The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Eagles, Packers, Urban Meyer, and the Lakers

Episode Date: December 4, 2018

Colin discusses why he believes the Philadelphia Eagles are done this season, why Aaron Rodgers should not pick the next coach for the Green Bay Packers, his thoughts on Urban Meyer retiring, and Kobe Bryant's comments about the Los Angeles Lakers & the Golden State Warriors. Guests include Andrew Whitworth, Tony Gonzalez, and Deontay Wilder. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Joy Taylor is joining me in a Tuesday one hour from now. The Herd hierarchy, top 10 teams in the NFL. And we are post- Thanksgiving now, so they're starting to stack up. The good, the really good, the sort of good, the not-so-good. Joy, how are you this morning? I'm great. Good morning. We have a lot of different things happening, coaching stuff. I'll get to that throughout the course of the day, throughout the course of the next 30 minutes.

Speaking of coaching, Aaron Rogers needs a new coach. And according to Charles Robinson Yahoo Sports, a guy I trust, a handful of NFL assistants have indicated interest in joining Josh McDaniels and a bunch of good coaches to coach Aaron Rogers. Josh McDaniels is, of course, Tom Brady's, offensive coordinator, the best one he's ever had. And I'm saying this morning, I'm not so sure if I'm Aaron Rogers privately.

I love that. First of all, if Green Bay wins big with Josh McDaniels, Josh McDaniels is going to get a lot of credit. Number two, if Green Bay doesn't win big with Josh McDaniels, He won with Tom. I mean, Tommy he won with him. Tommy didn't have great players everywhere. Tommy didn't have a pass rush.

Tommy would rebuild offensive line. Tommy didn't have star wide receivers. Josh McDaniels comes with a lot of trophies accumulated with Aaron Rogers' nemesis, arch rival. Now remember, Tom Brady admits, has gone on record admitting Aaron has more talent than I do. He said it. He said, boy, in this system in New England, he'd have 7,000 yards a year. Boy, if Aaron Rogers had the system I had, well, who created the system?

Josh McDaniels. So if Tom is admitting that guy's more talented than me and that guy doesn't win with Josh McDaniels, then what does it tell you? Aaron's not very coachable. Aaron's hard to get along with. Remember this. Josh McDaniels also is the highest paid coordinator. What does money do to men?

He also has multiple Super Bowl trophies. What is accomplishments? What do those do for men? As I've told you, people that can be difficult are more difficult. Men with money, trophies in power. Josh McDaniels has all three. And by the way, Josh McDaniels ticked off Jay Cutler before he even got to Denver. Josh McDaniels has a strong point of view.

he did early, it's even stronger now. So he'll go right back at Aaron Rogers and be Belichick snarky. We've seen he and Tom Brady get into shouting matches. You don't think he's going to do that with Aaron Rogers? He's done it with Tom Brady. Tom Brady, eight trips, five rings. So this will be very, now this story is great for the NFL. It's a talking point.

And it's great for me. We can track it. That worked with Tom. didn't that work with Aaron. But just ask yourself here. There's a story out today. Jeff Saturday, a former Green Bay teammate of Aaron Rogers, says that when Aaron would go in the huddle and the play would be called from Mike McCarthy,

Aaron Rogers would roll his eyes at Mike McCarthy's play call. Basically dog him in front of players. How do you think Josh McDaniels going to sit with that, the eye rolling? Because McDaniels will roll them right back. Hey, pretty boy. How many Super Bowl trips? I've been there like five times. You finish third in your division.

I win mine every year. So don't kid yourself. They're going to be in film rooms. And if the great ad liver, passive aggressive Aaron Rogers, rolls an eye, does what he wants to do. Josh McDaniels can go, well, that worked with Tom. I mean, that play worked with Tom. I mean, that thing worked with Tom, with Josh Gordon, Philip Dorset, an old gronk, and running backs.

Nobody watched play in college. There we go. Josh McDaniels, staff interested in Green Bay. Listen, Josh McDaniels was interested in Indianapolis. Why? Andrew Luck. Josh McDaniels is not going to go to one of these teams with Blake Bortles. Josh McDaniels, Tom Brady's guys, only leaving Tommy for like a legend.

That's why he wanted the Colts job for a while. Andrew Luck. I mean, if you couldn't have Tom Brady, who would you want it quarterback for the next five years? Not Breezy, he won't be around, not Benny won't be around, not Cam too inconsistent. Who would you want? Seems to me Aaron Rogers, top of the list. McDaniels is not going to fail for the second time his head coach. He's going to make sure, unlike Denver, wherever he goes, they've got the quarterback set.

McDaniels went to Denver and Denver didn't have the quarterback situation settled. He's not doing that again. He's going to a place where he's got a four-year content. contract for a star quarterback. That's where he's going. Sounds like Green Bay to me. All right, let me shift gears to this. Speaking of coaching, how valuable it is.

Philadelphia led Washington 14 to 3 at half and led heading into the fourth 14 to 3. Philadelphia won 2813 last night. Their season's over. I mean, it's not officially over, but Philadelphia's season is over. How do I know that? Because they had 28 to 10 first down advantage, double the year. yards, averaged almost twice as much per pass, had the ball double the time of possession, and were three for five in the red zone, and struggled for 75% of that game to put away

Mark Sanchez in the Washington Redskins. It's over. What do they do well? What does Philadelphia do well? Not much. First two-game winning streak of the year. Here's what happened. And this is why coaching matters.

In the NBA, LeBron is a semi-coach. In Major League Baseball, the general manager is a semi-coach. In the NFL, the coach is the coach. And Philadelphia lost Frank Wright, Indianapolis, and John D. Filippo to Minnesota, and they've never replaced him. They've never replaced him. Doug Peterson wrote a book after winning the Super Bowl. How to win a Super Bowl.

I hope Chapter 1 was, Hire a Rural. good offensive coordinator and Chapter 2 was and then have a really good assistant under the offensive coordinator and pray they don't leave because they left and they're not the same team. And by the way, it's not about lack of players. Carson Wentz is still there. Zach Ertz is arguably the second best tied in in football. Alshon Jeffrey, Nelson Aguilar, Golden Tate. That's a way above average, way above average receiving core. Lane Johnson's still playing. Jason Kelsey still playing and they've scored over 30. one time. Last year over 12 times. So, you know, here's a prime example. Their entire season comes

down to the game against Dallas on Sunday at Dallas, seasons over. If you're struggling with Washington last night at home, season's over. But this is all you need to know about coaching. Here was the fourth down play in the Super Bowl last year when you had Doug Peterson and those two great offensive coaches. It was the Philly Special. All right. That's pretty amazing. Here was the fourth down last night out of a timeout against lousy Washington. Let's show last night. Yeah, that right there stuffed, lost a yard. So it's over for Philadelphia.

They don't know it's over. I think they probably sort of kind of feel it's over, but it's over. If you're struggling at home against Mark Sanchez, who has been in the nation's capital for what, six days, maybe eight, it is over. And this is, this is a cautionary tale for all you big talky, talky, talky sports fans when your team wins a Super Bowl. What happens? You write books. You lose really good coordinators. You don't work as hard in the offseason.

And that, once again, is the most remarkable thing about New England. 18 years without a hiccup. The Philadelphia Eagles couldn't go six months without screwing it up. Lost assistants, wrote a book, big parade, let's do politics, let's wear silly dog masks. They struggle to beat Washington. You kind of have to have the parade. I don't know. If I was a, I would not hold a parade.

By the way, the Patriots have parades. Under protest every year. Every Patriot protest. Every Patriot parade is under protest. By Belichick. It's supposed to be four hours. It goes down to an hour. But, I mean, you watched it last night.

Like, this is, it's over. Like, they have to go to Dallas next week. They're not going to win that football game. But don't tell me it's all the players. Your offense has more talent than 90. May not have Rams talent. May not have Chiefs talent. Maybe not have Chargers talent.

But that offense has all sorts of dudes. All sorts of dudes. All right, we got a lot of stories today. We're breaking a lot of stories. Urban Myers out at Ohio State, as we told you two weeks ago, what happened. Kobe Bryant, does Kobe Bryant know something about the Lakers, LeBron, maybe a member of the Warriors coming to Los Angeles, all that coming up next. Welcome back. Story, we broke it two weeks ago. We like to call it on this show, Joy, Big J. Journalism, two weeks ago, we broke the story that Urban

Meyer would retire either after the Big Ten championship game or after the Rose Bowl if they won the Big Ten championship game. It was announced this morning that Urban Meyer has officially retired from Ohio State. He'll coach the Rose Bowl where I think Ohio State will probably go on to beat Washington in a very, very good Rose Bowl game. First of all, I think he's the second best college football coach of all time to Nick Saban. I include Mac Brown, Pete Carroll, Bear Bryant, I include all of them. I think he's the second best head coach in the history of college football. I think Nick Saban over the last three to four years has separated from everybody, and it's not really close, and Nick's got several other national titles coming his way.

Urban went four for four. He won it bowling green immediately. He turned around Utah immediately. He turned around Florida immediately. He turned around Ohio State immediately. He has won over 90% of his big 10 games. Just because you can't beat Alabama and you struggle with Clemson, that's no big mark on your life.

He is an all-time great coach. I told you two weeks ago he was retiring. It is a real retirement. None of my sources tell me he's going to the NFL. He has been offered multiple NFL jobs through the years. He could have both the Brown's job and the Bengals job if he wanted it. My sources tell me that at this time, that's not what he's interested in. This is a real retirement.

Now, I am also told in one year after he gets it together, he may consider one college job that could be open in a year. There's a top five, top 10 job in college football that could come open in one year. I'm not going to give it away. And he's always been a little bit interested in that job. But I'm told it's a real retirement. He'll do some TV and hang out. He's got a house down in Naples, Florida.

The two winners here, number one is Michigan and Jim Harbaugh. Urban Meyer was 7 and 0 against Michigan. Urban has always been an early adapter offensively. Jim Harbaugh is a great coach, but is not an early adapter offensively. He is old school. 7-0 against Michigan. Ryan Days, the new coach at Ohio State. He ain't Urban Meyer.

The second winner is the next program that gets him. If there's a next program that gets him. I think it's 50-50 now. I do not hear NFL. I do not hear this year he's coaching anybody else. It's very possible he retires and does a TV gig. consults and messes around, play some golf down in Florida. That's a real thing.

He's made a lot of money. So that's where we are today on that story. He's the second all-time best college football coach I've ever seen. Four-for-four-four in turnarounds, and he turned them all around immediately. The loser in this is the Big Ten. Pack 12 has never been the same since Pete Carroll left. It's never been the same conference. It's never been the same conference.

And the Big Ten will not be as good if Jim Harbaugh doesn't have an arch rival as good as Urban Meyer. Here's another story. Kobe Bryant is very connected to the Lakers. Not only because Kobe Bryant's a former Laker, but the current person running the Los Angeles Lakers is named Rob Polinka. He's the guy that looks like Rob Lowe. He was an agent.

He just happened to be Kobe's agent. They're boys. They roll. They're tight. Kobe Bryant came out yesterday talking about the Lakers. and he said, Laker Nation will be, quote, laughing at Warrior fans soon enough. Hmm, that is interesting.

Because we don't think they're going to beat the warrior soon, but what would make the Laker fans laugh at the warrior fans? Maybe taking one of your star players. I would like to say this, though. LeBron was quoted saying about LeBron James. Listen, the offense was struggling. Braun got the ball, took control, decided to start playing point, doing everything. It's a recipe to keep your head above water.

They'll figure it out. We'll be champions before you know it. And we'll be laughing at warrior fans who say, these guys came out of nowhere. I want to say this, though, to all the LeBron Laker haters. They are 14 and 9. They are favored Wednesday in L.A. to beat the struggling spurs. They'll be 15 and 9. There is no clear number two seat in the West.

And here's what the Lakers aren't dysfunctional. Oklahoma City's got some. Utah's got some. The Warriors have some. Houston had some. New Orleans has some. Minnesota's had some. The Lakers are not dysfunctional.

They're about to go 15 to 9, defensively top 7 in the league in opposing field goal percentage. The locker room is outstanding, and they've won 10 of 13, so they have momentum. They do have issues. Their offensive identity is a little muddy because what do you do with Lanzo and Rondo if LeBron needs the ball, which LeBron does for the Lakers to be at their best? And the second thing is, man, they could really use one great shooter. I don't know, Bradley Beale, they're not interested.

