The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Draymond Green Show - Finals Game 2 Breakdown w/ Kevon Looney #ChampsOnly

Episode Date: June 10, 2024

Draymond Green is joined by Kevon Looney to break down game two of the NBA Finals between the Boston Celtics and Dallas Mavericks. They discuss how the Celtics have gone up 2-0 and what the Mavericks can do to adjust. Then they discuss the Lakers coaching rumors + Loon's future with the Warriors.  0:00 Start 8:00 Steve Kerr story  12:00 Finals MVP narrative 20:00 Mavericks adjustments 44:00 Dan Hurley to Lakers? 50:00 Looney's future w/ Warriors Produced by: Jackson Safon #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Exclusions may apply. Now it is time to welcome our guests for Game 2A champs only. I am so excited to have this guest because I've watched this man grow from a young 18-year-old boy that came out of high school with a bunch of height. went through UCLA and delivered, came into the NBA and got red flagged, which is what we will talk about. Special, special player, even more special person.

And you all have heard me say it before. I won't say it because he's right here. But one of the, if not the best teammate I've had, but even aside from that, and I've said this verbatim, the most professional guy that I've ever, been around. And by the way, you see me getting suspended this stuff. I'm not the best profession. No, in the NBA.

But this guy is the most professional. I've never seen him late for anything. Always way early for everything. Never has a complaint no matter what the situation is, whether that's I'm starting today. I'm out of the rotation tomorrow. Does not matter whether that's, I need to switch on the James Harden or you need me to battle with Joelle and B. I'll do that too. By the way, I'll tell you a quick story before I really introduced this guest. So we lost in the finals in 2016, which was his first year. And after the game, we lost, game seven, after that series ended,

he and his guy, which is my guy, loving the death, big war, they said, man, you need to help rebounding out there. And Loon could have helped you rebound. And I'm like, man, yeah, yeah, we could rebound the better. And they're like, no, Loon could have. I'm telling you, Loon. would have helped you rebound. Lou would have got those rebounds.

And the reality is he then follows all of that talk up years later with 20 plus rebounds and multiple games on the way to an NBA championship, starting center. None other. It's time for us to welcome our guests. Golden State Warrior, three-time NBA champion. My man, Tune, Kavon, Lune. What's up, my brother? What's up, man?

I appreciate the intro. Absolutely. I'm glad to be. Hey, listen. I'm excited as hell to have you on because, number one, I think, A, people don't get to hear you talk often. B, people don't understand the importance that you've had in the run that we've had, the importance that you've had, and the championships we won. They don't understand that, and they really don't know you, and they think you're mute, which, by the way, this dude didn't say a word. for many years.

Actually, you all know about the episode that me and Coach Kerr, Steve Kerr had in the locker room against OKC when Lisa Saulters went out and reported what was like coming out of a locker room, which was like a saw, but crazy. But this guy never said a word.

By the way, I think that thing may have happened in like February or March. This guy hadn't said a word all year. And then me and Steve, like, going out of the locker room. And he's sitting there, like, uncontrollably laughing. Like, and then he starts to talk. And the reality is to see something like that. Me personally, I feel like that's the Milwaukee in him.

Like, it opened you up. But let's start there. Talk to me about that, Loom. Like, why all of a sudden did you feel like, oh, now I'm going to start talking to y'all after that happened? You know, coming in as a rookie, and I was hurt to start the year off. So I didn't really give the chance to, like, be around y'all or be in the locker room. I was rehabbing. Had me rehabbing, like, at a different place.

So it was like a little bit weird being around you guys. And y'all was a little bit older. And we didn't lose the game either. So it was like, all right, I didn't feel comfortable being myself. Everything was seen like it was all, like, roses and winning every game. And then to see something really happened where guys really was tested. And I seen, like, I reminded my team's, growing up or that chaos.

People really want to win. Like, people really want to win. And I see y'all sit together. It made me feel comfortable. It made me feel like home. I feel like I was like, I look at my guys. Like, ah, these are my type of dudes right here. They really like, no, you see it about,

when you're in college and high school, you see it on TV. I don't know how the type of dudes these are, but to see it up and live and personal, all these dudes really about that, I'm from real comfortable when I came out of my shell a little bit. That's hilarious because obviously none of you were there for that moment.

But in this moment, Steve wanted to kill me, and then he realized I wanted to kill him. Yeah, that's one of the funniest things I've been a part of and sitting next to the most face and hearing everybody trying to calm everybody down. I actually going to help myself from laugh. I know it wasn't right to laugh. It was a serious moment. But hearing Clay in the background, telling Draymond relax and we're a teen you guys,

it just named me laugh. That was one of the funniest things I've been a part of. Kela Clay's like, Dre, shut up, man. He's the coach, man. We won that game. We came back, y'all put us together and made, that's when Steph hit the crazy half-course shot. So it was like, all right, that is the shot that actually, like,

obviously Steph had already start becoming Steph. But, like, if you want to pinpoint a moment in Steph's career, that shot was like, oh, he different. This dude here, he got no conscious. He shoot the ball from anywhere in any situation. That shot was different. That's what separated him. Well, not separated him.

But that's what made people like, oh, no, he really wanted them ones. And they came off the hills of Steve trying to murder me and then me hopping up and trying to get back at him. What a time, man. Steve and I, by the way, Loon, this is just one moment. Steve and I have had so many of those moments, and it's just been like, like that. We actually built our relationship on those moments.

And as Loon can attest to now, I don't even think me and Steve have an argument today. Like, he's like, oh, Dremont, you, like, what the fuck are you doing? You should have. And I'm like, all right, my bad. Like, I'll do it now. But it's been great.

Nonetheless, obviously we just, we're here with three-time champion Kavana Luni and we just watched the NBA finals. I watched the NBA finals. You watched the NBA finals. Let's start off. Number one, and I'll just get right into it.

