The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Dream Team, The Match, NBA playoffs, Tua Tagovailoa

Episode Date: May 26, 2020

Colin explains why Michael Jordan not wanting Isiah Thomas on the Dream Team made sense, why the ratings of The Match proves golf needs to change, why he is for a possible playoff format change in the NBA, and why Tua Tagovailoa will most likely start this season. Guests include Ric Bucher, Danny Green, Rashad Jennings, and Jack McCallum. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Today's the day I have 10 things in front of me I want to talk about. And how are you, Joy? I'm doing great. Yesterday, Memorial Day, beaches were very busy where I was at, people walking around, some masks, some not. Everybody giving everybody space. People were grownups in my community out and about, giving people room, some masks, some not, mostly not now. But it was great. It was a beautiful day on the beach in California.

It was a nice day yesterday here. It was really, really nice. So the Michael Jordan documentary is over, but there's been sort of a lot of reverb about it. and so Jack McCollum, we're trying to get on the show later. He's for IHeart Radio, he's doing a podcast on the Dream Team stuff. And, you know, there's always been that long story about Michael Jordan didn't want Isaiah Thomas on the dream team. And Isaiah Thomas, as we found in the documentary, there were a lot of people that didn't like the Piston style of basketball or Isaiah Thomas. Jack McCollum, legendary NBA guy for 30 years, covered it, said, no, no, no, no.

Michael did not want Isaiah Thomas on the team, and that's that. Here it is. No matter what you heard, there was never much of a chance for Isaiah Thomas to make the dream team. For this reason, mainly, Michael Jordan did not want him. I wrote that back in 1992 because a source close to the situation, no, not Jordan himself, told me that was the case. But Jordan's reaction to the question, do you keep Isaiah off the team, was either angry, No. Dismissive? No Isaiah questions, please. Or coy. Hey, I didn't pick the team. So what I went to interview Jordan for the Dream Team book in 2011, I wondered how I would nudge the conversation over to Isaiah Thomas.

But against all odds, Jordan went there himself, suddenly and without warning. And when they called me to ask me the book, Rod don't call him. See, Rob. If you didn't hear, he said, I don't want to play if Isaiah Thomas, is on the team. Yeah, so what? So what? LeBron James didn't want certain Lakers on his team two years ago and got him traded. That's not a three-week exhibition.

That's the league with a salary cap where you have to find other teams that will take the players. Michael was like, I don't like that guy. We got Stockton and we got magic. I don't like him. So what? You have NBA stars now. when you have to, in the NBA, to make a trade, you have to find about three teams where the salaries matchup. It's incredibly difficult for a GM when a player's like James Harden, I don't want Chris Paul here.

What do you do? It's hard. They had Stockton Magic. I don't like him. He tackled me for four years. I don't like him. Wouldn't shake my hand. So what?

Folks, the Olympics was a trip. It wasn't about winning. They were playing Tunisia. They were going to win. The average margin of victory was 40 points. It was a trip. And guys on trips, I can't speak for women, but let me speak for guys. We've all done it.

You're putting together a camping trip, trip to Vegas, golfing trip in Ireland. And there's that one guy you're like, he's weird. I probably wouldn't want to be with him for six days. He's odd. You think he's kind of strange? I've always had a rule with guys. You can't take four guys anywhere for any duration. You can take three, but by the fourth, one guy's,

got a weird something collection. One guy will fool around. One guy will be inappropriate. One guy doesn't get the joke. You just can't take four guys anywhere. It's the three guy rule. You go to Vegas, one of them's really cheap. You can't buy a nice bottle of wand.

One guy complains about money. One guy wants to go to bed at 7.45. One guy is rigid. Michael didn't like him on the team. By the way, Charles Barkley didn't like him either. And the next year, Charles Barkley won the MVP. So, The guys with the talent, MJ and Barclay at the time, two best guys are like, no, we don't like him.

Here you go. Folks, I've had, I've probably known a dozen guys in my life who have started a company, right? Or, you know, they're, some are tiny. There's four people, eight people. The two things guys look for. One, talent. But a close second, and often first is compatibility. It's called hang.

Is he a good hang? This was a trip overseas, crammed in buses, seven footers, dinner every night, lunch every day, practice every day. The games were not competitive. Like there was one that was marginally competitive. This was, do you want to hang out with Isaiah Thomas, who'd been part of a Pistons team that tackled people for three years? I mean, try to hurt people. It was petty, wouldn't shake anybody's hand. Sorry, Isaiah, be a better hang.

Be a better hang. That's on you. David Robinson was quoted recently talking about this. And David Robinson, we tried to find the quote. We couldn't find the audio of it yet. But he talked about it. He said, listen, man, it's basketball. Chemistry matters.

You got to get along with people. One bad guy blows up a locker room. And that's in the NBA where guys go home. But when you're going overseas for three and a half weeks, same hotel, same dinner, same buses, same practice. I have no problem if Michael Jordan said, we got stockton, we got magic, I don't want him. So what?

The rule in life, be compatible. What do I always say? Lubricate, don't agitate society. Why would you go on Twitter and poke, poke, poke, poke, lubricate life. You're going to get more offers, more job opportunities, make more money. Afford better schools for your kids.

Everything. Lubricate. Don't agitate. Isaiah was an agitator. And the better player said, see you. Bye. I'm done. And I'm okay with it.

So this was big news. I mean, not small news. The match with two old quarterbacks playing golf was the highest rated golf event in cable TV history. That means it beat early rounds of the Masters U.S. Open, British Open and PGA Championship. Two quarterbacks playing golf with gimmicky rules, alternating shot. Wake up, call for golf. Well, Colin, nothing was on. Netflix wasn't on?

Amazon Prime wasn't on? You do understand what people are watching these days. Right, old guy? Fox News wasn't on? CNN wasn't on? MSNBC wasn't on talking, I don't know, global pandemic and Trump. You don't think those have been setting records the last four years? Trump, cable TV.

That was plenty on. By the way, Tiger Woods. Remember the year he won the Masters recently? You know how many people watched that Friday Masters? 3.2 million. Quarterbacks got double the number. Old quarterbacks got double the number because they mic the players and they mic the commentators and they had on-course people talking,

and here's all you need to know about golf. Here's all you need. And by the way, the Tiger Friday, they got 3 million people. And Tiger won, remember? And we love Tiger. It got half of what Sunday got. Whoa, whoa, whoa. There was nothing on either, except, you know, a big Twins-A's game,

which got about 300,000 people. Nobody, nobody's watching regular season baseball. Now, they will now, but they weren't then. The point in, big guys. golfing events, big sporting events, it doesn't matter what's on. It's either engaging or it's not. Generally, if there's a big event happening in sports, you know, the late Sunday game in the NFL, there's not much on. NBA finals, there's not much on. It's the event. You're either interesting or you're not. And most golf isn't that fascinating. Be more fun. Lighten up. Pull the bifocals down

and your slacks. Lighten up. Mike a handful of players. You don't have to mic everybody. Find six guys like Justin Thomas, who were funny, Mike him. Have a golf cart and occasionally pull it up to a player and let him take it for 45 seconds driving up. You don't have to have golf carts everywhere. I'm not asking the masters to be Animal House. I'm not asking the, you know, I'm not asking the British Open to be caddy shack. What I'm saying is a golf cart, all miced up, driving around.

Occasionally stop it by and give it to a guy walking up a hole. talk and be funny. Golfers are unique. They're smart. They're funny. They've got opinions. They're political. They've made money. They've globally traveled. They're fascinating guys. Why don't I know it? Let me, let me hear from them. I mean, golfers are usually globally traveling. They've tried different food, different hotels, different airlines, different cultures. Probably got fascinating stories. You're playing in Dublin. You're playing in Dubai. You're playing in Tampa. you're playing in L.A. You're playing in New Zealand. Let's hear from them.

Again, nobody is asking golf to turn into the Phoenix open every weekend. Nobody's saying that. But here's all you need to know about golf. Dick's sporting goods gave up on the sport. Had to fire 500 PGA pros who were aligned with the company. Just got rid of them. Nike pretty much said, we're done. Golf courses last decade, 800 have closed. Not counting the pandemic.

800 have closed. Oh, by the way, many top country clubs begging for members. The reason the NFL is king is it's not too proud to improve. It's not too proud to go. You know, college football does some stuff. It's pretty interesting on Saturdays. NFL goes, you know that Vince McMahon XFL thing? He hate me.

We may not go there, but some of the camera angles, don't be too proud to adapt. Don't be too proud to evolve. When two quarterbacks are getting $6 million golfing and the Masters gets 3.2 with Tiger, quit being so static. Lighten it up. Mike, a few people. Mike, the announcers. I liked having a young lady at the box before guys teed off.

What are you thinking before you tee off? These guys are funny. I mean, they're well-traveled. They're smart guys. They travel around. They got money. They hang out all the time. Let's hear some stories.

Guy comes off the green. Have a mic there. What did you think of it? Have some emotion. If golfers don't want to talk, don't make them talk. But watch what would happen. Because they've got the hat on with the advertiser and the shirt on with the advertisers pretty soon.

The corporate sponsors would be like, yeah, you may want to talk or we're going to replace you with some other golfer. Golfers are so good. I mean, did you watch Tiger and Mickelson? I mean, they're just screwing around, barely practice swinging, walking off the tee, 325 exactly where they want it. These guys can't handle it. interviewing before they tee off?

Maybe not at the Masters, maybe not at the British Open, U.S. Open, but at the Buick Open? Lighten up, Francis. All right, good stuff. Packed today. By the way, Charles Barkley was on Dan Patrick show this morning. He talked about this.

If I'm the PGA tour, this is my piece of advice to them. If we're not going to have fans, they should mic the players. I really believe that. You can't just have guys playing golf and announcers talking. I think if they're

going to be successful and they're going to have great ratings. Number one, they're going to have great ratings that we need golf, we need sports. But I think they should consider making the players. Thank you. It was fun. Six million. And don't give me this. There was nothing else on.

Between the pandemic and Trump, cable news networks are double and triple the ratings they had five years ago. And Netflix and Amazon Prime and Hulu and all the, you know, subscription services are all flourishing. There's plenty of options at night. There's always something to watch on TV. There's 500 cable channels. Good is good.