But you tell me right now in the NBA, who is absolutely in a seven-game series, absolutely definitively better than the Lakers. I'll give you Golden State, and now I'll give you the Sixers. I don't buy We, the North. I'll give you the Warriors, and now with Embed, Butler, and Simmons, I'll give you the Sixers. Seven game series, LeBron, would you bet your life on the baby dinosaurs in Canada or LeBron? They're in a good spot. Joy Taylor with the news.

No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. I'm going to have to agree with you if they go against LeBron. I'm just saying, I think that they're making the finals, that's all. Baby dinosaurs, what I'm talking about. All right. So it's Tuesday.

That means that Jerry Jones appeared on his weekly radio appearance to talk all things, Dallas Cowboys. And he gave us some pretty important information about Dallas's defense. So Sean Lee is close to returning. Yeah. And although he's been the best linebacker on the team, for the better part of this decade. The Cowboys have a very special talent at front of the show. Late in Van derrash.

So would Sean Lee really automatically jump right back in and take his spot back from Vandrush? Well, Jerry's answer is yes, he needs to be in the rotation. But certainly with a player of his stature has earned it. I said the other day that Sean has had much to do with how Vandrash has evolved as his coaches have. He's an outstanding individual to have in the room with those linebackers and when you get him in the game. he's that much more of a quarterback on the field. So it creates a wonderful situation for us.

It's a bit reminiscent of Romo and Dak. I will say this, though, if Sean Lee is healthy, let's just say it right now. The Cowboys have the best lineback in court and football. With Jalen Smith, Leighton Van Derrish and Sean Lee, you cannot argue that. You can argue a lot of things about the Cowboys. That is the best linebacking core in football if Sean Lee returns healthy.

That's three pro-bowl-level guys. Yeah, but you think you should get the job back from Van Gogh. I think Layton Van deresh is better playing 45 plays than 55 having a linebacker rest occasionally. I got no problem with Layton Van deresh having fresh legs in the fourth quarter. No problem with that. Interesting. That's not where I thought you would go on that. I mean, just listen, before you push us old guys out to pasture, we still got some game in us.

You do. You surprise me with this one because I completely disagree. Layton Van derrash leads the league in solo tackles. the tackles. Like they're rolling right now. I don't like the idea of changing it to Sean Lee, who's been completely unreliable physically. I'm just saying, let's not have

Sean Lee moping on the sidelines if you have to bring him in on a big series or big day? I'm not saying don't work him back in a little bit, but I'm saying you just give the spot back to Sean Lee the way the late at Banderch is playing. Sean will only be in two plays anyway. All right, so the elephant in the room for the Packers continues to be the relationship between Aaron Rogers

and the next head coach. And yesterday, Aaron met with reporters, and he was asked how much input he will have on that decision. Those are decisions that will happen down the line. And right now I'm just focused on these next four games and the direction we're going with Joe. You know, I'm obviously an older player in the league. I still have a number of years on my contract. I'd love to still play to 40.

And, you know, I think there's an interest on who the next guy would be. but, you know, Mark and Brian and I have always had, you know, good lines of communication. Right. Whoever that is, it's basically an implication that they're going to make the decision and that Aaron's not going to, you know, be in the room for the interview. That part I can believe. But, I mean, what are you talking about here? Like, whoever it is is going to have to sit across from Aaron Rogers

and convince him that he's the guy. Well, I don't think there is a perfect coach for Aaron Rogers. And I don't think there's a perfect coach on the market. So any relationship that is formed is going to take work. And Aaron has struggled in some relationships. So I don't think it's going to be easy. So we'll see how it works. There's all sorts of stories out today about eye rolling and Aaron was rough on McCarthy.

And so... Well, I mean, I think their relationship just ran its course. Like, it's not a knock on McCarthy or Aaron Rogers in my eyes. Like, Aaron Rogers is obviously not the easiest guy to work with. But he's Aaron Rogers. Like you're trying to win games. You need a talent and he's one of the, if not the most talented quarterback in the league. So seven or eight years we work together and then you do a headline,

herd line story. And I'm like this, eye rolling. I'm going to ask if we need medical up here. And then afterwards I'm going to ask you why you're rolling your eyes and I'm talking. And if you don't have a good response, then maybe it's time for us to go our separate ways. I'll do a passive aggressive. Oh, nothing. It's great.

Really, I love that story on croquet. It was my favorite. Okay. Stories now. All right. Finally, Colin, where Colin was right, Cliff Kingsbury is headed to USC. Yeah. You gave a little soft broke on this a couple weeks ago. I did a small J journalism a couple days ago on this. But I broke it on Twitter this morning. Cliff Kingsbury is going to USC, a couple different sources.

I am told he will be the offensive coordinator. He'd like to be the assistant head coach. and I'm also told that if Cliff stays for one year or two, he is not tied to it. He can leave if he wants if he gets a great NFL job or a head coaching job. The buyout's not brutal. So he wants to live in Los Angeles. In his spare time, he's going to hang out with the Rams, maybe and learn a little off Sean McVeigh.

But he will make USC offensively a better football program. And who knows, at that place, it can be political. There can be turmoil. If he has a great year, maybe he'll be more than the coordinator there. Who knows? Well, there's a lot of changes that could happen there, like he just said. I think this is a good move for him. Obviously, they could use some help on the offense.

Oh, no, he'll make them better offensively, no question. And this leaves lots of doors open for him. So it's a good get by USC. And from all accounts, it's a good move for him. Good stuff. Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Hurd-Lie News. Decade and a half in the NFL, one of the elite corners, a multiple-time pro bowler. That's being in DeAngelo Hall, FS1 NFL analyst on the heels of Washington being awful last night. But then again, they're all beat up. They're always beat up, by the way. I've never seen a team more injury riddled. Let me start with the Aaron Rogers stuff. The Josh McDaniels story is gaining steam.

Josh McDaniels, obviously, was offered the Colts job, and he's not going to leave Brady for anything other than a Rodgers. Rogers, Locke, Deshawn Watson. He's not going to an average job. He went, Josh McDaniels went to Denver without the quarterback situation, right? And he got whacked. So he figured out real soon. Even Belichick got fired in Cleveland, when he didn't have the quarterback situation right?

Do you think Josh McDaniels would work with Aaron Rogers? Anyone would work with Aaron Rogers if Aaron Rogers kind of toned it down just a little bit? Aaron's hard to coach, it seems. seems he's hard to coach. And a lot of superstars are hard to coach because they're used to doing things their way. And so they don't necessarily take constructive criticism that well. And Aaron, you heard him say, you know, I'm a guy who's been in this league a long time. I think he feels as though sometimes he knows what to do even more so than that

offensive coordinator or that coach. And so, you know, I think it takes a guy who is, is, Aaron views as his equal more so. than his boss, than a guy who's telling him what to call, as a guy who would bring him in and say, hey, Aaron, do you like this? Who would let him kind of be a part of the install or the game planning from week to week? I think it takes that kind of coach, and I just don't know if McDaniels is that kind of guy. Yeah, Josh also has got a strong point of view. Yes.

He'd fire it back at you. When you talk about, I've never been a big fan of a player, be it, LeBron, James, Steph Curry, hiring a coach. Now, I do think a quarterback, I'd want their opinion on corners they've faced. Like this guy is a corner that I struggled with. Linebackers, receivers, tight ends, backs. Should Aaron, personnel's different. My bosses have asked me before, do you like this on-air person?

They don't ask me about contracts. Like, I don't know if a player, even Aaron Rogers, should be getting big input on a coach. should he? You would like to say no, but because this situation is so unique, obviously I think we all know Aaron got Mike fired. And so if you got a guy fired, you want to make sure the next guy is a guy that gets along with him

and that can coexist together and work together to ultimately put a great product together on the field. And I just, if you don't have Aaron's input, you have the potential to have the same problem. And that to me is a problem of an uninspired Aaron Rogers and just a team that just doesn't look quite like themselves. And that's not what Green Bay wants. And so I think they would at some point have Aaron Rodgers.

He might not be directly sitting in there on the interview. But you best believe if a head coach is on that radar when they go to dinner, Aaron's going to be at dinner and he's going to be talking and they're going to figure out, hey, does this work? Is the chemistry here with these guys? can they get along. I think you have to do that. If you don't, you do yourself a disservice.

Here's my question. The Packers don't have an owner. Yeah. Okay, so remember when Brady and Belichick had their Rifty Angela? Mm-hmm. Who settled it? Bob Kraft. Yes, sir.

Okay. Uh-huh. When Jason Garrett and Des Bryant and Dak had an issue, who settled it, Jerry Jones. Yep, yeah. Packers have no owner. Nope. So if you have this, here's a weird thing. Fav and Rogers are the only two quarterbacks in my lifetime who've never had a boss.

Let's be honest. It's a quarterback league, not a coach league. Coaches are important. But if you have Aaron or Brett Favre and there's a problem, you're getting rid of the coach, not Brett Favrein' Aaron Rogers. No owner in Green Bay? It sounds weird to me, but it's like, I think it's an issue. Who's ultimately Aaron? Because Tom Brady can, when all the rings in the world,

but even he knows, Bob Kraft could have him on the street tomorrow. I almost wonder, is Green Bay almost they hand the franchise to Favre? They've handed the franchise to Aaron. Do they have too much power? I don't know if they have too much power, but it is a unique situation. And it's a situation that you can't deny or hide it because you're right. And every other situation is always one other person who ultimately, has to final say so.

Who's richer always than the quarterback? The coach isn't the GM, the owner, and money means a lot to guys. It does. It does. In the National Football League, money matters. It's not necessarily how good a player you are. It's how much you make because that then determines how you're perceived to be. And perception is reality.

It doesn't matter if this guy can't cover grass. If this guy's making $15 million, he's respected. He's the best corner. Yeah, yeah. Or he's perceived to be the best corner. corner. Guys are going to go away from them. Same thing at quarterback. When you're making $30-some million a year, you're

going to have a little bit of say-so in what happens in that building, obviously. Yeah, and so Green Bay does not have an owner. By the way, I was saying this last night, to start the show today, Philadelphia struggled to put away a Washington team on their third

quarterback. Philadelphia still got Wence and Ertz and Aguilar and Kelsey and Lane Johnson and Alshon Jeffrey. They still got all golden Tate now. That's an average football team. Am I wrong on that? Philadelphia is an average football team six months after winning the Super Bowl.

You're not wrong. And even watching Philadelphia win the Super Bowl, having played against them, I got family members who are Eagles fans. And from the jump, I never believed in them. Like, I never thought they were that good. And so to watch them going that miracle run, it was so impressive. But, I mean, the Philadelphia Eagle team you see now, even though, you know, they're struggling in certain areas.

To me, that's always who they've been. They just weren't that great. Like, let's be real. Like those giant teams that won Super Bowls and went on those miracle runs. The next year, yeah, they had somewhat of what people said was a Super Bowl letdown. But to me, that team never was the 14 and 2 team

that was the number one seed heading into the playoffs. Philadelphia was playing great with Carson Wentz before he got injured. After he got hurt, he kind of regressed a little. bit. He still hasn't quite looked like the guy that we all thought he would be coming off last year. You never bought into Philly. I never bought into it. Maybe because I saw them so much being, being in the same division with them year after year, I saw them get better as a team. And I thought the Golden Tate deal wouldn't help kind of propel those guys to play a little harder and fight a little more and more weapons. And so I didn't quite expect to see what happened, which was them

really not play great football through the course of the season. The season isn't over yet, but I just think I don't see them being able to catch the Dallas Cowboys. By the way, that's interesting because there was a lightning in the bottle thing last year. Let's be honest, the Rams were hot, but they had a rookie quarterback. Atlanta had to go to Philadelphia, dome team late. The Vikings won on a miracle over the Saints, so emotionally peaked right before they played them.

And then they got into a game with New England, and New England didn't didn't play Malcolm Butler. So that was a weird situation. I'm not saying they were lucky. I'm saying there are times when there's lightning in a bottle. Yeah. And for Philadelphia, a lot of stuff lined up and they won, but they have regressed back to a solid football team.

Yeah, who people thought they were, a solid football team who, if things go great for them, they have a chance to win every game. I mean, that's what's crazy about the NFL. It's so much parity. That's why people love the National Football League over a lot of other major leagues, because you feel like any given Sunday you have a chance to win that game. It's just about being consistent. And consistently, it is those teams like New England and really the Steelers who long term over the last 10, 12 years have been good.