This is the first question I want to ask because I'm watching it and I couldn't help but think this because we lived it. If the Boston Celtics closed this series out and win the NBA championship and Jason Tatum does not win the MVP. We watched it with Steph, right? For years, they're like, oh, man, it's like an asterisk.

If Jason Tatum does not win MVP, how do you see that playing out for him if he doesn't win MVP in this series? For him, I think it's going to be business as usual. You know, from watching Steph not get it, it didn't really change none of his confidence. You know, of course he wanted to win him. as a competitor you want to win it,

but I don't feel like it's going to, you know, change his demeanor. I don't think he's going to look at his teammates anything differently. You know, after being there and losing, he got that taste of losing. I think at this point, he just want to get the ring.

I think that's the first thing I think he wanted to accomplish. Then maybe you get there a second and third time. Now you want to get all the extra, I want the finals of EP on that, but I think right now he's just trying to win. He knows how I feel to lose in that moment, and we both been on the losing side

and it hurts. So he just want to get to that tasting to champagne. and get that experience. Hey. By the way, losing in the NBA finals is the absolute worst thing you can do. You lose about seven weeks of your summer,

seven weeks of your 17-week summer, and you got absolutely nothing to show for it other than like a garbage playoff check that in the grand scheme of things, it's good money. But when you break it down, like, I actually make more money per game than the NBA Finals check if you win the NBA Finals. Like when you break it down to play 25 extra game.

Like when you really break it down, the check actually doesn't make sense. Nonetheless, we'll take the money for sure. But you only got to show for like a little bit more in your playoff bonus. And you lost your seven weeks or something. wearing a tear on your body. Oh, my God. That's like, when you play,

give your heart out, you come up short, now you got to spend a whole summer rehab and you don't get to be healthy all the way. It's just a lot, a lot more pain. What you end up doing is, you end up going into your summer,

like managing your body. And so the reality, it's very hard to get better coming off in NBA finals because you need a break. And then you're trying to manage your body. And then you're trying to ramp up at the right time so that you're ready.

to get back. Like, it's actually the absolute worst thing that can happen to you, getting to the NBA finals and losing. That was the worst experience in my career, both times. Yeah, definitely. It's the worst. Oh, you experienced both of those, by the way. Both of them, yeah.

It's the worst. By the way, Toon's first experience, we're not going to talk about it. I blew it. And we'll move on for now. I blew it. Ah, I blew it. It's cool. We'll move on from that.

But, Tune, I got a question for you. So we had a lot of success against this Boston team when we start sending everybody left. And when you watch this series, I actually think you can still do it and be successful. However, I don't think Dallas has been egregious enough and, like, no, you got to go left. I actually think they're favoring that. thing more with JT than they are with J.B. And I think you can have some success with both of them doing that. Nonetheless, when you're looking at Dallas's game plan,

what is it that you think they can do differently to help them, like, get a win in this series and get rolling? I feel like it's more the office event than a defense event. I would feel like they're not like Boston isn't getting a hundred and twenty-some points. No, they're not shooting the three that well and making it tough for Tatum. We're not getting easy looks. But offensively, I think you got to get like Luca came out really aggressive in the first quarter. I feel like he got to get his role guys a little bit more involved in the first half.

I know as a role player in that first quarter, if you don't get a layup or a dunk or something to get you going, you get a little tense. Now later in the game, you ain't going to be a, you can shoot the balls. as well. Seemed like the things don't go your way if you don't get off to a good start. And for a game one, they didn't get off to a good start as a team. I think today they, you know, Luca came out, made sure that they got out to a better start. He was really aggressive. He had got it going.

But I don't know if his, you know, PJ got it going or Derek didn't have that confidence shooting three. Cleburne had that confidence. So I think it's more the office event. They got to figure out what pace they want to play at to, you know, so look really control the game. I think they didn't have really found a rhythm of like what, you know, what's the right pace for on right now.

I don't know what you think. I actually think exactly what you just said. I think the offensive end, Lucas started off great, and I agree with you. Like, it's like me. If I see that first three go in, like, it changes my night offensive. Like, you see that first one going. Because here's, like, here's how you have to think about it, right? Like, if I see that first three go in, that mean I got two threes to play with.

Like, because if I miss the next. two, I'm at 33% cool. Ain't nobody expecting me to shoot 45 like Steph Curry. Like so, I'm at 33 percent if I missed those next two. So that gave me two threes to play with, right?

And I think Luca did come out super aggressive. And to be quite honest, I think as much as Luca needed to come out that aggressive, it actually played right into the hands of Boston. Because Boston's game plan,

you can see, their game plan is, all right, Luca and Kyrie, y'all beat us. Like, we're going to take these other guys away. We're taking these lives away. All the lives you was getting against Minnesota. All the lives you was getting, I'm drawing a blank on who they was playing before. But all the lives, we've taken all of that stuff away. And now, let's see, can you beat us with Luke and Kyrie? And I think, I think Luca played really well.

Kai is getting to his spots. He's just missing. He missed shots. Like, and as we know, this is a make or miss leave. So I agree with you 100%. I think their offense has actually hurt their defense. Like their defense has, I think, like I said, I think they can be more egregious and plan on Boston being the directional team that they are.

