit next year because they spotted him early and they paid him. This is the opposite of the cowboys who waited, waited and waited and waited. Part of being an NFL GM is spotting talent and saying, okay, let's, at the quarterback position at least, let's get him paid. So that's a prime example. There is this feeling that San Francisco, oh my

Lord, they are in crisis if they're only paying him $27.5 million now. Isn't that funny how two years after the contract you're like, God, if he goes nine and seven, 10 and six, you almost feel like you're getting a bargain. That's not that much more than average guys make. By the way, the Colts did this with Andrew Luck. They paid him a bunch of money. Andrew Luck's now making like $27.5 million, $28 million. That feels like a bargain.

So if the San Francisco 49ers go 9 and 7, 27 and a half million for Jimmy G. Turn around that franchise does not feel like by any stretch. you're having to sacrifice stuff. Secondly, if he does get hurt, you move off him. Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch aren't going anywhere. They've got six-year contracts guaranteed. They're not going anywhere.

Jimmy Garoppolo may be going somewhere if he gets hurt again. But if he gets hurt, they've only got one more year of dead cap money, and it's not a huge hit. So it's a great example of spot your quarterback. This is why you have scouts and make a determination. By the way, San Francisco made a determination on this kid when they made the deal for a second round pick. They knew at that point they'd done their homework.

We just want to see the guy get some reps in our offense. He did, boom, pay him. And we're all like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. It's $27.5 million. Only one more year. I mean, if he was, there's three great quarterbacks in college next year. So if Garoppolo got hurt early this year, you're a top, you're a bottom five team in the league. By the way, you're going to get one of the quarterbacks.

So I don't think San Francisco is in a precarious spot. I don't. I think, cross your fingers, he's healthy. and it works out. But I think when you pay quarterbacks early like Garoppolo, you wake up about two years later and you're like, you know what? It's not a terrible deal. When Patrick Mahalm signs for $38 million a year and Carson Wentz is making 32

and leading you to the NFC championship, 32 is going to, when Dak makes 34, 32 and a half for Carson Wentz is going to feel like a bargain. Joy with the News. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, sticking with those cowboys, they were without two of them. their stars on Saturday with Zeke and Amari out, but that didn't slow their offense down.

They marched down 97 yards on the field for a touchdown, and 82 of them came as courtesy of two players, Tony Pollard and Michael Gallup. And after the game, Jerry Jones was in very high spirits. Is Pollard your best negotiated with Zee? Who? Pollard. She could. He's got Joe Cameron.

You got to love Jerry. He likes poking Zique. He does. But, I mean, he's, look, I'm not going to exaggerate the situation. He's a fourth round rookie running back. He averaged 8.4 yards per carry. He's scored a 14-yard touchdown. Yeah, and through two preseason games, he's averaged 6.7 yards per touch.

He's a nice player. A nice player. And good to have and good to have in this particular moment while this is going on. Add a little pressure to the situation. Yeah, Cowboys have shown an ability in these later rounds to get good players. The Cowboys are a lot more functional in draft day than people give them credit for. And Dak is a fourth round pick. Yeah.

I do think they're exaggerating the situation with Zeku though. I think it's funny in the moment and Jerry is a character and we love that, but let's be serious right now. Zeke is top three, depending on what style of running you like, probably the best running back in the league. I just feel like the Cowboys just have to do it. They don't really have a choice here. I believe they have a very small window as most teams do to win a championship. And they know they have to pay DAC, as we just discussed. It's going to happen.

I know everyone is getting tied up in the money, but eventually someone will get paid more than DAC and so on and so forth. And then his contract won't be as daunting as it will be when they first sign him. And they could have done it months ago. You knew you were going to have to pay DAC. What other choice did you have? And that's why they're in the situation there and now. But it's not going to be Ziku once the season starts.

So John Marr made it clear last week that he wants Eli Manning to start all 16 games his season. He said, I hope Eli has a great year. And Daniel never sees the field. This, of course, sparked a few rumors that ownership is pushing Pat Shermer to start Eli, no matter how well Daniel Jones plays. And he also said to the media recently, Eli is our starting quarterback and will start the season. And here is what Shermer had to say about it. John owns the team, right?

And we're on the same page. There's really not much more to say. And I think I've been saying that all along. I just get a sense once in a while that when I answer those questions. nobody believes me. Well, you heard it from the owner. We did hear it from the owner, so I think we have our answer over who's the only quarterback's going to be. Yes, and that is why he's going to continue to be asked these questions. It's because he has looked solid. And, you know,

he's a six overall pick in the first round of the draft. It's, of course you're going to be asked these questions. The same thing happened with Baker-Mayfield last year. And it's a fair question to ask. And people are going to continue to ask him. Here's the problem. Obviously, we never like when owners get involved in personnel decisions to that level. We were just talking about Jerry. He's talking about a player of a completely different caliber and situation. Like there's not a decision about whether you're going to start Ezekiel Elliott once you sign him. That's not the same situation. And Jerry, for that matter, I don't think is making personnel decisions on that level, who's going to start and who's not going to

start. It's not that they're forcing the situation. I think we all kind of believe that Eli Manning is going to start the season. But the conversation isn't, is Eli Manning going to start this season? It's what is your plan with Daniel Jones? Is he really going to sit behind Eli Manning playing the way that he's playing? Yeah. And if Eli Manning walks off a cliff this year, this drumbeat is going to get to the point where they're not going to have a choice. They could have had Sam Darnold. That didn't really be heat, by the way, because Sam behind Eli, you know, maybe there's always a, this is my conspiracy theory tinfoil hat. They didn't draft Sam Darnold because they knew they couldn't sit him for two years. They just knew there's no way at practice. You could watch Sam and

Eli and go, Daniel, you can watch and go, because he looks like Eli, he's not a world-class athlete, he doesn't have a big arm. Daniel Jones at practice is not an ooh, like Patrick Mahomes would be, or a Darnold's athletic ability. You could make the argument, Daniel Jones was the kind of that they could bring him, and it wouldn't blow people away for a year, and Daniel may be just better than they thought. Well, yeah, that's what's working in their benefit, is that people felt like everyone was

shocked by this pick. They felt like it was a reach. He wasn't in this conversation. to go in the top 10. It was just like, oh, I guess the Giants are making a move. So we don't really know what to expect from him. We've been pleasantly surprised. But this is going to be a conversation all year long, no matter what.

Finally, with DeMarcus cousins, likely to miss the entire season with the torn ACL, the Lakers have just Javelle McGee at Center. And now reports say that the Lakers might have interest in Dwight Howard. According to Ramona Shelburne, regarding the Lakers and Dwight Howard, team source says their interest is more due diligence after the bogey injury. Memphis has granted permission for Dwight in his camp to speak to teams, one of which is the

Lakers. And according to Shams, the Lakers have been patient and approach since Cousin's injury and another accomplished veteran center on the market is Yochim Noah. Howard is expected to eventually be released by Memphis. He played a nine game for the Wizards last season. Howard did before having

surgery to repair a gluteal injury. I can't believe Joe Kim Noah is still in the league. He's been around for ever. Yeah, this is the Lakers. This is the Lakers, right? And it feels a lot like last year, doesn't it?

Where you're watching the moves that they're making and the pieces they're putting together. And it's like, yeah, that would make sense. That would be a great lineup five years ago. Yeah. What are you doing? I mean? And for that matter, to me, I would take Carmelo Anthony.

I think he spaces the floor better. And that's still a conversation about how many years ago would this lineup have worked. At least with Mello, you're getting scoring. And they're likely not going to play Anthony Davis at the center. You know, like, it's funny about the Lakers. I could be wrong on this.

Javelle McGee's enough. I mean, Anthony Davis, Javelle McGee, and LeBron, I've got my size. I don't need a, I don't need a ton more size, do I? It feels like they're going for size. Like, that's, I mean, all these names that are being put out there are big guys. And that's, I mean, where, who.

If I have Anthony Davis and Javele McGee in 2020 on my roster, that's enough. Anthony doesn't want to play the five. Well, you didn't have to play the five. By the way, we've got to... But not that you necessarily need that anymore. Yeah, we got a revolution going on where a lot of teams don't... Who are the bigs all lined up playing for Golden State?

So I'm saying. Five years ago, this would have been a great, very interesting lineup. So again, we're just left with a little confusion in the direction the Lakers are going in with that. Yeah, Joy with the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. 30 minutes from now, Colin Wright, Colin Wrong. my buddy who, by the way, is in the booth so far for the preseason games for the Jets.

Peter Schrager has been in the booth. I like what the NFL does. They take reporters and they bring them on the broadcast team for the preseason. It's actually great. And via the Coward Global Satellite Network, Shregs, is joining us. Peter Shregor, Fox NFL reporter. All right, let's go. So A.B. showed up to practice today.

Let's say it goes sideways again in the next week. Shregg's, what would be the options for the? the Raiders. What would you do if you got a guy that was like a mutiny without him playing? All right, Colin, I got to do the yeah-butt thing. So he showed up at the facility, but all the tweets from all the insiders said that he was at practice. The Raiders didn't really have a practice today, so he didn't play in a hell. He was there in the building, but he still isn't worn the helmet. So I just want to clarify that. Yes, he's in the building, but this is still going to be an ongoing saga. And I know you've got Drew Rosenhouse's agent coming on later in the

show, but I just want to clarify, there was no contact today. And I just want to clarify, there was no contact today with Antonio Brown. He didn't put a helmet on. He's still fighting this fight from what we gather. And to that point, they do have some options. I mean, if this really goes haywire, and at this point, Gruden's been in Antonio Brown's corner, he's been the good cop, this is a fight for Antonio, and we got his back. Well, Mayotte came out Sunday night and played bad cop and was like, they're all in here, all out. And what does all out even mean? Well, you could cut Antonio Brown, which would mean, oh, two years of $30 million, which they're not looking to do. You could trade them, which they got him on 80 cents on the dollar. Do you really want to trade them for

60 cents on the dollar? You also have to find a trade partner. The third is this nuclear option, as if he hadn't been in the facility today, and if he goes AWOL again, called something that they refer to as the five-day letter. And I say it's nuclear option because it's never been used before since the new CBA came out in 2011. It's a letter that goes out to the player, and if he doesn't show up, it means he doesn't get paid, he cannot play for the rest of the season and it completely severs all ties with the player in the NFL. No one's ever done it. It is the most drastic of measures.