Even they can get knocked off by Nick Fould. Exactly. I mean, no, I mean, listen, college football, we know who's going to win. NBA, we know who's going to win. In baseball, who's got the payroll. In the NFL week to week, nine of the games are field goal. penalty or pick? Who makes the least amount of mistakes.

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Code heard 20% savings. Untucket.com code H-E-R-D. So Andrew Whitworth of the L.A. Rams, maybe the best left tackle with Tyron Smith of the Cowboys. He'll be joining us in about 40 minutes. LA Rams left tackle. Great dude. Tony Gonzalez, Deontay Wilder, the heavyweight champion of the world who was in the fight of his life this weekend. And he'll be joining us last hour as well.

So, you know, over the course of my career, all right, you accumulate sources. My phone has got four GMs in the NFL, about seven scound. scouting directors and annoying people. Anyway, the point is, Joy does the same thing. We have sources. And, you know, for years and years, you accumulate sources. You ask for phone numbers. Can I trust you on this?

I won't. I don't out my sources. We broke the Cliff Kingsbury story this morning from two sources. We were on the Urban Meyer thing two weeks ago on three of my sources. I don't unveil them. But there are exceptions. If my source unveils himself and says, yeah, let me tell you a story, and that's the story I heard, then I have no problem with it.

Well, I have three different sources over the years. I'm viewed as very critical to Aaron Rogers. And I've always said he's great, but he's hard to coach, and he's hard to get along with, and he's passive aggressive, and he can be condescending, and he's sort of arrogant and kind of aloof, but he is great. One of my sources, I can now unveil it because he unveiled himself was Jeff Saturday, who played with Peyton Manning forever, and then played Green Bay for a year. And Jeff Saturday had told me like five years ago.

I had been poking, poking, poking, off the air asking him, you know, the Aaron Rogers McCarthy thing, I watched their body language, I kept saying, I don't like their body language, it's lousy. And he said to me, among three other people, so I've got like three or four sources that told me, but Jeff yesterday came out and acknowledged what he told me, there was a lot of eye rolling in the huddle,

and that McCarthy and Rogers, it was a little frosty about four years ago. So Jeff came out yesterday and acknowledged what he has always known, about Aaron and McCarthy. You'd be in the huddle, and Mike McCarthy would make a play call, and you could see Aaron's frustration, right, whether it would be the eye roll or the, oh, I'm going to go run this play, but he would run it, right?

Because he was still fairly new in the game when I was there. And so, but as this thing has strung out, the same play calls, the same frustration. The problem is, is when you replace it with the pieces and parts that have been replaced, and there's guys in the huddle that are young, they take that energy, right? They begin to absorb what that looks like. So then everybody begins to question the calls, question what's going to happen.

And then it turns into the situation you have right now. So Jeff basically, and by the way, Jeff liked him. It was the end of his career. But here's what's interesting. Jeff Saturday played with Peyton Manning for 13 years. I've never heard the eye roll story with Peyton Manning. By the way, Jim Caldwell, who is not considered, you know, one of the top-tier offensive coordinators, was calling a lot of plays for Peyton Manning.

Peyton wasn't rolling his eyes. One rolling his eyes with Jim Collinwell. I've never heard about Breeze, Brady. And by the way, Tom is not passive aggressive. Tom, once or twice a year will bark on television at his OC.

So I go back to this thing. I never hear these stories about Montana, Brady, Bree. I don't hear them. I don't hear these stories. Eye rolling. I don't hear these stories. Family. parents, brothers, coaches, players.

So when I come out with a story five years ago, everybody's like, hot take. This is where the stories come from. This is not an easy guy to coach. He's talented. I'm not denying the talent, but Jeff Saturday, five years ago, saw the contempt quarterback to coach. And, you know, the other thing I think you have to be careful about is that, you know, people always say, well, hey,

Greg Jennings is bitter. This guy, what would Jeff Saturday got cut by the Colts? He'd be better at anybody. He'd be bitter at the Colts that didn't let him play one more year and get more of his pension. He wouldn't be better with Green Bay. He'd be better with the Colts. And it should be noted that Aaron Rogers was doing this eye-rolling when Green Bay was good.

These were the good times. This is not when they were struggling. They were winning 10, 12. In fact, I think one of these years, they were 15 and 1. These were the good times. So I go back to it. I don't hear these. I do not hear these stories from anybody else.

I don't hear them. I hear them from Jemichael Finley, Jeff Saturday, Greg Jennings. Not saying Aaron's, you know, devil incarnate. Not saying that. I'm just saying the stories always come from this situation. It's always about the Packers and Aaron Ryan. Colin, you always talk about, yeah, because the stories happened. If the stories were all about Brady and everybody,

was sniffing at Brady. Brother, dad, receiver, center. I talk about Brady. You don't think I'd report these? Tom Brady's a superstar. If these stories were leaking on Brady, you don't think I'd report these. I'd just bury them. You got to be kidding me.

There's the reason I always talk about him because they're always coming from the same place. Oh, I saw this story. I want to mention this. I have not talked about Russell Westbrook in a while. There's no real reason. But I never, I never. bought into Russell Westbrook's the MVP, and I never bought into the triple double. The triple double was goosing stats, piling stats, didn't make teams better, didn't make teammates

better, didn't win games. I never bought into the triple double. I thought Westbrook was seeking the triple double. He was seeking the MVP because Durant left him. He was seeking and gooseing stats. I didn't think it helped his teammates. I didn't think it helped the thunder. The only person it helped was Westbrook, win in a name.

MVP and nobody in the world thinks he's the most valuable player in the league. He may be the most athletic. He may be the most interesting. He may be the most fun to watch. I'm not denying that. Well, well, well, well, here's an interesting stat so far for the Oklahoma City Thunder. When Russell Westbrook shoots less than 20 field goals, Joy, they are 8 and 0. when Russell Westbrook shoots over 20 shots, they are two and four.

So less stats, less shooting, less of Russell Westbrook, 8 and 0. John, that may be my most powerful Colin was right of all time. Where Colin was right? Like so right, it's obnoxious. Where Colin was very right. Yes, very right. again, the triple double was a con game. It helped Westbrook.

It helped Westbrook win a trophy. But you tell me the real MVP that year was not LeBron James. Triple double doesn't translate to wins. I've got two full seasons of data now on the triple double. Two years, two early playoff exits, and too many triple doubles. It can now be verified that when Westbrook shoots less, eight, no. When Westbrook pads, goose's stats, looks for data like that, two and four. Never bought into it, never will.

The triple double was the con. People were just looking for a reason to vote for Westbrook because Durant left him, poor Russell. Russell's issues have all been created by Russell. Heard hierarchy top 10 NFL teams and Andrew Whitworth of the Rams next. Welcome back, hour two in Los Angeles. This is the herd, wherever you may be. And however you may be listening. Live on IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio and FS1, Joy Taylor is joining us.

All sorts of coaching stuff today. Urban Meyer is retiring at Ohio State. We broke that two weeks ago. Cliff Kingsbury, My Soror. sources tell me will be USC's new offensive coordinator, potentially the head coach in a couple of years we'll see or moving on. And the other story is about Aaron Rogers, does he get say with Green Bay's new coach? Before I get to the herd hierarchy, let me say this. I don't think he should, and that's nothing against Aaron Rogers. I don't want Tom Brady picking the coach.

Number one, if you ask Aaron Rogers, who do you want to be head coach? And he gives you an answer, and then you don't hire that guy, that creates some resentment. Hey, Colin, who do you want to be your co-host? Oh, I think blank would be great. And then you hire somebody else. I'm like, well, you're just trying to toy with me? You're not going to listen to me? So number one is, if you ask his opinion and don't hire who he wants,

that gives you a situation that's kind of an emotional mess. The second thing is, Aaron Rogers would be a great guy to ask about what corners, what receivers, what tight ends. That's his strength. I've been asked before by bosses, you know, who's a good reporter? Who do you trust? When I came to FS1, I wrote a list of 10 to 12 people I thought you should hire those people. They didn't ask me about how to negotiate the Big Ten contract.

That's way above my pay grade. So I don't think that's a situation. You want to ask Aaron Rogers. Chris Carter was very funny on First Things First this morning. When he was at the Minnesota Vikings, he was a star player, and he talks about a situation where they were looking for a new coach. There are people think that Aaron should be part of them selecting the head coach. didn't do that. I think that's a critical error because I don't think he has the skill nor the

temperament to build a pick a head coach. Nor do I. When they fired Dennis Green after all the success he had, the owners came to me. Chris, who do you think he'd be the next coach? Ain't none of my business. I ain't got nothing to do it. I don't even know how to select it. I'm guessing that further validated for you where you were, that they have enough respect for me that they are at least opening this door to me. No, it let me know the Vikings didn't know what the hell they were doing. That's what it let me know. They did not know what they're doing. Guess who they hired? Mike Tice. Mike Tice. So I just don't like the idea of it. It's nothing against LeBron, but in the NBA, it is

kind of a different world where it's a star-driven league baseball. It's an interesting perspective, though. Yeah, I mean, what Chris is. Because is Aaron Rogers going to have that self-awareness that Chris had in that spot? Here's the thing. Here's another thing. I'm Aaron Rogers and you I get to pick the coach. Well, time out. Don't I have enough pressure? I'm making $33 million. Now it's out that I'm hard to coach.

I got my brother banging on me on Twitter. I got ex-player's banging on me on networks. Now I want to be the guy that's hand-selected the coach. At least if I don't have anything to say with it and the coach doesn't work, you can say, man, Green Bay doesn't know what they're doing. They can't hire the right coach. But if every time, like by the way, LeBron's been very smart. about this. LeBron's always like, I didn't hire the coach. Whether he did or not, LeBron's like,

I don't want that on me. I didn't fire that GM. I didn't hire that coach. You don't want that responsibility because then if you go south, then I'm going to blame you for that. We're already blaming Aaron for passive aggressive, can't get along with people, making so much money, the roster's got. We want to blame him for that? If I'm Aaron, I don't have, I don't want any. You know, I said this years ago, Jerry Jones, a very smart guy owns the South Cowboys. And this is very smart. This is why Jerry is a billionaire. And somebody asked Jerry, Jerry, why are you not on Twitter?

He said, I want deniability. I never want you to say, well, on Twitter, I like deniability. I have told so many people this in my life. I don't want to know. When people say, hey, did you hear about the rumor? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I don't want to know about the rumors. I'm so with you.

I don't want to know. I have been told a million times. Hey, do you hear who's going to get fired at your company? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I don't want to know. Don't tell me because I don't want to have to be an actor for the next two months. Oh, good to see you. Hey, Pally, pali, friend of mine. How you doing? I don't want anything to do with that. You don't want to know everything. You don't want ultimate power. Jeff Bezos has ultimate power. He can handle it. I can't. I don't want ultimate power. Seriously, I'm just struggling to keep my family from hating me. I can't. I'm just trying to do a radio show and go. go home and not have my wife throw stuff at me. I don't need any more power in my life. All right, here we go. By the way, the Niners moved off Montana.

The Colts moved off Peyton Manning. The dolphins moved off Marino. You can't give the franchise to a quarterback. This is what I say, the problem in Green Bay. They don't have an owner. There is no superior to Brett Farve and Aaron Rogers. This is why the quarterbacks in Green Bay feel like they own the franchise. Because they're ultimately the richest guy in the room, the richest guy in the city.

Nobody's richer in that city than Aaron Rogers. I mean, Sean McVeigh makes $7 million a year. If he lives in Beverly Hills, he's the poorest guy in his block. Stan Cronky owns like 18 teams, 13 arenas. When you have an owner among men, that's the ultimate alpha. He's the owner. Keeps you in line. Farvin Rogers don't have an owner.

Richest guys in the town. I mean, it's a, you give ultimate power is a dangerous thing to have. All right, here we go. top 10 teams in the NFL, the herd hierarchy. Heard hierarchy. Time is now. Let's go. The top 10 NFL teams, according to college, number 10.

The Chicago Bears are my number 10. Now, Chase Daniel, let's not crush them because we know they're using a backup quarterback. But over the last month, their offensive numbers have come down. People are figuring out some of their sleight of hand. They lost the turnover battle against the Giants and therefore lost the game. But they are number one in takeaways in turnover differential, so that is rare. I think the Bears are a two-pronged story, their front seven defense and their head coach. I think ultimately the ceiling is low because of Mitch Trubisky at quarterback bears at 10.

