The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Don't Pass On Tua

Episode Date: April 21, 2020

Colin discusses the possible NFL draft rating numbers, the lasting power of Michael Jordan’s brand, why passing on Tua Tagovailoa would be a mistake, why the new process for the NFL draft shouldn��t be an excuse for GMs, and his thoughts on Draymond Green's comments on Kevin Durant’s final season with the Warriors. Guests include Peter Schrager, Al Michaels, and Russell Wilson. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We'll be joining us at the top of hour number three. Peter Schrager this hour, and Joy Taylor is joining me live from her secluded grotto somewhere near Hollywood slash Beverly Hills slash Century City. How are you, Joy? I'm doing good. I finally gave in last night, Colin. I've been pretty good about like, you know, only getting off the diet once a week. Yeah. I'm kind of careful since I'm not walking around us.

much. Yeah. How to get Fat Burger last night. There we go. Let's hear it for Fat Burger. And a shake. There you go. My daughter yesterday.

See, I was eating yesterday. Yesterday was just an eating day. All day long, I couldn't stop eating and it felt great. Well, it's great to have you in. By the way, I have to note this. The last dance was that Michael Jordan documentary. It had massive numbers. It beat all but a couple of NBA games this year.

And the only games that it didn't beat were the Christmas Day games, and we're all sitting home. So it's unbelievable. And now my question is going to be to you. And I think you know the answer is, oh, my God, what is the draft going to get? As we have predicted, the draft is going to get record numbers. It will be the most watched draft of all time. It will not be technically perfect.

There will be glitches. It won't be as snazzy. But you cannot be paralyzed by perfection. And it should be noted, even with dealing with this virus. stop worrying about the optics. Remember the NFL reporter three weeks ago? We can't have the draft. There's blood on the hands of the NFL.

Stop it. You can't be paralyzed by perfection. You got to hold the draft. We have our advertisers slowly coming back. We got to get past this. A lot of sports actually work. NASCAR, golf, horse racing. They all work.

You could do a boxing match. UFC, tennis. There's stuff that's going to work. We're all just kind of waiting. when we can implement team sports because horse racing is going on. Golf's coming up. NASCAR's coming up. Some stuff works.

Guy in a car, guy in a horse, two people and an official. Somebody wears a mask. But again, what I think it really illustrates. What I think Sunday really illustrates. Because the rating would have been big. Obviously, Christmas NBA games get bigger ratings because we're all home. And obviously, we're all home for this, so it gets a big rating. But it really does illustrate the last.

The lasting power of Michael Jordan. I would say brands are the opposite of perfume. You can always tell a really, really cheap perfume because if a woman's wearing a cheap perfume and she walks by you and you can smell it and she leaves and you can still smell it four and five seconds later, that's a really cheap, tacky perfume. Brands, it's the opposite. it. The longer you can sense them, the longer you feel you can taste them and smell them, the better they are. Here is how great Michael Jordan's brand is. He has the greatest brand

in the history of American sports. So last year, shoe sales in the NBA, just consider this. LeBron's shoe sales, KD's, Steffs, Kobe, Hardin, Kyrie, and Damien Lillard, combined sold 129 million shoes. Michael Jordan sold 130 million. By himself. He is our Babe Ruth.

Babe Ruth died in 1948. Stop playing far before that. And Major League Baseball a few years ago added an asterisk to the home run total to protect Bay Ruth. Babe Ruth had a brand before there were brands. He was the first. pre-brand brand.

And there have been other great brands. Nothing close to Michael. And there's an old saying, and I've heard this for years and years. Oh, nobody is replaceable. In my business, everybody's replaceable. No, no, not. Howard Stern wasn't replaceable. Howard Stern left FM radio.

And the industry died. It died. It just died. Nobody listens to FM. It just doesn't do very well, right? Steve Jobs left Affle. They had to go get Steve Jobs again because he was not replaceable.

Muhammad Ali, boxing has never had in the heavyweight division. Somebody that good looking, that great, that socially impactful, that polarizing, and that glamorous. They've never replaced him. They have never replaced him.

I don't believe they'll ever be a Tiger Woods on the tour. And the NBA to this day, all those shoot numbers, Kobe's and Hardens and staff, and LeBron and KD. Michael's been retired for 20 years. I mean, here's the power of Michael.

When you're, they talk about when your brain protects you from bad memories as a child. It's like a protective mechanism in our brain. Michael Jordan affects our brain. We protect his legacy. We, we didn't just watch him. We loved him. And it protects us. It's as if the Washington Wizards years don't exist.

He was still in his 30s. he could not lead a team to the playoffs. Half the league at that point got into the playoffs. He couldn't get into the playoffs. He never looked in great shape. He was goosing his stats to average 20 a game the last year. It's like it didn't exist. Everybody says, oh, Michael took two years off to play baseball.

No, he didn't. He took one year off. And then he came back and got eliminated in the eastern semis by Orlando. That literally doesn't exist. It's just disappeared into the... a smoke stack. You see it for a second. As smoke goes, it just disappears into the ether. That's the power of Michael Jordan. He was irreplaceable. Never forget, LeBron is making a movie now. It's a sequel to a Michael Jordan movie. Never forget that Derek Jeter was the first or second,

most popular player in baseball. He wore Jordan's gear. The top five of three. The top five six college programs, football programs in America. Many of them were the Jordan brand. He was a basketball player. But maybe most of all is the saying that Michael Jordan created. Michael Jordan was so great at basketball that there became a term used in America. If you were really great at baking, oh, you're the Michael Jordan of baking. You became the Michael Jordan of landscapers.

This guy is the Michael Jordan of magicians. That term for a long time existed. And you saw it Sunday night in the documentary. Just, just don't, everybody feels better about themselves when you say everybody's replaceable. It makes us all feel better, right? We're all human. You haven't separated too much from me. No, there are people that are irreplaceable.

The NBA has still never replaced Michael Jordan. All right, let's move to this. Nick Saban said yesterday, you pass on Tua, you're going to regret it. This is what Davosweeney, remember Davo Sweeney told us about Deshaun Watson? Remember what Dabo Sweeney said? Deshaun Watson's the Michael Jordan of football players. So yesterday, Mac Brown came on, and there was a sentence. I'm going to give you about 20 seconds of Mac Brown.

But listen for the key sentence in terms of Tua's injury. If he's great enough that I'm... think he can win the Super Bowl and the medical team says he's going to be fine with our modern medicine. As long as the doctors say he'll be fine, you just move on. And I've talked to a lot of the scouts about Tua and said, will this matter? And they've said, the scouts will only look at his ability. The medical team will get the analogy of whether he's physically ready to go or not, but that'll have nothing to do from the evaluation side of his draft. Did you notice Mack Brown and Brian Kelly had talked about this earlier

and last week is that they talked about modern medicine. What can modern medicine do? That's why you have to be careful about comparing this to Bo Jackson's hip injury. Just think of what modern medicine has done since Bo Jackson. Hepatitis C no longer exists.

20% of cancers solved. Stem cell research. We know. now have 3D, I'm not joking, 3D body parts. They call it 3D organ printing. My son has a 3D printer. They can print body parts. Stem cell research, cancer numbers down, hepatitis C is gone, the world's first artificial pancreas, hormones for heart treatment. A torn ACL career used to be probably over. Then it was 18 months. Now some guys are better in six, seven months. You have to consider the modern advances. We also have a precedent. We can look at the Bo Jackson situation

and look the mistakes we made. This is what we'll do with the virus. If there's a second or a third wave of the virus, what mistakes did we make in the first wave of the virus? That's why I'm very encouraged about getting out of this virus eventually. I don't think the second wave will be as bad as the first wave and the third wave won't be as the second wave and the fourth wave won't be, and there'll be waves of this. But when my mom grew up, there was literally one way. When my mom came America from Great Britain. Her entire life, there was one way to finance a home. 30-year mortgage. That was it. Now, there's a conventional mortgage. There's FHA loans. There's home equity lines of credit. There's seller financing. There's adjustable rate mortgages. There's USDA loans and VA

loans and 203K loans. And there's 50 ways to finance a home. America's smart. We have advancements in technology. Good God. Look at technology. Look at Silicon. Valley. It changes every 18 months. Financing your home, medical advances. So again, I think Mack Brown and Brian Kelly talked about, well, I mean, with modern medicine, they're seeing players recruited they have get hurt and get back on the field, like really, really fast. And I know hips are scary and hips are at ankles. But I do think if you're Miami and you have over the next two years 25 draft picks, I think you roll the dice. If you're the chargers and have two good receivers and two pass rushers and three good corners and two good running backs,

I think you cobble together one of those players and some draft picks and you go and if you can't get Herbert, you maybe roll the dice and get Tua. But you got to remember, things get better, things get solved, things get improved. And I think Tua is absolutely like Nick Saban says, absolutely worth the risk. Peter Schrager this hour, Al Michael's top of next hour, the great broadcaster, and Russell Wilson in our third hour. It's great to have you in today. Don't know how your weather is, I will say, looked out the window doing our prep this morning, and it was incredibly encouraging.

It's nice to see sun on the forecast for the next seven or eight days. Coming up next, people are buying insurance. It's ridiculous. People are already protecting themselves from potentially making a big number. mistake so they don't get fired. Wait until you hear these dozies coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays

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who have been amazing stories of the associates and the workers of Lowe's. What's going on in those stores in the last month and to the workers. So I think people sometimes buy insurance. Not just for your house or your car or something like that. But you buy insurance so if you screw up, you don't get penalized as punitively. And, you know, you either go all in or you don't to me. But you're seeing this in the NFL. So yesterday they had a virtual draft.

And it should be noted the XFL did a virtual draft. No problems. The WNBA just did a virtual draft. No problems. But the NFL is much bigger business. much bigger business. And jobs pay seven figures for the best GMs, all GMs. And seven figures for, you know, the coaches, big seven figures. So they're buying insurance to protect their butt. So yesterday at 1 o'clock, the NFL held a virtual draft. And by 120, reporters were breaking

stories. It's a disaster. It's man overboard. It's really chaotic. Bad GMs and bad coaches buying insurance so if their draft stinks they can say to their owner it was chaos i mean i had to do online scouting i could there was no pro day go back and read the stories it was what what gm could overcome this sort of crisis and then there's john elway who's a legend and is a net worth over a hundred million he probably wasn't spending a lot of time texting local beat guy to go to Twitter. Here's what John Elway, a grown-up, a successful man said. The draft went

smoothly. It got off to a little bit of a hiccup when we first started, but other than that, I went really smooth. There were really no problems with it, so we got more comfortable with it. So it should be fine and go on without a glitch. I'm sure there'll be a couple of glitches here and there, but actually for the first, for the first time, I thought it went pretty well.

Stanford guy, 100 million net worth guy, legend guy, securing himself guy. It's fine. A little glitch. you do get before I ever did the herd on Fox Sports Radio, we were doing run-throughs, and there were little glitches. And our first couple shows weren't great. You can argue our first year had some glitches, and it was fine, and we're grown-ups, and you overcome it. John Elway is like, yeah, it was a little glitched Cincinnati is fine.

Everybody buying insurance. So when they whiff on the draft picks, which lots of teams historically do, I bet you the Patriots weren't sending this out. I bet you Elway, we know Elway wasn't sending it out. I bet you it wasn't Sean Payton. It's the second tier guys holding onto their jobs. By the way, post-crisis, the winners in all industries are people that can adapt. Rigid people are going to struggle. You've got to adapt.

It's just like quarterbacks. What do we always say about quarterbacks? Anybody can throw a strike in a clean pocket. The great quarterbacks can throw with people hanging on them. The great quarterbacks have high. high completion percentages during blitzes. None of us, including NFL GMs and coaches over the next week, are going to be standing in a clean pocket.

