The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Drew Brees, Eagles, Cowboys, and the Herd Hierarchy

Episode Date: October 9, 2018

Colin discusses the inspiring story of New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees, why the Philadelphia Eagles are facing more struggles, what the Dallas Cowboys do well and where they need to improve, and the Herd Hierarchy. Guests include Doug Gottlieb, Drew Brees, David Njoku, and Gary Myers. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio at FS1. It is great to have you in. Record setting night for Drew Breeze, one of my all-time favorite players. Joy Taylor is joining me on a Tuesday. That was fun last night. Good morning. That was quite a moment. Quite a moment for Drew Breeze.

And I, you know, it's a couple of months ago. I don't, it could have been six months ago. We just had a day we were just kind of talking about quarterbacks, and they kind of run the sport now. And there's only seven or eight great ones on the planet right now. And I said, Drew Brees, I started watching football in 1972. I'll give you the year before we show any tape. 1972, I watched the Super Bowl between Miami and Washington.

From that day forward on that, it was a January in 1972. From that day until today, I've been watching football. And it's been my favorite sport. I like college football. I like the NBA. NFL is my favorite sport. Football guy always have been. And I listed the great eight quarterbacks,

and I put Drew Breeze on that list. And people are like, whoa, what about Aaron Rogers? What about Steve Young? And I'm like, folks, I don't know what it is and why we choose to support certain people. But I just want to let you think about Drew Breeze for a second. I'm always more impressed when people overcome things in life. I want you to think about the obstacles. Drew Breezes faced in life.

Number one, DNA. He's six feet tall. There was no Russell Wilson. People didn't want to draft him. Six feet tall quarterbacks don't make it. DNA disadvantage. Junior year of high school, tears his knee up. Senior year, nobody will give him a scholarship

except two basketball schools, Purdue and Kentucky. He goes to the NFL where he's good in San Diego for three years, and then they draft Philip Rivers, another obstacle. Oh, by the way, in the NFL's last game in San Diego. go. He hurts his shoulder. And then he goes to Miami and publicly the doctor says, I can't clear you to play. Obstacle. And then he goes to New Orleans and it's a natural disaster. Katrina, obstacle. They play home games in San Antonio, one of them in New York. And then halfway through his stay in New Orleans, Sean Payton gets suspended for a year, his architect. His life is a movie

that you cry at. You cry during. It's not a documentary. It's a tearjerker. It's a star is born. I mean, it's incredible what he's overcome. We live in a time now. God, you spend five minutes on Twitter. It's woe is me. Everybody's against me. I had to, hey, millennials, sorry if mom didn't pack your lunch and fold your underwear.

Drew Brees, it's been every two years a major obstacle, natural disasters, DNA, injuries. His timing's been terrible. God, he goes to New Orleans. Katrina, his last game in San Diego, he gets hurt. The greatest eight quarterbacks I've ever seen play the game, Peyton, Brady, Montana, Bradshaw, Elway, Marino, Aikman, Breeze. And all of them have different stories, but compare it to Peyton Manning. He broke his record last night, right? Passing yards.

But just think about, and by the way, Peyton Manning's one of the best I've ever seen. I've never talked to Peyton Manning, talked to Cooper, cop, to Eli, and Peyton's great. I was more of a Brady guy than Peyton, but Peyton's an all-time great guy. All-time great guy. But think of Peyton Manning's path. Peyton Manning DNA. Perfect. 6-5.

Peyton Manning's dad, NFL quarterback. Peyton Manning had his choice of SEC schools surrounded by NFL players. And then when he goes to Indianapolis, oh, they land Bill Pollian, Hall of Fame General Manager, who gives Peyton Manning great player after great player, after great player on the offensive side. He also got drafted. I mean, if you think about Peyton Manning's life, and he deserves all the acclaim,

he didn't face all these obstacles. Drew Breeze from DNA on, nothing but hurdles, nothing but roadblocks, and he breaks Peyton Manning's record. It's unbelievable. So when I say great eight quarterbacks and people push back on it,

I'm like, look at your own life. I mean, I say this all the time. I had a few divorces in my life when I was a kid. But my mom was doting. My dad was a doctor, so I got some of his brain power. I had a good relationship with my sister. I lived in the same house forever. I got a quarterback in high school.

I fell in love with sports. I grew up in a small town, so there was, you know, lots of space right next to the beach, had a good dog. I may have some issues in my life, but I didn't have that many roadblocks. I had a good life. I went to therapy once. I was like, what am I crying for? I didn't have any roadblocks.

Yeah, there's a few divorces in my life. Drew Breeze's life? His athletic career? His professional career? It's just like it's a steeple chase. Hurtle after hurdle after hurdle after hurdle. And here's the play where he set the record. So the family's on the field in anticipation of celebration.

Will we get it here before halftime? Right open. Isn't that great? Isn't that fitting? A big play. A big play. Congratulations to Drew Breeze. He is scheduled to phone us in one hour, one of my all-time favorite guys.

He is just diligence. I mean, if you had four or five words to describe him, it's guile and guts and grit and great. And all boxed into one tip of the cap, one of my all-time favorite guy. He started watching football in 1972. His story is as great as anybody that's ever played that position in this league. Amazing. Let me shift gears to this. Drew Breeze, it's fitting Drew Breeze did what he did last night because the NFL's hard.

Careers don't last very long. You don't have guaranteed contracts. A doctor can say, you're not clear to play. It's hard. That's why I think I've always liked football players more than other athletes. It's hard, man. It's hard. Successful guys are dealing with injuries.

So the Philadelphia Eagles yesterday, they just found out Jay Ajai, a running back, tore his ACL. Oh, another bit of bad news for the Eagles. By the way, he called out the team and their play calling. Hours later, he found out ACL tear probably out for the year. Yeah, when you win in Philadelphia and then you start lecturing the NFL, Drew Bree showed you last night. It's hard.

Think about all the things. things that have changed in the last five to six months for Philadelphia. Their offensive coordinators now a head coach he left in Indianapolis. Their quarterback coach is now the offensive coordinator in Minneapolis. Legerrett Bunt, Trey Burton, Brent Selleck retires, Torrey Smith traded, Mike Wallace placed on IR, Darren Sproul's out since week one, Jay Ajah, probably out for the year. Okay?

This is why I said the Philadelphia Eagles, books, parades, chatter, politics, reminding me so much of my hometown Seattle Seahawks. New England is on their 18th straight year of being in the Super Bowl conversation. Do we understand how unbelievable that is? College sports are built for dynasties. The best teams get the best players in recruiting. The NBA, the best cities add more great players. in the NFL when I watch what's happening to Philadelphia,

it just illustrates how unbelievable what the New England Patriots are doing. We're a few months removed from the Super Bowl champs. They go into camp. They're a mess. They're season Thursday against the New York Giants. I know it's like week six, but am I wrong saying it's a must win? This is why I compared the Eagles to the Seahawks. They were historically frustrating franchise.

They land a star quarterback. It doesn't take long. They win a Super Bowl. They get loud. They start talking. They lose coordinators. And the next morning they wake up. Oh.

Oh, we're back to being what we looked like. You ever throw a big party at your house? You ever throw a big party at your house? I mean, here's my thing. But my wife and I once or twice a year, we'll throw a party. And I'm like, I don't want a party until four in the morning. because I know what it looks like in my house the next morning when I wake up. This is why one of the mantras on my show is celebrate briefly grind daily.

The bigger the party, the bigger the mess the following morning when you wake up. And the Seahawks and the Eagles, they partied like crazy. They're writing books and parades and talking and politics. And look at them. Folks, getting to the top is one thing. staying there is harder. There's been a lot of one hit wonders in music. There's a handful of legends.

And Philadelphia, don't give up on them. That division's not very good. I still think the Philadelphia Eagles will find a way to get into the playoffs. But what you're seeing, JHAIA, out now probably for the year, you know what you should be thinking about? How damn impressive New England is? college sports is built for dynasties. Duke wins a title.

They get more good players. Bama, Ohio State wins a title. They get more good players. In the NBA, stars are joining stars. In the NFL, Philadelphia, that's got a good owner, a great GM, a great coach, a great quarterback. Check, check, check, check, check, check. All the things. Great offensive line.

Great defensive line. It's man overboard. Six months later. All right, Troy Aikman's talking this morning about Dak Prescott, and that's making a little bit of news. Joy Taylor is joining me today. Drew Brees will join us in 45 minutes. Doug Gottlieb this hour and a member of the Cleveland Browns. You think I don't like Baker Mayfield?

Then why am I bringing on his starting tight end today? It probably blasts me. It'll probably crush me. And I'm bringing him right on the show. I may just take Cleveland to beat the Chargers this weekend. You've seen that tasty betting line? That's pretty interesting. Is this what we're doing now, Colin?

Telling you, I'll have to step in if I want to. If you want to, you know, get things started on a nice note with David and Joku, just mentioned that you like the University of Miami and it'll be good. I know. He's a great player there. And one of other many great tight ends. So Troy Aikman's talking about deck, Prescott, and the Cowboys. We'll have that for you next.

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So go to Tommyjohn.com slash H-E-R-D. Tommyjohn.com slash herd for 20% off. By the way, congrats to the Dodgers. Totally stacked lineup. Cody Bellinger hit seventh last night. You seal Pueg 8th. And they brought day. David Freeze and Chris Taylor off the bench. So congrats to the Dodgers who have a stacked lineup. They're going to go up to the face Milwaukee, Colorado winner. Milwaukee. So they'll play talented Milwaukee who's got the best closer.

When's that start, Sammy? Friday. In Milwaukee. All right. Good luck. Milwaukee's got Milwaukee stacked as well. You know, I'm thinking about this. Troy Aikman was talking about on Dallas Radio,

this morning. He was talking about Dak Prescott. And Troy Echman said something. And, you know, when Troy talks in Dallas about the Cowboys and the quarterback situation, everybody listens. So he said this morning about Dak Prescott. He needs to be more accurate. First thing I look for is accuracy, because the rest of it doesn't matter. Leadership, size, smarts. I've seen too many throws in that regard,

and there needs to be a little more anticipation. He just needs to be more accurate. it's very interesting. Like in the NFL, if you get the quarterback right and you get the head coach right, you can screw up a lot of other stuff. You really can. It's like in the culinary business. If you get the food right and you get the service right, you can screw up a lot in that

business. But the food's good, the service is good. You know if I have a great location. People will find your restaurant. There's a lot of holes in the wall all over America. Great food, great service. lines around the block, and it's not even a nice block. Okay, location doesn't mean anything.

Got to get the food right. In movies, you get the script right, you get the director right. You don't have to have Tom Hanks in every movie. You got a great script. There's been a lot of movies that have made that you don't know anybody in the movie. Script right, director right, actors less important. In the NFL, you get the quarterback right, and you get the coach right. The Rams have it.

A Kansas City has it. New England has it. And not many teams doing it like that. New Orleans obviously has it. You can screw up in a lot of different areas. And in Dallas, quarterback, head coach Jason Garrett, Dallas is doing a lot right. Star running back.

That's important. Ask the Rams. Good offensive line. That's important as the Rams. They got great young pass rushers. I love their linebackers. When Sean Lee is healthy, with this group.

I love their linebackers. Dallas is doing a lot right. Good defensive coordinator. But Jason Garrett, I saw this morning, is the first head coach to be fired, according to the odds makers. I think Troy Aikman's right. In fact, I was looking at highest completion percentage

in the NFL. Dak Prescott's 28th. So they're doing a lot right in Dallas. But the quarterback and the coach right now, now Jerry Jones, he talked this morning as well. Now, Jerry, to me, this is very, here's the rub. Jerry so far has been very, very supportive of Dack Prescott. He said this this morning.

And we've got a quarterback. Okay. Make no mistake about it. Okay. But remember, Dax making under a million dollars. What happens in six months when Dax agent asked for $26 million? Because by the way, Kirk Cousins asked for $35, got $26,000. And Alex Smith asked for 30 and got 23 and a half.

Yet, Dak Prescott at the current contract rate is a steal. But what do you think is agents going to come in at? Agents don't come in low. They come in high and want to get every penny out of you. Is Jerry Jones going to be so pro-Dak when they ask for $27.5 million a year? And they're not going to take anything less than $23 million. Because they're going to say, well, what about Alex Smith? Our guy's not as good as Alex Smith?

and they're going to throw up numbers and some of those are going to be the first year and a half numbers, which look really good. So it's Dallas, but, you know, listen, if you get the quarterback and the coach right in this league, you can screw up in a lot of places. Dallas is doing a lot right. But they got big questions coming up here.

