The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Draymond Green Show - Steph's 60-point night, All-Star snubs, response to Stephen A. Smith on Embiid

Episode Date: February 4, 2024

Draymond Green describes Steph Curry's 60-point game, the Warriors losing to the Atlanta Hawks, Trae Young, De'Aaron Fox, and Domantas Sabonis being All-Star snubs, Doc Rivers coaching the All-Star game, Joel Embiid's injury and Stephen A. Smith's reaction to Dray's pod. 0:00 Start4:00 Steph's big game12:00 All-Star snubs24:00 Doc Rivers coaching All-Star31:00 Response to Stephen A.  Produced by: Jackson Safon #Volume #herdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And then we'll get into the show. First, as we've said, please subscribe to our YouTube channel. YouTube.com slash at Draymond Green Show. subscribe to there. All your content for the podcast will be there. Secondly, I really encourage you to go check out our interview with Asia Wilson last week. Incredible interview. Obviously, she's our MVP.

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And I enjoy when Jackson jump in. But that's Jackson, everybody. That is the producer of the show since the beginning. And Jackson is a Celtics fan. So never forget that. One of the most fun days of the podcast was celebrating on the Celtics podium and Jackson having to record a podcast. in the TD Garden

and then creep on through the TD Garden with me to our team party. What a time. So that's Jackson, everybody. Now let's get into the show. Man, the dubs lose another tough game at Atlanta last night. And very frustrating,

especially with Steph having the type of night that he has 60. We did beat the Grizzlies on the first night of the beach. back-to-back, then flew the Atlanta and lost. A game that was very winnable, another game that was very winnable for us. Like I said, Steph went for 60. The rest of us didn't play too well.

I think we were third, shot 30, everybody else shot 38% from the field, 8 for 38 from 3, and he had Steph with 10-3s. It always sucks when you lose a game. When you lose a game and your guy go off like that, it's even worse. because you just feel like you had a total letdown. You feel like you didn't hold up your end of the bargain because there's no way he has 60 points and we lose. You know, and so that in itself always sucks.

We're in a very interesting stretch right now. Very interesting stretch where, you know, some very winnable games on the strip, and we need to put some wins together. right now is a very key time for us and you know it feels like we're turning the corner you know and then you kind of had these setbacks to like a loss like last night

where you're like we really should win that game and um trying to string some wins together has been a challenge for this team but I still believe that we're capable of doing that. I do think um you know we've been on the run for a very long time and um like as time

has going on, our margin for error has shrunk dramatically. And I think that's what's very interesting things. So you look at all these closed games, we got like 30 of them. The margin for error is so small. And I think for us, I think we're making a bunch of mistakes that we should not be making. A bunch of small mistakes. And you start to add those small mistakes up over the course of a game, things that you can take away.

and like they just usually come back to bite you in the end. And so I feel like that's like a lot of what's happening with us. It's like you just make these small mistakes over and over and over and over and over again. And at a certain point, it's just impossible to overcome them. Everyone always say, what is it that this team have to do in order to turn that corner? And the reality is I don't think there's one thing to pinpoint. I think there's a few things to pinpoint, but most importantly, We have to play more mistake-free basketball.

Like, stop making the little mistakes that we make throughout the course of a game. And if you can stop doing that, then you're able to build leads, right? Like, we'll have times where we're playing well during the game and we're not able to build a lead because then those mistakes come in, right? And so then you're kind of fighting a battle

the entire game, an uphill battle, all of a sudden team go on a run. They take control of the game. Now you're fighting for control back. You're fighting against those mistakes even more. And so I just think we, need to play more mistake-free basketball. And I know that sounds like a very broad term, but it's like small, simple mistakes

that you actually can control. Like, we actually can control those things. And I think that's the key. Like, I think that's what we have to do in order to, again, turn this thing around. And I think we're more than capable. Like, you see some of these games, you're like, oh, it's coming together, right? Like, and then you drop one that you should have again. And so that's frustrating.

However, Steph Curry becomes only the second player with the great Kobe Bryant to score 60 after turn 35 years old. Man, I tell you, Steph had that look last night in that second half where you just knew like you needed to get out the way. And, man, it's one of the most incredible things to watch them have those types of performances. I personally, you know, you start to, like, expect these things and then you, like, to still end up in awe. Like, you already expect the world of Steph Curry, right? And, like, and yet I'm still in awe at times of his shot-making ability of his ability. Like, he's doing the way defense react to Steph, no defenses has ever reacted to a player in the history of basketball. Like, defenses react to Steph Curry.

