The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Draymond Green Show - Klay Thompson

Episode Date: April 8, 2024

Klay Thompson joins ‘The Draymond Green Show’ to discuss being drafted to the Golden State Warriors, how Mark Jackson gave Klay, Steph Curry, and Draymond confidence, being compared to Ray Allen and Reggie Miller, a pre-draft workout with the New York Knicks, and Steve Kerr taking the Warriors to the next level. Klay & Dray also discuss how Klay feels when Dray gets ejected or suspended, Klay’s upcoming NBA free agency, when he decided to get a boat, his admiration for Steph’s shooting ability, President Barack Obama’s comments to him at the White House, whether or not the Thompson family is the best NBA family, and much more.00:00 - Start02:00 - Drafted by Warriors10:00 - Mark Jackson17:00 - Steve Kerr25:00 - Dray’s ejections32:00 - Free Agency38:00 - Sea Captain Klay49:00 - Steph Curry Produced by: Jackson Safon #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Sometimes hard to pin the seat captain down. But nonetheless, let me get into this intro. As I said, we got the seat captain joining today. Draft about it with the 11 picked by the Golden State Warriors in 2011, four-time NBA champion. Five-time NBA All-Star, two-time all-MBA, 13. NBA All-Defensive second team, which is, I loved. That was a big one. That was a big one right there.

Also, 2016, Olympic gold medalist, none other than my brother, the one and only, Clay Thompson. What's up, my name? Well, it's good to be back. Well, it's great to have you on the show. Thank you all out there. We have been trying to put this together now for about a year. But, you know, I've played with Clay now for 12 years, and I know, like, you don't overly bother Clay. So I just been kind of, like, throwing the jab every now and then like, yo, we got to do the pot.

And then Clay committed, and then he decommitted, and then he committed again. And we're here. So I appreciate you coming on. Oh, yeah, no problem. Man, let's get into it, though. You know, I always say, you know, I get questions most about you and stuff. What's stuff like? What's Clay like?

And the reality is, is people don't think you talk. Really? So I'm super excited to get you on the pod and see if I can get you to talk a little more than these people think you talk. Well, I just talk as much as I have to. You know?

First off, just getting right into it, man. What was it like getting drafted by the Golden State Warriors? But you grew up as a like? lifelong Laker fan. Dad played for the Lakers, grew up as a Laker fan, and then you get drafted about to go to state warriors. What was that like? Did your dad kind of needle you a bit when that happened about going to a losing franchise? I know how competitive y'all are. Yeah, well, I was actually a Blazor fan and a Laker fan simultaneously because my dad played for both teams and had great success with both franchises. So very conflicting because the Lakers stood

at everybody's way. But growing up in Portland, Blazers were everything. Rose Garden was everything. And what was like being drafted by going to state, it was a dream, really, because moving to SoCal and going to high school down there and knowing I'd be close to my family and I was still in California. I was on the West Coast. It was a dream, really. I mean, it was as close to home as you could really get. And all my expectations have been exceeded in my time here.

Just listing off those accolades you did, made me realize how blessed I am, especially, yeah, growing up watching a lot of NBA. and it's, yeah, it's exceeded everything I ever thought would become of being a warrior. When you first got drafted to the Warriors in 2011, Steph is starting his third year. But at the time, dealing with ankle injuries

and the whole nine being questioned on if he'll actually pan out and all of those things. When you get drafted to the Warriors that year, what's your thought of Steph Curry? You don't know much about him. You're excited. or you don't even know to get to excitement or get excited because you don't know so much about him at the time. What was your understanding of Steph at that time?

Well, Steph was already a superstar in my eyes because I was a big college basketball fan and the tournament run he had in 2008 or 9 was so special. And that's when I think he really elevated himself to having a national following. and I was one of those followers, so I was already very familiar with this game. And just did on top of that. I mean, I almost had a chance of playing in college, and then I team my freshman year.

We lost to St. Mary's, who then played Davidson the second round. So that would be a very cool experience. But it didn't happen, so it's all good. That's funny. Yeah, that would be cool. Yo, who was, who early in your career, and I'm taking you back? Who, if any, was a vet for you that took you under their wing that you look back on? And the reason I asked that question is this.

And we'll get into that a little later, but I see what you're now doing for the young fellows on our team. Sacrificing, teaching, instilling confidence. Who was the vet for you when you first came in a league that kind of took you under their week, if any? Oh, yeah, my rookie year, I would say Dorel, Dorel Wright was great. I mean, Dorel had the record for most three-pointers made in a warrior season at the time. And he was from Southern California as well. And we just had a lot of common, you know, big lanky wings who loved to shoot the three ball. He enjoys baseball just like I do.

So D. Wright was a great vet to me. He would take me out to dinner. He would look after me and just teach me what the NBA life was like. So D. Wright was great. I mean, David Lee was a great vet. Dee Lee was like a superstar in my eyes because I'm a rookie and he's already a all-star, one of the best players on the Knicks team, double-double machine. So I looked up to those two guys just being a superstar.

them so established in their careers. And, I mean, Monta was great as well. Monta, I just always admired his talent. You know, I was to be able to average 25 plus in the NBA, I really was enamored by that. I aspire to do that. So I always watched Monta closely, just how he, you know, acted in practice

or what his game day rituals were. And then my second year, I thought, or third year, I thought Jermaine O'Neill was a great vet. Jermaine, I grew up in Portland, so I knew him from his rookie year and on. He was straight out of high school. And J.O. was just, even beyond basketball, he was the first player to really teach me about business and entrepreneurship. And he was talking that off the court, investing long before it was ever mainstream and popular amongst players. these days and J.O. was really opened my mind to so many new things. And that's why I had so

much respect for J.O. because he didn't go to university and he still became an incredible, incredibly savvy business person. And he kept learning and educating himself. And that's the type of leader I love to be around. And so I give J.O. a ton of credit for talking about things outside of hoop that really expanded my horizons. You spoke with Monte. And obviously, Monta was traded away your second year. First year. Your first year in the league.

Monta gets traded away. That's almost in a sense, kind of thrusting you and Steph ahead right away. Did you feel any added pressure or anything of that nature? when Monta was traded away, or did that more so fall onto Steph at that time? Yeah. I do remember when Monta was traded, and I give Monta a ton of credit

because, you know, he could have not paid me no mind. And, you know, he's established the best player on our team. He's established playing the same position. They drafted two guard in the lottery. He could have had a bad attitude about it, but he was a great bet in that sense. And always looked out for him. for us rookies.

But when he got traded, I didn't feel the pressure, but I knew that I had an opportunity. And I'll never forget, you know, after he did get traded, we were playing the Kings at Arco Arena. And Steph might have been out that night, but he did come up to me pregame

and gave me a really good pep talk. Like, look, this is your time to seize this moment. and be yourself because it's right there for you to take. And that meant a lot to me. He went out of his way to tell me that, especially as a 21-year-old rookie. And Steph Curry's telling me that I could be the future two guard of this team that instilled a ton of confidence in me.

I think I went six for 19 that night, but we got the W. And but then I had a great run after that. And that's because, you know, the team gave me so much confidence making those moves to allow me to kind of fail my rookie year and play through mistakes. And that experience did so much for me being able to play 35 minutes against the Celtics or the Lakers and against guys that I grew up idolizing. So my rookie year was one of the best times of my life, really. Mark Jackson said very early on, I'll never forget it because I'm, I remember everybody saying like, yo, he's crazy. What is he talking about?

Blah, blah, blah. He said very early on a couple things. He said, I got the two baddest shooters on the planet. I got the baddest backcourt in the game. Best back court ever. And when he said that early on, everybody's like, ah, what's wrong with him? What is he talking about?

What does he see? And yet, you guys go on to, completely changed the way the game of basketball is played. Like, completely. But at that time, when Mark Jackson goes on live television, national television to say that, what did that do for you or what did it do to you? How did you feel about it?

Well, I knew Steph was in that realm. At the time, I did not know if I was there yet. I knew I could be. What's funny is when I was really active on Twitter back then, I put my bio, even before I ever played an NBA game, I put, I'm chasing Ray Allen as far as trying to break that record or whatever, right? So to kind of follow that mold of being a Ray Allen, Reggie Miller type player. and then for Mark to say those things and him not even budge about it when, you know, the experts

and analysis were dogging him for it gave me so much confidence. And Mark isn't just going to gas you up like that. He's seen the best ever play. He's played against the best ever play. So when someone like Mark Jackson says that, it did so much for me, especially eternally. And I'll never forget another time when, this is why I knew I had another chance to be special or do some cool things was Donnie Walsh for the Knicks. I worked out for the Knicks and I had a good workout. I was like 22 or 25 in spot shooting.

And then Donnie comes up to me and he's like, Clay, you remind me so much of Reggie Miller. And when he said that, I was like, man, that's really cool because I watched so much of Reggie's film as of him just coming off floppy action. and pin downs, his game winning, highlight real shots. So those two instances, as far as just give me confidence from Mark to Donnie Walsh, I knew if I kept working that despite what the naysayers say, I would be able to do some really cool things in this league. What do you think about, like, and no one speaking of that, the confidence that Mark Jackson, coach Mark Jackson instilled in you.

And I always speak about that. I think back to those days and, like, if there was one thing that he did is, he, like, Mark would put confidence on a plate and just hand it to you. Like, he, that's what he did. Like, he could give you confidence. Like, I think that was one of his strong suits. And then you look, he was a point guard. It's in a sense of what point guards do.

They make you feel good. They get you the ball in your spots and all those things. And Mark had that ability as good as anyone I've ever seen. I think he was absolutely special in that department. And saying that, when you look at all of these teams around NBA, young teams in particular like we were, when Mark instilled that confidence, Coach Jackson, I call them, but we're speaking on here.

And Mark instilling the confidence that he did, and you look at all of these young teams around the NBA who can't get a win, suck year-in a year-in, throughout and knowing and I understand the confidence that he gave us at that point when the Warriors is coming off winning 23 games in the season. What do you make of none of those teams hiring them knowing what he did for us at that point in our careers? Yeah, it's strange.

It just doesn't add up because without Mark, there's no foundation for what was to come, especially defensively. I mean, we had the top-rated defense in consecutive years with Mark. And then for him to, you know, let Steph and I shoot the shots we would shoot, that was kind of taboo back then. But now I'm watching all levels of basketball, and you're seeing dribble packages, stepbacks, transition threes. You're seeing crazy pulls from all levels, which is great.

It's the evolution of the game. but if it wasn't for Mark, this would never have happened. So it does not make very much sense how he has not had another shot to lead a franchise, but I hope he really does because he, man, he was great. And those were really special memories for not only me, but when you were young and Steph and all the guys we play with Kent,

freaking H.B. Festus. we were a young team. And without that kind of false bravado that Mark provided, we would never believe we could beat a Tim Duncan led Spurs or go to Denver and win a playoff series being 23 years old, 22, yeah, some young 20-year-olds. So I don't know why that hasn't happened, but Mark was great.

And I really think he should get another shot because he was such a joy to play for and he was such an incredible motivator. And I just love picking his brain about the times he faced Michael or what was like running a pick and roll of Patrick Ewing. Because I grew up playing NBA jam and watching so much hoop. So it was really cool just to, you know, learn from him. Absolutely.

And I second that. I always talk about just the confidence that he instilled in us. Especially you two guys, like you said, There's shots that they allow you all to take. Like, it started to transition in basketball of what we see today. No question. And then take you far back again. I remember Steve first coming in, and Steve is implementing his offense.

And we're going through training cap, and he's like, Clay, swing the ball. Steph, swing the ball, move the ball. And, like, every time we come down the court, he's just, like move it, move it. And I remember asking him, you know, Stefan Clay, like they get the shots here. How are they going to get these shots?

And him saying, the ball will find who the ball is supposed to find. But we're going to move the ball. We're going to be a ball moving team. With Steve coming in to implement his office and it's just ball movement, ball moving. and originally we don't quite understand. We're just out to like, oh, man.

Like, I remember the grunts. And, like, everybody's like, yo, this is trash. Like, he just keep telling us to pass the ball. Like, I mean, like, I remember that. That happens. Steve's implementing his new, at that time, what are you thinking?

Are you at all worried that you won't have the same freedom, that you won't get the same shots? At that time, what are you thinking with Coach Kerr coming in? None of us could even see, like, remotely close to the vision that he had for our offense. Well, I didn't know Steve Kerr, the Blazer because I was a Blazor, so, you know, knocked-down shooter, I think an all-time leader in three-point field goal percentage. So being a young gunner, I knew he was going to utilize my skill and appreciate my skill of being a perimeter player.

And I'll never forget, Steve, first week of training camp, one of his biggest emphasis was last year we were the last team in passes made per game. And then that year in 2015, we were with a team with the most passes made per game. And I think that just unlocked a whole new dimension of basketball. I've never really seen before as far as the shooting and the athleticism combined what we had. It was special, and I think it kind of blitz the NBA by storm just with the small ball and the pace and the space. It was an incredible time to be a warrior. So I do give Steve a ton of credit. He would always give Coach Jackson credit, especially for laying the foundation.

But he just did a few tweaks and a little couple modifications to the offensive system that just did wonders for my game and obviously Steph. but it did so much for me as far as just being an offball cutter and a mover and a floor spacer that I'm kind of still playing that same role now and it's kind of just, it's been good to me. Absolutely. No, I think, you know, like I said, what it did was it not only did it, was at the beginning of a dynasty that we've all taken part in creating and building, but it was the beginning of the way back. basketball is played. Yeah. And that to me, like I always look back on that. Like, I always say, like I had the opportunity to play with, in my mind, the greatest team ever assembled.

And one of the reasons I feel that way is, yes, we were dominant. Yes, we won championships. All that way. All that was great. But it changed the way the game was played. and around the world. Yeah. You got to give yourself credit too, Dre.

I mean, there's not, Steve came in, you know, to allow you to bring the ball off the rim, have me and Steph fly off picks. The traditional power forward was, I just remember that year, like, the typical power forward is not able to stay in front of you and they're not used to like, you got to pick this guy up at half court

and then we got to guard the ball screen, the DHO, It's just so dynamic, and then you hit the lob threat. There's the backside shooter. And it just kind of... So without you, the whole thing would never have worked. And it kind of just unlocked a whole new way, a positionless style of basketball,

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With my skill set and what I excel at, what I love to do on the basketball court, I don't care to shoot the basketball. Like, I will shoot. I'll take the shot if it's there. But, like, my whole life, I've never really cared to shoot. Now, I've spent many years of my life as a score.

Yeah. I had the ability. Mm-hmm. But it never, like, I never got off on shooting the basketball. I always felt better getting an assist. Yeah. And we know that you are the total opposite, that you much tried to get the bucket. Love to get buckets.

But. I'll pass, but, yeah. I always said, like, the pieces couldn't have fit better together. And your skill set, my, Clay's, I mean, Steph's skill set and my skill set. But not only the skill sets are demeanors. Could have never fit better together. Like, I am more outspoken. I'm more in your face.

You're more like, this is what I'm doing. Follow me here. If I get pissed off, I'm going to let you guys know because ultimately I want to win. Steph is more lead by example. I'll speak up and, you know, as he sees growing, both of you guys, speak up more and more. But I'm not going to be in your face about it.

And what it did is, you know, Bob always would say, man, it's incredible that you guys still sit together. But I think one of the biggest components to that is because we were so different in those aspects, it created a larger appreciation for each other. A space where we never bump heads because I'm not in your lane. You're not in Steph Lane.

He's not in my lane. So there's never like any situation where there's a bump heads. And like there's never any pressure for you to be me, for me to be Steph, for Steph to act like you. Like, it's all, no, I know who you is. You know who Steph is.

He know who I am. And vice versa. And there's an appreciation for that. And that to me is what I feel like has been most special of this whole day. I agree. You look at teams where it's like. Spent so much time together. It's ridiculous.

Like, y'all, you in particular. I've seen you two more than anybody I've seen in my life in the past 12 years. Yeah. You know, with the time that we've spent together, the success that we've had, and it's been an absolutely incredible journey. I'm going to ask you a question that it's not on any of this, but I want to ask you this question. And I want to ask it because I'm afraid of the answer.

and I've never asked the question. There'd be two people I'd ask the question to in particular. And it'd be you and stuff. Not really anyone else. But I'm very afraid of the answer. But be brutally honest. When I get ejected or something of that nature or suspended, what do you feel?

How do you feel? What, like, what are your, thoughts. When, Dre, well... Please be brutally honest with me. It's going to crush me, but I need to hear it. Well, I mean, it's... It happens.

I mean, you know what, Dre, you're kind of a throwback player. Not a lot of, you know, not a lot of guys. I mean, the NBA is very different than it was, say, 20 years ago, 30, 40 years ago, where back then it felt like a nightly thing where it was just so physical. Now in the 2020s, times have changed. We see each other so much.

The basketball world is small from the grassroots level through college, all the way to pro, kind of know everybody. And I know, I always know your intentions are good. You're one of the greatest winners in the history of basketball. at every level. So that trumps any statistical output you could ever have. Whatever triple double, whatever record, the one that means the most of me is that winning percentage.

Playoffs, regular season, one of the greatest winning percentage is NBA history. So when you're not out there, it's like a piece of us is gone. And me and Steph are really nice guys. probably too nice, no. And we can never be ourselves and have the freedom we do on the court without you. So when you're not out there, it's kind of like a huge kink in our armor. And I know the other team is very happy you're not out there. I just know that for a fact.

They're like, they relax a little bit. They let their hair down. they feel a little bit more like they pump their chest up a little more because, you know, our muscles gone, our enforcer, the guy, the heartbeat of our team is not out there. And so it does hurt, but at the end of the day, we've been through so many battles, reached the mountain top, been down the mountain, had to climb back of, got there again. And now we have another real shot at this. And it's been like a couple tough years.

But still, we're still fighting. We're still in the mix. So it does hurt. It could be disappointing in the moment, but it will never take away from what's ahead of us and what we've done. So at the end of the day, we just need you. And that, that, like, disappointment and that feeling of just, like, shaking your head that just comes from, like, dang, man, we can't do this without you. So we love you and we need you so badly. And these young guys need you, too, because Steph and I are, we're leaders, but we don't talk the game like you do.

We don't inspire these young guys like you do. And even when Kenny calls on you in film and there's going to be a void there always if you're not out there. and we're not the Warriors without Money Green. That's just a fact. And you can ask anybody in the bay around the world who's followed this team, we would not be the does without you. So that's where that like, dang, not again.

