The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Draymond Green Show - Jeff Teague

Episode Date: July 18, 2024

Jeff Teague joins ‘The Draymond Green Show’ to discuss launching a podcast with Club 520, the Los Angeles Clippers being frontrunners, signing with The Volume, the Atlanta Hawks having four NBA All-Stars with himself, Al Horford, Paul Millsap, and Kyle Korver, playing in the pros with his brother Marquis, crazy James Johnson fighting stories, Jimmy Butler’s infamous practice with the Minnesota Timberwolves, how the Milwaukee Bucks and Giannis Antetokounmpo beat Kevin Durant and the Brooklyn Nets, and much more. 00:00 - Start01:00 - Club 52009:00 - Funny Moe Harkless story17:00 - Signing with The Volume22:00 - Becoming an All-Star31:00 - Joining hometown Pacers37:00 - James Johnson stories43:00 - Jimmy Butler on Timberwolves47:00 - Bucks championship run Produced by: Jackson Safon #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We are here at Resort World in Las Vegas for the NBA Summer League. We got All-Star NBA Champion. But what's starting to feel, which is crazy, even more important, Um, podcaster, Club 520's on, Jeff T, welcome to the Dreman.

Appreciate you having me, man. I've been wanting to come on your show for so long, so I'm excited. I love what you do. Thank you. Appreciate you having me,

but absolutely. I appreciate you coming on. I mean, let's get right into it, man. I think you're doing a rare thing right now that most people don't ever do.

I think it's happened as of recent to Shannon Shart. Okay. Charles Barkley. in a sense, Kenny Smith, where you play a career, all guys who had great careers,

All-Star champion, Chuck Hall of Famer, multiple-time, All-Star, Kenny, champion, where you're almost becoming bigger now. And after basketball, then basketball, and you, like I said, you were an all-star. which is crazy to think.

But what's this journey been like for you and getting into the podcast space with Club 520? And kind of this journey that y'all been on. Number one, I said it on the podcast. I'm a big fan of y'all podcast. To see you with your folks, take them and just start your own thing. And to be where it is today, I think, is special.

So number one, I just want to say I'm a fan. I appreciate it, bro. No, but we just be having a lot of fun. Now the journey's been great. I'm a basketball head from the start, but having fun with my guys and just doing what we do all the time, it's been cool. The attention's been different,

because I was one of those guys who didn't want attention when I played. I just wanted to kind of, like, do my job and go home. But I always been a goofball. I always clown in the locker room. I was a jokester. So just bringing it to the life for everybody else to get to know me and see. It's pretty cool. when you look at the podcast space and what y'all've been able to do,

how far do y'all ultimately hope to take it? Far as we can. We want it to blow up as big as it can. I mean, you coming on the show was a big help. You talking about it before, you even came on the show. It was huge. But we're trying to get as big as we can, and we want to be as big as Shannon Sharper in those guys.

So we're going to continue to keep working, keep grinding. I'm having fun with it. If it's not fun, I'm not going to do it. Right now, it's so fun, and we're enjoying it. Interesting enough, guys. He said, I was a big help today podcast. Their podcast is way bigger than this podcast. Just so y'all know, I know the numbers.

I've seen the numbers. Oh, no. Just so y'all know their podcast is bigger than this podcast. No way, bro. You do it differently, bro. You started off, man, you actually pied after games, and you get real intel on the game. And it's amazing to see you do that. Like, I wouldn't have the confidence to do that.

but you know who you are as a player and as a person, I could never do that. Because I know I'm going to have a bad night. You live with your bad nights. You live with your good nights and you go forward. If I have a bad night, bro, I'm not saying the word. It's over. Like, I'm going home.

I'm not talking to nobody. I'm not doing none of that. And you get on the pod. You own up to if you had a bad night. It's dope, dope to see. No, I appreciate it, bro. But, you know, a part of that for me is, and where it differs from you,

I talk a lot. You know what I'm saying? So I let you know when it's, going good for me. I hate nothing more than the guy that let you know when it's going good but when it's going bad it ain't his fault. You know what I'm saying? When it's going

I much rather and how I approach things is I'd rather throw myself even under the bus even if it went good. I've seen you do that plenty of times. You know what I'm saying? As opposed to like man it's going bad. That ain't on me.

Like no that's when I want to take that. But that's different for you, though, because you're also not throwing it in nobody face when it's going good. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So that's a totally different thing. But, you know, like, I always say to people, I've been able to win championships off

identifying front runners. You know what I'm saying? Like, you go up against certain teams. Who? Name one. When we was playing the Clippers back in the day. Oh, shit. We thought they was front runners.

Now, I've gotten really close with CP, so I take that with a grain of salt, although I'd never thought CP was a frontrunner because he was all... He played the same way all the time. Tough. Physical as hell, smart, fast. If you talk, he's getting into it with you.

I'm glad you said that. People get mad at me when I tell the story about CP talking shit to me. Tell them that he talks shit, please. Absolutely. Thank you. $1.000. I still love you, bro.

It was just you talk shit that day. It's all good, bro. 1,000% talk. Yeah, for sure. And, but a lot of guys on that team, we were walking in our locker room and say, like, those guys are front runners. Like, it's going good for them, it's great.

Yeah, yeah. Once it starts going wrong, everybody crumbled. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? We thought that about quite a few teams we were run up against. Like, you just knew. Houston. We thought Houston was really good. They challenged us. But we thought they

was front runners. And every time you get down to it and it show itself in the most inopportune time. And so that's why like even through our runs, you see guys like flopping like, Steph wouldn't flop. I remember at one point

the flopping was so bad in the NBA. We'd be like, yo, Steph, you got to flop, man, Clay. You got to fly. I got paid off flopping. I can't say nothing. I was stopping on the screen shooting, doing all that stuff. That was me. I said, I got at least six points a game. I know it.

I remember one time it's funny. I did it to Steph. And then he got pissed. He was like, that shit, when he came down, the next plane and didn't. It was like doing all this stuff to the crowd was crying laughing. I was like, I don't care, bro. I'm just trying to get these, I'd be eight points, bro. Did you?

And going through contract situations, I always hear, you know, Sean Livingston. and Andre Godala, David West, they would always say to us, yo, y'all don't know the real NBA. Y'all been here with the Warriors. They come in, obviously, once they get, you see it, they see how the organization.