And I personally, I've watched a lot of basketball. Obviously, I didn't see with the Whip Chamberlains and the Bill Russell's, but I've watched a lot of basketball. I've never seen a defense react. Like, the way defense is react to stuff is like how you see, like, a bad high school team react to a great player. It's insane. Like, the attention this man commands.

And so we still got to figure out how to make teams pay for that attention. that they're giving him. And I think at times, like I said, we're doing a good job of it. And at times, it goes haywire. And so the consistency, maybe that's the word I'm looking for. We need more consistency. More consistency in our decision-making, more consistency on the defensive end, more consistency on the offensive end, making sure you don't have these spells where you get a bunch of bad shots, you know, and like the game starts to turn. And so that's the word. for the dubs, consistency. We need to be a lot more consistent because if you're not consistent, you end up a bad team right around 500. And if you are consistent, that is what

gets you over the hunt. That's the difference in between a good team and a bad team. It's simply your habits and your consistency. And right now, we don't have great consistency. And that's something that if we're going to change this thing, it has to be better. So that's the only way you can win in this league. And saying that, and speaking of Steph Curry 60, which leads me straight into our next subject. That is All-Star Snubs. Trey Young, 27 points and 11 assists. All-Star Snub.

Like, this, this conversation will get a little interesting because it's like the tale of two tapes and yet both of them kind of got screwed, which is, this is a very, like, statistical-driven lead. Like, you look at analytics, you look at guys, You have some guys play for stats to get their contracts to do all these things.

Like it is a very statistical driven league. That's how you get awards. That's how you get the mentions, the honors. It is stat driven. No question about it. So now, if the league is stat driven, these things shall get interesting. That is. Trey Young, 27 points, 11 assists, currently on a four-game winner street,

and currently 10th in the standings, so they're currently the last team in the playing game, half a game out of ninth place, a few games out of eighth place. So now you may say, okay, they have not had a successful season, which is indeed true. But in saying that,

then that does not explain why DeMontasabonis and De Aaron Fox was snub. De Aaron Fox is averaging 27.5. points and five assists. The Kings are currently at fifth in the West and has been in the top for most of the year. But they're currently at fifth, which means very much so in the playoffs. Right there next to home court advantage in the first round, but they're in fifth.

27 and 5. You got DeMontas Sabonis average in 19.9 points, so we're just going to give them 20. 13 rebounds and eight assists and the Kings are in fifth place. Now that's interesting because in a stat-driven lead we have to tell the two tapes, which is one team that's right on the brink of the playoffs,

another team that is firmly into the playoff picture right now. All three with incredible stats, none make the All-Star game. Now, the one thing that I can understand is DeAaron Sabonis and, excuse me, Deeran Fox and DeMontas Sabonis probably pulled votes from each other because they probably would both be wildcards. You look at the All-Star rosters and you got Carl Anthony Towns as a backup in the West. You got Anthony Davis as a backup in the West.

and so that right there and there's one more front oh kawai leonard i think um is kawai a backup in the west or is kawai a starter no kawai's not a starter kawai's a backup so there's your three front court players then you get two back court players and then you get two wild cards so now the wild cards in which is what dearon fox and sabonis would be fighting for if you look at the roster, they probably pull votes from each other. Because if you're looking at them, you're like, ah, it's a bonus from me for that team. It's Fox for me from that team. And so in turn, I think they pull votes from each other. And when they pull votes from each other, then someone else kind of slides in that's solely getting the votes from their team. So, for

instance, in AD, it's solely getting to vote from the Lakers because bronze is a starter. Now, you look at them and you say, wow, um, they got. two guys into the All-Star game, and they are currently in ninth place and have been around 9 through 11th most of the year. They got two All-Stars in the game. But, like, which one of those guys do you take out? Like, because it's also a fan thing. Like, for instance, Brian made, as a starter, in part due to fans, media, and then also players.

But let's face it, like, Brown's going to be a starter. Does AD deserve not to make it? AD's been playing all season. Everybody's complaint had been games, and he's played a bunch of games, and he's producing at a high level. So should he not make it, but yet their team is in ninth?