It's going to be muddy. There's going to be people hanging on you. And there's going to be chaos. And like great quarterbacks, the halves will flourish. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

Payne Manning and Tom Brady dominated the air. for years and Manning admits he didn't think that Brady would switch conferences. I'm a little surprised he jumped over to the NFC. I always see Tom Brady as an ASC guy. So he's going to have to go through initiation to learn the ropes of the NFC. But they got a great team around that it sounds like Bruce Ariens was my quarterback's coach in that rookie season in my first few years in the NFL. He's got a tough division. I don't think the Saints and the Falcons and the Panthers are going to just let the Bucks kind of roll into town. It should be made for some interesting divisional games and matchups.

He's not wrong. Three of the four teams in the division have played in at least one NFC title game over the last five years. The only team that hasn't made it that far in the playoffs is, of course, the Bucks. And 2007 was the last time the Tampa made the playoffs. It's the longest drought without a playoff berth in the NFC and the second longest in the NFL. But obviously we all feel much better about the Bucks future this year, considering that Tom Brady is there. And they have a lot of talent.

And they were kind of right there last year in a few games that would have, you know, changed the whole season around and maybe Kate kept James Winston there. But he isn't wrong. It's not really the easiest division. Going from the AFC East over the last 20 years to the NFC South is a big change. If you took the NFC South, Joy, and you did a Pro Bowl team on the NFC South, your receivers would be Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, and Julio Jones. and Mike Thomas.

Okay. I can argue I would just take those four in the NFL. I mean, seriously, because A.B.'s gone. OBJ's health an issue. Just look at the receivers in that division. The all-pro team, I would take Evans, Mike Thomas, Julio Jones, and then Chris Godwin. And by the way, you're running backs. It would be Elvin Kamara and Christian McCaffrey.

And the quarterbacks would be Brady, Breeze, Matt Ryan, and I've said before, the best backup for the last several years in the NFL is Teddy Bridgewater. So what you're going to see in that division is a lot of offense and a lot of, it's going to be the most entertaining division in the NFL. That we can say, Brady and Breeze twice a year. You've got to be kidding me. That'll feel like a playoff game twice a year. Well, and you have to consider that Breeze and Matt Ryan are coming back to the same situation, same coaches, a lot of the same staff and rosters. And Brady is not only with a completely new city organization coach coaching staff roster,

new conference. And then, you know, you have a completely new situation in Carolina as well. So I'm going to lean towards the division winners for this year, at least, having a huge advantage with the guys that are coming back in solid situations because of everything that's going on in the world. I mean, Tom Brady got kicked out of a park yesterday. Tampa's mayor said that they found him in a park. Like, Paul, the parks are closed.

Some guys are running around in the park. And they're like, oh, my God, it's Tom Brady. I've been in that park. I used to live in Tampa. I've been in that park. I was never kicked out of it. He's staying in a massive house, but apparently they don't have a big yard. So it's, I mean, there's something to it.

And he's a type of guy that likes to work a lot with his receivers. And obviously, accuracy is a big deal to him. So, so, Doc Prescott and the Cowboys are still negotiating along. term deal, the longest conversation about a deal we probably ever had. It seems like the contract situation that will never end. But DAC did get a little bit of good news today. His exclusive franchise tag for 2020 was recalculated and will now be worth 31.4 million. I like that number. It's increased a lot. It was 26.8 million after salaries from restricted free agents were finalized. So it's gone up a significant amount. There's still a conversation about whether he's

going to participate in the virtual OTAs or if he's going to, you know, not sign the tag. But sources have said that the two sides have spoken the last two weeks and the sessions were very positive and they have until July 15th to get the deal done. So eventually this will come to an end in that never-ended conversation about Dak Prescott's deal. So Jemont Green is still unhappy with Kevin Durant and how he handled his free agency in 2019. He thinks Katie should have given the team a heads up that he was leaving. What should have happened was Kevin come up. and say, hey, man, like, this is it.

Like, so let's do this, or this isn't it? You know what I'm saying? But you can't just lead an elephant in the room because what happened was the question came to us every day. Like, every time we spoke to the media, Clay and myself was asked about our contract. And it was strictly due to Kevin. He's not wrong.

He's not wrong, but Kevin Durant doesn't owe that to him or to the Warriors or to anybody. We deal with this in the NBA. every single year. There's always one big free agents. We're having Anthony Davis next year. He's probably going to stay with the Lakers, of course. But every year, there is a big free agent on the market. And that's how the contracts for the stars are structured now. Jaymond Green isn't in that situation. But he's not Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant has earned the right to be able to control his destiny. And you can't compare it to the two. They're talking about the last dance and how

they all knew that this was the last year. Well, they knew it was the last year because Phil Jackson was 100% not coming back. And Jordan decided he wasn't going to play without Phil Jackson. It's a completely different situation. It's a different era. They're not comparable situations. The NBA is completely different now. You can't ask Kevin Durant to come out and make a decision at the beginning of the year.

And say he says he's going to stay. He's 100% going to stay. And at the end of the year, his feelings changed because that situation with Jamon Green still happened. Then what? Then Kevin Durant is the villain because he changed his mind? That's just not how free agency works. Well, I've got thoughts on that.

I think Kevin left. Kevin's a star. And there's going to be reverb on this for a long time. I think there's going to be. Yeah, I mean, listen, when people talk about you when you leave, you matter. And Kevin Durant matters in the NBA. After LeBron, he matters more than any other player, in my opinion. Kauai Leonard, KD. LeBron, matter more than all the rest of the league, including Janus.

And so, listen, there's going to be a lot of divorces. I had a good one. They don't end clean. Like there's reverb on it. There's pushback. There's hurt feelings. That's the way it works. Absolutely. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News.

Peter Schrager, Jake Laser and Joel Clatt, Fox Sports Radio this Thursday at 8 Eastern, hosting our draft show, which is great. He is joining us now, Shraig, sponsored by Mercedes-Benz the best or nothing. So I was saying, you know, John Elway was asked about yesterday's run through. on the draft. And he was like, yeah, it was a glitch in Cincinnati. It was fine. But I see all these guys rushing to reporters to say it was chaos and it was brutal. And it was, and it feels like a bunch of bad GMs buying insurance. So if they whiff on the draft, they can go to their owner and say, I mean, it was just, come on, it was ridiculous. John Elway's like, yeah,

glitch, fine, good. What did you hear about all the virtual draft yesterday? It's similar to what L.A. saying. And it's amazing how quickly everyone rushed to those reporters to get those tweets out that it was a disaster. I heard that the Bengals had trouble with Pick 1, and it wasn't the team. It was just the technology. And it was maybe because everyone had their speakers on, and you could hear all the teams at once. So once they figured out the audio was fine. So the word I got was Bengals at 1 was tough.

It was much longer than it was supposed to be on the clock. Nothing against the Bengals, but an overall problem. And then it went very smoothly, 1 to 32 from there on out. So it's too bad because the tweets already had gone out, and that was the big report. And it was like the world, you know, we've got to figure out. No, no, no. everyone just take a breath. It's going to be okay.

And guess what? I think we're all living in a new world where we're trying to adjust the technology on the fly. And I think we can give the NFL a little bit of a pardon if on the run through, there might have been a little hiccup at the beginning. Now, the one thing I do think is interesting. I'm not saying there won't be trades, but is it possible people will be more reluctant to do a complicated trade? that is spot on Colin and maybe if they've had talks for the last several days but in the past

in the draft what's happened if you'd say Vikings are up at 22 they're on the clock and all of a sudden the Seahawks call the Redskins call the Giants call and they're fielding all the calls and they've got I don't know if teams going into the first round they're going to be able to handle what's coming with all these different voices in different rooms

and having to communicate I think honestly Colin I think the first round is going to be the quickest first round we've ever seen. I also think a lot of teams are going to trust the board that they've been working on for five weeks and they've come to a conclusion. That's the first round. That's how I see it. I don't see a crazy amount of action.

Then days two and day three, that's when I think it gets absolutely nuts. And teams are like, all right, well, I like this guy. I don't know if there's another part of it. I don't know if this guy's going to go in the third round or the seventh round. I like them now. I'll take them because, Colin, which I think you'll appreciate this insight, something a GM told me yesterday on the phone. Because there was no pro days,

these scouts haven't been all traveling together where the theory of groupthink hasn't taken hold. So if you go to the Clemson pro day on Tuesday and the Oklahoma pro day on Wednesday and the pro day on Thursday and you're all talking and having the same conversations and you're seeing the same people, an element of group think begins to happen

where, okay, well, if that guy said it and that guy said it and that guy said it, it must be right. There's been no pro days. The scouts have not been traveling together. So they've been siloed off in separate building. One team's board might look completely different than another team's board because the scouts and the GMs haven't been gabbing about it on planes and an airport for the last 25 days. Okay, smoke there's fire, the old saying, right?

Where there's smoke, there's fire. An increasing number of Tua stories and concern about his health. Update us on what you're hearing. There's real concern. and it's not necessarily about, okay, well, I don't know if the hip is healing. They're saying the doctors who are independent are saying it's fine. It's more, I don't know if I want to put my job on the line with a guy that I haven't had my doctor look at myself. So I think this is one of those deals where it's been hit on by Nick Saban.

It's been hit on by others. Tua doesn't sit in the pocket and just, you know, sit there and then throw the ball out of bounds. Tua and I try to go for the extra yard. Everything you love about Tua, the way he extends plays, the way he's fighting for every single yard, that's the stuff that gives people caution when you're six feet and you've got a litany of injuries. I'm talking hip, ankle, wrist, all these things. These aren't happenstance injuries. These are because of a place fearless.

So without my opportunity to have them in my building, without my opportunity to have my coaches put them on the board and talk with them, it might be easier to say, you know what, I'm going to take the sure thing left tackle, or I'm going to take the sure thing cornerback, or at least I'm going to take a position where I'm not going to lose my job. this guy doesn't take the field in the next 18 months or whatever could happen if he got hurt again in the NFL. Interesting. Let me throw a team that this was thrown out to me a couple days ago. You and I know that quarterback edge rusher left tackle these days, star wide receiver, elite

corner, those are the real positions that you start really building around. I mean, New England's always had good left tackle. good quarterback. They've whiffed on the receiver thing, but edge rushers, they've had pass rushes. I look at the Jets. Jamal Adams is fantastic. But if they pay Jamal Adams big money, their three biggest contracts will be for running back safety and middle linebacker, that's not how you build dynasties. That's not how Bill Walsh did it, and it's not how Bill Belichick did it, and Bill Parcells did it. I look at Jamal Adams and I hear about trades, and I think, I can simultaneously love him, but if I can get a first, a second,

and a player, I look at the New York Jets and the Jamal Adams story. It seems to me if I want to give Sam Darrell the fighting chance for the next two years, it's not paying one of the best football players in New York in 20 years, that kind of money, even though you can love him. What are you hearing on Jamal Adams, the draft, and the Jets? That's the paradox, right? Because I can tell you, knowing the Jets as well as I do, they do love Jamal Adams. they love them as a player and they love them as a guy.