Number nine. Dallas Cowboys, they're on a four-game winning streak. Again, they have to win a certain way. Low scoring, feed Zekeel Elliott to ball, keep the game close. You can't ask Dak Prescott to come back from 13 down in the fourth quarter. They are second in scoring defense. They are fourth and rushing defense. They can win a playoff game.

Do I think they can go on the road and get in a shootout with the Rams and win it? No, Cowboys at 9. Number 8. Steelers, they're a really talented number 8. They don't close out games because they get really sloppy. and now I worry about running back James Conner's health. But I will say they're first in sacks, their fourth in total offense, and they can beat anybody anywhere in this league.

What I worry about the Steelers is Joy, what I always worry about. Situationally, late in games, I don't trust them. By the way, James Connor is out for the game this Sunday, Steelers at 8. Number 7. The Seattle Seahawks are a very strong. They're kind of the opposite of the Steelers. I do trust them late because I trust Russell Wilson, who, by the way, has multiple touchdown passes in eight straight games.

The Seahawks have become opposite of the Steelers. Their ceiling offensively is lower, but they have the fewest turnovers in the league. Penalties are down, and they're averaging 150 yards rushing. That is first in the NFL. This is a great story. myself included we all kind of buried Seattle and Pete Carroll. Do not count them out. Do not count them out.

They're playing defense. No turnovers. Running the football. How do you beat a top quarterback? Don't let them have the ball. They will take the ball out of your quarterback's hand, Seahawks at 7. Number six. Houston Texans, just a nudge above Seattle because I like their pass rush.

Listen, Deshawn Watson, I said it. when he came out of college. I don't get the Trubisky love. This kid is special. He has had a hundred plus passer rating in four of his last five games. And their defense, which has always been star-studded, has held people under 20 in six of the last eight games. First time in league history, a team that starts 0 and 3 wins nine straight games, Houston Texans, at six. Number five. Well, we've been on the Chargers all year. And finally, you, primates. time standalone game, second half, got to see the Chargers. For the record, I know we're talking about MVP.

Can we at least put Philip Rivers in the discussion? Good Lord. A hundred plus passer rating in 10 of his 12 games this year. He's the only player in the NFL with multiple touchdown passes. The Chargers have the best receiving core in the league. Melvin Gordon didn't even play it running back. They have the deepest running back in the league now. Deepest running back set.

Justin Jackson, a seventh rounder. You saw him against the Steelers. Lord, he can play Chargers at number five. Number four. The Rams. They're better than the Chargers by a little bit because I trust them. They have an offensive coach late in games. It's a star-studded team.

Domic and Sue, Akeeb to leave, Marcus Peters, Todd Gurley. Aaron Donald leads the NFL in sacks. Todd Gurley leaves the NFL in touchdown. There's a lot of stars on this team. And they're going to play. most of their playoff games, if not all of them, in Los Angeles. But that's not a huge home field advantage. And I worry about star-studded teams.

When I watch this defense, I see occasional freelancing, and they're trying to hit the home run instead of being satisfied with doubles. Rams at 4. Number three. Chiefs. The Chiefs are kind of falling into a situation where they don't lose indivision. They're kind of like the Patriots. They're 20 and 2.

in the last 22 games against the AFC West. Now, the Chargers are good, but they have had the Chargers number and Phillip Rivers number for years. Here's a big stat in Vegas. Vegas loves this stat. They're averaging 7.3 yards of play. That is number one in the NFL. Vegas loves that stat. You get into that six yards of play, six and a half yards.

They're almost at seven and a half yards of play. I have the Chiefs at number three. Number two. And I only have the Patriots ahead of them because I think they could ultimately, with an easier schedule, get home field in Foxborough. Patriots of 1-8 of 9. No, they don't have a pass rush,

and they're not an over-the-top dynamic offense. I will say this, though. How do you beat the Chiefs? Take the ball out of their hands. With James White, Sony Michelle, the rookie running back, and Rex Burkhead, that is the deepest running back Troika.

They've ever had in New England. That's as good as it gets for them. They are becoming more of a ball control offense, and that's how you beat Big Ben. That's how you beat Philip Rivers, and that's how you beat Patrick Mahomes Patriots at two. Number one. I still think the Saints are the best team in the league.

Listen, they got caught by the Cowboys on a Thursday night in the road after a series of wildly crucial, wildly big games. they got caught and it was Drew Breeze's worst game ever I still think now I think they're a little more vulnerable after the cowboy game I think the Cowboys pass rush

gave them fits and I do think other coordinators looked and said you know what get Drew Breeze off his mark get some pressure bringing four or five but the Saints to me are still the best team in the national football league

one of the best guys and best players, left tackle of the L.A. Rams. Andrew Whitworth is around the corner, just a quality dude, and he's as good a left tackle. He and Tyron Smith of the Cowboys are the two best left tackles right now, my opinion, playing in the NFL, smart dude, LSU, out of the NFL, Cincinnati, and now the Rams, he's around the corner. Saturday, the MLS Cup will be lifted in front of one of the most electric crowds in all of sports is Atlanta United take on the Portland Timbers. Saturday at 7.30 Eastern,

430 Pacific on Fox or watch anywhere on the Fox Sports app. By the way, Vicks Synex nasal spray uses direct and works up to 12 hours. It's getting very cold outside. It's getting very cold. You know, I was thinking about this. We have a story. Like, listen, NFL right now is on fire. The ratings are up at CBS,

NBC, NFL, Fox, Sunday night football, Monday night football, Thursday night football. By the way, not this Thursday night. Thursday night. Don't we have the Chiefs and the Chargers or something like that? We have Chiefs Chargers. Let me tell you what an amazing story. I want you to think about this. If the Chargers, and you watched them the other night, that was about as good as second half of football as anybody in the league's played. The Chargers are loaded. They're loaded at running back. They're loaded at linebacker. They're loaded.

They probably may have the best rookie in Derwin James. Philip Rivers, they have a Hall of Fame level quarterback. If they won the Super Bowl, where would they host a parade? Nobody in L.A. cares. It's a Rams town. Secondly, it's a Raiders town. Third, it's a USC football town. Or just any other team in America because it's all transient. San Diego? San Diego's furious at him. I don't know if you could have a parade. Chargers are the only team in the league. They won a Super Bowl. Where would you have a parade? I think you'd have to have just like a big gathering. Yeah, you have a big party. Maybe like a banquet. You'd call the Marriott and say, can we have like 300 people in the Marriott? I mean, what they're doing is unbelievable. The quarterback has to drive an

hour and a half every day to go to practice. I mean, it's the craziest story, and they are loaded. I mean, you're watching that game the other night. They don't have Melvin Gordon, one of the top 20 players in the NFL, and they use two running backs, one from rural Oregon college. I never saw even when I lived there. And the other guy was a seventh rounder, and they just chewed up the Steelers. Just chewed them up. What a remarkable story that is. Here's Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the The herd line news. So the Brown Center, J.C. Tredder, spent four years in Green Bay with Mike McCarthy.

And even though a certain quarterback didn't love him, Treader thinks that McCarthy would be a great fit for another noisy quarterback we love to talk about. Baker Mayfield. Yes. Treader says he thinks McCarthy would be a good teacher for Baker. I think they'd be great. Again, he started working with Aaron when Aaron was a rookie too. And, you know, Aaron's developed into a hell of a player. So I think that relationship would be fine.

He's worked with, I see a lot of similarities between Aaron and Baker personality-wise, competitiveness. That's all the things Aaron came in with, too, when he was a young player. So I think they work well to go. Yeah. I think I agree. I actually think that's a great fit. I'd like to see Baker get somebody. I mean, Mike McCarthy's not a bad football coach.

Aaron and him wore each other out. But Baker could have John Dorsey, you know, who's been around the NFL for a long time. And Mike McCarthy, that to me feels. solid, which the Browns never are, that feels like, oh, those guys will be there for five years. That's all Baker needs. By the way, that's why right now Baker, don't go crazy on his wins. Don't go crazy on his losses. What you hope Baker Mayfield gets is stability. Well, that's the biggest issue with any dysfunctional team is stability. If you look at traditionally unstable organizations, the Browns, the dolphins, you have constant turnover. And if you draft a

rookie quarterback number one overall. The one thing you don't want to do is create more chaos. This is a time in Baker's career where he should have a steady teacher, someone that he respects, someone that's supported in the organization, someone whose decisions are supported in the organization. According to Hugh Jackson, what he wanted, he wasn't getting. And what he wanted has turned out to be successes. And also, Hugh, and I like Hugh, but Hugh's got a lot of drama. No, Hugh did not create a stable environment in Cleveland. And maybe that's not all Hughes fault, I think it goes hand in hand with the top of an organization every time. McCarthy is a no drama guy.

If he's not a no drama guy, but it has to start at the top. The Browns have shown consistently year after year after year starting at the top that they can't stick with one particular thing and that they allow chaos to ensue. So create a stable environment and then allow things to grow. I mean, I don't know. I don't plant plants, but I imagine if you plant something and you're picking it up and moving it every three weeks, It's probably not going to grow. Roots.

Roots. Finally. Or not finally. Next. Kobe Bryant spoke at the Lakers All Access event yesterday, and he had an interesting comment about LeBron. He said that LeBron running the show won't really move the needle for the Lakers' chance at a championship in the long run. It's only going to help the team keep afloat as they figure things out.

They were struggling. LeBron got the balls on patrol, right, decided to start playing a point, doing everything, doing everything. That's not the rest of the winning championships by no rules, but it's struggling. but it is a resume to keep your head of bubble, keep yourself a little breathing rule, and now let's go back to teaching how to play the way that we want to play. So basically, Kobe's saying right now you can win like this with LeBron doing everything. But there's a ceiling eventually you need Coosma Ingram to be better players.

And this style of play is not really helping Kuzma and Lanzo and your other young players develop. So I happen to agree. I think that at the beginning of the season, LeBron and the Lakers were trying to integrate everyone and get everyone the ball. And it was obviously not working. And since LeBron's taken over, they've been winning. And now they're fifth in the Western Conference.

So I agree with Kobe. I mean, I think for right now, until they make another roster move, if they're going to do it this season to bring in another star, this is kind of how you have to roll. But, I mean, LeBron's playing amazing right now. And, I mean, he's looked as good as he's always looked. Eventually, he's going to need some help. But you can't keep this level of play up forever, even if he is LeBron.

So finally, the Greek freak has received a lot of praise this season, deservedly so. Doc Rivers recently spoke about how hard it is to prepare for him. Shack called him the new Superman. David Fisdale was recently asked how he plans on slowing down the Greek freak, and he said, do you have a tractor, a tank? Obviously, we can throw some schemes at him and stuff like that. But this guy right now, to me, the best player in the league. He's playing at the highest level.

you've got to throw the whole house at him. Did he shoot threes? Does he ball handle? All right. Because LeBron does. I was just, you know. Well, Milwaukee's 15 and 7. All right. Second best record in the east behind Toronto is 20 and 5. He's averaging 27.6 points per game.

13.2 rebounds. Does he shoot threes? Does he ball handle? I mean, those are pretty good numbers. I'm not going to go to the best player in the league, but I mean, he's still really young. He's still developing. He's a great kid.

He has only 12. 23 years old. That part's ridiculous. So I'll give you premature to call him the best player in the league. He could be. He's 23 years old. And he's a good kid. There's no nonsense with him.

Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. Our next guest is moving his way toward the Hall of Fame, whether he would admit it or not, 13 years in the NFL, four-time Pro Bowl, or along with Tyron Smith of the Cowboys, the best last tackle in football. Andrew Whitworth of the L.A. Rams.

This guy is busy. So for you to even come here today, it's great. You know what? I'm happy to be here. We love having you. We love having you. You know, you're the first team to clinch a playoff spot. That's great, but it's early.

And, I mean, I sit there and I think to myself, you know, McVeigh is the kind of guy that could give an old veteran left tackle a week off. But wait, I can't because I have a rookie or I have a young quarterback. So when you clinch this early, have you talked about as a team? you know, that's not pound girly 32 times a game because you want to be healthy come January. Well, I really think for us, though, there's still a lot to be had. I mean, we've got the opportunity to try and earn a by week. You're in the race for that. And then also trying to be the top seed.