So again, it starts to weigh those things alike. What is the criteria? There's never been a set criteria. Is it your team success, personal success, a combination of both? Again, the Kings guys, and Fox and Subonis, kind of proves that the combination of both

may be screwing you a bit. And so it's very interesting. And like I said, I don't have anything for the Trey Young situation other than, you know, they say a lot of coaches or a lot of people don't appreciate

Trey's style of play. You know, so he'd be voted in by the coaches and they don't appreciate the style of play or how he competes on the defense. of end or whatever. I'll tell you what. Guard and Trey Young is hell. Hell.

Like, the way he uses his live threats, the way he uses the guys around him. He's great in the pick and roll. He's super fast. Obviously, we know he can shoot the blood out of the ball. He gets in between, you know, the rim, that kind of mid-range area, kind of floaters, good finishing around the rim,

all of that. So, listen, I hear people complaints and all of that. But I'm going to tell you, as someone who got, have to guard, it's hell guarding Trey Young. Now, yes, Trey Young uses different things to get by, drawing different files and different stuff like that. Of course. But most of the great scorers in the league use things like that.

So to average 27 and 11, and not make the All-Star? And like this is the third year where he's averaged like 25 plus points, 10 assists dang there, and didn't make the All-Star team. And I just find that very interesting because I've seen guys make it off stats alone

in previous years. And for some reason, that just does not apply to Trey Young. Now, you got Julius Randall out and you have possibly Joel both missing the All-Star game. And if they do, let's see, who would our subs be or replacements for the East?

You got a group of Trey Young. You got a group of Scotty Barnes. You have... Jimmy Butler, Pascal Seaccom, Chris Stapps, Drew Holiday. Yes. There's your list right there. By the way, for all y'all, there's Jackson, stepping in, helping me out, keeping us rolling.

So, yeah, you have a list of about five or six guys who could get in. I personally think with the talk around, Tray, you know, with a replacement being named, he's already an all-star. All-stars usually get the nod. I also can see that. Him as one of the replacements. A lot of people say Scotty Barnes, I think Scotty's growth has been incredible. I probably would lean a little more.

Jimmy has missed quite a few games. And so I think that'll work against Jimmy. Jimmy, quite honestly, doesn't care about being an all-star or anything else anyway. You got Christos Prasinias, who I think has had a good year, and their team is right at the top of the east, number one, actually, by four games. And so, however, that team also does have two all-star on it already. Do you get three?

I mean, there's no other all-star for Cleveland this year. The Knicks got both of those guys. There's no other all-star for Philly. There's no other all-star for Indiana. Pascal, a Pascal got traded to Indiana. So maybe Pascal. There's no other all-star from Miami, Orlando, Chicago, maybe tomorrow. And so when you start to look at it, I think, Young gets in, it'll be interesting to see who that second person would be. Like I said, I think it'll probably be Chris Stops, maybe Drew Holiday.

One of those guys, I think probably more Chris Stops. But there you go. You may have a couple of replacements on that side of things, and it'll be interesting to see. Just for your information, the replacements are picked by Commissioner Adam Silver. That's who choose the replacements. And so we'll see. But like I said, I don't have a good explanation for you other than the ones that I've given you. Because, again, that's two different tails of the tape.

One team is winning. One team is not. All three got crazy stats and none of them make the All-Star game. Wow. Especially, you know, you think like Fox coming off the playoffs he had and the different things like, And then to come back producing like he is, you think that he takes that next step of respect. And then you got, you know, it's funny because stuff like this always happened where you got guys making that next junk. And depending on the jump of others can affect someone else's jump.

You know, we've seen it for years with Mike Conley, being in the Western Conference and not being able to get an All-Star bid because Russell Westbrook is in the Western Conference. of Steph Curry's in the Western Conference. The list goes on and on. The guys was in, then you got, then all of a sudden you had Luca coming into the Western Conference on the tail. And the list goes on and on over the years. Tony Parker, Darren Williams, Damien Liller, Clay Thompson.

Like, the list goes on and on where Chris Paul, where it hurt Mike Conley. And so you could be seeing one of those situations as well where Shea is playing so great. Anthony Edwards, is playing so great. So you got those young guys in the West, right? You still got the Steph Curry.