I think they can be more egregious in those coverages. But at the same time, their offense, the offense has been a problem. And it's crazy because when I was. was, when I was watching the game and I was thinking about the podcast, like, you'll be watching, I'll be taking notes and I'll be thinking. And like, one thing I was going to say is, Dallas right now has to make an adjustment. And the adjustment that they have to make is actually extremely tough buts doable, which is they actually need to change their office right now. I think they need to have Luca in the post

Like put Luca in the post Because here's the thing And you can speak to this And I want you to speak to it Luca The way he plays And you know He has the ball

He makes all the plays Is a lot It's very similar I won't say a lot like Because I think Lucas actually like LeBron James But I'll say very similar To James Harden

Rockets And you can speak to that because I remember, well, I'll get to that question in a second, but like, talk to me about that. Like, Luca got the ball and they're saying, great, go beat us. Like, good, go. And he had 23, like, with seven minutes to go in the second quarter or something like that. But their game plan is to let you do that. So just talk to me about, like, knowing, understanding. like when you get in these NBA finals,

we know you go on with a game plan, then when you see that game plan work, like talk to me about that, like understanding the game plan, seeing it work, and then like what's next for the opposite team that seeing their game plan not work.

Right. Yeah, I agree with putting Luca on the post. Like from Garnham, in the playoffs and Guard him throughout the year, when he's at the top, he's tough to stop, but you know you got help. He's farther away from the basket.

you can, you know, kind of pick the shots you want to take or he got to take a lot more dribbles to get to his spot. But when he gets a live dribble in the post, you kind of got it double. And now he can really pick him apart. He can get other guys involved because he can shoot his turn around. He can shoot the same shots he's doing from the top. He gets to do it off the post.

And now you've got to, like, kind of got to help. Everybody, he gets already getting in the paint. Now guys don't know where to rotate from. It's just difficult. Even when we playing them this year, it was kind of hard. When he's on the post, it's kind of hard to really, dictate where he's going to make the pass and stuff like that. So I agree with putting him on the post and moving around

because to sit him at the top, he's going to score, but I think it's easier to take the other guys away. You can just switch everything and play boxers and elbows and then close out and Boston's super athletic. So they can really, you know, get out to the shooters. And so I think, yeah, putting them on the post will probably be best. You know, he can score anybody down there. That's on holiday, Tate them.

So they're going to have to send somebody at some point. And then when they do, he's able to pick them apart and get other guys involved. So I definitely agree with that. I watched you make a career actually out of, all right, let me explain this because people will be like, oh, like how could you be disrespectful like that? But the reality is we all make our careers off of something.

Like you do something and then you're able to build on that. And I watched you make a career out of actually being switched on to James Hart and a guy who has actually become our brother, I always say it's nuts. But C.P. I watched them, like, you come in the game, then wave me out of the pick and roll. Like, no, don't bring him up.

Bring him up. And call you into the pick and roll. Like, all right, now we got to switch. I'm going at him. And then you sit down on C. You sit down on James. And, like, make them take tough shots. Are we expecting you to lock them down?

Of course not. Like, by the way, not expecting me to lock them down. expecting Clay the lot. You want to make them take tough. And I watched you switch on to them and make them take tough shots over and over and over again and then start to build your career. When you look at this Boston team,

they're switching everything, and they're like, y'all got to beat us. And what Boston keep doing is, they keep calling Al Horford into the pick and roll. Al Horford is switching. Now, by the way, that's actually Boston's worst nightmare because I actually think Al Horford is way worse than pick a row coming.

than he is switching. And so it's working to their favor. But like I said, I watched you make a career out of that. When you watch them continue to call Al Horford into the pick and roll, what is that like being the big that's on the other side of that? And then also, do you think it's possible for Dallas to win if they keep just calling him into the pick and roll and then getting the switch? Well, as a big and called into the pickerel, every time it sucks. That's one thing. And playing with you, nobody wants to attack you. So I had to always be the guy. All right, just bring the other big into it.

So I got a lot of reps. And Horford is not a bad defender. It'd be different if he's somebody has a cone out there. He's, you know, they're blowing right past him. But, you know, Horford is a, he's a good positional defender. He's going to make somebody get to their second move. And when you get that far from the basket, that's all you want, you know, be there three seconds, make them work, make a change direction once.

Even if you're guard, that's all you really want to. to do so I think it's going to I don't think it's a good idea to keep uh you know bringing them into picking rows and switching uh I think like Horpe you got kind of move him around and uh that's what we kind of did with Steph when it wasn't just straight oh ISO one-on-one like we kind of moved him around that we talked about sprinting to the screen flipping the screen changing the angle so now he's got to be on the move but if he's able to just to line you up and have his hands out he's going to be able to get a stop or he'll make it tough for you but when you as a big on the move you got a guard, change the direction, that's when it gets really tough.

And I think that they kind of got to move the bigs around. It's so easy just to play one-on-one from the top. You know, I can, it's easy to base somebody into a three. It's tough being somebody taking all step-back threes and tough too. Yeah, no, I agree 100%. It's crazy because when you sprint into those screens, it then builds confusion of the switch. Like, oh, now you sprint into it.

That guy got to sprint. Now he's moving. He got to stop. The guy are coming off. He can split. He can attack you. You're getting that switch. It's not just like you lowing up.

The defense isn't set in the other spots. You sprint into it. You sprint into it. You can flip it. You sprint into it. You can slip it. Like, it opens up so many options. Right.

The one lot they did get was from Jones flipping the screen. It was a lot of confusion. He got the lot. So I think they got to definitely, you know, try to change the screen, change the angle and oh don't always put the big in because we kind of we game plan for that we know all right if wharfers in uh in uh in uh in the ice on the island this is what we're going to do uh when you change the the pieces and the players sometimes guards don't know how to switch all the time or they might not be used to different type of switches so or if it's brown and tannel

are we switching are we not like that you got to kind of try to change the pieces on the on the court i agree with that 100 percent um i saw something in the third quarter that happened and it was very reminiscent of me or reminiscent of something for me that I saw and I just wonder if you saw the same thing

or did it make you think the same thing that it made me think what did Peyton Pritcher's third quarter buzzer be to make you think about our series JP in the shot I changed the whole of the middle changed everything, by the way.