There was whispers that might have been used if Antonio Brown didn't show up, but he did show up in the facility today. But this is not obviously what any side wants, Brown side or the Raiders side. And here we are mid-August, and that's where we're at. Oh, Lord. All right, let's go. You've been in the booth for the Jets. Now, Lavian Bell, not that he is AB, but they're both former students.

dealers and Lavin Bell decided I'm not going to play, gave up 14 million bucks. But I don't feel the same way about Lavian Bell and in absence last year as I do about A-B. I do feel like Lavian Bell's a running back. Lavian Bell's in shape. I don't see him personally is what you would call high maintenance. I do think he is his own man. So you're doing the Jets games.

He's not playing. Is that okay? Is it a warning sign? How does that land for the team right now, Shrakes? Yeah, I've spoken to Adam Gase at length about this. Also spoke with Levion Bell last week, and he's getting full contact in practice. Don't get it twisted. And whereas the Rams and Bears have already decided we're not playing our starters.

We're not going to get them in danger. The Jets are learning it the hard way. They lost a linebacker, Avery Williamson, late in the second quarter, in a worthless Thursday night game against, you know, you don't want to ever lose a player to injury. And I don't want to say worthless. But Avery Williamson, even Adam Gase admitted, should not have been on the field in that situation.

situation. He's done for the year. The Jets are not risking anything. They feel like they've seen enough from Leveon Bell. And Leveon has said it himself to us in the production booth saying, you know, I feel as good as I've ever felt before. Yes, I need to get hit and all that stuff, but that is what's going on in practice. I'm playing full contact. The Jets are fully confident that even though we haven't seen Leveon Bell on a football field since January 2018, he will be ready September 2019 to go full bore and Colin if anything I've done these Jets games. Ty Montgomery is not a name everyone's like drafting in their fantasy league. He's got the same body type as Levi-on-Bell and he's going to be used the same way.

Gase is one of these offensive wizards where, hey, if I've got two guys who could play receiver and running back, I want to see that and no one even knows what they're going to do with those two in the field at the same time. So the Jets are very confident not only in Levy on Bell but also Ty Montgomery, who's the backup, who might not really be a backup. He might end up playing at the same time in kind of a pony package. They're very excited what they got with their running backs room. Since you're doing the Jets preseason stuff, I would be remiss if I didn't at least ask you about Sam Darnold.

I said, I felt Gase was sort of the East Coast Kyle Shanahan. Intense, doesn't have a lot of patience for the media, but very multiple, very clever, very obsessed, will give multiple looks. It looks like in preseason drives, Sam and Gase are clicking. Does that feel like it to you? It's as good as any combo you're going to see in a preseason game. And, you know, golf and McVeigh, they clicked that first year. Tribisky and Nagy, they click last year. This could have that potential.

And the Jets brass quietly, they would never do it outwardly, are ecstatic. Because Sam is making passes in practice that Gase did not expect him to be able to make. I'm talking about 40 yards across the body on the run. And he's getting these guys the ball where there are windows that are very tight and Darnold is doing it. But more importantly, Colin, and you've spoken to this. on your show? He showed up last year, 21-year-old, wide-eyed, all right, New York City. This year, he's the man. And when I say the man, I'm talking like a leader. Everyone gave Baker-Mayfield, all those kudos. He was 23 years old last year. He'd won a Heisman. Darnold was still a kid.

This off-season, he has matured so much. And there's no longer Josh McCown in that quarterback's room where it's, hey, here's the 38-year-old veteran we're going to take our cues from. Donald's the guy, and they are following his lead. Everyone is very excited. And Don't be shocked if he makes a huge leap in year two. Okay, finally, Kyler Murray, listen, Cliff Kingsbury was a college coach. Not just a college coach. He was a young college coach. Then you bring him into the NFL.

He hires Vance Joseph. Van Joseph doesn't have a history of top 10 defenses. Then you draft a quarterback, Kyler Murray, who's unique. You're installing a new offense. I mean, I know you love it, but it has not looked great so far. Any sense from you, little trouble, little heat in Arizona. None. And I loved your tweet. You tweeted me saying, are you sure about him being a generational player? Colin, it's a second preseason game. We've been through this. They haven't showed anything.

I assure you, any play we've seen from the Cardinals this preseason will not be in the regular season playbook. None of that stuff. So am I concerned? No, I'm not concerned. We've done rehearsals of television shows where before we go on air, and yes, you want to bring your A game, but you might not have the same exact oom for energy. You're just kind of going through the motions. The Cardinals are very confident what they have. And I am very confident in what they have. I'm going to double down on Kyler Murray. And yes, the second preseason game, if you want to jump off the bandwagon, go right ahead.

I'll see you September 7th when the season starts. Garapolo goes tonight. It's interesting. They paid him $27.5 million. It was kind of a big figure at the time. It's funny. Today, Shreg, that feels like an absolute bargain. What should we expect?

What do you hear from the Niners on their camp? Some young receivers they like. They've had an injury bug. How do you see it tonight? And that's the point. Colin. They haven't had any healthy players. Kittle broke a record last year for tight-end receptions with Nick Mullins playing quarterback. So look, ask around the league, whether he's done it or not on the head coach level. Kyle Shanahan has respected an offensive play caller in the entire NFL, and they

bring this guy peddists for a second year from Washington. They love Jalen Hurd. They love Debo Samuel. If Garoppolo's healthy, let's see, because Jerich McKinnon is back. We've got, you know, obviously Tevin Coleman, who they signed. There's a lot of excitement in San Francisco. But, like, We always say, let's see it before we start believing it. And tonight we'll see what kind of version we get of Jimmy Groplo. But as long as Kyle Shanahan's calling the plays, I have confidence that this team can do it. Yeah, I'm the same way. I think it's the easiest double their win total team in the NFL this year.

Senior reporter Fox NFL, great. See you, Shregs. You're the best, Colin. Can't wait to see in a couple weeks. All right, good. Peter Shreger. He looks tanned and ready to go. He's got that northeast.

He's played a couple of rounds of golf now. He's got that nice tan going on. Coming up next top of the hour, Colin right, calling wrong. I want to talk about Antonio Brown and how he has largely become T.O. That's not all bad. But if you really take a deep breath and look at it, it's shocking how similar they have become at this point in their career. That's coming up.

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in and I said I couldn't watch a minute of that show. I don't deal. Long story, I'm not going to self-analyze and waste your time with this. I'm not good at babysitting people. Like if you're a grown-up and you can't handle your life and you can't get your stuff together, I'm not interested in babysitting. I'm not. I've dated high-maintenance people, are low-maintenance people.

I married low-maintenance people. My friends are low-maintenance. I don't deal well with people grown-ups who can't be grown-ups. I feel bad if you've got this problem or that problem. But that's your problem. They're not my problem. And so I personally don't deal well with volatile personalities. If I work with him, I move them off.

If I have a friendship with him, I move off. That's me. I could never bring in Antonio Brown. He is volatile. And I think what happens when you get into volatile emotion-driven people who are kind of anti-authority, everybody starts walking on eggshells. Some people can handle that. Therapists go to school for that.

I can't. I don't deal with it. I could never bring in a player like A.B. Especially if you did just moderate homework last year by the end of the year on the Steelers, it was a mess. He has become T.O. They're very similar. They're small college guys who got overlooked by a lot of people. Come to the NFL for legacy franchises, 49ers Steelers, super productive, all-time talents. and then they get the same agent, Drew Rosenhouse. Eventually they sort of wear people out. The teams move off them and the first team they go to, remember Oakland's not the first team.

There was a deal here with Antonio Brown with another team and it went sideways with a paperwork. T.O. had the same situation. T.O. ended up doing sit-ups in the driveway guy. A.B. is a cryo feet disaster, hot air balloon guy. both call out quarterbacks, both struggle with authority. They're the same guy now. It's small school, superstar, tend to be anti-authority guys.

The problem with that, and in some sports that works, football is the most corporate American culture. It is the most regimented American professional sports culture. Coaches are authority figures, authoritarian. They're not in the NBA. They're not in Major League Baseball. You know, a major league baseball manager, good God. He doesn't have his, the GMs now hand the lineup every day. Even with the New York Yankees, the Red Sox, the GM halfway is running the franchise.

But the NFL coach is the last professional coach in professional sports in America. It is his team and his playbook and his way and his staff. And if you're anti-authority, and I think T.O. is. It's not the end of the world. A lot of people are like that. A. B. is sort of anti-authority. It's a hard rub. It's a hard relationship.

And so I think they've become the same guy. It didn't work out terribly well the second half of the career. By the way, the Eagles picked up T.O. Largely for the same reason, the Raiders got A-B. The Raiders were looking for a difference maker, a little bit of relevance. The Philadelphia Eagles kept getting to the NFC championship with Andy Reid, and they thought, can we get a guy that can, like, expand us. We can just go the extra step.

And I think that's how John Gruden sees A-B. We get Terrell Williams. We don't have a star back. Can he give us an extra step, take us to just in a tough division? Eagles were in a tough division when they got T.O. These are a lot of similarities playing out. And I just don't think it's going to end terribly well because I think it's their personalities. Coaches are not built to be therapists.

