The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Eagles, Eli Manning, Aaron Rodgers, UFC 229, and the Cowboys

Episode Date: October 8, 2018

Colin discusses the continued fall of the Philadelphia Eagles, why the New York Giants need to move on from QB Eli Manning, the poor play of Green Bay Packers QB Aaron Rodgers, his thoughts on the aftermath of Conor McGregor vs. Khabib Nurmagomedov at UFC 229, and the backlash Dallas Cowboys HC Jason Garrett is receiving. Guests include Michael Vick, Greg Jennings, Trent Dilfer, and Tony Gonzalez. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Let me start with this. Winning is hard. It's hard in life. It's one thing to be successful, but then to maintain success, I could argue, is even harder. What New England has done for 18 years is amazing. Probably never be duplicated. But when the Philadelphia Eagles won a Super Bowl,

Oh, remember what Lane Johnson said? I'd much rather have fun and win a Super Bowl than be miserable and win five like the New England Patriots. Well, you're going to get your wish there, Chief, because Philadelphia's a mess right now. Didn't we predict this? Didn't we tell you that Philadelphia, the puffier chest city, led by Lane Johnson, suspended twice, by the way, for PEDs? You know, you know guys like that, the shortcut guy. He was also the guy that was the impetus for the dog masks. Ow! Who let the dogs out?

I don't know. They get let out all the time in Foxborough without the masks. Lane Johnson, it was his guy that created that fumble slash interception yesterday. Lane Johnson did a terrible job on that play, an absolutely terrible job on that play. Virtually unblocked, creates the ball in the air, it gives the Vikings a touchdown, and game officially over. It should be noted that last week, fun guy who let the dogs out guy, also did a terrible job on a blocking play that created a hit and a fumble and created the inertia for the Tennessee Titans to win their biggest game of the year over Philadelphia. Hey, Lane Johnson, 24 hours in a day, eight of its work, eight of its sleep, and eight of its fun and social. But the work part is called work for reason.

Okay, we all have, we all go to a Christmas party. It's called, you know, the Christmas slash holiday party. Work is not designed to always be a good time. But Lane Johnson's history is shortcut guy. You know, happy hour, two hours early when there's a lot of work to still get done, guy. Hey, instead of committing to a project or a game plan, who let the dogs out mask guy? Zui is. I mean, first of all, the idea that you'd rather win one Super Bowl than five,

if you have to put in more work, is such a loser comment in any business. It's called work. But Philadelphia fell into a trap, and we predicted it. Even in their own division, the Cowboys have five Super Bowls, the New York Giants have four Super Bowls, Washington has three Super Bowls, Philadelphia has one, and they're suddenly lecturing everybody else in football on, this winning thing, here's how it's done. Stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

Marginally briefly successful guy doesn't get a lecture Nick Saban or Belichick on how to win it football. Lane Johnson, your guy this week and your guy the previous week is the one that shot through and created leverage and opportunity and inertia for the other team. When the Eagles got a real winner here, they got Shortcut Guy, create a dog mask guy, work should be fun guy. I mean, Chris Carter nailed it on first things first.

It is embarrassing when briefly successful guy suddenly lectures the NFL's greatest dynasty on what winning is all about. We have more fun. How much fun you having now? That's what I want to ask, Lane Johnson, how much fun you having? Like, you're not the best right tackling pro football. That offensive line, there was a dominant force. There are no dominant force. Nope.

Again, it's hard to win Super Bowls. Troy Aikman worked hard. Tom Brady works hard. The great ones. Ray Lewis worked hard. It's not all fun. The thing that's truly fun in football, because it's the only sport where you practice six times as much as you play.

Basketball doesn't work that way. Hockey doesn't work that way. Baseball doesn't work that way. Football's the only sport where you practice six times. more than you play. And the one thing that's always fun, even in a bad locker room, is winning. And Lane Johnson took it upon himself, dog-mask guy, to lecture New England on the winning thing. Embarrassing. All right, so let me defend Odell Beckham. Oh, people are going crazy on Odell Beckham. And by the way, Odell Beckham just signed a massive contract. He is the face of the

franchise, not the quarterback. He is a superstar in the NFL. and unlike the NBA and baseball, where contracts are guaranteed. In that New York Giants locker room, there are very few people that can say how they feel and not get cut and not get demoted. There is a responsibility in professional football for the handful of players who can say whatever they want and not get demoted to bring up the elephant in the room.

So the New York Giants, Odell Beckham, had an interview before the game. And he said, regarding Eli Manning. I don't know. I feel like he's not going to get out of the pocket. We know Eli's not running. Can he still throw it? Yeah. But, you know, it's been pretty safe.

You know, it's cool, catching shallow stuff. But, you know, I want to go over the top someday. Is he wrong? Is that inaccurate? Do you call him a terrible teammate? Did he say, I think we should. to demote him. It's the elephant in the room in New York City right now.

The elephant in the room. Every family's got an elephant in the room. It is the responsibility of the outspoken, successful member of a family to talk about the elephant at the room. Hey, grandma, no more driving. You're dangerous. Hire a driver. Somebody else drives for you, grandma.

Uncle Phil, those comments that things. are totally inappropriate. It's no time for politics. A dad, you're drinking too much. Settle down. Somebody in every family has to express an opinion that's uncomfortable. It's called the elephant in the room. And by the way, the owner of the New York Giants won't do it. They should have drafted a quarterback. They wouldn't. The GM of the Giants could have had Sam Darnold, could have had Josh Allen, could have had Josh Rosen. He didn't. So nobody else in the room wants to address the elephant in it, which is, Eli appears to be mostly a shot fighter.

So if Odell Beckham won't, and by the way, he did it respectfully, he just basically said things that are true. Like, you know, he's not going to run. He's dealing with underneath routes. He's not going to get out of the pocket. We know he's not

running. This is outrageous. No, that's just telling Uncle Phil. Uncle Phil. Cool it on the Donald Trump comments at Thanksgiving. It's not cool. Dad, you're drinking too much. Grandma, you shouldn't be driving anymore. Somebody's got to say that stuff. Somebody has to say that in every family. Or the problems fester. And nobody talks about them. I mean, good Lord, the giants keep giving Eli. They spend a fortune on a left tackle.

They draft a running back. They sign another wide receiver. How many gifts can they give Eli Manning? New coach. Check. Star running back. Check. Left. Tackle, check, draft another offensive linemen, check, get more receivers, check. They're checking all the boxes, and it's still a bad offense. I mean, at this point, they're overcompensating for it. So I'm going to defend, remember, football is unique. You can get cut. Tom Brady could be cut tomorrow.

It'd be a cap hit, but you could cut him. You can't cut Aaron Judge. You're not going to cut Bryce Harper. You're not going to cut Steph Curry. So in a sport where very few players, I mean a handful of players, have real power, have real leverage, or a face of a franchise. Odell Beckham talked about something that made everybody a little uncomfortable, and he didn't regret it after the game. Like we don't, we don't, if we're not all on the same page, if it's not authentic and real, and we can all understand each other, then there's going to always be miscommunication.

I'm just excited about the way we pulled together. Like I said, we came up short, but we fought today. I haven't felt any more closer than I have in the last 24 hours. And like I said, if it took that to bring us together, I could take that. At the end, they came out with the win, but I'm proud of where we stand. Even though we're one and four, this game today is. is going to be monumental for our season in my eyes. Okay. If those comments were so disruptive, and I watched every snap of this game,

it was one of the craziest games in the NFL this season. It was a weird game. But if they were so disruptive, why did the Giants finally play well? Some of you were listening to me. Some of you are watching. There's stuff happening in your family. If you're the one that's the strongest, the safest, the smartest, you owe your family to bring it up. O'Dell Beckham Jr., somebody had to talk about Eli Manning, the elephant in the room. Coming up next, people are really upset with Jason Garrett or the Cowboys. Jerry Jones called him out.

I just want to add some perspective on everybody crushing Jason Garrett. And I'll give you an example of what I mean next because it's funny how in one city a coach is getting crushed. Another city of coach is not getting crushed. Not that I will defend Jason Garrett, but there's some perspective that needs to be added on him not going for it on fourth down. That's coming up next. Hi, it's the hurt. I've got to tell you, now I've been sleeping on my Casper mattress for a long time,

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They are. They all vote almost. All of them vote conservative. They're conservative guys. The history of football, you think Bill Belichick's a big go-for-it guy? Yeah, when Tom Brady became great and he already had two Super Bowl trophies, Bill suddenly got much more courage because he had job security. Coaches are all conservative.

When the two-point conversion was offered several years ago, coaches didn't want it. Coaches didn't want the two-point conversion, even though it was good for football. Why? because it would put the onus on them. They would lose games going for it. Coaches are all conservative. Coaches don't want to go for it on fourth down. Now, situationally, if you have the great running back, Todd Gurley,

if you have the great offensive line Rams, and you're on the road and you've been playing four hours, but Jason Garrett's getting crushed because he didn't go for it. Now, I would have gone for it, but I understand what he's thinking. Our offensive line's not as good as they should be. Houston has got much better defensive personnel right now than we do. And by the way, if I lose this thing on national TV,

now I would have gone for it because I thought Dallas got outplayed. I thought the field position was a go-for-it field position. And I think when you're on the road for four hours, you're into overtime, you've got to kind of create an identity. And the one knock I have on Dallas this year, they don't have any identity. And this was a chance to be, hey, this is our identity. we're going to be a go-for-it team offensively.

We're not going to be the most clever or the most intuitive, but we're going to be a go-for-it team. But let me just tell you something. Everybody this morning is saying, look at Sean McVeigh. Look at Sean McVeigh. Okay, now think about this. Sean McVeigh has Todd Gurley, a great quarterback, a tremendous offensive line, the best offense in football,

and he had to be talked into it. He sent his punter out initially. And Pete Carroll called a time out, thought about it, went, Okay, an inch. I'll send my guys back in. So even clever, crazy, wild, Sean McVeigh, boy genius, Sean McVe. Initially, he was going to punt. They all want to punt.

They didn't want the two-point conversion. They didn't like it. Sean McVeigh's the, he's the riverboat gambler. And he didn't want to go for it with Todd Gurley and Sean McVeigh and Jared Gough. He didn't want to go for it. And then there's a timeout and he can think about it. And he's like, yeah, let's just go for it. So we're going to crush Jason Garrett.

And I would have gone for it too. You were outplayed. You were on the road. You're four hours in. I think you need to send a message. You don't have an identity. I would have gone for it if I'm Dallas. But this idea that Garrett's clueless and McVeigh is a gambler, it's not true.

Bill Belichick, once he had a couple of trophies and he had job security, they don't fire left tackles. They don't fire left tackles. They don't fire running backs. They fire coaches. And coaches, if you look at the history of this league, they're all guys that would prefer to not go for. Even the riverboat gamblers, even the crazy guys,

they'd rather not go for it because that's how you get fired in this league. Going for it and failing is very simple for media and fans to point to and go, that's the reason. Because we don't look at game film. It's a very sophisticated sport. 99% of media could never even draw up one football play. But the easiest thing for a guy like me to go, right there, fire him, right there is situational fourth down.

You go forward it to dumb play. And by the way, Doug Peterson got a book deal because of his crazy play on a fourth down and goal. It's one of those plays. It's high or low, homerunner strikeout. And most coaches don't want to ever go for it. So I'm not going to crush Jason Garrett, even though I would have. and I'm not going to elevate Sean McVeigh to the greatest coach of all time because he did because he had to be talked into it.

Here was Jerry Jones Cowboys owner. He didn't like what Jason Garrett did. We were being outplayed there, not out of effort, but we just were being out played. And it's time for risk. That I agree with. Jerry's belief is mine. When you're getting outplayed, you're on the road, you really should have lost this thing, and you have a chance to do it, you go for it.

just like anything else in life. If, you know, if your vacation's been crap, it's rained the whole time, and you're like, oh, should we spend money on the helicopter tour? Well, the vacation's been crap anyway. Why don't you salvage the vacation and spend a little extra money and do something really fun for the kids? Like this game, Dallas got outplayed. They should have lost that game earlier.

So Dallas, if I'm the coach the Cowboys, I'm like, you know what, man, four hours on the road, I got a bunch of alphas, I got to create some inertia and energy here. I'm going to go for it. But don't make Garrett into a bomb and Sean McVey into a genius this morning. None of these guys really, really deep down in their soul are risk takers. They're really not. They're really not. Joy with the News.

