The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Elite coaches survive; Andy Reid scary with Mahomes; Toughness still wins; Another Belichick clinic

Episode Date: January 15, 2019

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until the, the Hall of Fame game, which is usually in, in early August. So enjoy these last, you know, three games. And let's hope they are a little better than what we just witnessed this weekend. And while the matchups were great on paper, it was a pretty crappy weekend just from a entertainment standpoint might be the wrong word because, I mean, I could watch any NFL game and probably be entertained. But just from a competitive standpoint, Coltief's blowout, the game in the morning, Sunday morning Patriots Chargers blowout, and the Rams game.

While it wasn't a blowout, Dallas just kind of got to take into him. But I want to start with the afternoon game. And just, I've been saying all season long that the day and age of the meathead coach is done. It's dead in the NFL. That there's too much money on the line, these owners, and clearly picking a coach, probably of any position in like high-level business, you know, in a billion-dollar industry, is the most difficult in the sense that, and maybe it's like this with any CEO, you know, of a company.

But I would say in most companies, I can quantify what that guy has done as the CFO, as the lead sales guy. Like, there are usually numbers to back it up. In football, like, especially lately, there are a lot of guys that have been hired just in the history of the league that hadn't been coordinators, maybe we're a coordinator, but worked on a team where the head coach was calling place. So it was impossible to kind of know exactly what he was doing. But one thing is clear

And there's a reason why I'm not that all in on John Harbaugh anymore It's why I'm pretty critical of Anthony Lynn Any raw it's why Zimmer The one thing I will say for Zimmer While he is old school At least he does something Like on game day Mike Zimmer calls the defense

So to me that is really important And if you're hiring a coach In 2019 he better call a side of the ball Preferably offense but if I am hiring a defensive coach, he better be my defensive coordinator. Because I think when you see, listen, in pro sports, it's about winning and losing. And an owner, if you could hire a dog to coach your team in any pro sport and they would win the championship an owner would.

Like, no one cares if you win. But to me, when you lose, that's when I judge you even more harshly. And I think I learn more about you. Like the Eagles lost on Sunday afternoon, but it's pretty clear. Doug Peterson go toe to toe with anyone as a play caller, and his team's ready to go. He doesn't need to give me a million new rotney speeches, need to bring like some Mountain Lion, you know, to a half-time speech, you know, bring some former Indian chief or just all the stuff like John Harbaugh does. That Anthony Lynn got his ass worked on some.

Sunday morning. And the game ends and the score was, I mean, you talk about hollow touchdowns in that game. That game felt like 50 to nothing at halftime. I think it was literally 35 to 7. I mean, an absolute massacre. And if I was Dean Spanos and hopefully, I would love Dean Spanos's bankroll. I would never aspire to think like him. I can't, I despise cheap rich people. I really have a bit. I'm talking like super, super rich people that are cheap. They just bother me. So hopefully if I was super rich and own an NFL team,

I would not operate like Dean Spanus. But if I was Dean, like if I'm Jeffrey Lurie and I go toe to toe with the Saints, on the road, who are the number one seed, I take away there. I learned more about Doug Peterson in their one playoff loss these last two years as much as I learned in any of the playoff wins.

I mean, you get a guy that can go just big-time coach. And he's calling the plays. He's coaching, he's getting his team ready, prepared mentally and physically. Like, that's what a coach looks like. When the Chargers season ends, I go, what did Anthony Lynch just do in that game? He doesn't call the offense. He doesn't call the defense. Like, that's my problem with these raw, raw coaches.

Like John Harbaugh, he's running through coordinators every stinking year. because he doesn't know anything about offense. And he keeps his fingers crossed that he gets a good defensive coordinator because he's not a defensive coordinator either. Like at least, if I'm going to hire a guy, so I get like the Kingsbury's, the LaFloors, I don't love all these hires, gays, Ariens. And I know Ariens quote unquote say he's not calling the offense,

but like don't get a twisted. He's running those meetings. I want my coach to call the plays. I want to know what he's doing. If I was a fan in my coach, and listen, Belichick's an outlier, he knows everything that every player's doing on every play. I don't think Anthony Lynn would know their offense of playbook, you know? Like, I mean, seriously.

Like, know the whole thing like the back of his hand. No chance. Like, they go as far as Rivers and as Wizard Hut take them. And that's my issue with, like, a coach like that, you get blown out and you think to yourself, what did he really do? Like the Ra Ra speeches in January and football becomes the ultimate chess game. And obviously Belichick's the best ever, so I didn't even really expect them to win, though I picked them.

But if you're going to get to the second and third round of the playoffs, you've got to be at least able to hang with Bobby Fisher on a chessboard. Doesn't mean you're going to beat him. But if you can't, like, if you look at Anthony Lynn on Sunday morning, he was sitting there with Bobby Fisher and he might as well just throwing me across the table. I don't even know what a pawn is. I don't even know where to put it. Adjustments?

He can't adjust. He doesn't set the plan. Like Doug can constantly adjust. Sean McVeigh can constantly adjust. That would be my question mark with Jason Garrett. Like, what did he really do? You're not calling the offense. He's not calling the defense.

So when I get into a match or, you know, into a situation in a game where I'm outmatched, like Belichick can constantly hit you with a counter move. Sean McVeigh can tweak things. Same with Andy Reeves. speed. Same with even Pete Carroll can slightly adjust. What's Anthony Lynn going to tell his coordinators? You know, keep trying, guys.

Win one for the Gipper. I mean, it's just my coach, Doug Peterson, look at all the goches that you left this offseason impressed with. I know the Colts got their ass kicked. But Frank Wright calls the place. So you go, you know what, luck had a bad game.

They ran into a bus hot arrowhead. I mean, football gods were bound to give them a win at home. At least I know Frank Wright brings up to the table. Andy calls the place. McVeigh calls the place. Jason Garrett claps. And I like Jason Garrett more than most, but I don't like my head coach not to be doing one of those two things.

Not in today's day and age. Not with the amount of money that's on the line. Not with how smart all these coaches are. I mean, Anthony Lynn, it was like took a dull butter knife to fight the SEAL Team 6. Like, good luck, buddy. I mean, Belichick, you know, if it was a war, Belichick would have killed him within the first two minutes. It wasn't even a fair fight. In the afternoon, Sean Payton, who is clearly one of the best offensive coaches the NFL has ever seen,

and their team's really good, they got a Hall of Fame quarterback. I mean, had to empty the tank against an Eagles team that had a rash of injuries. I mean, their best offensive linemen tears the Achilles. Their best defensive lineman disappears for half the game, Fletcher, Cox. They're playing with their backup quarterback, and they're just going toe for toe, blow for blow. I mean, that's what I want out of a coach. So when you hear me say, these meathead guys, this is what I'm talking about. If you're not calling a side of the ball or don't have a long history of doing it, like Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick, and those guys are outliers,

like, it's been the downfall of John Harbaugh these last five or six years. What's his true adjustments he making in halftime? I know what Doug and McVeigh... It's why I'm even even bullish on like Kyle Shanahan. When Jimmy Garoppolo's played, Kyle Shanahan's 6 and 2. I know he's a dynamic schemer. That's why I love the Bruce Ariens, you know, hire. He's a dynamic offensive schemer.

That's what I want out of a coach. That's what every owner wants out of a coach. Now, again, a lot of these hires are not going to work, but I get why Tweaker Adam Gase, you know, I don't know if you guys saw the press conference, but just Google it. I mean, he had some weird eye movements. I get what the Jets are doing.

you're getting a guy that can work with your quarterback and calls the plays on Sunday. Meatheads are going to get smoked every single time in the NFL when it gets to mid-January. Just look at the final four. You got Belichick, the smartest guy in the history of the league and the best coach. You got Andy Reed, one of the most innovative offensive coaches, and one of the most successful guys the last 20 years. Sean Payton's Super Bowl champ and like Andy, one of the true great offensive minds. And Sean McVeigh feels like,

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When he had a Pro Bowl level quarterback, I'm not talking about a guy who made the Pro Bowl like Alex Smith. I'm talking a legit Pro Bowl talent like Donovan McNabb. Do you know how many playoff games? Andy Reid was involved with in Philadelphia? 19. You know how many of those games he won? 10.

10 playoff games in his career in Philadelphia. 10. I just say that out loud. 10 playoff wins. For example, Sean McVeigh has one. Probably after this weekend, we'll still have one. Like, it's hard. Playoff wins are difficult to get.

You know, they are a challenge. And when he had elite, not elite be strong, a very good quarterback, he won games in the playoffs. His teams were a legit factor. Well, in the five games he had heading into yesterday in Kansas City, he'd only won one.

And some of those early teams on Kansas City, their defense was elite, Jamal Charles was still a baller, like they were legit. And ultimately, you know, Alex Smith was their starter. Now, I know that the Colts came storm back to one year, and Alex was arguably the best game of his career that game.

But the games that stand out to me are the Pittsburgh game at home a couple years ago when they lost. He just couldn't get it done. The game last year against Tennessee, when Travis Kelsey got knocked out, ultimately he was their downfall. When I look at this team and this Kansas City team offensively is unreal, but it's because of the quarterback. Like their team compared to like three years ago Chiefs' playoffs team is not a as good. I don't think. They're not as complete by any means. I mean, some of those,

you remember some of the teams that Coach Reed had in his first couple years in Kansas City? You know, Eric Berry, Justin Houston and Tomba in their primes, a younger Don Terry Poe, Derek Johnson, a young Marcus Peters, Jamal Charles, they got Kelsey, had a young Macklin, younger Macklin. Teams were stacked, you know. This team is just, It's Mahomes. I mean, you see what Andy is like when you give them a really good quarterback. I mean, they ran circles around the Colts, absolute circles. The Colts are good.

I mean, the Colts are a solid team. The Colts are going to be a Super Bowl contender for the next potentially five or six years. Andy backhanded them with a flawed team. Why? Because he has a superstar quarterback. You give Coach Reed a legit quarterback he's going to win games in the playoffs. Why? I have a resume. It says 10 playoff wins in Philadelphia.

You only had one in Kansas City. Guess what? That's about to change. Because Kansas City, their defense really can't get much worse. Their secondary can't cover anyone. The linebackers are meh. Their defense of lines good, but they are not a good defense. Imagine in a couple years as the defense gets better, like they're going to win big time with Mahomes.

Now, once Andy wins a Super Bowl, are we going to think that much differently of them? I personally won't, but Twitter and the media pundits and fans will. Like, he's been one of the most innovative head coaches in the last 25 years. He has been one of the more consistent coaches beside Belichick of that time. And when he's had a big-time quarterback, his teams have been a factor. And you know what, now that he has Mahomes, they are a factor. hand. And don't forget this either. Obviously McNabb and then Michael Vick.

He drafted Nick Foles. I was there. He liked him more than most of us. And obviously he got him in that building and Doug was around him and Howie and I mean all these guys played a role in drafting him too but once you're around Nick you're like God, that guy's a great guy. Like Nick Folles started

like Andy picked him. Like Andy's vision on quarterbacks. It's just crazy. Just stupid, you know? Like, I'm glad that Mahomes came along and is as good as he is, obviously just for our viewing pleasure as football fans. Because if you're not an AFC West fan beside the Chiefs, he's awesome to watch. He's box office. But he also makes Andy Reid look like he actually is.

An elite coach. A damn good coach. And Belichick has got him historically. But I do think it's his time. and it's not easy to beat Brady and Belichick, but at home, and we'll get into this game, especially a lot later this week. But he's too good of a coach to have this narrative

that he can't win the big game. Now, he hasn't won the Super Bowl, but he sure as hell has won playoff games. That's his 12th playoff victory. 12 playoff victories. Like the likelihood that McVeigh, Kyle Shanahan, and all these other

Shanahan McVey minions, ever combined for 12 playoff victories is probably a stretch. Like 12 playoff victories? I mean, it's pretty stupid. And if he wins this weekend, you'll have 13. Like that number with Mahomes is only going to rise. You know, as society changes, and many would say that we're getting softer. You know, I've only lived so many years, so, but I was raised by,

someone, my father passed last year. He was in his 70s. So he was a generation that went to Vietnam. And they were raised by a generation that fought in World War II. So I think it's fair. We're probably, on the whole, a little softer. But I also think, you know, it's one of the most consistent themes in life

that the older generation always thinks the previous generation's a little softer. Now, I do think the millennials, we have a little less peltz on the wall than some of those when they were growing up for sure. But I do think that one thing still rings true. In football, as in, you know, as someone that now kind of basically runs my own little media company, you know, in business you have to be mentally tough. And anyone that, you know, has any success financially will tell you, like it's all mental games. Now back, I would say, like when my dad was growing up, you could have a lot of, you could have a

lot of success in business just by being a tough guy, just by out tough. And I'm not talking like the mob, but just I knew multiple people growing up that were millionaires that did not have a high school diploma. They never even went to college because you could just be a tough minded SOB and just outlasts and outwork people. Now the games changed a little bit in 2019, but I still believe the most successful people. Like, you don't need to be physically tough in most. jobs, but you do need to be the

men, you know, usually the guy at the top of the pyramid in any organization is mentally a little tougher. I do think with football, one thing that still rings true as the rules change, as we talk about CTE and hitting in the head and all that crap,

which should be talked about. But when you watch these playoff games for the last two weeks, you better be a team that is as physically tough as any in the NFL the last, to even have a chance. Like, the wussification of football, if you're a soft team, you're going to get steamrolled. You really are.

And, like, the Chief's team that I just saw on Saturday afternoon, or when, I guess, yeah, Saturday afternoon was not like the Chiefs team we had saw most of the year. Like, they brought a physical edge to them. Like, you see the New England Patriots? Shove around New England, or excuse me, San Diego, as I like to call them, the Chargers. I refuse to call them L.A. Like the Dallas Cowboys, who were really physical got shoved around. Like, there's a reason the Eagles hung because they were physically tough.

Like being physically tough in a day and age, like speed matters a lot now. Being able to spread it out on offense matters a lot now. But when you have to, and I'll give the Cowboys credit for this, like you better be able to get a fourth and one. Like in January, you might need to get a fourth and one in the second quarter of a game just to stay in it. And tough teams get fourth and one. ones, not always the smartest teams. Because for the most part, I know what you're going to run.

And it shouldn't matter. Like there is still an element of football, you know, in a two-point play, in a short-yarded situation, where even if you know what's coming, it shouldn't matter. I'm just tougher than you. There's still a point in January football, and this game, you know, on Saturday in Arrowhead supposed to be freezing. Like, you better be a tough SOB to play in that game. Whoever wins Saturday or Sunday,

afternoon, Sunday night, for you on the East Coast, like, you ain't playing in 10-degree weather and not being a tough team. So in this day and age where all these teams are looking for speed and are looking just for sexy stuff, like, you better be tough. Like, there's a reason that the Eagles could hang. Because even on offense, like Zach Ertz, I know Alshan dropped the ball, but those guys are going over the Golden Tate going over the middle of the field Michael Thomas just breaking tackles Julian Edelman running guys over

Travis Kelsey just like even the sexiest offensive players we're making physical plays and then defensively you better have a throwback unit up front like if you don't have a great front in football I don't care how much the games change you will not win in January

if you don't have a good defensive line you won't win if Belichick's not your coach You know, like, even if you're a tough team, and I thought the Colts were tough, I thought the Chargers were tough team, I thought the Cowboys were a pretty tough team, like those were tough teams. They got out toughed. So the level of physicality in the playoffs, every yard is contested, especially in a close game. You know, sometimes in blowouts, it just, you just get hit. They just hit you with a Mike Tyson shot. But as we saw it, like, that was the one reason the Cowboys didn't quite go away because they are a physically tough team. Like, these soft teams in the NFL, you look at any team that just has, like, the Giants. Like, they're too soft to turn it around overnight. You got to be more physical. You know, you look at, like, the Browns are going to be a team that a lot of people are going to pick. Are they physical enough?

Like, are they physical enough? That would be my question mark. That's kind of been the Steelers downfall. They're so sexy on the outside, can they really just kind of throw back and hit you in the mouth? Now they have in the past, this year they didn't. It's usually the downfall of talented teams. There's a team in the Bay Area that a lot of people are going to pick to probably bounce back with Jimmy Garoppolo comes back.

They better get a lot more physical because they are not a playoff level team when it comes to toughness. They don't have it, and that's being the 49ers. You've got to win up front in the playoffs. You've got to have guys that are just willing to take people's heads off. and that might not sound PC in this world, but I got news for you. Defenders, they're not trying to injure anyone, but they're trying to inflict pain. That's still, you know, the most basic level, the premise of the sport of that side of the ball.

I'm trying to tackle you and hit you hard, so you think twice about doing that again. And some offensive guys, the best ones, in the big moments, you can lay them out and he's going to keep coming. Like to me, Julian Edelman had a, I'm a champion multiple times over. This is what I bring to the table type playoff game. That was like, wow. Larry Fitzgerald was always, this is playoff, his physical. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise. Breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source,

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CJ Anderson's a good example, even chubby C.J. Anderson. That guy's been in the podcast. playoffs, knows the level in which it takes. You know, that's what makes the Chief so impressive. They're more quarterback-driven, but, you know, clearly the Patriots have it. And the Saints are kind of built like that too. Softness does not translate in January. It's why I think you've seen the Steelers struggle so much the last four or five years

get over the hill. You got to, there's a throwback element to the sport, especially these games that are played outside. in freezing cold temperatures. Would you want to get hit in 15 degrees? Like, I live in the Bay Area. It's been like 50 the last week. It's freezing.

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You know, I think everything that's been said about the Patriots dynasty has been said. I mean, it's never happening again. This is their 13th championship game. Their eighth straight. I mean, these are no team in the rest of my life to hope I live 50 more years is going to eight straight championship games. It's just not happening. Because also the likelihood that you would have that many, they've had the first round by. you know, all those years.

So the likelihood that you're always going to be a one or two seed is just, they have benefited from the division, but that's not why they're great. They're great because of Belichick and they're great because of Brady. It's the all-time combo. As someone texts me yesterday, early on in the game, they said, what the hell are the Chargers doing? Trying to get into a scoring match and a shootout with the Patriots in Foxborough.

Why didn't they attempt to control the clock and keep the ball out of Brady's hands? You played right into Belichick, Tom and Josh. It was not a fair fight. It was, Belichick put a clown suit on the charters. That was an embarrassing effort. It's one thing right to get your ass kicked. It happens in pro sports.

Michael Jordan's got his butt kicked. Montana's got his butt kicked. It happens. But when you have the more talent, team on paper and in reality and to have that team be up 35, 7 and half, in a game where, listen, did the Chargers have to win? No. You know, Philip Rivers, Brady owns him, and his career is going to go down with a major question mark because he's probably never going to win anything in the championship. And it's somewhat defined also by their owner that's

cheap. But to be down 35 to 7 and half in a game, when your team is that good, is unacceptable. and that's on the coaching staff. 1,000% like that game plan was an embarrassment and Brady and Belichick and Josh just ran circles around it.

It was too easy. You cannot give them the dump-down pass all game. Because they will take it. They will check down for, you know, five yards at a time until they score a touchdown

and have a seven-minute drive. And they just gave it up. it just made no sense to try to get in some shootout against this team when the one thing the Patriots kind of have on defense is a really good secondary I mean they have an all pro corner McCordy's been through the ringer you know and Belichick that's kind of his bread and butter he's a DB coach at heart so for them to come out and try to get into a shootout

and it backfires immediately and this was my knock back to what I talked about earlier zero adjustment they have no other pitch. They're basically the Chargers coaching staff was like a pitcher that throws 98. And when a batter can't time it up,

you're like, oh my God. That guy is throwing gas. You can't touch it. Well, I've also seen 98 Giants fan, a guy named Hunter Strickland, throws it right down the middle of the plate. And when you time it up, Harper's done it a couple times.

The ball goes about 700 feet. And if you're playing it, it's now, actually called Oracle, that ball goes into the water. If you're playing wherever, that ball goes over the fence. And the Chargers had one pitch, and Belichick, they had that pitch timed up by like the second swing. And then it was a home run derby. And when you as a coaching staff in the second round of the playoffs do not have a curveball, have a change up, anything else to throw at him, and immediately you realize, like,

this game plan's not going to work, to me, Belichick's greatest strength. he will come in, they'll work all week, and it will not work. I was talking to someone in the NFL today, and I told him, you know what I think Belichick's greatest strength is? He's one of the great, he's an all-time football whore. Meaning he will do whatever works, whatever works on offense or defense. He does not care. If he thinks it works or he's seen it work against a team,

he will implement it and coach it up and figure out how to work it. A lot of coaches won't. like Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVeigh, they have a staple on offense. What's the Patriot staple on offense? Scoring points? I mean, if you're giving them the run game, they'll run it down your throat.

If you're giving them the deep passing game, they'll deep pass you to death. If the play action works, they'll go play action. Like, they have no offense. What is their offense? I mean, score touchdowns? What is their defense? 3-4-4-3?

They are not defined by anything. Like, you know exactly what the Chargers are. And when they can't do it, they're screwed. That's the great thing about Belichick. Like, my pitcher analogy, like one day he looks like Randy Johnson, the next day he looks like Greg Maddox. The next day he looks like Jamie Moyer. The next day he looks like Trevor Hoffman. You never know what you're going to get.

You strike out all the time. That's why he win so much. You have no clue what pitch he's going to throw. Zero. Sony Michelle had been pretty terrible all season long. He's working. Keep giving him the ball. He's like a dude gets hot, like in basketball.

Just keep feeding him the rock. Brady is the great Eagleless quarterback we've ever seen Because like His numbers look good But he doesn't force anything It's never about him or his numbers It's just about the team

The numbers always come Because when you have a good offense And you're just moving the ball Like you're going to accumulate yards And touchdowns like But you watch Tom You never feel like You know he's forcing this

No, just lets it come It's why Winnie mistake makes a mistake, you know, it's kind of eye-opening. When he makes like a terrible mistake, as he did a couple times this year, it's jaw-dropping. But the one thing you saw in that playoff game is he ain't making mistakes. Not when it's nut-cutting time. You may beat him, but it ain't going to be because he chokes or is playing bad, you know, in the playoffs. You're just going to beat him, which happens.

This is the highest level of sports, the most competitive football league in the world. You know, I mean, the Chiefs might beat him by two touchdowns. It was because they got beat. Not because they weren't prepared. Not because they weren't ready. Not because, quote-unquote, Brady chokes. Like, if he throws a pick in the fourth quarter, it won't be because he choked.

It'll just because he made a bad play. Like, Rivers, like, was he even ready for that game? Like, I mean, was there off? Like, had they practiced? What have they been doing all week in Southern California? Like, you know, feeling themselves on the previous win against a quarterback that couldn't throw. That was an embarrassing win for the,

or a loss for the Chargers. And just a, not legacy defining, but just another pelt on the legacy that is the dominance of this Patriot run, because it was a four-point line for a reason. The Patriots are never, you know, a home favorite in the second round, and that game is not like seven to ten points. It was four points because the Chargers on paper,

were unreal. But the reality is that it didn't matter to Belichick. He's smarter than them. Brady's better and smarter. And they ran circles around them for 60 minutes. For 60 minutes. Don't get it twisted, those hollow touchdowns that rivered through at the end of the game. I know they're hollow because I was playing against a guy that had them on their daily fantasy team.

They were meaningless. The game was over at the end of the first quarter. And that's a testament to the dominance of the hoodie and Brady. Middlecoff mailbag. You can always slide up in my DMs and I'll answer questions here, right here on the podcast. At John Middlecoff is my Instagram handle. It's also my Twitter handle.

It's basically the easiest way to get a hold of me. Honestly, if you DM me on Instagram or tweet at me, it's probably, and I mean this sincerely, and anyone that knows me would probably agree, that is easier to get a hold of me, me than if you have my cell phone number. Now, unless you're, yeah, I mean, unless you're like calling, my mom, uh, sometimes a couple other business partners.

Otherwise, I'm probably not picking up. Um, just, you know, us young people don't pick up phone calls a lot. But, okay, let's start. With all the big dick Nick has done, I continue here people suggesting that we trade wents, which I think is crazy. I think he is one of, if not the best young quarterback in the league. As someone who has evaluated talent, what do you think are the top 10 quarterbacks

under 30? Also, is there anything Nick could do to make you trade wence? If you would have won the Super Bowl, it would have been I don't know, impossible to get rid of him, but he didn't. And he really didn't play that well. I had him on my draft Kings lineup. He started hot and then he wasn't very good in the second half.

He heated up on that last drive, but he missed. some, I wouldn't say layup throws, but definitely throws that he had hit before. And definitely throws that he had hit last year. So if I go my top 10 quarterbacks 30 or under, Wentz would definitely be on there. I'm going to go in no particular order. The two guys at the top are Luck and Russell, which I both think are 29. Then let's just fire through. I got the, I basically got the divisions up.

Patriots, dolphins, Buffalo Jets. So obviously the first two teams don't have a guy. I would not throw Josh Allen or Sam Donald in there yet. Ravens, I mean, Lamar can't throw. Steelers don't have one. I'd put Baker right on the fringe. Bengals don't have one.

Deshawn Watson in. Already said luck. Marriota, he'd be toward the bottom. I mean, to be in the top ten, and you could say this about Wentz, Here's the one thing about Wence. They made the playoffs two years in a row, and when a playoff game started, he was not available.

Like, that's a problem. Marriota now, I think, has finished three of his four seasons on the sideline. So, like, now, I'm not comparing Wens and Mariotto. Wence is much more talented. But hey, hey, Carson, you've been, as someone told me, he was hurt in high school, he's hurt in college, he's hurt again in the pros. I'm a huge Carson Wince guy.

His talent is undeniable. But God, he's got to stay healthy. Jaguars don't have one. I mean, Patrick Mahomes, shit. I mean, I don't know. Top three. He's up there, clearly. It's not even deniable.

I mean, he's had one of the great seasons. If he goes to the Super Bowl, even if you take out his age, which he's like, what, 23 years old, if you just subtract his age, he could be 32. You know, if you throw 50 touchdowns and then lead your team to the Super Bowl,

win or lose the Super Bowl, it's just one of the, great all-time NFL seasons. You know, he's right on the cusp right now, just being in the championship game. Chargers don't have one. Broncos don't have one. I'm a Derek Carr guy.

I don't think he played that well this year. He's definitely on the fringe of a top 10 under 30 guy. I'd put him in there because he definitely has the talent. Like, he has more tools than a lot of these guys. Mariotta, I'd have him ahead of all those guys. Dak, I'd have him ahead of. I wouldn't have him ahead of Wendon. Redskins Giants don't have one.

I'd put Carr ahead of Mitchell. Cousins, I think, is over 30. Rogers old, Stafford older, Bree's old, Maddie Ice old. Cam, I think, is 30. James just, I actually do think he can bounce back with Bruce Ariens, but he has not played well. He's had moments, and I watch a decent amount of Tampa. Like, when he's hot, they can score 21 points in a quarter.

But more than any other player in the league, it feels like, He can go a stretch where, like, four straight passes, three of them get picked. You know? It's like, James, what are you doing? Now, that should get fixed with the new bald-headed coach. Goff, yeah, I'd have him near the end. I think Jimmy is really good. And I'm a Rosen guy, but he hasn't really proven anything.

So, you know, I think it's pretty up for debate, that group. They haven't really separated themselves. Wensk can't stay healthy. Carr's kind of been up and down, and I thought he was a really talented. had won. Same with Jimmy. I think Jimmy's really good, but he started 10 games. He's been hurt twice. Like, part of being really good, like,

Brady doesn't miss games, right? Philip Rivers has played every game for like 15 years. Like, you got to, Drew Breeze, doesn't miss time. These guys got to stay healthy. You know, whether it's random, whether it's self-inflicted, whatever.

Like, you get paid in this league, and a lot of these guys are top picks. So, even if they haven't signed, their second deal, if you're the number one or number two or hell, a top 10 draft pick, you're getting like $15, $20 million. So they're still paying you a lot. You got to play. And a lot of these guys are not playing.

Let's see. Okay, poorly ran franchises are relatively easy to spot due to their dysfunction and lack of winning. Cleveland, Oakland, Detroit, Miami, for example. But better run franchise are harder to spot because it can be covered up by good coaching or quarterback play. Over the last 15 years, what would be? be your top 10. God, I'm getting a lot of top 10 questions. That's hard. Ranking the best NFL front offices. Okay, well, I think number one by a mile is New England. Number two, I think Seattle's had a

pretty unreal six or seven year run, right? I mean, this year was kind of a muscle flex, and they had a five-year stretch where it was mind-blowing. The Steelers are right up there. And he's kind of had two iterations of his career, but what he did in Philly, you know, with the Howie Rosemns, the Jason Lights, the guys that came through that are now GMs, other places, all the coaches that came through. So just kind of his umbrella. And I worked for Howie. I saw all the good talent he hired over the years. And now he's done it again, hiring Joe Douglas, you know, to run their personnel department. So I'd put Philly right up there for sure. I wouldn't necessarily put the Colts up there, though they've won a lot the last 20 years.

Like, to me, they are, now they're well-run with Ballard, but forever, it was just like Peyton and luck. And don't get me wrong, I mean, