The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Draymond Green Show - Warriors Beat Lakers + Problems With College Basketball Discourse

Episode Date: April 10, 2024

Draymond Green reacts to the Golden State Warriors big win over the Los Angeles Lakers including great shooting nights from Steph Curry and Klay Thompson, LeBron James almost missing the game, Anthony Davis not playing, and more. Then he discusses the news that Karl-Anthony Towns is reportedly returning for the Minnesota Timberwolves, South Carolina defeating Caitlin Clark and Iowa, the discourse around college basketball, episode four of JJ Redick and LeBron's 'Mind the Game' podcast, Victor Wembanyama, and more.  0:00 Start2:00 Warriors-Lakers11:00 KAT news15:00 College bball discourse27:00 Mind the Game Produced by: Jackson Safon #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Bonus bets expire 168 hours after issuance. See dkng.com slash B-Ball for eligibility and deposit restrictions, terms and responsible gaming resources. What's up everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond Green Show. It is Wednesday morning, live from Los Angeles, and we are here with another Bleacher Report live episode on the Bleacher Report app. So shout out to all of you who are tuning in, checking this out.

And much love to all of you who are getting your podcast, wherever you get your podcast from. But continue to come show us love. We greatly appreciate that. We never take it for great. It. Dubs had a big win last night over the Lakers. Killer Clay Thompson had another good game. Finish with 27.

Make sure y'all go check that Clay interview out on our YouTube page. YouTube.com slash at Draymond Green Show to check out the interview with Clay. There's a lot of things there to unpack. Clay Thompson's future. What that looks like, Clay Thompson's Pass, how all of that came about. the championships, the injury, the feelings, all of the above. It's a great time, great chat. And as you all know, we have been waiting to get Clay on for a while.

I'm happy it happened the way it did. And we had him on last week or this week. So make sure y'all go check that interview out. But getting into it, like I said, we beat the Lakers last night, 134 to 120, hitting 263s. first time since 2015 that Steph myself and Clay all have five plus threes second time ever

first time since 2015 man it felt good honestly I went to shoot with Travis yesterday and we went to get shots up yesterday morning and we just worked a lot on my arc like getting my arc up getting my form right getting my hand through it and I told him like yo my shot I feel good. And I got to just come off fire because I know they're going to help off.

And they always play me like that. There are probably as egregious as any team about helping off of me. And, you know, I have my ways of making teams pay when they do help off, which Brian and JJ hinted at in their mind the game. Fourth episode, which we'll talk about. But last night, I didn't use those ways. I used the tray ball, and it was very efficient, five for five to start from three into the five for seven.

But honestly, it was just taking what the defense gives me. And, you know, with AD not being out there, obviously changes their defense up drastically. AD's arguably having a defensive player at a year type of caliber season. And, you know, he wasn't out there, which makes a big difference on both sides of the floor. We all know what Anthony Davis is capable of. the type of player that he is.

So that definitely made a big difference. He was reported out a couple hours before the game. And if I'm honest with you, my reaction to someone being reported out that was probably total opposite of what most would think. I hate playing in games like where you're not playing against the guys. It's hard to get up for the game. When you're not playing against the guys

that you expect to be playing against when you come in to the arena, it's kind of like a letdown. You know, and so I was happy to get off to a good start, obviously knowing what was at stake. You know, it makes it a little easier to get up for the game and even under the circumstances. And, you know, it also came down to like the last second of whether Brown was going to play or not. So I was really hearing limbo before the game. Once I was told Brown was playing, I'm like, all right, cool. Like, that's kind of what helped me settle in because, I mean, anytime Brown's on the floor,

he's going to give his team a chance to win. So for that was, you know, reason I was able to lock in, but finding out like AD was out, like, that sucks. Because you want to play against, like, the top competition. Like, for me, that's what, that's what makes me go. Like, you know, I can care less about the games against the trash teams that you just got to be out there. Like, those are the worst.

So, that was good. I got a little shout out from the great Reggie Miller called me a splash cousin. I talked about it on TNT last night. Y'all don't need that. Y'all can go find another splash cousin. Don't put me in that family because the expectations of that family and the way they shoot the ball, I'm not quite sure I need nor want those expectations. So y'all can keep those guys over there.

I'm going to stay over here. That teams keep helping off me. so I can just dial it on up. I don't need all that pressure what those guys are doing. Quite frankly, it's not going to happen anyway. But Steph had a really, really good game. A fishing game, only shot nine shots.