That's where that comes from. It's just like, man, it's just hard to do it without you, bro. I appreciate that, man. Ooh, that took a lot for me. No, but I appreciate that. And, you know, I think for me, like, you know, you go through these moments. You know, like. And I don't think this would be that big a deal, say, like, four or five years ago.

But there's just such a magnifying glass in our team nowadays. I mean, I think we're the highest value basketball team in the world. So with that comes credible media coverage, sensational at times. and when you're a Hall of Fame player like yourself, people are going to love to tear you down. Yeah. You know? For sure.

That's going to, that's, I've seen that in every generation of basketball, whether it be Dennis Robman, my favorite player, Rashid Wallace, you, the media and fans, the pundits, they just love to point the finger, especially when you're at your weakest. So we just can't let that deter us from what we got to do. No doubt. Brother, then that's where I'm at with it. Obviously, like I said, I think for me personally, when these things happen, like, the thing that I think about the most is you and Steph.

It's like, fuck, I can't help those guys. Like, I can't be out there with them. Like, that's all I care to do. You know, it's like be out there with you guys. Set screens, defend, find you guys to, like, we're going to. Like, with great passes to get y'all shots. But more importantly, just be out there with my brothers. Like, competing with the guys that I've competed with my entire NBA career

for the last 12 years won championships with. And I'm a work in progress and continuing to work into better myself. But I appreciate you and stuff, you know, for always sticking with me being right by my side no matter what. that brotherhood I don't take for granted at all. And speaking of which myself, you have a free agency coming up this summer. And speaking of playing with you for the last 12 years,

with stuff for the last 12 years on what we've built here, things change. You know, the NBA changes. Caps situations change. This thing changed. change, that thing change. As you go into a free agency this summer, what's a priority to you as you look at, you know,

the next three, four, five, whatever you decide you want to play, as you look at kind of the last segment of your career, if you will, what's important to you as you embark up on that? I just can't believe it's here. Like when you're in your mid-20s, it's so crazy. You think you're going to play forever, really. And you think you just maintain that athletic level that seems effortless. But then as time goes on, you really do realize how demanding this job really is.

And it's so physically demanding. And I was actually struggling with that a lot in the beginning of this year because of the unknown, you know? I mean, I might have led contract situations or playing time or just using, making up a lot of excuses rather than just appreciating what is in front of me. And it took me and Steve like four real heart-to-heart talks to finally break my shell being like, you know what? I got to have fun this year. I deserve to have fun. Like we worked so hard to freaking win these games and play. to June and have fans on the road.

I mean, my first couple years, there might be a few staff Curry jerseys in the crowd. Now it's like a whole contingent of warrior fans on the road. It's insane. So I was kind of grappling with that a lot this year. It's almost like your own mortality as an athlete like, man, I might not be able to elevate like I once did or I might not slide my feet left and right like I once did. But I can still be a heck of a player if I just give gratitude and keep that perspective. like I'm out here bawling because that was hard for me these last few years when you're,

when you go through injuries and you're so used to playing at a certain level, guarding a certain guy, shooting certain shots. Then you have to adjust all of that. That was the hardest part of my career. And it's still hard for me, you know, when I'm used to scoring 25 in a quarter, locking up the best player. Now I got to pick my spots a lot more just precisely. which is fine. I've finally come to accept like, look, I can still be a heck of a player.

I can still be incredibly efficient. As long as I'm having fun and being a good teammate. And you actually help me a ton when you're like lean into these young guys, lean into the fact you're a vet, you've made X amount of money, you don't have to worry about nothing like you're playing for the love of the game. And I think once I realized that and I relax a little bit rather than trying to play for a contract or an All-Star nod or some accolades, but rather just play for the love of the game

and the fact they get to play cards with the guys on the plane. We're playing ping pong last night after the game. We're having fun. That's the beauty of the game right there. Not trying to get another max deal or another endorsement, but just smelling the roses and appreciating all the work it took to get here. And saying that when it comes to free agency in July, I just got to keep that in mind, like, yes, I want to resign up the doves,

but I also prioritize my mental health and, you know, lay out what is important to me at this point in my career. And I know we have so much basketball ahead that I haven't given it much thought, really, because if I start thinking about July 1st and I'm just doing myself disservice, I'm not here, I'm not thinking about the hornets tomorrow on these must-win games this weekend. So for me, it's just about staying present, as simple as that is, staying present and appreciating being the NBA. Because my uncle Andy always told me, he's like, Clay, your career's going to go by and a snap of fingers. So just appreciate this life you live. It's not a right.

It's really a privilege. And, you know, Uncle Andy, he's been around the game since the last dance. So that helped me a lot as well. Absolutely. in 2019 if you don't get hurt do you approach your whole free agency process differently at that point

that's a big what if that's a wow yeah that was that could have been a definite possibility just because you're healthy but at the same time too if I don't get hurt And let's say we do win a, we do three Pete. It's like you're not walking away from that.