You still got Luca Donchards, right? You still got these different guys. And sometimes guys just get squows. And it's unfortunate, somebody was saying the other day, like, well, maybe they should raise the all-star game to 15. No, the hell they shouldn't. No, they should not raise the All-Star game to 15. That's not happened.

one more thing on the All-Star game, and then I got one last thing to hit on, and then we're going to get out of here. Adrian Griffin, Doc Rivers, let's rewind a little bit. Doc Rivers is the head coach, after coaching three games, the head coach of the Eastern Conference All-Stars. That's crazy.

Let me tell you why that's crazy. Number one, y'all know I got mad love for Doc, and Doc says something, which I commend him on. Doc has always been a stand-up gentleman. It's been in the NBA his whole life. That's why. Stand-up person.

Stand-up gentleman, nothing but respect and love for Doc. Absolutely insane that he's coaching the Eastern Conference All-Star game when he was just talking at the Warriors game analyzing the game a week and a half ago. But Doc said that the ring from the All-Star game and the bonus will be going to Adrian Griffin. respect that, respect the hell out of that. Me personally, I think Adrian Griffin should have still been the coach of the All-Star team.

And here's why I think that. Because Adrian Griffin earned the right to be the coach of an All-Star team. In his first year, he earned the right being number two in the conference because last year, Boston was number one. So Joe Missoula and his staff was the coach you cannot coach in the All-Star game two years in a row. That's why when the Doves was dominating all those things, you wouldn't see Steve, coaching the All-Star game every year because you can't coach it two years in a row. So Joe Missoula and his staff are automatically disqualified, which means it moves on to the next team, which is number two-seat Milwaukee Bucks.

And Adrian Griffin coached that team to the number two-seat before he was fired. And turn, so they get the nod. Well, now the head coach is dot. Why I personally think Adrian Griffin should be the, head coach of the All-Star team is because if a player got traded today but they're an all-star,

guess what? They're still going to be an all-star. So this man gets fired a week and a half two weeks ago. Why shouldn't he still coached the All-Star team? The work was done. The work was done. So I don't quite understand that.

If a player got traded and he makes the All-Star team, He's going to show up to that team as an Indiana Pacer as opposed to a Toronto Raptor. Pascal Seacum is the most recent trade that came to my mind. But like, he's still being the All-Star game. So I'm not quite certain why Adrian Griffin isn't still the coach of the All-Star game. But like I said, I commend that. And that also could get weird as hell, though,

because Yonis kind of got a sign off on him getting fired. And Dane probably had to sign off. off to some degree. And so that could get a little awkward knowing that these two guys signed off on you getting booted. And now you got to coach them in the All-Star game where, hey, everybody's celebrated. That could get quite awkward and maybe that's why. But however, like, Adrian Griffin, we don't know if Adrian Griffin will ever get

another head coaching job in his league. In the one year that he did have a head coaching job for all of four months, he coached the team to be in position and he'd be an all-star game coach and he won't get it and I'm not sure he'll ever have an opportunity again and that sucks so I wish they could have figured something out

for Adrian Griffin to still be the coach of the Eastern Conference All-Stars because he deserved that and he got booted a little too soon and that sucks So, wishing well for Adrian Griffin, and like I said, hats off the dot. Much respect and love, respect to hell out of that.

Before we get out of here, Stephen A. Smith, who I also, you know, in his clip, he said, I got a lot of love for Draymond Green. That love is mutual. I shared that with you all before. I got a lot of respect for Stephen A. A lot of people having opinions on Stephen A. that isn't my opinion.

The world's opinion on Stephen A does not apply to me. Real guy, very helpful to young guys like myself who's kind of coming to this lane of media space. He's the first one to reach out when you do something right and congratulate you. He's the first one to reach out when you do something wrong and walk you through what you did wrong, how you should have done it.

And what you should do next time, how you should approach things, very much so one of the best in the space. I think he created a space that no one else can compete in. I think he is the best at what he does. So a lot of love for Stephen A here.

And by the way, Stephen A, you are always welcome on the Draymond Green Show. If you want to come on the Draymond Green show once a week, we'll have you here, Stephen A. And I'll come on the Stephen A show once a week. We can bump our guns wherever you want to bump our gums at Stephen A. I'm cool with all of that. However, the new media is speaking now.