They didn't go to college for it. They've been handed. And by the way, John Gruden, more than any coach in the NFL, has a 10-year contract. So more than any coach in America, he is. an authoritarian. He does outside of Belichick have the most leverage. Well, he's not giving it up. So I just think this relationship between Gruden and authoritarian style and A, B, and his DNA and his personality, I just don't think it's going to work. He's in camp today. He did show up. It was not a wear your helmet practice day. Drew Rosenhouse, his agent will be joining us in about one hour from now.

I don't think it would work. I wouldn't have brought him on. I think he's super talented. Now, it should be noted, Drew Rosenhouse does have the kind of personality. If you look at Drew Rosenhouse, his last 15 years as an agent, he is great working with players who can be high maintenance, can be a little obsessed, can be a little volatile, can be heavy in the personality. He does work well with those clients. NFL head coaches do not. So, you know, I wouldn't have made a deal. By the way, they're initials. They both have A, B, T, O. I mean, it's the same guy. now. By the way, Westbrook, Brian Westbrook was on, former Eagle running back. He played with T.O. in the locker room and he said, listen, we just couldn't, we couldn't, when it blew up, we couldn't handle the noise. He had a problem with Donovan. He had a problem with Andy Reed to get over. We

weren't able to get over the noise as a team. It's my belief that 53 guys have to be headed in the same direction, and you can't have a locker room divided. So Tio couldn't handle a quarterback and a head coach. Why? Because the anti-authority. That's his personality. And that's what A.B. A.B. doesn't like the helmet. He doesn't like the commish. He doesn't like the rules. He struggled with Big Ben. Why? Authority. And it's very common. It's all over America. A lot of artists that way. It's okay. But this is a rough league for that personality type. I mean, this is the shield, the logo, the playbook, the regimented, the coach, the GM.

It's not the NBA. It's not international soccer. It's not baseball with a manager is marginalized by the GM upstairs handing him. Everybody in the baseball clubhouse knows the GM is sending down the lineup every day for the manager. Like that's understood. They all know there's limited. And by the way, the manager knows that. So the manager is a put your arm around. Let's talk about it. And the NBA, stars don't get fired.

Coaches do. I support your politics. Arm around you. Not the way it works in the NFL, especially with John Gruden who has a 10-year guaranteed contract. No, he's not giving any leverage up. That's why he sent his GM out yesterday. out in the garden to talk about it, you know, ad lib. You send the message.

He wouldn't even do it. He said it's GM out to do it. That tells you the authority Gruden has. Hour two coming up. Eric Dickerson stops by. Good stuff. Drew Rosenhouse, too. Colin right, calling wrong. We're in L.A.

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You had to sell him? Yeah, well, you know, I love wine. And he just didn't know what to expect. If you never been to Napa, then you don't know how beautiful and amazing it is. Was it warm? It was very hot. Yes. It gets hot up there.

It was. But it was awesome. I mean, it's Napa. Yeah, it is. And then you have Sonoma right next to Napa. So they have two wine countries up there. It's very nice. It's the best.

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Wineries everywhere. You can go have lunch. Well, I mean, it's just like everything is green and it's just a chill, just getaway and, you know, wine tasting and good food. And I love it. Then we spent a night in the bay. It was great. Good stuff. All right, Colin right, calling wrong.

A lot of them this week. Here we go. Where Colin was right. Well, we said Jerry Jones, this is very shrewd. They're putting pressure on Zeke. They're going public. The tag team partner, no. It's a law firm.

Stephen and Jerry Jones. Once again this weekend, after Tony Pollard had a nice showing, Jerry, and he's doing this on purpose. Not doing it with Dak, but he's doing it with Zeke. took a little shot at him. It's Pollard your best negotiator with Z? Who? Pollard.

He's not at your camera. He's got Joe Kephyr. We're having some fun. Not at your expense. Yep, very public, very clear. They're not doing this by accident. It's what we thought they would do with. Dak, it's done behind the scenes with Zeke.

They're making it public, curing favor with the fan base and the media. And so far, it's working. The pressure now is on Zeke. Where Colin was wrong. I think the cults are a well-run organization. I don't like all the mystery with Andrew Luck. First, the owner comes out and talks about it. Then the GM comes out.

And now we have Frank Wright coming out and saying, it's up to Andrew Luck. Andrew Luck, of course, is not talking. This is a well-run organization. They draft well. They spend frugally and smartly. But there's a lot of mystery here. And, you know, I understand the NFL is a covert league.

You don't want to make stuff public. But I can't be the only person that watches this and is confused by all of it. Maybe it's about Jim Irse being too impulsive as an owner. Talk less. Own more. But I just don't like the way it's been handled. But why I really do think it's a great organization, I don't love this. this spot. Where Colin was right?

One of the reasons we supported the Steelers moving on with Antonio Brown because they've shown a history that when it comes to linebackers and wide receivers, they just draft well, coach well, and figure it out. And the Steelers' wide receivers have looked unbelievable in preseason. James Washington had

another big weekend. I mean, he is clearly, last year he was a second round pick. He was a wildly talented kid from Oklahoma State, but with A.B. and Juju Smith Schuster, he just didn't get a lot of looks. He's getting looks and he looks fantastic. They also, Devin Bush looks great at linebacker. Since 2002, the Steelers have drafted eight legitimate high-end wide receivers.

A couple are superstars. So if you feel you are very good at either drafting or accumulating certain positions, that gives you the power to move off talented people like A-B. It's what we predicted, and it's what's happened. Where Colin was wrong. I didn't love the Giants picking Daniel Jones at number six. watched them at college four or five times, maybe more, and I thought just a guy don't love his arm strength. He still doesn't have a great arm. I think he's looked terrific in the preseason.

Daniel Jones from Duke completed 84% of his throws, two touchdowns, no picks, 151 passer ratings, 16 completions, 19 throws. Listen, he's not a big arm guy. He's more athletic than Eli Manning, but what I do like, and I felt this when Dak came into the league in the preseason, total poise. plays with a good tempo. They've run a lot of timing stuff and underneath stuff, but he looks very, very confident in total control, pinpoint accuracy. You know, again, this is not, these are a lot of vanilla schemes,

but when you're asked to make timing throws and you make almost all of them perfectly, you deserve credit. And I think, and again, I, the Giants I will say have upgraded quietly their offensive lines, line in the last two years. So Daniel Jones, if he does play, is going to have time to throw and with a star running back and with an emerging star at tight end.

Jones looks like an interesting picket number six. Where Colin was right? Tennessee quarterback Marcus Marriota, never been a huge fan. May lose his starting job to Ryan Tannihill. Here was always my knock on Marcus Marietta. I've said this before. quarterback is the most verbal position, probably in American sports. I did a 15-minute interview with him years ago on tape.

We got about four and a half minutes. He is so quiet. He is so non-verbal. And I don't think he communicates great. I think he's too reliant on running in the red zone, and he appears to be a little bit brittle. I don't think he always sees the field particularly well. He's in his fifth year, and I don't feel like it's his team.

and it should be. By the way, last year, and he was a lesser version of Andy Dalton. He had in 13 games, 11 touchdowns, and 8 interceptions. You know, there's just something to be said about kind of being the guy that walks into a room and owns it, and I've always felt he's a great kid, but he's sort of slight. I don't think he hasn't owned the room personality. I don't think he's a great communicator. He's nonverbal at a verbal position.

And he is struggling to stave off Ryan Tend. Hannah Hill this camp. Where Colin was right. LeBron as it was revealed, 70 million more followers on social media than any other NBA player. Steph, that's a lot. Steph is the only one in his ballpark.

Listen. The idea that this league and the parody and the Western Conference and there's two stars everywhere, the Eastern Conference and the NBA Commissioner just changed the time of their games because LeBron, since he's left the East, the ratings went into the tank. This is still a very LeBron-dependent league.

He is still by far and away the most discussable, connectable NBA player. By the way, Tiger had this in golf. Michael had it with the Bulls. But whenever I hear, oh, I can't wait to watch the parody and I can't. Well, the Eastern Conference last year had tons of parody and nobody watched. The bottom line is LeBron is, and this is the downside to being a star-driven sport, is way more important to the NBA than even NBA fans, media, maybe the commission does know it, would like to admit.

Where Colin was wrong. I've been ripping the Phillies. I don't like 12-year contracts. I think it puts way too much pressure on power hitters. when you sign them to $300 million contracts. You can sign a pitcher to a big deal. You can sign a contact hitter, a base dealer. When you sign a power hitter to a massive deal,

they got to go to the yard every day thinking they need 50 bombs and 130 RBIs. And Bryce Harper struggled. Until now, he has caught fire four home runs, last five games. Phillies now inching back into contention for a wild card spot. and he had the play of the year in baseball this weekend against the Cubs. Two at two with the bases loaded and one out. By the way, 26 Jacks, 90 RBI.

First of all, Bryce is a good kid. There is something in baseball, will he get in trouble for running the bases too fast? He used to get in trouble for not running them fast enough. Is there a code against sprinting around the bases? I'm sure someone will find a problem with something that he's doing. Let him go. As a little league kid after a game-winning hit. I mean, that's what you play for.

That's great. Don't get many of those in the life. Literally gone, you don't get many of those. Great moment. Where Colin was right. Sam Darnold, with Adam Gase, looks fantastic. I'm always amazed by this. Listen, just go to the metrics and data.