And they would always tell me, Steph and Clay, like, yo, y'all don't know the NBA? Like, y'all ain't never played in the real NBA. No, y'all didn't, man. Y'all had it good. I played in the real NBA where people, like, I think it was one time you said some of the Mo Harkless why he wasn't shooting threes.

Facts. Yeah. I've been on those teams. Like, when I came into the league, I love Jamal Crawford, but he was in the contract year. I think Marvin Williams just got paid. It was a couple of guys was trying to get money. And that's the first time I heard about, like, stats and stuff.

Like, because when I played in college, you just tried to win. Absolutely. Like, I'm doing whatever I can do to win. But I heard him say, man, Genevibli averaged 14 points. He got 12 million. I'm averaging 18. I'm like, you playing good for it, though, bro. He's like, no, fuck that.

I need the money. I'm like, oh, okay. That's how that works. And then ever since then I was on teams where it was always somebody contract year, contract year. And it made our team weird. The only year we didn't have a contract problem

was the year we won all them games. Wow. Everybody had got paid, and that's the year we were good. And y'all had four all-stars there. That's the year we were good. That's crazy, man. I always, to your point,

the Moe-Harkler story. So we're playing, we're playing, it's the end of the season, and Moore Harklis had a bonus in his contract that if he shot a certain three-point percentage and played a certain amount of games, which he had already played the amount of games,

and a three-point percentage, that he would get like a million-dollar bonus. And so I think it may have been like 35%. Take it with a grain of salt. I don't know the exact number. But call it 35%. And if he had to shoot 35%, he was at like 35.3.

And for the last four or five games of the year, he didn't attempt to three. I wouldn't have either. And so, however, which I get it. Yeah. You heard you the team, but like. You're killing them, by the way. I get it.

I don't get it. I understand. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I understand. However, for me to know that you're doing that, I got to now use that to my advantage. So we meet up with them in the playoffs right after he's doing that. And I say to him right away,

you're going to shoot tonight because you got your bonus now or you're still scared to shoot? Hey, he's scared to shoot, fellas. He don't want to shoot tonight. He's still worried about his bonus. That's a fact. It play a row.

He tanked the rest of the series. He tanked. Oh, you can't do that. You got the buddy. You got a hoot. He tinked. And by the way, I love Moe Harclis. We came in the same draft, man.

Like, love what he was able to do with his career. But it was situations like that that for me, as someone who like to play mind games and like got to try to get under somebody skin. He gave him a layup. I'm like,

yo, you don't want to shoot. It's crazy. But you got to understand though. Like, that's why David Weston them said y'all ain't been on a real NBA. Y'all always been in situations where like, I'm going to get that. Like, not you because you came in as a second round pick.

But when you got there and you solidified yourself, he's basically been almost a max player every time. So guys like me or guys who, you know, had to kind of like get their contract and they need those bonuses, I understand where they're coming from, but as a player hooping, I couldn't have done that.

Like I got a hoop. Yeah, I'm just going to hoop. But in the back of my mind, I would have been pissed. I missed that million. And we were sad. Oh, man, I was going to hurt. I was going to hurt.

Here's the thing, though. I struggled with shooting for a couple year, two, three year span in my career because I lost confidence in it. I got totally lost confidence in my shot. And so I struggle with it a bit. I still

don't know if my mind would process like, you know, you can't shoot because your percentage is about to drop. That's crazy. No, you're a hooper though. And you like to win, but you come from a winning. Y'all Michigan State, you're a winner. Yeah. You've been in winter environments. Like, you ain't never really been around

losing. Like, we, I've been around I'm losing before. And you start looking at stuff a little different, like, all right, we're about to win 20 games this year. I need my bonus. So I get where Mo at with it, but as a hooper, you can't do that, especially if you was a playoff team. No, that's a fact.

That's a fact. Along the lines of podcast, and you actually just did it a little bit here. How did you figure out? Because you have a skill that I'm not sure I've seen really anybody else do. you have this skill in the way about you, talking about yourself, talking about your career, in the way that I've never seen anyone do before. And I guess my question is,

how the hell do you remember all these stories? Like, are these stories that amongst you and the guys that you shared before, and they're like, yo, you remember this. You just remember all these stories. Like, how did you come up on that? I remember everything. I'm not going to lie.

I can tell you stuff when I was four years old. But it really happened because my wife, we were at home one day and she was like, we were doing a podcast. And we joke around all the time. She was like, nobody wants to hear about what y'all did up the street. She was like, nobody care about you going upstairs and having a drink with your friends. Tell us something about the NBA. And I was like, like what? She was like, she was watching the game.

She liked basketball. She was like, Jimmy Butler out of her playing with, I don't even know these white dudes. And I'm like, I'm like, what? She was like, that's how he did y'all. practice, right? I looked at her and I said, what? She said, go tell that story. And I swear, I called him.

I was like, let's do a podcast. We went down there. I was like, Jimmy is literally playing with, that's when, what's my guy named that play in Cleveland now? Max Trues. He was just starting to come on or whatever. And I'm like, yeah, that reminds me of practice.

I got to tell this story. And it was just like perfect time. And after that, it just kind of caught away. Because I told stories before, but after that, it just became a thing. And I was like, man, let me tell them. about my experience in the NBA. There's always a great woman behind all the greatness, man.

So always a great woman behind the great things to come. No, she literally did that. So, and the way you talk about, you talk about your career as if you won Jeff T. I don't take it, I don't take it seriously. I don't take it all for, like, it's love. Like, I hooped. It was something I love to do. and it was like something I would do for free.

So I don't take it too serious. Like everybody else would be like, man, I'm a eight-time champion. I did this. I'll be like, shit, okay. And then what? Like off the court, who are you? It don't really matter when you're in a real world, like, that you hooped. So I don't take it too serious, real.

That's a fact. And speaking of the business side of the podcast, you was just telling the story. But when you went to bought your first cameras to record the podcast. Yeah, I bought a $1,000 camera because my guy, Mike, was like, we're not spending all that money

on something that you're not even good at. And now he's a producer. So his cameras is weak. No, but it's all good, man. Like, this is just the best stuff, though. Like, talking to you, get the chill. I love this. It's like locker room talking about it.