No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, sticking with Jerry Jones, take a guess who the Cowboys leading receiver was last night. I don't know. Tight end, Jeff Swame. Oh, yeah, he had a couple nice ones. Had one big play, yeah.

Three catches for 55 yards. A couple nice ones. So following that overtime loss to the Texans, Jerry Jones was asked about their lack of talent at wide receiver after watching DeAndre Hopkins torch their secondary for 151 yards. He had a couple nice ones. This is what Jerry had to say. Well, I would love to have number one receivers.

You have to get those. And when the opportunities are there, Hopkins is tremendous. And he made the plays out there. tonight that made a lot of difference. I don't really want to dwell on any aspect of the offensive side of the ball. Well, it's no secret that their former number one

receiver, Des Bryant, recently expressed his desire to return to the Cowboys, and Jerry said that's not going to happen, basically, and Des still responded to Jerry's comments last night, tweeting, I don't know what Jerry meant by that number one wide receiver, but I'm damn for sure.

I'm damn for sure. kept them James moving. Well, Des is no longer a number one. So let's not say that what Jerry was saying is I'd love to have a number one. He's talking about OBJ. He's talking about Julio Jones. Deontry Hopkins. Yeah, yeah.

Hopkins is a great player. Dez right now isn't that. Dez was an 800-yard guy last year. Dez is definitely an NFL player. He's definitely an NFL player, but he's not an elite number one. He didn't separate. And frankly, Des his last year playing, he dropped a lot of football. He was not a reliable pass catcher his last year in Dallas.

And there was a lot of pressure for Doc to throw to Des. So he was forcing it to him rather. than spreading the ball around. Yeah. So the Browns have won their second game. Yeah. Very ugly overtime win. No, I said we set on Friday, Joy.

It was going to be a big weekend for the rookie quarterbacks. Yeah, and I said this is going to be one of these ugly games. Ravens coming off an emotional win over the Steelers. So this game kind of looked like everybody thought it. Vegas had it as a three-point game. Classic trap game. It was a complete trap game. And by the way, it looked like a lot of Baltimore games do.

It was kind of ugly. Well, here's Baker after that game. Take a lot of pride in that. That shows that we're starting to change the culture around here. That guys, you know, early on or I think in the past thought, you know, once something bad happens, they, you know, kind of get in the tank a little bit, put their head down. But we have a team right now that's starting to believe in themselves and rightfully so.

So I take a lot of pride in the culture change and being positive, always moving forward and doing your job no matter what's this. situation is. Yeah, that was big for us. By the way, Cleveland's got good players now. I think I believe I'm right saying this. I think Cleveland right now leads the NFL in takeaways defensively. You're not doing that because you don't have players. The great thing Cleveland has this morning, they have talent. When you're bad forever and you get all those draft picks, they get good players. Oh, well, I mean, yeah, you have to also draft good getting all those job picks. Dentell Ward's been good. I do believe that the things are changing for Cleveland, though. There's a different

feel around them as a whole. And it's not just that, you know, we're tired of talking bad about Cleveland. Like, Baker is a legitimate quarterback, which is what we're seeing. And they're winning games. You can't ask for anything else. And I don't care how ugly the win was. The rape was just stomped on the Steelers. By the way, Sam Darnold was pretty good yesterday, too. I don't know. Like deep balls. You know, you can have your moment. He's back on track. I was looking a little shaky there for you for a couple weeks. Speaking of disappointments, the Alana Falcons, games in 2018 are arguably the most disappointing team in the NFL. They were a playoff squad last year.

They're now one and four and a blowout loss at Pittsburgh yesterday. And the owner, Arthur Blank, did not see this coming. Arthur Blank. Okay. Are you said, are you kidding me? We can't erase the last five games. We have to make adjustments. That's all you can do.

Start out next week and act like it's zero, zero. Nobody wants any excuses. Nobody wants to hear any stories. That's the nature of this business. Yes. I mean, you do have to have a short memory. when it comes to sports, but starting out one and four when you're the Falcons and you were what you were the last

two years, you don't want that. Football is so different. It's the opposite of the NBA. If you go into an NBA season, we can all predict the top five teams. Even if Golden State lost, Draymond Green for the year, we'd still be great. Tony Gonzalez always tells me this. Every year in football, regardless of your

roster, even if you bring the same guys back, it's a different year. Guys get paid, guys get lazy, guys get hurt. Look at the Eagles. Philadelphia is a different team. Atlanta's a different team. Minnesota won, but they're a different team. Like New England's the exception. Everybody else year to year is Baltimore looks good. Last two years, they weren't so good. It's just

it's a different team every year. But there are expectations on you when you have a consistent level of winning and you're in the playoffs year to year so I can see why the Falcons are disappointed. But like I said, I have a short memory and try and turn it around. Yeah. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. 13 NFL seasons.

He was a four-time Pro Bowl, a number one pick, a comeback player of the year. Still holds the record for most career rushing yards by a quarterback well over 6,000. He's my friend Michael Vick, FS1 NFL analyst, joining here the herd on a Monday. By the way, 30 minutes, we're calling right, we're calling wrong. All right, let's talk about Jason Garrett. So you're watching that game, and they decide not to go for it. I would imagine you're an offensive guy.

fans and offensive guys always want to go for it. Yeah, absolutely. So what would you have said to Jason Garrett if he asked you? Let's go for it. Why? I mean, at this moment and time of the season, they desperately need a win. You don't want to be laying in your bed at night saying, I wish we would have went for it on fourth down.

You punt it. And those are the biggest reasons why teams don't make the playoffs at the end of the year, not having any guts. You got to have some guts in this league. I mean, this is a league where you have to try hard, where you don't just hope and wish and pray that things are going to happen because it will come back and bite you in the end.

And this could be a loss that could potentially hurt them down the road. So you think that short flight from Houston to Dallas home, there's a lot of... It was a rough one. It was a rough one. Have you ever lost a game and you're on the flight home and you felt like it changed the season? Yeah, I mean, multiple times.

And on too many occasions, but I can never recall a fourth and one where we was on a plus side of the field and we had an opportunity to at least go for it and not have to deal with the regret. I'd rather put the team in the position where we say, okay,

we tried. Because most athletes, I think most athletes have all dealt with failure. I mean, listen, in baseball, you only bat $2.50, so you're striking out all the time. I think where you lose professional athletes

is they don't think you trust them. Yeah. That's where you went through. I would lose Michael Vick in a locker room. The offensive line will look at this as if our coach really don't believe in us. And if he would have went forward on fourth down and if they didn't get it. The players would blame themselves. Yeah, you'll blame yourself.

But the last thing you want to do is be sitting around moping on a Monday morning thinking, man, if we would have just went forward on fourth down and put ourselves in a position to at least win the game. It changes the whole dynamic of the team, I think, the chemistry, you know, and the belief in the coaches in the game plan. That's all on Jason Garrett. If I'm a head coach, I'm going for it. And I'm going to tell my guys I went for it because I believe. Do coaches tell you before games?

Okay, we're going into this game plan. Situationally, we're going to go for it a lot. Do you have a sense going into games of the games in which you played where there were lots of risks? Were you talking about it all week? No, the one thing you don't talk about, the one thing you don't talk about is a fourth down situation. If it's fourth and two, most of the time you're going to punt. If it's fourth and one, most of the time you're going to punt.

Most coaches don't game plan for fourth down situations. Third and short, third and one, third and two. They put a plan together. If I ever become a head coach one day, if I'm going to have a game plan for fourth down situations, you got to show confidence in your team and you got to believe in yourself. I mean, if it takes more time to game playing for a fourth and one situation,

fourth and two where you feel like, look, this could be a point in the game where the game could change, then you have to prepare for that. Obviously, they wasn't prepared for it. You know, Philadelphia wins a Super Bowl, and then, you know, they start writing books and they have parades and they start talking trash.

You know, Tony Gonzalez says this all the time. He goes, I played in Atlanta one year. We got to the play. who won like 13 games. We came back the following year, same guys we won four. Yeah, it was different. It's a different ball game. Lane Johnson said, I'd rather have fun and win a Super Bowl than be miserable in New England to win five Super Bowls.

And I thought his comment was telling is that it was the dog masks and it was fun, that it was such a... And enjoyed the rat. Yeah, that they really enjoyed it. It's almost like you got a raise at work and they went out and bought a Corvette and they bought a couple nice suits and they got first class tickets to Paris. And it's like, okay, that's fine. But winning is a process. It's hard. When I watch Philadelphia, I just see a team that it was such a great year and it all came together and they don't have the same energy.

I mean, what do you see? Carson Wentz is not playing terribly. They went out and certainly they enjoyed the fruits of their labor. And rightfully so. They earned every win last year and it was a difficult season. They went through a lot. Carson went down. Nick came in.

It was a magical season. And you enjoy that for three or four months. but at the end of the day, another season is going to start, and you're going to be the target of the NFL. You're going to be one of the teams that when teams, when they line up against you, they're going to want to beat you. Mike, you went to Green Bay and won a playoff game. That was a huge year.

What did you guys do the following year? I got injured early in the season. We went three and four and 12, and it was never the same. It wasn't the same team. It was never the same. You had a magical year. You go to Lambo, and you think it's going to, last forever. And like, that's what Tony Gonzalez says. He goes, two injuries later, you lose a

left tackle, you lose a key corner. And it's like, you look up and your division's better. Now you're the target and it's the way it goes. So OBJ went out. I defended O'Dell Beckham this morning. I said, listen, there's an elephant in the room. And in the NFL, Michael, you know that it's not like baseball or basketball. You guys can all be cut. So about three guys a locker room can actually give an honest opinion on stuff and not get cut. About three. That's about it. That's about it, Michael. OBJ is one of those guys. He's a leader.

I think he owes it to the organization and come out and say right now, Eli, we're doing too much underneath stuff. Like, what did you make of his comments? Odell just got paid. He's a respected guy amongst his peers in the locker room. And he has the right divorce's opinion. And even though Eli is an older veteran and those shots were taking more so at Eli, he can do that.

You know, he's the guy that Eli counts on and vice versa. so you can voice your opinion and say, yeah, we have to play with more heart. We have to be more aggressive. That's almost a cry for help. And it's nothing wrong with that. If one of my receivers ever did that, I would listen. And for the most part yesterday, I think they did. I think the game plan was better.

I thought Eli made some mistakes in the spurts. Yeah, he had one bad pick. He had one bad interception where he threw it almost to the safety practically. And OBJ wasn't wrong. I applaud him for that. I look at that as a step in his growth. You know, it's funny. They keep baby in Eli Manning.

Like, Eli Manning is part of the Manning family. These are grown-ups. Yeah. They understand football. And I just, I don't understand this constant massaging and this babying of Eli Manning. And I'm not always an Odell Beckham guy. There's times I think he needs to grow up, but I support him here. Okay, so I'm watching Aaron Rogers.

And I know the kicker was terrible. Oh. But Aaron was rough in the first half. Yeah. Aaron was down 24-9. Nothing. I mean... It was rough for Aaron, but I thought he did enough. Now, it's easy to say in hindsight, those field goals could have changed the dynamic of the game.

Yes. And in the moment, Mason Crosby has to make those kicks. Yes. Aaron didn't play that bad. I thought he did enough. But it just goes to show that in the NFL, it's the total team game. Aaron Rogers could have had a stellar performance where his numbers were through the roof. And Mason could have still went down and missed those kicks.

And they still lose the game and we still say, what could Aaron Rogers have done better? That's the unfortunate part about playing a quarterback position. Think about playing in the National Football League or any team sport. Did you ever have a terrible game and win? Yeah, I had some ugly wins. Ugly wins that was better than pretty losses. Do you ever have a great day and you lost?

Yes. a game against the New Orleans Saints that I can remember in 2006 where I rushed for 175 yards and passed for 190 yards and did everything I could do to win a game and put my team in a position to win. And we still lost and it was because of the defense. They didn't, they wasn't able to stop Drew Brees. Yeah. And just part of it.

You know, ironically, you know, yesterday on our show, we was talking about guys flicking the bird. I flicked the bird up into the crowd. And I was, you know, it was because. I was emotionally upset and distraught. I put so much heart and soul into the game and the way I play. And I wanted my teammates to be the same way. But everybody's not the same.

Yeah. Michael Vick, good seeing you on a Monday. Four-time Pro Bowl or 13 NFL seasons. Good seeing you, bud. Good seeing you, too. Michael Vick. Coming up in less than 30 minutes where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, it was a wild weekend in Vegas.

It was a wild weekend in the NFL. what do we do with that Connor McGregor mess among other things. That's coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app. Good to have you in. Great NFL weekend.