Dallas has two big questions coming up in the next six months, quarterback head coach. And they may have to make moves with both. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herd Line News. So a pretty cool moment for Drew Brees last night,

becoming the NFL's all-time passing yard record leader on a touchdown pass to Treyquan Smith. Pretty special moment. Followed that with his family and all the fans in the stadium. And also very special was Peyton Manning's congratulations video to Drew Brees. Have you seen this yet? Yeah, I thought it was funny. Let's take a look.

For a thousand days, I've held the record for all-time passing yards in the NFL. I gotta tell you, it's been the greatest 1,000 days of my life. And thanks to you, that's over now. And you've ruined that for me. In all seriousness, Drew, congratulations on this record. You've done it the right way. All your hard work and dedication have paid off. Way to go.

Proud of you. Good luck the rest of the way. The reason that he's standing in front of a table was sliced tomatoes for anyone who didn't see the whole video. It's kind of a bit they did where he's like making. a salad for your family. The video was too long to show everyone, but that's why there's tomatoes there. That was a nice little congratulations.

Yeah, I mean, I think I went into last night. You know, it was one of those where all the legends were ready to congratulate him on Twitter. Drew Breeze is one of the easy ones, by the way, to root for. Howie Long always says this. You can't have two quarterbacks in the same room. He goes, they're like lead singers in band. You can't have two lead singers.

The quarterbacks are kind of, you know, they're kind of the guy. And there's a lot of animosity that's unspoken and a lot of competitive Yeah, I think probably until they're retired. Yes. Because when they're retired, they're not competing against me. Yeah, like you see Jim Kelly and Damarino together, and they're having the time of their lives.

But I think when they're playing, it's a different story because, you know, it's a competitive nature of the game. Drew Breeze is the one quarterback, I think, all the great ones root for. Because they see the injuries. They see the San Diego situation. Like, there's some, you know, Peyton Manning number one pick.

There's probably some animosity. Yeah, look, he had it paved road, his dad was a quarterback. You know, Andrew Luck's dad was a... Well, Payton has a little bit of edge to him, too, despite his, you know, tomato slicing commercials. Oh, no, no, Peyton's got people that don't like him in the league. Aaron Rogers has those guys.

Judy's has the likability level that we were talking about. He's just likable, and he'll join us later today. So Patrick Mahomes and the 5-0 Chiefs will have their toughest tests to date on the road against Tom Brady and the Patriots. Brady spent his first NFL season backing up Drew Bud. So, as we know, and Mahomes spent his rookie season backing up Alex Smith, So naturally people are doing that comparison thing. But Brady says that is where the similarities between the beginning of their careers ends.

Football was different then. You know, I think now I think both football is more of glorified college football. I think in some ways it's the transition, it's a more similar game than what it used to be, you know, when I first started. I think football now is, you know, with removing some of the physical elements of the game, it's just, it's more of a space game. And, you know, you see a lot of kind of college play. you know, more in the pro game now than what I remember when I started. So, you know, that's just kind of how things have went over the last bunch of years. Hmm.

Hmm. Well, Tom. He's not wrong. Hmm, Tom. It is. Very interesting, Tom. It's a different world now. I mean, if I wasn't such a good reader of shade, I would have said that Brady was kind of

taking a little dig there. I see a guy being told. A little on the goat where we relax on, on, on, on, on. praising Patrick Mahomes too much yet. He hasn't beat me. Tom Brady's saying, yeah, it's three games. I've played 18 years. It's slow down. I mean, listen, look, comparing Patrick Mahomes to Tom Brady is obviously very silly at this point. But it also maybe ease back on the whole, like, physical element in the game. The NFL literally changed an entire rule because you're of your injury.

Like, you were the start of this whole that's not touched the quarterback thing. So it's kind of benefited you a little bit throughout your career. I like it, though. It's added a little more juice to this game. Brady's had two careers. He came in where it was a run first league and it was more violent. And now it's a passing league. So you can go about nine, ten years into Tom and the league shifted to benefit Tom. Yeah. He's not saying anything that is not true. It just can, like, you have benefited from it not being as physical. Or maybe he heard that Patrick Mahomes was dunking and we called him out for not posting his dunking video.

Maybe that's what that's about. Finally, after going 0 and 16 last year, the Browns are 2-2 and 1 this year. and David Injoku says the difference is in the competitiveness of the team is showing at the end of close games. Last year, I didn't really see the fight that we had this year. You know, our team, you know, is definitely bought in and locked in during the game, and I'm just so happy. See that during, you know, crunch times, like the fourth quarter

and overtime, you know, it's great to see for sure. Baker's doing a tremendous job, obviously, and everyone just buying in and focusing it and just working, you know, as hard as it. possibly can and not fighting, not quitting until the clock is zero, zero, you know. He's a huge competitor.

You know, you would see him during practice working extremely hard. The kid loves to compete. It's contagious. Here's the other thing. Cleveland's got better players now. Yeah, there is... They've got good players. At one more or another, when you get the right players

there, that's really what turns it around. They've got like eight guys who are elite players, a slot receiver. What they got, adding Jarvis Landry was obviously... The running backs are very good. They got three legitimate running. Most teams don't have one. Baker also was a big change of culture for the Browns.

It's okay. We can admit it. I mean, I don't have to admit it because I was saying that he should have been starting from the beginning. But, you know. He's a component to the success. They did win on field goals this weekend mostly. Hey, listen, a win is a win. David and Joko will be here with us at 1045 today.

Good stuff. Joy with News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. My buddy, the Dugger, Doug Gottlieb, Fox Sports Radio, after my show across America. Let's bring him in the Dugger. Weekdays, 3 to 6 Eastern Fox Sports Radio. So I love Drew Brees.

The fight is real. The struggle is real. You have been, you like Drew Brees, too, but you've said there are advantages that he had that people sometimes don't mention. Well, there's a couple things. First, look, I don't want to take a ton of the shine off of Drew Brees. But I don't think any of us, even though the statistics. dominance is there would say he's the greatest quarterback of all time, correct?

Yeah, I don't think he's the greatest, but he's way up there. He's up there. He's also helped tremendously, as was Peyton Manning by playing indoors. That helps. When he was with the San Diego Chargers, he had issues with arm strength. Yeah. Now, some of that is the miracle medical technology that's brought him back when people thought his career was over. But a lot of it is playing indoors and playing with a great play caller.

But playing indoors, his numbers pale in comparison. and his quarterback rating is 10 percentage points lower. His interceptions are up. His touchdowns are down. The wins and losses are way down when they play on the road. So he has helped. It's always been stats on steroids playing indoors. Yeah.

It helped Peyton Manning for a long time. Another guy who struggled with arm strength. Additionally, he runs the benefit of playing for arguably the best play caller in the last 25 years consistently in the national football. Certainly an argument for that, yes. Right. So you play for a great play caller. You play in a perfect play.

and I think one of the things that's taken away from his legacy is the fact that they had three consecutive seven and nine seasons after winning a Super Bowl. Now, it should be pointed out. If you want to tell the true context of the story, the Saints were the Ains for a long time. Everything we say about the Browns, the past 10 years, we said about the Saints for 25 years. Yeah, that millennials don't get this. They were the Clippers. Right. And the NBA for three decades.

Right. Now, he wasn't the first quarterback to take them to the playoffs, but he was the first quarterback to win a playoff game. That's how bad they were. But they were hurt by the fact that he took as much money as he could during his previous contract. And they couldn't feel the defense around him. He took all that money. They couldn't put a defense around him. So the true context of it is he changed the Big Ten when he and Joe Tiller, they ran the spread really for the first time. The forward pass, the forward pass and the Big Ten hadn't seen it. Right. And that was the beginning of the end of the John McAvick era at Texas because he passed on a kid. It was just down the street that would give his

pinky toe to play for Texas. And, you know, the, the trade that ended up bringing him to San Diego was one of the great trades in the history of the sport. And then signing ultimately with the Saints changed the sport forever. But he has been helped by playing in a dome playing with Sean Payton. He did take a ton of money when he took that huge contract about four years ago. A little like Steve Nash in the NBA. That's exactly who he is. I sat down like he's Steve Nash. And by the way, Steve Nash is a Hall of Famer and great. Two-time MVP. But no one would tell you he's the best point guard of all time. And was absolutely beneficiary of playing with Mike Dan Tony's sister.

and the evolution of the NBA. By the way, but I would argue this. I always say this about Bill O'Reilly. He was just swimming around until he got Roger Ailes. Is that everybody needs a kingmaker. Even Tom Brady. If you give Carson Palmer to Belichick, Carson Palmer's career is really amazing.

And it's one of those things that's interesting about, I heard you ripping Aaron Rogers. Ripping. Ripping, that's such a subjective word ripping. It's not subjective. I listen to the show. This is ripping. I was gently...

I'll bring in Joy Taylor. Joy, was he pro or anti-Aren Roger yesterday? I mean, pro-anti, I think there's a gray area. Yeah, I mean, it's really gray. You can give someone credit for being great while also being critical. He didn't have a good first half. He admittedly didn't have a good first half, but it's more how he's handled his coach, right? Where you never hear Drew Bree say anything about his coach, understanding that his coach allows him...

And this is one of the things with Tom Brady. whatever he's doing behind the scenes with Belichick, publicly he admits he's the greatest coach ever. Everyone has to be coached. Everyone has to be led. And I do think that Drew Brees has benefited greatly for playing for Sean Payton, a guy who found a way to use Reggie Bush, just like, you know, he drafted a kid out of Tennessee who didn't, you know, couldn't start consistently at Tennessee and makes him into as diverse a weapon running back as wide receivers we see. And all I'm saying, and I don't think you're criticizing Drew, what I would say is there is nobody

Howard Stern was fired and then needed help better producer, Robin Quivers. Like, everybody needs help. I think in the Western culture, we build people up and tear them down. But the truth is behind, like they always say, behind any great CEO is a really strong wife because she's running the house. Well, yeah, I mean, couldn't you make this argument for any great quarterback? Like Tom Brady hasn't benefited greatly from playing with Bill Belichette? I did this one time.

I tried to say this one time. Name a great quarterback without a great coach. it almost doesn't because even Dan Fouts, he didn't win Eric Coriel, Beryl, Walsh. Well, you don't think Mike Tomlin's any good. No, I don't, I don't, well. No, I mean, you've been critical of Mike Tom

and I don't think he's a bad coach. No, I mean, it's never had a below 500 record, which is, I mean, like, as good as we think of Sean Peyton, they had three seven and nines in a row. Granted, most of it was defense, but he is the head coach. So I would generally agree with you. Like, nobody does it on their own. In life.

And you don't win a Super Bowl unless you have a defense. and you don't win consistently unless you have a great coaching staff, and you're not a great coach unless you have great management and leadership up top because you can't do it without the proper players and management of the salary cap. All of it does, in fact, work together. Okay, so, you know, it's funny about John Gruden. And I said before the season, I'm like, man, this just doesn't, 10 years out of Silicon Valley, 10 years out of the NFL, those are fluid businesses.

You can leave the post office for 10 years come back. It's the post office. So I look at Gruden. They got blasted this weekend. I look at their upcoming schedule. Gruden said yesterday he's kind of depressed. Now they go to London. They're sort of unraveling.

Could I make this argument? John Chase money. The NFL's got to see a money. Don't chase it. Chase stability. Raiders aren't stable. It was a bad gig. No, they weren't stable.

That's why they had to give him 10 years. He had a lifetime appointment at ESPN, and that's why they had to give him more length, more money. And I do think it stabilizes it. Do I think it happen as quickly as he would have thought? Of course not. Of course, I thought he thought he would have won a game. They should have won the Miami game.

If Derek Carr doesn't throw the ball, you know, doesn't lob it up in the end zone where it can be intercepted. That's a bad throw. It was a terrible throw. I think he's a little bit disappointed. I think he thinks Derek Carr is a little bit better than he's actually been. Look, there's a talent mismatch when they played the Rams when they played the Chargers. Yes, clearly.

Those teams have better talent. The other games, you know, Cleveland they won. They should have won in Miami. You know, the other games were 50-50 games. But, look, Dan Reeves left, went to NASCAR, came back, and the game had passed him by, but he caught up. John grew into catch up eventually. They're playing the long game there.

I think the two first-round picks they got for Cleo Mac, hopefully they use those. They'll have a bunch of salary cap room in the coming year and in the following year after that. They're putting themselves in position to be successful in the long term. I think he's disappointed at how slow a start it's been and how brutal this league is, and maybe Derek Hart isn't who he thought he was. He did play eight rookies this weekend.