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I agree. For me, I enjoy when I enjoy when I have a guess on. Obviously, I do a lot of shows by myself. I don't know how you do that either. Well, it's an interesting thing. That's amazing. And I bet you can do it because all it is is this. You're essentially, you kind of have to play the role of two people.

Like, so you got your opinion, right? And in order for me to get you to understand it, I also have to give you the opinion of the other side so you can kind of compare it to it. I can't just be like, oh, I think X, Y, and Z and then move on. That's not a conversation. No, it's not. And so for me,

when I'm on by myself, one of the things that I just start doing and trying to figure out is like, let me have a conversation with myself. All right, I think this. But if I think this, there's probably somebody that think this. So I'm going to talk about this side too. And then ultimately, I'll get to a space of like, nah, but this

is what it is. But that's kind of like low-key, crazy. You're having a conversation with yourself, bro. But now, I do that too, but don't worry about it. Nah, it's crazy that you can do that, bro. Like, I cannot do that. Like we was talking about it before I came

on here. I'm like, I ain't never did a podcast. I don't even know how this is going to work. When I do a podcast, I'm with the guys. And I can bounce ideas off of them. If you talking to us, I can defer the question to DJ. Like, get that one, DJ. So this is cool. It's a cool experience. But like, talking to myself, I tried

to stream a game one time of video game. I said, nah, bro. I ain't built for this. People in the chat, like, you have to talk to the chat. I'm looking. Ah, nah, I'm cool. So what you do is amazing, bro. Thank you. I appreciate it.

And staying on the business side of the podcast, you, like I said, you started with your own cameras. And then now, fast forward to where we are today, y'all ultimately decide to partner with the volume. For sure. How did that partnership come about? Man, it was so weird. It was a lot of companies and people reaching out wanting to sign us

and trying to work with us. And it was crazy. We got a call randomly. I got a call. This guy called Jamie. and was like, yo, we need you.

And I'm like, need me for what? He was like, we want you on club, we want club five to them. We want everything about you guys. We love it. We want to be,

we want you to partner with us. And I was like, who is it? He's like, the value. He was like with Colin, Shannon, Shannon just came over here.

And it was like, right when Shannon had just signed and we came over, it was just like a perfect mix. They believed in us. They didn't want to change anything about the show. They wanted us to be ourselves.

I'm like, yo, we use some crazy language. He was like, yeah, we like that. And I'm like, okay. And everybody else was kind of trying to change the show a little bit.

They wanted to be a little more, how can I say it, politically correct, I guess. And the volume was just like, no, we like it raw and edgy how you guys are. So that made us really comfortable. And that's why we sang with them. I think it's dope, man. I've been with the volume known for three years, I think. And one thing I've appreciated is the opportunity to create and create. and create what I think is right,

but then having that team to kind of turn back to and say, all right, this is what I'm doing, this is what, you know, Jackson, my producer, this is what we're doing, but now what do y'all see or what, what's working, what isn't working? And they're like, all right, well, this is working. Not going to tell you to get rid of this because that's your thing.

But you see these things, these things work a little more, this thing may work a little less, and kind of having that collaboration, Having that collaboration, but in the same token, the collaboration is still, but it's you, it's your show, you're doing the show, we're your partner, but we signed up to be your partner because we liked you, and who you were, not because we wanted to then make you who we are.

Yeah, yeah, they let you rock, really. That's why I like them too. But, and you, once again, you played a big role for me, like our group going there because I'm like, damn, Draymond, do this shit after games. They really let him rock. Like, being in the NBA, you know how it goes. Like, you don't supposed to say too much.

You got to talk to the media here and there. And then the media guy comes to you and like, oh, you can talk to this guy. You can't talk to this person, whatever. And I'm like, he's doing this after the game. He don't care what nobody's saying. He got his own thing going. I'm like, if they let them do that and they're helping him,

I can only imagine what they're going to do for us. So it was big. Yeah, he played a role in that, too. No, no doubt. I'm happy y'all came over, bro. It's super dope to see. I think, you know, and watching what it's been built into over the last three years, it's night and day.

And for me, like, I was just talking about y'all podcasts being bigger. I absolutely love that because the way I look at it and the way it works is, a high tide raises all boats. For sure. You know what I'm saying? You raise the tide. We all go. I do something good, we all benefit.

I think that's what I like about it. You know, it's a home for all of us. And ultimately, the more success you have and DJ and Mike, the more success I have. The more success I have, the more success you have. And I think it's a beautiful thing. So really, really happy that y'all came over because the audience that y'all bring also,

it's a different audience. You know what I'm saying? It's an audience that, like, You got the Draymond Green show. It's more about basketball. Like, it's an audience that is driven by basketball, but also there's kind of a comedy spin on what y'all do as well. And then more importantly, there's a realness.

And so you get that group of, like, people seeking the real stuff. And I always have an appreciation for that. I appreciate that, bro. But as a podcast and myself, enough about podcasts. I want to talk about your career. Because for me, for you to become an all-star at a time where the point guard position

was probably deep as it's ever been in the NBA. You're talking Steph, Russ, Dane, Kyle Lari, John Wall, man, Chris Paul. Rondo. Rondo. A bunch of people. At a time, where the point, and by the way, I'm sure we're missing seven names that.

Kimba. Like, at a time where the point guard position was as deep as it's ever been, you became an all-star. Yeah. What was that experience like for you? Did you believe, like, before you became an all-star, did you believe that you were that caliber player? And then, if so, what was it like to then actually become an all-star?

once you got the nod. Nah, I told one of my best friends named Lou back home, it was maybe in like two or three years before that I was going to make the All-Star game in New York. He was like, what? I was like, yeah, I'm going to write it down.

I'm going to make the All-Star game in New York, and I'm going to shake Jay Z. Hand at Halfcourt. And all that happened, by the way. So I was hyped. Like, I knew I was going to make it in New York. I had no question. Like, I knew. I already had that in my head.

The problem is I ain't make no more goals after that. That's where it got spooky. I ain't write Doug Dulls after that. No, I knew I was going to make it then, but I knew I was going in the right way. Like, every year I was getting better and better. And then Coach Bud came, and I had a score mindset. Like, I want to score.

I want to average 20 points. That was my goal, to average 20 points. And he came to me, and he was like, you'll be an all-star if you average 16 and 8, and we win 50 games. I believed him, and it happened. And I hold him at a certain standard as a coach because he's unbelievable.