Good college weekend. How about the Texas Longhorns? Nice W for them at the top of the hour where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong. You know, when you get older, I would not, of course, ask Joy's age. I'm, you know, in my 50s. And when you look back at life, there are certain things that are absolutes.

They call them truisms. They're absolutely true. And they'll never change, like peanut butter and jelly sandwiches will always taste good to me. I don't care if they invent eight different kinds of kale. I'll always like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, always the rest of my life. And one of the things that I've noticed, and I don't. think at 20 years old, no matter how smart you are, you don't have enough life experience to look back and go, wow, this is true. You can read all the books you want. You got to live it.

One of the things I've come to terms with, and this is just the way human beings are, you can separate people into two groups. Those people change is really hard. They can't change. They don't like change. They fear change. And then there's another, and by the way, it's not. just education levels. Some people grow up in traditional families. They went to church. It's mom and dad. They don't like change. They don't like new. They're going to live where they grew up and they're not going to move. My sister's more like that. I'm less like that. Then there's the other people that change is inevitable. I kind of like change. I kind of like moving. I kind of like being forced to do different stuff. I mean, my whole life I've seen this. I see it in politics. I see it in sports. I see it in families. I see it in life. people that struggle with change, they don't even like to bring it up. They'll complain about it. And people that, you know, change is inevitable.

Let's embrace it. So all weekend long, Clay Matthews, I mean, my whole life I've been hitting this way. I can't change my whole life. This is how you hit a quarterback guy. And the media freaks out. It's killing the game. I can't believe it.

Did you watch football this weekend? All weekend long in the NFL. All weekend long in the NFL. Detroit against Aaron. Rogers twice. Did you watch the Lions? Twice. They went for the strip sack on Aaron Rogers. Watch this. Strip sack. Oh, you mean they were coached all weekend long. Aaron Rogers, the lions were coached to not squish him, to not land on him, to evolve and adapt to the rules. Von Miller, Khalil Mack. I watched all weekend long and all I saw was this Aaron Donald of the L.A.

Rams is grabbing quarterbacks. Watch this. And throwing them down. He didn't do that two and three years ago. Aaron Donald now, new rule, I'll grab, twirl you down. The elite players, just like the elite people in life, are willing to change. Be stuck in the mud. Live one way.

Never adapt. I mean, this idea that you can't hit quarterbacks. Did you watch the Cowboys Texans game last? night, those quarterbacks got the snot hit out of them. I mean, Dak got pounded, Deshawn Watson got pounded on. This idea that you can no longer hit quarterbacks. Excuse me. Did you watch the Texans and Cowboys play last night?

Those quarterbacks took a pounding for four hours. Folks, look at America. The two hottest companies in America are Netflix and Amazon. and both radically midstream changed their game. Amazon just sold books. Netflix DVDs. Halfway through the game panel. Wow.

We've got to survive. We've got to change the way we do business. There's other opportunities here. So this idea, whenever I hear people, I mean, you just, Clay Matthews, this is, it's just all the media. It's just killing the game, just like pilots. Every year they add something to the,

the cockpit. And they force you at Delta Airlines. They force you at Southwest Airlines. They force you at British Airlines to get a new manual, memorize that, and learn the new stuff. And it was never more clear than in the Green Bay Detroit game. Very smart plays. By the way, not only are those guys stripping the ball, I mean, the first guy especially, they are going, I mean, Aaron in one hand and the ball, look at this right here. I mean, and by the way, He even flips off of Aaron. He doesn't want to land on Aaron. He hits the ball and then he flips off Aaron.

I bet if you ask most quarterbacks, they'd rather take the sack than have a fumble. Oh, God, yes. But this is what's going to start happening. And by the way, it's all the top guys. All the top guys in the industry of the NFL are like, yeah, this is how we've got to do it now. I mean, Jadavian clown, he's grabbing you with one hand, he's flipping you, and he's going for the ball. So, you know, folks, homework doesn't stop in high school. You're going to have to do homework the rest of your life.

You're going to have to come home from work and be like, oh, I've got to change. We have a new manual. We have another meeting. We got another product. We got to like that's life. Can I just say this? Speaking of Green Bay is that I know everybody is going to beat up on Mason Crosby. And I don't like kickers either.

I really do. I have a bumper sticker on my car. Don't like kickers. They're a headache. They're headcases. You can't depend on them. But I just want to throw this. This is kind of crazy.

This is kind of crazy. You do get that they trailed 24-0 and Aaron Rogers wasn't any good in the first half. And so when Aaron Rogers has all these great stats in the second half, in the first half, his pass-for-rating was 72. He lost two fumbles. They both led to scores. He passed for 140 yards and his completion percentage was under 50%. Those fumbles led to 10 points.

That second half was garbage stats. They were out of the game. So, you know, Aaron Rogers, as Greg CoSells said last week on our show, Aaron's hard to coach. Aaron's an improviser. Aaron's an ad libber. It's, and the other thing about Aaron, I'm watching, you know the guys that take shots in this league? Russell Wilson takes a lot of shots. A lot of shots.

He runs around. Deshawn Watson takes a lot of shots. He runs around. Aaron Rogers takes too many hits. He takes too many hits. Those are on Aaron Rogers. It's impossible to block for someone that's running around in circles. That's right.

But you know who doesn't take hits? Tom Brady doesn't take hits. Drew Brees doesn't take hits. I see a lot of guys in the NFL. They don't take hits. Aaron's been in this league 10 years. Aaron takes hits a lot. He had libs a lot.

He wasn't good in the first half. He hasn't been good this year a lot. It's not all on the kicker. I mean, Aaron didn't play well yesterday. They got into a huge hole. And in the second half, he piles up garbage stats. It's not always somebody else's fault. Like Greg Kosell came on our show.

He's even a hard guy on film to get your arms around. Rogers, for me, is a very, very difficult evaluation. Because he's in rhythm when he's moving and out of rhythm when he's playing from the pocket, which is the exact opposite of most quarterbacks. He's more jazz musician. classical pianist. He is now going to be 35. He's had multiple surgeries.

He's not very big. He takes a lot of hits. Drew Breeze does not get hit like this. Tom Brady does not get hit like this. Now, yesterday Matt Ryan got hit like this, but Matt Ryan generally doesn't get hit like this. So, you know, I like Andrew Luck. But Andrew Luck gets hit a lot

because Andrew Luck held on the ball too long. Aaron Rogers holds on to the ball too long. It's not always somebody else's fault. I'm watching Aaron yesterday. He's bad in the first half, missed open receivers, they're down 24-0-0. That changes the complexity of the entire game. You're going at halftime.

It's a different football game now. You have 3% chance to win. Coming up next, where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong. On a Monday in Los Angeles, it's the herd. Ah, hour two, this is the herd. Wherever you may be, and however,

you may be listening. IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1, Joy Taylor's joining us hour, too. Joy, how are you? I'm great. Had a great weekend. Y'all get to the fight stuff in a little bit, but that was a crazy weekend in Las Vegas for the fight stuff.

But every Monday we do it at this time. Every single Monday we do it. In fact, it's gotten so popular we do it during the course of the year. Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong. So let's not waste any time. Let's hit it. Where Colin was right? Listen to our blazing five.

Right now I'm hitting 65% on the year. That is, we're on fire. And it's not just that we're winning. We picked underdogs. We picked Arizona as an underdog to go on the road and win. We picked the Jets over Denver, Sam Darnock. We picked the Vikings over the Philadelphia Eagles. By the way, I've got Monday night.

I've got Washington as an underdog beating New Orleans tonight. So I think the thing that makes me proudest, not only that we've had four to five winning weeks, but these games are very close. There's a lot of offense translation. That means what they call in the business, backdoor covers where a team gets outplayed, but they score a late touchdown. When touchdowns are easier, take underdogs to cover, that's been my theory, and we've been

right. Where Colin was wrong. For years, I have defended Jason Garrett of the Dallas Cowboys. He's not the most creative coach. But I thought yesterday was a moment, and I thought he failed the moment, is that he's got to know. Outplayed for three and a half hours on the road with a struggling offense. this team has no identity. And Jason Garrett, and I don't like to crush coaches on game calling.

It's hard. They've looked at film. But when you're on the road and you've been outplayed and you can steal a W, you got to know. That is a moment and you have to go for it. And I got to take one for the team here. I was wrong. I've been so, so favorable toward him. And I thought in that moment he kind of butchered it.

Where Colin was so right, It's getting annoying. I think my greatest prediction in the history of this show happened this weekend. So all these rookie quarterbacks, three of the four were underdogs, and the Jets was a pick-em. And I said on Friday, I think the rookie quarterbacks are going to go four and oh. Because I think if you look at the games, I said, Sam Darnold, Denver on a short week, Jets played the worst game they played in years, watch them be buttoned uptight.

They did. I said, watch Josh Rosen. Nobody watched him the previous week because we were watching Baker Mayfield. Watch him come out and be great. I said watch Baker Mayfield. They've got weapons. He's shown he can play. Baltimore's coming off an emotional win.

And what do you know? All the rookie quarterbacks want, even Josh Allen, who wasn't great. But I'll tell you this about Josh Allen. That kid can run. He's a big kid that can move around and make throws, maybe run too much. But I said on a Friday, even though they're underdogs, this is going to be the weekend of the rookie quarterbacks coming out and all kick and made your butt.

Gotta be honest with you. That's the greatest right in the history of this show. Where Colin was wrong. Yeah, Connor McGregor met his mismatch from hell. This was not really competitive. Now, Conner's always one of those guys that doesn't look like he trains as much as everybody else, but I thought by the second round he looked gassed. But this was really about fights.

Stiles make fights. This was a terrible style. Dana White had never given Connor McGregor. kind of fighter, and now we know why. He just looked awkward. He lost two fights. He lost the fight in the ring, and then when the fight was over, and then the melee, he lost that one too. This was a bad night. I mean, it was right. You were right. Trying to tell you. Yeah. Kabib, I'm not going to feed my kids for a couple days, because I bet a fortune on this, and I went down in flames. Where Colin was right?

Did I tell you, or did I tell you that puff your chest, Philadelphia would come back down to earth. I thought they'd still be a good team, but when Lane Johnson said, I'd rather have fun and win a Super Bowl than be miserable and win five, that is an awful, embarrassing comment for an athlete. This is about winning. This is not like society where you have social nets for those who fail. People who lose are losers. People who win or winners. It's not about having a good time. It's about winning games and in the process creating relationships and environments that we all flourish. But it's hard. Football players work hard. They get hit. They get hurt. There's no guaranteed contract. This is a sport for men. It's a hard sport. So if you want to be get to work and screw off

and do a dog mask, no. That Jonathan Ogden and Walter Jones and Ray Lewis and Brady, it's hard work. And we sleep for eight hours. We have fun with our families for eight hours. And we work. And there's a reason it's called work. And there's a reason it's called a holiday party. Us football is the hardest of all sports. And Lane Johnson, we predicted it. Where Colin was wrong. I have supported Hugh Jackson forever, even last year. But when they went to overtime and he didn't know,

did you see him put his hand up here? He said two seconds left, he do, hold on, hold on. There's a moment here. I don't think Hugh Jackson quite knows. He doesn't quite know if we have the picture of it. I think he doesn't know overtime's over. I don't think he knows it's over. He's waving his players back off the field, and the game's over.

Listen, I get players, especially young players, not knowing every overtime rule. I get that. I'm not saying every official has to be Mike Pereira. But a head coach's job is in all the overtime stuff, and I've supported Hugh Jackson. I supported him. I said he deserved to keep his job, and he went 0 and 16. But you've got to know the rules, Hugh. The game was over.

Especially in Cleveland. You got to know the rules when the game's over. Because you don't win many of those when it's over. Where Colin was right? Listen, we didn't have the Packers last week in our top 10 and got a lot of pushback. And I said, folks, they don't have a running game. Their leading Russia yesterday had 40 yards. Yesterday it was their kicking game.

They got into a whole 24-0. I can be critical of Aaron Rogers. But I don't know. When I look at this team, I don't see Baltimore's talent. I don't see Pittsburgh's talent. I don't see New Orleans talent. I don't see the Rams talent. I don't see the Houston Texans talent.

I don't see it. When I look at Green Bay, I just do not see dynamic, offensive, defensive, pass rusher, running plays. So I'll say it again. I don't think they're a top 10 team in the NFL. And frankly, I thought Aaron Rogers had a bad first half. He didn't look like a top 10 quarterback in the first half yesterday. where Colin was wrong. Listen, I had Baltimore as my number one, number two team in the league.