Seven and nine from the field, six for six from three. Finish with 23, eight assists, seven rebounds. Yours truly 15, 10 assists, six rebounds. I had two blocks. They shortened me and only gave me one block, so y'all should check that. Brown shot that little fadeaway

in the first half. and like the shot clocks run down. I definitely block that. And then obviously to block on Rui, but I get shorter my blocks a lot, just like I get short at the file cause. My tooth hurt like hell, by the way. Just so y'all know,

I may have to go see my dentist, make sure my tooth is intact. So I was trying to bite some food last night, and that shit hurt. Still no foul. No worries. Clay Thompson, 27 points on 10 or 16 shooting. We really shot the ball.

lights out last night, which was great for us. Now, where it's interesting is we know we're capable of shooting the ball lights out. We have a great shooting team, has had one since I've been with the Warriors. And it's very encouraging because a lot of an A came off our defense, our defense leading to great offense, and then also we created great looks, and they just happened to go down. You know, it wasn't like we were out there taking tough threes where they were, you know, all over us and like every shot was just going in. Like, they were driving kick threes, which drive, kick, swing, three, open three.

And so the ball movement was great, played with great pace, and we end up getting great looks. So obviously when you got Steph, Steph Curry and Clay Thompson on the floor, shooting the ball grade is never a fluke. Shooting the ball grade is actually what's expected. 263s on 64% from the field,

which is best ever in his NBA history. So it came out a good time for us, obviously a much-needed game. That puts us a half-game behind the Lakers for ninth place. If I'm not mistaken, if we went out, that'll put us at the 9-seat.

We can still get up to the 8-seat depending on what happens with Sack and New Orleans and Phoenix. And a couple of those teams got to play each other. We still got to play New Orleans. Orleans, both of us will be coming off of back-to-back on Friday. We got Portland tomorrow. At Portland, New Orleans have sack at sack.

So that's a big game, a really big game. And then the next night, New Orleans has Phoenix at sack, which will also probably be a big game for Phoenix where they are to stand. So a lot shaking down with this playing tournament. And it's exactly what the boss Adam Silver Order. And no, I'm not talking about no script writers. I'm talking about the playing tournament. Since the playing tournament came about, what, four years ago, three years ago,

it has been, the games are the highest rated games of the season. And the excitement that it adds to the last 10 to 15 games of the season has been unparalleled. So that's been great to see. But that's what's going on to play in. So if you're not paying attention to that, you just may want to pay attention to that because it is something to keep an eye on. We've beaten the Lakers the last couple of times, obviously last night without AD,

and then the game before he left the game early, if I'm not mistaken. The Lakers are always a tough match-up. Like I said, having AD on the court always makes a difference. You know, I am very confident, you know, if we play them in the playing situation, that we can win, that we will win. And saying that, you know,

anytime you're playing against AD and Braun in a one-game situation, it's tough because, you know, they're always more than capable of putting a great night together. And it's more likely in a one-game situation that they're going to put a great night together than a bad night. So it's always tough.

Nonetheless, that is where we are, and I have total confidence that we can take advantage of some things that they do and win the game if that is the case. But in saying that the Kings also lost last night, and that puts them one game ahead of the dubs, which is interesting because, like I said, they have a couple tough games coming up. So we shall see how that play out.

It is important that over the course of these next three games, we win all of them. You got to control what you can control, and that's what we can control. Two games that we should win, and then one game that I also feel we should win, but it'll be a lot tougher because they're playing for something just like we are. So I've got to stay locked in, but I'm very pleased with where we are and how we're playing. We're coming together, playing well at the right time, and I think that'll bode well for us and punching our ticket and making a run.

very excited about that. The T. Wolves and other news, say they're getting cat back, either tonight or Friday or Sunday or something like that. It'll be interesting because they've played really well without Cat and they play really well with Cat. I'm not making some assumption that they're better without Cat or anything like that. I'm just saying right now today,

Chemistry is everything in the NBA. Chemistry is huge. And Cat, if I'm not mistaken, has missed, what, the last 10 to 15 games or something like that with the knee injury. And to come back at the end of the season where, hey, guys have been gearing up to, you know, from a body standpoint, from a mental standpoint, from a rhythm standpoint, and for the playoffs, a team has as well. Now's Reid has been playing well. Now you incorporate cat back in. Kat's a big force. Cat carries a lot of weight.

Cat changes the way you play because you're going to feature him because he's that good. And so that will be an adjustment for them adding cat back into the fold. And that's always tough to do in the playoffs yet. Nonetheless, we've had to do that. We've had to add Kevin Durant into playoff series. We've had to add Steph Curry into playoff series. Two years ago when we won a championship, I came back March 16, three, two and a half, three weeks before the season ended.