But I just knew I was going to make it the year. I don't know how I did it. I don't know. I just knew. And it happened and it was cool. That year, y'all won a bunch of games. Got four all-stars in. But the people want to know.

Yeah. So I must ask. Should there have only been three, though? I ain't going to lie. Kyle was the main, like, he was so much of a focal point. Our team made all of our jobs so much easier. I got to go to my right hand anytime I wanted to because Kyle was sitting in that corner, you couldn't leave him.

So I was walking to the basket. So I'm not going to say he shouldn't have been an all-star. But his numbers and stuff like that, I mean, whatever. But we knew how much he meant to our team. He was definitely probably the MVP of our team because he did all the little stuff, and he made defenses change. Kyle was on the floor. You had to account for him.

Like, he was almost like the go-to player for us. Like, people had to take him out the game because we ran our flow offense. And it was based off him shooting threes. and when he wasn't making threes, we were tough. We were like, we was in a tough situation. When he made threes,

we would score 130 points. So, I don't know. I mean, people say a lot of times he shouldn't have made it, but I was happy he made it. He was one of my favorite teammates. It's interesting because when I think back to playing against those teams,

to your point, a bunch of y'all sets were him coming off, flying off downstream. Yeah, yeah. You get slips. Yep. You get, you know, guys completely fucking up the matchups. For sure.

And if not, he coming off Dodd and I, as someone who averaged eight points that made an all-star game, you're not going to get me to sit here and say his numbers wasn't right. But he shouldn't have made it. You know, port in part, bro. I tell everybody when we used to play y'all, I hated playing y'all because maybe like back off of Draymond. But then you can pass and you see the whole floor.

But then you'll go dribble hand off with step and then I don't got nobody to help up with me. And it's like, you know, that's good. Same thing with Clay. And I'm like, y'all understand what this man is doing. He's the point guard. Hey, he really the point guard. He getting a rebound pushing the ball.

And y'all telling me to chase stuff around, this is the point guard. So I'm yelling at Paul of them, like, guard him like y'all guard me. Get up. And they're like, no, no, we got to back up. He ain't going to shoot it. Man, I'm like, y'all are tripping. He's Rondo. This is Rondo.

He's just a taller Rondo. But it's part of the game. A lot of teams did it. A lot of teams do it. And I absolutely love when teams do it. He'd be tripping, bro. All right. Oh, you're just going to let me sit here in this pocket and pick you apart.

He tripping. Kenny Agasson, you know, you know, Kenny. Yes. He was the first one me and him talked about it for hours. Like, Kenny is a great basketball mom. Yes, he is. And me and him, he's like, you got to get up on Dreemont. You got to get up on Rondo.

You cannot let them sit back there like Tom Brady. They're going to pick you apart. But nobody will listen to him. I believe. I'm like, Kenny was my guy, so I'm like, Kenny, you're right. I'm watching tape. You got to get up on him. I was like, and you dang near got to switch.

You got to make Dreyman score. Like, you got to make him get 25. And you got the ability. I remember real time we played you. You was killing. I was pissed. And you was talking so much. He like, yeah, motherfucker.

We kept, we just doubling the ball. You was getting in the pocket. You was making floater, throwing lives, the bogging and shit. I'm like, I'm like, I mean, fuck it. I'm like, man, I hate this. dude, man. He was like, yeah, you better get out of that. That shit ain't going to work tonight.

But, hey, that's what you did, bro. You're unbelievable. No, I appreciate it, bro. I'll never forget my first basket in the NBA. My first field goal I made was against y'all. I got the tech, smooth, stood under the rail, and was like, I came off the down screen, I caught it at the top of the key.

He stood under there. I hit the three. Like, yeah, you better get your ass out. Tech. First basket in the NBA. Been the story of my career ever since, man. That's legendary story, though. For sure.

For sure. So I'm definitely rocking with that. But Al Horford, a teammate of yours, just got his first championship. So happy for him. Definitely. So happy for him.

Like, what were those feelings in watching? I know. Me and Al kind of had a thing in our finals. I don't know how he feel about it. I don't take nothing personal. Maybe he do. I really don't give a shit. I love that about it.

Like, he may fucking hate me. I don't really care. But a lot of people, including me, are happy as hell for him. What was that like for you? Somebody who kind of started him on that trajectory with those teams that y'all had, but it wasn't able to get over the hump in year 17. He finally gets it done. What was so happy for Big Al, man?

Because I know how hard he worked. and I know how bad he wanted to win a championship. He always would talk about winning in Florida, winning back-to-back championships. And he was like, man, I used to make a joke. Like, when we win in Atlanta, I'm going to be on a Magic City float. And he used to be like, only you would say that. Only you would say that.

He's like, let's just win and just get on a float. Why have it to be Magic City? And I'm like, yeah, I'm going to be on that Magic City float. You know how it's going. I'm going to have $1,000. And each everybody here, I'm just telling this crazy story. And he would be like, I want the championship so bad. So to see him win and to see his mom.

his wife, his kids, his brother, his dad, they're all there, his sister. I'm like, yeah, I know that meant a world to him. And the dude in Boston, because he left Atlanta to go to Boston for a championship. And to have that happen for him, I was like, yeah. No doubt. I'm hype for you, bro. Absolutely. In our careers, I always say we all play to get replaced, coach to get fired,

general managers, create teams to get fired. That's just the business that. We get older. Our talents deteriorate. I'm kind of headed towards that path now. What was it like for you where I thought at the time you was still at the top of your game, like still playing at an elite level and then for a team to move on and kind of go with Schroeder after all that you have been doing in that organization?

Yeah, so that year was a tough year because I had, um, I had a tear in my ptella the whole year. So I'm doing, I had to do PRP injection and all this stuff after the season. And I was just kind of upset because I wanted an extension. Like I had just made the All-Star year, a year before. And we had a pretty decent year that year.

I had shot like 40 something from the three in my first time of my career. And I was like 16. So I just wanted to extension. I didn't want nothing crazy. I just wanted to stay in Atlanta. And they kind of like, yeah, we don't know. And I was like, okay, that says a lot.