Adam Gase had a winning record in Miami when Ryan Tannihill played. Of course, Sam Darnold, a young quarterback, is going to be better with him than Todd Bulls, defensive coach. You can do marginal homework. I watch Miami a lot because I watch Patriot games. They beat Belichick twice. They were very multiple, very clever. Of course, they had massive chaos in Miami. But it's not a shock at all. When Adam Gase got hired, I said, okay, this is going to work. This is what you got to do. You got to get young quarterbacks, offensive-minded guys, and hopefully they've got a little bit of head coaching experience. For everybody in Cleveland that just loves Freddie Kitchens. He's never coached an NFL game. Adam Gays coached for four years

beat Belichick twice. And when Tannahill started, they had a winning record. Gase and Darnold looked like a perfect fit. Where Colin was right? I had my reservations about Cliff Kingsbury in Arizona. He wasn't just a college coach. He was a baby college coach. He feels more cheekbones than playbook, you know, than chalkboard. They look a little lost to me. I didn't love hiring Vance Joseph, who's never had a top 10 defense. I think they've got all sorts of issues in the front office. They've been, had some bad PR situations, had another one about a week ago. Listen, if you can't win at your alma mater, where your boosters, your alumni, your executives are all completely behind this hunky alma mater quarterback. Mike Leach won there.

Didn't Sonny Dykes win there as well? Listen, he's the only coach. the last 10 years not winning there. I have my reservations about it, and I think of all the teams I've watched so far in the preseason, they look the most disjointed. Where Colin was right? I've been saying this for years. Tom Brady appears to be getting younger. The New England Patriots press guide was released this weekend, and Brady is listed at 22 years old.

So he officially is actually getting younger. Yes. somebody screwed up in the media guide and Brady is 22 years old so he is officially getting younger that's remarkable actually here's the pictures watch this joy

sorry for a radio audience don't watch this watch sorry radio audience we're watching Tom Brady's face morph throughout his career radio audience I will say this if you remain thin

it does make you look younger. Well, I mean, he also eats very well. If you eat well and you hydrate and take care of your skin and do all those things that, you know, people consider to be extra, you will preserve your body longer. He's officially 22 now. Well, yeah. Says it right there on paper. Eric Dickerson around the corner, Drew Rosenhouse, too, on a Monday.

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What's up, guys? This is Clever Taylor the 4th. And on my podcast, The Clivert Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff, like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me.

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Hey, I'm Deanna Maria Riva, actress, mother, lover, and a Gen X woman walking through life one hot flash and hormonal crying jag at a time. You ladies know what I mean. I'll bet you a perimen apostle chin here you do. So let's talk about it. Join me on my new podcast. How hard can it be with Deanna Maria Riva, where I call on my Gen X squads from Ohio to Hollywood as we navigate midlife's most fantastic BS. All of a sudden, I'd had hanginess. happening on my own. I was like, what the hell is that? I was married when I had her, so I didn't even

consider how empty that nest was going to be. Mood swings, night sweats, fupas, sex drive. Wait, what sex? Dating at 45. How can it be getting naked at 50 with the new guy? That one's kind of hard. Well, that's lighting. They say we can't polish a turd, but we're sure going to try. So let's get blunt with laughs, tears or tears of laughter, and dive into it unfiltered and unbothered an app. Ask, how hard can it be? I cannot believe I'm about to say this out loud in public. Listen to How Hard Can It Be with Diana Maria Riva as part of my Cultura podcast network available on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Eric Dickerson is joining us.

He has had a, we're just talking before he came on the air, the summer you have had with your kids. Listen to you. What a good dad. Am I a good dad, man? You man, Turks and Caicos. I've been to New York. I've been to Cabo. We just came back from Hawaii yesterday.

What? Yeah, I mean, can somebody take me on a trip like that? It don't cost me nothing. Can I do that deal, please? Can I sign up for that? By the way, if I said Turks and Kakos, Cabo or Hawaii, order, what's your favorite? I love Hawaii, man.

That's my spot. I just love that place. You know, I think I love it so much because that's the first time I'd ever seen a sunset, like the sun going to the ocean. I'm from the small town in Texas, so I'm like, that is so cool. 1982, never forget it, the Hulibol.

That's the first time you saw it. First time I've been to Hawaii and I saw it. I'm like, oh, I got to come back here. Now he takes his kids. Okay, Antonio Brown, generally when you go to a new employer, it's a honeymoon period. So you're on your best behavior. Antonio Brown's a little bit the opposite. He's not on his best behavior. Would that concern you?

Well, yes. I mean, like you said, this is a new football team. You want to do your best. You want to, you know, players to like you because they never played with you before. But it's not turned out like that. And it's sad because Antonio is such a great player. He really is. He's a competitor.

He plays hard. He works out hard. But, you know, you don't need this already coming into the season. And the season they even started shit. And I think Mike Tomlin, for sure, knew this would happen already. You know, when you look at the Raiders, I mean, they, I don't think they had no idea. They didn't have an idea. I think they wanted to make a big splash because, you know, they lost a lot of players.

They really did. and losing Khalil Mack. You heard me, I said this to you earlier. Losing Khalil Mack, the Raiders, just, they won't recover for that for a long time, if ever, because he was a great guy in the locker room. He's a great player, possibly, because he keep playing like he's playing a Hall of Fame player,

one of the most dominant players in the NFL, you don't trade him. It just doesn't happen. You keep him. Think about this. So they let go a Khalil Mack. I'll throw a theory out to you. So John lets him go, and they struggle, by the way, to close out games.

And in the locker room, John feels like I'm kind of losing guys. I let go of a great player. So John realizing, like Amari Cooper, you can lose and not lose the locker room. But you let Khalil Matt go. As you're struggling to get to the passer, he is dominating over in the NFC. And in the locker room, you feel like you've got to get the locker room back. so you make a big reach for AB, who like Khalil is a generational,

absurd talent. I wonder if Khalil Mack's departure and dominance in Chicago, and by the way, the Bears were on Monday night football, Thursday night football, Sunday night football, I wonder if that's why they reach for him.

Of course they did. That's why they did it. It's almost like how he's playing in Chicago is a slapping Gruden's face. No question. It is. I mean, you know, I think, you know,

I tell you, I said this before, Gruden had been away from football for so long. I mean, really. it's like going back to him having a flip phone. You got a person. Why you got a flip phone, man?

Everybody got Blackberries and iPads and iPhones as well. I got a flip phone still. I mean, when I look at the Raiders and Gruden, I still feel like he's still out of touch. I do too. He's out of touch. I mean, he knows football. He's a football genius.

But, you know, talking about football and coaching football and working with players is totally different. The player today is, not like the player was 10 years ago. Thank you. 20 years ago. These are different guys.

Some of these guys making so much money, like, hey, look, man, get rid of me. Do what you have to do. You know, when you're making $150,000 and now you're making $15,000 a year, it's a big difference. Let me ask you about the helmet situation. So, I mean, you know, Drew Rosenhouse is saying, you know, there's a new helmet. Brady and Aaron Rogers, they were given a year to kind of grandfather claws with their helmet. Did you ever have an equipment issue? Have you ever seen anything like this?

Not like this. I had an equipment issue. I won't forget my first couple of years in college. You know, we had to, you know, the bar down the, I hated that bar. I hated it. It hurt vision. Yeah, but after a while you got,

you didn't see the bar anymore. And then my senior year, they came up, the guy, one of the train and said, Eric, I got a face match you might like. It had, the one I wore from all my years, you know, it had the opening, I see all the guys were at, some college Dickerson,

some college the Dion Sanders. I wore it in 1982. But it changed the way that I, I could see things. I loved it. I mean, I wasn't going to not play because of the helmet. You know, it just doesn't work like that. But, you know, sometimes the equipment can, you know, cause, you know, the vision and stuff.

But it's like anything, Colin, you get used to it. You get used to it. It's like, it was like if somebody told me I couldn't wear my neck roll anymore, you know. You were famous for that. And I was famous for that. But if to play the sport I love, I'm like, okay, I can't wear the neck roll. I love it, but I can't wear it and practice. I can't play in it.

Why did you wear that, by the way? It looked good. Seriously. That's it. It looked cool. Come on, you know it looked cool. It looked cool. I had it pulled out. I looked like Superman. I thought it was because you had a bad neck. I had a bad neck. I heard my neck later, but no, it looked cool. Okay, so you love OBJ. There's a piece of video out today. And it was kind of funny. I watched this video. And most of us in life have to pay for style. If I wanted to style a shirt or stylish shoes, I'd have to pay for it. But pro athletes, Blake Griffin, Ronaldo, OBJ, they get paid for style. And so I'm watching these pictures on OBJ. And, you know, I could be an old cranky guy.

But I was saying to myself, that's why OBJ gets paid. He doesn't get paid because he's available. He doesn't get paid for production. You love OBJ. I will say this. Kardashians have proven it. You can get a lot of money in music, business, and sports for style. I've never seen a receiver outside of maybe Randy Moss that has his style.

There's part of me that's like, I get it. Like that he'll make money off that catch. That catch is cool. I mean, look, he has great hands, but I'll say this much here. Do it without the gloves. You know, those gloves are sticky. I mean, he has great hands. But an hour of day, and I hate to keep going back, you know, an hour of day.

No. You know, you didn't wear gloves. Oh, you want an old, like, gloves that the, that the divers wore the old thick gloves. Do it without the gloves. Then you catch, because those gloves are sticky. Do it like to do it out the gloves. Now, you are a former great running back.

So I would most people would believe that you believe all running backs should get paid. But, so do you. Not all running back. So you don't believe that. Not because some, because some, never say that they don't deserve it. I never like to say that because anytime you play in the national footballer

you deserve to get paid. Some deserve more than others. It depends. It depends. You're going to a concert and you're going to go see, let's just say, when Michael Jackson was alive, or you're going to go see another group, you know, let's say the Commodores, and the Commodores are hot, but you're going to, and they both are my good groups, but Michael Jackson, I'll take Michael Jackson, you know. So, you know, it's a different level. So if Zeeke plays and Zeeke doesn't play, do you think the Cowboys are a completely different team?