And yesterday, Joe Flacco went back to Joe Flacco. I got a question, Joe Flacco is 6-5. How does he have that many passes batted down? I can't. Colt McCoy didn't have that many passes batted down. I can't figure it out. They had a red zone pick. They didn't have a touchdown all day.

And frankly, they got too many weapons. And they have a nice running back. This team has too many weapons to not score a touchdown. And Cleveland's got all sorts out. They got all sorts of dudes. But Joe Flacco, with that, those tight ends and those receivers and that back and that coaching staff, there's been a lot of continuity here in Baltimore, a lot of continuity. You can't go, you can't give me yesterday.

And I defend Joe Flacco, and I said he was going to have a big year. And I'm not taking anything away from Baker. He threw for a lot of yards. But that was, everybody's been telling me for three weeks, I'm crazy on Joe Flacko, love. You were right, I was wrong. where Colin was right? I said I didn't like the Gruden thing. They're one in four.

Derek Carr is struggling, and Derek Carr's a heck of a player, but he's got seven TDs and eight picks under John Gruden. Marshawn Lynch is a good back. Doug Martin's a good back. The O lines above average. Jared Cook's a good tight end. Amari Cooper can catch.

Martavius Bryant's a good deep threat. Jordy Nelson can still play. I don't want to hear excuses. I don't want to hear excuses. Two years ago, Derek Carr was an MVP candidate. Now he looks like he's lost confidence. And, by the way, the Raiders are last. Last in sacks.

They gave up Khalil Mack, which I hated. I'm not an expert here. But when you have that kind of offensive personnel and you got Derek Carr and you got that tight end and two backs and three wide receivers and that offensive line, I don't want to hear about Derek Carr 7 TDs eight picks. Right now, the Gruden thing, I look right. Where Colin was wrong.

I had Atlanta in the Super Bowl. Yeah, I kind of whipped on that. Now, some of its injuries, but they did solve their red zone problems. And there's so much about this team and this staff I like. but in the end yesterday was classic they just got bullied they got bullied at the line of scrimmage

and this is the thing that I always struggle with Atlanta and I just I do this all the time that football is about moments and it's about toughness and you can't teach a lot of that toughness and a lot of those moments gosh I always feel like Atlanta

in those moments gets bullied gets pushed around and doesn't deliver and I can't put my arms around it, but I just, I went all in on it this year and how many times in the moment? I mean, yesterday wasn't even competitive. Those were two reeling teams.

One showed up, one didn't. And with that, my favorite time. Trent Dilfer, 14 years, Super Bowl champ, pro bowler. Let's bring him on the show. We get him in studio today. This is a gift. I'm proud of you. I feel like normally you spend way more time on

when you're right than when you're wrong. But that was good there. You spent a lot of time on when you're wrong. I was wrong this weekend. Let's talk about Jason Garrett. I have defended him for years. I think he's smart. But this team lacks an identity.

I always say this about my boss's Trent. I'm going to come in and work hard. But I have no control over company morale. I don't have any control over company direction. That's on my bosses. So if the direction stinks, that's on you. Players play. But I do think it's a coach's job to create an identity.

fellas this is what we are I thought Jason whiffed on that I didn't like that there was a chance to say guys four hours on the road this is our Sunday night I didn't like it so I don't disagree I'm putting myself in Jason Garrett's shoes and he's looking at his team you know every head coach has to look at their team from 30,000 feet okay this is who we are this year this is who personnel has given us how are we going to take this group and win based on our players our coaching staff, the situation we're in. And I think it's pretty obvious that they chose. We're going to play really good defense. They have an up-and-coming defense. Linebackers are pretty interesting. They're going to be really good in the years to come. Yeah.

And we're going to be physical. And we're going to run the ball and we're going to be opportunistic in the passing game. Yeah. So that's who we're going to be. Okay. And we're going to build our game plans. We're going to call the game. We're going to do everything around that identity.

Play good defense, run the football, bleed the clock, be opportunistic in the passing game. That's basically. what they're trying to do. Yeah. Well, then they get put in a situation last night where it actually fits that identity if you go for it and you try to muscle them and push them around and hold the ball and not give it back to Houston. And they don't do it.

And I bet you he's beating himself up this morning because his 30,000 foot view of this team would have fit perfectly into that moment. That moment. And as we know, you just said it. The NFL's about moments. It's about situations. you can't not everyone's the same. They're fluid.

And I think last night, if there's a criticism of Jason Garrett, is that the identity he's built for his team fit perfectly into that moment and he didn't do it. And then he gives use in the ball. And by the way, that throw that Deshaun makes to Hopkins is brilliant. I think too much was made of the run after the catch, which was really good. Yeah.

But to take something off of that ball when a defender's undercutting it and put it high and soft where he can now, go run with it. That's one of the better throws we've seen this season. I mean, we do all these fantastic Mahomes, all these great throws in the end zone. That moment, that throw is as good as we've seen. Because if that's on a line shot, if that's a high school kid that only knows how to throw one speed and it's accurate, it's right here, it's picked. That ball has to be soft and layered to beat the defender. That's a fantastic play. You know, I was saying earlier, and I've been critical of OBJ in the past, but I think there's always a family member that is maybe more secure.

Most people aren't confrontational. But I do think having a confrontational person in any family is important. Dad's drinking too much. Grandma shouldn't be driving. Phil is inappropriate at Thanksgiving dinner. Somebody's got to stand up and... No doubt. It's my oldest daughter.

Okay. So I think it's a, you can't have a family full of that, but old BJ came out before the game. Can't cut him. face of the franchise, absolute leverage, totally respected by players. And he came out and he said a couple of things and people freaked out. And I thought, you know what?

If the owner of the Giants really sat down, he'd know the elephant in the room of the Giants, Trent. It's kind of the Eli situation. Doesn't OBJ have a responsibility? I know it's tough, but I look at him and I think he didn't say anything that everybody's not talking about and whispering behind Eli. So again, we're very close on this. I'm a big believer that without conflict, there's no growth.

So we're saying the same thing. You have to be willing to have conflict if you want to grow as a team. And you need that antagonist, that person that will stand up and create conflict so that we can discuss things, so we can work through things, so we can talk about the elephant in the rope. I 100% agree. However, it can't be done in that form if you care about team dynamics. So what OBJ did with that interview with Josino, he did say a lot of things that probably needed to be said behind closed doors.

They didn't need to be said in a public form like that when everybody's going to watch and now it's going to create a lot of conversations on the team. And I was thinking about it this way. One of the big whiffs today in sports is that we train athletes in a bunch of different areas, but where we don't train them enough and it might be the most important thing if you're a superstar is political training. You have to be a politician. Every quarterback, every playmaker,

anybody's going to sit and talk into one of these or do sit downs with reporters, has to have some political training. You have to learn how to not tell the truth to the media. You have to learn how to creatively get a round, hard questions. You have to, it's a skill that you have to learn. Four team dynamics. because what happens now is that today in New York,

that team is having to deal with OBJ being the team spokesman, and that's not his job. Wasting time. They're wasting time, distraction. It's an emotional drain on every player in that locker room, every coach on that staff, every person in management now has to devote a chunk of their Monday and Tuesday, days it should be devoted to looking at what happened yesterday

and moving forward to the Thursday night game. Instead, they're having to deal with what he did in the sit-down interview. And that's where it's tough. Like, I agree. There has to be a callous. There has to have something to get all this stuff out, but it can't be done in that form because now you've just heaped a big pile of,

you know what, on every other person on that team and that organization. They have to deal with it. And that's where this one gets tough. All right. So I want to talk, I said on Friday, I said, I think the rookie quarterback's going to have an interesting week. And a lot of it was situational. Denver, short week on the road, early game. Jets played like crap. Todd Bowles will button it up.

So I thought the Jets running game was unbelievable. I'll give you the quarterback when we talk about it. Sam Darnold against Denver made a couple of big throws over the top. What did you make of him? That was fantastic. I think the ability to get chunk yardage plays as a young quarterback is very hard. It's easy to sit there and pick apart zone. and dump the ball off and be careful,

it's hard to make big plays. I think he's everything I thought it would be. He's a fantastic, he has a fantastic presence. He's going to infuse energy into that organization, and he's just a natural playmaker. He's done this since high school. I've said it forever.

He just makes everybody better. You watch them in high school. He's the guy that walks onto a team, into a room, wherever he goes, and just everybody gets better. Some people have that effect, that Sam Donald and you're seeing it and he'll they're not going to be great right I think we see them kind of the same way they're a seven and nine ish type team most of their players Leonard williams jemal Adams most of their good players are on defense yeah that's the way it are right now they're

going to have massive hope like they're going to finish this season and there's going to be momentum for the new york jets because they're going to have hope because the guy playing quarterback for it baker mayfield didn't have a you know didn't throw the ball down the field quite as much, but over the course of a game, he made a couple of really nice runs. He made a couple of really big throws. I mean, Baltimore's a real team. What did you make a baker? Bakers, he's special in two ways.

We've talked about before. He's very precise. He's, I hate using the word accurate because people look at that as completion percentage. He's exact with how he throws a football. Like if it needs to be on this side of the face, it finishes on this side of the face. It needs to be low and away. It's low and away. He's very exact with the ball.

Very, very gifted passer. It shows up all the time. His ability to create time and space, he has that one little move that gets a lot of people in trouble where he goes backwards to create time. That's a bad deal for most people. For him, it's brilliant. It's like his way, Drew Breeze did it for years too,

where they start to climb and they're working. And then they bounce back. And as they bounce back, they can still throw the ball down the field. It's special. And then Baker's biggest, his greatest quality is, people call it, you know, the clutch gene. a gamer, whatever you want to call it. Like, he rises to the occasion.

He's at his best when things around him are kind of nasty and ugly. And I just, I think it's cool what's going on. I mean, I played in Cleveland for one year and for some weird reason. I kind of always root for him. Yeah. And I just think it's awesome what he's doing in that city for that organization. Now, we're talking about Darnold Baker. I thought Josh Rosen.

Oh, yeah. I got to tell you, I think they've been a little conservative on his game plan calling. I don't like calling out coaches. Mike McCoy, you got it yesterday. Way too much run on first down. Way too predictable. I think Rosen looks good. They're finding their way. I think what Josh will help them do is expand the offense. I use this term all the time. You know how good a quarterback is when you start seeing them expand the offense.

Because what that means internally is the coach is like, whoa, we can do more with this guy. Oh, we can do this. We couldn't do that with the other guy. We can do it now with this guy. And then you're going to see that in Arizona. You start seeing Josh practice every day. You start seeing his capacity to learn and grow in a system and how smart he is and how much he can shoulder. You're going to start seeing this offense expand

because internally they're going, oh, wow, we can do way more at this kid. Yesterday we didn't see it. Just watch the Carls now for the next six weeks and watch what this offense starts looking like. It's going to look way different than it did with Bradford and it did yesterday because they're figuring out we have something special. By the way, if we got some Rams video, Rams Seahawks was a wild game. Okay, when I think it's easy to look at the Rams and go, oh my God, they're doing all this crazy stuff, but they really do a lot of power running.

I watch the Rams. They are so fun. They are so clever. It almost makes me think if I had a coaching opening. I didn't know who Sean McVeigh was before he was. I didn't know who Matt Nagy was. There's like this revolution of these young coaches doing crazy stuff. When you watch the Rams, what are the things that you see that I'm not going to see because I wasn't an NFL player?

They create angles in space. They use misdirection and gimmicks and bells and whistles to simply create angles and space. It's what every great offense coordinator is. I mean, you know me pretty well. I'm a geek when it comes to studying this stuff for the last 20 years. And everyone I've ever studied from Sean Payton to Lincoln, Riley, to Sean McVeigh, whoever they are, whoever, Andy Reid, Nagy, you know, as you start seeing trends, you start studying guys, Josh McDaniels does a great job in New England.