So I was like, what do I want to do with me? And it was like, what do you want to? to do. I was like, I never had somebody ask me that. And I was like, well, if y'all asking me, I mean, y'all want me to do, make a decision. You don't want me here no more? And Coach Bell was like, I do, but the GM, they might want to go a different way. And it kind of threw me off. So I was like, all right, well, I did a lot for the city. Where are y'all going trade me? And he was like, Philly. And I was out of nowhere. I was like, Philly. Y'all really going to trade me? I was hurt. Then Coach Bell was, I can't do you like that. Where you want to go?

and I was literally sitting on my porch in my house in Indiana with my brother and I was like, I want to play for the Pacers. He was all right. I got you. I'm going to trade you to the Pacers. I'm going to call him and we're going to figure out how to get you to the Pacers.

He was like, that's what my favorite I'm going to do for you. He was like, I hope you sign an extension there. I hope you stay there for a long time. I love you, man. I'm going to do that for you. And he traded me to the Pacers. Wow. Yeah.

Wow. So you got a lot of love for him. I love Coach Bud, bro, because he didn't have to do that. He could have traded me to Philly. And that's when Philly was down, bad. He was just like, oh, we want to get a draft pick or something. Then he was like, me, you did too much for me.

I mean, I just got paid $25 million. He was like, you deserve to get paid, but I don't really control that. But he was running the team, but he was like the owner and assistant GM, they really want to go with somebody younger. He was like, but I'm going to trade you to the Pacers. That's fire. Yeah. So I appreciated that because I was at the crib.

Now it's the funest year I ever played playing basketball. I was just about to ask you, like, what was that like going home to play, having all your guys there, all your family there. For most people, that can be a distraction. What was it like for you? See, my family, they don't, we don't really take, like, the NBA too serious. Like, it's like, all right, you're playing the NBA, but you just little Jeff. You're nacho.

You, bro, you, that's you. They call you nacho? Yeah. Why? I can't really say on camera, bro. I tell you what day, bro. But, uh, they call me that at the crib, but. When I was at home, everybody just treat me like that.

Like, when I go places, I go to the hole in the wall, bro. And I don't got to worry about nobody trying to. I'll tell you, what up, bro? It's just like Jeff, bro. It's different. I don't know if you feel like that when you go home. I do. I think the same way.

Like, I don't go home much. I'm from Saginaw. Yeah, yeah. In Indianapolis, although it ain't 100 greater NBA cities. It's definitely not. I mean, hey, it's a better city in Saginaw. So I don't go home a bunch, but when I do, it's the same thing. Like, the people that I've known my whole life, I'm still just dayday.

Yeah, yeah. Like, that's just what it is. And I'm never going to approach it like anything other than that. Like, you should look at me different or you should, like, I am just dayday. By the way, I actually appreciate that way more. Yeah, that's what I love too. Absolutely. Like going home and people like be him one of the guys on the podcast,

he has a brunch that he does once a month. And I go, people just like, dude, what's happening? Well, I know you're going to be here on Sunday. Like, they know, I'm coming. Like, they don't even think I play basketball. They don't even look at it like that, bro. It's just like, it's just Jeff. Like, I don't have got no chains.

I don't got no jury. I never, I got one watch. My mom bought me. I never wore it. I don't do, I drive a pickup truck. Like, I don't know. I'm just trying to be normal as possible. and I don't really trying to do anything too much out of the norm.

And I think people appreciate that back home. So they just kind of treat me like one of the guys. Neighborhood hero. I don't even say that. Just one of the guys, bro. Just one of the guys. No doubt. What was it like for you being in the NBA?

Obviously, we grow up with these dreams of making it to the NBA. We share these dreams with our siblings. I had a brother who's two years older than me. He never made it to the NBA. NBA, but that was a dream that we shared together. I can only imagine that was a dream that you and Mark shared together, by the way, that nigger

took my drive spot, and I ain't never forgetting that. So you make sure you let him know, I still feel away. I'll go, I got nothing but love for him. I guarantee he would trade you spots right now. He took my spot and it's cool and I had to go

second round, it worked out, but ah, I could have been in Chicago right near the crib, I had go all the way to Cali, address to a new way of life that I felt like I was in Istanbul or something. I was so far away from home.

Home sick. So you just let him know he ruined my life for the first two years of my career. But it's cool. But what was that like when you saw him ultimately become a first round pick

and you're already in the NBA? Oh man, that was an unbelievable feeling. Like, we knew he was going to the NBA. I mean, he was number one player. all that stuff since he was seventh grade. So I knew he was going to NBA, but it was just still a moment where it was like, damn, man, your dream really came true

because my dream wasn't the NBA. Really? I mean, you know, as a little kid, I want to make it to the NBA, but when I start getting older, I started realizing, like, I played against Eric Gordon in high school. I'm like, okay, that's like an NBA player. I'm probably not an NBA player.

He got 30, I got 30, but his 30 a little easier than my 30. And then, like, when I went to college, I went to Wake Forest, we weren't that good. And I seen James Johnson, I'm like, that's an NBA player. Probably not an NBA player. So I started putting real goals together, like, or I'm going to graduate from weight. I'm going to probably play five years overseas.

I'm going to try to save up like $3 million if I can as long as I can play. And I'm going to go back to my high school, be the coach. Probably teach a little bit and just live off the three, you know, make a couple hundred, like $100,000 or two, whatever, hopefully being a teacher and a coach and doing some other stuff in business. and then just live, have a family, have some kids. All this, never in a thousand years what I thought this would happen. Do you still want to be a high school coach?

I am a high school coach. You coached the high school now. Yeah, I did it. Yeah, I coach. I'm the head coached at Pike High School. Really? Yep. Y'all weak?

We was last year. We ain't going to be this year, though. We was last year. We was weak. But we're going to be better next year, though. Are y'all able to recruit players down there or no? Nope. Can't recruit.

No, so you got to live in the neighborhood. They just opened up where it's like to open the school gates, whatever you want to call it, where we can like get guys from different neighborhoods. Open and roving. Yeah, but barely at Pike. Not really, barely. You got to kind of be kind of recruited, I guess you can say,

suggested to go here or whatever, but it's getting better. But we got a really good team. We got some young guys who are actually really talented. We got some guys with Michigan State looking at. So, yeah, all right. That's fine. Yeah, we're all right. Speaking of James Johnson, probably the most fear of man in the NBA.