He's a fantastic player. There was, and this doesn't come from the jet. He comes from other people around the league during this week. On Friday in the New Jersey, New York market where you know what's going on in the world. I mean, that's the epicenter of everything. And everyone is kind of deal with health issues. Everyone knows somebody going through something. Then you've also got unemployment and you've got the entire city of New York

struggling to just get through day-to-day. Jamal Adams, the story comes out that, you know, he wants to, to negotiate he's going to be holding out from virtual training camp, which essentially is I'm not going to be logging into Zoom because I want more money, like time and place and awareness and tone. Like the teams around the league that I was talking to was like, geez, like, it's okay to say it's okay to not show up for training camp, it's okay to want more money. Do you need to leak that to reporters now at this point, Friday before the weekend when

New York City death tolls are a crazy like it shouldn't affect football world. And yet the feeling around the league was like, does the agent and Jamal not realize that maybe it's best to maybe hold off on the contract demands at this very moment? Because they do love Jamal Adams and they do love what he brings to the field. But to your point, Colin, if they're offering a top 10 pick and I can get my left tackle to go along with an 11th overall pick that maybe I could spend a wide receiver, and then maybe we can negotiate with Jamal Adams after the draft, maybe that's the way to approach this. I don't know if they'd be willing to trade them, but I certainly don't think they're slamming the down the phone and saying, no, under no conditions if you off the table,

if a team is to blow them away. Yeah, I mean, if the Jets could get a number one pick this year, and they could, because you know they're going to take a tackle with their first pick, and the second round, they'll probably go corner. If you could solve the wide receiver dilemma, also in the first or early second, I think you have to explore it. You've got to make sure, it's not just about paying guys, It's who do you pay?

And they need a left tackle, a corner, an edge rusher, and a star wide receiver. Okay, finally. Miami's got 14 picks this year. They have nine next year. So that's 23 picks in two years. And many first and second round picks, because they got two Texans picks next year for a second. It seems to me they have so much draft capital. If they're concerned about the chargers getting Justin Herbert,

a West Coast kid and a West Coast team. I just feel like the Miami Dolphins are going to move up and get that number three pick. It just feels like to me they're not going to risk their future. Am I nuts? To get who, though, right? Because I'm not convinced their slam dunk in love with Herbert. I think it's one of those deals that are like, all right, we don't think anyone's moving up ahead of us. If the Chargers are going to move up ahead of us, do we want to sacrifice these other picks

to make sure it's Herbert, or do we just sit pretty, and say, okay, well, we couldn't get Herbert at five, let's take a left tackle that we love, and then let's come back at this at 18, or let's take two. Like, there's just feeling that there's a feeding frenzy for people to trade up to three or four, and it's really what it's coming down to 48 hours ahead of time. It looks like it's a chess match between the Dolphins and the Chargers, and they game of chicken. Like, are you going to do it?

Are we going to do it? Are we going to stay put? Are you going to stay put? I'd be fascinated to see what they do it, but, you know, the bears. a couple of years ago, trade it up one kick because they might have been a little nervous that Trubisky wouldn't have been there at three, so they go up to two. I don't know if it's necessarily the need unless you think this guy is your quarterback for the next 15 years.

Like, if the dolphins are sold on Justin Herbert and it's no matter what and we have to get them, then yeah, trade up to three. But if they're like, all right, if Herbert's off the board, we'll go a different direction, then I don't think you mortgage any of those picks. That's why you trade Tunzel. That's why you trade Mink of Fitzpatrick. so you have the luxury of building up those other positions. Peter Schreger, just fantastic stuff.

He'll be on the Fox Sports Radio with Jay Glazer, Joel Clatt, a draft. It's fantastic. Between Glazer and Schroger, you're going to get so much live information on who's picking who. Can't wait for it, I'll be listening, plus Joel Clatt joining him. Thanks, buddy. You're the best, Colin. Thanks so much for having me on. You bet.

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Clay Thompson would say, I'm all in. I'm a warrior, Steph Curry. But he was criticizing Kevin Durant because he was always kind of waffling about it. And, you know, let's be honest about KD. KD left Draymond Green because they had kind of a passive-aggressive relationship at the end. They didn't really confront each other. Kevin was letting us all sort of stew on it and what is he going to do. And compare that to the alpha male that is Michael Jordan, who met all his obstacles head on.

He confronted teammates. He confronted the GM. He confronted Steve Curran punched him. He confronted every issue he had. He went right at it. He confronted the pistons. He fought with the Celtics. Katie runs.

He's passive aggressive. He does not confront. And when you have a documentary with 6 million viewers, and it's led in about a man's man and an alpha male, I know you guys all want to be evolved in a modern man and sensitive, but you put a sensitive guy next to a man's man. And even the girlfriend or wife would admit, yeah, the other guy's kind of hot. He's kind of a man's man.

He kind of, you know, confronts crap instead of being nice and evolved and modern and being bummed out about a Twitter account. And so Draymond Green, basically, when he ripped Kevin Durant, is just saying he never confronted us. He never was straight with us. What should have happened was Kevin come out and say, hey, man, like, this is it. Like, so let's do this or this isn't it. You know what I'm saying? but you can't just lead an elephant in the room because what happened was the question came to us every day.

Like every time we spoke to the media, Clay and myself was asked about our contract. And it was strictly due to Kevin. So Kevin, by not just coming out and saying something, and I think this is one of the things I like about KD is, you know, he's a listener. I think he can be really sensitive and the downside to be insensitive. When I watched the last dance, obviously Jerry Krause looks bad. But it does make some of these modern stars load management, passive aggressive,

it does make them look soft. I mean, Michael Jordan had real obstacles. Let's just talk about his NBA life. Let's not talk about their lives. Their NBA lives. Michael had, he took a physical beating. The game was much more physical in terms of hand check. There was virtual tackling.

He took a physical beating. He went to an organization so poor, the indoor soccer team in Chicago was more popular. The roster he inherited had Cokeheads all over it. You heard that story. He had a GM often not conspiring against him, but a difficult GM. He had a revolving door of coaches. He had ball hog teammates. Kevin Durant came into the NBA to the Sonics, generally well-run, although they were bad the year he entered the league.

and then by year two he has Westbrook, and year three he's got James Hardin, and Oklahoma City sold every ticket to every game, and they found a coach really early in Billy Donovan. And even the coach they fired was pretty good, and it's a fairly charmed NBA life. I am not saying Katie's childhood was ideal, or Michaels, they weren't.

But in terms of it, if you look at what Michael Jordan had to deal with, and you watched it in the first two episodes, a lot of obstacles, and he met all of them head on. He'd scream at a teammate. He'd get after a GM. He would get after the Pistons. He would confront them.

He was a man's man. He's an alpha. He had a strong dad. He's a strong guy. His dad was a man's man. He confront stuff. And by the way, when you do that, you offend people. You alienate people.

Weaker people. KD is more sensitive. He's not really the man's man's alpha thing. He's a little passive aggressive. He's a little bit more sensitive. And, you know, we were talking as a team this morning. If Michael and Kevin Durant ever played together, you know who would lead that team. Michael would chew him up because that's, and again, I'm not saying you don't want to be an involved man,

and I understand you want to have feelings. But when you put the man's man next to the sensitive guy, I think Michael's documentary, I watch it, and it does. It makes load management guy in the NBA look kind of pathetic, right? Right? A little bit? Like, dude, load management? Michael flew commercial. You fly private. I mean, Michael broke his foot ear, too. That's another obstacle he dealt with. So, you know, we're all going to beat up on the late Jerry Krause, who, you know, did make some good moves.

I mean, the Cartwright move was a good move. Medical bill. Nobody wanted him. He rolled a dice. He worked. Traded for Scotty Pippen. I mean, Kraus made some good moves. You know, he should. He's a GM. That's his job. Michael made a lot of shots and Scottie made a lot of shots. Jerry Crouch should make some good moves. But I do think when I watch it, one of my takeaways was the modern player doesn't really face as an NBA player. I'm not talking about childhood. Their NBA lives are much more charmed.

I mean, I always think about sports talk radio guys. I'm so lucky. The guys that did this in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, they didn't have like the Internet, they didn't have Google, that didn't have the search engines. A lot of them, you know, cable TV wasn't nearly what it is in the 80s, in early 90s. I mean, I come in, I got a team of guys, I can look up anything, I can Google stuff. I got a million different podcasts I can binge on and get information from.

It is so much easier to do what I do today than with the first guys that did this in the 80s in New York and Philadelphia. I mean, they must have had to watch every inning of every baseball game to have shows. I mean, I get highlight packages. This is a breeze compared to 25 years ago. Hour 2, Al Michaels next, The Herd, in L.A. One more Herd? The Herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week,

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We're both eating during the breaks. We usually have a food service to help us out. Joy and I are scrambling to get food down. Joy, how are you? I'm good. I'm good. I was just thinking when we eventually get back in studio, I might have to keep this sweatpants policy going.

You know how I feel about sweatpants. You love an all-day, everyday deal. All day, every day. You know, it's interesting. Detroit has the number three pick in the draft. and two as injury could actually benefit them because with two his injury, maybe both the Chargers in Miami have made a decision.

We're going to go with Justin Herbert. And that means Detroit's got the number three pick, and both Miami and the Chargers may want the same guy. And what does that mean? Detroit. Now, Matt Patricia is the coach. Just think about that. That's important.

So the Chargers don't have a ton of picks, but they've got a bunch of good players they can give Detroit and maybe a pick or two. The dolphins have 23 picks in the next two years. So if you're Detroit and you're Bob Quinn, you probably like the Miami offer. We'll take six picks for the number three pick. If you're Matt Patricia, the coach of Detroit, you want players because you're 9, 22, and one. And you're not getting a second head coaching job because it's been man overboard since you took it. So in Detroit, you've got that valuable third pick, two and three.

injury probably means Miami and the Chargers both favor Herbert, and they both need a quarterback to play within one year. So does Detroit have power? It would seem to me if I'm the GM of Detroit, I would do business with Miami. I could get four or five picks. If I was Matt Patricia, I'd want players. Give me your number three corner and your number two rusher. I'll take that. So interesting to see the power has rarely in the NFL but in the hands of Detroit. Maybe they have it now. Al Michaels is joined, it'll be his 15th season as the voice

of the NFL on NBC. He's the only commentator to call a World Series, a Super Bowl, an NBA finals, and host the Stanley Cup final for a television network. And I'm thinking to myself, I've been saying this, Al, that LeBron wants a season back, because, you know, he's

he doesn't have a ton left, and I'm looking at Al Michaels and I'm thinking, you probably won't be doing this in 20 years. You are, you're Jones and for football, am I right? Oh, for sure. I mean, everybody who loves sports, Colin, everybody who loves the NFL, wants it to come back. But there's no way you can predict what's going to go on.

Nobody really knows anything. You know, you hear 48 different timelines. They can start on time. They'll start in late November. They'll do this. They'll do that. They'll have a truncated schedule. They'll play the Super Bowl in March.

They won't play until 2021. So I'm just sitting here watching the world go around, Colin. I don't have any more of an idea, a better idea than anybody else says. All I know is that it's the first time in history, victims and suspects. We're victims because none of us signed up for this. I'm thinking this just came and here we are. And we're suspects, as you know, when you walk down the street and you don't have a mask on, even if you do, that people are avoiding you like you've come in with an AK-47.

Right. So it's a crazy time. Never seen anything like it. Never thought we would see anything like it. But let's see how it all shakes out because I don't have any idea. Yeah, either do I. Some of these models that are predicting, you know, fatalities, they change daily. I tell friends this.

The only thing I know is social spacing seems to work, I think. Sweden didn't do it and they're fine. So I don't know. Now, how do you pass your time? What does Al Michaels do on a Tuesday with no games? You know, Colin, I've been trying to avoid myself. Now, what I mean by that is the other night, I am watching the MLB network, and all of a sudden the first game for the 1995 World Series, Atlanta Cleveland, pops up,

and I'm doing the game with Tim McCarver and Jim Palmer. Now, over on NBCSN at that particular point is a Sunday night's football game between Green Bay and Kansas City. A friend of mine calls and says, hey, you and Doc, Rivers are announcing Lakers San Antonio, the game where Derek Fisher hits the shot with four tenths of a second. That's on NBA TV. And my grandson says, hey, Pop Pop, you're on miracle on whatever it was on. So I'm thinking to myself, here I am. I'm just trying to stay underground. You know, the great thing is in the off season, I kind of fade away, and then when

you come back, people say, oh, it's good to have you back. Now it's like, get out of here. I can't get rid of you. And that's the way I feel right now. Let's go back about a month and a half. I was shocked. I wasn't shocked Tom left. I was surprised. But Tampa, a place I lived, caught me off guard. They've been a little dysfunctional forever. And I think I didn't see Tom going from highly functional to a little bit dysfunctional or a lot dysfunctional.