Interesting is interesting. And it was. Coming up next, an idea that has been proposed before, but it appears it's going to happen. It's great. And it can make the sport better. This is really good news, potentially coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

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I hated it. They got rid of it. NFL is neither beholden to anything. They like, just let's make the game better for television. NBA's not quite the NFL, but they've introduced some things. Some have failed a new ball, the sleeve shirts, but the NBA is always willing to kind of like roll the dice, listen to opinions, listen to the media. What do people think? So one of the things it's been thrown out for years and years. And I don't think it's necessary, but I think it makes the league better. As once you get to the playoffs,

just go one through 16 seating. Forget East and West. Just go one through 16 seating. Now, I would think, ideally, you don't have to do that. But for some reason, and I don't have an explanation for this, the West is always better than the East. The West has better owners, better GMs, better stars, better roster. They have better winter weather.

Maybe that's it, guys in the off seat. Because the NBA is most. mostly been October, November, December, January, February is like 75% of the regular season. Maybe the good players are like, I'd rather fly into Phoenix in L.A. and San Antonio than I would, Philadelphia, D.C., Boston, and a blizzard. Maybe that's it. The only Eastern seaboard team that attracts free agents is Miami. Great weather. Aquawater. I've always thought weather has something to do with it. But, you know, you take out Pat Riley, you know, it's a lot of the GMs, they're all west, the good ones. The owners, the stars. 17, 16, 16 of the time.

top 20 players once again are West. Since Michael Jordan retired, the East has seven titles. The West has 14. And of the seven, LeBron's got four. If LeBron had been in the West, it would be 21 since Jordan retired. It would be like 19 to 2. I don't have an answer for it. The SEC dominates college football.

I have an answer for it. There's more good high school football players in the Southern imprint. They care more. They're more passionate. They pay their coaches more. NBA, I don't know. So here's the one through 16. if you did it today and you reseated the NBA

and Brian Winhorse reporting, a lot of people now in the NBA strongly considering a one through 16 format. I never thought it was necessary until about five, six years ago. You start looking at it and people talk about it and you go, you know what? I mean, even if I give you the teams and the matchups right here, Bucks against Magic, that's East versus East, one verse 16. Lakers versus Nets. Now that's a West versus an East.

You know, Clippers against Mavericks is 413. That's West versus West. Jazz Rockets. That's West versus West. Heat Thunder, east versus West. So it wouldn't change it dramatically, but over the course of time, you'd get more, I think, interesting and arguably fair matchups. And it's just the reality of it. The West, and I can't explain it, it's just for years. I mean, even when Michael Jordan was winning, you had the best team. The minute he left, it went back to the West. He stopped playing to go to baseball. It's Houston. And then he leaves. Chicago and it goes back west. It's the reality of the NBA.

So college football has done this. When I was a kid, AP poll decided the national championship. Then I'm in my 20s and 30s and it's the BCS poll. And now it's the final four playoff voted on by a playoff committee. Change, change, change. Get better, get better, get better, get better. The sports that struggle with change, golf, baseball, have lost some connectivity to their audiences. So I think it's smart. I think it's, I don't, you know, again, if the, if the Listen, if Janice moves west, like the rumors, turn the lights out in the conference. I mean, Ben Simmons had a girlfriend in L.A. If he moved west and Janus moved west, why do I need the NBA package?

Just have an NBA Western Conference package. I won't watch the East. Here's Joy with the News. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, questions about Cam Newton's help have likely impacted his ability to find another job since he's been released by the Panthers.

And in an interview with the athletic, his former teammate, Mike Tolbert, was asked if Carolina made a mistake waiting so long to release Cam, and he said he thinks they've been mismanaging him and his injuries for years. He said they've been doing him wrong timing-wise for the past two or three years. If you ask me, it goes back to his shoulder surgery.

Everyone knew his shoulder was messed up. But they wait until the off-season to get ready to start having shoulder surgery. It makes no sense. Oh, how about that? Yeah, I had a GM tell me before the draft or free agency. he said, you just watch him throw the last two years. It doesn't look the same. Like, he just doesn't look the same.

Well, he's got, obviously, a very unique body type for a quarterback. I mean, he's extremely big and muscular. And, you know, we've kind of moved towards a more finesse style of play when it comes to quarterback. Obviously, you're still running. You have Lamar Jackson. Patrick Holmes. You want to be mobile still. But you want to be mobile to the point that you can avoid hits and get out of bounds and get down.

And we know that Cam takes close. colossal hits. And he has been banged up the past couple of years. He said, Mike Tolbert also said that he could tell on tape that Cam's injury last year was serious. And he doesn't think that Cam should have played week one. So this is kind of the issue. It actually kind of reminds me a little bit of Odell's situation. When you come into a season injured, you're going to leave the season injured.

That's just how it goes when it comes to the NFL. You don't have enough time. You can't take weeks off, especially a quarterback position to rehab and get better. that's just that's not how it works it's not like the NBA where you can you know take a couple weeks off heal up and step right back in if you're the the top player it just doesn't work that way I mean obviously cam not being able to go out and meet teams has hurt his situation but I also think that the market has hurt his situation as well it's a saturated market when it comes to quarterbacks so he's a star he's coming off of injuries and the market is full I do think

he's going to end up somewhere this year maybe he could use this extra time to to heal up it might not end up being the worst situation. No matter how you look at it for this year, though, I don't think a Cam is going to end up in an ideal situation unless there's an incredibly unfortunate injury very early on to a major quarterback. I'll throw one out. Kyler Murray runs around, small guy gets whacked. Cliff Kingsbury has to win games.

That's a place Cam works. Like to me, if you start lining them up, who's Arizona's backup? Nobody I know. Like Kyler Murray's small and runs around. And unlike Russell Wilson, he got tagged a couple times last year, Yeah. To me, keep your eye on Arizona. Because that offense with Cliff Kingsbury, they like the movement part.

And Kyler can move. Cam and Arizona feels like it would work. Yeah, I think he should go. Arizona's not an option I thought of, but that's a good situation, obviously. And you don't want, we're not talking about these guys as if they're going to get hurt, but it's just a reality of the NFL. At one point or another, someone is going to get injured. If they bring him in before the season, though, it should be in a place where, of course,

it matches your starting quarterback the way that they play. the offense, which is why I think that the Steelers are still a good option. But again, it's, it's working against him that he can't go meet with anyone right now. So Russell Wilson's been overlooked a lot throughout his career, much to your dismay. And Seahawks, offensive coordinator, Brian Schottenheimer, thinks that he will turn that into motivation during the 2020 season. Unless you truly love the Seahawks and you watch the Seahawks, I think what he does just comes so naturally and easy that people underestimate him. And I know one thing. I I am thrilled and excited about 2020 because I think the chatter about the MVP votes motivate him.

He is ready to work. He's always ready to work. But he's the wrong guy to doubt, man. He is the wrong guy to say, nah, he can't do that because he will carry a grudge and he will work his ass off to make it go. I don't know that people are necessarily doubting Russell Wilson at this point. There's three things that happen. And this happened to Tom Brady. A, you come into the league, drafted beyond the first round,

second, third, fourth round. Brady, like, sixth, Russell, third. First impressions mean a lot. Secondly, you come into the league with a great defense. Brady did, Russell did. Third, you have what's considered an elite coach, Pete Carroll-Belichick. If you have those three strikes against you, later rounds, great defense, Hall of Fame coach, you are classic.

Well, I mean, it's somebody else. else is to it. Now, Patrick Mahomes comes in. It doesn't even play his first year. But bad defense, like right, right, and first round pick. That'll stick with him forever. Super Bowl or not, we were just, Mahomes is our guy. First round talent. Now, he's got a good coach, but he was seen as a guy that had to carry an average defense. Right. When you get the three strikes against you, Russell and Tom, I mean, until Tom Brady beat Atlanta, we thought Aaron Rogers was closer to the goat than Joe Montana. And then finally, Brady beats Atlanta, that great second half.

We're all like, okay. Yeah, we all just stopped talking about it. Okay, Tom's really, really good. We all admit it. I think Tom got a little more credit than Russell before that Super Bowl, though, because Russell has never received an MVP vote, which is what Schoenheimer is talking about. Not a vote. I think that Russ has moved into a different space, though, because I totally agree with you about,

especially the defense part. For the longest time, it was, oh, you know, he's got Pete Carroll and he's got the Legion of Boom. And then the defense kind of went. away. So there was a space there was like, I don't know, are the Seahawks done? Are they ever going to win again? And then they keep making the playoffs. They keep doing it. And Russell is there every year making it happen. So I do think that he will get some MVP votes this year, especially after all that talk. So Jamal Adams wants a long-term deal from the Jets, but that doesn't seem to be happening anytime soon. According to Ian Rappaport, the Jets do want to give him one, but they also

want to make sure the season continues as scheduled before diving into any long-term deals. There were also some rumors that the Cowboys would be interested in trading for Adams. But Rappaport says there isn't any traction on a trade to Dallas and the Cowboys would need to get Dax extension done before looking into signing any other player to a huge deal. He's got a two years left, right? Doesn't he have like two years left? Well, Peter King was on with us yesterday and he basically kind of nixed this whole situation, like basically saying like this is the kind of player that they need to sign to a long-term

extension. Like this is what the Jets need. They need franchise players. that if they're going to move off of anyone, they'll likely be levion, and they will keep Jamal Adams. I mean, I disagree with that. This is the NFL. The Jets sell out every game regardless.

Like, what they need is to win. And the question is, if you sign him for big money, can you fill the spaces to win? Well, yeah. I mean, that's, but you are also going to have to have big playmakers on your team. That's always the balance, right? Like, can you feel in those other spots? Of course, you have to be an organization that can spot that talent

that you can, you know, put together. but you also do need franchise guys that you pay a lot of money to who can be leaders of that side of the ball. And that's what Jamal Adams can be. I mean, we all agree he's an otherworldly talent. Like, he's an incredible player. So how much are you really going to get for him to make it worth not paying him? Which is what Peter was saying.

Like, are you going to get draft picks? Like, and then risk that you blow that draft pick when you have a for sure thing in Jamal. I would kind of lean towards paying him if I'm the Jets. Yeah. It's a good argument. It's good. You can make it certainly. it's one of those debates where there's a lot

you and I could go for an hour on it you could have eight reasons I it's not like a right thing no there isn't necessarily right or wrong because you can't determine that right now well and I also think the Jets have upgraded their their weapons for Darnold they have two tight ends they found one last year and they also went out they drafted

a wide receiver they got was it Perriman the kid they brought in so it's like the Jets wide receiving core is not pathetic if you could if you go running back tight end wide receiver the Jets are not pathetic anymore they've got enough weapons as long as Sam has time to throw, they can move the football. Right. Well, the offensive line is obviously a key piece of this. But you're also going to

this year get a consistent year of Sam Darnold. Like last year to me, don't even pay attention to what happened last year. He was out with Mono. Like, we knew the season was over for them very early. Yeah. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Lie News. A buddy, Rick Buecker, senior reporter, Bleacher Report. Also, Fox Sports NBA analyst. He is joining us via the Cowell Global Satellite. Brought to you by Mercedes Ben's the best or nothing. So Jack McCallum, legendary guy has a piece of audio where Michael's like, I don't want to play with Isaiah Thomas.