Definitely. I've seen him in action for real, so. I was just by saying, have you ever seen him get at somebody? Yeah, I've seen him. So that's why when people would be like, oh, it's a story. Is it, bro, I've seen this in real life. Y'all do not want that, bro. I tell everybody I see him knockout three dudes at one time,

and I seen him knockout seven-footer. I haven't seen it all. like he's not nothing to play with bro and he get into a kickboxing stance so like you know you're about to fight somebody you square up he he pulling his pants up kickboxing style like I'm like nah

and I remember one time I told him like I don't care you're going to have to show me that whole day in practice bro I was sitting there thinking like if this dude really showed me I ain't gonna make it home bro I'm gonna have to

I'm gonna do something different bro I'm going to go to the store and get something because this ain't going to work. His hands is different, bro. That's hilarious, man. Are y'all still close today? I know he and he been in with the Pacers last few years.

I don't see him as much because, you know, you know how the NBA is. I'm chilling. He's moving around, but that's my God. When I see him, it's my brother, bro. We did so much in school and been together, man. He's the nicest dude in the world. He'd give you a shirt off his back

and how you treat people is unbelievable. But when he turned on that switch to be the black belt, James Johnson, bro, nobody wants that, bro. And I've seen videos of his whole family, his whole family black builds. Really?

From the pops, his mom, she's some more. Like, their whole family is lethal. Okay, this is all starting to make sense now. So his whole family, I think he's got like, it's like six of them, right? Brothers. He got videos, his dad, beating his legs, like wood to kill

like what they got their feet up six inches beating his legs with wood so when you see James his legs is massive and super strong but it's for kickboxing so no he's different bro yeah somebody trying bro I'm telling you y'all I'm just somebody trying

y'all see bro it's crazy what is also crazy is what he does for that team no one will ever know and I know what he does for the team because playing against them young dudes

the demeanor they carry is almost as such a like y'all ain't going to do nothing and it's as such like if you know you know why big bro right there

absolutely so they out there they just playing free as hell and ultimately knowing like ain't nobody going to mess with us. Yeah. And it allows them to just ball. It allows them to just play free, which is their style, which is their brand of basketball. And when they didn't bring him in initially last year, I was like, they don't have a enforcer.

Yeah. It's going to look a lot different. I'm not sure. I probably should know. I don't know who the hell is the general manager of the Indiana Pacers. Pritcher. Oh, he's still there? Yeah, KP still there.

Wow. I didn't know he was still there. Okay. Kevin Pritchard, I did not know he was still there. He realized really quick, we should get him back in here. That Milwaukee situation, they said, yeah, got to bring JJ back, for sure. But that's how I was in college, bro. Our freshman year, they kept calling me Mike Connolly when I came to Wake Forest, the football players.

And they used to, it would piss me off. He's like, yo, they're like, Mike Connolly, what's up? And I'm like, bro, don't call me Mike Connolly, bro. And JJ, we ain't really know each other yet. He was like, you calling Mike Connolly again. I'm going to knock you out. But didn't nobody know who. that he had this kickboxing resume.

And we like, I'm like, damn, bro, right on? He's like, nah, bro, I'm tired to hear him say that, bro. He said it again, I'm knocking him out. You know, football players. Like, well, show me. James, like, come on. Football players, like, we're just talking shit, bro. He's cool, bro.

And then somebody told him, like, one of the coaches was like, hey, bro, leave him alone. He's not who y'all think he is. And everybody, like, what do he do? And the coaches started telling him, like, bro, he had kickboxing. And so we didn't know either. So we had a meeting as a team. This dude had a.

kickboxing match set up while we're in college. No, this is real true. The true story. Yeah, I told y'all plenty of time. The coach has to sit us down and tell us like, yo, are you going to be a kickboxer or a basketball player? He's like, I need some money. He's like, damn. Oh, you're about to go fight or money?

I'm like, oh, I'm not fucking with this dude. Hey, you're different, bro. I'm like, you're about to really go fight? He's like, yeah, I think he was like 10 and 0 or something. He had a record already. He was just like, yeah, I'm like 10 and 0 in kickboxing. I need some extra money around here. He had a match set up, bro.

He chose basketball, though. But it's crazy. And was what, the fourth pick in the drive? The sixth pick in the drive? He went 16. 16. He went 19. He went 16, yeah.

And he wanted the kickbox. I'm telling you. That's what he said he was going to do when he retired. It's a much better life being a basketball player. Oh, way better. He won't kickbox. He said that through he retired. He's going to be a kickboxing.

He going to go back. You only see him talk crazy to John Jones? I know he's not doing that. But John Jones is different. Yeah. Jay, J. I love you to death. home, listen, I don't know

that's a different world. I don't want no smoke with either one of y'all, but he said he wanted to fight John Jones. I'm like, all right. That's crazy. Yeah. I'm cool on that, too. I'm cool, bro. I'm cool, bro. I've heard you talk about the

Minnesota Timberwell practice with Jimmy. Yeah. Where Jimmy kind of called out everybody. You just kind of mentioned it in the sense that he took guys and beat everybody. Yeah. Was there always tension?

Like, that day is infamous, and everybody knows about that day. But, like, the guys in the locker room are still the same guys. Was there always that type of tension amongst that group because, I mean, let's just face it, some guys are a little softer than others. Now, it wasn't that. Like, it really was based off a Jimmy wanted to be paid. That's where it came from. Like, it wasn't about CAD.

about Whig. It wasn't about me, Tage, D. Rose, none of that. It was about him getting paid. And when he came here, Tibbs told him, like, yo, we're going to take care of you. So he was like, I never forget, Jimmy called me. It was like, yo, come to Minnesota. And I'm like, all right, he got Tash to come. All right, we come to Minnesota. Jamal to come. We're all coming. He's like, we're going to win, bro. He was like, we're going to be a top five city in the West. We're going to win. We're going to shock the world. People don't believe me. He was like, I'm that good. I was like, damn, Jim, I'm good, too. Like, you know what I mean? He's like, no, I'm that good, bro.