What did you make of the – I mean, you know, Tom. What did you make of the Tampa move? Well, it's gotten a lot of publicity because I said recently that when Tom came into our meeting, we did New England at Baltimore, Colin. on first, I think, Sunday in November. They were 8-0, and that defense was allowing, you know, less than 10 points a game. The offense wasn't playing particularly well, but Brady was an undefeated quarterback, and one of the things he said in the meeting, you know, kind of half seriously,

you know, I'm the most unhappy 8-0 quarterback in football, and that got a lot of play. I mean, he was, he said that a little bit tongue-in-cheek, but then I said to him in this meeting, and, you know, we've had 100 meetings with him, and I know Tom very, very well, I said, I'm going to lay odds of 43,000 to one. You will never, ever wear another uniform beside New England. And, you know, I figured I'd get some sort of response. He just laughed. He kind of laughed and, you know, shook his head a little bit.

And he wasn't going to give me the answer. I don't think he knew the answer. But one of our research people, Andy Freeland, plunk $2 down on the table, I took it. And I am now on the hook, Colin, for $86,000, thanks to Tom Brady. But you know what an installment plan paying $3 a year will look like, and that's what Andy's going to get. I may give him five bucks the first time we go in there, but that's about it. You know, the Michael Jordan Last Dance documentary,

you cover the NBA for years for, you know, NBA finals. Right. Do you give me your memories of Michael Jordan, perhaps your first memory? Well, I didn't do any of his games because for the time I got in there, Michael had retired, even from the Wizards at that point. But my only experience with Michael, or my first anyway, I was in Hawaii. We were on Maui in 1998, and Michael had just retired, again, from the Bulls. He'd already played minor league baseball in the mid-90s, and I run into him on the beach, and they didn't know him, but we know, we struck up a conversation. He said,

you play golf. I said, sure. He said, well, you know, tomorrow we got a game. Once you meet me up at Wiley at 1 o'clock, great. So I go over to Wile. and Michael is there, and he's got the head pro, and he introduces me to the fourth guy, and he says, do you know Joe Morgan? And we both laughed because when I did the Reds in the early 70s, of course I knew Joe Morgan. He played for the big red machine at that point, so we're laughing. We had a great time. And then Michael was playing great golf.

He probably has six or seven birdies. He had one shot out of a fairway bunker with a five-iron, 200 yards, that almost went in, missed by an engine. He was playing great and having a blast. So we go into the restaurant bar at Wailea afterwards. It's about 5 o'clock, and we're sitting maybe 50 feet from a television set, which is probably 27 inches that sits on top of the bar. And this is at a time when Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire are chasing Roger Maris' record. Everybody's consumed in the sports world.

Can they get there? So they each had like 50-something at that point. And ESPN is on. There's no sound. We look up, and there's a panel. The way they used to put the panel up, you know, you had a ton of statistical information. It can barely see it, and Joe and I get up from the table to get closer to the television to see if we can see if Social hit a home run. And Michael sits there and doesn't even squint, and he's reading every line.

So Morgan and I look at each other like, can he really do this? And then we walked out into the parking lot, Joe and I, we said, can you believe this guy's eyesight? I mean, they talk about Ted Williams and what he could see, but Michael Jordan from 50 feet away on a 27-inch screen, could read every number, including those in parentheses. And I said to Joe, I said, Joe, can you imagine what that rim must have looked like from 18 feet out? He saw that in 4 or 5D, not 3D. Yeah, you've got amazing stories.

We were talking this morning as a staff that Michael's got the greatest sports brand of all time. Last year, he made more money $130 million. and shoes than LeBron, Steph, KD, the late Kobe, Bryant, James Hardin, and Kyrie Irving combined. It made $129,000, sold $129 million shoes. Babe Ruth,

was a brand before brands existed. Go back to all the guys you have covered. You know, Muhammad Ali jumps, you even did boxing, by the way, Al-Michaels joining us. I always said, Tiger felt massive to me. Ali, who is

the second biggest brand to Jordan that you think the sports world as pride. Babe Ruth almost feels like it that it's ever had. Well, you know, you have to relate it, though, to the time, Colin. And I mean, Babe Ruth at one point was making so much more than anybody else. So in other words, he was his own brand in those years. But I mean, what was $100,000 then is you tell me what it is right now, you know, several million. Right. So you can't compare the actual numbers with what took place 50, 60, 100 years ago. So, I mean, Ruth had to be a brand at that point. I mean, you know, he was big enough that, you know, they named a candy bar after a down the line.

And everybody knew who he was. I think everybody now knows who he was. And the name is, I go by, I go by generations. You know, if you look at Wayne Gretzky in Canada, could anybody have ever been any bigger in Canada than Wayne was? And Michael, and, I mean, Kobe was a tremendous brand as well. You know, he played, I guess you look at Michael one, Kobe, too, in terms of brand recognition and longevity and all the rest. But they were very, very close.

Tigers are one-off in golf, though, too. Even in the years of Nicholas and, you know, look, Palmer, go back to Palmer. Palmer may have been the first really gigantic brand in the 70s. They loved them. People emulated them. Just the walk that he had. smoking a cigarette, the whole thing. And Palmer was as big as it got in the sports world at that particular point.

And Jack came along. You know, Palmer had a little bit more of an outgoing personality than Jack did, and Gary Player was there as well. But, you know, Gary didn't play in that many tournaments. It was from South Africa. And so he – but they were the big three. But Palmer was the biggest. And then when you get to Tyke-Col, you know, there's nobody.

Who's second in golf? Tell me who second in golf to Tiger? Well, Tiger is the walking sopranos. He made me change my late Sunday viewing habits. He made, he know what he did, Al? This is what Ali did. When you can be great, Ollie was, have a personality, and be glamorous. Ollie was glamorous.

Tiger changed my viewing habits. No golfer. I love Jack. Nobody in golf has ever changed my viewing habits. I would be hanging out in a Sunday afternoon and be like, oh, God, I get to get it to a television set. Tiger leads by six shots. And you're a big golf guy. See, you haven't golfed in too much.

This must be driving you crazy. Nuts. Yeah, because you golf every day. Especially, you know, you go to last year and the Masters and everybody's talking. The whole country is consumed with it the next day, what he was able to do. And, you know, he had so many of those things around him that made him what he was. I mean, he was not necessarily a guy that was a very cuddly, let's say. early in his career.

I mean, he could be very standoffish. He could be off-putting in a way. But he's gotten, clearly, he's gotten little in his golf dotage. I mean, he did that thing with Jim Nance the other day, which was really great. But back to boxing, Ali, you know what's funny? One of the great things this weekend, I just happened to come upon ESPN had a whole bunch of great fights back-to-back-to-back. I think it was Sunday. One of them I did.

I did the Hagler-Herns fight. Back in 1985, this baby pops up, which was great. That was eight minutes. It was fantastic. But they had the trilogy of Ali Frazier, I think that was. And even my wife is sitting there looking at him and going, wow, you know, he's so much more than a boxer. He's a showman, the way he's mugging with Frazier, the whole thing, looking at the crowd. He had everything going for him.

I mean, everything. And, of course, you know, then he'd get together with CoSell, and that made for a great show, a terrific show. He understood it. Ali was something unbelievably special. And you know, the other thing I found, oh, my God, it just dawned to me right now. So Jerry Perensio, who was a very young man at the time,

was the promoter that fight in New York in 1971, in Madison Square Garden. So he had Don Dunphy, who was the number one boxing announcer at that time, doing the blow-by-blow, he brought in Archie Moore as one of the analysts, and the other analyst was Bert Lancaster. And Bert Lancaster was tremendous, because they had all of the pre-game stuff and pre-fight and post-fight stuff. Bert Lancaster was tremendous.

He was better than Cochelle, Colin, I'm telling you. You know, it's interesting. As a sportscaster, if you ask me, I get one ticket, And I can do Olympic event, I can do Super Bowl, March Madness, NBA Final World Series. I would say, no, give me the best fight. It's the most, is my first job out of college, Al, was being a broadcaster for a AAA baseball team in Vegas and a sportscaster for the NBC. To this day, it's the only thing my wife cares about in sports, she'll go to a boxing match. I would always pick a great boxing match over any other sport.

Now, you broadcast all of them. If I told you one final broadcast, it's the best fight in a decade, it's the best NFL game in a decade, or the best game seven in a decade. You've got one broadcast left. What would you choose? Well, that's a good question. I've been lucky enough to do multiple World Series and Super Bowls that have been phenomenal. You know, you make a good point.

There are very few things like a fight. Those other games last three hours or longer. A fight can last three minutes. Or it can last 36 minutes if they go all 12 rounds. I look back at Hagler-Herns. That was eight minutes. It was breathtaking. Yes.

I mean, I did the fight with Al Bernstein. I'm sitting there, and at one point, I swear, Colin. Hearns hit Hagler. It's right above him. I'm right there underneath him. And he hits Hagler so hard that it reminded me of like a cartoon, where somebody gets hit and their face implodes, their face becomes concave. Yeah.

And I thought, just for, you know, a millionth of a second, he killed him. I thought that Hagler got killed. And instead, the next thing, you know, Hagler's jumping on Hernes and throwing combinations at him. So it was one of those fights where that first round was insane. Yeah. Completely. And you knew it couldn't go very far, and it didn't. And it only went eight minutes in Sports Illustrated its cover.

The headline on the cover the next week was eight minutes of fury. But you're right. And the great thing about that fight was it was so highly anticipated. And you know very often we get – Yes. It doesn't live up to the hype. And we go, oh, you know, well, not as good as it was okay. This was a multiple of the hype, and the hype was gigantic.

This was the one by people wanted to see in the mid-80s, Hagler-Herns. And they got it, and this thing ended in a hurry. But, boy, if you look at that, you go, what a fight. I think it's Ring Magazine ranked that either the greatest fight of the 20th century or the greatest round of the 20th century or maybe even bold. But nothing could top that. So going back to what you said, I mean, yeah, you know, the excitement that precedes a fight like that, a big fight, a big heavyweight championship fight or a Haglerhern type of fight in a lower class,

there's nothing like that. It's very special. Yeah, no, I tell people this. I've told you this before. If you're 20 years old, there's two or three things in sports that you never got. One of them is Al Michaels doing baseball. I believe you're the best at the network level has ever done it. And that's in a class of a lot of great guys.

And the second thing is, 30 years ago, boxing Madison Square Garden or Vegas, Al, I was a sportscaster. I'm a kid. My first job's in Vegas. covering Sugar Ray Leonard fights. There's nothing like it. I saw a young Tyson. There's nothing that's ever duplicated that. God, I miss that.

Well, well, you know what, to be honest with you, Al, boxing's making a little bit of a renaissance. It's making a little bit of a comeback now. It is. But, you know, you need a look, you had Foreman, you had Frazier, you had Norton, you had a lot of guys you could mix and match with. So you could always be looking forward to something.

And these were household names. In the 80s, you know, in the Walter and middleweight classes, you had, I mean, you had the great for some. You had Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler, and they would go back and forth with each other and have the remashes. And it was something to look forward to. Now, yeah, I mean, the fight in Vegas in February, okay. It got some play, but then people forget about it the next day. You know, I don't think it could ever be what it is, but it can still be better than it's been over the last 20 years. Finally, NFL draft starts Thursday.