100% different team. It's no doubt. That's easy. Look, you know, Tony Pollard in the preseason has done a nice job. He's a nice back. He's a nice back. It's preseason. Zeke is a different.

Zeke is a game changer. You saw that at Ohio State. When the Cowboys drafted him, you knew that he would, for sure, at one point, lead the league in rushing. And he has. He let the league last year, I think two out of the last three years, he's led the league in rushing. So it's no doubt. Without Zeke on the field, this is a different football team.

He's a guy you can hand the ball to 25, 28 times, and throw the ball to him five or six times. He can pick up blitz. Blitz. Blitz protection is one of the worst and the hardest things for a young rookie. It really is because in the college defense is set, and they said they don't move much. In the pros, they're constantly moving to the last snap of the ball. So without Zieg, to me, the Cowboys are an eight, six and ten team, really. Because you know what's going to happen? If they start out too slow, this can be hard to catch up when they get him back.

It really will be. I mean, and Zeke, as the Cowboys, as Zeke goes, the Cowboys go. Finally, Sean McVeigh was breaking down on the sideline during the Rams broadcast preseason. We're going to roll some tape here, Sean McVeigh. Go ahead and play the tape. You want to call the play? Oh, I'd see what the offense is doing. We got short motion to slot.

Looks like it might be a little bluff. Stutter action. Great job by Dakota Allen right there, man. He recognized the guard pulled downhill. That's what you loved about him from Texas Tech. That's a big time stop. People freaked out about Sean McVeigh calling the plays. What do you make a McVeigh?

You spent some time with them. Man, McVeigh is just, he's a football guy. I mean, you know, when we got him, I can't the guy, I can't think of the guy. And Washington told me, say, Eric, this guy is a football guy. He knows everything about football. He truly loves football. Night and day he thinks about it.

And you can tell right there. I mean, you know, and if he'd have called the play for the Cowboys, the running plate, I'm like, okay, now we can, it's a different level. But, you know, he had idea that it was going to be a running play coming that way. I mean, he's just that guy. I mean, he knows football ends and outs. I mean, we went a meeting that we had with the team last year. And we sit there and listen to, you know, him have go through all offensive plays with all offensive lines with the running back receivers.

And it was amazing that the running back has to know the footsteps of the guards and attack when they run the football. Okay, he's going to leave with his right step, leave with his right foot. I'm like, wow. I'm like, okay, now we didn't know all that kind of stuff. They want the players to know everything about one another. You're going to know what I'm doing here, you know, what the steps are, what I'm looking, what is the guard looking for when he comes up field? What is the tackle looking for when he comes up field?

And they all knew. I'm like, I'm sitting next to Jack and Slate. I said, man, I don't know if I can play in this league. It might be little too much for me. Good seeing you, Eric. Good seeing you, too. Hall of Famer Eric Dickerson, Joy with the news. No, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So Roger Goodell ended Josh Gordon's suspension Friday, lifting the ban in time for him to rejoin his teammates before their third preseason game. He was then placed on the non-football injury list, so it's unclear whenever he's going to be able to practice. But he will have almost three weeks to get back into regular season shape before their week one matchup with the Steelers. And this comes just in time for Brady and the Patriots. And let's go back to what Brady had to say about Gordon last year. I just think it's so impressive in my view.

what he's done in a short period of time and how he's assumed this specific role in our offense and that's a very challenging thing to do. You know, receiver position in our offense takes years for most guys to understand and learn nuances and intricacies of not only our plays, but how to get open

within the scheme, how to gain my trust. And he's done it in such a short period of time. Brady's always been very high on Josh Gordon and it makes sense when you look at the numbers. They're passing with and without Josh Gordon in 2018. He's a real asset for them. Absolutely.

Their yards per game are up significantly, yards per catch, catch rate and quarterback rating all higher with Josh Gordon. And Josh Gordon is just one of those talents that obviously he has an unfortunate situation that he's dealing with personally. We all know all about that. But he's such an incredible talent and we've never been able to see the full potential of what he can do. He's also, Joey, he's not disruptive to the community of the locker room.

Right, which is why Brady loves him. He's been personally destructive to himself. Yes. He's hurt his career. But he's not a guy that comes in. So I think it's much easier to wrap your arms around a co-worker when you're not defeating us. You're defeating you. And there's great sympathy.

Yeah. Your struggle is personal. It's a not. I mean, obviously you not being available is directly affecting the team. But it's not something he's doing to other people, like you said. So it'll be interesting to get him to have him back, and especially considering all the pieces that Brady is without this year. He's also a very physical receiver.

Yes. No Gronk. By the way, they picked up Demarius Thomas in the offseason, a large physical receiver. They drafted Nikiel Harry, a very Anquan Bolden physical receiver. So Grant gave them a physical dimension that latent games. Right. They need it. They have to have now physical receivers to replace him.

So Baker Mayfield and Mitchell Trubisky seemed to be the real deal. at least to people who are betting Super Bowl odds, according to Vegas betters. The Bears and the Browns are the two teams with the most Super Bowl bets heading into the season. Obviously, the Chiefs and Patriots are tied with the best odds to win the Super Bowl. That's because the Bears are popular. And the Browns? Time out. Look at this. So according to...

So the Bears in Cleveland have significantly more betting money than New England. Is that because the, probably because the odds, because New England, you have to lay so much money down to win any money. Well, New England and the Chiefs are the same odds. They're tied with the best odds. God, fans. Fan is short for fanatic. This is fan stuff right here. Although, I will say, I mean, obviously Kansas City is obvious.

The Saints, I don't think are necessarily a bad bet. And I also don't think Green Bay is a bad bet. I wouldn't have Dallas. Would you have Dallas at five? I wouldn't have them in my top ten. I mean, listen, I say a little prayer to the sports gods every single night that we get the chiefs and the cowboys. The Rams are at 9 and the cowboys are at 5. Who's got more good players?

Who's got a better coach? Who's got a better quarterback? You know, fans yell at us in the media all day. This is when you get us speak. This is what you're speaking. I mean, we're like talking about all these others. Chicago at number one is ridiculous. They're not going to win their division.

It's, it's, I don't want to be overly dramatic, but it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. Thank you. Finally, this year's rookies have spoken. In this year's edition of NBA.com's rookie survey, LeBron was voted as their favorite player with 38% of the total votes, and Kevin Durant was in a distant second

with 20% of the votes. Kauai Leonard and Damien Lillard tied at 8%. And Devin Booker and James Hardin tied at 5%. So James Hardin. Yeah, this list actually doesn't surprise me. Devin Booker and Damien Lillard do not surprise me at all. the younger guys,

scorers, like that, that makes sense to me. James Hardin's only got 5% of rookies like him. That's slow. I mean, I mean, the majority of the vote is going to LeBron and Durant, so it's going to be split up somewhere. Yonis isn't anywhere in it. Yeah.

So even the young guys like it. Only three players in the 10-year history of this survey have gotten top votes, which is Kobe, LeBron, and Durant. But is it interesting that he is, is more well-liked later in his career? No, because Brady's really loved late in his career. I think LeBron and Brady have gone into a different galaxy.

It's kind of like lifetime achievement. Like, I think they're just such a big brand and so respected by everybody. I mean, LeBron is MJ to... His generation. Yeah, to these rookies and the younger generation. I mean, it's hard for us to imagine that because you would... I mean, obviously, you can't vote for MJ in this survey. But, like, that's what LeBron has become for that.

You know, sometimes in the media, the media falls in love with the next shiny thing, you know, right? But the bottom line is everybody knows who LeBron is. And that's a real thing. Like, it's, there is real value. There's not inconsistency in winning. If you and I are doing this show in 10 years. Excellent. It's a high level.

Yeah. We're going to become an old pair of shoes for viewers, right? Like the longer you're on, we'll never be the new hip, the new this. But LeBron, we've been wearing a show. those shoes for like 14 years now, waking up and have a LeBron story. Same with Brady. Like he still leads the NFL in merchandise sales. Tom is part of our lives.

Like 20 years, he's part of our falls. It is true. It is. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news. I'm trying to think of the last time.

I mean, I'm serious. I'm just thinking last time my life. I couldn't tell you the last time. I don't remember what the NBA looked like. like pre-Lebron. It was Shaq and Kobe was dominating, right? Or was he in the league by then?

Yeah, because that was 2010. I mean, that's how LeBron's been in the league since what? 2004? 2003? I mean, that's like who was dominant in the NBA 2003? I don't remember. Okay, it was Spurs and Duncan were one entitled. That's a...

I mean, it's what? 17 years. That's a long time ago. The last time LeBron wasn't like relevant. The Spurs were, by the way, not in the dynasty, the middle, the beginning of their dynasty. And that's not to say the Spurs aren't relevant or Kobe wasn't relevant or Shaq wasn't relevant. Like that's obviously they were.

But the consistency of relevance, not just on the court, just overall the content and stories and just like you said, Brady LeBron, they're like a part of our lives every day. There's something else to talk about with that. Drew Rosenhouse, NFL agent, Antonio Brown. agent. We'll join us live. That's coming up next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific.

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I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff, like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker walks up to me, he goes, Hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Time out. Quarterback on office blue with 42.

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This is my best friend Janet. Hey. And we have been joined at the hips since high school. Absolutely. Now a redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip, just a little bit bigger hips, wider. This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda. with all the snacks and drink.

Sidebar. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? They had a bogo. Well, then you got it. Do you want a white color or something here? Just take it. What are y'all doing? Microphones?

Are you making a rap album? Oh, I would. Come on. I would buy it. Go. Go. It's like a hot knife through sponge cake. That sounds delicious.