I'm going to change this whole thing around. Damn, we forgot about Cat and Whigs. We weren't even thinking about them until we got to practice, and I've seen Cat, and I'm like, hey, he the best player on the team. And Jimmy, like, he's the best one. Then I'm like, Whig, dynamic, too. He was like, Cat going to average 25,

wig going to average 20-something. I'm going to average, like, 18. He was like, you're going to get your 14, ties, going to get his 12, 13, whatever. He was like, but then they're going to be the money focal point. I'm going to do all the little things. I'm like, cool. First two games of the season, we weren't looking

that good. Jimmy coming in the locker. He was like, fuck this, kid. I got to be me. I got to take over this whole thing. He started killing. We go on this run. We start winning games. And he just started like, they ain't the ones. Like, they don't got it. And I'm like, damn, Jimmy, they got it. Like,

they ain't got it. They don't believe. Like, we believe, they used to losing. I don't know how to lose. I ain't used to losing. They used to losing. And he just started being him. And the whole thing changed. We started believing in him. But, you know, when somebody got that kind of, Willpower.

Some guys can't handle that. Like, I'm all in because it wasn't bothering me. Like, shit, all right, dude, you're the star. Right. I'm gonna follow you. You're the star. But Kat was still young. You know, wig.

You play with wig. Wig ain't tripping. At all. Not one bit. He's looking at me. I like Jimmy. So Jimmy heard that and was like, I'm rocking with wig too. But Kat, he liked Jimmy.

But the way he used to talk to people, Cat just really couldn't handle it. Jimmy get hurt. we went from three to the eighth seat, like fighting to get in the playoffs. Jimmy realized that. Jimmy came back for like three games. We get in the playoffs.

When we losing the first round, whatever, Jimmy was still hurt. That summer, Jimmy, like, y'all see when I'm out what the team look like. When I'm in, what we look like. Take care of me. I want to get paid right now. But it was cat turn to get the extension.

We like, it's just cat turn, bro. Your turn next. He's like, nah. My turn now. Like, Tibbs calling me, like, he just touched you. Jimmy we're going to play him next year. Jimmy said, no.

Now. Or Trayton. She said, tips like, I can't do it. I was like, paying tips. Tips I can't do it. I literally can't do it. Jimmy is out. We have a meeting.

I'm like, Jimmy, please, I'm calling. I don't even know why I was calling him. Because I didn't even care. This is just B, B, B, B, I didn't care. I'm like, Jimmy, if you want to leave, you go leave. I just signed it. I'm mad you brought me here because I could have. state of Indiana.

But if you go leave, leave, bro. All right. We're going to hoop regardless. I love you to death, but I can't be begging on man to stay somewhere. I don't care that much.

He's like, yeah, I'm out to you. I'm like, all right. We have a meeting. Tage, like, no, Jim, you can't do that to me. He was, I'm going to have a meeting.

If anybody, this is how Jimmy was talking to us. Jim, boy, you got me best up, man. He said, anybody tell anybody anybody about this meeting. I'm out. I bust out laughing.

Like, bro, all right. We lead a meeting, bro. literally Jimmy tweets I'm out and we like from what

nobody said nothing like he's having a meeting where he's doing the show with Rachel Nichols bro he's about him Jimmy you crazy but I love Jimmy though he's crazy

but it was just money I can dig that before we get out of here I'd be remiss if I didn't talk about the championship ah man you don't got to talk about that no I got some things that I want to know as well.

But, and also, as an NBA champion, I must talk about that because I, there's a certain level of respect that comes from me for champions. I feel that. Because that shit is hard to do. It is. And it is hard whether you are the first option or whether you are the 15th man.

For sure. It is extremely hard for that shit to come together and to win a championship. A lot of luck. And a lot of love. A lot of luck. And people don't take that into account. I have a huge appreciation for people that win a championship and a huge respect because also,

you also create your luck too. You know what I'm saying? And so you go to Milwaukee, reunited with Coach Bud. Yep. What was it like with that team? Did you guys, like, believe initially, like, yo, we got a championship team. It kind of had to come together. What was it like?

then going to play Coach Bud, Yannis, Chris, Drew, and ultimately winning championship with the Bucks. So I started that year off with Boston, and that's when I met J.T. Jason Tennis, that's my guy. That's one of my good friends, him, J.B., and all those guys. And I thought that was like a championship team. I'm like, I'm going to Boston.

And I started off the season playing pretty good there. And I'm like, yeah, this is a team I think we can win. Kimball was out, though. So Kimball was hurt for a little bit. And when Kimba came back, you know, the chemistry was trying to get everybody going. we just couldn't figure it out. And they was like,

we're about to make a trade. And they was like, you can stay, but we don't think you're going to play as much of your plan. I was like, ah, well,

shit, I'm going to leave. And they was like, you can go wherever you want to go. We'll put you on. We're going to trade you. And John Hammond, good guy,

a guy I know for a long time. He was like, they're going to trade. We're going to trade you to the magic. He was like, I'll wave you unless you want to be here. He was like, you can sign back here as a vet.

You're not going to play, though. And I was like, so you can go wherever and coach bud called me immediate like come here you're gonna play which i ain't play that much coach bud lied to me but it's all good and then t t tah lu called me it was like coming to the clippers bro we play everybody like we didn't brought reggie jackson back to life we bring people back to life like if you want to play come play here coach bud called me again like we're gonna win the championship i'm a rock with bud man i know bud go there good year we you can tell we had something

but I didn't know if we had championship I've never been on a championship team so I don't know what that feels like I just know we were a good team we end up playing when I hurt my knee so I have hurt my knee I get in my eye

and tell me I need micro fracture surgery I'm like oh snap it's over with so now I'm in like yeah I'm like all right I'm in coach mode now so now I'm going to coach bud office talking you know PJ Tucker my dog so he complaining about every play

Like, I don't get the ball. I'm like, man, y'all is on your team, you're not getting the ball, bro. Go to the corner. Also, what you're going to do with a tub? Dribble handoff. Listen, go to the quarter, tuck. You're my dog, but look, go to the quarter.

So, Ville, he was joking every day. And Coach Bow's like, I think we're going to win the championship. He kept saying that to me. We start playing K.D., Kyrie. I mean, Katie, James Horan, Kai Ree. The first game, we get beat by, like, 40. I go to his office like, coach. I don't think we're about doing the championship.