It'll break records. Everybody knows that. You know, a lot of Peter King is a guy that, you know, he's never been as big into the draft as other people and ranking it. You know, I love college football, so I love the convergence of NFL in college. Your thoughts on the draft is too draftable and how much will you watch? I'll watch a lot of it, obviously, because it's part of, you know, what I have to do, and I want to be up to speed when we get to it. You know, the interesting thing, Colin, is I was in Vegas at the end of February, and a couple of the executives at the Wynn Hotel told me, this is get a weekend in Vegas, they might have 300 to 350,000 people. On a huge weekend, 400,000 people for the draft.

They're going to have 600,000 people for the draft in Las Vegas this coming weekend, of course. Of course, Vegas is now dark. Well, it'll be interesting in so many ways to watch. I mean, if they can pull this off without a glitch, it would be, to me, tantamount to getting Armstrong and Aldrin to the moon in 1969 without a problem. I mean, I don't know how they're going to do this. But, you know, part of it is, as Gary Shantling once said, and he was so right,

the magic is in the mistakes. So there'll be some mistakes. There'll be some faux pause or whatever. But people will be talking about that. But I'm looking forward to this. Toa is the most interesting case here, obviously, because, you know, does somebody take a chance on them? You know, you can't put your hands on them to examine them.

To me, and you know this too, Colin. The pre-draft stuff, it's just a bunch of smoke screens out there. You know that? It's just shoot up the fog machine. And, you know, I don't believe anything that I hear or read. And that's what makes it even more fun to watch on Thursday. Yeah, Mel Kuiper, he said this one time. having a beer with Mel Kuyper. I don't even know if he drinks, I was. I was in New York

and I said, how did the first day of the draft go? He goes, you know, he goes, if you can handle being lied to, it's great. You know, this is, you know, he goes, I know at some point people are feeding me information, but I do my homework. I do, you know, I do the best job. And Mel's great at it, but he just said, you know, this is, there's a lot of deception. Look at the left hand as the right hand, the magician makes the coin disappear. So, you just deal with it. You know, Colin, think of how far we've come. When I was a kid, and they had the NFL draft. The scouts were getting their information from Street and Smith's college football yearbook.

Look where we've come. Now it's crazy. It is. Totally. Good stuff. Yeah, Steelers built a dynasty. There was no combine. There were no pro days.

You just, you know, they drafted Terry Bradshaw. None of his games in college were even on TV and there was no pro day. Right. Yep. We'll all get through this. Al, consider your friend that I'm. I love having you on. Thank you so much. See you soon. Take care, Colin.

All right, Al Michaels, NBC Football Night in America. Boy, we went golf. We went, I feel bad for our FS1 archivists. We don't have a lot of boxing footage, probably, as Al and I spent 10 minutes talking boxing. But you know what? I love boxing. Love it. There is, and Al agreed, nothing, all the sporting events in the world, you give me a big fight in Vegas.

There's nothing like it. If I could take any of you, even my wife likes going to a fight. I take you to a big fight. It's better than every other sport. It is. I'm so glad boxing's having a little bit of a renaissance here. I really am. You got three different networks.

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Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Nick Sabin was the head coach of my Dolphins when they passed on Drew Breeze because of injury concerns. And now Sabin is warning other teams not to make the same mistake with Tua. He said, we failed Drew Breeze on the physical. Yeah. That's why he's not Miami's quarterback. I don't think any of the questions with Tua have to do with his ability to throw the ball and be effective.

Disguise the limits. This comparison has been brought up many times when talking about the Tua injury because, obviously, we know what Drew Brees' career has become, and the Dolphins passed on Breeze for Dante Culpepper in 2006. He started four games, and he was coming off a knee injury, and he had dealt with shoulder and knee injuries. ended the season on IR they released them after one season and of course then since 2006 the dolphins have had eight head coaches and 14 quarterbacks

that's been that's been the consequence of that decision now obviously you never really know how these things are going to turn out and you're taking a risk either way when you're dealing with injuries and you know this is this is a prime example of it going very very badly I don't necessarily know that I would hold

other teams to to the standard that I hold the dolphins if they passed on Tua. Like I would fully understand if someone did not feel comfortable taking Tua, even if Tua goes on to have a Drew Brees or, you know, better type of career. I think it's fair to have some apprehensions about Tua. But I think specifically speaking of the dolphins, since the dolphins have been linked to Tua for since last year with the Tanc of Tua situation. And now we're in the fifth position.

This is going to continue to come up. But again, if the dolphins take Herbert over Tua, I'm not really necessarily holding it against them either. It's just the injury is the injury. We know what it is. To me, it's just not that it's one injury. And again, it's the situation of why is he getting injured? It's not that he's fragile.

It's that the injuries that are being caused because he's holding onto the ball too long. You know, I want to give my four opinions. Is this being taped Goulet on all the quarter? We're live. All the quarterbacks. Burrow is very good, but not. good enough to overcome the Bengals dysfunction. I would draft Tua despite the injury.

Justin Herbert's a little undervalued and Jordan Love will eventually be a really interesting and capable prospect. Those are my four I'm sticking with and I'll go back to Tua. I would still draft him. I would absolutely draft him despite the very clear medical risks. I would as well. I think the question that's going to come up in this draft is

are you going to trade up for him and give up picks to take him? Are you willing to stay and draft him where you are in the draft? And that's what is going to be consequential. So Drew Locke took advantage of his opportunity to play at the end of last season and won four of his five starts. And Broncos GM John Elway says the starting job is Locke's to lose this year, but he still has a lot to prove. By no means as Drew made it.

We believe he's got the potential to do it. And I think, you know, we think he's just going to continue to get better and better. But he's still in the learning process and know that he's going to have to get better. But we really liked what we saw. We liked what we saw last year when he was on, on IR and how we tried to prepare himself and get ready to play when he had a chance to play. And then came in and played very well, won four out of the last five games. And so we, you know, feel that, you know, he's that guy. You know, the Broncos have obviously been searching for their guy since Peyton Manning.

But I really liked what I saw from Drew Locke last year. I think he has a lot of confidence. Obviously, he won four of his five starts. I think the Broncos are a very underrated team. They have the 15th pick in the draft. So they're in an interesting position as well. Jeff Driscoll is the backup. I mean, I don't foresee an issue with them,

especially where they're drafting this year, giving Drew Locke another year to see what he is. Yeah, I think, I think, I think Drew Locke looks pretty, interesting to me. He had a meltdown game last year, Joy. Folks, Baker's had meltdown games. Darnold's had meltdown. I mean, Deshawn's had meltdown games. Drew Lock, I'm just telling you what I see. I think there's something there. He was a B minus prospect, a little wild.

You know, did we undervalue him? That he's a B plus prospect. But I think there's something there with him. They got to get their left tackle situation in Denver fixed. Other than that, the O line's okay. So I think there's something there with him. Yeah, I agree. I would like to see them give him another year and see what he becomes. Finally, reports service last month that Kyrie Irving is helping or helped push Kenny Atkinson out of Brooklyn and wanted to bring in his former cabs coach, Ty Lou instead.

And according to the New York Daily News, Lou is also interested in the Nets coaching job and will be open to reuniting with Kyrie. He's currently an assistant coach with the Clippers. and he reportedly turned down and offered a coach the Lakers because he wanted a longer deal. Lou wanted five years and the Lakers offered three. Obviously, we know what happened with that situation. But I actually really love this move for the Nets and for Tailu. I think Tailu should be a head coach in the league again.

And this is kind of a great situation. He has experience with Kyrie. We know what happened in Boston with Kyrie was not a great situation with the front office and the coach and seemed like that wasn't a great fit. Tailu knows how to coach Kairi. He's done it before. I like this move. And he's not only as he coached Karee before,

he's dealt with huge personalities and coached LeBron. So to balance KD, Karee and Brooklyn, I love this move. By the way, Tyloo called me one time. He was mad at me. And I always tell, I just got a call from an NFL guy. I'll tell you in the break. It's a raider. Tailu called me one time because he was mad at something I said.

It was great. We had like a 15-minute call. and I've always said, I would rather confront you and you yell and scream at me. In fact, when I bring people, remember I brought Richie Incognito one time on the chair? And I'm like, yeah. I'm like, I have no problem. Just come on, let's go. Let's argue back and forth.

Yell at me. I have Kevin Durant can come on the next segment and rip me. Let's go. Let's battle it out and have our opinions. But Tailu called me one time. And I love this about him. He's like, you're wrong on this and here's why. And we just went back and forth.

And it was great. And I was like, that's a guy that can handle big personalities. Like Mike Dan Tony at Houston can't do that. He's not confrontational. Tailu is totally confrontational. And he has, the great thing about that, Joy, is when you have a problem, it gets solved. Communication, yes.

It gets solved instead of you and your wife, or you and your buddies, or you and your boss not talking about it. It gets solved in a minute, and Tailu's that kind of guy. So I agree. I think he fits very well to a Kevin Durant, Kyrie star-studded team. I think he works there. Yep. Good stuff.

Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. Hold on. My phone is going nuts. Hold on. What did you say?

I'm so glad we're still doing this. We're keeping things normal. Every once in a while, Colin will get a text or a call from a random source or person, and he'll pick up his phone in the middle of the show and begin reading it and then deciding if it's something he can share with us or not. I can't share that. I'll tell you later.

Coming up next, I think it's a really hard decision, but one, a team in the top 12 of the draft has to make. It has nothing to do with Tua. It has nothing to do with Joe Burrow. Russell Wilson next hour as well. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Last night, a blown call changed the game. This morning, the internet lost its mind.

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I want to say thank you to Lowe's, and those are supporting us. Listen, we're all in this thing, man, and we're going to get through it, and it's going to be waves, and it's different, and there's new normals, but, you know, you just deal with it. So it's interesting.

I always feel like if you did well enough in your life, that you could, you have a home payment, and you're also putting money away for your kids' or you're paying for it and you have enough money to put away for a nice, comfortable retirement. And if you still had something left over after that, that you know, you had a nice house and you went on a couple vacations, they were decent, and you're putting away for retirement, and you're also paying for a school or two, and you still had something left over. Then you sort of owe it to yourself to roll the dice on a speculative project that could hit big.

Right? Like, if you still got money left, but now, if you can't put any money away, for retirement and you don't have the money for your kids, colleges, and you can't afford vacations, then you shouldn't be putting any money on a big wild swing to get rich. But if you have that, you kind of owe yourself a roll of the dice. I said this years ago, when I used to work at the other place, they came out with ESB and the phone. And my takeaway was, well, they owed it to themselves. They lost $50 million.

Who cares? They make $8.5 billion a year at the time. if you make $8.5 billion, you owe yourself a roll of the dice because no other sports company at that time had the money that they could lose $50 million. But nobody quite knew. Can the leading sports company have a phone business, which is the iPhones exploding across America? And I don't even know if the iPhone was around. The cell phones were around. It was about 10 years ago.

And a lot of the critics were like, oh, ESPNWIF. No, you don't get it. like most of the critics. You don't get it. If you're making $8.5 billion as a company, you've got to roll the dice on stuff like that. It's like the NBA makes enough money. They've got to try the WNBA.

If it increases revenues, 2% a year, you roll the dice because you're making $12 billion a year. And so I look at the Miami Dolphins. The Miami Dolphins have 14 picks this year and nine next year. And they don't just have picks. because they made a deal with Houston. They have five, they have six of the top 70 picks this year. Six.

And next year, they have 23 over the next two years, 14 this year and nine. 23. They have six of the top 70 this year. And then next year, in the next two years, they also have five first round picks and four second rounders. nine in the first two rounds next two years. If two is there, you've got to go for it.

If you have 23 picks and nine great picks, you're not going to have, you've got to roll the dice on Tua. You have to. You owe it to yourself. You've got that much wiggle room to miss on a draft pick. So it's, that's just,

that is a boat load of picks. And you know you're not going to hit on all of them. But when you got everything else covered, I mean, let's face it. They got a little momentum. They won five of the last nine games last year. Miami did. And I'm not saying if they move up to draft Herbert over Tua, I support that too.