And when you say the new media didn't tell the whole story. We all know, and I'm unapologated about this, I got a lot of love for Draymond Green. We're going to call out Draymond Green right here on national television. And if he wants me to, I'll come on his damn podcast and call him out in front of his own damn audience. This is not his brightest day. Because you see, when you talk about new media, the obligation is to tell you. the whole story. He didn't do that. He complained, but he didn't highlight, as you both articulated, the origin of all of this. We're not talking about injured players. We understand legitimately

injured players are legitimately injured players. What brought all of this to about, you can take me off the screen individually. I want to look at Wendy and Perk when I'm saying this stuff. We're talking about individuals who took advantage of the privileges that were given to them by people who came before them. Well, quite frankly, my friend, I didn't need to tell the side that you all say every day because that's what people are listening to every day.

They're listening to Stephen A yell about players, not playing and this, that, and other. But what I specifically said, though, Stephen A, was players are now getting punished for being injured. Because, again, now we sit here and now we know that Joel M.B., who was the front-runner, of the MVP of the NBA for a second year straight is now hurt with a torn meniscus.

And yes, a torn meniscus in that very knee that was already bothering him. So by the way, Jonathan Caminga did fall on his knee. And they said, it's his lateral meniscus. I'm no doctor, Stephen A. But I don't think he tore his lateral meniscus by Jonathan Caminga falling on the knee. The knee was already swelling up, days leading up to our game that he played in, which is a sign of something's wrong. When you have a meniscus injury, your knee does swell.

So I, quite frankly, am not of the assumption that Joelle and B hurt his knee when Jonathan comminga fell on him. I don't believe that. As I said, I'm no doctor. I didn't see any MRI. And so I'm not saying that is the case. I just don't believe he tore his lateral. the rule of meniscus by his leg getting smashed down to the,

I don't believe that. Now, Rick Celebrity may say otherwise. However, that knee was already swelling up and it was already an issue in that knee. So to my point, you got a hurt player, a guy that's legitimately hurt, being affected by a rule of guys, yes, guys were sitting out. I agree. But just like the NBA can investigate anything else, they can investigate and know when someone's sitting out because they're low managing and not sitting out.

because they're really hurt. The NBA ain't know everything. They can figure out everything. The NBA is like the FBI. Y'all heard Mello's interview before. The NBA can figure things out. So don't tell me that it can't be figured out when a guy is really hurt

and when a guy is low managing. And that's two totally different things because here it is, we have a Joe L&B being affected by actually being hurt. We're talking legacy here. MVP awards, those things don't come by often. Kevin Durant, who people regard as one the greatest players they ever play, has won.

One. MVPs are hard to come by. He has one. So Joel Embed on the verge again, his second one. And he's essentially possibly going to miss extended time because of a rule that's aimed at players resting when healthy. But he's not healthy, though. Stephen A.

So my argument was no, guys should be able to low manage. I never said that. I said there's guys that's actually hurt. Tyrese Halliburton actually, we saw the man do the splits. We saw it on TV. The man did the splits.

Like, whoa, that's bad. We saw it. So you mean to tell me he's up against the same rule as everybody else? We saw it, Stephen A? We watched him do the splits and get hurt. But he's being punished by a rule that's aimed at stopping guys from sitting when they're healthy. And you can tell me all the other guys said this and all the older guys said that, I got a lot of respect for them.

But let's face it, man, those games were 70 to 67. You score 67 points in the first half and you could be losing these days. The final scorers were 70 to 67. Those teams just getting up 60 shots a game. You get up 60 shots in the game, my friend, you can ran out the gym. You get, like, maybe they weren't even getting up 60 shots. But the game was so much slower. There's so much, so many differences to how the game is actually playing.

Those guys weren't running like we run. They weren't. Walking the ball up the floor, dumping it into the post. They weren't running like we run, getting up and down. All of those things make a difference. And so you got players actually hurt. And they're getting punished by a rule that was made for people sitting out when they aren't hurt. There has to be a different way to place or to create a criteria.

Because in all criteria created, there's unintentional consequences. And an unintentional consequence of this one is Joe L&B will be screwed and not win his second MVP in a row. because he actually got hurt. And Tyrese Halliburton is a few games away from not making all NBA because he actually got hurt. And guess what? That's an unintended consequence, Stephen A?

So, the new media has spoken. The whole story is right there for you. And my brother, you welcome on this podcast anytime. Any day, we would love to have you. Appreciate y'all for tuning in to this episode. to the Draymond Green show. That's a wrap. Until next time, peace.