Oh, you're lucky. I'm not a drug addict. You are. You are. I'm not an alcoholic. You are. You are. I love this team.

And I'm not a killer. really trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on. Oh. Listen to soccer moms on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Well, Drew Rosenhaus has been doing this for a long time. He is a sports agent and owns Rosenhouse Sports. T.O. Gronk, Antonio Brown, he has never been afraid to represent big personalities. He deals with them deftly and easily.

doesn't mean coaches do and Drew is joining us on the phone. Let's start with this. Drew, thanks for coming on the show. I appreciate it today. You bet, Colin. Good to be on with you. Okay, you deal in big personalities. You have the DNA for it.

Some people can do it. Some agents can't. Are you concerned that you may deal with A, B, very well? You're very nimble with this, but a new GM and a new coach in Gruden, who's been out of the sport for a decade, may not deal with this personality. Does that concern you at all?

Oh, not at all. I can tell you this is really more a byproduct of him just wanting to have the right safety equipment that he's worn his entire career. And this is not about A.B. and the Raiders, as much as it is about Antonio and the league and the union and a new helmet policy that they have. You know, the policy was put in place recently. This is the first year where players are prohibited from wearing helmets that are not approved by the NFL. This really has caught us and the Raiders and kind of in the middle of a bigger discussion.

This is bigger than the Raiders than Antonio. This is really about Antonio's safety. and his health on and off the football field moving forward. But Mike Mayock yesterday held a press conference, and it felt like to me, Drew, it was an ultimatum press conference. Did it not feel like that to you? Well, you know, I didn't pay a lot of attention to the press conference because I talked to Mike four or five times.

I understand where the Raiders are coming from. They traded to get Antonio. They're counting on him. He's, you know, without a doubt, one of the best players in the National Football League. They want him to be able to focus on football and not be distracted by his equipment. But, you know, unfortunately, that's the reality of the situation. It's not the Raiders' fault. It's not Antonio's fault.

Antonio is one of the few guys that has worn the same helmet through college and the NFL and feels it keeps them safe. and he's had a remarkable durability to the nine ultra-productive years he's had, and he doesn't see any reason to change it. Now, the league and the union do, and I respect their wishes to make players safer with helmets, but this helmet has worked very well for Antonio, and he is going to continue to lobby to wear it and look at every possibility. but he was back with the team today. I anticipate he will, moving forward, as we try to find a permanent resolution of this issue.

Drew, the NFL is in a situation where over the last five years, they've been very fluid. They change rules, regulations, equipment regularly due to maybe it's CTE, maybe it's the growing concern about health. You know this. They don't practice as much. They don't hit as much. So it's a very fluid situation, and they're going to ban this helmet, and they're not going to an option. Are you concerned at all? There will be no resolution and AB just won't play with this required helmet. I don't think that is a real possibility. I have confidence in our ability,

myself, Antonio, the group that I work with, the Raiders, the NFL and the union to come up with something that makes sense so that Antonio can continue playing football with comfortability with the fact that he feels that he's safe. That's really all that we're looking for right now. And I'm confident, Colin, that we'll find that piece. A, B, I compare to my said there's a little T.O. At times he can feel a little anti-authority in Pittsburgh with Big Ben, now with the NFL. You know, you deal with personalities all the time like this. Do you feel that T.O. and A.B.

do share some similarities in personality, anti-authority. I really don't, and I'm not a big fan, Colin, of comparing players and personalities. You know, just talking about A.B. and, you know, who he is. He's a guy that loves the game is a remarkable competitor. He's excited about playing the season, we're just dealing right now with a helmet issue that's very different than what happened with this Pittsburgh Steelers, which was more of a deterioration of a nine-year career with them. He played his entire career with the Steelers, nine years. And it was a wonderful career.

But, you know, like anything else, all good things come to an end. All right. So Drew Rosenhouse is joining us. How are his feet, by the way, because that's been sort of overshadowed. over the last, I would say, four to five days. How are his feet? I think his feet are doing well. He's definitely getting there. I think it's a matter of time until he's fully cleared in that capacity. I would expect he'd be healthy by the end of the preseason. All right. So you said he's back. He was back with the Raiders today. Do you think we're

closer or further from resolution today than yesterday? I think we're closer to resolution than we were yesterday. All right, Drew Rosenhouse. All right, Drew, thanks for coming on. All right. You bet. Thanks.

All right, there you go. So he was at, not practice. He was at meetings today with the Raiders. All right. Listen, he spent, you know, I always, when they, Steelers let go of him, you know, the old saying pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered. The Steelers didn't have to pay much for him until the last couple of years. Pittsburgh got him in like a six round.

He didn't pay him anything. He gave him 75. touchdowns in like 12,000 yards. And then at the end, it got real bumpy. And then the Raiders, I still contend, Eric Dickerson agreed with me. I still contend the Raiders let go of Khalil Mack. Kahliel Mack goes to Chicago and is on television every week and is lighting the league up. And in Gruden's locker room, that's not sitting well.

They're all like, you know, we're losing games because we can't get a pass rush. And that guy's the best pass rush in the league. And did Gruden, who said, no stars, get draft picks, look at, did Koleon? Leo Mac actually affect the Raiders locker room to the point where they rolled a dice and went for a big star. I think it's more than possible. I think this happens all the time when you get out of a relationship. And you know, I always said this. When the Colts moved off of Peyton Manning, you had to be comfortable in the building knowing,

oh, he's going to win a bunch of games without you. When the Packers let go of Brett Farve, when the Niners let go of Joe Montana, you've got to be very comfortable going, we're going to watch them on television. And he's a legend. And they're going to talk about how great he is. And we're going to be a young team with a new quarterback. I'm not sure once the Raiders traded Cleo Mac, they were totally comfortable with him like a week later going and knocking Aaron Rogers into another galaxy. And so maybe that's why they go reach on a very expensive star because the one they let go burn them on TV and it didn't play well in their locker room.

Hour three coming up. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart Radio app. Search Hurd to listen. in live or on demand whenever you'd like. Preseason football continues Thursday on Fox as Leonard Fernett and Nick Foles make their preseason debuts for Jacksonville against

Kenny Stills and the Dolphins. Catch the action starting at 8 Eastern on Fox and the Fox Sports app. I'm not a big Leonard Fournett Finn. He's disappointed me in the NFL. Bucky Brooks joining us. He's disappointed me. Yeah, he hasn't been what everyone thought it would be when he was taken to the top five. You thought it'd be a dominant player? They put the offense on him. He hasn't done that yet. Yeah.

So, by the way, so when you're out of the league for 10 years, so how long have you been out of the league officially? Geez, 99, so I guess 20 years. Okay. So you have friends all over the league, but you're not in the buildings every day. So my takeaway is when you work on the peripheral periphery of a league, you still have all sorts of contacts. But you do lose some contact, players, culture. There are granular changes within the league. It would help to be in the building, right?

Yes. Okay. So Gruden Leeds for 10 years comes back. And one of the things that when you're out of the league, you don't have quite as many day-to-day conversations with league people. So when you're in the league, I think for 10 years, you'd have made calls and known this AB thing in Pittsburgh is worse than the stories on television. Because it feels to me like this all could have been avoided. But John was new to the league. Mike Mayock was new to the league. Again, like you, they've got a million contacts. But I even notice that when I go to games, when I go to games, I'll drive home that day and think, God, I must have seen 20 guys I haven't seen in years. I almost feel like they just, John could not have known as much about A, B, as he wanted to. Is that fair?

Yeah, I think that's fair. You can't have intimate knowledge of players if you're not in the league. You're going to have conversations. You can get to a point where you know certain things, but it's nothing like being in the league because the phone rings. if you're in the pro department, you have these conversations consistently with your guys and other pro departments because you're always talking about different things,

be it trades, different acquisitions, what's going on. Part of your job when you work in the office is to stay abreast of what's going on. And so when you're Mike Mayock and you're John Groot and you've been out in a way, and even on our side in TV land, you still don't have the day-to-day conversations that you need to have to sometimes fully vet out. players and what they could be bringing when you bring them onto your team. Let me throw a theory. They trade Khalil Mack.

Kaleel Mack goes to Chicago and is on TV crushing it. And John Gruden got first round picks and for a couple days were like, yeah, Gruden got players. And then over the course of two or three months, it did not sell well in the room. Because Khalil had a knocked Aaron Rogers out. And John said, I need to get a little bit of star power back in my locker room. I think Khalil Mack in a weird way, because John's initial sales to all of us is we're not star-driven. And all of a sudden, he made a risky star-driven move.

Do you think Khalil Mack had any influence on that? Oh, absolutely. Because remember, everyone raked him over the coals for what he did. He decided to move on from two stars, not only Khalil Mack, but Amari Cooper, two players who in Raiders' uniforms have played at Pro Bowl levels. And so when you make those moves, you expect you're expecting it a big. returned. By the way, and Amari connected with DAC. So they were both. And by the way, the

Bears and the Cowboys are always on television. Yes. And they both went to the playoffs. They both looked good. Both players looked like they were star caliber players. And so now you're looking at him and you're wondering, man, what was it about the Raiders where these guys didn't fit? How come you

couldn't work it out with those guys? And for Khalil Mack in particular, he was everything that you want. When you draft a player in the top five, you expect them to be a dominant player, a foundational player, someone who was a pillar to the rebuilding effort, and he was all of that. He was a defensive player of the year. He dominated off the edge.

And then for you to trade them away for some picks, it's hard. Even though there's a fascination with draft picks because it's what's behind door number two, there's something to taking and signing proven commodities. John Gruden elected to go for the gift, the mysterious thing behind door number one. didn't work out for him. As for the record, tonight, Jimmy Garapolo is playing for San Francisco. Even though there's a lot of people out there that say, man, this was a big risk on the contract. He makes $27.5 million, which this morning doesn't feel as bad as it did two years ago.