That part. You're not going to. That hasn't been done since Shaq and Kobe, so I'd never would have walked away from a chance of stacking rings. And, man, that was a crazy time. That was the worst, man. You freaking, you know how long it is to play the finals? It's such a long grind. And then, like, you tear a ligament and then you got to go right back to the gym.

There was no, like, vacation. So that was a, I was very grateful for my family during that time because I was just kind of lost without basketball and, you know, being on crutches and just having to build all that muscle back in my quad and the atrophy. That was not fun, especially after that five-year finals run we had. That's a lot of, it's a lot of just mental and physical wear and tear. And I don't think, when I really think about it, if I was healthy and I don't think I would have. really tested it that hard just because it's hard to walk away from a dynasty that doesn't happen too often.

Absolutely. 2019, 2020, right after this, see Captain Clay's born. Yes, he is. You're kind of away from the team doing your rehab. And then all of a sudden you come back around and you're like, yo, y'all got to come on the boat. And we're like, what?

You're like, yeah, y'all got to come on the boat. Like, I got the boat up here. I got a boat. When you got the boat, was that always in your plans to get a boat? Or was that kind of like, I'm hurt, I need something else to do to kind of take my mind? Like, what was the process of that for you? Oh, there was always a plan to get a boat. And believe it or not, there was a San Francisco Chronicle article from 2014 or 15 where I'm

quoted saying, my dream one day is to own a fishing boat. and it just so happened. I had some free time. I got healthy enough for I was mobile again in 2019, and I pulled the trigger. I got a big old sport fishing, closed cabin boat, and everyone was all my family, my friends were like, you don't need a boat.

You don't know how to drive a boat, but I was like, I'm going to take the courses. I'm going to take all the steps. I'm not going to make any shortcuts because I love the ocean. I love having that freedom, the freedom to go to Catalino or to freaking Sam's Anchor Cafe and Tibran. There's just a whole new world out there when you get on the water. So I was doubted, but it happened. And I'm so grateful it did because I've seen a whole new side of the bay being able to get on the water and get out to stints in or go up to Delta.

There's just so many cool waterways, and now it's a lifelong skill I have as well. So it was always a dream of mine. Ever since I was a kid to own a boat and become a skilled fisherman. That part, I'm not there yet, but I got the captain skills down. I love it. My first time on the boat, I told you all, my first time on the boat, I could suspend it for coming and grabbing dude because he was grabbing clay. and ironically, I couldn't get to the bay the next day. Two days later, I was trying to get across to San Francisco to Chase Center.

The Bay Bridge was shut down. Captain Clay E. Hous and the CD came across the water to Jack London. That was a beautiful day. That was a great day. It was a beautiful day. Pulling up to Chase. By the way, to go to work like that. It's nice, isn't it?

It's fire. It's nice. It's the best. Besides, like, getting shots up and what? winning basketball games. The best part of my day is really just like getting the coffee, going to harbor, and making my way down south to Chase Center. It's so beautiful, man.

Yeah. It's the best. No, that's absolutely amazing. A couple more questions before we get out of here. And you spoke about Jermaine O'Neill and teaching you about the business of basketball. And I've learned a ton through the business of basketball. Jermaine O'Neill was represented by Wasserman throughout his career. You are represented.

You are a Wasserman athlete as well. I've had three agents. My third agent is Rich Paul, Clutch Sports, in my career, learning different things along the way and filling the need for something different. You've had two agents in your career. What was a turning point for you

when you decided, I'm going to a different direction? Like, what knowledge did you gain up until that point to where you felt confident enough to say, I think I want something different at this point in my career in representation. What was some of the things

that you picked up at that time to make you make a decision like that? Because I feel like representation today, you get so many kids, like, my mom going to represent me, my dad going to represent me, this person. It's like, you know, there's a whole business out here that they don't have a clue what it means.

And it kind of goes by the wayside. What was that for you? you at that time to make you make the decision who's, you know, now your current agent Greg that you've been with since 2000, what, 18? Yeah, 17 maybe, 16, around there. Wow, that's a good question. Well, I mean, I give credit to Bill Duffy as well. Bill was an incredible agent.