They use all this stuff. just so their players can have a better opportunity to win their one-on-ones. It's that simple. So when you see Cup run a route where he comes way inside and then goes back to the corner, all they're saying is we're going to make this defender think one thing, and then you're going to do the other, and it's going to create more space for you. When they use the fly-sweet motion over and over and over, just to create a tiny little tilt in the backers and safeties,

it's creating angles for the offensive linemen and the blockers to now have a better chance to win their one-on-ones. So these great coordinators, these great innovators offensively, they use, they have tools in their toolbox to better equip their players to win their 101 battles for 70 plays. And they don't take any play for granted. And that's what I respect the most is there's a lot of coaches that say, oh, we're going to get in two backs, we're in power because we've done it a thousand times. When it might be better to motion that back from the slot back in the back field to create a tiny little, tilt in the backers, let your right tackle of a better angle to come down

and crush them up. They're putting more time into it. They're putting more time. There's more thoughtfulness. There's more IP, to be quite honest with you. People think that all NFL coaches are created equal. They're not. There's many that are just way smarter than the rest. And there's some that are just lazy. And they've just

kind of climbed the ladder because they know the right people. And they've said the right things. And they've done well in interviews and they got an owner to fall in love with them or a head coach, or they're loyal. Half of the NFL jobs just because you've been loyal to a guy, then there's the special ones. There's the McVease.

That they're just smarter. They're just better. They just work harder than others. Trent Dill for great seeing you. Awesome. We are loaded today. Tony Gonzalez, Greg Jennings, coming up, thoughts on what I saw in Vegas this weekend. Mayhem to some chaos to others. It's the herd.

Today it's game four of the NLDS as Manny Machado and the Dodgers look to close out the Braves. If it's anything like last night's thriller, you won't want to miss it. It all starts at 4 Eastern on FS1 and the Fox Sports app. Is it Clayton Kershaw starting game five? Could be Clayton. Is it Clayton Kersh? He would be game five if it gets there, I think.

Okay, game five. So the Dodgers game two. Okay, so they would have a big advantage there. By the way, the UFC, since the 1980s when I got into this business, there's been a lot of leagues that have been formed and they've all died. The one that's been created and worked is UFC. It did not exist when I started in this business. Didn't exist.

It didn't exist 10 years when I was in this business. Then they started it and it last night or this weekend there was chaos. Connor McGregor who threw a dolly at Khabibb months ago and then this fight and after the fight Khabib's jumping into the fans and there's fist of cuffs and everybody's freaking out. And I'm saying this is on brand. this is what this sport is this sport is raw it is at times over the top it is completely unpredictable folks sports is all about did you see that that was a did you see that moment this is the sport has survived many times because of its unpredictability it's raw visceral inappropriate edge Listen, tennis and golf all full of the elite people.

Football and hockey is tough guys. It gets violent. This is crazy people. We see fighters get kicked off cards. We see fighters kick, claw, do stuff you shouldn't do. The comments after these fights are sometimes there was one this weekend of Joe Rogan. Outrageous. You get banned from a network.

This UFC is the sport. There was a slot that was available in America. The XFL tried to do this, that the NFL was too coach, too clean, too systematic. And the XFL came in and said, we're going to be a little inappropriate. Guys may swear on the air. This sport, this is not going to hurt this sport. This is what this sport is. I don't think it's going to hurt the sport, but you can't involve fans' safety in this sport.

There was 17,000 people at that fight. Four, and by the way, where they jumped into the, it wasn't really the crowd. It was jumping into trainers, some media. Four people got, you know. some media. I don't want a UFC fighters coming, flying through the air at me. But I don't either. But people go to hockey games and have a puck hit him in the temple. And people go to baseball games. Well, I mean, a stray puck is one thing. A trained assassin climbing over the cage coming after people in the stands is something different.

He didn't want to hit anybody in the stands. He wanted to get McGregor's people because they got real personal about his family and his culture and his religion. I don't care what is said to you. You don't think horrible things are said to football. players on the field. We know horrible things are said to basketball players on the court because we can hear them because it's very small and intimate. There's no excuse to climb over and involve fans and media

in your sport. There's a reason why there's a license that you get to box and fight. I'm not saying it's appropriate. It's because your hands are literal weapons. It will not hurt this sport at all. I don't think it's going to hurt the sport, but it's not acceptable. At one point

or another, they have to say you can't behave this way outside. side of the off the octagon. There's a reason that most networks won't buy UFC. There's a lot of networks are like not interested. But in order to create, they created a slot in the marketplace. They make their money on pay-per-view, not advertising. I love UFC. I love these big fights. I think it's completely taken over boxing. I think it's great for the sports world in general. Wildly entertaining. I think McGregor is huge. I think Ronda Rousey was huge. And it was a great entertaining fight. Everyone was watching. I'm just saying at one point or another,

you've got to put your foot down and say you can't throw things into buses full of other fighters. You can't climb over the octagon into the crowd and cause a melee when people are paying thousands of dollars to watch you fight. And I'm saying part of their brand is dangerous. And that's why a lot of advertisers don't want to be involved, but it's what drives their pay-per-view. I think they found an American slot.

I think they found a slot in sports that's available that other leagues don't want to go to, don't want to get involved in. And UFC's like, listen, we're crazy here. I mean, you've seen their press conferences. are throwing stuff at people. Yeah, but that's not, that's not okay. Like at one point or another, you got to have some level of, like, respect. Couldn't you argue that it's, this was not orchestrated, obviously.

Right. But those press conferences, it's all. But, I mean, people have gotten punched. They're orchestrated. I think this is their brand. I think their brand is we're crazy people. If another fighter gets punched, that's fine. That's what you signed up for.

I didn't sign up to go to a UFC fight and accidentally get Habib's elbow in my eyeball. Because I'm not coming back from that. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Oh, this is Petty. You know I like Petty, Colin.

So LeBron left Cleveland for a second time this summer. As we know, he's with the Lakers. And there was going to be an issue of who was going to take over LeBron's locker for next season. So the Cavs had taken a unique approach to solve that problem. Some might even call it Petty. They have replaced LeBron's locker spot with a towel storage unit. Yeah, that's kind of petty. I love it.

I mean, it's a little tricky. Like, who do you give that to? Well, exactly. As you tell me this story, my takeaway is probably smart, actually. You don't want to say, oh, you got LeBron's locker. You're not. I think you just give it to a rookie. That's funny.

Turning into towel storage is kind of ridiculous. That's so funny. You're just going to pretend that it's not even there. But then there's a really special towels now. So Baker Mayfield sent a blunt message to the Texas Longhorns on Instagram ahead of Saturday's Red River rivalry matchup. I'll say that three times fast. He posted this with the caption. Y'all know what today is.

I can't stand them. One of my favorite picks, look how sad they look going back up the tunnel. Hashtag Texas sucks. And it is Baker with the OU flag. Well, in a great game, Texas held on to beat the Sooners 48 to 45. And former Texas basketball star. Someone you might have heard of before. Kevin Durant. Never wanted to say off the internet.

Had a comeback from Baker. He posted the video of Baker dancing and wrote the caption, Mood, Weback, Hook him, OU, Sucks. Yeah. It was a wild game. It was a crazy game. First of all, Texas started blowing him out, and here came Oklahoma, and then Texas came back, and it was great.

That video isolated of Baker is really funny. This kid is elegant. A good quarterback. A tough kid. Yeah. Big thick, tough kid. It was a great kid. Finally, O'Dell was asked point blank by ESPN's

Drosina Anderson if there was an issue with Eli Manning at quarterback, and his answer got everyone bothered. He's not going to get out the pocket. We know Eli's not running. But is it a matter of time issue? Can he still throw it? Yeah, it's been pretty safe. It's been, you know, cool catching a shallow and trying to take it to the house.

But, you know, I want to go over the top of somebody. You know, I do agree with Trent, who's just on with us, who said that now they're going to have to deal with this all week. So it's kind of one of those things where you want to deal with it in-house. But I do wonder, because O'Dell seems like he's the type to be very transparent and not really follow the rules or bite his tongue. I wonder if he has said this in-house and it's not moved anyone. You know, sometimes people don't get the message. So you have to say it publicly. So you have to say it publicly and put everyone on notice.

I feel like, you know, I did not like the way that they handled Eli Manning last year with benching him. I thought it was a disaster. They're babying him. It was just, it was just an disaster. It's an embarrassment. This year, I mean, you know what Eli Manning is. And it's no disrespect to his career, but you know what he is now. So you basically have a wash of a year because I don't think anybody believes they're going to turn this around.

And then you have to draft a player next year. So you've essentially burned another year of Odell and his prime. Yeah. You put together, you brought Bar. in, like you brought in all these pieces. At one point another, doesn't Eli Manning just have to be good? Like, doesn't he not have to deliver? How many pieces do you have to give a quarterback

before they actually do something? Again. And it's no disrespect to what he's done, but this is where you are now. Eli's a 15-year veteran. Stop babing him. Stop coddling him. Stop enabling him. He is often a shot fighter. He threw an absolutely horrible pick yesterday. It's like, stop it. You've checked all the boxes. You've given him a left tackle, a back, a tied end, a new coach. At some

point, Odell Beckham's saying what we're all saying, which is, yeah, it'd be nice to do something beyond, you know, dumping the ball underneath. Well, everybody wants to get on Odell's case because he's O'Dell, and, you know, we know everything that comes with O'Dowell, but he's speaking the truth. Like, that's also that comes with O'Dowell. He speaks his mind, and he's not wrong. Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lide news. Is former Packer, Greg Jennings, ready to answer very difficult questions. questions like that was on Aaron Rogers, not the kicker. That's next. It's the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Ten years to Super Bowl ring, multiple time pro bowler. Used to be a friend Aaron Rogers. Probably is, but wouldn't admit it.

Okay. Greg Jennings. So listen, it's easy to blame the kicker. I don't think Aaron was very good for the first hour and a half. I don't think he had any energy. Can we blame Aaron a little bit for this? A little? We can. Absolutely, of course.

For me, if I look at it from percentages, I would put 60% of it on Mason Crosby because he just, he can't do that. Worst game of his career. Yes, and he knows that. But 40% of it, I put it on Aaron Rogers. I mean, you have the presser. You talk about the lack of offensive play calling and creativity and all of these things. So you create a spotlight even more of a.

microscope on yourself and you come out and you have the start that you had. Now, mind you, they've struggled in Ford Field the last few years, but Aaron, you can't, you can't do that. And it's not so much what his numbers ended up because did he do enough for them to win? He did. That's not what I'm most concerned about. For me, what stood out was his body language, his demeanor, his lack of involvement with the guys during the game, meaning he had a look on him like he was disgusted, but it was kind of that, whoa, here we go again. There was one image that they shown during the broadcast of the game where he went to the sideline, he put his hands across his lap, he's sitting there, they show his receivers there on another bench,

putting, they're looking as lost, as little puppy dogs as well. There's no fire. There's no, if we have to operate, if we have to execute these plays, if this is all we have, then guys, let's make it happen. Let's make it work. When I see Drew Breeze, when I see Tom Brady, they get fired up because it's, it's no longer in the coach's hands. This is on us now.

Like, and you set the tone, you being Aaron Rogers, you set the tone and that's what I did not like. Did he play, eventually play well? By the way, I heard this years ago by a coach. He said, Jay Cutler and Aaron Rogers, there's some similarities here that they kind of go off by themselves. They grab their thing. They do their thing. They're kind of in their own space.

The difference is Aaron's an unbelievable talent and Jay Cutler wasn't as good a player. But this is very rare for a player like you to talk about this. Quarterbacks are more than arm and feet. It's messaging. It's body language. Aaron can be kind of passive. Aggressive. He can be, I would say, disengaged.

He can't, and I know guys who have played with him, not you that have said he can be moody. He gets into his own space. It was evident in the first half. And when you look at, we talked about him when he made the comments early in the season. I think it was training camp about or maybe early in the season when he talked about their practices and how they were underperforming. But coming into this game, I had an issue with him talking about the way practice went. And we'll get into Odell eventually, but Aaron Rogers, that he was asked about how was practice this week. It could have been better.

Like, it wasn't great, you know, with the young receivers, kind of calling out the young. And this is all you have to go in the game with. You don't have Randall Cobb. You don't have your nucleus of guys that you typically go into a game with. So if I was going into a game with a backup quarterback, that would not be what I'm saying. I would be saying, oh, we have all the faith in Matt Flynn in the world. We'll be just fine. We're good.

He advertised their issues. Yes. And so now all of a sudden it's, we go into this game with this expectation of these young guys not pulling it through for him when it was him that came out flat. It was him that didn't set the tone with the start of the game the way that they wanted to. So I can't give him a pass for that. Speaking of setting the tone, OBJ set the tone came out before the game in an interview. It was critical of Eli Manning, not harsh. honest, elephant in the room for one of the few times I defended him, your takeaway.

I did defend him. You did. And I think most of you receivers are icing and crazy people. Yeah, yeah. You don't have to go there. I'm proud of you for that. You proud of me? I'm proud of you for defending him.