And let's say he gets hurt in week 15. They can move off the contract next year and pay $4 million dead money. Yep. It's in the end, it's not a great deal because he's not playing enough. but they kind of paying him early, Bucky. If he gets hurt this year, they can move off him. Yeah, it's the cost of doing business.

I will say the San Francisco 49ers do a great job of structuring their contracts where they always appear to be team friendly. They have these kind of checkpoints where they can get out of these deals before it becomes too cost prohibitive if the player isn't worth the money. With Jimmy Garapolo, yes, they front-loaded the contract,

gave him a ton of money at the beginning. I think this first year maybe he got $4.00. $43 million of his cash, which is $61 million over two years. If it doesn't work out, look, they can say, look, it was an expensive endeavor, but they don't have anything that they're carrying into the future. They then go and draft one. They then go and maybe acquire someone that could be on the streets. Who knows?

But, yeah, the pressure is now on Jimmy Garapolo. You're not a huge fan. It's time for him to deliver because when you pay someone $27.5 million, because just listen to the outrage and the stuff. that we're hearing about Dak Prescott, where people, he doesn't deserve to be a $30 million quarterback. Jimmy Garapolo got $27.5 million off seven games. He's not anywhere near as accomplished as Dak Prescott as a player.

And so, yeah, I haven't been a big fan of the contract because I don't think he played to that level. And unless he plays to that level this year, the 49ers should move away from him because he certainly hasn't played like a franchise quarterback. Arizona is the only team I've seen in the preseason, where I'm like, wow, that's not great. Now, preseason isn't everything,

but Victor, Cruz, and Dak had the kind of preseason where you went, wow, who's this kid from UMass that nobody drafted? And Victor had three great years. There are moments in preseason that can be telling. Am I reaching when I say, Arizona doesn't look like either side of the ball? They're clicking. Here's what we say about preseason.

Preseason games don't count, but they certainly do matter. And you can have a sense of what a team will be based on how they play. It's not about the wins and the losses, but it's looking at the game and seeing how they play. When you look at the Arizona Cardinals versus the Raiders, they didn't look like they were at a high-level NFL team. Now, we should expect that because they had the number one pick. But I think the bigger thing, and people would take Calamari to Tass, he didn't play well. But we've talked about this.

When you're a young quarterback, when you go to the sideline, you're looking to your coach to provide some answers. Cliff Kingsbury doesn't have answers. And when I talk to people around the league and they can say like, oh, they haven't shown all their protections and those things, at some point you have to unveil those things because you have to work on them. You can't wait to game one to say, okay, here's our new pass protection.

Let's go have at it. And so I am worried about Cliff Kingsbury being able to protect the quarterback. I know they want to run some air raid principles and we're seeing bits and pieces of it. but if he's not able to protect his quarterback, this offense will not be successful because defensive coordinators around the league, they will look and see how they've been attacked, how teams have attacked them in the preseason, and if he can't solve the puzzle, he will see it week in and week out from all these defense coordinators around the league.

Daniel Jones, I watched him at Duke, didn't see a huge arm. I like David Cutcliffe. He looked like a jag, just a guy. I watched him in college. He's a guy. I didn't think he was his talented as Matt Ryan is a thrower. I didn't think he had Jared Goff. More certainly, I thought there was a little Alex Smith, limitations vertically, kind of athletic, but he had a good college coach like Alex Smith did with Urban Meyer, didn't blow me away.

And then I watch him and I'm like, he's pretty accurate. He's good on timing routes. What have you taken from Daniel Jones? Look, Daniel Jones is exactly what the New York Giants wanted. And here's what happens when you have these snap judgments when guys are drafted. There was a lot of negative reaction to Daniel Jones going. there because people expected another player to go at number six, be it

Duane Haskins, a position player, whatever. David Gettleman had his eyes set on Daniel Jones. He believed that Daniel Jones was the next player that come to the franchise and be a franchise quarterback. And right now, he looks correct. When I look at Daniel Jones, the one thing that

stands out to me, it doesn't look like the game is too big for him. Yeah. He's calm. He's cool. He plays with patience and discipline. He was 11 for 14. Didn't like the two fumbles that he had. but the fact that he has been razor sharp in these two preseason games speaks volumes about him, but it also says a lot about what Pat Shermer and the coaching staff are doing to make him very, very comfortable. By the way, when Dak came out and played in the preseason, I remember my takeaway was he looks comfortable.

Yes. Like that's a thing. Like you'll watch guys and you'll watch their feet and you're like, okay, that rookie is not comfortable. And Daniel looks comfortable. He looks comfortable. Let's just compare it. And I love Drew Locke. But the first time we saw Drew Locke in the Hall of Fame game.

Not good. We saw how fast it appeared the game to be. He couldn't speed up. He couldn't catch up. Daniel Jones hasn't shown any of that. And we can say, oh, he's playing against the backups and all of that. The pressure is still the same for a guy making the transition to the league. He's been able to step up, be comfortable, find a way to keep his heart rate down and make the

throws that we're just asking him to make. Make the layups. He's been able to do that. Run the offense, manage the things that you have to manage as a quarterback. Daniel Jones has checked off a lot of the boxes. I'm not saying that he should be the starter, but I do believe Dave Gettleman goes to his office and he feels good about the pick that he made

when he took Daniel Jones and 6th. All right, so the preseason, we got all this stuff and the AB nonsense and Drew Rosenhouse says it's just a helmet issue. In your years of playing, scouting, and talking about, when you're talking to your guys behind the scenes on AB, has there ever been an equipment issue in your life like this? I mean, it's kind of ridiculous what we're arguing about, what he's protesting.

I'll bring it personal. So coaching high school ball, I have to handle equipment. The helmets. The helmets have a 10-year life. Like, after 10 years, you have to remove them off the shells because they're not safe anymore. A.B. has run the gamut with the helmet that he has. They cannot let him go on to the field with the helmet. He has to understand that.

It's not safe. The technology is completely different now. And what the league is trying to do is to protect him from himself. And I understand all of us have certain things that we like when it comes to our uniform and our equipment, whether it's our shoulder pads, our knee pads, our cleats, even the helmet and the face mask, in the way that you have sight lines. But for him to make this helmet deal a big commotion, to me it's just been a big distraction. and like Mike Mayock said, like, at some point, you got 89 guys here working,

and he's kind of been the outlier. At some point, he has to come to work. He has to be a part of the team. They can't keep making excuses for him going AWOL. Because even if you don't like the helmet, you just don't go AWOL from camp. You still show up, you still go to practice. You're a professional. You're an employee.

You have to show up to work. He hasn't shown him to work. To me, that's the more troubling thing. Not the helmet. This dude just blows off practices like it's not a big deal. To me, it's a problem, and he's setting a bad example for the young guys in the locker room. Bucky Brooks, player scout NFL network. Good seeing you.

By the way, get your free credit scorecard today, even if you're not a Discover customer. FICA credit score.com. SlashCredit scorecard limitations apply. Joey with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So the Cowboys were without two of their stars Saturday in Zeke and Amari.

but that didn't slow their offense down. They marched 97 yards down the field for a touchdown, and 82 of them came courtesy of two players, Tony Pollard and Michael Gallup. And after the game, Jerry Jones was in high spirits. It's Pollard your best negotiator with Zee? Who? Pollard.

She could. He's got your camera. It's great. It did get everyone giggling. but Chris Mortensen just tweeted this. Drew a few laughs, but neither Ezeko Elliott nor agent Rocky Arsenal found Cowboys Jerry Jones quipe Zeke, who, as I'm using, Arsenault, quote, I didn't think it was funny and neither did Zeke. We actually thought it was disrespectful.

Oh boy. Mortensen followed up. Elliot is still training in Cabo St. Lucas at a, quote, great facility during his contract. Holdout, no real activity yet on negotiations. Somebody, I read something yet. yesterday. I wasn't on the phone much, but I thought he had come back to Dallas or something. What was that report? That was a false report? Well, I don't know, but this report here is saying he's still in Cabo.

And by the way, that was disrespectful, Jerry's sense of humor. I mean, if you're Zeke, that probably does feel a little bit disrespectful. I mean, it's a fourth round rookie running back. Zika Elliott is arguably the best running back, if not top three in the NFL. I mean, yeah, of course he's going to think it's disrespectful. How disrespectful does he think it is, though, is the question. Disrespectful enough to not budge at all on any contract negotiations? That sounds very tense, very terse.

I mean, think about it. If you were in the middle of a very public contract negotiation and the owner of the company that you're negotiating with went out and said, Colin who, I doubt you would think it was funny. Oh, hilarious. Laughing for days. I don't know. This could get a – well, it is funny that jury said it. it could add to a little bit of attention there with negotiations. So John Marr made it clear last week.

He wants Eli Manning to start all 16 games this season. He said, quote, I hope Eli has a great year and Daniel never sees the field. This, of course, sparked some rumors that ownership is pushing Pat Shermer to start Eli no matter how well Daniel Jones plays. He said recently Eli's are starting quarterback and will start the season. And here is what Shermer had to say about it. John owns the team, right? and we're on the same page.

There's really not much more to say. And I think I've been saying that all along. I just get a sense once in a while that when I answer those questions, nobody believes me. Well, you heard it from the owner. By the way, those are two separate things. John owns the team and we're on the same page. Those are two different discussions.

Well, I mean, I think he was kind of trying to clear it up there, but saying someone owns a team is basically saying, If that's what he wants to happen, that's what's going to happen. But he didn't really directly say that. Isn't amazing that the Colts had an easier time moving off Peyton? One of the great quarterbacks of my life. I was telling a buddy the other day, in my lifetime I could make the argument. The best I've ever seen are Joe, Tom, and Peyton.