We successfully did that. And then when I came back, Steph got hurt. And we had to add him back in actually when the playoff starting, if you are, remember, one of those series, he was coming off the bench. Might have been Denver. And so it's not an impossible thing to do. It is a tougher thing to do, especially with a team that hasn't been there. Obviously, the Timberwolves hasn't been at that stage, hasn't been a one-seat or two-seat or three-seat. three seed wherever they'll finish.

So the expectations and then trying to work with that can get a little tough. Nonetheless, if you can get Kat back, you add Kat back into the fold and you just figure it out with whatever it is that you have to figure it out with. Always happy to see guys healthy and get back on the court. So great for Kat. Happy he's healthy and back ready to play for this postseason run. At the end of the day, we're all NBA players. and we do our best to uplift a product

and you want the best product on the floor that you can have out there for the sake of the league, for ourselves, for the future of this league. So happy to see Kat back out there. Like I said, ultimately, they just got to figure that out. And you'd much rather have that problem

than the other side, which is he can't play. And moving forward, shout out to South Carolina, Louis Vuitton, Dawn, Staley. The goat, one of the goats, putting it together out there, building an incredible, incredible program, has built an incredible program. And they just took their third championship in two years, undefeated season, took down Caitlin Clark in the Iowa Hawkeyes. Congratulations to Caitlin on an incredible career. Absolutely amazing what she's done for the game. I love how she pays her respects to the people that came before her,

ultimately knowing and understanding that it's not just her, but the people that came before her and giving her the platform that they gave her. And then she did her job, which I always talk to you all about, Pete Myers telling me you owe it to the game to leave it in a better place than it was when you found it. And for those that came before her and where they got the game to, she took it and took it to another level. And that's all you can hope for. So shout out to Caitlin, but more importantly, shout out to them champions.

Shout out to the champions, the South Carolina, Game Cox, much love. There's been a lot of talk going around over the last few days about women's basketball, college women's basketball, pretty much all year on how the numbers were higher than the guys and how the star power was higher than the guys. And that's a very interesting and dangerous thing. I always talk about when, you know, WMBA or women's basketball in general start comparing themselves to men's sports. And ultimately, I think that's a recipe for disaster. Because, number one, when you start talking NBA and WMBA, the NBA is 50 years older than the WNBA.

50. So that right there alone is already going to give you a big gap. Like, because it's 50 years older. Like, so you automatically going to have a gap just by the stages of where the leagues are as far as, you know, the length of time that the league's been going. So that's a natural thing. An interesting thing, though, what's been interesting to me is that all the talk. and everybody like pinpoint, like, see, better than the guys, better than this, more numbers than the guys, ticket prices higher.

It's like, people are actually, like, pinning these two things together and creating, like, this competition. And I think it's so wrong. Like, I think it's actually horrible for the women's game because you start comparing where you don't, like, competing where you don't need to compare. And to me, that's crazy. Like, you're never going to, like, pull your. watchers from the men's game, like,

no, they can watch both. Like, they can watch the women's game. They can watch the men's game. But when you start comparing college star power for the women's game and college star power for the men's game, that's where

it gets tricky because when you watch ESPN and they're highlighting the game per se, Iowa versus Yukon. When you watch the women's game, they're not really highlighting the coaches.

Although Gino Oriama is such a legend that they always mention him, but they're not highlighting the coaches. You know who they were highlighted? They were highlighting Caitlin Clark and Paige Beckers. They were highlighting the players, which is great, I think.

But in college men's basketball, they don't highlight the players. They highlight the coaches. So when you watch a Michigan State player, a against a Kentucky. They don't put Tyson Walker picture up

and Rob Dillingham picture up. They put John Caliperi picture on the screen and Tom Izzo picture on the screen. So college men's basketball has always been about the coaches. It's not about the players. So what you don't get marketed is like the player in college men's basketball.

What you get marketed is the coaches. Coaches that's been there for all these years, 15 years, Perry is leaving Kentucky. Coach is open at, the head coach at Michigan State since 1995. It's almost 30 years. That's what is marketed.

Not Xavier Booker who's looking to take that next step next year. And so I think it's a very slippery slope when you start comparing those two things because next year there won't be a Caitlin. There will still be page. and page is incredible. But my point is, you won't have that star power every year.

And you can't just flip it in to the coaches. Like, I never knew I was coach's name until maybe like this week. And like I remember her last name, but don't remember her first name. Because she's not marketed. Caitlin Clark is marketed. So when you don't have that star power and now, and you're still being marketed up against these giants because their game will be marked. marketed as by the giants that is Tom iso, the giants that is Calipari, the giants that are,

um, you know, the list, the list, the list, Bill's self, the list go Rick Barnes, like the list goes on and on on. You're going to be marketed against those giants every year. And so in the year that you don't have a Kalin or even a page for that matter, are you still going to market against those giants. And if you do and you don't have that star power, then all traction that you've built now fall off.

Because where does your marketing go? And does it stand the test of the giants versus the giants? I think not, which is why I think it's a very dangerous slope to go down and comparing the two and making it, we're better than this.

Look at this. We did that. That's a slippery slope. and I think it's actually a very unnecessary slope. So now when talking about growing the women's game, now you have these players, Caitlin, Angel Reese, Cam Brin, Camilla Cardozo. You have these players going to the WMBA. Now, where that gets tricky is you're better marketed in college than you are to WMBA. WMBA is starting to take that next step.

but the problem that you run into in the WMBA is now you're going to have the Caitlin Clarks in the league and all this thing and like you got great traction but but now you got to find the game somewhere because there's more college women's games on TV than our WMBA games on TV so now you got to be able to find the games so that that problem has to be addressed as well and so I said all of that to say women's basketball is in an incredible place and I think it's great. I just said all of that to say don't. Like let's not go back down the road of comparing the two because it just doesn't make sense.

It's an unnecessary battle for no reason. And if you lose the battle, the unnecessary battle, then what? There was never a point to create the battle. And not saying the women are creating a battle, although you sometimes do see. see some of the women like yeah look at that but i'm not saying the women that are creating a battle i'm just saying in general probably should tread a little lightly with that because it's unnecessary shout out to the yukon huskies uh rudy gay went to his training camp with us earlier this year he like we're a blue blood i'm like rudy y'all not a blue blood and um we talked about

if they wanted again would they be a blue blood they're probably blue bloods uh with what UConn has done to Dan Hurley's point over the last 25, 30 years, you kind of got to put them in the blue blood category. Going back to back, there was never a doubt that they win that championship. I had tweeted something about Zach Eady, and you could go back and watch. Jackson will probably go find the clip if we're allowed to put the clips up here, which we're on Bleacher Report.

T&T had the game. Turner family had the games, so maybe the clip can't go up. But there was a specific play, maybe around like the 18, 19 minute mark where it was kind of haywire on Purdue, and they ended up getting a turnover. And I saw Zach Edie walking back down to court,

and he was like walking, like shrinking down, like head down. And I told my boys I was watching the game and my wife was sitting. I said, he's done. That's it. he's done. I have not seen his body language like that all tournament long. He's toast.

It's not going great for him right now, and his body language dropped. But the start of the game, he blocking a little dude shouting, looking at him like he was crazy for coming in there. And now that body language, he no longer believes. And the next plays after that,

he end up, like, giving up a couple of offensive rebounds, which I hadn't seen him do all tournament. A couple guys drove to the lane and just got easy layups. He didn't even come over for the block. He caught the ball in the post and travel. And I'm like, I told y'all, like I could see that in his body language. And then, you know, when I tweet, I tweet because I just want to tweet, I never really read your replies.

And so I'm sure, though, like, I know how this thing works. And most of these people out here don't really know the game of basketball. So I'm sure if I did read my replies, they probably said something like, you don't know what you're talking about. He had 37 points. How dare you say he quit, blah, blah, blah, blah. He did his job. And the reality is...

He finished with 37 points. But it wasn't no Zach Eadie 37. It wasn't a dominant 37. What was dominant was like 20, 22. And then they bottled it up. And they was just like, you're going to just shoot these jump hooks. We're going to take all these other guys away. You're going to fight, fight, fight against this 101

for these jump hooks from almost a free throw line. And we're going to see if you can make him. He was not moving the guys. He was back and down. So he was taking far jump hooks. and on top of him not being able to back the guys down and move those guys and taking those far jump hooks, like it was killing their demeanor

and it was killing their spirit. And so as the game went on, Yukon opens the lead up. They're now taking the three away the last four or five minutes of the game, pretty much inviting them to throw the drive to the hole or throw the ball into Zach Eadie. And they drive, they're missing layups.

He's getting little putbacks. That's how he ended up with a double. double, that's how he ended up with 37 points. Like the last 15 points were kind of like garbage time. Like we're not giving up a three. You can have these layups. And so don't come to me with the, oh, he had 37. I see through that.