And my takeaway is, so what? When you're the best player in the world, and Charles Barkley didn't like him either, and Charles won the MVP the following year. So you can argue MJ and Barclay were better. And this was a road trip. This was a month-long road trip. And if you and I and three or four guys were going to go, and one guy was doing all the homework for the trip,

and he was doing all the work to organize a trip, and the guy said, yeah, I don't want to bring Colin. He's a weirdo. Well, then I'd be out. Isaiah was not a great hang. You had to be on buses together, trips together, dinner together, lunch together. You had Stockton Magic.

So my takeaway is, so what? What if Michael said you're not coming? I don't lose any sleep on it. Yeah, the misnomer that's been created here is that the dream team was the best players either in the league at the time or that it was the coronation. of these are the greatest players.

It wasn't that. It was a vacation trip to Europe with a group of guys that were the most marketable in the NBA. And that's how this was selected. If it was the greatest players at the time, I'm not even sure Bird or Magic make the team. They weren't all NBA.

And by the way, Isaiah wasn't either. These guys went gambling in Monte Carlo, then they went to Spain. It was all about hanging together. and the NBA reestablishing itself as the big dog on the porch in terms of basketball. We had been losing internationally and they needed to put the NBA back up on top. So they took the most marketable players. They weren't worried about winning and losing.

They knew they were going to do that. It was a matter of the impression that they made on the world about basketball in the U.S. And this is what I find fascinating about Isaiah, because if you look at all of his attributes, good-looking guy, well-spoken, from the heartland, played in Indiana, two-time champion, MVP, and yet he was not marketable. Do you know what his signature shoe was? It was ASICs. I didn't even know that ASICs made basketball shoes. So to have him on the dream team when you're basically going out, this was an advertising vehicle for the NBA. And then you have a guy who, one reason or another, you didn't mention Scotty Pippen, he's another guy,

just a lot of guys who were like, this is going to be awkward. And by the way, even before we got the clip from Jack McCullan's podcast, if you go back and you look at what Chuck Daly said when Isaiah didn't make the team, he said, yeah, you know, I really wish. I would have loved to have had Isaiah, Joe Dumars, and Dennis Rodman on the team. He wasn't stumping for Isaiah and saying he deserves to be on this team. He took a very politically nuanced approach by saying, yeah, there was a lot of guys from the Detroit Pistons that I would have liked to have on this team. I thought that spoke volumes long before I heard Jack's recording on his podcast.

Rick Buecker joining us. So the NBA comes out and says stories now. Now the 16 team playoff where you have East and West playing. I've said to you for many times, we've talked on or off the air. For some reason, the West has better owners,

better GMs, better stars, better rosters, and they have forever, forever. If not for Michael Jordan, you know, the West,

what did they just kept winning? I don't think ideally you want this, but I think in the NBA, you kind of need it. I like the idea. Your thoughts on it? I'm intrigued by it. I don't know quite yet whether it happens or not.

The mindset right now with the NBA is to look at this pandemic or the circumstances that the league is under and to say, look, let's not look at this as a disadvantage. Let's look at this as an opportunity to reinvent ourselves. What are the things that we've always been interested in, moving our, the, our, our, schedule as far as the calendar is concerned, having play-in games, receding or seating and doing away with the conferences. So all of that is being discussed right now. And it's one of the things that I appreciate about the NBA, and particularly now the ownership that you have. I mean, I dare say if you look at the three major sports, there are more new owners in the NBA than there are in any of the other sports.

And they come with not just new money, but new mindsets. They're not beholden to the way the NBA has always done it. They're looking at it and going, how do we make this the best revenue producer that we possibly can? And so I don't know if they ultimately land on that one through 16 seed for this summer or moving forward. But they certainly are considering everything. And the one thing that I haven't found out is I'm trying to,

just canvas owners and executives and get a feel for, you know, how much support is there for that? Because as you mentioned, it really does undermine the East. And by the way, it's the East once upon a time they were at the top. It's just been two or three decades. But the East used to have it. That's where the real basketball was played. It's just we've gotten a long ways away from that. And I do think that there is a danger in that everything would be tilted. toward the western part of the country. And when it comes to TV broadcast, that then becomes a problem in itself too.

Yeah, TV ratings collapsed when LeBron came west. Okay, finally, you talk to players. We're hearing stories. We're going to have a season. Can you confirm that? And what are the players saying? What are their concerns? Yeah, I mean, number one,

everything that I'm hearing is, and I kind of knew this once Adam left the back door open as far as, you know, if there was a drop dead date at the beginning or that they had to be done by a certain time not to interfere with next season. The reality is you can't really function in your next season unless you complete this one for salary cap and financial reasons.

So they need to find a way to put a bow on this year. That said, the players are open to coming back because they've got some revenue at stake here as well. But to go directly into the playoffs, they all understand that the injury factor is far too great to not have some sort of games. And that's really what the league is wrestling with at this point. Las Vegas is not going to be a site

because it's just too difficult to handle all of the logistics and to make it a closed bubble, essentially. I mean, you use the Magic Kingdom in Orlando. You literally have gates to get in. And so they can control that environment, which is why I think it's going to be the solo site for this. You also take care of a broadcast partner in putting it there. But the players want something, whether it's playing games,

whether it's exhibition games, whether it's some taking the playoff teams and having, you can't even call it regular season games, some sort of game, some sort of competition, 48-minute competition, just to get their bodies back in tune. It's still going to be a rough go. It's still going to be some sloppy basketball. It's not what we're going to be, it's not what we're used to in seeing in postseason

basketball. But the idea that you would go from training camp to playoff level competition, the players look at that and go, we're going to have soft tissue injuries left and right. We can't possibly do this. You need at least three, five, seven warm up games of some kind before you get to. to that intensity. Rick Buecker, good seeing you, buddy. Nice seeing you. Good to see you. Nice hair, by the way. Yeah, yeah, I'm doing myself. It's called the hand. That's what I, that's what I'm doing. That's what I'm doing these days. It looks like, thanks, Rick. Coming up next,

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But Davian, I have so much good stuff today. I don't even know if I want to use it. I want to save it for. FS1. We're on FS2. Well, okay, I'll use it. Whatever. It's good to have you in. So there's a report now from Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald. He talked to people in the Dolphins front office and they are more than willing to play Tua very early. He's not going to sit. They're going to just watch what happens. Therefore, he's going to play very, very early. This reminds me of, you know, when LeBron went to play for the Miami Heat. It's Wade County. This is Dwayne Wade's team. They had four practices. It was LeBron's team. Because LeBron has it. It. And I have a rule on it. If you find a really good athlete, but you can explain all of him, he's a star. But if you have a really good hardworking athlete and you can't explain all of him, he's a superstar. Derek Jeter, why is he so good

with awkward throws. Patrick Mahomes, no look passes. Why was Kobe such a great tough shot maker? Why doesn't anybody ever get a clean shot on Russell Wilson? Why is Brady better in the fourth quarter than the first quarter? It. Superstars. If I can explain all of you, even if you're really, really good, you're a star. If I can't explain all of you, Lionel Mavis. Messi. How does he, he's a, he's a superstar. Mark Sanchez and two NFL quarterbacks have come on my show in the last two weeks. Mark Sanchez first. Listen to how he explains to him. sometimes he can't even articulate what he did on film, and it leaves you scratching your head because it's so good and so fast and so instinctive, you're like, well, how did you know that?

And he can't really get the words out. Like, he doesn't even know. It's almost like he's processing what's happening physically in front of him. And in those nanoseconds, his body's already reacting. He's already making decisions that he didn't even know he could make that quickly, and he can't even talk about it. So I was like, what the heck is that? How did you know?

And it's uncanny the way he does stuff like that. So it's almost like he's mentally twitchy. It's crazy. I've never been around anybody like that. Colin, he is an it guy. He has the it factor. I like how twitchy he is. He has really good base about him

when he goes to throw all the time. I love that. He's very instinctual, a very instinctual player. That's something you can't teach or coach. The thing about Tua that you have to love is his competitiveness, but also you have to say,

hey, my man, we need you on the next play. We need you the next series, the next game. throw that boy away and let's live to play another down. He can't afford to have those injuries like he did in college, but that can learn with some knowledge and being coached the right way. But they both talk about it. They can't quite explain how he does stuff.

It's like Jerry Rice is the greatest wide receiver in NFL history. Many think he's the best player. It's not the fastest wide receiver. It's not the strongest wide receiver. He's not the tallest wide receiver. He's not the quickest wide receiver. He's not the most athletic wide receiver. Well, it's Joe Montana.

Well, that's interesting. We do homework on this show. Jerry had 92 catches at 40 years old with the Raiders. At 40 years old at wide receiver. Larry Fitzgerald is a former teammate of Y.A. Tittle. He's 37. Larry Fitzgerald, the first year in the league, they didn't wear shoes. He's 37.

Jerry Rice at 40 for a lousy organization at the time. They were good that year. He had 92 catches at 40. At wide receiver. Yeah, I understand the occasional right tackle, the occasional center plays late. Quarterback, maybe. 40, wide receiver, 92 catches, 1,300 yards. It.

Nobody can explain Jerry Rice. It. When you can't explain stuff, that is all-time stuff. All right, coming up next, Danny Green of the Lakers stops by. This will be interesting. Plus, changing is hard. I'll show you how hard it is with the three craziest things that were real in sports not long ago.

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Because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross. you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth? Are you a good person because you're afraid? Because that's two different intentions, bro. Absolutely. And that's two different levels of trust.

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Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam Jay. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack.

I'm down to talk about crack on day. Yeah, yeah. Literally. But just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you finishing that sentence.

I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, guys? This is Clifford Taylor the Fourth. And on my podcast, The Clifford Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff.

Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me. He goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Time out. Quarterback on office blue 42. Hey, rec, my mama want you to wave at her.

What? Hey, Miss Parker. Listen to the Clivert show on the IHeart Radio. Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Oh, here we go. Our number two live in Los Angeles. This on a busy day actually is the hurt. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening,

IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, Danny Green of the Lakers, their player reps going to be joining us in five minutes. Joy Taylor is joining me now. Joy, how are you? Good. I'm excited. It's looking like I might get an NBA season after all.

It looks like we're going to get an NBA season. I hope it's sooner than later. We were talking about this before we get to Danny Green of the Lakers. So the ratings came out for the golf tournament with the old quarterbacks. It got double the number that the masters got with Tiger Woods on the cable. You know, and people always make excuses. You're either interesting or you're not. You're either captivating or you're not.