I mean, to have the opportunity to have all these games have to come out and be played in L.A. I think everyone knows that that's a huge factor in the playoffs. So I think it's something that we have a lot to play for. But obviously, I think down the road, if we can accomplish some of those things and be in a position to arrest them guys, I think that's something that Sean and the staff is going to have to make the best decision for us. But right now I feel like we still got a lot to play for and have really the kind of the pressure off your back that you've already got the divisions solidified. You check that off. Now you really can just focus on what do we need to do to secure ourselves the best position possible for the playoffs.

So the game, you can look at the data, the Chiefs Rams game from that game forward, every network got a bump. The game was so magnificent that every single. single game in the NFL on TV feels like they got a little push from that game. When you were in that game and you've been in a lot of big games, that did not look like most LSU games you've been in, which are lower scoring. Did you realize, wow, this is an all-timer. Did you sense that? I think you could sense leading up to it. It was going to be a really special game just from the energy around it. But no, I mean, I think in the game, as it was going on, you're really just thinking, you know, of the next possessive.

and what can you do to possibly figure out a way to win this game. And then afterwards, as soon as everything kind of was settled and over, it was like, what a game was. I mean, you're just sitting around thinking about it. And then we actually, you know, both of us having bye weeks right after it, it was cool when we came back as a team, every single guy wherever they went that went home anywhere across the country was like literally the entire time all I did was have people come up to me and say,

best game I've ever seen, greatest moment I've ever sat and watched in sports. Now, is it fun for you to play in a shootout? You know what? That's nerve-wracking sometimes, but you know what? It's a lot more fun than playing when you're down four scores, and you know you've got to throw it every single play. So I think it was fun. I think for me at this point in my career, any kind of experience like that, it's just like, man, what an honor to get to play in the game, what an experience.

And then just to hear how much it meant to people, how much the game was exciting to people just all over the country. It really made you think, wow, what an experience. really just had even getting not only just playing in it, but getting to hear from other people what it meant to them as well. This is a star-studded team. You are embarking on a Hall of Fame career, Aaron Donald, Todd Gurley. I mean, I can go through like nine guys.

It's a star-studded team. Aaron Donald is doing something that's just unheard of. He leads the NFL in Sachs from an interior line position. And not only that, he has doubled statistically more than any player in the league. So, like, you're strong. You're 6-6-3-12, right? About 6-7-3-25. Okay, okay.

And you bench what? Throw a number out? I don't know. A lot. Yeah. Like Delaware. Okay, and you could squat a lot. You're a big, strong man.

I have talked to Lyman and they're like, yeah, there's like, then there's Aaron Donald. So you see him every day at practice. Describe as somebody who doesn't get pushed around to like what it's like to watch, arguably Andrew, the greatest defensive lineman ever. What's it like? You know, he is just so rare. I think that we look at him sometimes and it's like he's really not a big guy at all. You look at his size and his stature and you think, you know, you would think,

all right, well, bigger, stronger linemen will probably not have much trouble with him because he's in the interior. And so how would he possibly hold up against them? And then what's magnificent to me is the ability he has to rush on those guys and also play the run at the same time, which is just so rare. Usually those guys are one-dimensional if they're good on the interior. But he is a tremendous rusher and tremendous against the run. And his power for his size is just something unseen. I mean, I don't think, I think guys literally can't prepare because they just can't imagine looking at him that he could be that powerful when they hit him. You could

make an argument he has leverage. His size is an advantage. Like pad level they always talk about. You can't possibly get quite as low as him. No, there's no chance. And he's, he's, he, he's, he's, he's, he, as quick as a cat. And I think it's rare because you look at it out. I think of early in my career a guy like Dwight Franey, who was just an exceptional pass rusher. And people chipped and doubled and just kept ways. And I always used to make the argument that when JJ Watt became big,

I used to say, you know what, JJ Watts was a tremendous player. But in my opinion, Dwight Franey was a guy that every single week teams completely changed their offense and didn't run plays they'd normally run because they couldn't throw the ball and drop back pass against Dwight Freni. They'd triple team him, double team him every single play. Well, Aaron's doing that from the inside of the line, which is just to get double, tripled, hit with backs, all those things from the interior. Honestly, it's amazing that he wins at the rate he wins. Sean McVeigh, there's a lot of talk about coaches.

Green Bay needs a coach. And Ohio State Urban Meyer retired today. And, you know, coaches in football matter more, I think, than any other sport. What are one or two things about Sean McVeigh? I said about a month ago, he's going to get guys fired. Like there's certain coaches that, you know, Nick Saban's gotten like 60 guys canned quickly. It used to be you got like four years. Now after two, if you're not close to Bama, they're moving you out.

Les Miles got fired. He was winning 10 and a half, 11 games a year. What does McVeigh do that other coaches didn't? I think the biggest thing to me, and a guy that played for Nick Sabin, obviously when I was at LSU, Bellichick made some appearances because Nick and him are close. And so you got to kind of see those guys. So you know Sabin and Belichick. Yeah, how they carry themselves.

I think the most thing I always tell people that really immediately I knew with Sean is the intensity every single day to focus and what needs to be accomplished in that day. It literally never changes. There's not a moment he's relaxed. There's not a moment of, you know what, this isn't a big deal or this little tiny detail we can worry about later. Every single day you were on eggshells like I need to have every detail, every bit of focus and accountability for every single action I have. have the day because if not, he is right there lurking and ready to, you know, address it. I mean, that is the thing to me that is just rare. There's some coaches that are intense or have moments of intensity, but the intensity that every day, his demeanor, his attitude never changes,

that is, it's rare. And there's just rare coaches that are that way. And he is one of them. And I would say that's a big part, but also the next part to me is that he is just himself. I think you see a lot of guys leave Belichick, leave Sabin, leave successful coaches, and they try to be Nick Saban and they try to be Bill Belichick and they try to be whatever coach it is they were with and that's who they're going to be and they're not who they are and Sean's biggest attribute and he encourages us as players every day be you just be you be the best version of you that you can be don't be anybody else don't try to do anything else that somebody else does you do what you do best and we'll be successful and I think that starts with him that that's the attitude he

comes with every day he's going to be himself he's going to study and prepare himself to be the best coach he can be every day, and he's not trying to emulate anybody else. You played a decade in Cincinnati, and if memory serves me correct, they did not have an indoor facility when you were there. No. Okay. So you practice outdoors. Oh, yeah.

The indoor was the stadium. So you got to be on the turf while you were wet and cold instead of the grass. That made it better. When you came out here to Los Angeles, somebody had told me they said, listen, he's going to be a huge signing for us, but we don't know how long Andrew's going to play. He's a, he's a, he's a lineman. And then I watch you, and I watch your feet and I watch your energy. And I'm thinking to myself, this, maybe this is I'm too close to the forest.

I live in L.A. But you look, the practice, it's 74 degrees, the weather. It almost looks like the weather, L.A. McVeigh, he's not a grinder. You look like you have a lot of years left if you chose to have those years left. That's what my eyes see when I watch you. You're nimble, you're healthy. Am I close to that? Because I thought coming here, I thought two years and this guy's out.

I watch you now and I'm like, oh, God, sign him to another four-year deal. I don't know about all that. But, yes, I agree. I mean, I will say that it has been fun. It has been a great energizing, just kind of, I feel it out here, I feel good. You don't have as many days where it's cold, really, really cold temperatures that you're trying to practice and the joints are killing you and all those kind of things. You definitely feel better.

And then also I think Sean is just, you know, really his style and the way he goes about things, you know, is invigorated a lot of us. And I think even guys that were here that had been through tough times, I think I think this, you appreciate it. You appreciate that he isn't really a grinder, but he is a, hey, you know what, when we work, it will be ultimate focus, ultimate detail. Everything will be perfect. And then when you don't work, then you rest guys. You find a way to region and get guys healthy. and then when you work, it's short burst of, you know, what, perfection and situational perfection. I mean, that's one of the things I think's been unique with Sean is everything that way.

And so it's kind of like you work less, but you're really working actually, in my view, more efficiently because you're actually working on being great in situational football, which is what NFL football really boils down to. Is it a complicated offense? You've worked with Carson Palmer, Andy Dalton, and Gough. Is this a complicated offense? I think it takes a lot of, you know, what, appreciating the game. And when I say that is like all the little nuances that can help you be successful, you know, in the sense of do things all kind of look the same, but they're all very different. And you kind of got to understand that, you know what, you're not going to have this set play where you're in this formation,

you're going to run this exact play. You're going to be in a bunch of formations and run a bunch of plays out of all those, but you're going to know that, you know what, they have no idea what we could run because we do everything out of everything. So it's a sense that, yeah, you do have to learn a lot of terminology. You do have to learn a lot of things. But the reality is that every single play looks the same. We have the photo of your son and Jared Gough. Gough bought him a new goldfish when the other one had died.

Jared is a really interesting cat. He's a star quarterback in Los Angeles. And I never hear from him. And I never see him. He was obviously raised right. I mean, you talk about Baker Mayfields, but in the league 15 minutes. I hear about him every 50. Gough's an interesting cat.

Like, is he behind the scenes funny? He's obviously a good dude. The star quarterback of the L.A. Rams, the number one scoring offense, he's as anonymous as a prank phone call. I never see him in Los Angeles. What does he like? You know, I have to be careful because I still got to play with him. I want to be too nice about him.

Right. But he is a tremendous kid. He really is. And I have been just blown away at the humbleness and just the attitude he has every day. to just come to work and be unmovable and you can't really affect him in games. His personality is flat. Nothing changes.

Nothing. There'll be moments where I'm like, oh, no, that's a bad, bad play or a bad situation. And he just like, he just like, all right, man, let's go the next one. And you're just like, you know, for a young quarterback kid, I mean, it's unbelievable. And yeah, I mean, he is a tremendous kid. You know, the fish story was awesome, but that is really who he is. He struck a relationship with my son, and he was like, you know what? Michael told me about losing one of his fish over the off season, and it means, you know,

I really want to do something for it. And I said, well, what do you want to do? He's like, well, my next Tuesday that I'm off, we had a Thursday night game that week, so he couldn't do it. And he was like, my next Tuesday, I'm off after the Thursday night game. I want to come pick him up from school and take him to go get a fish. And I was like, all right, man. So he came, got his car seat, picked him up from school, took him to get fish, got him

a fish tank. And I'm sitting there going like, here. Here's the starting quarterback. We're about to go to Seattle this week. You know, got a great opportunity to be in four and O to go play Seattle Seahawks in our first division game. And what he's worried about on Tuesday afternoon is like, I got my studying in. I'm going to go pick Witt's kid up, take him to get a fish, and that's going to give him

something. And you know what? You just don't know how people feed. And for him, if it's just being a great person and doing stuff for people around him is what feeds him to be who he is, then that's exceptional. And you just, you feel honored to get a chance to play with him. Andrew Whitworth, good dude, Rock Salt. This has been an interesting year.

There was the tragedy in Thousand Oaks. There was the fire. Somehow you guys as a unit, it was really remarkable. You had these tragedies, your neighbors being affected. You guys had to sleep in separate hotels in multiple nights. When you look back at it, are you shocked that you kept it all together? I would say there's definitely moments in there where you would have expected a lull. I mean, you would have expected, I can remember.

for myself going through Katrina at LSU and really the effect that had on us as a team that was my senior year there under Les Miles. And then I can remember also the Giants when they went through the hurricane. We actually played them the next week. And I remember just how exhausted. And you could just tell they were emotionally spent, you know, going through that. And that game was really lopsided that when I was in Cincinnati, we beat them really bad. They had just come off winning the Super Bowl the year before. And you could just tell that that time they just weren't ready, you know, to handle it. And so, I mean, you expect that on. Honestly. I mean, you almost say, hey, all the stuff that's going on around us, like, there's going to be a drop off to really look back at it and see how we handled it and what we really went through from the shootings that happened in our community right there where we practice to the fires to go into Colorado.

And then that kind of turned into a debacle. The night we're leaving Colorado. They have an ice storm. So like our buses, we can't even leave the facility. They're sliding all over the road. We end up late getting to the airplane. The airplane is sliding on the runway. It can't leave.

so we end up not leaving until like midnight, you know, two days before we're playing the game. So, I mean, it was just, we all felt like, oh, what in the world is just keeps happening? Something's just going to keep happening and trying stop us. And I think the resolve and the strength that it took as a team to really just hold together, relax and go play in those two games that we had to play through through all that. I mean, I think that is really, if anything, it's just bonded us. And I think it's created a really special bond on our football team that we feel like, even in adversity, we can bond together and find a way to go be successful.

successful. Absolute pleasure having you on the show. Thank you so much. You're going to be a Hall of Famer Andrew Whitworth back in a second. It's the herd. Andrew Whitworth was great. By the way, Kobe Bryant came out and said the Lakers Nation will soon be, quote, laughing at the

warrior fans. Now, Kobe has some intel. Rob Polinka runs the Lakers. Rob Polinka was Kobe's agent. When Kobe comes out and says, hey, and me laughing at the warrior fans. Kobe no son. Kobe no some.