Was not a dominant 37. Shout out the number 35. And Klingin from Yukon, he started it off. And number 35 came in. Like, I don't care how, if I file out or not. and all these files, I'm just trying to get under his skin. I'm just putting up a fight. And number 35 did that.

And it was him that I saw that got to Zach Eadie. Like it was him that really got under the skin. Started with Klingin, but number 35 really got under his skin. And they did their job. And so I want to get those guys credit for the job that they did on Zach Eadie. Because when you always get the ball, you go on to score points. So you're never going to shut down a guy like that. that completely because you're going to get the ball so many times you're going to score some

points but i'm not buying that 37 that 37 was not the 37 that you all who don't know basketball try to tell me on my twitter he had 37 stop it that was not a dominant 37 and now i just showed you how to read somebody body language so if you want to go back and check out that clip and see at that moment where he was walking back and i said to my boys he's done and then then you want to go watch him after that, go watch. And you've learned your lesson today on real points and garbage time points. And real dominance and your number said 37. And how to spot blood in the water.

I just gave you a real tutorial on that. So I hope you all appreciate it. But more importantly, I hope you go check it out so you can see it. You can identify it as a different layer to the game on how you may see it moving in forward in the future. There you have it. Before we get out of here, we'll take a couple of mailback questions,

but before we get there, always fun talking about the mind-the-game episodes. Brian was recently talking about one of my superpowers is my IQ. But it's your IQ that creates the space. Draymond's biggest asset offensively is being able to know that guys are going to sag off them because they're daring them to shoot. And Draymond's smart enough to say,

you idiots, I'm not going to shoot the ball. Y'all playing so far off me to when I catch it in space, I'm going to find one of my deadly two guys, Clay or Steph, and I'm going to DHO to those guys and get a clean hit, and because you're so far off me, you're not going to be able to contest.

That allows me to play in space and make defenders pay for things that they do in regards to. regardless of being a knocked down elite shooter, which, you know, obviously Steve Kerr helped me out a lot with that and just giving me different reads and things that I can take advantage of. But I think that's an important thing.

And obviously, you know, playing with Steph and Clay allows you to do some things to take advantage of that as well. They get shots off so quick. So if somebody go overhelp, all you needs a split second to kind of get a piece of their man to get them a good look. And so that all plays into it. But nonetheless, it was a very interesting thing to me. I had to learn because like I told you all before, I had been a score of my whole life. Like I was never a defensive guy. I've always been a really good pastor, but I used to score to basketball. And so adjusting to that over the course of my career was an interesting thing,

but one that I appreciate because I think it separated me from a lot of other people. people. Brian also talked about a guard and Steph and why the Warriors always will have a chance because with that movement, with the force that he creates, people are always going to overreact. And you can never really rely on your normal defense that you work on all year long, that you play against, that you get so comfortable with that you play against most teams. There's always an adjustment when Steph is on the floor, when Clay is on the floor.

And so that opens up different. things for a lot of people. So that's something that we definitely take advantage of. And then I saw Bronn broke down the block. Man, you know, y'all take that. I probably want to talk about that block. But no, needless to say, Bron in the chase down block, obviously that's the staple of his career.

But what's, I think what's even more important is that his teammates can trust that he's going to, because he goes every time for it. And that consistency allows your teammates to not file. So obviously that was one of the biggest plays in history that I don't want to talk about. Y'all can save it and talk about that somewhere else. We're going to talk about some mailback question. Jackson, you got a few for them before we go. Yes.

Let's start with from at T.J. X5 in the spirit of talking about LeBron James. Can Brony be a successful player in the NBA? He asked about him being a star, but let's start with being successful in the NBA. Bronny 100% will be a successful player in NBA. Number one, he knows how to work. And if you don't think he know how to work, go look at Brony from his freshman year, sophomore, sophomore, junior, junior, senior. There you will see a kid that knows how to work because you can see the improvement in his game.

You can see the improvement in his body. You can see the improvement in his athleticism. At worst, Brony is an NBA level defender that can knock a shot down. So at worst, he's a three-and-d guy. Great. We got those all over the NBA. Can pressure the ball, can come in, at worst, be a backup point guard that can pick up full court that can put pressure on another team's league guard, whether that's their backup, whether that's their starting guard. He can come in and change the tempo on the defense event.