It doesn't matter how many games go up against you. I mean, if you look at Fox's rating on Sunday for its NFL late games, there's four or five games going on. it still gets a huge number. Why? Because it's captivating. You put the Packers on against the Seahawks, it's captivating. The bottom line is golf was fun this weekend. They mic players.

They had people talking up to the tea off the green. They had golf carts. It was fun, and golf is, frankly, for purists, and it can get boring, rigid and old. That's why we like the Pebble Beach Pro Am. That's why we like the Phoenix Open. The Ryder Cup. Cocky, Trash Talk, Fun, Players Mike. That stuff, it works.

But I understand that. Change is hard, especially for older people, and golf has a older demographic that loves it, follows it. And so, you know, 16 to 27-year-olds, the viewership numbers for golf are not huge. NBA, they are, not for golf. So it's 55-plus that watch it. And golf is reticent, is reluctant to make changes. But change is hard. I mean, I'm going to give you three examples of things that existed for,

decades. The NFL loves change. They had goalposts, metal goalposts in the end zone in the late 70s. You know that place where guys are running around full speed? They had goalposts in the middle of the end zone. Players regularly, two of them running into them. Let's just put some thin pads on it. Players were getting hurt regularly running into end zones. We had a Super Bowl. Washington, Miami. Oh, ball's knocked down. I mean, look at the video.

It's laughable. It's a disaster. It's insane. This is not black and white video. It's in color. And the NFL finally changed it. How about baseball? Yankee Stadium, I'm not joking, had monuments in the outfield for years, in the 70s.

Damn, I missed that ball. I ran into a statue of Mickey Mantle. Big blocks of granite in the outfield. Again, not black and white video. It's in color. It's absurd. Oh, I almost had it. I ran into broke my rib cage running into Babe Ruth.

It was in the outfield at Yankee Stadium. Look at this video. And, oh, by the way, in the 70s, many hockey goalies still didn't wear masks. the puck goes 100 miles an hour. People have been injured in the stands 70 feet away from where a goalie sits. It wasn't until 1959, a goalie said, we should probably put a mask on. He was chided and shamed. They said he lacked courage.

Look at the video. Look at these pictures. It looks ridiculous. No mask for a hot mask. hockey goalie, a goalie. So change is really hard. I think I can't speak for women. I think women change more easily than men do.

Maybe men have always had more power in society, and they get their little fiefdom and their little real estate, and it's mine, and I'm not changing, and I got my country club, and I got my, put shorts on some golfers. It's 150 degrees in Tampa. Put some shorts on. Mike a dozen guys. A couple of golf carts. The players don't have to all have them.

How about one golf cart occasionally? Every couple holes, you put a golfer in the golf cart, you drive them to the hole. You know, golfers can turn the mic off if they don't want to talk. You have somebody at the T-box before they drive, somebody off the green after they pot. Golfers have personalities. It'd be nice to occasionally see them. I thought Brady and Mickelson and Tiger was fun. These athletes are well-traveled.

You know, I want to meet these guys. Well, also, golf inherently feels like such an... exclusive sport. You can't just go golf. You got to have clubs and you got to go to a golf course and you have a tea time and you have to wear a certain clothes. So there's a rigidity to it anyway that isn't

relatable to a lot of people. I mean, I don't know, lots of people who've never even been on the golf course before. I've never golfed. I've been on a golf course before. But there's an exclusivity to it too and that match removed that. It brought you inside of what goes on in a space where

a lot of people don't have access to. a beautiful golf course. And it felt relatable. It felt like this, oh, like, this is something, this is something I might actually like doing. Yes, that's exactly right, Joy. When you watched it, the medalist is this, you know, you can't afford to get into it. First of all, even if you could afford, they won't let, I mean, a lot of these golf courses, you, you have the money, they won't let you in. Bill Gates has been turned down to golf courses. Jeff Bezos has been turned down to golf courses. Doesn't matter of the money, you have to be a part of the club.

So for a sport that doesn't include people, you get behind the rope, it's like, I sat there. I played golf Sunday morning first time in four years, and after I watched it, I wanted to play it again. It made me love golf. I'm like, oh, I forgot. I kind of like golf. I like hanging out and trash talking guys and hitting shots. No, it removed the exclusivity of it. It brought you inside of something that, a place that most people do not go. Some people get it, some don't. Like, there's just some people listening to me like, no, it's this. Half. Tiger Woods Masters, half the cable rating of that. Let people behind the rope once in a while. I mean, I think the numbers probably should speak for themselves.

Yeah. He is a player rep for the Lakers alongside Jared Dudley. They give that to the smart veteran guys who want a say in what the league is doing. His name is Danny Green. He has got 11 NBA seasons, two NBA championships, and he had a three-point NBA finals record before that pesky Steph Curry broke it. And Danny's joining us via the Coward Global Satellite Network. All right, Danny Green.

a good guy to have on. Here, you are a veteran NBA guy, a player rep, you know the issue. So let's start with this. How long, Danny, you're a guy that's always been in shape. You play deep, you play both ends of the floor. But how long would it take you if the league said, okay, practice today? How long, Danny, would it take you to get in shape? For those that are, you know, actually staying in shape somewhat individually, because there's nothing that can simulate five-on-five. But for us to get into five-on-five shape, I would think it take at least two weeks for guys getting to playing shape. Those are not able to get into any type of gym or do use any type of weight room equipment.

You know, it's fortunate I've been lucky enough to find some places to work out and get some equipment. They're probably going to need at least, you know, three weeks. But I said for most guys, if they're taking it serious, I think two weeks is definitely fair enough for guys to get ready to play. I would say regular season basketball, not playoff basketball, though. So speaking of workouts, I've had this theory that if you're a very, veteran player, you've made some money, you've been around the league, you may have access to a private gym or your own gym on your own facility. For a young player, a young player in the league, he may not, you know, he may not have this house. So there's been stories that you're working out

with LeBron James. So is that true? There's a lot of stories out there, man. I think LeBron is quarantined and social distancing himself as best as possible like most people are. So, no, There is no truth to that that we're working on in groups right now. But we are, a good amount of us have been able to find some private gyms and be able to get some weight room equipment to our homes. So unfortunately, a lot of us in NBA, not just veterans or young guys, but everyone don't have access to a gym. We don't just have gyms connected to our house.

We don't have wait rooms connected to our house. So we have to kind of wait, just like everybody else, waiting for packages every day, waiting for shipments, waiting for weight stuff to come in to work out in my house, in my garage. but outside of that I've been lucky enough to meet and know some people close by locally to find a private gym to get some individual working by myself

but group work has not started but I know that LeBron's working out more than anyone else more than ever staying in shape because he's always ready I have no worries about my teammates most of my teammates I think our veteran and experience and know what it takes and knows the bigger picture here and it will be ready

for when the time comes when we return now there are people I'm one of them I think think, listen, let's just go to the playoffs. Get these guys in great shape. Three to four weeks, get you guys. Maybe you could have some inter-squad games, but let's go to the playoffs. Don't waste my time.

I know who's good and I know who's not. Do you believe as a player rep, could you sell that? That the season's over for three-quarters of the league. Let's get the top 16. Let's go. Are you cool with that? I don't think anybody's cool with that. Just against that type of intense atmosphere right away.

Even though I said, we're going to be playing without fans. It's still going to be intense. We're going to need at least, you know, I think most people around the league and around the world can agree that we're going to need some exhibition games. And I think we're at least five exhibition games just to get ready or into that mindset of that atmosphere of being on that high-intense level of playoff-type basketball. Okay. So let's get into this. There is a proposed change. And one of the things I think the NFL does real well, they're always willing to change rules to make the TV product better.

The NBA, baseball's not. NBA has made some changes. Some have worked. Some, a new basketball years ago, have not worked. But I'm okay with people trying new stuff. I like that. So there is a proposal out there is that we're going to reseat it. One through 16, doesn't matter east or west.

We're going to, and this is Adam Silver is like, you know what, let's make our game better. Let's not worry about east-west. Let's just go one through 16 and seat it. As a player rep, you like the. idea of that or not? I think any player and player rep is like an idea of any type of basketball who doesn't really matter as long as we're out there and be able to play again. And of course, for the fans, I think it'll be more fun and more entertaining. So it's an interesting concept. I'm open to new ideas like you are. It may not be great. It may turn out great. But I said I'm

open to it. I think most guys are open to it too just because they just want to get back on the court. So we'll see how it goes. We'll see what happens. I don't know any specific. specific details for sure. Nobody does. We're hearing it day by day just like you guys are. But it'll be a lot of fun knowing that, even though the fans aren't in the arena, but knowing that people will be able to tune in and entertain and watch these type of playoff series and something a little different will make it more interesting. You know, it's interesting. You have a unique position. You played with LeBron. I almost don't remember this as a rookie.

So he was right out of high school. Now, I do remember his first game. I remember the highlights. He was in Sacramento and he had like 20 points and he was really really good because I remember seeing highlights. I didn't watch it live. I don't think I could see it live then. But you played with him as a rookie and now you're playing with him in year 17. Danny, take your time on this. Like where do you see? Now he feels bigger and stronger to me. He looks like a bigger. He's a man now. But take his game. How is it evolved? What do you see? Well, it was not his rookie year as my rookie year. And I didn't get to play much. But knowing

and seeing him from then to now, you know, 10 years later, he definitely is bigger and stronger than he was then. He's more of a grown man than he still was in the prime time of his career when I was there on my rookie season. I think he's just smarter. He knows how to win.

You know, he's a better pro. Not saying he wasn't then. He was just, you know, very good at beating people with athleticism. He's still very athletic now, but he knows he doesn't have to at this point. He's smart enough to know his angles and choose his moments of when he needs to use it. So I said he just learned how to win when he went to going to Miami and winning some championships

coming back and then winning another one in Cleveland, which was ridiculously amazing. And now bringing this organization back to where the level it was, you know, when Cob was around. So, you know, he's definitely the same type of athlete, but, you know, smarter veteran, you know, individual. But yeah, it was, by the way. It was your rookie season, not LeBron's. my bad on that. When you go and look at the MJ documentary, I don't agree with this, but a lot of people are saying that Michael Jordan was too mean,

too intense, too tough, modern players couldn't play with him. I kind of laugh at that because I think to myself, you know, the late Kobe Bryant was not always the easiest player to play, but there's guys in this league that are not the easiest guy to play with. Winning is winning. What do you make of the Jordan documentary that you watched and the assertion

that Michael was just too rough on dudes, too much trash talk, and guys, wouldn't like playing with him today? I mean, I'd agree. I wouldn't say to me there's no such thing as too much of like too rough, too mean, from a player standpoint. Now, he was tough on guys.