He's been a super agent. He's been around the NBA forever. I mean, Bill was a. freshman when my dad was a senior at the University of Minnesota. So that was easy for me. My dad been around the game so long, he's like, no, no, no, we're going to go with Bill. So I was like, okay, that's cool. Love Bill. And we did great things together. He's based out of Walnut Creek and he's still a really close friend. I know he's BP's agent, so I still get to see him and chop it up with them. But I think there came a time, you know, my sixth year where I was like, you know,

We've done great things together, but maybe I can explore some new avenues and just trying and grow my brand, I guess, and I met with Greg and, I mean, we just kind of had similar thoughts of what the KT line could become or my interests, what I could grow those into, whether that be business or philanthropy, and that's the hardest part of this business is having to have those difficult conversations. And it hurt, like separating with BDA, but at the end of the day, like, I was just thinking, like, I kind of want some more control over just, just a company just for me in a sense, I guess, but it's still awkward to even talk about because I feel bad in a sense like, dang, it's,

it was never personal. Like, I never really meant, knew what that meant as a teenager or college kid when someone's like, it's not personal, it's business. Because, you know, emotions are evolved. but that's really what it was and, you know, I love Bill to Death. I mean,

that guy's like my dad's one of his best friends. They play college ball together and it was just a tough switchup, really, and had great success sense, had some back then, and I don't, I'm not the most hands-on person, so hells would have someone in my corner

who, like, will vet a lot of deals or bring to the table what they think is worthy of my time. And it takes a lot to get to that point. I wasn't really worried about the other ventures until we started winning and people started noticing us and we got some national notoriety. And then like, okay, I can kind of manage my time a little better. I've been in league five, six years. Now I know what I want my future to look like.

And that was that. And it was still, it was hard and it was a good lesson for what was to come. If I do want to keep continuing to do investing in business after basketball, you're going to always have to have those difficult conversations. And that was the first one in my career that was really like, dang, that was hard to do. And it didn't feel good, but kind of had to be done. Yeah, I respect that. The conversations is tough.

Yeah, man. Those conversations. You go through so much together. It's just hard. Absolutely. Like I said, a couple more we get out of here. You and Steph's admiration for each other's jump shots, I think is such an honorable thing. Steph is worldly known as the greatest shooter ever.

And I personally think, and I think Steph feels the same way. I know Steph feels the same way because I watch. him speak on your jump shot. And like the way, when he speaks about your jump shot, the appreciation that he has for your jump shot and for you, like, it just like oozes through his answers. Like, you just, like, you can feel how much he admires your jump shot. And so I don't even want to ask this question as far as in the sense of today

because the reality is we're old and like we kind of got our routine. now and you know we don't have a million shooting competitions anymore like we used to have like we used to have shooting competitions I used to beat you guys all the time you know and um that just don't happen to him like we don't do that anymore but like just going back to the days of when we used to put play put it on the board you know and like all these different games and you guys used to go back and for you win he win you win you win you win he win you win he win Like, and that was it. And, like, then you got hurt.

That probably took apart and everybody putting their routines together. Now everything is so calculated on how much you're doing and all these different things that has changed. But, like, talk to me about, I guess his admiration is his admiration, but your admiration for his jump shot. Like, your jump shots are completely different. Yours is tighter and more compact. and probably more textbook than anybody in the world I've ever seen.

And yet, you know, Steph's is more motion in it, but shoots a million different types of ways. Just talk to me about his jump shot and what is it that you see as one of the greatest shooters ever. If they say Steph is one, God damage you too. What is it that you see and his jump shot that just makes it so special? I think it's like the force he generates.

I'm like, stuff's like maybe a buck 90, 200 max, and I'm just like, how are you able to shoot from 35 feet so accurately and easily? I think it comes from the legs, but he's incredibly strong. And then how quickly he loads his jumper from whether it be from the dribble off the catch,

it's insane I mean that's what I admire just his ability to shoot from all different angles and feet positions like as long as Steph's shoulders are square to the basket

it's got a chance of going in and that's where I'm really impressed with him is like you can't plan from the drive obviously but

just how quickly he gets it off. One thing I do have on Steph, though, this is probably one of the best moments in my life is when we were at the White House in 2015 and Mr. Obama, Mr. President Obama said my jump shot was a little prettier than Steph. That was the one win I have over him. I was like, yes, you're that Steph? Mr. President likes my jumper more. So that was the one time where I felt like I had a good win against Steph. I was like, nice. You might have a higher three point percentage and more makes, but, you know, number 44 likes mine a little bit more.

By the way, I know that still stings him when President Obama said that. I'm going to tell you something else I think still stings him. How bad do you think Steph wants to beat your 14th? Probably badly. I mean, Steve won it's such a good sport. You know, I could have ran that thing up, like 16, 17, 3s. but maybe 18, you know, I could have, even 20. Can you imagine making 23s in a game?

That would be insane. Great. But, yeah, I know he wants to beat it bad, but he's number two. So him and Zach are number two. They can stay there, hopefully. That record will be broken. No, records are meant to be broken, so I'm enjoying while I got it, but it's going to be broken one day.