We were up. What were we up? 15 points of something going into that quarter, and they took the lead. And then, by the way, when you take a lead like that, after coming down, coming back from down so much,

and then you take the lead, what it does to the other team is demoralists. Right. They had the lead, and then J.P. hits the crazy shot, which then takes the momentum back immediately for us because now, as opposed to you looking up and saying, we're up one, you look up and you say,

man, we killed ourselves, we down to. And what that does to you mentally is crazy because I was watching the game. And I said to a few of my friends, Dallas was playing extremely well. And they looked up, and it was 3635 Boston. And when they looked up and saw 3635 Boston, what that, I could look at Dallas, by the way,

and you can see like, by the way, you see me, I'm talking a minute. When you see this, you know we got them. And I saw that from Dallas. Like, when they looked up and it was 36, 35, You saw Lucas still like, ah, come on, I'm going, I'm going to go. But you saw guys like, that's that belief of like, and tune, you can speak to this. I feel like, and I wonder if you feel the same way.

I feel like we get to a point in every series. The first time we didn't get to that point was actually the Lakers in my career where we got to a point and we like, oh, we got this. Actually, yeah, even when we lost the clippers we thought we had and when we lost to the Spurs, we was up to 1, we thought we thought. But you get to a point in every series where you're like, oh, I know X, Y, and Z, we win it. And at that moment, I feel like Boston was like, oh, we got this. Like, we win it. But anyway, can you speak to that on do you feel that way,

that same way as well of like when you get to the point in the series and you're like, oh, yeah, we got this one? For sure. Like, going into a series, like, you've confident that you can win, but you don't really know. Like, all, we see what they're going to do. We play them in the regular season, but you know it's different in the playoffs.

So when you get to play in, even you can go down and you can lose and then like, and still feel like, all right, we lost this game, but we got these dudes. Like, we figured out what they're doing. We got the game plan.

If I made this suggestion, we're going to win. And we, it's, it's, I don't know, I never been on the other side where I didn't feel like when it was that Lakers series where we got down. It's like, all right,

what we're going to do to figure this out? how are we going to crack this cold, who we need to get going to win and different things like that. And watching the game, I definitely feel like Boston feel like, oh, we got these dudes like, Tatea not shooting well.

Jaylon Brown ain't shoot that well, but we still, we're still winning. We're making all the 50-50 plays. We're playing our solid basketball, and that's, when you're doing that, you feel good about it. When we can play a bad game

or not have a shoot night, but our identity, our will kind of win us the game. That's what you know. We got this. Now you go back home thinking. We should make our threes. We should win by 20.

And that feeling gives you the confidence. We can go win it. So I definitely feel like Boston feels that way. Dallas, they go home. So they're going to feel good about it. Everybody play better at home. And I think that game three is going to be big. Because they need a confident win too.

They don't need to squeak it out. They need to go out there and really flex their muscles so they can get that confidence back. Like, oh, we really could beat these dudes and put some doubt into Boston. This is the Draymond Green show presented to you by high, actually not by High Price. This is the Dreymond Green show presented to you by Kavon Looney.

Because the things that this man is saying right now, I hope you're all listening. And this is exactly why I was excited as hell when I hit you yesterday, like, yo, hey, you know what's crazy, too, and I ain't going to lie to you. I was sitting there and I'm like, we need to book a guest for champs only tomorrow.

Who do we book? Who do we book? And Trave said, what about Loom? And I said, man, say no more. That's genius. Because A, I love him to death, but B, he's going to get the opportunity to show the world how smart he is. And I get to live it every day.

Like, this dude come to me, and, like, most people were considering, or me smart in the basketball world. And like this dude kind of me like, hey, what you see? Because I see, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You see that? I'm like, what do you want me to tell you?

Like, what do you want me to say? Like, you just said it. Like, that's exactly what's happening. And when I tell you, and I've raved about him, right? I've raved about his professionalism. I've raved the bottom of being a great teammate. What I have not raved about it,

about is how smart this man is. And the things that he's saying right now is actually things that if I was sitting here doing a podcast with y'all by myself, the things that I will want to say. I'm not sure I'll land on them because you get in this thing and it's a little different. Like, you kind of go with the flow, you make your points. I'm not sure I'll land on them. But the things that he's saying right now is where I would want to land. And I hope you're all listening because the education that you're getting right now is special.

This man talking about going back home, how everybody going to play better, how they need to win. Not they need to win, but how they need to win in order to make this a series. See, as the Big Diesel say, this is G14 classification telling you, what you need to know, how you need to go about it. And I'm sorry, but, you know, I love taking pride in the Draymond Green Show, but the Draymond Green Show is being dominated right now, and you got to love it because when you tuned into this show,

you didn't expect it. You know why you didn't expect it? Because you didn't know that the reason this man is so successful, the reason this man can go get 20 rebounds, in multiple playoff games in a series. It's not because he can jump that high. It's not because he's the smartest guy. It's because he's, I mean, excuse me,

not the smartest guy. I mean, the strongest guy. It's because he's smart. It's because he can see the ball like, oh, that's about to bounce there. I'm going to go that way. Y'all remember the thing, I'm going to set the mic down so I could do this.

Y'all remember the thing when Dennis Rob was. Like, that's what this man does And it's one of the most incredible things But even also from a defensive perspective It's not that he's fast enough To keep up with Prime James Hardin mixing everybody Or Prime Chris Paul mixing it It's not that he's fast enough

It's not that he moves great enough To keep up with them dudes I don't move great enough To keep up with them dudes It's because he's that smart And so I hope y'all are appreciating this the way I'm appreciated. In tune, I appreciate that.

I appreciate that. You know, you're a hard player I don't play with. I got a lot of knowledge from you, so I appreciate that. Hey, listen, one of the things I always say, and it's crazy because I'd be feeling like it and I never tell them. You can't be the king of the parking lot forever, and you're not going to be the guy.