And he felt like he was about to get fired. I'd never forget that. He like, he being real with me, he kind of like felt like it was like over. Like, you know, his room was over in Milwaukee. And he like, I'm low key. I'm like, man, I think the Pacers are going to hire you. Like they're in, I'm trying to like, I'm setting myself because I know I live in Indiana. So I'm like, if the Pacers hire you, like, you're going to sign me.

Like, I want to be a coach. And he like, what, what? I'm not even thinking about that right now, but I knew he was. Then we got beat by 50. In the second game, we get blasted by like 55. Like, it's crazy. Like, it's not even close. We're like, we don't stand a chance.

Kyle re-rose his ankle, third game. And you can see like the light switch hit. Like, oh, we can beat them now. And Janus stepped up, Chris, Drew. They all started just playing phenomenal. And now we knew we get past them. We was winning championship. And we got past them.

We ended up winning. K.D. had his toe on the line. Yeah. We end up getting there. After that, I knew we was winning championship. Like, the Hawks, I came back. They let me play. I started rehabbing my knee.

They was like, we're going to let you play against the Hawks. I had a little moment. I hit some threes. I'm talking crazy to the Hawks. They booed me. I'm like, damn, I'm getting booed in Atlanta. I ain't never thought that would happen. But it was a cool run.

So I know what you say, I was fielded. Like, you know, the championship run was special. But I guess just for me, I always, like, imagine, like, damn, I was in the game. And I threw a pass to the corner or something good happened while I was in there. And it just didn't happen in the championship series. But it definitely took a team effort, though. No, it does for sure. I had this conversation with Matt Barnes before.

Because what I'm picking up from you, you kind of feel like him. Yeah. Which is as a true Hooper like Matt is, as a real one like Matt is. You're like, yeah, but I ain't really give to it what I know I would have liked to give to it. And that's it rather. Yeah. I hear you. That's a rough.

You've been. It's different. for you, bro. You've been like in that moment. You've been a guy. Like, you, you were one of them guys. So, like, championships were won and lost of stuff you did. You know what I'm saying? Like, I was going to the gap in the finals, bro. I didn't have insoles in, bro. Like, I knew I wasn't getting in the game, bro. Like, I was had on the, I'm wearing the freshest Kobe's. I'm, he's going back home. Like, it's not, I know I'm not getting in. And, like, that's a different feeling than like, you know,

like I'm looking at the scout report. I'm in coaches mode, really. I'm looking at the scoward report. I'm helping Drew. But Drew, you don't really need my help. You know the scound report good as me. Like, I ain't doing nothing. I'm just making y'all laugh, bro, on a plane at this point.

Which matters. It did. And it matters because it gets so thick and like uptight that if somebody is making us laugh, the benefit that they have on the team keeps us loose, it matters. Matter of fact, you're right. Because T.A. Janice, brother, when we went down O2, he had COVID.

So he couldn't come to the plane. That's why we went down O2. Yannis was messed up. Like him and his brother, bro, they got some different kind of connection. He can't function or play if he don't see his brother. I'm being for real. It's not even different, bro. He was like, where T.A. at?

We're T. We in the middle of the game? I'm like, bro, we're in the finals, bro. Play. Like, we're T.A. We're T.A. So, T.A. make this magical, like, COVID recovery. I know he still had it.

No way, bro. It's 14 days, bro. He's back in 30. He's back. Then when he sees him, tunnel vision back on him, they started hooping. But his energy was, like, contagious. Like, he running in the locker room, COVID, everything he got yelling, screaming.

And I'm like, yeah, he matters. Like, he makes a difference for our team. When he's not here, something's not clicking. But when T.A. was there, he made it. Like, he mattered. And then somehow, he's in the locker room. He does all that.

When a parade come, he has a ride by itself because he got COVID. Bro, we're all sick, bro, at this point. Who cares? Yeah, I was like, bro, there's no way y'all got him riding by himself now. And he just was in the locker room, bro. Get out of here.

Yeah, that's wild. That's wild. But I agree with it because you got to do it, what you got to do to win a championship. It's funny. I was about the, My next question was actually about TA,

and you just brought him up. He gets this rap on social media because of the funny clips. Like, people almost try to make him out to be a clown. Yeah. And I've actually gotten to know the person. Yeah. Very, very, very, very, very solid, good dude.

For sure. Smart. Yeah. Good dude. And I've also talked to people, other people that has played on teams with him. I've never heard one bad thing about him as a teammate. No.

And I'll take it a step further. I've also heard people say, even him as a basketball player, some of the stuff that he's doing games is like, they can't even believe it when they see it because he's nothing like that. I tell them all the time, because we laughed at the clips too.

We make fun of it or whatever. You know, we joke all day. But I tell them like, no, bro, he can really hoop. Like, y'all got to see his highlights, too, now. He got, where he dunked on a couple people, he Euros. Like, the low lights are funny, and they're super funny, T.A. I ain't going to lie.

But his highlights are amazing, too. And I tell people, he can really hoop. He's not just there because he yonis, bro. I'm like, y'all know he got picked before Yonov was in the NBA. Like, he got drafted, and he played in the NBA before Yonis. Like, he can hoop, bro. And I'm glad you brought that up because T.A. He did his job very well.

I mean, he cheer on the team. He's a great part of that organization. Like, he makes it run. I'm not going to lie. He gives that energy, but he can actually hook. Yeah. No doubt. No doubt, man.

I appreciate you coming on the show, bro. Thanks for having me, bro. This has been a blast. Absolutely. It's dope. I'm looking forward to coming back on Club 520. Yes, sir. Have a good time with the fellas.

But, man, like I said before, I'm going to say it again. I love y'all's show. Thank you. What you're doing. I love your trajectory on everything that you're creating to see you being an all-star in the NBA, which is one of the hardest things in basketball to do, especially at the time that you had to do it as a point guard. And to be bigger right now today already in just the first year or two of you doing this

and to be bigger and going that way is a beautiful thing to see, bro. Keep going. Y'all keep doing it. Keep bringing the content because I need to watch it in a while. No, man, no, you keep doing your thing, bro. I'm happy to be on this show where I really appreciate the guys they want to come on your show. I will do that.

One day we got to have it on there. They're like, damn, you're going to do the show without us? Say it like that. We'll do that. Another crossover show for show. We'll definitely do that. That's a rock. This episode of the Dremont Green Show here at Resort World in Vegas,

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