Rob Polenka. Now, I will tell you this. Remember when we created, this was a little before Joy got here, the LeBronzo meter. And people made fun of LeBronzo meter. Well, the reason I created the LeBronzo meter is because we were hearing Magic Johnson was telling people we got LeBron. And I had heard a story around that time we created it that Magic was teasing Jerry West of the Clippers. And he was saying, Jerry, we got LeBron. We're not going to follow.

We got LeBron. That's why when the Lakers landed LeBron, do you remember what Jerry West said? He said, please, they had them all the way. Give me a break. It was no big deal. Remember that? He goes, that was an easy one. Because we had heard in Los Angeles, the stories among the agents and the power brokers was

magic was telling people we got LeBron. Nobody would confirm it. but I heard the story through the Jerry West side. Jerry was telling people, you know, magic's giving me a bunch of crap about they got LeBron. So when they did sign him, Jerry West came out and said, oh, give me a break. Like this was some great signing. They had him all along. LeBron moved his kids to school out here.

He's got a house out here. So when Kobe Bryant comes out and he mentions pretty soon we'll be laughing at the Warriors fans, guess what's happening? You're starting to hear the same things in Los Angeles with two superstars in the NBA. So I would like to introduce today two new meters. There was the LeBronso meter. We were right. Initiated because rumors were flying. I'm going to create today, Joy, two new LeBron meters.

The first is going to be called the Lebrow meter. And right now it's just barely. tickin. That's Anthony Davis, the brow. So we're introducing today the LeBrow meter. And right now it's very low. It's not moving a lot. You're just hearing a little rumor. That's the first meter we're going to introduce. And this will move based on Pelicans play. Rumors we're hearing should be noted that Anthony Davis signed with Rich Paul, who is LeBron's agent. So this is officially on the clock. Now, Joy, I'm going to introduce a second meter. Okay.

This is the Kevin LeBrant meter. Okay. Now, this one is all about Kobe saying Laker Nation will be laughing at warrior fans. So what would really get the Laker fans laughing if the Lakers stole the best player for the Golden State Warrior. So we have a new Lebrow meter and we have a new Kevin LeBrant meter. Just throwing it out there.

People mocked when we created the LeBronzo meter. Everybody just rolled, you live in L.A., blah, blah, blah. This is a city of agents and stars and power brokers. and you start hearing stuff. I mean, and also it just made sense. By the way, I would like to create the LaBeal meter. I actually thought that that was what was coming next. But the power brokers are telling me it's not happening.

It is not happening. The Lakers' front office thinks he's too expensive. They think they can get better players. I've been told by the people I trust that I like Bradley Beal and the Lakers like Bradley Beale and LeBron really likes Bradley Beale. But not at that price. But for the next two years after this year, you're paying him $28 million, and that would negate any run at Clay Thompson, Anthony Davis, the brow, or Kevin Durant.

So that is where we stand. By the way, next hour, we're going to have Deontay Wilder, who is the heavyweight champion of the world, who got into a wild, wild fight this weekend to slim margin barely retain his belt. So he is a mountain of a dude, 6-7, 6-6 coming in live in our studio. Hour 3 coming up, it's the hurt. Ah, this is the hurt hour 3 live. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, we're in Los Angeles. Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio FS1.

Joy Taylor is joining me in 30 minutes. Heavyweight champ of the world. Deonté Wilder, for the first time in his life, he'll be on a show. show and he won't be the biggest person on the show. That's Andrew Whitworth. Great to have you in today. By the way, Urban Meyer is no longer the coach at Ohio State. As we broke the story two weeks ago on this show, Urban Meyer would be retiring either after the Big Ten championship game or after the Rose Bowl, and it will be the Rose Bowl, a game that he has great affection for. He wants the coach in. They'll be favored by about a touchdown. I imagine over Washington. It should be about that.

I think Ohio State will win that football game. It's a good time to leave. He's four for four. He's won four different places, so Urban Meyer's going to be replaced by Ryan Day. Good news for Michigan. He was 7-0 against Michigan. He won 90% of his games in the Big Ten. And outside of Nick Sabin, he's the best coach in the history of college football. And some would argue he's better than Nick because he's done it four times.

You could make that argument, certainly. So Urban Meyer is done at Ohio State. Coming up in 15 minutes, Tony Gonzalez and heavyweight champ Deonté Wilder. But look what I'm reading here today. Look what I am reading here today. Aaron Rogers needs a new head coach. And look what I'm reading here. A handful of NFL assistance have indicated interest in joining Josh McDaniels

and a bunch of good coaches to coach Aaron Rogers. Josh McDaniels is, of course, Tom Brady's offensive coordinator, the best one he's ever had. And I'm saying this morning, I'm not so sure if I'm Aaron Rogers privately. I love that. First of all, if Green Bay wins big with Josh McDaniels, Josh McDaniels is going to get a lot of credit. Number two, if Green Bay doesn't win big with Josh McDaniels, he won with Tom.

I mean, Tommy he won with him. Tommy didn't have great players everywhere. Tommy didn't have a pass rush. Tommy would rebuild offensive line. Tommy didn't have star wide receivers. Josh McDaniels comes with a lot of trophies, accumulated with Aaron Rogers' nemesis, arch rival. Now remember, Tom Brady admits, has gone on record admitting,

Aaron has more talent than I do. He said it, he said, boy, in this system in New England, he'd have 7,000 yards a year. Boy, if Aaron Rogers had the system I had, well, who created the system, Josh McDaniels. So if Tom is admitting that guy's more talented than me, and that guy doesn't win with Josh McDaniels, then what does it tell you? Aaron's not very coachable.

Aaron's hard to get along with. Remember this. Josh McDaniels also is the highest paid coordinator. What does money do to men? He also has multiple Super Bowl trophies. What is accomplishments? What do those do for men? As I've told you, people that can be difficult are more difficult.

men with money, trophies, and power. Josh McDaniels has all three. And by the way, Josh McDaniels ticked off Jay Cutler before he even got to Denver. Josh McDaniels has a strong point of view. He did early. It's even stronger now. So he'll go right back at Aaron Rogers

and be Belichick snarky. We've seen he and Tom Brady get into shouting matches. You don't think he's going to do that with Aaron Rogers? He'd done it with Tom Brady. Tom Brady, eight trips, five rings. So this will be very... Now, this story is great for the NFL. It's a talking point, and it's great for me.

We can track it. That worked with Tom, that didn't, that worked with Aaron. But just ask yourself here. There's a story out today. Jeff Saturday, a former Green Bay teammate of Aaron Rogers, says that when Aaron would go in the huddle, and the play would be called from Mike McCarthy, Aaron Rogers would roll his eyes at Mike McCarthy's play call.

Basically, dog him in front of players. How do you think Josh McDaniels going to sit with that? The eye rolling. Because McDaniels will roll them right back. Hey, pretty boy. How many Super Bowl trips? I've been there like five times. You finish third in your division.

I win mine every year. So don't kid yourself. they're going to be in film rooms, and if the great ad liver, passive aggressive Aaron Rogers, rolls an eye, does what he wants to do, Josh McDaniels can go, well, that worked with Tom. I mean, that play worked with Tom. I mean, that thing worked with Tom with Josh Gordon, Philip Dorset, an old gronk, and running backs nobody watched play in college. There we go. Josh McDaniels, staff. interested in Green Bay.

Listen, Josh McDaniels was interested in Indianapolis. Why? Andrew Luck. Josh McDaniels is not going to go to one of these teams with Blake Bortles. Josh McDaniels, Tom Brady's guys, only leaving Tommy for like a legend. That's why he wanted the Colts job for a while, Andrew Luck. I mean, if you couldn't have Tom Brady, who would you want a quarterback for the next five years? Not Breezy.

He won't be around. Not Benny won't be around. Not Cam too inconsistent. Who would you want? Seems to me Aaron Rogers, top of the list. McDaniels is not going to fail for the second time his head coach. He's going to make sure, unlike Denver, wherever he goes, they've got the quarterback set. McDaniels went to Denver and Denver didn't have the quarterback situation settled.

He's not doing that again. He's going to a place where he's got a four-year contract for a star quarterback. That's where he's going. Sounds like Green Bay to me. All right, let me shift gears to this. Speaking of coaching, how valuable it is. Philadelphia. led Washington 14 to 3 at half, and led heading into the fourth 14 to 3.

Philadelphia won 2813 last night. Their season's over. I mean, it's not officially over, but Philadelphia's season is over. How do I know that? Because they had 28 to 10 first down advantage, double the yards, averaged almost twice as much per pass, had the ball double the time of possession, and were three for five in the red zone, and struggled for 75% of that game to put away Mark Sanchez and the Washington Redskins. It's over.

What do they do well? What does Philadelphia do well? Not much. First two-game winning streak of the year. Here's what happened. And this is why coaching matters. In the NBA, LeBron is a semi-coach. In Major League Baseball, the general manager is a semi-coach.

In the NFL, the coach. is the coach. And Philadelphia lost Frank Wright, Indianapolis, and John D. Filippo to Minnesota, and they've never replaced him. They've never replaced him. Doug Peterson wrote a book after winning the Super Bowl.

How to win a Super Bowl. I hope chapter one was, hire a really good offensive coordinator, and chapter two was, and then have a really good assistant under the offensive coordinator, and pray they don't leave. Because they left, and they're not the same team.

And by the way, it's not about lack of players. Carson Wentz is still there. Zach Ertz is arguably the second best tied in in football. Alshon Jeffrey, Nelson Aguilar, Golden Tate, that's a way above average, way above average receiving core. Lane Johnson's still playing. Jason Kelsey is still playing, and they've scored over 30 one time.

Last year, over 12 times. So, you know, here's a prime example. Their entire season comes down to the game against Dallas on Sunday at Dallas. season's over. If you're struggling with Washington last night at home, season's over. But this is all you need to know about coaching. Here was the fourth down play in the Super Bowl last year when you had Doug Peterson and those two great offensive coaches. It was the Philly special. All right. That's pretty amazing. Here was the fourth down last night out of a timeout against lousy Washington. Let's show last night. Yeah, that right there,

stuffed, lost a yard. So it's over for Philadelphia. They don't know it's over. I think they probably sort of kind of feel it's over, but it's over. If you're struggling at home against Mark Sanchez, who has been in the nation's capital for what, six days, maybe eight, it is over. And this is, this is a cautionary tale for all you big talky, talky, talky sports fans when your team wins a Super Bowl. What happens? You write books, you lose really good coordinators, you don't work as hard in the offseason,

and that once again is the most remarkable thing about New England. 18 years without a hiccup, the Philadelphia Eagles couldn't go six months without screwing it up. Lost assistants, wrote a book, big parade, let's do Paul. Let's wear silly dog masks. They struggle to beat Washington. Tony Gonzalez and the heavyweight champ of the world, Deontay Wilder, are both joining us next. Thursday, Marcus Marriota and the Titans look to keep their playoff hopes alive against the Jaguars. It all starts at 730 Eastern on Fox NFL Network and streaming on Prime Video.

Listen, I work for Fox. I want you to watch that game. It's not one of our better Thursday matchups. But by the way, we get Chargers Chiefs in two weeks. I'll be there. Yeah, you'll be there? Yeah. Oh.

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It's going to be a Hall of Famer Tony Gonzalez. 17 years missed two seasons. That's unbelievable. Okay, show everybody. This is my two games, by the way. My bad. Two games in 17 years. Here's my top 10, herd hierarchy.

I've got Saints 1, Patriots 2, Chiefs 3, Rams 4, Chargers 5, Texan 6, Seahawks 7, Steelers 8. That's a good 8 team. Cowboys 9, Bears 10. Tony, you got no problem with any of it? Maybe the order, but yeah, I think those are definitely the top 10 teams. I can't think anybody else. No. Good job.

I really am disappointed with Carolina. Cam's had a bad month. He's in a slump, like a hitting slump. Like, he's just doubting himself. I was looking at his comments. He's just, you can't talk that way. Don't say, I don't know what's wrong with me or I'm just not playing good football. I've been there before.