By the way, if you take you take it, someone under your wing and you try to teach them the things that you know if they don't end up smarter than you you didn't do a good job or you didn't do the job that needed to be done because for me since this man arrived in go to in San Francisco Oakland actually but with the Golden State Warriors he actually arrived to take my spot like because the Warriors kept drafting people to like get me out of there for like five, six years. It was like, loon. Then it was, I mean, I could just name the names.

I won't remember the order. But it was like, loon, then J.B. Then like Eric Pascal, Smiley. Like, the list went on. And the Warriors kept drafting people to like replace me. And I get it, by the way. Like, it was never like a, oh, that's bullshit. Or like, fuck that.

I'm not going to teach this man. It was never that for me for a couple of reasons. Number one is because when I got the spot that I got, when David Lee was hurt and then I took this over the spot, he never stopped teaching me. He never stopped saying like, yo, you see this, like they're doing this, you should, or how to come back. He never stopped teaching me and loved David Lee to death.

Always will have my love and respect. Never stopped teaching me. So number one, I was taught that. at Michigan State, when the competition was going on, Travis Warden taught us like, no, I'm in competition with Caleb Lucas because he coming in to take my spot. But that's my little brother,

and I'm going to teach him everything I know. And so for me, I've tried to teach and instill everything I know into this man right here because I felt like that was my duty. And I'd be feeling so dumb when he come talk to me, like, yo, you see da-da-da-da-da-da. And, like, sometimes I don't even see it. And I'll be like, yeah, yeah, I saw that.

Like, I just act like I saw it. But secondly, even if I do see it, it's like, bro, you don't need the answers for me. Like, you know the answers to the tests already. Like, I don't need to give you the answers to the test. And I feel like he'd be doing that on purpose to make me look or feel done. Not look, because it's just me and him. Feel dumb. He's like, yo, you see blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And they're doing this. And I'm like, yeah, that's exactly what they're doing. But nonetheless. I got to make sure I'm right. I'll be having ideas, but I got to make sure check in with you. Because if you've seen it, I know I'm right there. Right. It is the most special thing.

When you take a young guy under your wing and then you see them have success, it is the best fella. By the way, it was the same thing for me with Jordan Poo. When I took JP under my wing and to see him have success was the best thing for me. One of the worst feelings I've ever had as an NBA basketball player was seeing him get a contract and knowing that I fucked it off and I couldn't celebrate his contract with him. It was one of the worst feelings that I've ever had as a guy. an NBA player. Not losing the NBA finals

as much as that sucks. You move on from it. But like, that's a life-changing thing. Like, we've experienced that. Like, you got your contract. That was life-changing. Right? We experienced that. And

to see his life change like that and, like, I think he had like a party or something with his people in San Francisco or something and, like, to not be able to go celebrate that with him. And I fucked it off like I did. I ain't going to sit and act like I didn't.

I fucked it off. You know me, I take it on the chin and I, I take it on the chin. It is what it is. I don't hide from my fuck-ups. Just like I don't hide from my wins. When I talk to y'all about the wins I have and I tell you, don't let us win another

fucking championship. And then I tell you about it, I'm the same way with my losses. And I messed that one up. But it hurts. And to see Loon had a success that they've had And to just know, like, you taught them a little bit. Like, you did what you were supposed to do to teach a little bit.

It's the best feeling in the world. And now alone you're doing that. What was it like for you to see Trace playing well this year? Well, to see Trace play well, it's been great, you know, seeing them in, because really during the summertime, he was hurt. So I couldn't really, like, play with him. We didn't get a lot of time to, like, work out together. but this year, you know, being able to work out with him and see his talent.

I remember me and you talking about, like, in the summertime, he couldn't play at the minicamp. He was asking him, well, man, what are you going to get out on the court? Is he? How easy? I'm like, pretty good. Like, you got a good feel for the game, got a high IQ. I didn't know he was that athletic until probably the season actually started. But just to see his growth and be able to learn and, like, work out when it's been cool,

especially after, like, losing Decky, I feel like our best. big man, this guy a lot closer. So it's always, always cool to, you know, see him, no, reap his, the reward after the work he put in. So it's been really cool. I had that question for you, because being older in the league, like, I'll be seeing the plays, but you got a great skill of breaking it down. So a lot of times I come to you just so you can break it down better than I can.

I just want to know where you learn that from and, like, who taught you how to really so you can put a complex scheme, you can bring it down into the layman's turn so anybody can get it. Honestly, Toome, I feel like I am more blessed than any basketball player in the NBA. And the reason I feel that way

is because the coaching that I had along the way, like, when I started playing basketball, my uncle Benny taught me the game. Like, he didn't teach him. me, my uncle Benny still called me to this day and be like, man, I taught you great. I'm just disappointed because the one thing I didn't teach y'all was one-on-one scoring. He's like, I taught y'all everything, man.

I feel so happy about it when I watch you play. It's like, but I'm disappointed in myself because the one thing I didn't teach y'all was one-on-one scoring. And to go from my uncle Benny who taught me the game at a very young age, like I learned how to play helpside defense in elementary. Like, help side rules, gap defense, like the things that you learn, by the way, I see guys coming into NBA learning these things because they had them terrible college coaches that they thought was nice and they're not Tom iso.

By the way, Lew should have been a Spartan, but that's a conversation for another day. But when I tell you guys coming to NBA, not knowing how to get in the gap, not knowing how to play help side deep, I learned that in elementary school. And then the coaches that I had along the way, Coach Dawkins, Coach Speedy, and to make it to the great Tom Izzo.

The things, like Tom Izzo, as much as I was taught by those coaches before, Tom Izzo taught me how to break it down that way because coach is would bring you into a film session. And by the way, as you know, I just explained to y'all my relationship with Coach Kerr and how it started.