It was a different time. There was a different error during that time. You're allowed to be more physical. You're allowed to, you know, have different types of flagrant fouls, different fights and still continue to play the game. And I think we don't get as much credit as players today. I think a lot of us prefer to probably go back

to the old school type of era of basketball. where we're able to play a little more physical and, you know, be a little bit more meaner. I think any of us can handle it. But, you know, it's a different world now. You know, it's a little softer all around, not just the leagues. But, you know, I think most guys can handle it. And I don't think, when I said, Mike was tough,

but I think most guys could probably play with that. Some guys probably wouldn't want to. But I think when they understand the bigger picture and able to succeed and win a championship, they'll be fine with it. So, yeah, I don't think Mike was too anything. But it is a different breed. It's an older breed that most guys are not used to or have ever experienced. Well, you know what I think it is, Danny?

I think when leagues are smart, they build their rules to help the most skilled players. And I don't think tackling in basketball is good. For sure. For sure. Agreed. And it's more of an offensive game now. So people want to see more scoring. And that's why there's less physicality, more fouls, more free throws, a faster-paced game, more threes, which is fun.

but as a guy like myself who consider themselves to take the defensive on the floor pretty seriously and a decent defender, you know, I would like to be able to have some more freedom on that end and not be called for certain things. I think everybody that takes pride in their defense would love to be able

to, you know, play some of that old school basketball. But, you know, it's an offensive player's game today. You know, I was thinking about this. I could make the argument that the Lakers, you guys got a great break. Because as bad as the virus is, it has shortened the season.

And veteran teams, you guys know the playoffs. LeBron's been in them, you been in them, Rondo's been in them. The regular season for older players wears a player down. We're going to get into the playoffs. You got high IQs, veteran dudes, well-rested, you've played in big spots, that in a weird way this shortened season, I could make an argument. You guys are the second oldest roster. It plays to the Laker strengths, arguably more than any team in the Lakers.

league, your thoughts on that? For sure. I think it helps not just us, but every team. Most guys get burnt out. Most teams do. I think in our case, it helps us to a certain extent, but at a point, I said now that we're so far out, that it kind of hurts us a little bit, hurts most teams because of the rust and because of the chemistry we had when we were doing pretty well at the time. So, yeah, it could help us to say the first, you know, a couple weeks or a month or so. And I think, you know, we only had but 19 games left. Most teams had probably between, you know, 16 and 20 games left.

So I think, yeah, the extra nine games or so, I think 10 games would have been great for us if we'd have kept in that same direction. But outside of that, there wasn't a lot of games left that we could have been burnt out. And I think the depth of our roster made it, you know, easier for us than most teams to be able to last a full season without getting burnt out. Yeah. By the way, the, you know, you've had a career where you've played in different spots and you're always relied on to hit the big shot.

Danny Green is the guy that can play both ways. He can hit the big shot. And for whatever reasons, veteran players just take over the playoffs. And listen, it could just be nerves. I mean, it's a humongous stage. Why are you so comfortable? And you have been since, like, San Antonio. And you played there for like eight years.

Why have you always been so comfortable hitting big shots in the playoffs, the conference finals, big games? I think it's just something that you have to be able to to get used to and grow up into. And I was lucky enough and fortunate enough to play with the Spurs. We're in the playoffs every year, playing in big games

and being trusted to take big shots, not just in the playoffs, but before that in a regular season. Once you're adapted into that and used to it, it becomes easier to just drown out the crowd and drown out the situation. You don't look at the situation as, oh my God, you know, it's a big shot. It's, you know, our team needs to win.

Every shot's a big shot. So you're used to playing it during regular season and in the playoffs, and you're not putting any extra pressure on yourself. So just being able to grow up in those type of atmosphere as mature as a player and to understand, you know, how important every situation is. And not putting extra pressure on yourself allows you to get more and more comfortable throughout the years. And as you become a veteran, you don't think about it. You just play the game and just know that it's the fourth quarter or this is the third quarter,

we need to close this quarter out or second or the half. We need to close a half out the right way. And, of course, fourth quarter, you know, you've got to lock it in even more and be more in tune and make sure, you know, you take the time when it comes to, when the shot comes your way, because you know, they're going to double team. The guys that are on my team, I'm lucky to play with guys that they can double team like Kawhi, a LeBron, Timmy, you know, so an AD, you know, so when those guys get a double team, just got to be ready and know to knock it down and just take the shot confidently. By the way, you and Jared Dudley player reps. I know Jared very well, very good guy. Very great guy. He's very funny. He is a very, very funny guy. He'll be a stand. stand-up comedian someday when he quits the NBA or broadcaster. Now, are we close?

You're in those player rep meetings. Are we close to making an announcement? Do you believe, Danny? Yes, I believe so. I think we're very close. But I don't want to give anybody unexpected high or high expectations to the people out there. But we have high hopes. I think we're very close.

And I think we're going to come to something soon to where guys at least we have some group practices, so we're leading the right direction, facilities have opened. We're doing individual work. Hopefully we can do some, you know, group work soon. And then hopefully they announce something where we can be at a location, where we can have some team practices and get ready to play some exhibition games. But I think we are close and people can, you know, hope for the best, have high hopes, but just don't expect too much just yet.

By the way, he's got a pot. It's called Inside the Green Room, Danny Green, smart dude. Been playing a long time two years now. It's available on all the major podcast platforms. You know where they are, folks. Isaiah Thomas, Roy Williams, James Worthy, he's a UNC guy. It's called Inside the Green Room. By the way, I don't know if you're in your house or something, but you've got a lot, is stylish.

So if you designed it or whoever designed it, I have no idea where you're at. But we like to sneak peek at people's places. Nice style. Thank you. I am at my home. It's my kitchen. And I did not design this. I did not style it.

It is a house that I don't own. I'm renting here in California. But thank you, man. I appreciate it. Yes, thank you for plugging inside the green room. We've definitely had some great guests on. And recently we had definitely talked to MLB and WMBA people about their leagues coming back as well. And we had some lighthearted stuff too with Mike Epps, a comedian to keep it funny.

And he's like you said, Jared Dudley, hopefully get him on again soon. We had him on earlier in the show. But we've had some good stuff, man. I appreciate you shouting us out. Danny Green, absolute pleasure. Absolute pleasure to have you on the show, man. Good luck, rest of the way. good luck in the playoffs. We're getting the season back. Thanks, man.

Thank you. Thank you. Good stuff. You know, it was great when you get guys on and they got, I like player reps. You know what I mean? They're in these meetings. They've got all sorts of thoughts and his career is fascinating. He's a fantastic career. Oh, he's got, and he's been like a big shot guy. He's like our modern Robert Orry. He's a big, he'll play both ends, San Antonio. You put him in, was it Toronto? You put him in Los Angeles. Like, I look at the Lakers. It's an old roster. They got a break. Those, legs got a break. Danny is definitely

a guy you trust in big moments. Absolutely. They call them Big Shot Bob was Robert Ory. What do we call Danny? Let's come up with a name. I don't know. I got to think about that. Goulet? Goulde. Goulde. Give us nothing but hockey scores. Why don't you rattle that one? If you got an hour and a half, Goulai, give me Danny Green's new nickname. Boom.

Big game green. Big game green. It's not bad. Although it could sound like Big gang green, which is a medical issue that nobody wants. Big game green's pretty good. Off the top of your head, too. Wasn't terrible by Goulet. Lower expectations, but nonetheless, not bad. We take a break.

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No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So if the NBA comes back this season, Damian Lillard had made it clear that he only wants to play if his team has a shot at the playoffs. He told Chris Haynes, if we come back and they're just like we're adding a few games to finish the regular season and they're throwing us out there from meaningless games and we don't have a true opportunity to get into the playoffs, I'm going to be with my team because I'm a part of the team, but I'm not going to be participating. I'm going to be sitting right on the bench during the games. He says he's in favor of a play-in tournament for the last playoff spot. If they come back and say it's something like a tournament playing style between the number seven and number 12 seeds and we're playing for playoff spots, then I think that it's perfect.

I just let's just get to the playoffs. I mean, what's the whole? You know, everybody's like, well, we've got to have games. No, you don't. You just have inter squad games. You can do NFL has exhibit. Just play inner squad games. Have eight minute quarters, play four or five of them in your practice facility in Disney World.

And just get ready to play. Well, Kevin O'Connor just put this out that the NBA, the NBA sent GMB, proposal for feedback on a World Cup style group stage to replace the first round of the playoffs. So it would be the top 20 teams put in five tiers drawn into groups. Teams play twice, each team in the group. And then

the top two teams in each group advance to a seven game series round. Isn't that a little complicated for the American consumer who's never watched that level? Well, I mean, I don't think you should dumb things down just because people don't want to level up. But I can't say that I disagree with

Damien because he is putting all of the players are putting themselves at a certain risk to come back and play, not only just because of what's going on, but also you heard Danny just say it. All the players feel like they need a significant amount of work to get back into shape. So for Damien to come back and put himself in harm's way, both physically because he's not at the level he needs to be at to start playing, but also because of the pandemic, I don't necessarily disagree with him.

Now he said he's going to come in there and be with the team, but I do think that they do need to have some exhibition games. But clearly those exhibition games need to be within the teams that are already there that are going to be participating in the playoffs. That's just what needs to happen. Intersquot games is not going to be the level of intensity that it needs to be to get them into playoff shape. I don't disagree with them. You can't just go cold turkey into this.

That's not a good idea. We don't want to see anybody get injured and then ruin their next year. But ask yourself this. So the dream team is our most beloved team. they went to the Olympics and just did practice and then started playing odd practice. They didn't have a bunch of regular season games. And if you have great players, world class professional athletes, and they are playing hard, five on. I'll give you an example.

So you come in, inner squad, you go eight minutes hard. Next day, 13, next day, 17, next day 28. Like every day you just give the players. And all of a sudden, after about four weeks, you're doing five on five. Yeah, I mean, I don't think that they need two months. Like, why do you need games? I said they need two weeks, but I do think you need, but even if they played, he said five, five games.

You play five games in a week, realistically, or 10 days. Like, that's not going to take a lot of time. We're not talking about the NFL here. It's basketball. You can play every other day. Let's not pamper. College football doesn't have any, they just do practice in the games. Like, they go practice.

But the issue is they have not been able to even practice. Well, no, no, I'm saying go practice for three weeks. Hard. Right. Hard. Why do you need games? I don't think it. I disagree with having to bring in extra teams. The whole point of this is to is to quarantine and keep it as small. Fewer teams, less people.