He could have said a lot more. Are you kidding me? I listened to Trent. And, you know, we are taught to be politically correct and going to these situations with a certain way. But there comes a point in time in your career when you're just tired of being fake and phone. You're tired of just saying what everyone wants you to say. Totally get it. You're tired of it because it doesn't provide you with anything progressively.

You don't get any answers with it? So you get asked the question and it's up to you to then say, you know what, I'm going to be as honest as I can be without really serious. stirring the pot. We want all you athletes to be leaders. Yes. Leaders say uncomfortable things. He said an uncomfortable thing.

That's what leadership is. And all these headlines about should do the Giants regret? No, because before they paid them, everything was predicated on, well, he's going to have all these antics, his celebrations, sideline, and penalties, and this and that. He hasn't done anything but produced this year. Then the first thing that he says, it's really to motivate or to really address what everybody knows is there. Ben McAdoo benches Eli Manning. Get run out of town.

And he's done. Get rid of town. By the way, in football, unlike basketball or baseball, no guaranteed contracts. There's about three guys in every locker room that can say that. And if you're one of them, you have a responsibility. You have to do it because everybody in the locker room is looking at you like, oh, hell, man. You don't say something? Like that is locker room code.

Guys in the locker room know that, okay, if I'm not the one that coach will listen to, you are. Who's the face of the franchise? You have to be the one to say it. By the way, Dallas, Jason Garrett, two minutes, defend him. Jason Garrett made the right decision. He made the right decision. He went with who he trust in that moment. Their defense was playing excellent.

They had stopped them in the red zone. And when you look at their offense, 20 rushes, 54. yards averaging 2.7 yards to carry. The play before, they lose a half a yard. Again, I'm listening to you and Vic talk and Vic's like, oh, yeah, we got to go for it. A couple of dudes, couple of alphas. I told Vic, man, no, man, absolutely not. Because he said the offensive line feels like, oh, you don't believe in.

No, I don't believe in you right now. And that should fire you up. That should tick you off to where the next time we're not in the situation because you did get us to one yard on third down. So you would have sent the punter out? Absolutely, because my defense, that's who I trust right now. If we're, if we're watching the Warriors and Clay Thomas, Clay Thompson has the hot hand, with the game on the line, yeah, we have Durant, we have Steph, we have all these other guys, but Steve Kerr's going to try to find a way to get Clay the ball because he's had the hot hand. You don't go away from that. You go with what's

gotten you there. By the way, I got to be honest, a minute and a half left, I think what's happening to Philadelphia is funny. Hey, hey, New England. Here we go. It's so good. It is so good right now. Hey, New England, let me tell you how to win games. In your face, dog mask guy, Lane Johnson. Let me tell you where I could stand up here.

I could come over there and just kick you out of the scene. New England will tell you people how to win. You wait till five weeks then and Lane Johnson gives up a strip sack on Carson Winston, all of a sudden, it's Lane Johnson. Well, you do have to admit it's unfortunate timing for Lane Johnson. I mean, unfortunate timing, did we talk? about in week one? No.

We pick and choose the timing. You're defending lame Johnson for, I want to have fun. I'm defending the Philadelphia Eagles because the season is not over. They lost to a Minnesota Vikings team that gave up over 500 yards of offense. The last Thursday, they got embarrassed when they went to Philly last year in the playoffs. Of course they're going to come out like this. And then you got a quarterback that is your guy who's played, this is his third game back? He hasn't had an entire offseason or training camp to really develop the rapport that he has developed in the meeting rooms to put in action physically.

That matters. He needs that time. I'm not concerned about the Philadelphia Eagles and this whole hangover stuff. I don't want to hear that because we went 15 to 1. I keep saying this. There's no such thing as a hangover. The Cleveland Browns, do they have a hangover of being the worst team in the league? No.

The herd. This is the herd. Number three, live in Los Angeles, wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio on FS1. Joy, Taylor, was at the Rams Seahawks game yesterday. I'm just looking at a picture of you next to Jared Goff. He's really tall. Yes.

The pictures of me next to Goff and Gurley do not do me any favors for how a short am. I am a short person. People always tell me that they think I'm tall and then they meet me in their surprise. And I just say it's because I'm just big energy. Big energy. But I am very short. So I won a couple thousand dollars this weekend. Let me tell you the backstory.

Do I have to step in soon? Not yet. Not yet. Okay, so let me tell you the backstory. I bet big occasionally on a Super Bowl or something, but I don't bet. You know, I bet 50 bucks. I bet $100 on games. So three weeks ago, I bet $1,000 on a game, and I announced it on TV.

I bet it on Cleveland to beat the Jets. And Baker Mayfield came into the game, wasn't scheduled to, and won it for me. so I said, Baker Mayfield won me $1,000. Baker, Baker, Moneymaker. And then the following week, I said, this time I'm going to bet against Baker. And he lost the game, had four turnover. So again, he won me money. Baker, Baker, Moneymaker.

Well, this weekend, I rolled it over again. I said, I don't like the Baker line. I think that's going to be a really close game. I don't like the Baker-Mayfield Cleveland line. I think the Jets facing Denver, Denver on a short week. Jets played like crap. They'll come home, play great. Darnold was fantastic.

like two big deep balls to Robbie Anderson, Terrell Plyer. He was really good. And he really key plays in the game, a couple of home run balls. So it was Darnold Dollars. He won me. So I've rolled it over now. I'm up to $4,000. And here is the mystery suitcase, the amazing suitcase.

So it went from Baker, Baker, Moneymaker to Darnold Dollars. Well, I'm going to roll it over again. So I'm up to $4,000. You're going to bet all $4,000. So I bet a thousand. thousand, I won, so I had two, and I rolled that over, I got four, and I win there, I got $4,000. So I won a thousand. So, okay. Then I rolled it over to two. You didn't answer my question. And I rolled it over to four. Are you betting all of it on your, on that set? So this week, I will

announce in 30 minutes. These are my, these are my, I'm going to use only rookie quarterbacks. There is a, there's actually two great lines with rookie quarterbacks that would be in my blazing five. So in, in 30 minutes, I'm not. saying it's going to be Baker. I'm not saying it's going to be Darnold. But I'm going to roll the $4,000 over with a chance to win $8,000.

All right. Tony Gonzalez, 15 minutes. Best for last today. All right. Remember what Lane Johnson, Philadelphia Eagles offensive linemen said after the Eagles won the Super Bowl. I'd much, quote, I'd much rather have fun

and win one Super Bowl than be miserable and win five Super Bowls. Well, you're going to get your wish there, Chief, because Philadelphia's a mess right now. Didn't we predict this? Didn't we tell you that Philadelphia, the puffier chest city, led by Lane Johnson, suspended twice, by the way, for PEDs. You know, you know guys like that, the shortcut guy. He was also the guy that was the impetus for the dog masks.

Ow! Who let the dogs out? I don't know. They get let out all the time in Foxborough without the masks. Lane Johnson, it was his guy that created that fumble slash interception yesterday. Lane Johnson did a terrible job on that play, an absolutely terrible job on that play. Virtually unblocked, creates the ball in the air, it gives the Vikings a touchdown, and game officially over. It should be noted that last week, fun guy, who let the dogs out guy, also did a terrible job on a blocking play. that created a hit and a fumble and created the inertia for the Tennessee Titans

to win their biggest game of the year over Philadelphia. Hey, Lane Johnson, 24 hours in a day, eight of its work, eight of its sleep, and eight of its fun and social. But the work part is called work for a reason. Okay, we all have, we all go to a Christmas party. It's called, you know, the Christmas slash holiday party. Work is not designed to always be a good time. I mean, first of all, the idea that you'd rather win one Super Bowl than five, if you have to put in more work is such a loser comment in any business.

It's called work. But Philadelphia fell into a trap, and we predicted it. Even in their own division, the Cowboys have five Super Bowls, the New York Giants have four Super Bowls, Washington has three Super Bowls, Philadelphia has one. And they're suddenly lecturing everybody else in football on, hey, this winning thing, here's how it's. done. Stop. You're embarrassing yourself. Marginally briefly successful guy doesn't get a lecture Nick Saban or Belichick on how to win it football. Lane Johnson. Your guy this week and your guy the previous week is the one that shot through and created leverage and opportunity and inertia for the other team. And the Eagles got a real winner here. They got shortcut guy, created dog mask guy,

Work should be fun guy. I mean, Chris Carter nailed it on first things first. It is embarrassing when briefly successful guy suddenly lectures the NFL's greatest dynasty on what winning is all about. We have more fun. How much fun you having now? That's what I want to ask, Lane Johnson, how much fun you haven't? Like, you're not the best right tackling pro football. That offensive line, there was a dominant force.

There are no dominant force. Football's the only sport where you practice six times. more than you play. And the one thing that's always fun, even in a bad locker room, is winning. And Lane Johnson took it upon himself, dog-mask guy, to lecture New England on the winning thing. Embarrassing. All right, so let me defend Odell Beckham. Oh, people are going crazy on Odell Beckham. And by the way, Odell Beckham just signed a massive contract. He is the face of the franchise, not the quarterback. He is a superstar in the NFL. And, unlike the NBA in baseball, where contracts are guaranteed.

In that New York Giants locker room, there are very few people that can say how they feel and not get cut and not get demoted. There is a responsibility in professional football for the handful of players who can say whatever they want and not get demoted to bring up the elephant in the room. So the New York Giants, O'Dell Beckham, had an interview before the game. And he said, regarding Eli Manning. I don't know. I feel like he's not going to get out of the pocket.

We know Eli's not running. Can he still throw it? Yeah. But, you know, it's been pretty safe. You know, it's cool, catching shallow stuff. But, you know, I want to go over the top someday. Is he wrong? Is that inaccurate?

Do you call him a terrible teammate? Did he say, I think we should. to demote him. It's the elephant in the room in New York City right now. And by the way, the owner of the New York Giants won't do it. They should have drafted a quarterback. They wouldn't. The GM of the Giants could have had Sam Darnold, could have had Josh Allen, could have had

Josh Rosen. He didn't. So nobody else in the room wants to address the elephant in it, which is Eli appears to be mostly a shot fighter. So if O'Dell Beckham won't, and by the way, he did it, respectfully. He just basically said things that are true. Like, you know, he's not going to run. He's dealing with underneath routes. He's not going to get out of the pocket. We know he's not running. This is outrageous. No, that's just telling Uncle Phil. Uncle Phil, cool it on the Donald

Trump comments at Thanksgiving. It's not cool. Dad, you're drinking too much. Grandma, you shouldn't be driving anymore. Somebody's got to say that stuff. Somebody has to say that in every family. or the problems fester and nobody talks about them. I mean, good Lord, the giants keep giving Eli. They spend a fortune on a left tackle. They draft a running back. They sign another wide receiver. How many gifts can they give Eli Manning?

New coach, check, star running back, check, left tackle, check, draft another offensive lineman, check, get more receivers, check. They're checking all the boxes. and it's still a bad offense. So in a sport where very few players, I mean a handful of players, have real power,

have real leverage, or a face of a franchise. O'Dell Beckham talked about something that made everybody a little uncomfortable and he didn't regret it after the game. I feel like we don't, we don't, if we're not all on the same page,

if it's not, authentic and real, and we can all understand each other, then there's going to always be miscommunication. I'm just excited about the way we pulled together. Like I said, we came up short, but we fought today. I haven't felt any more closer than I have in the last 24 hours. And like I said, if it took that to bring us together, I could take that. At the end, they came out with the win, but I'm proud of where we stand. Even though we're one and four, this game today is going to be monumental for our season in my eyes. Okay. If those comments were so disruptive, and I watched every snap of this game, it was one of the craziest games in the NFL this season. It was a weird game. But if they were so disruptive, why did the Giants finally play well? Some of you were listening to me. Some of you are watching. There's stuff happening in your family. If you're the one that's the strongest, the safest, the smartest, you owe your family to bring it up. Odell Beckham, Jr., somebody had to talk.

about Eli Manning, the elephant in the room. All right, 15 minutes. I am going, I won 1,000, I doubled it to 2,000. I let it ride to 4,000. I'm letting it ride to 8,000. I'll give you my bet of the week in the NFL. This is a new trend on the show. I like it a lot.

Big money gambling. I imagine so. Okay. Okay, so here we go. Here we go. So I'll give you it in 15 minutes. I'll tell you my bed of the week. and blazing fives on fire.