They're not defensively. They're not good. They don't have players. No, but he's also kind of got to figure it out. And it takes a while now. Look, it takes Bill Belichick for games to figure it out. And Bill Belichick's been doing it successfully for 20 years in New England. How long is it going to take John Gruden, who hasn't been in Oakland, with the exception

of the last six, seven months? That's good stuff. Don't go anywhere. We have a ton of stuff to talk about. LeBron talked about Lonzo, the UFC mass. The Philadelphia Eagles fell in love with themselves. And like the Seahawks, they're unraveling. Doug Gottlieb, don't go anywhere.

coming back, Drew Breeze, top of the hour as well. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeard Radio app. Borrow up to 40 grand to pay off high interest debt or credit cards. Lendingclub.com slash sports. Lending club. Lending club.com slash sports. Doug Gottlieb joining me. A lot of issues to get to. Let's touch on one more thing because Drew Bree is coming on top of the hour. One of my favorite players. You like him too, but you pointed out the Peyton thing. you pointed out the Sean Payton thing, the dome thing was an advantage.

Here's something about Drew Breeze. You're going to mention that doesn't get mentioned enough. Drew Breeze didn't just help himself last night. No, I mean, if not for Drew Breeze, is there a Russell Wilson? And if not for Russell Wilson, is there a Baker Mayfield? And then if you look in college football, I mean, to a Tobago logo, who's at Alabama, he may be listed 6-1. Oh, God, no. He's close to 6 feet, maybe even 5-11.

Right. You know, Missouri's got a talented, talented quarterback. He's like 5-11, 6 feet. They'll both get drafted high. I don't know how high, though. Yes, I think Tua will be drafted probably earlier, but the idea that you couldn't be a six-foot quarterback and succeed, he's obviously proved that to be a false statement.

And we talked about Steve Nash. If not for Steve Nash, is there a Steph Curry? If not for Steph Curry, Tray Young doesn't go in the top five, right? And how many other diminutive, thin, offensive-minded point guards are there, out there that are hoping that Tray Young becomes an all-star. If he does, that helps their draft stocks. So he is a game changer.

What Doug Flutie couldn't accomplish consistently, Drew Brees has been able to accomplish at his size. Let's talk about the Philadelphia Eagles. And I said, once they started partying after the Super Bowl, I said, they're becoming my Seahawks. Historically frustrating franchise. They get

a great quarterback, and they go from interesting to, wow, their The league falls in love with them. And then they party like rock stars. They get loud. They get political. You get magazine articles talking every which way in book deals. And then it's like, whenever you host a really big party, somebody's got to clean it up in the morning.

And I look at Philadelphia and I'm like, there's a tiger in the bathroom like it wasn't hangover. Yeah. I'm like, I look at Philadelphia. You know, there's some of that with Philadelphia. They party like there was no tomorrow and they woke up this morning. And they lost coordinators. They're not the same team. Yes.

You lose coordinators. you lose quarterback coaches, you lose that edge, right? You lose the edge. Heavy is the head that wears the crown. That's the Shakespearean expression. And the point when you were out and I sat in for you, Joy and I discussed, it's different for everybody else. You're everybody else's biggest game.

You know, Joe Buck and Troy Aikman and Aaron Andrews are, they called the game this Sunday. You're everybody, your TV's biggest game. The Vikings just came in, and the Vikings have been beaten at home by the bills. They're all banged up to injury. They don't have Dalvin Cook, and they came in and whooped you. And they exposed it. But here's what Philadelphia benefits from.

I think some of this will create some of that us against the world. Oh, you're doubting us again. And their division stinks. It's terrible. Cowboys are a mess. Giants are a mess. And we saw what the Washington Redskins had off of the world.

Washington Redskins last night, they not only had a buy week, they had a buy week plus Monday night football. Yes. You could not have had, and they have a veteran coach, a veteran quarterback, and that that was what Washington right now

leads that division. So to your point, Philadelphia is going to... I want to sell my Philadelphia stock, but this is a lot like New England early in the year, right? New England gets the field mopped with them by the Jacksonville Jaguars. But then I'm like, wait, there's two rookies

starting a quarterback for the bills and for the Jets. They'll be fine. Look at the NFC east through week five. If I said to you... It's the NFC least. You're 401K. You have to put a money on one team. Eagles.

Not even close. Their defensive line is still nasty. The offensive line is still good. It can be good. Yeah. It hasn't been good. good. They've chosen not to block people at times. But they still have Carson Wentz.

They still have an outstanding play caller, and the defensive line is nasty. It won them that Atlanta game. Okay, two topics. Number one, Lonzo and LeBron. LeBron comes out yesterday. He said, you're ready to be the king. And I've been saying this is that we've got to slow down banging on all these young college

people. So when Lonzo broke into the league last year, he didn't look physically like an NBA player. He looked like a buffed high schooler or a skinny Collegian and he comes into the league and by the way all these young guys are getting hurt Markell Fultz Lanzo ball Joel Embed O'Cafore you can go up you can go Ben Simmons missed a year because of an injury you go from 35 games to 82 and actually at the NBA level everybody hit shots you have to guard people it's hard Lonzo fell apart Brennan ingram still falling apart

like I think I do I don't know if LeBron and Lonzo will converge beautifully I'm not sure how it works because they both need the ball but aren't we being a little harsh on Lonzo, Duke can play, right? Yes, I think he can play. He's going to have to earn his starting spot, but he actually benefits. He plays fairly well without the basketball. To your point, he never lifted weights.

He never played pick and roll basketball. He never played real basketball. They actually had to teach him, unlike so many other young players, to stop passing the ball so much. Stop just forward passing the ball and get hot patating the ball. Like, dude, take over early and late. This is your time. So he had to kind of relearn and rewire himself.

I think he'll be demonstratively better. Now, the one thing that I would, would caution people about is he didn't play a lot of basketball this summer because of the knee. His body is thicker. It's helped his shot. He hasn't really changed his shot. It's just stronger because the rest of his body is stronger. But there's going to be some kinks to work through because he, unlike his teammates, hadn't played this summer because of the knee injury. But look, was Donovan Mitchell better? Yes, last year, of course. Even Kyle Kuzma as a rookie, but Kyle Kuzma is in his early 20s, whereas he was just 20 years old. It used to be, you played three

years of college basketball. Christian Leitner. People say he's a bust. He averaged 19 points for a couple years. Guys used to be 23 coming into the league. They're 20. Well, I think what happens is Donovan Mitchell had a better workout and was a better player than Lonzo is. And Lonzo probably never becomes the player that Donovan Mitchell is. And when you're outshown by another rookie and maybe two other rookies, Josh Hart might be a better player. They found a diamond in the rough in Josh Hart. They love him. He is untradable for the LA Lakers. So I think some of that takes away from him. But at the end of the day, if you can get a starting point guard. Granted, he's probably overdrafted because he's from Los Angeles and because of his name,

if you can get a starting point guard to go along with all the rest of, with Brandon Ingram, who's still young and still developing, I think they'll be fine. I think eventually he'll earn his starting spot, and I do think you'll see a dramatic improvement from year one to year two. Okay, UFC, what a shock. Crazy people acted crazy. I think you have to be wired differently to be the Navy SEAL or a UFC fighter. If you took Drew Breeze, who plays in a regulated violent sport and said,

Hey, Drew, would you ever fight in the UFC, Drew Breeze would be like, oh, am I crazy? These are crazy people, and they acted crazy. Okay, I went to Oklahoma State, which is home of the wrestling Hall of Fame, the real wrestling Hall of Fame, right? Not the pro wrestling. Okay, and real wrestlers, listen, three things will survive the nuclear holocaust, Twinkies, cockroaches, and wrestlers.

And I mean that in completely respectful terms. They are the toughest human beings on walking the earth that are professional athletes. but that's the fault of Dana. That's the fault of Dana White. Dana White, like, you basically left a long trail and left a bunch of matches around, and then eventually one gets lit. And this is the problem with UFC. It is, at its core, it is an incredible sport.

Oh, God, see, it's tribal. I can't turn it off. You can't hide. You can't hang on the ropes, right? All you can do is tap out or get knocked out or get carried out, right? Yeah. But, but, like, corporate sponsors at the highest. level, they don't want dudes jumping into the crowd in melee.

Obviously, yeah. And even though we laugh at, I think was it Derek Lewis, his postmatch interview, which was incredible, was funny. But it was inappropriate. Completely inappropriate. And, like, couldn't I, me and Joy and I talk to. You can't talk about somebody's religion, their race, and their country. McGregor did.

And expect no reaction. And McGregor just did it for attention. And Dana was just, go ahead. That's, that's him being him. McGregor's just trying to sell whiskey. Dana's just trying to sell pay-per-view buys. Meanwhile, Kabeep's sitting there going like, no, dude, you're talking about my country and my family, my religion. Of course he's going to go crazy.

What was the expected reaction? But I talked to Joy about this. There's only a minute and a half left is that the reason this is the only sport in my lifetime that didn't exist in the 80s and is now flourishing now in 2018 is there was a slot. And they're like, it's almost like, you know, if you have, you know, that's how Fox News was created. You know, there's not a strong right wing approach to news. And Roger Ailes goes, Robert Murdoch says, well, why can't we just go and take back? slot. By the way, you can have newspapers go far right, far left. They filled a slot in America.

No question. No question. But it also fills the lowest common denominator. And you look at some of the fans react to it. Look, I like it. I've seen it in person. It's an incredible sport. I like it too. But one of the reasons succeeded was Dana's leadership. But Dana sometimes just like, hey, it's an autopilot now. I've cashed in. I'm not, I'm not responsible for it. this is not my fault. This is crazy people acting crazy. If you want to not go the boxing route where people think you're a joke, then you have to have command and control. He lost control of something.

He basically lit a house fire and then walked away and said, I can't believe nobody put this thing out. That's interesting. You're more on joyous side. Here I am, you know, just supporting Dane and the UFC. I love UFC. You just can't have people climbing in the stands. Crazy Pete.

What do you know? What happens if a billionaire sitting in the front row of his wife gets? games until I get an elbow in my eyeball. Right? Yeah, that's a good point. Doug Gottlieb, good stuff. Heard hierarchy. Drew Breeze next in LA.

It's the herd. Ah, our number two, this is the herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Live in Los Angeles, IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Drew Breeze is going to be calling us here in five minutes. Record-setting NFL quarterback. Joy Taylor is joining me.

Last night, my wife and I, you know, we were watching a little bit of this, and she's not really a big sports fan, and she was, you know, asking some questions about Drew Breeze. And, you know, I was just saying, like, he's a guy that's overcome a lot of obstacles. A lot of quarterbacks, they go to the big school, and they come into the league, and they, you know, dad was an NFL player. Drew Breeze had none of that and ended up breaking Brett Farb and Peyton Manning's records last night, so he'll join us in five minutes.

Speaking of great quarterbacks, you know, Tom Brady would certainly qualify for that. But he was talking about Patrick Mahomes, and they play each other this week. The Patriots play the Kansas City Chiefs. And, you know, he was on a Boston radio station, W.E.E.I. Brady. And he was talking about it wasn't a shot at Mahomes to me, but he was talking about how the game now has changed for young quarterbacks. You know, I think football was different then. You know, I think now I think in some ways it's pro football is more of glorified college football. So I think in some ways it's maybe the transition, it's a more similar game than what it used.

used to be, you know, when I first started. So it's much, I think football now is removing some of the physical element of the game. It's just, it's more of a space game. And, you know, you see a lot of kind of college plays, you know, more in the pro game now than what I remember when I started. So, you know, that's just kind of how things have went over the last bunch of years. There's no, by the way, completion percentages. What Drew Brees is completing, what, 78% of his throws. I do think the game is easier if you're a really talented quarterback today than it was. 15 years ago. I don't think that's a shot. But I think what the NFL's done brilliantly, and they've done this my entire life, they're the great borrowers. They're not stealing

everybody else's ideas. They're borrowing them and making them their own. They borrowed from the XFL. A lot of the camera angles you see, XFL. They've borrowed plays and coaches from the CFL, Canadian football. They've borrowed concepts from arena football. Now they're borrowing concepts from college football. You know, people worry so much about being a original. Everything's copied. And there's like basically in music, there's only so many riffs. They say that every sitcom ever created has three basic themes. All Netflix is is a bigger, broader international version of HBO. All Uber is is a different form of taxis. If you look at the number one movie in America right now, a star is born. It's its third remake. If you're

sitting around worrying about, oh my God, this is my original content. Nothing's original. Nothing is new. Nothing is new. It's taking concepts, borrowing them, and making them your own. I would say the NFL even borrows things from the NBA now. This is absolutely true. I think when you watch, I watched the baseball playoffs last night on one TV and the NFL and the other.