But I just hope they put an asterisk next to mine, like did it in 37 minutes. Who breaks it? If you can say right now who breaks that record, who breaks it? Or do we not even see that person? Man. That's a great question. I mean, who shoots a high enough volume of threes?

Shot 24-3s that game. That's insane. I mean, could be Steph. Could be, I mean, Dame Lillard's had multiple games. You had 12, 3-point game in the playoffs. could be dame I mean can't sleep on Zach he has 13

freaking Booker that guy's going for 60 a few times this year Devin could do it that's probably short list maybe Kai Reid not that's a lot of threes man

I don't know Murray was close Kegan Murray was close I remember watching that game he was very close he was like 12 or 14 maybe or something so I think it's going to happen I just hope it stands for a while.

Yeah. Last one. Number one, I appreciate you. Oh, yeah, no problem. This is excited for me. Just getting here, sit here and chop it up, which, like I said, to begin. And more importantly, for the world to just see Utah. You know, these, they don't get that opportunity.

And I always appreciate that opportunity. So I wanted them to hear that. But before we get out, our last guest on the show was Drew Holiday. Obviously, Drew comes from a family that has multiple NBA players in it. And you come from a family, your dad, yourself, Mikey T, multiple NBA players in it. Obviously, saying everyone's in their prime. Drew say there's no chance any NBA family be saying. Who winning these games?

Come on now. Who winning these games, Drew? Come on, now. You're taking them easy. It ain't easy because they, I mean, they're Hoopers, the NBA players. But come on now. We got dogs over here. What are the Thompson?

Is my dad in his prime too? Everyone's in their prime. Wow. What does the Thompson's have to say about that? Don't sleep on Trace either. Trace was a really good player. Trace got recruited, played D1 in high school. We want to stay title together, but he decided to go to the MLB route,

which worked out great for him. Trace would be a great sub. But man, me and my dad would be a nice two-man game. You know, he average 20 and 10. The guy was a bucket on the block. Great defender. Quick for a big man. Then Mikey, you know, Mikey in his prime, great athlete.

Had a cup of coffee in the league. Played overseas, national team for the Bahamas. And we got to play the Holiday Brothers. They are definitely more, they're quicker than us between Aaron. uh, Drew and Justin. But I think with my dad on the block,

I think we could beat him up a little bit on the block. And he's got me and Mikey kicking out for threes. That'd be a good one. The Lopez twins would be tough too, the Griffin brothers, a lot of, the Wright brothers, a lot of great NBA brothers.

Curries. Yeah, too little. She's got too little. Oh, yeah, they got Delt too. I forgot.

Yeah. I got a lot of shooting, huh? Hmm. the Nance, Larry, Larry, and his father. Yeah, I'm taking the Thompson's. Just for family's pride's sake. I'm sorry, Holiday family and all the other NBA families. I'm taking the Thompson.

We have the most versatility, I think. I respect that. Probably the most rings, too. Yeah, between, I think so. Six between my dad and I? Yeah. It's pretty good. Mikey got one in 2022.

He did, yeah. He got an NBA ring. You got a D-League ring with Santa Cruz. Come on now. The only time the NBA team and the G-League team won a title in the same year. Exactly. So there's rings. Yeah, there's rings in there.

They're hardware. Man, my brother, I appreciate you coming on the show, man. It's been a long time coming. I can't thank you enough. And not just for coming on this show, but what you've meant to my life and my career. You know, I never imagined becoming who I've become in this league. And I do not take for granted.

at all. Like, you know, I oftentimes get like, if you ain't played with Stefan Clay, like, you wouldn't be shit. Yeah. And I'm like, well, you can't rewrite the history books, people. Like, what if, what are we doing? I'm like, okay, great. Yeah.

I mean, what's Larry Burr without, you know, the chief and Kevin McHale? Like, so I'm always like, okay, cool. But the reality is, is regardless of how much someone can say that, someone will say that I'll agree with them every time. care. It does not make me feel a way at all because I'm so thankful. Because the reality is regardless of what people have to say about me and if I didn't play with y'all, we had to work to make this shit happen. Yeah, absolutely.

It just wasn't like, oh, I'm this player and you're that player and stuff. This player, great. It worked. Now, we had to work and go through the ringer to actually make it happen. And I'm forever grateful for you two guys. and the journey that we've been on for the last 12 years. And I hope nothing more than for us to finish this whole thing out together and be sitting there when you get your statue at Chase, when Steph get hit statue at Chase, and when they come sit the bobblehead of me right next to y'all,

I look forward to those days, man, because... Not the bobblehead. Right next to y'all. just super glue it to the ground so nobody can take my Bible head away and we'll be just fine but my brother I can't thank you enough man appreciate that, Dray, that was fun

you gotta reminisce sometimes Yes sir That's a wrap from this episode of the Draymond Green show From the champs Peace