Just bring in the playoff teams, have some, have some exhibition games within the teams that are there. The NFL exhibition season, they don't have games before those games. Like the idea that you need games, we all high school, college, you practice hard. and as camp goes, you practice harder, harder, hard. And then you have scrimmage, like USC football. And then they go right before the games. They have an inner squad scrimmage where they hit, they hit, they hit. Then you have a game.

Like, I don't want to see Damien, not because I don't love him, but they're not a playoff team. So let's just. Right. And that's his point. If they have an opportunity to make it into the playoffs, like if they're bringing them to this group space where these teams are coming together to finish the season,

if they're coming there and there's an opportunity for them to make it into the playoffs, then he's going to play. But if he's just coming down there to just, you know, finish a couple games of the seasons and meet the TV quota, he doesn't want to play because he doesn't want to put himself at risk, which I don't necessarily disagree with.

They always say football games have to be played at full speed because it's dangerous, right? Same with hockey. Hockey and football-like... Well, I think basketball does too if you're going into playoff-level basketball. But, I mean, you can't half-asset in football or hockey. You can get hurt.

Well, they don't play a game before the first exhibition game. they practice into the game. That's the history of sports. But they do have those exhibition games. But they're still played at 100% speed. Right. And that's their point. Like they won a couple exhibition games,

played at 100% speed to go into the playoffs. But that can be done in a short amount of time. That can be done within two weeks. It doesn't need to be a whole other month or bring in teams that aren't going to make it into the playoffs. So Bill Belichick is facing a new challenge this year with the Patriots. Now that Tom Brady isn't his quarterback. And according to Foxx,

bet. Belichick is the favorite to win coach of the year in 2020 at plus 1,100. People are. Right behind him are Mike McCarthy and Bruce Ariens who are tied for second at plus $1,300. The best odds to win coach of the year. Well, I mean, you don't know. We don't give coach of the year to 500 coaches, even though you can make an argument. Taking some of these rosters, this nine and seven is coach of the year. We had, we were talking about Brian Flores.

be a candidate for coach of the year last year. I thought I thought he was, I would have had no problem with Brian Flores getting coached of the year last year. I'm dead serious. No, we had no serious conversations about it. But are we going to like this is a real thing? Again, I just, I still, I think that the Patriots are not going to be good this year. And I, I don't know why that is so extraordinary. It feels so obvious. It does. It's me too. They have no weapons. It's not a knock. It's just, it's not the team there this year. So Mike Tyson been training to get back in the ring and keeps getting closer to an official comeback. Bear Knuckle Fighting Championship offered him $20 million earlier this month to come out of

retirements and compete and fight for the organization. And they reportedly are prepared to make him another offer with even more money as well as charitable donations. We're showing a little video of Mike working out. I will say, he looks great. He looks great. I believe he's going to be 54 this month. Shannon Briggs also claimed that he will be Tyson's next opponent in the exhibition match. And the MMA star Tito Ortiz told TMZ Sports he's been contacted by Tyson, while Evander Holyfield also reportedly is considering a third bout with Tyson.

So it's looking like we are going to see Mike Tyson fight again. I'll watch. It's just weird. It's bizarre. I can agree with that. It's not a thought that ever crossed my mind that Mike Tyson would be fighting in an exhibition bout. but he hasn't competed since 2005.

He's got another wind in him. I'm going to watch. I am not going to miss this. That's for sure. It's interesting. It's obviously an exhibition match, whatever it is going to be. And obviously,

they're going to do something for charity. But, I mean, he looks great. He does. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. Always an interesting guy,

a New York Times bestseller, former New York giant Rashad Jennings around the corner. Some thoughts on the NFL season. Hockey's going to make a big announcement today. We're told in the next 24-48 hours. The NBA is going to make a big announcement. SEC's playing. We know that for sure.

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Although I will say I watch a lot of sports. I watch some politics. I watch a lot of news. So I turned on one of those Netflix like Amazon Prime Netflix things. last night, I'm over it. Like, I've seen everything. Like, I'm watching movies now. I didn't like the first time. I gave a show 45 minutes last night and I'm like, it's just painful. Give me games. Give me competition. I think that's why you're getting so many people turning to NASCAR. It's not just sports fans. We've all binge watched everything. Like in California, we have a different experience

than, say, you do in New York. We can get out. We have backyards. We have space. And in New York, you feel much more trapped in these urban environments. But, you know, vertical. living, you're jammed up in buildings. So for me, I want to get outside. I do feel like real empathy for people that don't have my experience. I can go to the beach. I can get out. I can move. I don't know where all my time

is going because I haven't watched the news once since the very first press conference since this started. All right. Rashad Jennings is now joining us via the Coward Global Satellite Network 8 NFL season. New York Times bestseller, dancing with a stars champ. All right, let's start with this. I hear,

I've been saying with Dak Prescott, 35 million dollars is way too much money Rashad. You disagree. Why are you supporting DAC at 35 million, which seems like more money than he's worth to me? Well, I mean, I'm not, I will first I'm going to start off by saying, I ain't going

to say I agree or disagree, but I totally understand why he's holding out right now. And he should. He should. No football is being played right at the second. Nobody's in camp. Nobody's taking hits. Nobody's running around. Everybody is at home with just

pandemic. So there's no need to actually sign the contract. So you are in the pocket where you should fight for as much money as you can. As a matter of fact, partly, I believe that is probably trying to set the bar for the rest of the league because to me, he's not the best quarterback in the NFL, but if he is getting the highest paid money at the quarterback position and in the NFL, while not being the best, he's setting the bar for everybody else to break the bank even more. So is that how most players think? Like you just got to fight for your money? And what's the balance between fighting for it and then holding out?

Right. So you fight when you're in the position to. Now, holding out is completely on you. And right now, he's in a position where he can fight, right? Like there's no football being lost. The only people that he's losing is his fair-weathered fans that are saying, you should be wearing a cow. You're a cowboy.

You should go out there and make us look great. and win that's a championship. But at the same time, and I get those fans on I respect it. But at the same time, DAC is going to push it until the limit as he should, right? Because when football starts, that's when he needs to show up and play. He doesn't need to show up and play right now. And until then, I don't see why he should be out signing the contract that he isn't getting his full value at.

You know, there's a story today that Tua is going to be given an opportunity to play very early. And I think he's really special. I think he has a lot of it traits you can't explain. I think you're going to watch him for about four practices. And the Dolphins coaching staff is going to go, okay, this guy's really good. We're going to get him on the field. Go through your NFL career. How long does it take to see a young quarterback or a young player and know Rashad?

Oh, yeah, we got to get this rookie on the field. This guy's really, really good. How many times you have to watch him play and practice? One. I'm telling you, when we saw, so I, I, remember just even Odell when he came when I was in New York and me and a couple of players was on the sideline and we were doing OTAs everybody was just running slants. He ran the first slant I watched, right? He missed the ball. He dropped it. But when he dropped it, I looked at Peyton Hillis and said,

hey, that kid is going to be special. Like, I've never seen a kid run that smooth. He dropped it, but we still knew at that moment he was going to be special and dynamic when he got a chance. I think they're probably going to see the same thing. But I got some doubt with the dolphins and them trying to evaluate quarterbacks and put them in the right position. I mean, they brought in Josh Allen. I mean, excuse me, not Josh Allen, but Rosen brought in Josh Rosen the first round draft pick and couldn't do nothing.

They let go of Tannenhill because he, I guess, wasn't good enough for them, but he goes to the Titans and marches them down to playoffs. So I got some doubt. in them evaluating the quarterback position. But I think they got two guys they're going to be able to play with because I like Fish Patrick. I think he's very underrated. I think you can win with him. He's just one of those guys that you just want on your team.

So I think Fish Patrick is going to be happy to help to become a dynamic player in the NFL like he can be. By the way, GM anonymously said yesterday, three minutes left. He said CAMs declined physically is obvious. Do you think that's why nobody's giving him a shot? Nobody. I would say no because his decline is still above everybody, a majority of other players. So I wouldn't say is that it probably has something to do with, do the GMs believe he's going to come in with the right attitude? Do we do the GMs believe he can lead a franchise?

And how much is he asking for at the table? I think those play a value because, you know, I can't think of a franchise that wouldn't want Cam Newton on their team for the same amount that Andy Dalton as asked for with one year or $7 million. If you can tell me that there's no teams that will want Cam Newton one year $7 million, I would say you tripping. I think I honestly think this, Rashad, I think GMs want a certain personality at quarterback and they'll give James and Nick Foles and Marcus Mariotta a shot. maybe more quiet. I mean, Marcus Mario da, it's like, doesn't talk. But they don't want potentially a celebrity backup.

And he's a huge celebrity. And I think GMs don't want a celebrity backup. Your take on that. That's a good point. He is a celebrity, and he does bring in a lot of attention. And his personality asks for attention. You know, that's what the camera likes. So I don't think he's doing anything overly above and beyond.

for the attention. It's just who he is, begs for attention. And so if that's your backup quarterback, you do want to check his attitude first. And I mean, I personally don't have any problems with his attitude. I don't know what it is right this second,

but his character is always showing he's a very hardworking guy, and he can play football. And so at the end of the day, you know, it's very little as a GM that you're going to play your balance. All right. How much value does this guy bring to the table

on the field and how much of a headache am I going to have to have off the field? Well, if you're winning, nobody cares. That's just what it is, right? And he's a winner. I think as a backup quarterback, there's, now he wants to be a starter, first of all, but him going in as a backup, I can't think of too many backups is better than Cam Newton. Fair point. Rashad Jennings. Have a good day, buddy.

Thanks for stopping by. Appreciate it, man. Talk to you soon. Yeah. I still say Arizona's my dark horse. They run an offense where they want an athletic quarterback. They have a college coach who, by the way, Cam was a rock star in college. You can move the pocket with Cam.

To me, Arizona, Kyler Murray goes down. Kyler took a couple of hits last year. Their offensive line in Arizona is still not great. I don't even know who their backup is. I don't keep track of backup quarterbacks. I know the Raiders have Marcus Marietta. Is it Brett Hunley? Yeah, Cam's better than Brett.

I like Brett. I know Brett, but I would take Cam. And so Brett, Brett, frankly, feels always felt more pocket to me. Kyler's move-around guy. Cam's a move-around guy. I think Cam's really tough to defend when he moves around.

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Our next guest is an encyclopedia of basketball. He wrote for Sports Illustrated for 30 years. He is still a contributor. 15 years ago, you got the Kurt Gowdy Award, Basketball Hall of Fame, Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame, author of, again,

10 books, a sports writer, dream team tapes available on IHeart Radio as a new podcast. He has interviewed everybody, sat down with everybody, there's not a lot of Jack McCallums, and he is joining us via the Coward Global Satellite Network.