In baseball, I'm waiting for something to happen. In football, I don't have to wait anymore. They got rid of huddles. By the way, a couple years ago, the NBA loosened up the celebrations. And that, to me, was borrowing from the NBA. Because if a guy dunks in the NBA, Steph Curry, shimmies, and it's okay. It's part of the celebration.

It ends up on the internet. It's free publicity on Twitter and Facebook. And the NFL's like, you know what? NBA's crushing it in social media. What if we let our players celebrate what's happened? You go on a Sunday, you watch Twitter, and the celebrations are on as much as the touchdowns. I know.

Miraculously, it did not kill the game that they let them do. I know. I myself do not like celebrations. I'm not a celebration person. John, you know this. I literally wake up, I go chop wood. I do sit-ups. I'm not a big celebration person.

You read the newspaper with your prune juice. But NFL ratings are up, okay? Almost nothing on linear TV is up. And they're up because they've just borrowed a bunch of ideas. And I love the current, I love it. I love the current NFL. I mean, I watch the Chicago Bears. That's a 60-40 college offense.

I watch the L.A. Rams. That feels like a 60-40 college offense. So I don't have any problem with it at all. I think it's great. I think they're the great borrowers. I don't think Tom Brady was banging on anybody. Listen, if you look at the completion percentages in the NFL right now, it's like seven-on-seven passing drills. Drew Brees is almost at 80%. I mean, Cam Newton is not a precision quarterback. He's in the mid-60s. I mean, Joe Namath finished at 50%. Joe Namath let go of a football. flip, completed or not completed. Drew Breeze, let's go of a football.

Eight out of ten times, somebody will catch it. Now, some of that's Drew Breeze. Some of that is the new football we have, which I think is absolutely, absolutely without question. Here are the highest completion percentages. Never been a time in my life. There's like seven guys in the 70s. To me,

I always said, you've got to get to 62%. Now, when I look at football, I'm like, you kind of got to get is 66%. You got to be 65 or 66%. And I was always like, when Tim Tebow was winning games, I'm like, this is not sustainable. He's completing 47%. That's just not sustainable. And I've been critical of Cam Newton through the years. I'm like 58%. Eli Manning without OBJ is 58%. That's not sustainable. You get to a point now where I'm not sure if it's sustainable to be like 60, 61. I mean, Dak Prescott's 28th in the NFL. And by the way, John, look it up. I think he's like 64.

He's not, yeah, I mean, Dak Prescott's 62%. And that's 28th in the league. And the knock on him from Troy Aikman this morning on Dallas radio, that's not good enough. So, you know, there you go. Drew Bree is going to call us here in a minute I've been told. By the way, here's the other thing I saw last night. I'm going to do herd hierarchy, but I'm going to try to make it, I'm going to try to make it post Drew Breeze because it takes about seven, eight minutes.

Here's the other thing I was watching last night when Drew was tearing up Washington. The other thing I was watching was Washington. As critical as I have been about the Philadelphia Eagles, you can't sell that stock. Washington had a week off and a day. They had a buy week, right? So veteran quarterback, veteran coach. This should have been a very, very good performance by Wednesday. Washington. Now, I know it's tough to win there. That was awful. The NFC East is an absolute

mess. Think about this. The five lowest scoring teams in the NFC. Now, think about this. Arizona's number one. Two, three, four, five are NFC East teams. It's just a mess. Now, the good news is Dallas is limited, New York's limited, and Washington's limited. Philadelphia is not limited. Philadelphia is injured. Philadelphia is injured. Philadelphia is trying to get their act together because they lost coordinators. But when I watched Washington last night and I watched the Giants this weekend and I watched the Cowboys, I see Limited. I don't think Philadelphia is limited.

I just don't think they can get the ship right yet. But I think they have Carson Wentz. They have a great defensive line. They have good offensive personnel. They've got some good running backs. They're all beat up. But I'm watching that last night. And if you're Washington and you're looking at that, there are games in the NFL that leave a

mark. and you're like, oh, that's not, that's not great. That, that, that's just not great. That was one of those for Washington. That wasn't a singular loss. That spoke volumes. Veteran quarterback, extra time off, veteran NFL coach, and not competitive. And it should be noted, New Orleans is going to win a lot of games this year,

but that defense, you can take advantage of it. That defense gives up yards, and they didn't last night. All right. Heard hierarchy, I, I'm guessing Drew Brees, hoping Drew Brees, hoping Drew Brees. Brees, efforting Drew Brees is somewhere around the corner. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. The National League Championship Series is now set Friday. It's game one of the NLCS as Mani Machado, Clayton Kershaw, and the Dodgers take on MVP candidate Christian

Yelich and the Brewers. Coverage begins at 7 Eastern on FS1 and the Fox Sports. 14 of the Dodgers, 20 runs in the NLDS came by home run. Nine guys with more than 20 home runs this year, so they are stacked. Well, Drew Brees of the many accomplishments, I said this a couple hours ago. In my lifetime, there has never been a quarterback who has overcome as many obstacles as Drew Brees. He's not 6'5. He tore up his knee in high school. He went to kind of a historically running conference, cold weather basketball school, Purdue. Then he plays in San Diego, gets hurt, and then Miami won't clear him.

Then he goes to New Orleans and Katrina and Sean Payton. At one point has to leave for a season. Obstacle, obstacle, obstacle, obstacle. And you look up, and he's breaking Brett Farv and Peyton Manning's records. That's why I've said, I call him one of the great eight, one of the great eight players that's ever played that position that I've ever seen in my life. Impossible not to root for. And Drew has been kind enough to spend a few minutes with us today.

Drew, how are you? Thanks for joining us. I'm doing great, Colin. How are you? Great. You know what I thought was, and it really speaks to you. Instead of last night coming out and saying, I wanted to prove people wrong, You came out and said, this record proves so many people right.

And I thought that was a remarkable thing to say because it'd be very easy to go the other way. And you wanted to talk about breaks and support. Go back. Go back. If I said to you, NFL, your first big break, what was it? Well, you know, honestly, what I learned through the draft process very quickly was that it was more important to end up in the right place, in the right situation, with the right team. the right system, the right coaching staff, as opposed to just getting drafted as high as you possibly can. I mean, I think I think that's a lot of, a lot of guys coming out. That is their

intent and their goal is to get drafted as high as they possibly can. And yet at the end of the day, it's about being in the right situation. And I felt like being drafted to the San Diego Chargers in the second round was the best place for me because I had the chance to be an understudied to Doug Flutie, who was my, you know, one of my childhood role models, the guy that I looked up to, an undersized guy who just constantly overcame, overcame the odds. And being around guys like Junior Seale and Rodney Harrison and other great leaders there in San Diego, around a coach like Marty Schottenheimer, I felt like that helped me build the foundation by which, you know, I would build my NFL career.

You know, and then you end up with Sean Payton, who, you know, like a Sean McVeigh, none of us knew who Sean McVey was. We didn't know who Sean McVeigh was. when did you realize with Sean Payton, wow, this could be the perfect coach for me? You know, I mean, I'll remember forever the first time Sean called me. I was literally in a Arby's drive-thru in Birmingham, Alabama. I was there rehabbing. I just had my surgeries with Dr. James Andrews, two months post-op, you know, could barely lift my arm still above my shoulder.

and here's this, you know, coach calling me, you know, fresh from the Cowboys organization, getting the job in New Orleans. I mean, I don't think he knew exactly what he was taking on at the time, and yet he was telling me that I was his guy. And, you know, listen, my confidence took a hit, you know, after that injury just because I, as much as I felt like, say, God had a plan and I was going to come back stronger. I mean, listen, I had my doubt. That was a very daunting time for me, you know, when I was told, hey, eight months until you're able to throw in a two years before you really feel normal again.

I mean, that was overwhelming. Yet, here was a guy looking at me in the eye and saying, you're my guy, you know, and you're going to lead this organization. What's amazing about you is you literally, when I think New Orleans is the perfect place for you. Your offense is progressive and smart and crazy and fun. And New Orleans, Marty Grau, crazy and fun. And people have doubted New Orleans. Could they come back? There is this link between you and the city in which you play.

And I think that's 100 years from now. I mean, do you ever think about that that in a weird way, New Orleans, the city was perfect for you? There's no question. God had a plan. And I felt like it was a calling to come to New Orleans. We needed New Orleans as much as you could say maybe New Orleans needed somebody to believe in them, too. And so it was just, it was the perfect fit. It was the perfect match.

In a way, we were both trying to rebuild, right? Rebuild our lives, our career. There was so many unknowns. And yet I just felt like we were all leaning on each other. And the most amazing thing, I think my wife and I experienced when we came on our recruiting visit, so to speak, in New Orleans was that every person that we met really didn't say anything about football. What they said was, thank you for wanting to be a part of this community and considering New Orleans. And I think you realize very quick was that New Orleans is a special place.

It's a unique place. There's so many of the people who live here have lived here for generations and generations. So it's just in their blood. You know, there's a spirit here. There's a culture here. It's unlike any other. You know, one of the challenges you face now, as a father, a husband, 39 years old, you are now surrounded often by 22-year-olds.

There is an age gap. And it doesn't matter if you're a CEO or a high school principal. You have to bridge that gap. You have to relate to young players who are often backs, receivers, and offensive linemen. How have you done it? Because when I watch you, you are, I mean, you're going to be a 40-year-old guy. you're surrounded by kids and they look up to you and they listen to you and I don't think that's easy and you have bridged it do you think about that yeah you know it is it is unique because I i

definitely feel like you know I i I come from a different generation you know I mean in most cases guys in the last number 22 23 24 you know so I'm 15 16 17 years older than a lot of these guys um you know I i I like to think that being around them rejuvenates me it keeps meet young, you know, I feel a great sense of responsibility, you know, each and every year to come in and take the new, you know, draft class or the young free agents that come in and you're trying to starting from scratch. It's the opportunity to build up the offense and recreate the identity of your team again. And I feel like I learn as much from them as I hope they learn from me.

And, you know, I don't know. I mean, I think having three young boys, too, I mean, as I'm talking to, I'm in the whirlpool at the paint facility with my boys. They're running around. One of them's naked right now jumping in the whirlpool. And they're just like, I mean, they keep me young, too. They keep me up to speed on all, like, the latest Fortnite dancers and all that other stuff, too. So I feel like I'm pretty hip to the game, you know, even though I'm kind of an old guy now. But, no, listen, I, I love the locker room.

being around the guys. I mean, I know that a lot of the guys who have left the game most recently, retired guys that I know one of good friends with, they say, man, the thing I miss the most is the locker room being around the guys in the game day. Those are the things you really can't replace, you know, once you leave the game. And so

I'm just trying to enjoy the moment. Enjoy every second of it. Well, we've enjoyed every second of you, Drew Breeze. 10 minutes on a busy day. Enjoy your family. Thanks for joining our show, buddy. Thanks, Colin. Drew Breese.

he's great. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. The kids running around the facility is the best. That's got to be like the coolest moment for a player. My brother used to bring his sons into the locker room.

It's like, it's like the best feeling to have them around, you know, what it is that you do. All right, so the Chiefs are off to another 5-0 start. I'm very excited for this matchup with the Patriots this weekend, especially since. It's the game of the week. Tom Brady decided. I just sprinkle a little extra sauce on it for everyone. We appreciate that, Tom. Appreciate the content.

Well, Travis Kelsey says this year's fast start feels different for the Chiefs than in recent years, and it's to do their confidence and accountability. I think it has a lot to do with years past. Guys feeling sick of kind of the ups and downs rollercoasters, being able to take what happened last year and fix it. And sure enough, I mean, finishing the games and finishing weekend, week out, finishing the practices. Overall, the finish mindset has been huge.

You know, I heard that a lot this weekend, too, with the Rams. I don't think it's any coincidence that those two teams are on top of the league right now. There's a lot of talk about transparency and accountability and a little bit of what you were alluding to with Odell yesterday, just having open conversations about what's actually happening with the team. I feel like that changes things because you are accountable within each other. The other thing is we have to remember, Joy, September. is really a fun month for offensive players.

The Kansas City is ultimately going to be defined by stopping people. Sure. Okay. So now the weather gets crappy. And now you're going to turn the ball over. And now, you know, the receiver slip on the routes and the ball comes out of your hand. Is that ultimately September is really built for the most athletically gifted offensive teams. Now from about two weeks from now, Kansas City is going to, I can't wait to see this about New England.