It began. I am very much so the player that's going to test you. I am very much so the player that's going to question you. I am very much so the guy that if you don't know what you're talking about, you're going to hate me. Because I'm going to ask you to question.

and you got to give me an answer. And ain't no roundabout answer you giving me. You got to answer my question. Or I'm going to, like, that don't make sense. And by the way, I'm going to let you know I feel like that don't make sense. And Coach Izzell had a saying, he said, listen, my office door is always open. But if you come in the kitchen, you better bring the goods. Because if you go in Coach Isle's office and you say blah, blah, blah,

He's going to take you right through this little doorway in his office, which is his big film room with a big long table. And he's going to sit you down, and he's going to rip you apart through film. Like, look at this, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he taught me how, A, to watch Phil, which is like, man, Loon just had a turnover. But why didn't Loon how to turn over?

Because Draymond threw him a pass at his feet. and when you throw him a pass at his feet, he had to bend down and get that pass. And then his next pass was from there out of emotion, out of bounds. And people's mind is like, hey, Loon just had a turnover. What Coachizzo taught me is,

Draymond, you had to turn over, right? And so through Phil, he then taught me indirectly how to break these things down into lamest terms. And so when he taught me how to watch Phil, that's when I learned how to break the game of basketball down the way I can

because I watched these films with him. And again, I'm going in there like, is fuck this, man, I didn't get the ball. And he like, look at this. Look at that. Look at this. Look at this. And he would tear me down so bad.

Like, to the point where you walk out of there, you feel so defeated, but I will walk out of there and I would feel like, man, I am so much smarter than I was when I walked in there. And that's kind of where I got it from.

It's like, it's teaching, like the way he taught me. Like, you see me in film session. When we watch Phil, I go, go, go, go. Because the things that I'm watching on film when we watch a film

is probably not what everybody else is watching. but I've been taught to watch film like Tom Isall. That's the only way I know. And so that helped me learn how to break down these things to where like anybody can understand it. Because to Tom Isol's basketball knowledge, I was just like everybody else. I was anybody that needed to understand.

And he would break it down like that. And that's why you should have went to Michigan State to him. But you put it like that, it sounds good, but UCLA, where is that? I'm recruiting his son right now. He's going to be at UCLA, too. It's crazy because, you know, we live, we live right up the street from UCLA. And DJ be like, Daddy, UCLA this, UCLA that, UCLA. I'm like, bro, we spark.

It's like, we Michigan's. And I told Tune this and now Tune just hold it over my head. It's crazy. It's crazy. But Toul, I don't want to hold you too long. I got a couple more questions for you. What do you think Dallas can do? And you've kind of hinted out in a little bit.

But give me two adjustments that the Dallas Mavericks need to make in order to get back in this series. Well, definitely I get to others. a little more comfortable. How you go about that? That's for, it's a couple of different things. I seem like they tried to start the second, what was that, the third quarter?

They went to the chapter in the post and he got a couple of, I think he got a hook shot. And I think he got a much better habit just because he felt like he was involved, seen the ball going in the room. Like, we talked about putting Luca on, on the post, and see, we'll see how Boston reacts to that. That's another adjustment they could do.

I don't feel like I seen much Kyrie and Luca picking rows. Like them playing. That's something that maybe you could try for the office event. And defensively, I feel like they didn't have doing a good job. You know, Boston missed a lot of threes.

Maybe, like you said, send them left so they can, you know, kind of take Tatum and Brown from punching the paint. And they got to figure out how to take a holiday, like, energy plays out the game. He kind of put his hand print all over the game. he didn't bully him, but he kind of like had his way where he got where he wanted to get to. He came with whatever, he lose ball.

He made all the time he plays. So he got to figure out how to match his intensity. And as a role player, I feel like that's our job is to figure out that part. You know, the holiday is not a role player. He's a little bit to qualify for what he's actually doing out there. So as a guy, like, Derek Jones, June, you should probably take that, like, little person. I'm a, like, all the little, all the 50-50 balls that he's getting, I'm getting. Like, that's what I'm getting.

Like, that's what I try to do. All the small things for lively, like, try to go get eight office rebounds. All those type of energy plays kind of change the flow of the game and kind of, you know, breaks, you know, the Boston's like, you know, put some pressure on them and, you know, get a little bit more physically, a little bit more nasty, you're out there and see what happens. It's crazy. I'll be talking about I got a TV job. Y'all listen to this man talk.

This is inspired to me. This man knows everything. Switching gears a little bit, and I appreciate your assessment because I agree with you. Darren Hurley is reportedly making a decision on the Lakers job on Monday. And reportedly, he's extremely impressed with the Lakers pitch, but also loves what he has built at Yukon. Now, as a player that I actually played for a coach, very similar to Dan Hurley, which is like super intense, by the way, like, Is will tell us like, you suck at basketball. Like, Dremont, you stink.

You suck. Your mother could play better than you. Like, Is will say those types of things to us. And when I got to the NBA, a couple of times, is looked at, um, there was a couple of times that he looked at NBA jobs. And I remember specifically he was looking at the Cavs job. And what I was when I was in college. And he didn't know whether LeBron was coming back or not and he stayed.

But then he was looking at the Cavs job again when Beeline took it. Right. And I told his, I said if something that's simple. as the way guys dressed in the NBA will bother you. And you can't tell the guy that's making $30 million, he suck. Like, it's just going to be hard for you to do that. I'd much rather you stay in Michigan State. Now, selfishly, I wanted him to stay in Michigan State.

But also, me having his best interest, just like he's always had my best interest. To this day, no matter what happens, if anything goes right or wrong, I know I could turn to him. Right. Dan Hurley has that same style. I watch him with his players and it's crazy. Do you think that his intense style could translate to an NBA coach?