So at worst, he's a three-and-d guy. Three-and-d guys are highly valued in this league. three guys are higher the value that can't play no defense so three defense guys are definitely valued and brownie got a really good shot so didn't shoot the ball all that great this year but his mechanics are great he's always shot the ball great a bunch of different factors into why he didn't shoot the ball well this year i'm not going to overreact to that because i know he can shoot the ball and he can defend so Yes, I think Bronny will be a successful player in this NBA drive. I also think it's a smart, I mean, in the NBA,

also think it's a smart move for him to go in this NBA drive because this NBA drive is Basuta. This NBA draft will go down probably as one of the worst in history from a top talent standpoint. Now, I think when you get in this draft, you will find some guys from the 20s and 40s. Like, I think that's actually where the strength of the draft. is when you start getting in like the top 10 top 15 it's not your typical top 10 and top 15

there's not even a consensus number one pick last time there wasn't a consistent number one pick we ended up with anthony bennett that didn't go so well so don't think this is a great draft which i'm brawny i'm also taking that into account like this is not a great draft i can even move up even higher because of the lack of talent and then my name who i am what i am what I bring, what I can grow into. So I think it's a great decision, and I definitely think Bronny will be a successful NBA player. Next one from at K. Sizzle.

Who is your favorite young player in the league right now? My favorite young player in the league right now, I mean, don't we all love the thought of what Winby can possibly become? And the thing I love most about Wimby is he does it on both ends. affects the game in an elite way on both sides of the ball. Smite said something last week, like how scary is it that this is the worst season of Wimby's career? Very scary for everybody.

And like I said before, if Wembe never grows offensively, he's already an all-star bat NBA player. If he never grows offensively, because of how elite he is defensively, He's already an all-star NBA player just off that alone. So I got to be Winby and then for me, what is young, right? Like maybe under 25.

Is Lucas still under 25? I don't know, man, guys are starting to get old. However, Edman, love what he embodies, love his game. Love, like, you see them down and then he end up with 50. You know, like he takes on those challenges crazy, and he has the skill level and the athleticism and the star power and the mindset. He believes it. So it's Edman for sure for me.

Last one from at Watts Shai. What do you think about Coach Cal leaving Kentucky? So Coach Cal leaving Kentucky is an interesting one for me. And the reason it's interesting because I know exactly why Coach Cal left Kentucky. And the reason I know why Coach Cowell left Kentucky is because I was once committed to Kentucky when Tubby Smith was the head coach. And I'll never forget the day

I was standing in Saginaw High School gym and my high school coach Lou Dawkins put me on the phone with Tubby Smith who was his head coach in college and Tulsa many moons ago. And Tubby was at Kansas and he put me on the phone and Tubby told me Dremont I wanted to talk to you.

I wanted you to hear this from me first but I'm going to lead a university of Kentucky. They're not going to fire me. But every year, it's more and more scrutiny. It's getting harder and harder for me and my family. And I've just had enough. I need to get out of here. I need something fresh. I'm going to go to the University of Minnesota. We'll love for you to go with me. But I understand if you want to reopen your recruitment. Yeah, Coach, I'm going to reopen my recruitment. If I'm going to Michigan State, and if I'm going to go to Minnesota, I can stay in Michigan.

And so never really truly considered Minnesota. Like I never even took a visit there or anything or that nature. But that's where Cal is at. Like the pressure, the expectations at Kentucky, if you don't win, it's just never enough. And, you know, I've heard about him having a relationship with Tyson Food Group, the owner or that who's an Arkansas guy. You got the Clint's down there who's Arkansas people. You got the Walton's down there who's Arkansas people.

And so Cal going to be able to do what Cal does at Arkansas because he's going to have money behind him. And so he's going to be able to recruit at an elite level. And Arkansas will appreciate more of him recruiting at an elite level and not winning than Kentucky does. Kentucky don't give a damn if you're not winning. And so I think. it's a great move by Cal.

Job well done at Kentucky. You can't take nothing away from there. The amount of guys that he has put in the NBA to change their lives and their families' lives is unparalleled. So I think it's a smart move by Cal. I think it's a great move. You're going to get that bad,

but even more so than getting the bad, the access that he'll get off to court through relationships. It's huge. And kudos to Cal. job well done at Kentucky, my man. They can't take nothing away from me. It's been very fun to watch year after year how great Cal is at recruiter.

But, you know, it'll be also interesting to see who's Kentucky's next head coach. That'll be an interesting one. So we shall see. But Michigan State, we still got the great time is, oh, baby. Until next time, that's a wrap on this episode of the Draymond Green Show. Peace.