You got to get out of that mental mind. You know, Derek Jeter used to always say he hung around positive guys. He's like, the last thing I need is self-doubt. And so he had his boys. I remember being in Tampa and he walked into a steakhouse and he had like his guys. And he was always like, why would I want to get negativity around and start thinking about my swing? And they were asking him about a hitting slump. He goes, I go to a hitting slump every year.

All I'm thinking about is just hit it hard. It'll drop. But to your point, Cam is going through a funk. You're going through a funk right now. And like I said, just look at his comments. It's because he's playing good football right now as far as numbers. Everybody's numbers are up. I know it's slanted that way.

But he is mentally, and I've been there when I dropped those 17 balls, my second year. Your second year. Every ball that was coming my way, I'd be like, don't drop it, don't drop it. instead of catch it. Just cat. You got this. You got this. It was don't drop it, don't drop it.

And you can't have that. How did you get out of that? It's tough. You go through some down times. It was depressing. Self therapy. Self talk. You start learning about how to think.

You know, there's great books out there on the one called Mind Gym, which is a great one. So I started re-educate myself how to talk to myself. And that made a big difference, among other things too. But that was a big difference for me. So Aaron Rogers, there's a story out today. where Jeff Saturday acknowledged that in the year he was with Green Bay he'd be in the huddle and the play would come in and Aaron Rogers

would look at the players and roll his eyes at Mike McCarthy's play. How does that land for you? You can't do that. I think when you're the leader of the team and there's two leaders, okay, there's the head coach and there's the quarterback, especially in this situation. And I compare it to two parents in a household. The other players, tied-ins,

running backs, receivers, we are the kids. So when these two guys who are back to back in that trench calling the shots, if they're not on the same page and the one who you're out in the football field, if I see my quarterback roll the eyes at the play call, that creates dissension. Because what if I even agree with Aaron? Now you start taking sides. I mean, it's up to us. The kids, the receivers, and the running backs, we can complain.

That's what we do. That's fine. We can say we don't like the play call, but the quarterback and the head coach need to be on the same page. otherwise it ruins everything. It's not a good, it's a recipe for it, just like parenting. You don't want to do that to your spouse and say, well, don't worry, but, you know, if mom gives, if I say no Snickers bar for my kid,

and then mom goes behind my back and I'm like, yeah, don't worry about that. He's not looking here. Here's a little piece of. Bad parenting. Bad parenting. I think that's what it is. This is a bad relationship. And I would put the blame on Aaron more than I would put the blame on Mike McCarthy,

although I don't know. I'm just talking about from an outsider looking at. Do you think Aaron should have a say in the next head coach? Yeah, I would if you're smart. And the reason why is he's going to be, he's not going anywhere. And if you try to appease him and try to make him happy, he's got what, five, six years left. You can't bring somebody in there who he doesn't want. I think he should be a part of that.

And I know that maybe a lot of people out there don't agree with that. But what's the alternative? You're going to bring somebody else in here that he doesn't respect their play calling? Okay, Josh McDaniels, that's Brady is a little bit of Aaron's nemesis. You know, he can always turn to Aaron in a meeting and say, Tommy did it this way. Would you want that? I mean, Josh McDaniels, very successful, a super strong point of view with Aaron. You think that works?

You've seen Tom and Josh go at it. Oh, no, no. There's no passive aggressive at all. They bark. And Josh is not going to tame it down if he comes out there with Aaron. And he doesn't back down from Tom. No, he doesn't back down. So will this work?

I don't know. I would probably say no. I would say go with somebody else. You didn't like to be yelled at? No. Not at all. Every player is different. Every player.

Yeah, I don't want to be yelled at. So Brady gets yelled at and he said before. You know, you just yell at people. Yeah. You don't like that. You yell at me. I'm going to yell back at you. I mean, I got a, I don't know why.

I got to ask my wife. It's the same thing. So if you yell, you yell back. Oh, yeah. Gonzalez, catch the football. Who are you talking to? Don't talk to me like that. Okay?

There's better ways to come at me this way. Relax. I've gone at it with coaches before. You have? Yeah, they come to the sideline and yell at me. Don't yell at me. I will bite your head off. In the heat of battle, out on the field, you mean, you know, you could yell me right now.

So if your wife yells at you, you yell back. It depends on the situation, but yeah. Oh, I don't. Isn't that marriage? Why not? Oh, boy, no. You know where? I'm not interested in that.

You afraid? Yeah, a little bit. I am. I am. So I just said it. Okay. So I'm watching the Eagles last night. And they've got plenty of good players. Nelson Aguilar, Allison Jeffrey, Jason Kelsey, Lane Johnson, Carson Wentz, Zach Hertz. They got a bunch of good dudes. And I look at them and they still have their coach. You know what I look at, Tony? They lost two offensive coordinators. And football coaching matters. You said this a month ago. There's never been a year of my life that coaching mattered more. Philadelphia's got all the pieces.

The Golden Tate, they added. They just aren't right. Yeah. Not the players. They're not right upstairs on the headset. Yeah, there's something going on there. And I would look at that internally. If you've got the same players but the different coach, then yeah.

I think you've got to go to coach. You've seen examples of this. I think Cleveland is probably a good example. When Hugh gets out of there, all of a sudden, things get better. I don't know if that's specifically why, but I'm just telling you what I saw. the film and they start winning games. They start rallying a little bit better. So yeah, you lose a coordinator.

Systems, I've told you before, when I was in a system, I was in the West Coast system, had 93 catches. Coach Vermeal comes in, brings that air coriol. It's kind of a different philosophy. I go from 93 to 73 to 61

in two years. Oh, God. Because it's not good for me. They're not going to throw me the ball. So I think that's that's what's going on here. These guys, and then confidence. Confidence is a big thing. Razor thin.

If you don't have confidence, there's no minimum like momentum. And if you can't get it, if you start to see teams role, and this is why I love the New England Patriots. It always seems like their confidence really starts picking up. November. Right around November, December. They start rolling every year. And they're doing it again right now.

And they're going to play in the AFC championship game probably because of it. And that's what a lot of the former. that a lot of coaches don't have. Okay, finally, I have to ask him an actor question. I want to ask Joy this, because you guys are good-looking enough to be actors. Okay, so you're an actor, and you do all sorts of roles, and you go in all the time for casting auditions, right? So there's a new movie coming out called Vice with Christian Bale, who many believes

the best actor in the world. Whether he is or not, he's in that kind of two dozen actors, actresses class, Merrill Street class, Hank class. He gained, it ain't fake weight. he gained like 85 pounds. So your body, Matthew McCona, he lost 80 pounds to be in Dallas Biers Club. And for a year and a half, he didn't look right. So let me ask you as an actor.

And I'm going to ask you, too, Joy, because I could see you on, you know, like a big acting thing. First, Tony, if you had to gain 100 pounds for a role, would you and could you? I don't think I could gain 100 pounds. I don't, that's, I mean, how do you do that? Do you eat really healthy, right? I eat pretty healthy, yeah. Yeah, I don't like eating that much, though. I don't like eating a lot of food.

Would you as a woman gain 100 pounds for a roll? I mean, how much are they paying me? You got a price. Is there another question? $4 million for the movie. $4 million? Yeah. Yeah.

Because there's long, you have to think macro here. Like, for $4 million, I live in Los Angeles. What is that really? And how far does that go? Because my body is ruined, essentially. I mean, I'm going to be 32 years old. It's not like I'm 23. You'll never, if you gain 100 pounds.

It's going to take me a very long time to lose 100 pounds. And when it comes off. It's going to take me a very long time to gain 100 pounds. And when I lose 100 pounds, yeah, there's going to be stretch marks. Is that inappropriate to ask a woman now? Can't get rid of, honey. What, stretch marks? No, no, no, just to ask you that question.

That's okay, right? No. Okay, what about you? Because you're a guy, I can offend you all day. You can offend me, yeah. Okay, 80 pounds, would you do it? By the way, you'd walk around? You could gain 80 pounds.

Your wife would look at you, like, not attractive. Not attractive. And your wife's beautiful and smart. and you look like a big old meatball. Would you do it? Well, I'd have to look at the work and see the material and run it by my agent. The work. I read the script and I fell in love with it.

How much are you paying me? I don't think I could do it. I wouldn't want to do it. I couldn't do it. They're offering you $25 million. Yeah, he's getting $20 for that. How many bagels can you eat? I don't think I can do it.

I don't want to live that life for a year. Just eating drinking milkshakes all day? That's a horrible life. It's for the art. You don't care about the art? It's the art. You know what the art is? That green piece of paper with a dollar sign on it.

Exactly. That's my art. For that, then. All right. Tony Gonzalez, Joy with the News. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News.

Yeah, the snapback from that would be difficult for me. You just got to watch this movie, Vice? No, it looks good. It is, the trailer for it is, like, no trailer. He looks exactly like Dick Cheney. Yeah, director of the big short. Those movies are always just so interesting to watch. Like, Charlie Starram when she did Monster.

Oh, my, you can't take your eyes off. I'm the same person. You know, I just saw him in a car in L.A. Christian Bale? Yeah, we look over, and I'm with the wife, and she's like, hey, Christian Bail's right there. And he's in a Tacoma truck. Like a cow, and it's really him. There's no doubt about it.

It's him. And this was probably around three months ago. Skinny or heavy? No, it was skinny. It looked good. So they must have done this long. And you had to imagine he's working with, like, the top people to help get rid of that. Tell Toby, I said hi, by the way.

I will. All right. It's Tuesday, which means Jerry Jones appeared on his weekly radio appearance to talk all things America's team. And he gave us some pretty important information about Dallas's defense, which has been rolling lately. Sean Lee is close to returning. And would he automatically jump back in and take over Layton Van derrush's spot? Here's Jerry's answer. Yes.

And he needs to be in the – he'll have a rotation. but certainly with a player of his stature. And you ask, well, as he earned it, I've said the other day that Sean has had as much to do with how Van Dresch has evolved as his coaches have. He's an outstanding individual to have in the room with those linebackers out on the field with those linebackers. When you get him in the game,

he's that much more of a quarterback on the field. So he creates a wonderful, situation for us. They do have the three best. I will say this. You can say it right now. You can't debate it. Best linebacking core in the NFL is the Dallas Cowboys. Uh-huh. And they're winning right now. Yes. So just let it be.

This real, tell me this doesn't sound like Jack and Tony all over again. Yeah, but that worked out for them. It's not as serious. Yeah, because they let Dak stay in there. Don't mess. It's not broke. Don't fix it. I just think it's funny that Jerry holds a press conference every week. I think it's no other. I'm in. No other owner does. There could be no other way.

All right. So what does Bill Belichick think about days off, Colin? Do you like days off? He no days off. Let's listen to him after Super Bowl 51. No, no, oh, yeah. No days off. No days off.

I mean, just the no fun zombie chant. Okay. All right. Well, Bill had a new message for his team after Sunday's win over the Vikings. All right, let's see you Wednesday What's happening Things are happening in New England He's getting soft in his older years

Giving the day off on Monday We get Tuesday Monday and Tuesday Exactly That's why everyone's cheering They don't have to come in until Wednesday I don't like to see that Could you know

It could be a sign You give John Goulet an extra day off It'd be out drinking and come in be like Christian Bailey come back in, gain 80 pounds, hungover. You can't give Goulet that. How long would it take you to gain 80 pounds? Oh, I could not gain any pounds.

I could gain 30. I don't even think, I wouldn't even want to gain, I wouldn't. I just, I don't want to screw. I'm 50. You know, I don't want to mess with my body and mess it up. At a certain age, you just can't. That's just not even an option. Now, in my 20s, my weight ebbed and flow.

But I've been trying to lose like seven or eight pounds now for six months and I can't lose a pound. because they keep eating pretzels and almonds all day. Once you get to be my age, you can't... Pretel's and almonds. You can't lose weight. I can't lose weight. But what I am is what I am now.

It's all good. Luckily, that's not on our job description. Finally, Hawks rookie Trey Young drew all the comparisons to Steph Curry during the pre-draft process and now at their first meeting against each other. As pros is out of the way, Steph Curry is ready to move on from those comparisons. Honestly, it's getting old to be honest. I mean, again, he's his own player. Just, like when I was a rookie, Steve Nash's name was thrown out there a lot.