So, you know, it's funny watching the MJ documentary, Jack. I don't know if I learned a lot, but it did amplify what. I knew. And there were some little secrets. And listen, I, I love Michael, but he's competitive, Michael Jordan. And sometimes Michael contradicts Michael. So let's go back to the Isaiah thing. You have proof that Michael said he's not playing on my team, right? You got proof. Does it bother you? Does it bother me that I have the proof? No. No, it bothers me that probably Michael

may hear about all this. And I fear he's going to be looking at his laptop one day and go, Jack McCallum, I have no problem with Jack McCallum. That's how I picture Michael answering every question these days, you know. When I went to interview him, the tapes are from the book I did in 2012, Colin. So when I went to interview Michael, it's obviously one of the things you want to ask him. And he brought it up himself. And he kind of backed into it because the backstory is that during the Olympics qualifying, John Stockton got hurt. And it looked like they might have to replace him. And Michael started talking about that. And he said, man, I thought they were going to get Isaiah to replace him. And I had, then he said, and I had told Rod Thorne in the beginning,

I didn't want to play if Michael, if Isaiah was on the team. And it kind of like shocked me. Rarely does your interview go better than you think on the tough subject. So look, there's a whole reason, if you want to talk about it, there's a whole couple reasons why I think Michael either avoids it, obfuscates, or kind of downright lies about it. I have my opinions on that. What are your opinions?

Why won't he confront it? Well, because I think he, it's being presented kind of like Isaiah was a dead, solid lock on the dream team. And Michael came along and went, no, we're kicking him off. He can't be on it. That's not what it was at all. I mean, there was never a lot of locomotion to get Isaiah on the dream team. You know, things happened fast in sports. And that team was basically decided upon May, June, July, August of 91.

By that time, the Pistons were no longer the Kings. Jordan's Bulls had surpassed them. By that time, Isaiah kind of had acrimonious relationships with a number of players, not just, you know, it's not like magic leapt to Isaiah's defense. It's not like Chuck Daley, his own coach, who coached the Dream Team, left to his defense. I think Jordan feels he's out on this kind of island where he alone kept him off. And all I can tell you is that Jordan said he wasn't going to play if Isaiah was on the team. And was that a big contributor, of course. But there was not a whole chorus of, okay, this is injustice. We got to get him on

the team. That is not the way it was, not at all. Jack McCallum joining us. You know, there was an interesting quote, and it's got its own mythology. I don't believe it, that MJ players today couldn't play with MJ. I just want your perspective. I think players like to win, but Michael is different, and it was a different time. What's your perspective on stars couldn't play with Michael? Well, the sort of, let's say, aggressive behavior that Michael showed toward his teammates was kind of directed at I mean, Scotty in his time. And Scotty, when Michael was doing that, Michael always treated Scotty a little bit like a kid brother,

even after Scotty became a dream teamer, you know, one of the 50 greatest players ever. So there was always that sort of big brother, little brother relationship. So if Michael were on a team with LeBron, Durant, Westbrook, Hardin, would he treat them a little different? probably i think he would still want to be that king of the hill um but in answer to the question would they have taken the same kind of abuse that michael gave to b j armstrong will perdu um

you know bill cartwright no you know you could ask whether michael would have doled it out to the superstars but the way things are today i believe they would have got a season worth of it and go, I got to be somewhere else, man. I'm not hanging around for this. I didn't sign up. Right. You know, Jack, you have such a unique perspective. I mean, you're not only recovering guys, you know, 70s, 80s, but you're still writing today and you're still active.

And, you know, there's a lot of LeBron MJ debate talk. And I work on a show and a network where we do that stuff. That's what we do, right? That's sports. That's sports. That's what it should be. You get tired of it. I'm sure you do more than I do, but that's why we do it.

Right, right. LeBron is the great Swiss Army knife. I've said that before. He does more things well than anybody I've ever seen. Michael's the greatest individual, offensive, defensive, relentless player. But they're both legends. But when you look, go back to when Michael came in and when LeBron came in. Did you know suspect Michael would be this good?

Did you suspect LeBron would be? this great? I guess I had my doubts about LeBron. I had more doubts, the way I can recall it, it's a long time ago now, Kyle. The way I recall it was I had more doubts about LeBron. I did a story on LeBron when he was a rookie. And at that time, he was coming in. He was changing things around. He was getting rid of his, you know, this sort of scholarly brand of old school Cleveland advisors he had. He had. He had a couple lawyers. And, oh, no, I'm going to do my own stuff.

I got my guy. You know, I have Maverick. Everything's okay. And I got this under control. And I thought, I just saw a lot more potential off the court. LeBron's not going to be able to handle this. He hasn't had the Dean Smith mentor like Michael had, hasn't had the stable childhood with Dolores and James, the way Michael had. in that respect

LeBron James is one of the most incredible athletes I have ever seen between surpassing what you thought could have happened to him, you know, just as an individual, and compared to where he is. I mean, the guy made almost no missteps.

None. So I, from that standpoint, I had many more doubts about LeBron. And whatever doubts you had about Michael, he was so good, you know, right away, whether or not the league needs. needed that kind of firing up, whether the right place at the right time, whether his style came along and the league was a little stuffy. I mean, you know, showtime was going on when

Michael came in. But Michael was so good so early that whatever doubts you had were dissipated, you know, right away. Yeah, he's so dynamic. Jack McCallum joining us. When you look at this league now. I saw today they're considering going one through 16 seating and doing regardless of conference. I don't think that's ideal, but I'm a big believer in adapter dies. So, Jack, I can't figure something out. I theorize a lot.

I've got all sorts of theories. Most are ridiculous. But I got a lot of them. Well, theories, you don't have to, that's why they're a theory. They don't have to be correct. They're just a theory. That's why I like them. I can be wrong.

Yeah, exactly. Why has the West for 30 years been so much better? Because I do think receding now, regardless of conference, makes more sense because I think the East is less interesting. Is it because the West has better owners? Why has the West been so dominant for 30 years? What is it? I think one of the things, I mean, obviously they should get, I'm not sure there's one out of 10 NBA fans. First thing they could do would get rid of divisions.

Anybody that still puts up their division, well, or the Atlantic Division titleists to me, They could certainly go. When I look at standings, I just go to conference. And I certainly believe in, you know, believe in reseedings. So far as better owners, different owners, I would have to really think about that. You know, the West has an amazing brand of diverse owners during the time. I mean, they have, you know, you had Jerry Bus, you know, Playboy chemist real estate guy. You had Peter Holden, San Antonio, sort of this close to the business.

vest conservative guy. You had Larry Miller in Utah who sold cars. I mean, they've done it if it's owners. They have an amazingly diverse bunch of people that have kept these teams near the top. Geez, beyond that, Colin, I would have a hard time deciding, you know, what it's been basically since Michael departed from the league. It has been a Western Conference League, but I haven't developed the theory on it yet, but when I do, I will let you know what it is. Back to your Dream Team podcast. Jerry Krause was the villain overwhelmingly. Is that fair, Jack? Well, no. I mean, I do not see, I was kind of happy and I was surprised that Jerry got that much the reaction of the first four or five episodes of this podcast was pretty much, you know,

largely on why are they crapping on Jerry Krauss so bad and he can't defend himself, you know, now that he's not with us. And that's valid. I mean, if I write a story about someone who is dead and it's a negative story, yeah, you probably got to pull your punches a little bit because that person is not there to defend themselves. The only thing I will say about Michael and Scotty's sort of almost rabid dog, you know, dogging of Jerry Krause was that this idea of cooach and the way Jerry favored cooge, that was absolutely true. Because I remember, you know, times during the 91-92 season gone to talk to Jerry Krause, and all he talked about was cooge. And I thought that was odd. And Jordan has always had this thing about,

loyalty. Now, maybe it had to be loyalty on Jordan's terms. I'm loyalty to Nike. I'm not wearing the re-boxing, you know, and his thing with Krause was that this showed some kind of lack of loyalty to talk about this guy who wasn't even on our team, who did not go through these battles with the pistons and finally win it in 91. So that, I want people to remember who thought they were a little hard on Kraus, that that was really true. However, I would give the nod to the documentary going a little bit too heavy on Kraus. I didn't think they needed to show that final press conference at the beginning of maybe episode eight with him walking off the stage and, you know, after he wouldn't answer a question. So it was a little rough on him, but Jerry had his moments when he deserved some criticism.

Scotty Pippen was livid reportedly at how he was presented. Did you think the documentary was fair to Scottie? I thought so. It's interesting about the documentary. There was 10 hours of documentary, and there's been a hundred hours of, you know, a cottage industry of reacting. That's kind of what we're doing now. I thought Scotty, I thought he came across, you know, pretty well. And they had to cover the moment when he wouldn't go into the game. And I thought that was Scotty's only bad moment on it. You know that he regrets it. And from the stories that Bill Cartwright told and Steve Kerr told about them breaking down afterward and even Scotty breaking down, Scotty could have used that moment on camera to say, okay, I do regret that. But perhaps

he was taking a cue from the whole documentary. It was sort of the no regret tour. You know, Michael kind of set the tone. And that was the one moment to me. Scotty came across badly, but that was Scotty himself doing that. So I thought it was kind of fair to him. But I don't know. You know, when you're the subject,

when you're the subject of something and when you're in it, I'm sure you've known this. You've probably got criticism that you thought was unwarranted. And other people thought it was fair. I'm sure that's what Scotty was. But I thought it was okay, just personally. Okay, they're called the Dream Team Tapes. They're available on IHeart Radio.

They're getting all sorts of downloads. I went and checked this morning. It's doing very well. Jack McCallum, sports writer and author, in our business, a legend, the podcast, the Dream Team Tapes. And it's just been a pleasure. And I love that you're still working and kicking it and doing stuff.

And your context is invaluable. And I've been reading you for years, Jack. Thank you. I want to hear Animal House and the Masters. That's what I can't get out of my mind. You mentioned, uh, I, I totally want to see green coats and animal house. That I would pay to see.

Great seeing you, Jack. Jack McCallum, good stuff. The Dream Team tapes. Here is Joy. I love these long interviews. So much fun. Joy Taylor with the news. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. Well, Tua has some big shoes to fill as the future of the Dolphins organization. Dan Marino was obviously incredibly important to Miami. He's still the man down there. I actually call him King of the Dolphins. Who does? I call Dan Marino King of the Dolphins. Is that your name?

Yeah. Every time I see him, he loves it. I'm like, King of the Dolphins. And that's what you say to him when you see him? Yeah. And what does he say to that? I mean, he laughs. I mean, it's funny.

It's a ridiculous thing to say. But I mean it, though. Anyway, there has been a superstar void since Marino has retired. Obviously, there's been some stars. You know, my brother. superstar. Jimmy Johnson. Hall of Famer.

Jimmy Johnson is a star. Ricky Williams. There's been some moments, but Dan Marino is obviously the guy there, and the hype surrounding Tua already has expectations for his career, very sky high, especially with a team that's very hungry for success. But even with the pressure

of being in Marino's shadow, Ricky Williams says that Tua has the potential to be a big part of what it means to be a Miami Dolphin for a long time. Dwayne Wade also waited on it, obviously a superstar. in South Florida and a legend there. He said if the dolphins get it going,

it's going to be a Dolphins town. We did as much as we could to make it a basketball town. And the Miami Heat is there to stay, but let's not get it twisted. Florida is football. Once they get their bleep together, they're going to be bigger and bigger.

But for those heat guys, Bam out of Bio, Tyler Hero, it's going to be a battle for him and he's got to earn it. It has somewhat swayed into a heat town because of the recent success. Well, they've had stars, too. Right.

But I would agree with Wade. At the core of it, it's in Miami town. Obviously, you know, we had the unfortunate passing of the legend of Don Chula, who established the winning culture and everything in Miami in South Florida. But, you know, winning is what matters. We talk about this all time in Los Angeles. Miami is a place. It's a fun place to live.

There's a lot going on. There's sunshine. There's beaches. There's stuff to do. It's international. It's international. You have, you use your, you know, entertainment dollar wisely when there's a lot to do. When there's not a whole lot going on in town, you're the only show in town.

Everyone knows where you're going. That doesn't mean there's not hardcore fans there. But if I have the option of watching a game that they're probably not going to win at the Tiki bar or going to the stadium. The difference between L.A. and a Miami. When you compete against the weather, the beach, and the beautiful people, fans love their team. But the minute you're average, they're out. In Cleveland, you can be crap for 20 years. What else is there to do?

But in Miami and L.A., the minute you're average, I got a beach. I got, I mean, it's 79 degrees, aqua water. It's hard to compete with. And if there's another show in town that is competitive, for example, the Miami Heat, that's where all the city's energy is going to go out. I've never understood people bragging, I'm a great sports town. That just means you have nothing else to do. The places that have a lot to do beyond sports, they bail on crappy products.

I don't like the fan police anyway. Like, at the end of the day, this is entertainment. Like, that's what sports is. You don't get, like, extra fan bonus points. if you show up and watch a terrible team. Like, you know, we give you credit, but that's about it. But I do think it comes down to this with Tua and, and Miami. Tua already has the star power.

We know that. He's got the jersey sales. He's got the buzz. We talk about him all the time. We were talking about him before the draft. There are some expectations on him. But if he goes out and wins it, it's his for the taking. And you were talking about it last week.

USC, University of Miami. There's just certain places where if you've got a star, it puts you on another level. part of the reason why LeBron came to Los Angeles. It's just what it is. It elevates you already. So he has a platform. He's just got to do the winning on the field. So Tom Brady announced he will release a documentary about his career called Man in the Arena in 2021.

Producer Gotham Chopra explained to Albert Breer. The series will not follow Brady the way that the last dance followed Jordan during his final season. Each of the nine episodes will focus on one of the Patriots Super Bowl seasons. Oh, that's a smart way to do it. That's interesting. He expects that Brady's personal life will to be only addressed in how it affected him as a player. So maybe not so much of the personal life influence in the documentary, more of football stuff. Now I'm into it.

And he said that they will address SpyGate Gate and Afflate Gate. I think I should be brought in to ask those questions because I think I'm America's anchor, man. America's too true journalist. I think people look at me as America's media. icon. Yeah, that's exactly what I am. Yeah. America's media icon, I think, is well-framed and timely. I mean, not to gas you up, but I do think it would be fair for them to have you come in and ask questions. Yeah, and most America loves me, so I wouldn't get in the way of it.

He said he's very candid and he's willing to speak about stuff. The interview process is already underway. Drew Bledsoe's the only one that they've landed so far. That's it. Belichick is on the, well, one interview that they've landed so far. Remember this isn't coming out until next year. So they got a little time. I'm available. Colin is available. He has some extra time on his hands. Not having me and Tom Brady's.

This would be like in Michael Jordan. It would be like them doing a Russell Wilson documentary and not having you in it. It's ridiculous. It would be not having Pippin in the MJ documentary. I mean, it would be egregious. Exact same thing. Belichick is on the list of people they will pursue. And there's no plans to include the 2020 season with the bucks at this time because

they're focusing on the Super Bowls that have been won. So it's kind of interesting. It's a different approach. It's not going to be exactly like the MJ. I'm not petty. If I'm not in and I'm not watching. Finally, Andre Drummond is giving back during this hard time at a restaurant in Florida over the weekend. He left a $1,000 tip.

I saw that. On a $164 check. Love it. The waitress said she didn't know who he was until she went to close out the bill. And she said she was shaking and had tears of happiness when she saw how much she had tipped her. Love it. Chad Johnson also did the same thing at a Florida restaurant. He left a $1,000 tip on a $37 tab.

And he wrote a little notes. Congrats on reopening. Sorry about the pandemic. Hope this help. I love you. Love it. Every time somebody does that, we should put it on our show. It's very sweet.

Andre Drummond, thank you very much. You have class. I don't know Andre Drummond, but I'm watching. I like him now. That is awesome. It is very nice to do. I know you. You could come on the show too.

You're crazy sometimes, but I'd still bring you on. If anybody does that, we're putting them on the show. And if you are getting takeout right now or delivery, make sure that you're tipping. People are working very hard. You know, I will say this. The people I know are. and I'm not saying just me, but I am and I think you are.

Everybody I know that is getting takeout, we are, in fact, it's funny because you get called by the restaurant. Are you okay with your tip? Yeah, that's why I put it on there. America's doing this. You're seeing a lot of this. In communities that are luckier and more affluent,

the waiters and waitresses are being tip well. I can just tell you people that I talk to are tipping well. Well, I mean, obviously these are people that have been greatly affected by it, not salaried employees. And of course, you know, you love these restaurants where you spend time and go with your families. I miss them. You want to stay open and, you know, support your local economy.

So it's a really, really nice thing to do. I think we should do a poll. Would you watch the Brady documentary if I'm not in it? It'll be like one of those 90-10s, no. I'll be, it's, listen, you want to get ratings or not, you know, whatever. Yeah. You know, I don't think we have time for our next segment, do we? I don't think we do.

Let's just hold it to tomorrow. Let's just do it for tomorrow. I got stuff. Yeah, let's do that. All right. We're going to come back here in a second. It's a good segment, but we just got busy. No, it is.

It's too good to rush through. Yeah, that's right. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the I Hard Radio app. With everything going on, probably worrying more than ever. Relax, 50% off, MDrive Relax. Check it out, MDrive Relax.com. I just knocked out a sandwich. I barely had any time to do that.

You just ate a sandwich in the break? No, what's wrong with that? It was a small sandwich. That's, I try not to eat during the show because I don't want to get, like, stuff in my teeth and all over my face. That's just going to be somebody else's problem. I can't see them. What kind of sandwiches are there? Roast beef.

Oh, that's so good. I know. My wife doesn't let roast beef in the house. Yeah. I'm on a meal plan right now, so roast beef sandwich is not a meal plan. You and Whitlock. What the hell's going on? Look, I.

quarantine got the best of me. It went quickly, and before I knew it, it was time. So it was, we're on the meal plan. It's fine. It's good food. It doesn't bother me. Meal plan. I got a plan for my meal. What is it? Like you have to eat, like, tofu and stuff? No, no, it's good. It's like turkey and steak and chicken,

salmon. That's not a meal plan. That's called Denny's. What's going on? No, it's on Denny's. You're doing salmon? I eat anywhere. I don't know. I got no snob in me. I'll eat anywhere. I don't eat a Denny's, but it's not. You know the first time... It's very healthy food. When I was in a Whitlock, when I moved to L.A. and Whitlock, I said, let's go have breakfast.

I took him to Denny's. I didn't even think it was cheap. Whitlock... What's wrong with Denny's? Whitlock told me later, he's like, his car was cheap. And I'm like, what's wrong with Denny's? It is kind of funny that you would take...

What's wrong with Denny's? I mean, because you're fancy. I'm not fancy. Oh, clearly not. I've just knocked on a roast beef sandwich in 45 seconds. You destroyed that. I can't believe. believe you ate that. You were literally gone for a minute.

Listen, I, time and food. You do love a sandwich, though. You get so excited for sandwiches. Not as much as nachos. You know, I've always had a theory on nachos. When delicious nachos are offered, you say yes, and you worry about the ramifications later. Well, you can't eat nachos anymore. Well, I do. I don't, I worry about the ramifications of how I eat later. If I'm hungry, yeah, I don't think I've ever passed on an example. We're not talking sports. Have a good day. So here's your thing. Like, I don't understand these people. Like, I don't think I'm a snob. But when I go to a grocery store,

I go to the one that's least busy. And I don't, I've never checked milk prices. If I want milk, I want milk. Well, that's a privilege. Is that a privilege? Yeah. Since I was nine, I was a divorce kid. I didn't have any money growing up. I mean, I don't check. I try to check prices for things I have to buy. You, like, you guess you have to buy milk. I don't drink milk. I buy the same nine things at grocery store. But like eight, like I've got to buy. eggs, so I just buy the eggs. I get bananas, blueberries, canaloupe, oat milk,

peanut butter, thin sliced Dave's bread. What else do I get? I'll get a cereal. Is this like your calling his home for the weekend? I've never checked prices on it because I order this. I get the same nine things every time I go to the store. So what do I give a rip if it's? Yeah, but you also don't worry about it when you give

the cashier your monies that there's not going to be enough of it. Really? Am I? snob? I've been doing this since I was eight. My whole life. I guess you just always had. We didn't have any money. I'm not saying because you were always rich, but.

No, I mean, but when you, I don't order, I don't get steak. I don't get. Yeah, I mean, that's, yeah, there's certain things. Like, I always check how much the meat is I'm buying. I'm like, I don't know if I need a $25 steak for me. No, I get that. No, I get if you, you know, I'm not talking fish and meat. Like, there are places that are just too expensive.

Oatmeal, I'm getting my oatmeal. I guess maybe I'm just out of touch. I don't think I am. Was I out of touch at eight? Because I had a debit card at eight. I had a cell phone at seven. No, I was literally one of the first. All right, I'm done talking today.

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