Uh, I would, he would have to adjust. Like, you just can't be that intense, uh, all the time in, in the NBA locker room. So I would say no, but, no, he's a great coach. So I know he can adjust, uh, But it's definitely going to be an adjustment. You can't come in for eight two games and be that intense. Because you're going to lose. I want to say you will lose the locker room.

But at some point, they're going to tune you out. If you're just always jettling, if you're always in people's face, if you're over-coaching, sometimes guys just like to figure out as a, we got to figure out as a unit sometimes. Or sometimes it need to be collaborative. Like our film sessions, you might take over one day or Chris Paul might take over.

Or Steph going to have something to say that day. So you can't just be a, a dictator in the locker room or I would not to call him one but intensity knows I think that will make our our team so special or our locker room is just the joy and to know how to balance it out. So off the top of my head I would say no just because you know it's a lot of different personalities in the NBA locker room in college you kind of kind of fall into place and NBA you don't have to.

You know you you want guys to buy in but no. at the end of the day, we all grown in. So people don't like getting shown up in front of people in front of the game. So it's a fine line between the tents and getting the bearers. So it's like, all right, you got to figure that, how to walk that. I agree. I agree. I think it's, go ahead.

Now, how do you feel about playing for Izzo as how you are now? I love Israel to death. If Israel said, if Ian said some of the things to me today, that he said to me when I was 20, it wouldn't work. It just wouldn't work. It would not work. And I'm so happy

is stayed at Michigan State because, A, I would hate for somebody to try to take a hit out of his legacy because it didn't work. Like, it's hard to coach an NBA, man. Like, by the way, Darwin and Ham had very two successful seasons

and got fired. Like, it is very hard to coach the NBA. So I would hate to see his legacy get impacted like that. But also, there's just some things you can say to me at 34 that you would have said to me at 19. And so he'd have to adjust. And by the way, Billy Donovan was much like is, right?

Like they were much like the same person. And, you know, he's made it work. I wouldn't necessarily say he's had the best coached your career in the NBA, but he's been a good NBA coach. And so. You're coaching, so you're doing good enough. Yeah. Like, right?

Like, so, you know, it could help. And I understand that. But I agree. That style, that particular style, if he's going to take that style. Right. You and I going to go in there and tell LeBron, LeBron, Jay. It ain't working. So that's my take on that.

But I do got one more question for you. If, and by the way, before I asked the question, there was also a thing where college coaches are like, you go on the campus, is on the man. Right. You go on Yukon campus. I only, what was his name?

Stefan Castle and what was the big kid name? Clinigan, like Donovan Clinigan or something. Like, Clinigan, yeah. Something like, Klingin. Klingin, Klingin. no disrespect to him. But like, they're not the man on campus. Dan Hurley's the man on campus.

Right. In the NBA, Dan Hurley, you only get blamed. Right. You don't get credit. Right. And so I think that's a totally different thing for coaches that have to accept as well.

And, like, how does his ego take that? Like, if you get the Laker's job, brother, you're like, seventh on the total pole, the most important people who went to Lakers, you're not number one. And so that's a different thing. It's saying that,

do you think the Lakers hiring Dan Hurley makes them a championship contender next year? I'm going to ask you a question. Were they a championship contender this year? They were not. Then I think just changing

the coach, then no. All they do is change the coach. I don't think that just puts them into contention. They don't have to, I don't know what they need to add, but they had to add something to figure it out. I don't think it just, I don't think Darwin Ham was the only problem for why they didn't win the championship. Facts.

So I couldn't just say, oh, we changed the coach, now we're a champion. I don't think it worked like that. That's a fact. So I would say no. I agree with you. And by the way, I actually think Darvaham was, like, building in the right direction. Like, they ran into a bad matchup for them,

which is, they ran into a bad matchup, which is the Nuggets. Like, that's the worst team they could have played because that matchup for them just isn't great. But I think Darvahel was actually doing a great job, but I agree with you. I don't think that makes you a championship contender, just like all things equal, like that team and then that coach. I don't think that makes you a championship contender.

I also don't think Darren Hurley's going to walk in a bet. Oh, well, LeBron, you need to. Right. It ain't happening. So, you know, nonetheless, I respect the hell out of Dan Hurley as a coach. I think he's incredible. Comes from an incredible pedigree, two-time national champion. I got nothing but respect for him, but this NBA is different.

Right. And people don't understand it. Yeah. Before we get out of here, last question, too. Huh? Go ahead, go ahead. I see, he definitely can adjust, but how long does it? it take for somebody

adjust from college you do it in overnight? Is it a two year to him really to figure it out? Like, you haven't been in the NBA game? How long do you, does it take to adjust? That's like another question too.

That's a fact. And then also, if it's a two-year adjustment, are they waiting past two? Because they got rid of Dharve after two. So it's a tough thing. Last question, too, and I got to ask this, I'll be, people would fight me if I didn't ask this.

Your future with the Warriors. Um, three million guarantee, eight million salary. There's a bunch of things going around. Nobody know what the hell they're talking about. But just talk to me about, yeah, what it's been like for the Warriors with you? Do you want to stay with the Warriors? What do you see next in your career? Just finished year, it's 2024.

Eight, year eight. It's your nine. You just finished your nine. Yeah, going on 2010 next year. Oh, we got full pension. What y'all are talking about? You better act like you know. full of pension.

But talk to me about that, too. Like, what, you know, like, what's next for you? Do you want to be with the Warriors? Do you see, like, ah, like, it didn't finish great for me this year. Like, what is it for you? Well, the ball isn't in my court. I don't have full control over my destiny,

so I kind of kind of play the waiting game, control what I can control. I've been here my whole career. I don't know nothing else. So, you know, you all, want to finish what you started and be somewhere for the whole career, but I've been in this business long enough. I know that's not realistic.