Tony Gonzalez next. Another thing. It is very interesting who we decide to support and who we choose to criticize. Very interesting numbers. And I don't know why we do this, but we do, and we'll talk about it coming up next. When tough weather hits, and we're in October now, we're in early October, but we're about three weeks away. By the way, just snowed in a part of Utah this morning.

So you get in there, Buffalo, Cleveland, Ohio. Detroit, Michigan, colder parts of the country. You're getting some bad rain Seattle. It rained. You were there yesterday, Joy. It rained in Seattle. It rained all day. Thursday, Carson Wentz and the Eagles battles.

Saquan Barkley and the Giants in a fierce divisional showdown. It all starts at 7.30 Eastern on Fox, NFL Network, and streaming on Prime Video. Philadelphia, keep lecturing us on how to win football games. That's turning out. You are loving this. Yeah, I am loving it. It is interesting. who we decide to support in life and who we decide to criticize.

You know, the overarching theme is always Aaron Rogers doesn't have anything to work with. Oh, he just doesn't have anything to work with. And at the same time, it's always, you know, Andrew Luck is overrated. Really? Okay. Since Andrew Luck came into the league, Aaron Rogers has had four offensive linemen at Pro Bowl level. Andrew Luck zero. running back pro bowlers.

Aaron Rogers has had two, Andrew Luck's zero. White receiver pro bowlers, advantage Aaron, defensive pro bowlers, advantage Aaron. The only thing Andrew Luck had more of is head coaches. Andrew Luck currently leads the NFL in completions and is third in touchdowns. And he is playing with backups. Andrew Luck is playing with freaking backups. He has no running game. None. T.Y. Hilton is only top player.

Out. By the way, if I say last seven years, who's Andrew Luck's best teammate? You can't even think of one. Maybe T.Y. Hilton? In the last seven years, Aaron Rogers has had Jordy Nelson, Devonte Adams, Greg Jennings, Clay Matthews, Charles Woodson, Brian Belaga, and Julius Peppers. All elite NFL players. So I don't want to hear about Aaron Rogers doesn't have any help.

By the way, Aaron's had the better coach. Mike McCarthy is better than Chuck Pagano. And Aaron had the better general manager. Ted Thompson was replaced, but he's better than Ryan Grigsden. Aaron also had the better home field advantage. And it's not like that division was great. In fact, you can make an argument that Matt Stafford's had less help in his own division than Aaron Rogers. Matt Stafford went five years without a hundred-yard rusher.

I mean, I know we love Aaron Rogers, and I know he's handsome and cool and he's got a better razor than Andrew Luck. I get that. I mean, I get that. But, you know, it's funny. we choose to defend and who we choose to hammer. Aaron Rogers has had a marty graw of fun. He's had a surplus of talent compared to Andrew Luck. Andrew Luck is still looking for his first decent offensive lineman.

He's still looking for his first seven years. No Pro Bowl offensive lineman. Aaron's had four. And I think a couple of those have been multiple pro bowl guys. With that, we bring in 14 times. pro boulder second most receptions in NFL history behind jerry rice welcome today hey joy all i'm saying about under luck andrew luck's pretty good you bring up a good point that was good i like that you like that

one yeah that makes sense right there now people listening if that doesn't make sense to you then i don't know what will yeah that you're absolutely right on with that one we just we just you know there's just like certain politicians we like but i understand that because like i'm a republican or i'm a democrat you pick aside yeah but in sports like we'll put our arms around a guy and we'll like cast another guy off and it's like let's break it down to data or let's break it down to this when you looked at Aaron yesterday they were down 24 nothing at half he wasn't very good in the first half it's okay um I don't think Aaron's playing particularly well right now I don't I said it and I'm supposed to say it you don't think he's playing that well

well well well first half two fumbles led to a 10 points for Detroit completed like 50% of his throws had a quarterback rating first half he missed open guys as Greg Jettie said, I don't think his body language was great. Quarterbacks are asked to be a lot of things. Yeah. The guy. His body language was not very good. It wasn't very indicative of a leader out there. And he's frustrated.

There's no doubt about that. Obviously, last week, calling out Mike McCarthy, which blatantly called him out. It is what it is. And I don't have a problem with that. I mean, you're a leader of that team. They're paying you 33, whatever it is. He deserves, he can say what he wants, not what he wants, but he can criticize people. But his body

language was not great. It was horrible. And he feels right now that he's not playing with the talent that he wants to play with. And it is true. Some of those receivers out there, I'm like, who is that? I don't even know who that is. Besides Jimmy Graham, Randall Cobb is out. I like Adams is good,

but Geronimo wasn't playing. It's tough to go out there and not play with your guys and not be on the same pace. Playing with young guys is frustrated. I'm not saying that. But I know this. Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rogers, Tom Brady. You know how it is, man.

It doesn't work. not linear. Dan Fouts had years with good players and years with a bad offensive line. Terry Bradshaw had bad teams early and great teams late. At some point, you can't pout on the field. And sometimes with Aaron, you feel a little Jay Cutler, he's pouting on the field.

But remember these guys, Hall of Fame guys, they want to win. They want to win now. They're so competitive. Tom Brady, a couple weeks ago, was calling out guys on the sideline. They were losing. And he's calling out these young guys. He gets his guys back, you know, gets a good guy like

Tom's in a good mood. Got Julian Adam in. Everybody's so happy now. When the pressure's on, when people lose their marbles, we want to crucify him. But you got to keep your cool. Don't get me wrong. But it's frustrating. I've been through some losing seasons.

You want to scream. Did you ever drive to the stadium and not want to play? Not that I don't want to play. No, I always enjoyed the game. But there was definitely times I'm looking around that locker room, looking around at my teammates. And I'm like, first, some of those guys don't care. They could give a damn about winning. You talk about winning.

A lot of guys don't care. That's where Tom Brady gets frustrated. It's like, get in your playbook. Why don't you know what to do? And it gets frustrating. And they're just not talented enough to go win games. It's like, hey, they can be the best guys on the team. But if you're not good enough, we're not going to win games.

You know, I think it comes down to this with Aaron. Aaron's always been really good. Aaron's now going to be 35 in December. Aaron's had a couple of surgeries. Packers, he looks around at his division and Chicago's defensive front is scary. And Minnesota's got a better roster. And I think Aaron's frustrated. And I think it's coming out.

It's coming out publicly. He's frustrated. And the thing is, Aaron thinks I hate him. I don't. But I do think he wears his emotions and his condescending nature sometimes on his, it's way out there. And I thought yesterday, I thought the first half yesterday, Aaron didn't look very good. And I don't think Aaron played with a lot of energy. And I think it just, his comments during the week bled over to Sunday, bled into the warm-ups,

blooded how he looked. Yeah. And he deserves some criticism. And maybe you made a mistake, but I got a feeling, as always, is Aaron Roger does, he will get this thing right. Okay, so Ogel Beckham's ripping. I didn't think he ripped Eli Manning. Trent Dilfer and I disagree.

I'm kind of okay with star players being critical. I kind of am okay with it. Now, you were never a guy that came out and talked like that. Not really. That wasn't your thing. But you've told me that you regret it. Yeah. That you wish you would have been more

outspoken. Yeah. You should have been. You were good looking, highly paid, great. Went to Cal. You were smart. You had things to say you chose not to be outspoken. Not to rock the boat. Why? Because I didn't want to rock the boat. I didn't want to look at my teammates, knowing that I criticized them and them being upset with me. I care too much about what they think. And some players don't care. And I'm, what O'Dell, I'm not upset with what he did either. I'm not because they paid him.

They gave him all that money. He's one of the best receivers in the league. This is what you get. You made that choice when you paid him all that money. point. So for him to be out, he's a leader on that team, whether you like it or not. And so him to come out and say something, they played a lot better. I mean, it worked. When you call out a guy, when I used to get called out, it hurts my feeling sometime, you know. You're sensitive. I'm a little sensitive now. If you're questioning my ability on the football field. And then I would say, all right, screw you, you know, if you're talking about it. But then secret, I'd go home and I would think about it, and I would make adjustments and come back better.

And I think that's what happened. Some guys might not like to be called out, but sometimes you've got to call them. It's like having kids. Did you ever get called out? You're very sensitive. I like that about you. I got called it. Not in the media, but I got, actually, I got called out in the paper by, by, by, by, uh, Riders in Whitlock, yeah.

Whitlock called you a bust or something. Call me a bus. Can you believe that guy? Call me a bus, man. Hey, it worked. He did, you got a bet your first rookie year, you dropped a bunch of balls. Second year, dropped 17 balls. Oh, wow.

Led the NFL and drop passes. And when he wrote that I was on the verge of being a bus and he gave me a D-minus and said, you're going to be driven out of town. everybody on the team felt the same way he did, but they wouldn't say it to me. But actually I did. I got bench twice, and you think about this stuff. I have no problem with certain players doing it. You can't do it all the time, no.

Beckham should not say another word for the rest of the season. If he wants something to say, go say it to them directly. Don't say it in the media anymore. So, you know, we've talked about the Cowboys going for it, not going for it. The Rams went for it yesterday. But initially, my takeaway is always, coaches are all conservative. They don't want to go for it. even Sean McVeigh, who we love, he's at the punt team out.

And then Pete Carroll called a timeout, and he's like, all right, I'm going to have courage and go for it. So we bang on Jason Garrett, but my takeaway is you played in this league for 17 years. Most coaches don't want to go for it because coaches get fired, tight ends don't. And it's a very easy thing to go, that idiot went for it on fourth. So when you watch the Rams, when you watch the Cowboys, do you like the Go Ford stuff? I love to go for it. In fact, when he was sent, because he went for it earlier in the game, when it was fourth and four, down in the red zone, whatever.

That was, to me, like, one of the calls of the day yesterday. Gutsy call, and he went for it, and they got the pass interference. This time, half and whatever, come on. Trust your players. I did like the Rams play, too. Golf 6-4. This is what Brady does. Just hike, lean forward.

Don't ever complicate it. It's not that difficult. Do you watch Sunday night games? You see Deshawn Watson, they had a fourth and short one time, and they were in shotgun. I'm like, what do you what do you? And they didn't get it. And they didn't get it. Yeah. They were weird. Houston's weird. There's so much of them that's physical. And then offensively, there can be so finesse. Their defense is so physical. Their offense can be so finesse. They're the shotgun on the two-yard line. Yeah. Some of the play calling down there.

It was a little questionable. So we're all through, how many weeks are we through the NFL season? Now, we're five weeks through the NFL season. Philadelphia plays the New York Giants on Thursday. and so you've been on a great team that came back to following year and was nothing. Atlanta. You came back the following year. And I used you as an example earlier. So Philadelphia's Super Bowl, they come back and Wence isn't right and they don't get to push offensively. Their secondary is not great.

Do you think what you were with Atlanta or do you think they turn it around Thursday? I think Philly can turn it around. They got the players. They got some really good football players on that team. and the cream will rise to the top. Yeah, cream rises to the top of the crop. Or crop or whatever it is. Joy, do you know what that's saying, right?

Isn't it just cream rises to the top? Yeah, that makes sense. Of the crop, the top of the crop. So you think Philly's fine? I think Philly's going to be okay. I think they'll catch rhythm here pretty soon if they stay healthy. Minnesota, on the other hand, I don't see them bouncing back. I don't think it's going to be that great of a year,

even though they played a lot better yesterday. Yeah. We'll see. All right, Tony Gonzalez. By the way, I know you haven't been, did you watch, I bet my biggest bet of the week was Sam Darnold yesterday, and Baker played well, and Josh Allen played well, and Josh Rosen played well. You know what's funny about this is that if you look at the bust rate for all these rookie quarterbacks, it's plummeting because they're using so much college stuff that these quarterbacks are coming in now, Tony, they're ready to play. They're ready to play, but let's, the number one, you know, we had this conversation on our show yesterday, similar. By the way, I'm sure you told everybody that you said they were all going to win.

I did. Very bright guy. But physicality in the NFL is over. There's no more imposing your will. These quarterbacks don't have to get hit either. They don't have to get hit. It's a different game. Totally.

Ask Troy Aikman. Ask Terry, ask those guys how it was to sit back in the pocket knowing that that 300-pound guy could put all his weight on you. Well, it used to be Ray Lewis. This is what interesting. was never as good against the pass as he was against the run. Yeah. When you played Ray Lewis. Yeah, there's guys like Ray Lewis, Rodney Harrison, John Lynch.

Think about Ray Lewis. When you played Ray Lewis, what was the book on Ray Lewis? Put him in space. Put him in space. And let's try to beat him in the passing game. If you were going to run the ball against Ray, it was over. Over. He's one of the best.