You take that with respect and understand it's flattering, but at the end of the day, that's not going to carry you through the league is what you do with the opportunity you have in front of you. So I've been blessed to have, you know, had a lot of success and experience in the league. Obviously, you know, you expect trade to kind of carve out of his own lane. And again, be himself. He didn't have to be anybody else but himself. I mean, I always understood the comparisons of Steph Curry and Tray Young.

They look a little bit alike. They look a little bit of like. They play a little alike. Yeah, this rookie season is not really comparable to Steph's rookie season. Listen, here's the good news about Tray Young. There were some that thought he would be a bust, and he's not. No. No, he's not a bus. He definitely has a spark. He's had some good games. Overall, I mean, this isn't really a real season for the Hawks. You know what I like about the NFL and the NBA right now? Baseball could learn a thing or two. Because both the NFL and NBA have said, listen, less physicality, more about offense.

It is allowing rookies in both sports to flourish. Because one of the problems with the old NBA, it was so physical. Right. No 19-year-old could come into the league and be comfortable. They didn't have the body for it. Didn't have the body for it. But the NBA said no hands, no leaning, no foul. So it allows a kid to come into the league.

And if he's quick and he's fast, and he can shoot, he works his way right in. You're getting fewer busts. In the NFL, it used to be, you know, you could late hit a guy, and that gets into a quarterback's head. Now it's no huddle. Some of your college offense, let's do RPO's. You're seeing far fewer busts in the NBA at the top

and far fewer busts in the NFL at the top of the draft from offensive stars. I like it. I like it too. Joy Taylor, who would not gain 100 pounds for $4 million with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news. We've asked everybody today, so Aaron Rogers needs a new coach.

And we asked Tony, and Tony says, you've got to keep Aaron Rogers in the loop. I think the big problem is if you ask Aaron Rogers who he wants to be coach, and he gives you a name and you don't hire that guy. Does it create resentment? DeAngelo Hall said, you better keep Aaron in the loop. Obviously, I think we all know Aaron got Mike fired. And so if you got a guy fired, you want to make sure the next guy is a guy that gets along with him and that can coexist together. If you don't have Aaron's input, you have the potential to have the same problem. And that to me is a problem of an uninspired Aaron Rogers and just a team that just doesn't look quite like themselves.

He might not be directly sitting in there on the interview, but you best believe if a head coach is on that radar when they go to dinner, Aaron's going to be at dinner. he's going to be talking and they're going to figure out, hey, does this work? Is the chemistry here with these guys? Can they get along? I think you have to do that. If you don't, you do yourself a disservice. And for the record, Josh McDaniels, according to Yahoo Sports and Charles Robinson, smart guy, somebody I trust, that there is, Josh McDaniels has a group of assistance he likes. Now, Belichick doesn't look like he's retiring anytime soon. I talked to Jimmy Johnson about this weekend.

Belichick's not retiring any time soon. Tom Brady tells you, I'm not retiring any time soon. So if Josh McDaniels wants to be a head coach and he wants to have an elite quarterback, this could be his best opportunity. Because Frank Reich appears to be working with Andrew Luck. And Doug Peterson and Carson Wentz, that's going to work. And Mahomes and Andy Reid's not slowing down. And I mean, if you start looking around the league Bill O'Brien and Deshaun Watson have one nine in a row,

if you're Josh McDaniels, you're looking around thinking, well, if I take over New England for Belichick, it's going to be in like three years. and Tommy's gone. And I don't want to be a head coach without a quarterback. So if you're Josh McDaniels, I totally get him thinking, hey, this is the best quarterback on the market that I may have a chance to work with. I mean, if I'm Josh McDaniels and I'm looking around,

luck's taken, Deshawn Watson's guy, Drew Bree's guy, Mike Tomlin's not going anywhere, Brady's got Belichick. I'm looking around in the league. Russell's got Pete Carroll. Maybe that's the job if Pete Carroll retires. but I think Pete will probably re-up for a couple years. This could be your best chance to get a job, Josh McDaniels,

with a star quarterback with five years left. So I don't doubt at all. Josh McDaniels would lobby for this job. This is as good a coaching. If you're an offensive guy, you've got to have a quarterback. This is it. Because most of the other good quarterbacks, they got their guy. And he's not going to go to Cleveland.

You're not going to go to Cincinnati with Andy Dalton. They're not doing that kind of stuff. I'm not going to Jacksonville. Coming up next, the heavyweight champ of the world. Deontay Wilder, and that's a perfect last name for the fight he had this weekend, a controversial and narrow win that's coming up. He has been the heavyweight champ for three years. He is 40-0-1 with 39 knockouts and a crazy fight this weekend to retain a split decision.

Deontay the bronze bomber Wilder is now joining us here in the herd six feet seven the pride of Tuscaloosa, Alabama. And what is amazing, Alabama, Evander Holyfield from Alabama, the great Ernie Shavers is from Alabama, the amazing Joe Lewis is from Alabama, and you, and my takeaway is none of you guys played for the Crimson Tide. Now, you had to play football at some point. Definitely. Most definitely. I played football when I was younger and when I was in high school. I definitely had the desire to pray for the Alabama Christian Tire. I mean, when you were a child raised up right there in the city, that's almost like our professional sport. So you see all the school spirit, especially when they're playing Auburn. It's a big rival.

It's like a Super Bowl. Yes. Oh, my God. Everybody gets so emotional when they're playing Auburn, you know. So as a child, you definitely had the desire. and the motivations to play for them. But you had a young daughter and that she had Spina Bepheda and you needed, you need to go make some money. Most definitely. I needed it fast. Although I had plans, but my plan consists of me still staying in school, you know, and I needed money now. I didn't know nothing about Spina Bifida or what it would take

to take care of a child with Spina Bifida. Being 19 years old, that was very scary. That was one of the most scariest part of my life, Well, my life. No, I'm bringing a life. So you made a decision, Deontay, to go box. And at your size, you weren't going to be a lightweight. You became a sparring partner of Vladimir Klitsko.

Well, before then, I made the Olympics team in medal. No one has made the Olympics team in metal like I did it. I did it in a year and a half. No one has done it as fast as I've done it. So you started boxing? When I started boxing. I wasn't even on the list when it came to USA

boxing who would make the team and stuff. My name wasn't there. They always said I came out of nowhere. And I really did. And then later on in my career, I went to Vladimir Cliscoe camp. Who was a champ for a decade? Most definitely. It was amazing experience.

Just getting invited there. I would have done it for free. Just to get the experience, just to be amongst the champ. I always said, When I was going there, I said, this guy has been the champion for so long. Now I get an inside view of why has he been the champ for so long. So, you know, I took a lot of notes in that camp. Okay, Tyson Fury, you guys, you knock him down.

We have video in the 12th round, and it was a tight fight. You know, a lot of people said you had lost the fight. You knock him down. He gets back up and it's they raise your arm. Now, a lot of people felt he had outboxed you in a majority. of the rounds. Did you feel that? I don't feel that. I feel like I was the more aggressor. I feel

like I threw the more effective punch. I landed the more effective punches. You know, being that I was such a small heavyweight and applying so much force and power, you know, my power lasted over in the 12th round. You know, I definitely was very anxious to get him out of there.

You know, I didn't feel the pressure until I really just got in the arena just to see how many people just turn up for it, you know, because it's been, you know, heavyweight division in America has been down, you know. You have. No, you know, I remember time when no one knew who was the heavyweight champion of the world were here in America and boxing is not like our top sport here. So it was a lot of pressure to be put on me to just try to bring this back. And I always, and I always try to be a man of

my word, you know, whatever I do, I'm known for being a man of my word. And I, and I told people I was going to come and give a knockout. And I tried to do it. I think my emotions got the best of me in the ring. Allowed me to overthrow my punches and different things like that. Well, Tyson Fury is also a dude. I mean, let's not kid ourselves. It's not like you fought me.

It's not like you fought a end table. You fought like a real guy. I got to ask this question because this is one of the things. You're a big dude, right? When you walk into that ring, and I think I've told you this, Joy, I've been to UFC fights. I used to live in Vegas. So I've been to big fights.

I've been to Hagler-Herns, Leonard Duran. I was in the fan-man fight. I've been to Tyson fights. I'm never more nervous at a sporting event. I've been to Super Bowls, everything, Deonté. When I go to a heavyweight fight and the guys walk in, I feel sick to my stomach. Now, I mean, I seriously, I don't get nervous for Final Fours. I don't get nervous for World Series.

I want to throw up. I'm like, I could. Oh, my God. aren't you a little nervous going into a fight a little to be honest not I you know I'm I mean I love this I love to do it you know I could just only speak for myself I've been doing I've been doing this for a very low time over 10 years you know I've never even as a child I never shied away from fights you know so although this is this is boxing you know street fighting is totally different for boxing Did you street fight?

All the time. You know, it seemed like every time I walked out of the house, I always were in a great fight. I never liked fighting, though. I never looked for trouble, but trouble always found me. Who the hell was picking on you? I wasn't always tall, though. Okay. I was going to say, you walk out of the house, I don't think I'd pick on you.

And I never liked fighting. I remember one time I was just at the park just swinging all by myself, and I had this elder guy come and just pick with me out of nowhere. you know and I end up hurting them real bad you know and I remember going home crying talking to God like Lord I don't want to fight I know what I want to do in life and this is not going to get me there because I know when you get in trouble and when you have when you're on the path the devil comes in and try to tempt you and try to knock you off game and then now you do something stupid because you're you're reacting awful you know emotion exactly and then things happen and then that's it you know and I always you know I come

from a praying family because my father he's a pastor my grandma was a pastor as well too you had a lot of religion a lot of conviction in your family a lot of church in your family when you decided to be a boxer dad okay mom okay everybody okay he never told me but he used to tell my mom that I don't need to be doing it but he always said what I don't need to be doing if I listen to him

oh Lord look at the oh Lord do you have a favorite boxer when you were a kid Muhammad Ali is my idol oh I loved Ali my dad like Fraser I liked Ali yeah I got a lot of favorite ones I like, but Mahamma Ali is definitely my idol. Because to me, Ali was an athlete who fought. Yes. He wasn't a fighter. He was an athlete. You know who a guy's underrated to me?

Lennox Lewis. Lenox? Yeah, that's... Most definitely. By the way, I covered Tyson, and I would never say this to Mike's face. I thought he was a little overrated. He didn't jab last six years. He didn't jab anymore. And every time he fought the bigger competition, he lost now. By the way, every time he fought a tall, long guy, Mitch Blood Green gave him trouble, Trevor Burbock.

Lennox. Lennox. Anytime he fought a tall guy that could keep Mike at bay. I also think Mike got so big and so rich, he just didn't work. Buster Douglas gave in trouble. Buster. I think Mike was, custom auto early in his career, was a passionate, driven fighter. Then he got rich, and like all of us, you give us a little money, and we get a little cray, and we go a little sideways.

Yeah. You get a little lazy as well, too. When's the last time somebody really popped you? Fury to Tyson? Saturday, you know. So, yeah, you know. But it wasn't effective. He only, I was asked, does he have power?

He doesn't have power, power, but he has big man power for his weight. You know, I came in at 209 officially at the fight. I was so surprised that my weight even dropped more after the way ends. So you were fighting at 206? Basically. And he was at 255, 270? He was at 260. Wow.

That's amazing. I was like, you know, so I'm putting on more clothes. They come in, the commissioners coming in. Like, yeah, we need to do a wait, official weighing on you. So I'm like, all right, cool, you know. I'm thinking I'm more weight than I were when I weighed in. So I get on the scare, 209. What?

You know what I'm saying? So now I'm thinking 209 in my head, which I don't really dwell on weight because, like I said, I'd rather be the part than look the part. Right. I know what I'm capable of doing. I know I have the power. to survive in this division. Was he the biggest guy you ever fought, though?

Six, nine. It's either between him and... Look how big he is. Yeah. Lord. Lord. What's it look like to watch? Oh, hold on.

Is this the big one coming up here? Even just seeing the fight, you know, it was just a great fight overall. We both put our hearts on the line, you know? We sacrificed our life in there, and that's what we do. You know, and shout out to, um, shout out to, um, Donis Stevenson, you know, he's still in critical condition right now. And our prayers is definitely with him. And people don't understand the effect that it takes up on our body, our families.

We risk our lives in that ring and there's nothing to play with. You know, any shot, any given time, you know, something can happen. Where it can be the last time we step in that ring. Congratulations, we got to go. Deonté Wilder, the Bronze Bomber. Congrats again. Loved having you on the show. and we'll see you tomorrow.

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