So I'm preparing myself for whatever. You know, my family's out here. The Bay's been great to me. They treat me like families. I grew up here. So I haven't really thought about too far. I'm trying to see what they're going to do first before I really, you know, push the envelope and see what I want to do.

Right now I'm just focusing on my game. You know, like, like you said, end in the season and the best for me. but I take pride in adapting and figuring stuff out. So that's my, I got a new goal, a new, new plan. I got to be an adapt. So I'm looking forward to, you know, add to my game, adapting to this new NBA and figuring out. And, you know, I've been working hard.

And I feel like I'm, you know, be a different player next year. And that's always, always the goal. I feel like I conquered my old, my old role. So now I've got to figure out my new role and take that next step. So that's what I've been focusing on. I'm trying to focus on my game. And usually when you focus on your game and you put it into work, things always work out for me.

So like I said, the ball ain't in my court. You know, I've been a warrior for life. Even whatever happens, I'm always going to be a warrior for life. And so I'm really just waiting to see what our organization going to do. You are most definitely that, my brother. You have been incredible for me in my life. I love you to death. I appreciate you.

I know this organization. The fan base appreciate you. And I don't know what the hell anybody's doing. Quaida, I don't even know. I hope to be there. But in saying all of that, as you said, number one, again, listen to these answers. This man is talking about the business of basketball. He's talking about the ball's not in my court.

The ball's in their court, but I'm prepared for everything. and most importantly what he just said in that answer, which is I said this on the pot. Most importantly, he just said, I'm adjusting to this new NBA because since 2022, the NBA actually changed a lot. And I don't know if the average person watching the NBA realizes the shift that has happened in the NBA.

But these shifts happen every so often. And the last shift that happened was due to the way Steph Curry shot the ball and the way Clay Thompson shot the ball. That was the last shift in the NBA. That shift is now shifted. And in turn, you saw Loom like not in the lineup sometimes, because it shifted. And what did he just say?

I'm adjusting to this new NBA and I'm adding to my game, so I'm preparing for that new NBA. because most people can adjust to the new NBA and then they're out in the year, right? And so you're listening to the most professional teammate I've ever had in my life, not NBA, not college, not high school. No, you're the reason I ain't never late, right?

Why is that? First day of my training camp, I'm on crutches. I pull up to practice like 10.30. start at 11. I can't walk. I can't even get on the court. I'm not even rehabbing at the facility. I got to go somewhere else to rehab.

And he come in, sweating, locker room, you just now getting here? I'm like, yeah. Like, I can't do nothing. Be here at 8.30 tomorrow. Like, all right. And ever since then,

I've been there at 8.30 every day. I ain't never late. Just because he told me someone, I guess that's the time I'm supposed to be here. He probably, I don't even know if you remember that, but I was on crutches. So I'm like, why you're tripping?

I can't hear. practice. I can't walk. I can't do anything, but, hey, I'm going to be here at 830. Sit here and watch. That's crazy. I've never heard this story, by the way. Y'all heard it here on the Draymond Green Show presented to you by Hyper Icy and Kavana Looney. And I'm honored to hear that because over the last two years of my career, well, actually, I wasn't late at all this year. I was so embarrassed to be around our team last year when JP was still on the team that I came to everything. Like, I was probably late last season, 20 times.

And I just paid a fine because I was so embarrassed to, like, show my face in a time where it's like, like, before everything starts, that's when everybody, like, shooting the shit and, like, all the conversation. I was so embarrassed to show my face during those times that I would time everything up. Like, if we're on the road, I time it up to, like, the. minute I need to get there. And if the elevator took a little bit longer than they were supposed to, I'd be late. Or if I'm leaving my crib, which is like seven to eight minutes away from the facility,

I time it up to the minute of where I need to arrive. And if the red light right there in front of the giant stadium Oracle Park, if the red light caught me, I'd be two, three minutes late, like, ah. And so one of Steve's rules and she was like, Draymond, don't be late. And I'm never a late guy. I was never late in my career, but last year I couldn't show my face like before. It was just

terrible. And so I was happy to be back on time this year. I'm also happy to hear that because again, the impact that you make on a young guy, and I always, I've talked about this too, some of these teams not having a vet. Like

the importance of a vet on a young player goes way further than their game could ever take them. And to hear that is an honor to me. I'm honored to have my young brother, my little brother, Kvonne, Looney, Toon, y'all don't know that, my man Toon on the show.

I appreciate you, brother. I hope to be your teammate next year, whether that's you with the Warriors, I'm with the Warriors, or we're both with the Warriors. You know, you just never know how these things go. As Toom said, you just don't know. But nonetheless, whether I'm your teammate or not, I love you to death forever.

I appreciate you. I am so proud of the career that you've had nine years in. And three, what is it, two or three hip surgeries in the first, two hip surgeries in the first year and a half of you, career. Like, that's a deaf sentence. That's a bigger death sentence than the word tweeter when I was coming out. That was a deaf sentence.

Two hip surgeries is a deaf sentence. And nine years later, you're still on the same team. You are the fifth most senior player, maybe even less than that now because they didn't have left in the NBA today. And to do that, the way you've had to do it, I got nothing but respect for you. you. I got nothing but love for you. I appreciate you coming on the show. I'm going to continue drinking my

Lobos down here in Cabo, as I've been doing, but I love you to death. I appreciate you. Thank you, my brother. Appreciate it, man. My mom is super excited that I'm on the show. He said, well, you don't get on this show? I said, I don't know. I don't know what ain't on the invite. So I know she's going to be watching

and saying, uh, she'd love you just as much, too. Miss Victoria Luni, we love you to death. We show love you. you. Pops, much love. That's a wrap from this episode of Draymond Green Show. I'm going to take a shot of my Lobos

and I'm going to continue to enjoy my vacation but I love y'all. That's a wrap. Peace.