People forget the Steph Curry in basketball. If he came into the NBA in 1984 is not Steph Curry. No. Like a lot of it is, Tony. If you look at the game today, Tony, as good as your numbers were. You're the second, you're the NFL's number two all-time receptions. You would be 110 catch-a-game guy if you had the right quarterback with this offense. Because when you broke into this league for the first eight years, I could grab you.

Yeah, we'd grab you. They could hit you over the middle. There was a lot of things that, they were just a lot more. They could impose their will. Can't anymore. They can out physical you at the skill position. You can't do that anymore. So why not pass?

I'm involved for it. Let's pass away if I'm an offense. Cream of the crop rises to the top of the crop. That's what it is. You just got it. Thank you. The crop rises to the top. Of the crop.

Oh, Lord. I don't know about the crop on you. Sounds like a bunch of crop. Joy Taylor with the news. No. No. No. No. This is the herd line news. So I haven't given the Chiefs a lot of love today.

We haven't given them. They've not given them a lot of love at all. Let's give him some love, shall we? Or let Bill Belichick give him some love. They will be the next team to get a shot at stopping Patrick Mahomes and the Chief. So he was asked this morning about what Mahomes game, what about Mahomes game has stood out to him. And Belichick couldn't narrow it down to just one thing.

Yeah, pretty much everything. Gets the ball to all of his receivers, quick, quick release, sees things quickly, can extend plays, got a great arm, got a fabulous arm, throw the ball out of the stadium. Makes good decisions, accurate, get the ball out on time. You know, Belichick is always kind of singing the praises of his opponents because he doesn't really ever give any kind of bulletin board material.

But Mahom's finished with 313 passing yards, no touchdowns and two picks, which was easily the worst performance of it. It was also crappy weather. Yeah, it wasn't great weather. And they rolled the Jags 30 to 14. Yeah. Jags defense bad weather. He did throw a couple of picks.

It wasn't ideal, but he was good. Of course he was, yeah, I'm being sarcastic. Like the Chiefs are, I mean, who do you think is the better team right now, the Chiefs or the Rams? I think the Rams are a more complete team. I think the Chiefs are better at what they do. I'll throw this at you. See if I'm crazy. So Thursday night, or not this week, next weekend, the Patriots play the Chiefs.

Right. If you're the Patriots and you look around the AFC right now, who's good? Seriously. Okay, Kansas City. Right. If you're the Patriots and you play Mahomes, who's this young quarterback. How much do you show him? How much do you show Patrick Mahomes?

Or do you show him a couple of things, but do you keep a lot of things in a suitcase knowing that we're going to face him again late? I'm not saying you're not trying to win. But if you're Bill Belichick, is it that sliding ruler thing where you're like, we're not going to show him everything we're going to do here. We want to win for home field advantage. Right. I don't know.

Maybe you couldn't argue that or you just throw everything at him and try and put it. Put it in his head. Put it in his head. He can't beat them. Because part of beating the Patriots when they're playing at their highest level is knowing that you can beat the Patriots at the highest level. That's a good point. So you could just throw everything at him as well, but they're both rolling right now. So don't look now with the rounds won their second game.

It's a very ugly overtime win, but it was a win. We don't count moral victories around here. And here is Baker after the game. Take a lot of pride in that. That shows that we're starting to change the culture around here. that guys, you know, early on or I think in the past thought, you know, when something bad happens, you know, kind of get in the tank a little bit, put their head down.

But we have a team right now that's starting to believe in themselves and rightfully so. So I take a lot of pride in the culture change and being positive, always moving forward and doing your job no matter what the situation is. Yeah, that was big for us. Yeah, he had a couple big plays. I thought Darnold hit more home run balls. I thought Darnel went over the top and hit more home run balls. But I thought Baker was very competent,

had a couple of really nice runs out of trouble, had a big touchdown throw. So he was good. What do you think of the AFC North right now? And the Bengals are obviously... Well, it is exactly what we said before the year. Everybody's better, and we don't know exactly what to make sure of the Steelers. The Steelers have the most good players,

but we both predicted that Baltimore would be better, Cincinnati would be good, and Cleveland would be better. So it's a very... I think it's a very good division. I could make the argument. If Cleveland's the worst team in the division, it's the best division. It's certainly the most interesting.

Cleveland leads the NFL and takeaway. Except for the Bengals. We just keep winning. Yeah. I mean, I think Cleveland's third or fourth right now, because I do think at some point, Baker Mayfield, late in the year, you know, I mean, he's going to, I don't, their defenses. He'll make a mistake.

If nothing else, fatigue is just going to set in from the long season. And finally, it is the middle of the NFL season. but we can slip in some NBA breaking news. You can always count on the Sons for that. The Phoenix Sons have fired their general manager, Ryan McDonough, today. It will be replaced in the interim by a duo of current Sons executives. Of course, it is nine days before the regular season opener. So the timing is a bit odd, considering they had an entire off season to figure this out.

That's weird. But they don't have a starting point guard, which you kind of need in a basketball game for a long basketball season. And they've fired around a little, over 30 coaches in the past three years. Who did they draft? They drafted an interesting play. DeAndre Aten. Yeah, from Arizona.

So they have Jackson from Kansas last year. DeAndre Aon. They re-signed Devin Booker. So they got three people on the road. And they signed Trevor Aries in the offseason. Yeah, I think it's a pretty interesting team. They just don't have a point card. Or general manager.

They haven't made the playoffs since 2010. So after a while, kind of just hold up that mirror. Yeah. Second more drought in the NBA. Yeah. Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Hurd-Ly News. Okay, coming up next, it might be the most baffling Stantonola football and best for last. And I will be delivering. We're 3 and O on our suitcase bets. Lock it in, baby. I am going to have, I've done this three weeks in a row where I've made my bet of the week in the NFL on Monday, and I'll carry it over to Blazing Five. But I get the number.

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We got a lot of stuff before the end of the show. Michael, Vic, Trent Dilfer, Greg Jennings, Tony Gonzalez, all stopped by. Oh, crazy. By the way, congrats to the University of Texas that beat Oklahoma this weekend. It was a crazy game. I didn't think it would happen. I thought Texas, I said this.

When a great coach takes over a program, I don't expect you to win the first year. And I don't even demand you win the second year. I got to see halfway through the second year that you got your act together. I can see change. So with Texas, I was like, they're not ready to beat Oklahoma. But I think the game should be, you know, 10 points competitive. They beat them. They dominated much of the game.

It was a crazy finish. Gus Johnson, Joel Clout, were amazing. And with that, that leads me into our best for last. After almost three hours, Colin apparently hasn't gotten to the point yet. Quit holding out on us, cowherd. It's the best for last. Well, every state is famous for producing something. Iowa is famous for, let's say, corn.

And Iowa is, it produces the most corn in the United States. Idaho is famous for potatoes, right? Love potatoes. Okay, so do I. Idaho produces the most potatoes in the United States. Wisconsin is well known for what? Cheese. Cheese.

Wisconsin produces the most cheese in the United States. Generally, if you have a brand, you are the leader in the country in that brand. Idaho with potatoes, Iowa with corn, with consul with cheese. Well, we assume that's the way it works, but it doesn't. work that way with Texas. Now, it is true that Texas produces the most top college football players. In the last five years, Texas has produced the most college football recruits at almost 14%. In fact, you know, you think Alabama's great. They've only produced a quarter as many recruits. So Texas leads the nation in producing the most great high school football players.

And in fact, 14 current NFL quarterbacks, nine starters played high school football in Texas. Patrick Mahomes, Drew Breeze, Andrew Luck, Derek Carr, Matt Stafford, Baker Mayfield, Andy Dalton, Nick Foles, Case Keenham, Ryan Tannahill, RG3, 3, Colt McCoy, Chase Daniel, Josh McCown. By the way, Drew Breeze did, you know, I mean, these guys are like stars, right? But Texas is nowhere, unlike Wisconsin and cheese, in Idaho and potatoes, and Iowa and corn, Texas is nowhere near the best in football. since 2018 years ago, this is who has won national championships in college football. The state of Florida four, Bama 6, tiny Oklahoma won, Louisiana 2, state of Ohio, two, California.

What? Even in the NFL, the Texans and Cowboys, haven't won a Super Bowl since 1995. Now, the good news is, the good news for Texas, good young players are more than ever staying in the state of Texas. Last year, of their nine best high school players, eight stayed in Texas. The bad news is, if you want to be the state known for football players producing it,

you know, like Idaho and potatoes and Iowa and corn and Wisconsin and cheese, you actually need to win football games and win championships, and Texas is not doing that. But congrats to the Longhorns, because it was an amazing win, and it was great for college football. and they're a big regal university, and it was a wild, wild win. Great watch.

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but the Supreme Court now allows for sports gambling in America. We're way behind Europe. We got a new show called Lock It In. So I bet $1,000 on a Cleveland Browns game three weeks ago. Baker Mayfield came in late, won it for me. So I was like, Baker, Baker, Baker, Touchdown Maker, Baker, Baker, Maker. I made $1,000. And I thought, well, I'm going to bet Baker the following week, so I rolled it over to $2,000.

But I bet against Baker, and he did lose, so I had $2,000. And this week, I said, I don't like the Baker bets. I'm going to bet on Sam Darnel Jets to beat Denver. So I went with what I called Darnel Dollars. So I have $4,000. I'm going to lock it in. This is going to be one of my blazing five picks. My bet of the week this week, I'm betting against Sam Darnold.

The Indianapolis Colts are getting two and a half points at the Jets. I'm taking the Indianapolis Colts. First of all, the Colts got beat up on a standalone game on National TV on Thursday. everybody's down in the Colts. Everybody's down in the Colts. Don't be. Lucks having a great year. They're going to be healthier.

Remember, they played on Thursday. So they have extra preparation time for the Jets. They will be healthier. Their pass rush is one of the top five or six in the NFL. So I get what I believe is a superior team with extra time, significantly better quarterback, equal defense, and having been humiliated and beat up on national TV, I get them against the Jets team, which is Sam Darnold,

which, by the way, has a battle line, despite the fact they ran the football pretty well this weekend. Not much of a running game. Robbie Anderson's a good deep threat, but no tight ends. I'm getting the better team, off an ugly loss, superior quarterback. I would say potentially superior coach. I'm not sure there. But an offensive-minded coach in 2018.

and I'm getting two and a half points. Donald dollars, Sammy. Here we go. Indianapolis Colts. Lock it in. Plus two and a half is my bet of the week. When do I get to intervene? Now, if I win this week,

$4,000, I double it. I'll have $8,000. I'm going to, if I win, I'm not going to count my dollars before they're earned. But if I get to $8,000, there is a chance I will just stop, take the money, and feed my children. A chance. Well, you made that mistake with McGregor this weekend.

Can I, can I, can I, you and I had a big disagreement on the show. Yeah. You think that McGregor, Kabid thing was utter chaos and disarray. It was utter chaos. I think it plays right into their brand as the crazy sport that's dangerous and you never know what you're going to get. I think it makes me want to watch UFC more. If it all happened in the octagon, gone. That's fine.

But you can't involve spectators and people who are outside of the... It's mayhem. Sometimes I do want to punch somebody in the forehead on Twitter. I got to be honest with it. Sure, of course. But you don't. And if you were a sanctioned fighter, you literally couldn't

because that's the point. You can't just fight people. I know this is crazy. I know this is not appropriate, but Khabibu's going after McGregor's camp because McGregor ripped his family, his religion, his God, his dog, his parents. I'm in no way condoning that you... I'm not condoning it either.

That you speak that way to any person. I hope to know... You don't think that NBA players have people call them outside of their name on the sidelines. You don't think people yell things at them at football players. You can't climb in the stands after people. I'm not saying this is good, but I'm saying it this sport in America didn't exist in the 80s, and they have flourished being counterculture, being... They're out there.

I love UFC. I'm not get off my lawn guy. All I'm saying is you can't have people in the stands in danger. At one point in another, you got to just draw the line. Are you comparing this? Because I think the NBA, the brawl in the palace was... Malice in the palace. That was more about...

Because players went way up into the stands. This, I didn't... I felt this was Khabi against McGregor and his people. It wasn't about the fans. No, it was. But yeah, okay, but that's where the fans are. They're outside. Of course it was between...

He wasn't going out. out there to fight a fan. He was going out there to fight McGregor's people. He was crazy. Look at these crazy. Whitlock and Wiley around the corner. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind.

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