Can you get New England off the field? Because my gut feeling is New England is going to chip away at them four and a half yards at a time. And Patrick Malm is going to be sitting on that sideline sitting there not getting the ball. Sure. I mean, the true test of what you are is adversity, not when things are great. Right. So this weekend for the Rams going against the Seahawks and not being the breeze blowout that we thought it was going to be. Like those kind of situations are really what tests you as a team.

But I think what he's alluding to is there's a feeling of optimism now, whereas before it's like, All right, we're kind of starting to fall apart. It's kind of what we do. It's a change in mindset. So the Eagles and Fletcher Cox agreed to a restricted contract that frees up $6.5 million in caps face this season and $11.7 million more next season. So what are the Eagles up to? Well, Levy on Bell, according to Adam Schefter, that is not the case. They are not trying to get Levy on Bell.

But with J. J. J. J.I. season ending ACL injury on Sunday, it's hard to imagine that the Eagles aren't trying to utilize. utilize this new cap space for something. So how Harry Roseman might be. I still can't figure out why the New York Jets don't make a run at him. I mean, it's entirely plausible that the Steelers are also not trying to trade him. Yeah, I mean, you have to entertain any trade offers. James Connor. James Connor's getting plenty of yards.

You know, like 600 yards. You have to entertain trade offers. But at the end of the day, I think they're probably just trying to stick with Lebanon. Because they don't know what they're trading for. Are you trading the price of a rental or the price of a rental or the price of Levyon Bell for the next four years. Well, you wouldn't trade for him if you weren't going to pay him. Right, but you can't

sign him. So he could then, you could trade a first round pick for him, and then he signed somewhere else, and you wasted a first round pick for half a season of Levyon Bell. Well, it's certainly risky for whoever's going to make the trade more than it is for the Steelers. But in my opinion, the Steelers are probably trying to hold on to him for whenever they get into the postseason. James Conner's been doing a nice job, but Levyon Bell is Levyon Bell. So all this trade talk may just be, you know, smoke and mirrors.

Finally, Steph Curry, so the Warriors should not be afraid to discuss the notion of winning their third consecutive NBA title this season. And really, that should come as a surprise to no one because he believes that the three-peat is very much attainable for Golden State. He said we talk about the three-peat just because it's in front of us. We understand that winning a championship is attainable if we take care of business and doing it three years in a row. It's a tremendous opportunity for us that we should not be afraid to talk about and go after. I know everyone's going to freak out because he said three-ped and championship. And I don't know what else were their expectations supposed to be for the season. Well, you're supposed to be confident.

I don't have a problem with it. They're favorites and they should be favorites. They have the best group of players easily in the league, the best roster easily. I mean, it's not even that he's being conceded or anything like that. Like the goal is to win championships. That should be everyone's goal going into the season. If that's not your goal, then your organization needs to back it on up and fix your mentality. Your goal is to win a ring.

They've been winning rings, and then they've won the last two rings, so they're trying to win another one. That's just the way that it goes. And everyone gets, like, super crazy when people talk about winning a championship before the season starts. but I do think it's going to be different for Golden State this year, whereas last year during the regular season, they kind of coasted a little bit and it got a little boring.

I feel like at least they should go into this season with a little more sense of urgency during the regular season. Yeah, I mean, they got smoked multiple times by over 20 points last year. I think it's really hard. I think it's a star-driven league, and basketball's different. When you step on the floor at the YMCA, you know who's got better players. It's not like the NFL where there's a lot of injuries during a year or hockey, your goalie gets hot.

Basketball is a weird sport. If I got better players than you, I can beat you all day, and I can beat you next year, and I can beat you next year. They have the best players, and they know it every game they step on the floor. So the battle isn't physically. The battle is psychological. Like, how do you get ramped up? They've won so they know exactly what it takes to do that in the postseason. Joy Taylor with the news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. David and Joe Koo, Cleveland Brown tied in, will be joining us before the end of the hour. Drew Brees just stopped by. I love having that. Well, we do it every Tuesday at this time because Drew Brie said a bunch of records. We pushed it off for 30 minutes.

But let's do it on Tuesday. Let's do our herd hierarchy. Heard hierarchy. Time is now. Let's go. The top 10 NFL teams, according to college, number 10. I like the Chicago Bears. Didn't play, but they're number one in the NFL in sacks.

Best pass rush in the NFL. They lead the NFC and takeaways. They have the best rushing defense. And I think Mitch Trubisky is limited, but Matt Nagy is a very clever offensive coach. They're about 60% college, 40% pro. And I hope the Bears remain in the top 10 all year. I think it's a really, really interesting team. And they have what Chicago's always been led by their defense.

Find a great Bears team. It always feels like it's led by its defense. So they're playing to brand, but I have the Bears at number 10. Number nine. Minnesota, same division. Listen, Kirk Cousins is fine. I mean, he's not, you know, in a top 7, 8 in the NFL, but he's third in the NFL in passing. They have tremendous wide receiver threats.

And by the way, here's the thing about Minnesota. Their defense isn't great, but it's not bad on third down. Listen, everybody's scoring in this league. I kind of look at your third down defense. Can you situationally get the opposing offense off the field? Minnesota's not terrible at that. They're not. And so I have the Vikings where they're

a very electric pass offense, a good home field advantage, the best roster in their division, and they get you off the field pretty well on third down is number nine. Number eight. Carolina Panthers. Listen, when Cam's winning, it's because he has a very dynamic running game, and Carolina leads the NFL in rushing. But I also think this is it. He's completed over 60% of his passes.

He didn't play brilliantly for all of the New York Giants game, but he did make some big throws. this team is different. They're a little bit like Chicago. They're going to do it with their front seven defensively. They're going to run the football more than other teams. They're not going to be as dynamic on the perimeter and outside. I think Christian McCaffrey leaves them in receptions. That tells you all you need to know.

But they're definitely a top 10 team. I have Carolina at number eight. Number seven. I still think Pittsburgh's loaded. And again, Pittsburgh's got problems defensively. But here's what they do. They get to the quarterback. So my theory on the NFL, if they're the opposite of New England.

New England's great on the back end of their defense. Pittsburgh's great up front. They're not good in the back end. And if you told me I had a choice between the two, I'd rather have a great pass rush and figure out the secondary later. By the way, the Steelers have scored 30 plus points in three of their last four games. And James Conner's got almost 600 scrimmage yards. So they're not a great team, but I thought they were super impressive against Atlanta. They are growing, and I have them at number seven.

Number six. I still like the Ravens a lot. I wish Joe Flacco at 6'5 would have fewer balls batted down at the line of scrimmage. I can't figure that out. But they bring in Lamar Jackson now that works. They lead the NFL in scoring defense. And they also lead the NFL in third down defense. And again, I think this team's going to be better by Thanksgiving.

They got two rookie tight ends, three new wide receivers. They had many opportunities to win that game. And they didn't. But I'm not selling all my stock on Baltimore. I still think they're the best team in that division. best defense in that division, best scoring defense in the NFL, best third down defense in the NFL with a veteran quarterback and a veteran head coach. Number five.

L.A. Chargers. I mean, they just threw the Raiders around for three and a half hours. By the way, their only losses are to the 5-0 Chiefs and the 5-0 Rams, and they were in both those games. So Philip Rivers has had six consecutive games with multiple touchdown passes dating back to last season. and that's the NFL's longest streak. And if you watch the Raider game again, that defense shut down the Raiders. And the Raiders have all sorts of offensive elements,

and they shut them down. They may be the second team in L.A., but the Chargers, personnel, front to back, is really, really good. Number four. New England, the quarterback coach league. They've scored 38 points in each of their last two games. Again, they don't have a pass rush.

And I don't know if you can generate one. I think you can get their secondary is great. The strength of their team. Brady, Gronk, Edelman, Chris Hogan, Sony, Michelle, that rookie running back, James White. Their strength of their offense is they've got a lot of efficient offensive players. Not a lot of dynamic guys, but a lot of efficient guy. They can pick up yards. A lot of first downs, a lot of time of possession.

Defensively, no pass rush, but they're tremendous a corner, great at safety. And I think they have the best coach and quarterback in the NFL, so I have them at four. Number three. I think the Saints remind me a lot of the Patriots with a better offensive line. Nobody in the NFL's allowed fewer sacks. They've got a better offensive line in New England, and they do have a dynamic wide receiver on the outside. But I look at this team, and I think smart, efficient,

they can five-yard you to death. You can't get to their quarterback. They don't turn it over much. Very good home field advantage. I mean, that was embarrassing for Washington last night. That wasn't competitive. And that was Alex Smith and a veteran coach with coming off a bye week. I got New Orleans at three.

Number two. Kansas City. By the way, even Vegas admits that turnovers are random except for New England and Kansas City. Andy Reed's teams don't turn the ball over. Only three turnovers. Once again, Kansas City, fewest turnovers in the NFL. Now, their last in total defense, and that's a huge problem. They started last year, 5 and 0, they're 5 and 0.

I think against New England, I think the way you look at Kansas City is just five yard and death. Death by a thousand cuts. I think the defense is ultimately going to catch up to them. They've got to get better, especially in the back end. Too many explosion plays they give up, but I have Kansas City at two. Number one. The Rams.

Listen, going to Seattle, losing two of your receivers and still winning that game, I still think this is a great football team. Now, it's a salary cap era. They're not perfect. They don't have a great pass rush. Indomac and Sue and Aaron Donald are monsters on the interior, but they don't have a great pass rush. And it's safety back end.

You can go over the top a little bit on them. I don't think their linebacking core is perfect. But if you're talking, you know, coaching, coordinating, O-line, interior D-line, corners, receivers, superstar back. You know, it's funny for all the points, they still feel like a power offense to me with Todd Gurley. I have the Rams at number one. Brown's tight end, David and Joe Koo, going to be joining us. By the way, you guys think I don't like Baker Mayfield. How come I always talk about the Cleveland Browns?

How come I'm having another Cleveland Brown on if I don't like Baker Mayfield? That's coming up next. I want to thank Drew Breeze for stopping by our show today. As always, he was total class. Impossible not to root for. Drew Breeze set the all-time record last night. And by the way, you could make an argument if not for the Drew Breeze, a six-foot quarterback, maybe people don't draft a Tarad Taylor, a Baker Mayfield,

a Russell Wilson, that he has opened the door for quarterbacks that aren't six-four, and they're not as big as Terry Bradshaw, and they're not as tall as Drew Bledsoe. And there's a kid in Cleveland right now, Baker-Mayfield. A few years ago, maybe you don't look at Baker-Mayfield and make him a number one pick, but Drew Breeze has opened the door for guys that don't have cannon armed that aren't six-five, and it just, it makes me happy because Drew is total class. And with that be the Coward Global Satellite Network. David and Jokou, second year,

tied end for the Cleveland Browns. As I bring up Baker Mayfield, it should be noted. Second year in Cleveland, since Baker Mayfield arrived, your targets have gone up. So there's something working here with you in Baker Mayfield. Am I right here? Something's working. We're trying, you know.

We're working really hard in practice every week. And it's starting a show during games. Baker's different. He's a talker. He is fun. He's on social media. When Cleveland drafted him, what did you think you were getting? And is he the same thing you got? Is he kind of what you thought you'd get? Yeah. When we picked him up, I was really excited, you know. It's clear that he has that attitude, you know. And he backs it up with his gameplay, you know, in practice and in games, obviously you see him playing very. very well and we're really excited to see him progress. Was there, was it very early in practice?

Was there a practice at camp? Was there a moment in OTAs? When was the moment, David, you knew with Baker Mayfield, oh, this dude can play? Honestly, the moment I knew he could play was when he put, I don't know who they played in college, but he put a flag in the middle of the field. And I saw that.

And that's when I realized I was like, okay, We have a baller. A baller here for sure. You know, Baker's a guy that you guys have been in wildly close games. Your games have been decided by 0, 3, 4, 3, and 3 points. And so you're in these crazy competitive games. Even though you haven't won all of them, what is it like to be in a series of close NFL games? Do you think in a weird way it's helped you?

I mean, hopefully in the future we don't have to make it that close. you know so where it's you know three points or two points or whatever but um one thing i've noticed about this team is that you know we uh we don't quit you know uh like like as as uh we've all seen the past few games you know it literally went down to the last play of the game and you see the offense defense and special teams fighting like crazy and um i'm just i'm just really happy to be a part of this team and um i'm really excited to see this uh progress this year how many many times does Baker audible at the line? I mean, he obviously likes you a lot. He's watching you and Jarvis Landry a lot. How much of the offense comes from the sideline? Are there

times Baker's in a huddle? Baker's at the line. He's looking at you, David, and you kind of feel like this may be a little off script. Is the offense feel completely designed or are there times with Baker? He's kind of ad-lib and doing his thing? No, actually, it seems pretty organized, you know. Our coaches, Todd, my tight-ins coach, and our quarterbacks coach, they do a tremendous job of getting us the information that we need to play every week. And yeah, so it's, to me, it seems everything is pretty organized. By the way, you guys run hard knocks. I'm not a huge fan of hard knocks. I wouldn't want cameras around me all day because I think if I had cameras around me, I would act. I wouldn't be natural. I'd be making sure I don't look like a goofball. When you guys had hard knocks on, were you concerned at all that, oh, good Lord, we just came off in 016 season. We got a camera crew. Did that worry you at all?

No. It was just another outside distraction that you have to, you know, just put away. You have to focus on, you know, camp that, what was at hand. And I think we had a great camp. And now it's time to just win some games. By the way, Todd Haley is known as a professional. pretty tough coach. You didn't have Todd Haley last year. You have Todd Haley this year. Take some time. Tell me about Todd Haley. Because when I watch Hard Knocks, he's tough. He's loud.

He's intense. What's he like? He's exactly what you mentioned. He's a tough coach. But at the same time, he's a great coach. The way he coaches us, I believe it helps us because, you know, it puts your back against the wall. and you rather, you know, make a play you don't. So for me, I definitely enjoy that way of coaching. And I think Todd's a character. I'm going to leave right that. He's definitely a character. But a great coach, for sure.

Does he ever have to scream at a young guy like you? Has he ever screamed at you? Come on in Joku, get it together. Of course. Of course. I mean, come on. You know, when it's practice is hot, you know, things aren't going our way. He's going to, you know, start getting a little loud.

but at the same time, it's football and it all comes with it. Well, I think the offense handles it well. Yeah. Listen, I know Baker doesn't like me, but you could say hi for me. I am actually, I think you're going to beat the Chargers this weekend. I think this is an interesting team with a lot of dudes, and Baker's playing really well, and you're fun to watch, and you've been in five straight nail biters.

And good luck to you, David. Thanks for coming on the show. Thanks for having me. Appreciate it. You bet. But by the way, the other team, now don't the Raiders this weekend who just beat them a couple weeks ago, they go to London? The Raiders are going to London to take on Seattle this weekend. So, you know, it's – Doug Gottlieb came on and talked about John Gruden.

And, you know, I didn't love – I didn't love John Gruden. I wouldn't have hired him. Just because he's been out of the game too long, I saw it with Joe Gibbs. Here's the funny thing about John Gruden. And I think this is fascinating about the Raiders. Now, I look real smart today because I said it won't work. And they traded Khalil Mack and he's getting crushed. And yesterday, listen to this, Gruden's like talking about how depressed he is.

Here's John Gruden. I'm depressed. I'm tired. I'm tired. I want to win. I want to do better. And we've got to get back to work here. There's some negative things that are still resonating with me and Raider Nation.

I'm going to continue to emphasize the good and do everything I can to fix the things. things that are bad because most of the things that are bad, my fingerprints are all over. He has become next to Mike Tomlin the best quote in the NFL. But here's the thing. You know, I've said this before. The NFL is like Wall Street. There's a sea of money. If you're good at your job in the NFL, coach, assistant, coordinator, GM, you're going to get rich. You're going to make a million dollars or more. So money's never been a problem for Gruden. He made it as a head coach. He made a ton of it. I think he was ESS. SPN's highest paid on-air person.

Now he signed a 10-year, $100 million deal for the Raiders. But I still think this feels like he chose money over stability. And in the NFL, to me, like Drew Brees said this, 20 minutes ago on our show. Everybody's caught up and I want to get the money. I want to go high in the draft. And in the end, it's all about fit and stability. They have the poorest owner in the NFL. They have the worst stadium revenue in the NFL.

They're going to be moving in a year or sooner in the NFL. There's instability everywhere. I mean, if you ever seen the NFL, you ever seen, a jenga, the game, the jenga tower, if you did a jenga tower, the teams at the bottom, the stable teams are New England, in Baltimore, in Green Bay, in Denver, and then as you go up to jenga tree,

the tower, like the Raiders would be at the top of it. The poorest owner, the worst revenue. They're going to be moving now for the third, maybe the fourth time in 25 years. It's weird to me that John Gruden, the last thing Gruden should have worried about was money. Because, I mean, he was, by the way, he made a ton

in a state with no state tax in a city, Tampa, you can buy a mansion for $2 million. He was loaded. He bestselling book, highest paid coach, highest paid broadcaster, and it feels like 10 years, $100 million. Dude, he chose in unstable.

Like, the Raiders were not, he had like the Eagles wanted him. Tennessee foot. There were so many jobs that wanted him. Well, look, $100 million is $100 million. So I'm not going to pretend like money doesn't have something to do with it because it's 100 million dollars. But yes, he had a stable situation calling football games and he's made a ton of money over his career, but maybe he just wanted a challenge. People do that.

Maybe he was in a cycle every single day. Coaching in the NFL is a challenge. Why make it harder? I mean, like, I mean, why do people do anything that's hard on themselves? To prove something to yourself, to achieve something you wanted to achieve it didn't before? If the Raiders are off from a five-year deal, do you take it? No. I don't know, maybe. It's not as stable enough. The Jenga Tower. It's one of those little blocks at the top that's going to pull it out.

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Ah, hour three. This is the herd, wherever you may be. However you may be listening live in Los Angeles. Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio and FS1. Again in Los Angeles, hour number three. Joy Taylor is joining me. Drew Brees stopped by today. Very nice.

He was only on a couple of shows. Picked ours, always appreciate that. Total class. Gary Myers has got. going to be joining us, Joey, in 15 minutes. He is a longtime New York sports writer who covers the NFL exclusively. He's got a new book, How About Them Cowboys? He goes inside some really interesting stuff on Jerry Jones and Jason Garrett and Stephen

Jones and the relationship and Dak. A lot of chatter lately about Jason Garrett. A lot of chatter in Vegas right now. Jason Garrett is the leading coach to be fired in the NFL. Jerry historically has had patience. He gave Barry Switzer a lot of years, Dave Campbell a lot of years. Dave Campbell a lot of years, sometimes to the chagrin of cowboy fans. So coming up in 15 minutes, NFL columnist, Gary Myers, who's got a new cowboy book.

Later and best for last, I'll give you the most impressive Drew Bree stat. Nobody is talking about. But let's talk about last night. Drew Breeze last night made NFL history last night. So I'm going to start right there. I'm always more impressed when people overcome things in life. I want you to think about the obstacles. Drew Breeze is faced in life.

Number one, DNA. He's six feet tall. There was no Russell Wilson. People didn't want to draft him. Six feet tall quarterbacks don't make it. DNA disadvantage. Junior year of high school, tears his knee up. Senior year, nobody will give him a scholarship

except two basketball schools, Purdue and Kentucky. He goes to the NFL where he's good in San Diego for three years, and then they draft Philip Rivers, another obstacle. Oh, by the way, in the NFL's last game in San Diego. He hurts his shoulder. And then he goes to Miami and publicly the doctor says, I can't clear you to play. Obstacle.

And then he goes to New Orleans and it's a natural disaster. Katrina, obstacle. They play home games in San Antonio. One of them in New York. And then halfway through his stay in New Orleans, Sean Payton gets suspended for a year, his architect. His life is a movie that you cry at. You cry during.

It's not a documentary. It's a tearjerker. It's a star is born. I mean, it's incredible what he's overcome. We live in a time now. God, you spend five minutes on Twitter. It's woe is me. Everybody's against me.

I had to, hey, millennials, sorry if mom didn't pack you lunch and fold your underwear. Drew Breeze, it's been every two years a major obstacle, natural disasters, DNA, injuries. His timing's been terrible. God, he goes to New Orleans. Katrina, his last game in San Diego, he gets hurt. The greatest eight quarterbacks I've ever seen play the game, Peyton, Brady, Montana, Bradshaw, Elway, Marino, Aikman, Breeze. And all of them have different stories, but compare it to Peyton Manning. He broke his record last night, right?

Passing yards. But think of Peyton Manning's path. Peyton Manning DNA. Perfect. Six-5. Peyton Manning's dad, NFL quarterback. Peyton Manning had his choice of SEC schools surrounded by NFL players. And then when he goes to Indianapolis, oh, they land Bill Pollian,

Hall of Fame General Manager, who gives Peyton Manning great player after great player after great player on the offensive side. He also got drafted. I mean, if you think about Peyton Manning's life and he deserves all the acclaim, he didn't face all these obstacles. Drew Breeze from DNA on. Nothing but hurdles. Nothing but roadblocks.

And he breaks Peyton Manning's record. It's unbelievable. So when I say great eight quarterbacks and people push back on it, I'm like, look at your own life. I mean, I say this all the time. I had a few divorces in my life when I was a kid. But my mom was doting. My dad was a doctor, so I got some of his brain power. I had a good relationship with my sister.

I lived in the same house forever. I got a quarterback in high school. I fell in love with sports. I grew up in a small town, so there was, you know, lots of space right next to the beach, had a good dog. I may have some issues in my life, but I didn't have that many roadblocks. I had a good life. I went to therapy once.

I was like, what am I crying for? I didn't have any roadblocks. Yeah, there's a few divorces in my life. Drew Breeze's life? His athletic career? His professional career? It's just like it's a steeple chase. Hurdle after hurdle after hurdle after hurdle after hurdle after hurdle.

and here's the play where he set the record. So the family's on the field in anticipation of celebration. Will we get it here before halftime? Great up. What a way to do it! Isn't that great? Isn't that fitting? A big play.

A big play. Congratulations to Drew Breeze. Tip of the cat, one of my all-time favorite guy. He started watching football in 1972. His story is as great as anybody that's ever played that position in this league. amazing. Let me shift gears to this. Drew Breeze, it's fitting Drew Breeze did what he did last night because the NFL's hard. Careers don't last very long. You don't have guaranteed contracts. A doctor can say, you're not clear to play. It's hard. That's why I think I've always liked

football players more than other athletes. It's hard, man. It's hard. Successful guys are dealing with injuries. So the Philadelphia Eagles yesterday, just found out J.J. J. Jai, a running back, tore his ACL. Oh, another bit of bad news for the Eagles.

By the way, he called out the team and their play calling. Hours later, he found out ACL tear probably out for the year. Yeah, when you win in Philadelphia and then you start lecturing the NFL,

Drew Brees showed you last night. It's hard. Think about all the things that have changed in the last five to six months for Philadelphia. Their offensive coordinators now a head coach he left in Indianapolis. Their quarterback coach is now the offensive coordinator in Minneapolis. Legerrett Bunt, Trey Burton, Brent Selleck retires, Tori Smith traded, Mike Wallace placed on IR, Darren Sprouls out since week one, Jay Ajai, probably out for the year.

Okay? This is why I said the Philadelphia Eagles, books, parades, chatter, politics reminding me so much of my hometown Seattle Seahawks. New England is on their 18th straight year of being in the Super Bowl conversation. Do we understand how unbelievable that is? We're a few months removed from the Super Bowl champs. They go into camp. They're a mess.

They're season Thursday against the New York Giants. I know it's like week six, but am I wrong saying it's a must win? This is why I compared the Eagles to the Seahawks. They were historically frustrating franchise. They land a star quarterback. It doesn't take long. They win a Super Bowl. They get loud.

They start talking. They lose coordinators. And the next morning they wake up. Oh. Oh, we're back to being what we looked like. You ever throw a big party at your house? You ever throw a big party at your house? And I mean, here's my thing.

but my wife and I once a twice a year will throw a party. And I'm like, I don't want a party until four in the morning because I know what it looks like in my house the next morning when I wake up. This is why one of the mantras on my show is celebrate briefly grime daily. The bigger the party, the bigger the mess the following morning when you wake up. Folks, getting to the top is one thing. Staying there is harder. There's been a lot of one hit.

wonders in music. There's a handful of legends. In Philadelphia, don't give up on them. That division's not very good. I still think the Philadelphia Eagles will find a way to get into the playoffs. But what you're seeing, JHAIA, out now probably for the year, you know what you should be thinking about? How damn impressive New England is?

Philadelphia, that's got a good owner, a great GM, a great coach, a great quarterback. Check, check, check, check, check, check. All the things. Great offensive line. Great defensive line. It's man overboard. Six months later. Coming up next, long-time NFL writer Gary Myers, New York Daily News.

He's left that gig. He's writing books. He's got one on the Dallas Cowboys. All sorts of inside, good insight, gossip, good stuff, big jade journalism, all the stuff we like. The National League Championship Series is now set Friday. It's game one of the NLC. as Manny Machado, Plain Kirshaw, and the Dodgers take on MVP candidate, Christian Yelich, and the Brewers.

Coverage begins at 7 Eastern on FS1 and the Fox Sports app. Dodgers, if you've not seen them play, I'm not sure if they have the pitching that stacks up, but Cody Bellinger bat's seventh. Yassil-Puig, 8. It was Chris Taylor off the bench, Matt Kemp, David Freeze, so they can, they're stacked. Their batting lineup is absolutely stacked. Well, our next guest started covering the NFL in 1978. He was an NFL columnist for the Dallas.

morning news, one of the great American newspapers, then moved to New York and covered the New York Giants in the NFL. So if it's giants or cowboys, he knows what he's talking about. And he's got a new book called How About Them Cowboys. It's going to be released. What is the date today? It's October 9th. What is the day today?

Is it the 9th today? It's the 9th. Oh, it's getting released today. There you go. Well, look at that. I'm looking at that and I'm thinking, wait, it is October 9th. It's an inside look at Jerry Jones and his empire and plenty of other. Cowboy Stories and Drama via the Coward Global Satellite Network.

Gary Myers joining us. So explain this to me. You know, Jason Garrett, I mean, again, it's not a disaster. It's not Dave Campo. It's not man overboard. But the fans in the media are very tough on him. But Jerry seems to have an allegiance to Jason Garrett. How close are they?

It appears he almost treats him like a son. Like, I mean, it's, were you surprised at the country? close to this? Or what did you find in that relationship while writing the book? Well, you know, considering how close they are, I'm kind of surprised that Jason and his wife don't actually live in the Jones Mansion in Dallas. But they are that close. I think Jerry has finally opted for stability in that organization after going through a lot of coaches following Jimmy Johnson. And, you know, Jason, I think Jason is the perfect coach for Jerry just in terms of he lets Jerry be Jerry. He lets Jerry play with this toy, this $5 billion enterprise.

And in return, Jerry's been very loyal to Garrett, which I think is upset a lot of people in Dallas, especially after his decision on Sunday night not to go for it on fourth and one in overtime in Houston. Is it possible that Jerry Jones likes Dak Prescott more than Jason Garrett likes Dak Prescott and Jason knows it and that Jason doesn't love Dak and looks around the league and sees golf and Mahomes. What do you make of that? Does Jason truly believe in DAC? Well, right now there's no alternative,

so he better believe in him. Otherwise, this season is going to be shot in the next couple of weeks. But, you know, Dak played so well in 2016 that Romo was unable to get off the bench. He gave that concession speech around November of 2016 when he was ready to play but realized that he couldn't because Dak, I think, was in the process. of winning 11 games in a row.

They, and to that point, Romo and Garrett were extremely close. They used to go to Maverick games together. They went to Duke to watch them play basketball. They made that trip together. And Garrett's decision not to even allow Romo to compete to win his job back was very similar to what happened to Drew Bledso in 2001 in New England. And whereas Bledso and Bledso and Belichick were never close. by any means, Romo and Garrett were very close, and Jason's decision not to allow Tony to even compete.

That split up that friendship, and there was a lot of friction there at the end. If that hadn't happened, if they were still on good terms at the end of that season, perhaps Tony would have come back thinking he had a chance to compete for his job in training camp in 2017. Instead, he asked for his release, considered signing with the Texans and then decided not to. You know, Jerry still holds a press conference after every game. He's the only owner that has a Monday radio show. So when people tell me, you know, he's less involved, let me lean on you.

You covered this team and followed this team. You know, people, has he disengaged? Or does Jerry, is his shadow hovering over game plans? Is his shadow hovering over draft day? Colin, I saw that. series that Amazon did last year where they followed the Cowboys around for the year. And it was startling to me that in a Monday morning coaches meeting, Jerry and sometimes Stephen would be in that meeting where they were discussing what one right and what went wrong on game day.

And I don't think there's any other one in the league, maybe Al Davis back in the day, whoever did anything like that. As far as hovering over the game plan, I don't think he's that involved to that extent that he's telling Jason, you know, we've got to throw the ball more, we got to run it more. He is involved in the draft, but he doesn't impose his will to the extent that people think he does. And I have a great story in the book, an anecdote, about the 2014 draft with Johnny Mansell. And Stephen Jones gave me a play-by-play of the draft room from about 10 minutes before the Cowboys were on the clock until they went ahead and took Zach Martin over Johnny Mansell, despite the fact that Jerry went around the room and basically

who was pleading with anybody else to side with him on Mansell. And when he couldn't find anybody, he said, okay, go ahead, take Zach Martin. But after the pick was turned in, Jerry turned to Stephen, who was sitting right next to him, slapped him really hard on the leg, and said, son, I didn't get to where I was in my life by playing things down the middle. And if you just play things down the middle and don't take any risks, you're not going to get very far either. And Stephen was really hurt by that because he felt he was doing what was right for the organization. But to Jerry's credit, if you want to give him credit on anything, he didn't force him to take Mansell. Yeah, well, that's part of it. The book is How About Them Cowboys, released today, Amazon.com,

inside look, Jerry Jones Empire and plenty of the other cowboy drama. I want to shift to the New York Giants, a team you covered forever. Odell Beckham came out. Now, I actually defended Odell. I said, listen, there's very few guys in an NFL roster. In the NBA, you can't be cut. In Major baseball you can't be cut in the NFL you could cut tom brady tomorrow you'd have a cap hit but you could do it um i mean odell is one of the few people in that locker room that can come out say something and not be demoted didn't he just mention the elephant in the room that eli appears to be at times often a shot fighter i mean he's one of the more popular players i think his words matter i this is one of the few times odell i'm like he didn't it didn't seem hurtful he didn't

seem inauthentic i mean what did you make of his comment about Eli and the organization? I think that Odell's statements were right on the money. Everything he said, it was hard to disagree with. Why isn't the ball going more than 20 yards down the field? Is Eli the problem? Well, I'm not really sure. And by not giving his endorsement,

you know that he thinks Eli is the problem. It's just you just don't say those things. That stuff should remain in the locker room. At least that's the way coaches want it. Right. And the thing about Odell is that everybody was saying, no, from April 1st until he signed his contract, Odell has grown up, that he's matured and he's going to be more of a team guy and not just talking about Odell and getting the ball. Well, what he was doing there then, Colin, is that as soon as he realized the Giants were willing to trade him,

and as soon as he realized that maybe they weren't going to give him a new contract, all of a sudden he grew up for four months. And as soon as he got his money, is it really surprising? he's gone back to being Odell. He was protecting his money, which turned out to be a $90 million extension with $65 million guaranteed. Now he's got his money in his pocket. The first month of the season didn't go was planned. He hadn't scored a touchdown.

So we spoke up. That's just Odell being Odell. The real Odell was on vacation for about four months until he got his new contract. By the way, Sam Darnold won this weekend. Sam Darnold's favor to win again this weekend. You know, I suggested on multiple times, that you start looking at Carson Wentz, if you have to play him 10 times minimum in the next five years

and 20 times in the next decade, I got to do better than Eli Manning. Do you think they'll rule the day? Do you think there were people in the Giants organization that tried to get the GM to draft Donald? Or do you believe there was some fear based on the previous season of benching Eli and an older Giants fan base really pushing back,

deeply offended? how close do you think they got to a quarterback pick? Right away when Gettelman was introduced as the GM a couple days before the last game of the 2017 season, he came out and endorsed Eli. Yes. And when Shermer got hired a few weeks later, he endorsed Eli and said,

well, we watched them in the Philadelphia game in December and he can still sling it. Well, they picked out one game out of a 3 and 13 season, and they still lost that game to a backup quarterback. Ultimately, what I think would have, happened on draft day. It wasn't so much that they were convinced Eli still had two good years left in them. And it certainly wasn't because they thought that Sequin Barkley was a generational player, even though he was, and he is rather. I firmly believe now that the Giants passed on a

quarterback because in their evaluations, they didn't look at any of those four guys who went in the top ten as being our guy for the next 15 years. Otherwise, it's malpracticed by that organization to pass on one of those guys, to keep a 37-year-old quarterback who's coming off two or three really bad years when people don't think he can play anymore. It doesn't make sense. And I have more respect for Dave Gettleman to think that he stuck with Eli because he still thinks Eli can be great. Now, what I think happened is they just felt like the other four guys, none of them were going to be their guy. You can criticize him for that, but at least that was their evaluation of those rookies. we'll see how it turns out. I think they made a huge mistake that would just,

Colin, it would be accentuated if Sam Donald is finally the guy to end that Super Bowl streak of not being in a Super Bowl. That's now at 50 years for the New York Jets. Finally, let's wrap back around to the Cowboys. The book is called How About Them Cowboys, Gary Myers, and New York Times bestselling author, Inside the Huddle, Stars, and Legends. Was there something?

Because obviously you covered them before, and being a giant's guy, you've been to Dallas at least once a year for the last. 15, 20 years. But was there something that surprised you, a story, a nugget, a culture that surprised you writing this book? You know, Colin, I think that maybe the best quote that I have in the book is from a story that Jimmy Johnson told me. And this happened, he told me this last year, but this happened a few years ago. Troy Aikman was beside himself when Jimmy left. He just didn't like Barry Switzer, you know, Barry had recruited him to Oklahoma. Troy broke his leg. By the time he came back,

Barry changed the offense and Troy transferred to UCLA. They're sitting around having a beer, and Troy says to Jimmy, and this is, to me, it's so compelling. He just says, you know, we could have been Brady and Belichick. Why did you have to leave? And Jimmy basically told Troy, I don't think like that. My whole life is predicated on being happy. And I guess wasn't happy. So even if I left Super Bowls on the table, it doesn't bother me to this day. And I think that really tells the story of the last 20 years of the Cowboys, how these two guys who were incredibly successful in Jerry and Jimmy with unbelievable egos,

couldn't find a way to share the credit to keep this thing going. Free agency had just started. The Cowboys had the best young talent in the league. Even if they start losing free agents, Jimmy was so. good at personnel, he would have replenish the talent. That team easily could have won four in a row because they won three out of four. And they could have won five or six in a row. At that point, Colin, their talent was so much better than any other team in the league.

And they were all young. Yes. They could have sustained that for a long time. And I think that kind of hovers over this entire book, the what could have been that these guys down the way to get along. Can't wait to read it. Gary, love having you on the show. Good luck.

the book is called How About Them Cowboys? Thank you, sir. Anytime, Colin. Thank you for having me on. By the way, Goulet, you grew up in Connecticut and we're a cowboy fan. Yep. And I've said this before. The last NFL team, you'd think it's the Patriots.

But I can watch the Patriots, and it's almost like they're just kind of a business. And I'm a chef. Sports is my produce. I like the best fresh produce, right? New England's really good produce. They're well-run. They're smart. I admire the New England Patriots.

The last team I was a fan of. Like I would get emotional about. Scream at the TV was Dallas Cowboys when they had Aikman. That team was, they were literally like a movie. You had the head coach with the big personality and the star quarterback and the star receiver was controversial and a star running back. And Jerry was this young Maverick owner. The hole in the roof.

That was the last. They were like, they were a movie. The cowboys were, that's why I've always said, I always love when USC and the Miami Hurricanes are great in college football. They transcend the sport. The cowboys were the Lakers in cleats. They were just bigger than the league. They just felt massive. And it was like star coach, star receiver, star back, star quarterback, star stadium, star uniform, star brand.

The Patriots, it's like, it's a machine. It's a conveyor belt of excellence. But I don't have an emotional, like if New England, At Belichick, Brady, retired tomorrow, I'd be tip of the cap. Nice run. That was the last emotional response to sports that you've had. That's been a long time.

No, no. It was the last NFL team that I was emotionally, I didn't feel as good on a Monday if they lost. You don't get emotional about NFL teams anymore. I mean, a couple years ago, the Seahawks played the Patriots in the Super Bowl. My hometown team and the team, I lived in Connecticut, but I grew up in the Northwest, and I was like, that coin flip, I don't care.

I didn't have it. I liked Russell Wilson a lot, so I was like, it'd be kind of cool. Do you not want to reveal your biases by telling us which team still has some emotional ties to you? None of them do. None. It's all dead for you. No. No, I, listen, if you listen to me, I admire excellence.

I like, listen, it's not, it's your job to be excellent. If you're not, I'm not going to talk about you. I don't care. Now, I do like, I will say this, that the Ohio State football is in the Yankee baseball and the Laker basketball. We're like interesting. We're in the content. Yeah, and I think big traditional brands are good for my business. So I like to see the Celtics face the Warriors in the finals.

I'm not asking what you think, Colin. I'm asking you what you feel. What I feel. No, I don't even care about those teams, John. I don't, I don't, all my home teams were so bad as a kid growing up that I had no problem rooting for other teams. You used to like the Washington Huskies. Yes, when I was your college team. Yeah, and then they broke my heart a thousand times and they have to get dumped 100 times by the girl.

That's how I feel about the dolphins. You've been dumped so many times. You know, now I just, I know what to expect with them. Yeah. I can never be fooled. But I still get emotional about the heat. I will hold on to that. That cowboy team was the Showtime Lakers.

The brand, the coach, it was Pat Riley, the Showtime, Magic, Kareem. It was like stars, the fabulous forum, there were celebrities. It was like the Showtime Lakers and the Cowboys with Aikman and Jimmy Johnson transcended their sport. It was the best show on television. Through a shoe at a TV once or twice. It's like you're reminiscing about when you used to feel for sports. I feel, you know what I feel? No, the business takes it out of you a little bit.

The longer that you're in the business, the harder it is to maintain true fandom, especially on like a national level. We have to talk about everything. If you love the level, you can get more jazz. Drew Brie came in the show today. I love sports again. I mean, he made me, there's a lot I like about sports.

I'm not saying you don't like sports. I feel great energy with sports. I can't. LeBron Lakers, I'm going to be energized watching that. That'll be fun. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. One team you certainly don't feel for is Philadelphia Eagles. You're hard on the Eagles this year. I just think they were so obnoxious last year. They were so obnoxious. Well, they're having a little trouble this year. When J.J. Jai is done for the season, we talked about that at the beginning of the show.

So they're in desperate need of running back help. And get this. They have reportedly reached out to the bills about a possible trade for the Sean McCoy. Oh, that's interesting. Bring it on back. Shady McCoy. He's the Eagles all-time leading rusher. Played the first six seasons of his career with the Eagles.

Oh, he's still great. Yes, yeah. And he was unceremoniously shipped to the bills as part of Chip Kelly's drastic house cleaning in 2014 that did well for Chip Kelly's reputation. That'd be fun. It would be interesting to see him back in Eagles jersey. And I think, you know, I think his, just aside from the fact that obviously he was an eagle, I think this particular Eagles team fits well with LaShawn.

Like the Chip Kelly situation, obviously everything fell apart with the whole. that whole situation. But I think the way that the eagles are constructed, now he'd fit right in in that situation. Obviously, they need running back help. So Deshawn Watson's been taking a beating through five games. He's been sacked 18 times. Oh, boy. Now, a lot of that

has to do with their offensive line, but Bill O'Brien obviously wants to see a reduction on the number of plays as he's getting knocked around. He's a great competitor. He's trying to help his team win. But obviously, those are plays that we want to cut down on. That's not a sustainable way to play. Now,

Obviously, he's getting sacked a lot, but he also took a couple hits in this last game that just, I mean, that hit, this hit. Oh, God. What are you, like, what, I'm watching this and I literally said out loud, what are, what are you doing? No, what are you doing? Oh, look at that. He can't help that situation, but this, there's no way you're running through Jalen Smith. You're not doing it. You're just not running through him.

The TV show Batman, pow, bang, smash. Yes, yes. God, those are shots. You got a slide. You can't. That's RG3-esque, like, where you're just looking at it, like, in what version of reality are you running through those defendants? By the way, Andrew Luck did some of this when he first broke into this league,

and Big Ben did some of this, and by the way, they all got beat up. Like, he can't do this. You cannot take hits like that. You just can't. And Deshawn Watson is a great talent. It was exciting to watch last year, obviously, before his terrible injury. By the way, he's day-to-day with a chest injury. Houston Chronicle said he's day-to-day with a chest injury.

chest injury. Yeah, you got to watch those hits. Finally, Luke Walton made some interesting comments yesterday when he was asked about the noise of the new look Lakers. He thinks the noise will be louder than the Shaq Kobe teams that he was a part of. There's going to be more noise

and any one of us has ever been before. I think this is going to be more only because of the world we live in. What do you think? I don't know. I think I agree with him. Because social media has taken it to a next to another level. And NBA and social media is on even another level than every other sport.

So I do think with LeBron and Lonzo and just the buzz around the team right now, it could excel to that level, especially if there's some drama. Shaq and Kobe, you know, it's just the world's changed and everybody's chatting and everybody's talking and players are breaking stories. The Lakers are going to be the highest rated team in the NBA this year. They'll get the highest ratings for every game they're on. Any game, the Warriors will probably be number two, but the Lakers and LeBron will get the highest rating.

When the number one player joins the number one brand, Alex Rodriguez to the Yankees, it's a paradigm shifter. Yeah, and I don't have any expectations for the first half of the season for the Lakers either because we know LeBron doesn't practice like that, and it's going to take a little time to get this all together. So that's going to make it even more interesting. But yeah, I think he's right about that with social media and just the saturation of coverage these days that wasn't around then. It's just a different world.

Yeah. It'll be different. Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. By the way, can I just say, give me 60 seconds on this. Give me 90 seconds. I just thinking about this today is that I'm a sportscaster.

Now, I work out every day. So I, you know, I sweat, but I'm not an athlete. right? Like over the weekend, Connor McGregor fought an undefeated fighter from Russia, Khabib, and they were fighters, and then a fight broke out at the fight after the fight.

You don't say. And they both hate each other. Shocking. Here's the one thing I'll say about the UFC to support it. And I see the media do this all the If you train for six months to be an attack dog, a barbarian, a relentless fighter,

and then because a buzzer goes off and the fights over, you are suddenly a sophisticated gentleman who plays by the rules. It doesn't work that way. It doesn't work that way. If you are a trash-talking barbarian and you are a trash-talking barbarian and you are ripping a guy's religion and he's ripping you and I'm making threats and I'm talking about your family and then because of bell rings to say the fight is over you think these athletes can just suddenly go okay let's be proper put on a tennis a choir a gamesmanship and

there was a lot of hate for six months in that fight and I'm not saying this is good but sometimes in the media we don't understand boxing's had this happen multiple times. We've had fights at boxing and UFC press conferences. You don't have a team. When you're a man fighting another man in an octagon in a cage, you are a warrior

and because of bell sounds you're still a warrior. You also have to be a professional. That's the difference between you fighting in the street for free and fighting in front of millions of people and making millions of dollars. You're a professional. There's different rules. I don't know. I think these guys

are wired differently. Of course, they're wired differently. But at the end of the day, that that still remains. There's a reason there's a cage around it, and they're not, there's not just people walking up and throwing punches in. Look at this. The announcer had blood on him. Yeah, that's disgusting. Well, that's what the fight is.

That's so gross. I'm just supporting two attacking barbarian professional athletes. I am totally supportive of the barbarian attacking the other barbarian. Inside of the cage that they have allowed them to fight in. And then I'd like to pay my money and go and watch. I'll sit far enough back that hopefully I don't get blood splashed on me. If I do, that's fine. That comes with the territory.

What I don't want is a flying barbarian human in my face. Well, I just think this sport is, you have to be such a crazy person to be in that sport. I said it before. You could take Drew Breeze, who was great last night. If you went to Drew Breeze this morning and say, hey, Drew, I'll give you $10 million if you do a UFC cage fight. He plays in a violent sport. He should pass on that. And Drew Brees would go, are you nuts?

He should pass on that. I would never do that. Even professional athletes in violent sports, look at UFC and go, yeah, I'm not going to ever do anything like that. I think you have to be a crazy person to do that. You do have to be a crazy person to do that, but you can't be so crazy that you put the people who are paying the money that you make money off of in danger. I don't think you can separate the two. I think if you're crazy enough to do that, you can't go uncrazy. It'll make the sport fall apart.

There's levels to this. I understand that people said horrible things to him. Culturally, I'm struggling with having a lot of compassion, like for the world that we live in. People are going to say horrible things to you. You've got to have a thicker skin than that. Like, that's what it is. You can't jump out of the cage. What happens when he jumps out of the octagon starts chasing after someone and there's, say, a woman sitting there who gets trampled and is something terrible happens or she's in the hospital?

Then what? They just pay her hospital bills. What if it's 15 people? What if it's not one woman? What if it's 15 people? Well, then your hospital bills are way more expensive. It can't happen. I don't know.

I think you're trying to ask crazy people. Oh, bell went off. Don't be crazy. Unless they don't be crazy, just keep it in between the cage with the thing. All right. Don't be that guy in the room with a long, sloppy-looking untuck shirt. Untucket.com code heard. GQ calls a perfection.

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All right, let's not waste any time. Best for Last. After almost three hours, Colin apparently hasn't gotten to the point yet. Quit holding out on us, Cowherd. It's the best for last. Well, last night, Drew Breeze broke Peyton Manning's record career passing yards. And it's really remarkable if you look at the obstacles he overcame. Drew's having another amazing year.

best passer rating, best completion percentage in the NFL, and certainly a Super Bowl-level team at this point. Breeze is 39, turns 40 in January. A lot has been written about Tom Brady, the ageless wonder in Foxborough. But we know quarterbacks go downhill in their late 30s, but here's what's remarkable. We dug this up. From age 35 on, Breeze, Peyton Manning, and Tom Brady, as good as any quarterbacks who have played the last 10 years in this league, that actually Drew Breeze in yards per game, completion percentage, and passer rating, minimum 50 games, is better and sometimes significantly better than Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. He's actually been the better old quarterback.

But why isn't he celebrated as much? Well, let's look at winning percentage. Because Brady and Peyton Manning have had fewer obstacles, often better teammates, often a better front office, and Breeze has not won as much. He joined us earlier today coming off his record-setting night. And we talked about a lot of different things. He was as usual, classy. But I asked him about when he came off his injury to Miami and he came to New Orleans. And I said, is it possible that New Orleans was actually the perfect city for you, Drew Brees?

God had a plan. I felt like it was a calling to come to New Orleans. We needed New Orleans as much as you could say maybe New Orleans needed somebody to believe in them too. big fit, it was the perfect match. In a way, we were both trying to rebuild, right? Rebuild our lives, our career. There was so many unknowns,

and yet I just felt like we were all leaning on each other. And the most amazing thing, I think my wife and I experienced when we came on our recruiting visits, so to speak, in New Orleans, was that every person that we met really didn't say anything about football.

What they said was, thank you for wanting to be a part of this community. and considering New Orleans. And I think you realize very quickly that New Orleans is a special place. It's a unique place. You know, there's a spirit here. There's a culture here. It's unlike any other.

You know, one of the challenges you face now, as a father, a husband, 39 years old, you are now surrounded often by 22-year-olds. There is an age gap. And it doesn't matter if you're a CEO or a high school principal. You have to bridge that gap. You have to relate to young players who are often backs, receivers, and offensive linemen. How have you done it? Because when I watch you, you are, I mean, you're going to be a 40-year-old guy,

you're surrounded by kids, and they look up to you, and they listen to you. And I don't think that's easy. And you have bridged it. Do you think about that? Yeah. You know, it is unique because I definitely feel like, you know, I come from a different generation. You know, I mean, in most cases, the guys in the last number are 22, 23, 24. You know, so I'm 15, 16, 17 years older than a lot of these guys.

You know, I like to think that being around them rejuvenates me. It keeps me young. You know, I feel a great sense of responsibility, you know, each and every year to come in and take the new, you know, draft class or the young free agents that come in. And you're kind of starting from scratch. the opportunity to build up the offense and recreate the identity of your team again and I feel like I learn as much from them

as I hope they learn from me and, you know, I don't know, I mean, I think having three young boys too, I mean, as I'm talking to, I'm in the whirlpool at the same facility with my boys. They're running around. One of them's naked right now jumping in the whirlpool.

And they're just like, I mean, they keep me young too. They keep me up to speed on all, like, the latest Fortnite dances and all that other stuff, too. So I feel like I'm pretty hip to the game, you know, even though I'm kind of an old guy now. But now, listen, I, I love the locker room. I love around the guys. I mean, I know that a lot of the guys who have left the game, most recently retired guys, but I know one of good friends with, they say, man, the thing I miss the most is the

locker room, being around the guys in the game day. Those are the things you really can't replace, you know, once you leave the game. And so I'm just trying to enjoy the moment, enjoy every second of it. And we certainly enjoyed Drew Brees last night. Good stuff. Redskins did not put up much of a fight despite a by-week, but it was so fitting that his record-setting play was a long touchdown. Drew Brees, post-35 has been better than Brady and Manning in key statistics. Tomorrow, Peter King and Joel Clatt. Third. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened.

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