But if the Chargers move up ahead of you and they get Herbert, what I'm saying is Miami with 23 picks, you got to go roll the dice on Tua. Don't put it off. And I've said this. Let's say Tua. You get three years out of them.

he's hurt a bunch. And he averages 12 to 13 starts for three years. But in those 13 starts, he wins nine games. Can your backup win one every year? That's 10 wins a year. And it's not ideal, but if he's kind of mostly healthy and is winning you nine a year, over the three years, you can draft another quarterback. I mean, hell, you may draft, because this year, remember, he didn't have to play this year. He doesn't because you have Ryan Fitzpatrick, and because of the crisis, my guess on the football season, this is just my guess,

we're not going to play 16 games in the NFL. We're going to play 14 and we're going to move it back to October 1st. If you actually said today, what do I think is going to happen? I think the NFL pushes it back to October 1st and plays 14 games. That's my guess. I think some of these sports just aren't going to come back. Some are many of the individual sports, like a NASCAR, a horse racing, or two-on-two, or, you know,

smaller sports. golf, tennis can come back. Team sports, I think some could be in trouble. NFL, I think, happens. College football, I think, happens probably in the spring. Reduce schedule, 7-10 games, 7-9 games, not 12 games, maybe 8 games in the spring. I think they're going to have waves of this stuff. But in terms of Miami, I just think when you've got that many picks over the next couple of years,

they've already gone a long way in rebuilding their defense. And next year is a great defensive draft. And Brian Flores is a defensive guy. So if they've already, you know, they went out and they got an elite corner in Byron Jones and Van Newey from New England, they spent some money on defense. Next year's draft where they've got nine picks and they could get more is a great defensive draft. You could make an argument this year. You could solve almost all of your offensive ills this year. You really could.

If you got Tua and it works and then you go out and get this is a great receiver draft, you draft three of them, you go get a tackle and an interior offensive lineman. another running back. If you have 13 picks, if you hit on nine of them, nine to ten of them, because they're really good picks, you can whiff on three and you could solve all your offensive issues. You've clearly in the, you've clearly this offseason solve some of your defensive liabilities. And Brian Flores is a great defensive coach. So he's going to get more out of defensive players than your average NFL coach. But I think you have to roll the dice then. Coming up, Russell Wilson next hour. And, you know, I was thinking about this.

Who are the 10 best players in the NFL? I'm not saying quarterbacks. Ten best football players. One of them, I think I trade him. I think I would. I'll explain it. All coming up. Hour three, live in L.A.

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This is The Herd. Wherever you may be in, however, you may be listening. Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. What up, Joy Taylor? What up? What is up? So, last night, I ate a lot. I did a lot of mock draft viewing last night.

So, I mean, I'm So exciting, isn't it? Oh, I can't. Thursday is going to be, it's going to be one of the best NFL days of my life. I will sit there all day long. Now, I will take, I will have a cocktail during the draft. I'll knock down a couple of cocktails. You don't need to focus like J-Doc?

Nope, no, just me, the cat, and a, you know, vodka club soda with a lime. Well, at that point, you've done all the work. That's right. Like, documentary I had to be totally committed and focused in. You know, here's a really interesting one to me. So, you know, I've said this before about sports. Not that I could ever be a GM, but it's something I would love to do. If I wouldn't have done this, I think people say, what would you do if you didn't do this?

And I'd say, it would be great to write a movie or be a GM of an NFL team, you know, like things that would be interest me. And I know Joe Douglas, he's the GM of the Jets, met him about two years ago on Manhattan Beach. a really, really good guy, very well respected by the people that I know in this business. And he inherited a mess with the Jets. The previous GM, I don't think was very capable. But Joe Douglas has made it clear that he loves Jamal Adams, the safety. But he's also got to take calls. In the NFL, it's not just about, you know, what you're paying.

It's who you're paying. You've got to pay a quarterback. I would pay for an elite corner or an edge rusher. Aaron Donald's worth of money, right? The interior alignment for the Rams. And so if you look at the Jets, if they pay Jamal Adams what he wants, their three biggest salaries are going to be safety, running back, and Mike linebacker, middle linebacker.

That's not how you build dynasties. And the four, and I think Jamal Adams is great. In fact, here's who I believe the 10 best football players in the NFL are. Now, I'm not saying positionally, I believe the 10 best football players, people that can do multiple things at an A to an A plus level. I think Russell Wilson's the best football player in the NFL. I think he leads. I think he's good pre-snap. I think he's a playmaker.

I think he's a great thrower. I think he makes teammates better. I think he's accurate. I think he's the best football player in the world. I think Christian McCaffrey could be a wide receiver in this league. He runs the best routes. He's arguably the best running back. He's an unbelievably skilled football player.

Aaron Donald could get you sacks, which it's really hard for an interior lineman to get sacks. He is doubled on every snap and gets sacks and stops the run. Patrick Mahomes, again, I'm getting the best arm in the, league. I'm getting arm angles. I'm getting completion rate. He had multiple big runs in his playoff win. And again, I think he elevates people around him. I'd say George Kittle for the San Francisco 49ers. He's an excellent blocker. He's an excellent pass catcher. He's excellent in the red zone. And frankly, yards after the catch, he's a nightmare once he gets the football and he's mowing down on corners and safeties. I would put Jamal Adams five or six.

He's the, you know, his position's the only one when the ball is snapped and you're watching the game on TV, that position's out of the frame. He can, he blows guys up. He can defend the run. He's instinctive. He is a playmaker. I think Mike Evans, a wide receiver at Tampa, he's unbelievable in the red zone. He's great between the 20s. He's one of the top three blocking wide receivers in the NFL.

He's a playmaker. He's good after the catch. I'd say Lamar Jackson, for obvious reasons. I think Ezekiel Elliott. Now, he's got some baggage, but I'd still put him in. He can run, he can block, and he can catch. And I think, you know, you don't want to hear about Tom Brady. Now, I think Derwin James, if he played last year, I'd put him in.

But I'll put him in Tom Brady. Do you think he wins games with leadership, with accuracy, pre-snap, get you out of problems, a culture builder? I still think he wins games for you on multiple levels. So I put Brady in there. But I think we have to acknowledge he's 43. Now, again, I think Derwin James. is one of the 10 best football players in the NFL.

He just didn't play enough last year. So I don't have enough resume stuff. But I put Jamal Adams in there, and I still think I'd have to consider trading him. Listen, in this league, the Jets only have one position solved, quarterback. And some of you don't even think Donald's right. But they don't have a left tackle, wildly important.

They don't have a star receiver. They lost Robbie Anderson. they don't have an elite corner. I think they should draft two. Those are massive positions. Left tackle, cover corner, edge rusher. They don't have them. They don't have them.

And now they don't have. And I think wide receiver over the last four to five years because of rule changes, it's just more valuable. I mean, I always said wide receiver is kind of icing on the cake. It's the convertible sports car. It's fun. But as the weather gets cold, there's limitations. But I don't think anybody can deny.

They may not lead you to wins, but because of the rule changes that have been implemented by the NFL, the star wide receiver matters a lot now. I mean, they really do. They're just mismatches. You know, you can move wide receivers anywhere on the field. So, and the just just don't have any of those solved. So I think sometimes, as much as I look at Jamal Adams, as long as you have Sam Darnold on this tiny contract for the next couple of years, you can't be patient. They don't have the draft picks to solve everything in this draft. How many years?

And if you draft guys this year, remember this. You don't have OTAs. You don't have the fall camps as long, probably. So I'm not going to get as much out of my rookies this year. So if I'm the Jets and I want to solve stuff now, I think with Jamal Adams, you can get a draft pick and a starter. Can I give up? Because I already have Marcus May.

Can I get a corner? Can I get a, can I get a, can I get a, number two corner and a first round pick for Jamal Adams. So I can solve a corner issue. I get a number first, a second first round pick where I can solve my left tackle issue and a wide receiver issue. I've solved three issues with one player. And more crucial positions.

Left tackle, wide receiver, and corner. I couldn't turn that down if I was a GM. If I got a first round pick for him this year and somebody's number two or three corner, which would be good enough to be my number two corner, I would do it. And I love Jamal Adams. I think he's one of the ten best players in the NFL. but I could then solve my left tackle issue in the draft. I can solve my wide receiver issue in the first round of the draft.

And then I got to, you give me a corner and I can draft another corner in the second round. I have solved three huge issues by not paying Jamal Adams. I would have to make that move. And I love Jamal Adams. Love him. I think he's fantastic. The other thing is, I said this already, I got a lot of feedback on this from different people, and a couple of athletes on this.

What I said earlier about Michael Jordan. The Michael Jordan documentary, it obviously does not make Jerry Krause. It makes him look small, right? Not just physically. It makes him look petty and small. But I do think there's something about Jordan's documentary that it makes the current players.

It makes them look a little soft when you look at what Michael went through. We all want to be evolved. And we want to be the modern. man. But man, you start looking at Kauai Leonard load management and you start looking at, you know, the burner accounts on Twitter. And Michael is just alpha. He's confrontational. He doesn't back down from anywhere. And when you get the sensitive man in the same room with the alpha male, even the sensitive man's girlfriend thinks, he's kind of hot. I've got to be honest,

he's kind of a guy's guy. He's kind of a guy's guy. I like him. And I, when I looked at Michael, it's like, it's my kind of guy. I like that. I like the strength of him. And, you know, Michael, it's not that Michael wasn't smart, that it wasn't Michael couldn't be sensitive, a nice guy. But he was confrontational. I like confrontational. I like people willing, if people are respect,

I mean, if some meatball comes up and says something, I don't know who he is, I don't care. But for people that are really talented, you know, it's been my knock on Aaron Rogers. And Draymond Green yesterday was kind of banging on Kevin Durant. Like, he's not confrontational. I like that Michael's confrontational. And not just about people he can squish.

He was confrontational with coaches and teammates and executives and people in power. Anybody can be confrontational to a nobody. But are you confrontational to peers and colleagues and get right after it and solve real issues? I think last dance, you're getting to look at an alpha male and a man's man. And it does make me look at, you know, Adam Silver says, my players are miserable. Really? How?

Well, it's reading Twitter all day. They're just... Come on. You know, mean tweets from little birds and Michael's punching teammates. I got to be honest. I look at the obstacles Michael faced, and he faced a lot of them.

I'm not just talking lifetime. Kevin Durant had no day at the beach. I'm talking NBA life. I mean, year two, KD's got... Brooke. Year three, he's got hardened. You know, Michael had a lot of years of crap to deal with. GMs, coaches, Cokehead players, an awful organization.

I mean, in the last dance, the indoor soccer team in Chicago was more popular than the Bulls. I tweeted a photo last night. It was like two years before, like Jordan gets there, of the Chicago Bulls. They were such a dysfunctional mess. Go to my Twitter account. The team photo was apparently in a high school gym. There was no order. There was trainer next to player.

They weren't lined up. They had a mascot off to the right that was probably drunk and smoking camel filters. It was a disaster. They couldn't do the team photo right. That's what Michael inherited. There was no Westbrook year two and James Harden year three. And no sold out arena. He inherited the traveling Coke.

Cane Circus. And he confronted all of it. And I like it. I like guys like that. I like it. I really do. I appreciate it. Russell Wilson's right around the corner.