Elway's probably close. But the Colts moved off it, got emotional. The Giants are having a hell of a time. Well, you know, we do talk about loyalty in professional sports a lot, and teams tend to not be loyal to players who have given a lot to their organization. So to the Giants' credit, they are incredibly loyal to Eli Manning. And Eli Manning clearly still wants to play and is not ready to retire, and they're giving him the opportunity to do that. So I guess you have to give them some credit in that regard. But it seems a bit odd when you pair that with taking Daniel Jones, number six overall first round in the draft this year.

So it's like you have to know you're going to get these questions about him all year. The backup quarterback position is the most popular one until you put them out there. I just feel like when you have a situation like this, it's always best to be very clear on all fronts, not just while he's the owner and we're on the same page, meaning he's the owner so what he wants is going to go at the end of the day. We all know that. But to come out, it's very different, obviously, because the dolphins aren't replacing a legendary or franchise. I don't know if you call Eli Legendary, but he does have to do Super Bowls. a quarterback of Eli's stature.

If you don't want a million questions, just be very clear about the direction that you're going. You can always change your mind. What are we going to do? Stop watching? No. But you can come out and say, this is our plan. This is what we are doing.

Unless we tell you otherwise, this is what's happening at the beginning of the year. Eli Manning is a starting quarterback. We're developing Daniel Jones. No matter how well he plays, Eli is a starter of this team this year. The fuzzy or the answer, the more questions I ask. Right.

And we're going to have questions. and he's going to play well, and you can say, no matter how well he plays, he is in a development year this year. And then it's done. Finally, DeMarcus Cousins is likely going to miss the entire season with a torn ACL, and the Lakers only have Javelle McGee at center. And now, reports are saying that the Lakers might have interest in Dwight Howard, according to Ramona Shelburne. Regarding the Lakers and Dwight Howard, a team source says their interest is more due diligence after the buggy injury, Memphis has granted permission for Dwight and his camp to speak to teams, one of which is. the Lakers. And according to Shams, the Lakers have been patient in approach since

Cousin's injury. And another accomplished veteran center on the market is Joachim Noah. Howard is expected to eventually be released by Memphis. Now, Anthony Davis was also capable of playing the center position, but has zero interest. Remember when he said this at his Lakers presser? I like playing the four. I'm not even on sugarcoat it. I like playing the four. I don't really like playing a fire. But if it comes down to it, coach, and he need me to play the five then. I'll play the five. Situation.

Clearly, if Joe Kim No and Dwight Howard are options, they're just looking for somebody to gobble 16 minutes tonight. That's what that's what that's about. Well, yeah, I mean, that's essentially what Boogie was going to do, but Boogie when healthy is young still and incredibly talented. Not that Dwight Howard and Yol Kim Noa aren't talented, but it just feels like that's a five-year-two-late lineup. It feels like desperation by the Lakers.

And if you're going to go to those levels and to that pool, to me, Carmelo Anthony still makes more sense because at least he can spread the floor. And he's an incredible score. I have a feeling, I really believe this, the Lakers are going to be a little bit of an underachieving, noisy. I'll just leave it there. I think they're going to be underachieving and noisy this year. The more I look at this roster, there's a lot of old guys. there's a lot. There's one young guy. Everybody's had an injury. AD's had injury. LeBron Bigwin, Jared Dudley, Rondo. I have a feeling they're going to be really noisy and went about 44 games.

And that's going to be about fifth to sixth in the West. And they'll get in, but they're going to play two Road Series. And I don't think in the West that's ideal. I just have a weird. This whole thing just feels already. It's like, you're just getting older. Yes. It feels very new. Not new and young. It feels very new, and there's a lot of question marks with those new pieces and how they're all going to fit. And we're not even talking about the fact that it's the bronze first year with a new head coach in top of all this. So it's not like all these pieces are coming into an established culture and situation. Definitely going to be noisy, though. Yeah. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie news. Coming up over unders on the Raiders season. Vegas over unders will play the game on what do I expect. Obviously, Oakland's got a little bit of a three-ring circus feel to it.

We'll talk about the Raiders and where I see them landing this year on a variety of topics. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. Lock it in today. That's right. Lock it ends on today. It's returning from its brief summer hiatus. It's back today with Cousin Sal and Rachel and Todd Furman and Clay Travis,

who will miss three out of four picks, but that's his charm. So Lock It In today, in honor of Lock It In coming back, we thought we'd play a game today and best for last, over-under game about Antonio Brown and the Raiders called What Can Brown Do for You? UPS. You know, that's kind of clever, funny thing there. All right, Joy, you ready to go? Yes.

There we go. Over under 1,212.5 yards for Antonio Brown this season. First of all, that's a lot of yards. Okay, like I don't think any receivers ever had 2,000. Raiders haven't had somebody over 1,200 since Jerry Rice. So I'm going to go slightly under. Okay. I don't love the Raiders offensive line.

And also, you've got to remember, with Big Ben, the best deep ball thrower maybe in the league. with Patrick Mahomes, getting to that 1,200-yard mark is easier than Derek Carr. So I say under on 1,200 yards for Antonio Brown. I'd agree with that. Over under 95.5 receptions for Antonio Brown this summer. Again, that's a massive number. Okay.

Antonio Brown, with Pittsburgh, with a great offensive line, with an organization. The Steelers last year were second in the NFL in a percentage of offensive. of plays that were passes. And with that, he's averaged 93 catches. So I'm going to go under on 95 catches for Antonio Brown. Over under 7.5 receiving touchdowns for Antonio Brown this season. I'd go over on that. He averages over that.

And again, I don't think his volume will be as good, but he's a playmaker. and yeah, I don't, I really do think the Raiders, one of the things last year that if you're a Raider fan that you had to veal somewhat good about is I thought they were pretty competitive at the end of the year. Gruden's offenses were competitive. They also are an offense joy. They're not going to stop many people defensively,

so they're going to be a risk-taking offense. So Antonio Brown's going to get a ton of looks, and I don't think it's asking much that he scores a touchdown every other game. Yeah, 7.5 feels a little low. Yeah. All right, over under, point five games missed for Antonio Brown this season.

That'll be under. He plays. So Antonio's not a guy that gets hurt a ton. He is a workout phenom. And again, I think he'll, I think he'll be here. As long as he plays week one, I feel good about this bet. He's played 15 games in five of the last six years. So him, him lasting a season, unlike Odell Beckham, who's a smaller receiver who has heard often, A, B is more Jarvis Landry. He's always ready to play. I don't know. With the helmet and the feet. I know, but they say Drew Rosenhaus, he is an agent, but he said his feet were fine. It's getting better. Over under 5.5 wins for the Oakland Raiders this season. Under. A division's great. Schedule, by the way. They're playing everywhere except Dusseldorf.

I mean, they're playing a home game in Winnipeg in the preseason. Listen, they've averaged five wins the last 16 years. That's what they average. And I would say the top of their division is as good as it's been for years. I mean, the Chiefs and the Chargers are loaded. They don't, those are, they got to go up against Mahomes and Phillip Rivers, and they're not very good on the back end of their defense. They don't have a pass rush. They didn't last year. Raider fans are funny. They think everybody's against them. You average five wins a year for a decade and a half. And your schedule has the most miles traveled of any schedule in the NFL. Not only this year, but I think the last several years.

That's a lot. Yeah. All right, over under 0.5 helmets worn for Antonio Brown this season. Over. He will wear a helmet. I'm sure that during the course of the season, he will wear a helmet. Unless he doesn't play because of the helmet. Yeah, their schedule. I don't have their schedule in front of me.

It's brutal. Raider fans are very funny. Like most fans, what can Brown do for you? Most fans are fairly realistic about it. what they are. And then there are a handful of fan bases that are, like, I think cowboy fans, by and large, are comfortable saying we're a good team. We don't feel like we're the best team in football, but we should be in the top eight or nine. I think most cowboy fans are realistic. I think Notre Dame fans know that on most Saturdays they can beat anybody not named Clemson

or Alabama, right? And people look at Notre Dame and cowboy fans is unrealistic. Most Notre Dame cowboy fans, I think, are fairly, and they've gotten more realistic over time. Raider fans have this weird obsession with the media. It's not us. You've been bad for 15 to 17 straight years. Don't blame the messenger. You win five games a year. And now your schedule's worse than it's ever been, harder than it's ever been.

Your division at the top is better than it's ever been. And oh, by the way, you've got a major distraction in camp. It's on you. It's not on us. It's a weird fan base. I think the Browns have a little bit of that too. Well, I do think the Brown's roster, if I lived in Cleveland, my takeaway would be today, we've got a lot of talented players.

I think for a Brown fan, if you really talk to the average Brown fan, most are guaranteeing playoffs. I don't think most are guaranteeing Super Bowl. They do know that Tom Brady is still, he still exists. You think so? Tom Brady? We start with the Steelers in Roth. this burger. Well, no, but they, you know, it's funny about Cleveland. So last year, Cleveland

was 7, 8, 1, and they are sure they're going to win the division. Pittsburgh was 9, 6, and 1. By the way, the Browns were blown out five times last year. I think they were blown out once by Pittsburgh, once by Houston, once by the Chargers. They got blown out by somebody else really good. They were blown out several times. Nothing against Olivier Vernon and O'Dell Beckham, but that doesn't make you a great football team. Well, I mean, it's not that they haven't taken a step up, and I'm sure Baker Mayfield is going to be better than he was last year, and it's a more stable situation than it was last year. All those things are in play. I just, it's like this reaction as if anyone questions that you're going to win the Super Bowl that you're being unrealistic.

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