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Network available on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So great to have you in. A Super Bowl champ in his second season, the first quarterback in the history of the National Football League

in his first eight seasons to have a winning season eight out of eight years. And he's tied for the most regular season wins in the first eight seasons with Tom Brady. No quarterbacks ever won more than Brady and Russell Wilson. And he's tied for the most. I'm

in their first eight years. Six-time Pro Bowler, seven of eight years playoffs. And I honestly thought, I don't know if they could have beaten San Francisco, but I thought had they not fallen apart in the backfield last year physically, I thought they had either the best or the second best team in the NFC, along with San Francisco. And my friend Russell Wilson, Super Bowl champ, is joining me. By the way, that must be so hard for you because I really,

really liked that team last year? And then, Russell, the bottom line is that you can't control injuries, and you lost every running back in two weeks. I mean, what was that like to go through? Well, it was definitely tough, you know, first of all, kind of always great to be on the show, man, first of all. But, you know, obviously it was tough, you know, going through that last year just because we had a bunch of guys get injured. A lot of great players. I mean, Dissley was having a record-breaking year at the beginning of the year. He went down. Then we had a bunch of other guys go down too as well. And then obviously our running backs too as well. And also, you know, you think about our left tackle, Dwayne, he was out for several weeks. So, you know,

we had to battle. We kept battling. We kept battling. Honestly, we were, we were a half inch short of, you know, really, you know, overcoming the NFC West there at the end. And, you know, so it was a great matchup, but two great teams going after it. Yeah. How are you, I do worry a little bit, no OTAs. And I strongly doubt we'd have a four game preseason this year, but I don't know anything. But you are keeping in great shape because you've got the, you know, you have the kind of money that you can build your own gym and do your own stuff and I follow you every day. Are you a little worried about younger players? They may live in a, you know, they may live in an apartment. They don't have the means maybe to have their own gym. Or do you think we could

have a little bit of an issue on guys coming into camp and Russell, they're just not ready to play? Oh, for sure. I definitely, that's a huge, you know, problem. And I think it could be a problem if guys aren't professional enough. And I think the great thing with our team, which I can speak on on our team, is I know guys are really professional about their off-season programs and how they're thinking about it, how they're working and how they're working. And even before this whole corona thing happened, they were already working. And so that's the great thing. And, you know, we've been on a bunch of, you know, FaceTime calls and Zoom calls and WebEx calls and everything else just talking. ball already, just us players and stuff like that.

So we're excited. Guys are dialed in in that sense and trying to win a championship. And, you know, the reality for me is, you know, how I look at it is, you know, potentially in four months, the ball is going to be kicked off, and it's time to play football, and the expectations are going to be high, and my expectation is going to be higher. And I think the reality is that if you want to be great, you have to be consistent in your approach, in your habits, every day. You can't change.

You've got to get better. You've got to learn how to adjust in the midst of a storm. you got to remain neutral. And, you know, your mindset's got to be neutral. You can't be too high. Can't be too low. Yeah. And, you know, just the great thing right now in the midst of all the storm,

I always try to find the goodness in it all is, you know, get to be around your family. Yes. In that quality time, that's the blessing in it all. But also, at the same time, you have to be able to learn how to be really, really professional in the midst of it. Yeah, I was just saying I went on a three and a half hour drive with my daughter the other day. And we just talked about life and we talked about her college. And I literally got back and I,

And I told her, I said, I feel so lucky. This pandemic has given me this opportunity to go deeper into our relationship. And I think, you know, there's so many different, I mean, let's be honest about this. You could potentially play football with no fans. How would that sit with you? Well, you know, listen, I think, first of all, you know, the world's going through a lot right now, you know. And I think about, you know, my mom's, you know, she's a nurse. clinical leader in Seattle. She's been a ER nurse for a long time before that. And she's helping

give these, you know, she's helping, you know, basically build these test sites and stuff like that in Seattle. And she's been helping this one test site in particular and, you know, giving tests and everything else. And, you know, it's this real, man. This is really real. It's pretty scary. You know, people are losing their lives, everything else. And so, you know, football, you know, even though it's my mental priority, you know, and trying to get prepared, it's, you know, life is the number one priority. And I think for us players, obviously you see guys like Vaughn and different players get Corona. It's real.

You see guys in the NBA and just, you know, not necessarily family members, but, you know, you see different people that you know or whatever that they get it. You know, this is very, very real. You have to be very cautious. And I think for us to go back out there, I think it's got to be the right decision. I think it's got to make sense for us to go back out there because obviously fans aren't going out there. There's a reason, right? So, you know, I think that, you know, listen, I definitely want to play football, that's for sure.

I love the game. I love the process. But, you know, you also love your family. You love, you know, love the people that you get to lead and inspire. And so you want to make sure that you do everything you can to stay healthy. And I think that's the concern right now. You know, when I first met you, I think it was at the New Orleans Super Bowl. And you were.

It was. Yeah. Yeah. And I shook your hand and I talked to you. And I told my producer, Vince, at the time when you walked. away, I said, I'm not sure I've ever met a 23-year-old human that I'm more impressed with. And this may be private, but your parents, you know, they deserve a ton of credit too. When you look back at your childhood and did it feel special?

Because you had to generate, there had to have been some leadership wisdom in your family, not taking any credit away from you, but you were ready when you, I watched the Michael Jordan documentary. He had a very strong... My favorites ever, by the way. By the way. Very strong mother.

Very strong father. And I think it absolutely... Michael was very polished by that... He was ready to be a superstar in the NBA, Russell, and you know a lot of guys aren't. I would predict or guess you had strong people in your childhood. Oh, for sure. You know, my grandfather...

who was the president of Norfolk State for 22 years, you know, and it had to lead a lot of people, you know, and then I was around him and his, you know, voistered his voice, you know, he had talked like this, you tell you these stories, you sit down, you know, his laugh when you're six, seven, eight, nine years old, and listen to these stories that you tell, about amazing athletes and everything else. My dad, you went to Dartmouth, graduate from there.

I went to UVA law school, you know, president of his class and stuff. Wow. So, you know, for me, but my dad also played, you know, got a chance to try off for the San Diego Chargers, Dan Fouts and Kellan Winslow, Senior. You know, got to be with them. He was the last person cut on the team. Wow.

He had gotten professional experience, but I think more than anything, you know, what my parents taught me is they gave me an imagination. They really let me believe and write out my visions and talk to me and set goals and write out goals and have a plan. You know, I think a lot of times a lot of people, a lot of kids, especially this generation, we don't have a strategy. We don't have a plan, you know.

and we don't have this vision. And then we lose it. Because we don't have a plan, we don't understand the work ethic part behind the plan, right? Because if I don't know where I'm going, I don't know what it takes to get there. So we've got to know what it takes to get there. I think that love, that passion, that respect for the journey, that respect for the process. You've got to have that first and then enjoy the fruits of your labor later. And I think so many people see the flash and this and that, but they don't want to be steady-ed-ed-ed-eat-y in the process.

They don't want to have to deal with the journey, the blood, sweat, and tears of it all. And I think, you know, I love the studying part of the game. I love the early mornings and the late nights and all the stuff in between. And then come to Sunday, you get to play the greatest game in the world. And, you know, you've got millions and millions of people watching you, and you're one of 32 men in the world. Man, it's a gift. But you don't get the gift if you don't want to put the work in.

And so there's no substitute for hard work. There's no substitute for hard work. You've got to put the work in. You've got to love it. You've got to love the work more than even the winning. You know, because the winning, how you win a lot is winning the process. Yes. And that's what you've got to love.

That's what I'm obsessed with. I'm obsessed with the process. By the way, I'm obsessed with the mentality. When you're watching Last Dance and, I mean, I'm sitting there and, you know, it's funny. I want to be a sensitive guy and an evolved guy. But Michael's a man's man, Russ. I mean, he is confrontational, and he gets after teammates, and he's swearing at teammates. And it's interesting.

I don't know how it would play today. But you are in these leadership situations. That is not how you lead. You're much more optimistic. When you watch MJ and he's rough on teammates, what does that take you? What do you think about that? Well, I think that you can't displace not understand that. He has this unbelievable competitive edge, you know, this unmatchable competitive edge that, you know, I want to bring to the field every single time I play.

When teams see me in the fourth quarter, when I'm walking on the field, they already know. I want them to anticipate what's going to happen. Right. I want them to feel that before I even walk onto the field, right? Same thing in practice. It's got to be the same thing. That's the work ethic part. That's the competitive nature that you've got to bring to every single body, every other person, the other 10 guys in the huddle, the other 11 guys on the other side of the field, they've got to feel that presence.

But I think more than anything else, what Michael was able to do is it wasn't that he wasn't positive. He was just positively sure what it took to be great. And I think, I think, you know, some people, you know, some people communicate differently. You know, to me at the end of the day, though, you have to be consistent. Yeah. What makes a great player, a great player, a great leader, a great leader, or a great father, a great father or mother, is there consistent every day. And you know what you're going to get. And I think that's the thing that Michael brought it, that he's consistent in his approach.

His effort, yeah. Yeah, no, his effort. He was the most, you know, forget who's the best or whatever. He's probably the most relentless basketball player I've ever seen. Just both ends of the floor, just burning all the time. Russell Wilson's joining us. For the record, let's go back eight years. You had gone to NC State.

I've told you the story before. I saw your first start in college. And I text. I texted Kirk Herb Street from my couch. I've never done this since. I said, who's Russell Wilson? This kid is insane. I've never done that to any other.

I didn't want to bother him, right? And then you go to Wisconsin, very conservative offense, and your numbers are insane, and you don't go in the first round. And you don't go in the second round. And, you know, you're just a little shorter than the classic NFL quarterback. Third round starts.

What's going through your head before you're picked? Well, the crazy thing is I'm sitting in my, uncle's house in D.C., and we're sitting in the basement. He's got no cell phone service down there, first of all, so I'm struggling. And they got the ESPN cameras all over me. And, you know, he's got this old, you know, phone hooked up into the wall with the long cord and everything else. And he's a lawyer, so the phone keeps ringing. The phone keeps ringing. Hey, can I speak to Mr. Wilson? I'm thinking it's a team, you know, in the beginning of the second round, not a team. It's some client. Hey, could get another call, you know, 10 minutes later. Hey, can I speak to Mr. Wilson?

Yeah, this is him. I'm expecting it. You know, maybe the Seahawks or somebody. Sure enough, it's not. So the next thing I know is the third round. I'm sitting there. I'm like, okay, well, now the camera's on me, and John Gruden's talking about me and all this kind of stuff on the TV.

And, you know, and so anyways, finally, I finally for that split second, I get one little bar on my phone. And it's a 206 area cut. I'm like, oh, my God, it's Seattle. And I pick up the phone. And, you know, I was excited. You know, listen, I had been through a baseball drafts a couple times and everything else.

I think that ultimately what I knew was the hay was in the bar. I did everything I could in college, and now it was time to go set a new tone in the NFL. And I just wanted a chance. You know, in life, sometimes you just want a chance to do something great. And Coach Carroll, John Snyder, rest in peace in him. But, you know, I just wanted the chance. And they gave me the chance. And, you know, I was going to do everything I could from a competitive nature, you know,

from my mentality to come in and be ready to play. and I was ready from the get-go. I just wanted to give me the ball, let me go play, and at the end of the day, you know, you've got to show up. You know, every time you step on the field, every time those lights come on, it's prime time. It's time to show up, it's time to show out. And that's what I wanted to do.

And I had great players around me, man. It helped to have great players around you guys who were competitive too, and you matched that, and it worked together. And it was a lot of fun, you know, and it still is to this day. And it's been pretty cool journey, you know, for the eight years. and I feel like I'm just getting started. You know, that's the greatest feeling when you feel like you just getting started. You've got great players around you guys like D.K. Metcalfe and Tyler Lockett,

and we just signed Greg Olson. Got different players around you, so you get excited about that. And, you know, you just love the journey of it. So, you know, hopefully we can keep it going. By the way, you are partnering with a company and helping feed America. You had a gift recently. I believe it was over a million meals. Tell me more about it because it was.

incredibly impressive. And when I saw it, I said, we got to get Russell on the show. Well, yeah, you know, it's been pretty cool journey for Sierra and I during this time in the sense that just to give back part of it is to be able to serve. You know, I think God puts us on earth to serve and love and care and give back. And so, you know, for C&I, you know, obviously Seattle was hit hard, man. It was pretty heavy in Seattle. And so what we had to, what we decided to do that we really wanted to make a difference, you know, just by trying to see if we could, you know, you know, help with food and everything else. And obviously we partnered up with Feeding America.

We donated a million meals to the Seattle area. Wow. From there, Kenny D., who's, you know, CEO, Will's Up. When the father figured to me kind of, he picks me up. He picks up the phone and calls me and says, hey, I was inspired. Let's do something with Wheels Up. And so sure enough, we created this idea called Meals Up, and we wanted to get to 10 million meals. And sure enough, we, you know, we hit that within, you know, two to three days pretty quickly.

And some pretty cool people, you know, helped out too, Tom and different people and, you know, Alex and Jennifer and just different people like that. And so it was cool. And so that was a great thing. And then right now, you know, we have our WCAI, Wilson Celebrity Invitational, and so we've had to, you know, deal with that process and deal with that. So now we're trying to think of a creative way to do something really cool. So we're in the midst of that. And so, you know, we really want to make a difference with why not you foundation. just try to serve and give back and love.

And obviously, a lot of people are going through a lot of things. So people need food. People need resources. This is a tough time, you know. And I think one of the important things that we've been in the midst of is we have this company called Limless Minds where, you know, a partner of a Trevor Moad who's one of the best mental coaches in the games, worked with Alabama for years, Georgia, O.C. Thunder.

Works with L.A. Clippers right now. So, you know, and one of the things that my brother, Harry, and DJ, we partner up together to talk about mentality. And so we're in this process of, you know, communicating and trying to build this podcast out for Danger Talk and Limeless Minds to where we get to talk to, you know, the unemployed and people that need some influence and impact and just try to find creative ways to do, you know, special stuff.

And so be on the lookout for that. I may call on you, Colin. I may need you to show up on the show one day. Absolutely, no question. Wheels up, by the way. Kenny and those guys are Miles Rogers and those guys are such class. Sacks. Yeah, they're great.

Russell, congratulations. I believe you just announced you're expecting a baby boy. Yeah, we got a baby boy coming, so I'm fired up about that, and I'm a stepdad, which has been the greatest gifts that God has given me besides C and life is just, you know, being a stepdad and learning how to, you know, loving, loving somebody that's not necessarily biologically yours, but loving them like they are. And hopefully we, hopefully will we become like the manning, you know? You know, so that would be fun, you know.

But it'll be cool. You know, the funny thing is, is in all the baby pictures as we're trying to, you know, go to do the ultrasound. Sierra and I were just talking about this. I was just talking to Coach Carroll, you know, earlier today. But I was telling him, you know, all these pictures of the baby, he's got his hand up in the ultrasound picture. And he's got his hand up like he's holding a football right in front of his face. I think he's ready. He is ready.

Speaking of the draft, he'll be 20 years from now, he'll be a draft pick right there. It'll be a great to roll. Hey, Russell, great talking to you. It's always a pleasure, man. I appreciate the time and just keep inspiring people, man, and grateful for what you do. So thanks for having me on the show always, man. You appreciate it. Russell Wilson, folks, Super Bowl champ and first quarterback in the history of the league, first eight years, winning record each one.

I said this to the top of the hour. I think he's the best football player in the world. Best total package of a football player in the world. And I don't just say that. I know what you guys always think. Oh, it's Seattle! It's not Seattle. I don't think anybody wins more ways every Sunday than Russell Wilson.

I really believe that. And I think there's a lot of Christian McCaffrey's. I think Lamar Jackson's very good. I don't think Mahomes is there yet as a leader. I don't think he's there quite yet pre-snap. It is just, it's just that's the kind of guy you want. Totally committed to the process. Here's Joy Taylor with the news.

No, no, no, no. This is the herd line news. I apologize ahead of time. I think my upstairs neighbors are learning how to dance. Maybe they are making wine with their feet or something. So if you hear some stomping, that's what it is. We're making this all work. So according to Ian Rappaport, the Giants have spent a lot of time researching Justin Herber.

Head coach Joe Judge even had a video conference call with him. The Giants obviously took Daniel Jones six overall last. year so they don't need another quarterback in this drafts but the more likely explanation on Herbert is that the Giants are hoping to know as much about him so they can engage in meaningful negotiations if teams want to move up to the number four spot for him. That's yeah that's smart I think they like Daniel Jones but listen this is in the draft is an information weekend so the more information you can have the more leverage you have in trade talks and moving up and moving down

well also I do think that there's something to getting as much information on guys as possible that you just database for later. You know, I mean, you may not end up drafting him, but you might end up playing him down the road. Information is very important, so, you know, you have the opportunity to have these one-on-one deep conversations with these guys leading up to the draft.

You know, you should do as much research as you can. So Lamar Jackson announced that he will be the cover athlete for Madden 21. He is only the second Ravens player to ever be on the cover. Ray Lewis was on the cover in 2005. He was asked if he was concerned about the infamous Madden Curse, He said, I'm not worried.

Patrick Mahomes was on the front and he won an MVP. So I want that curse. I'd love to follow the path of MVP then Super Bowl. Mahomes was on the cover last year after the MVP season. Then obviously we know what he did this year winning the Super Bowl. So maybe the Madden curse is over. But this seems appropriate that Lamar Jackson would be on the cover. People are tweeting out clips of him doing Madden type moves.

And I mean, we haven't seen him play in a while, obviously, because it's not football season. But, man, he's, he, the league isn't such a great position moving forward, the quarterback position. It's incredible. Just the way that it's evolving, it's so fun to watch. And so quickly. Like guys adapt now. Like they're in, six games later, they're ready to play at a high level. And he's just, he's such a thrill to watch because he not only puts these incredible moves on guys, he gets out of bounds or he gets down.

So he's so good at avoiding the hit. Mahomes too, that it's just you can watch without that horrible anxiety of like he's going to take this big hit. He knows how to get the extra yards and get out of bounds. Really looking forward to watching him again this season. So he's on the cover of Madden. Finally, this is the year of the uniform update. And the latest uniform update is the Chargers. They release their new uniforms today.

They have six combinations of uniform options with powder blue jerseys is their home primary. and for the first time since 1973, the player's number will be added to the side of the helmets. I really like the Patriots update. This is by far the best uniform update. They already had one of the best uniforms in the league. I think they're dark blues. The Chargers' new dark blues are the best uniform in the league.

They're really great. They're really... I mean, the powder blues are so nice. The all whites with the powder blue is great, too. I mean, they're all great. The only ones I don't really love are the dark, dark. blues. There's like a on the far end. So those ones do you like the most? Or the, I like the, they're second, there's, um, I think it's the second to the last. Is it the dark,

yeah. I think there's like a dark, dark one and then sort of a medium. Yeah, I like the dark, dark blue. I think that's as good as an NFL uniform can look. And I love the numbers on the helmets. Totally love it. They look great. They really do. So Chargers got that. They got that done. Yes, they do. Good stuff. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for. stopping by. The herd line news. So there are a lot of like legitimately big time players and a couple stars rumored to be traded

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Go to discover.com slash credit scorecard. It doesn't hurt your credit or anything. Discover.com slash credit scorecard. So the trade rumors have been swirling around with not just average players, but like star players in the league. And so today, you know, the show, Deal or No deal. This is dealt or not dealt, and we're playing it today. All right, O'Dell Beckham Jr., dealt or not dealt. I would deal in. I do not think he'll be dealt before the start of the NFL season. I think Kevin Stefansky, and I think they're taking calls on it, but my guess is he wants to give him a run. To me, it makes so much sense for OBJ. They have real needs on the O-line and

linebacker. I think you have now with Austin Hooper too many mouse to feed for young Baker Mayfield with a new system with no OTAs. I'd move him, but I don't think they will. OJ. Howard, dealt or not dealt? He only had one touchdown last year. Bruce Ariens, if you look at the history of Bruce Aryan systems, it's not terribly tight and friendly. And Cameron Brate actually had more targets and more completions and more touchdowns last year. So OJ. Howard's a very expensive toy for a coach that doesn't particularly use that position. Jamal Adams dealt or not dealt? I think I would deal him.

I don't think he'll get dealt before the season. And my feeling is he's wildly explosive. He's very popular. I could go either way on this. Joe Douglas so far has said all the right things. I would deal him and I think he's unbelievable. And I think Joe Douglas is really smart. And I think I could almost flip this.

I think Joe Douglas knows to get better at multiple key positions. You have to trade him. But it would make a big splash. And I don't know if Joe Douglas' first year GM wants to do that. Joe Tooney, dealt or not dealt? By the way, Jamal Adams has it your left too. I don't think Joe Tuny's going to get dealt. Number one, he has not missed a start in his four-year career.

That is so Belichekian. Also, he's their best offensive lineman. He's a two-time all pro. And the Patriots franchise tagged him. So, you know, there are some positions that at this current time, if you're going to go after a quarterback in this draft joy, I don't think Joe Tunney's a guy you're going to let go. I think you can let go of defensive players,

but I wouldn't be shocked. I think New England's going to strongly address. Last year they went to a lot of defensive stuff in the draft. I think they're going to address their offense very much in this draft. Yeah, you want to keep your offensive line intact. D4, dealt or not dealt? Delt, and I don't know if they'll be able to deal him. He's very expensive, and he had injuries last year.

But I think, and also they got rid of Bruckner, and if they get rid of D. Ford, you could say, well, you know, that is not ideal for what we want. I do think that they have the luxury of having been to a Super Bowl. I think there's a great draft defensively next year. I think they need a receiver. So my feeling is the D. Ford move. It's one of those John Lynch risks, which he's prone to taking,

that didn't really pan out. But I think they'd deal him if they could. Juan Alexander, dealt or not dealt? Not dealt. Now, he's only 25 years old, and he's got three years left in his deal. I actually think their defense last year, when Kwan Alexander, you remember this, he got hurt. I don't think their defense was nearly as good without Kwan Alexander. He is a hyper athletic linebacker they got from Tampa.

I love the deal because remember they lost Ruben Foster to some personal stuff. They let him go. And Kwan, maybe not Ruben Foster talented, but darn close. So I don't think they deal. And remember, this team is really young defensively so they can afford Kwan Alexander for another year. They were going to have to pay Brutner. They're young.

They've got a lot of guys who are overperforming their contract. They'll keep him. The Redskins number two overall pick, dealt or not dealt? Not dealt. Chase Young is seen as the best defensive player kind of easily in this draft. And I think Ron Rivera, who's a very good personnel guy and has a great eye for talent, I just, this is a kind of potentially a Vaughn Miller. generational pass rusher,

Khalil Mack. I don't think a defensive coach is going to deal that. I agree. Lions number three overall pick. Delts are not dealt? I think they're in a power position. I think one of the two teams

that Chargers or Miami is going to move up and get Justin Herbert. Now, it should be said, I like Herbert more than all the draft people do. I think he and Burrow are a lot closer than people think. I do think Burrow

is a little better escaping being in the pocket. But I think Herbert's got real, like Alex Smith's straight line speed if you get them out of the pocket. So I think Detroit, if they got a call, I think they'd be making a mistake because I think they can get Jeff Okuda three picks later. Because if you look at who's drafting after them, like the New York Giants, I think the Giants are going to go offensive line potentially or Isaiah Simmons.

So I think absolutely the Lions deal their pick. dealt or not dealt want to thank russell wilson stopped by for 20 minutes he doesn't do a lot of radio tv stuff he's been great to our show al michael's today told great i felt bad for our our video people thinking colin we don't have all this boxing video for 10 minutes you and al i can listen and talk to al michael's all day and peter shregor first hour had the very latest on what's happening with the nfl draft our friends at low's doing something special for the draft on fox sports radio associates who have gone above and beyond the call of duty during the crisis. Don't miss all the

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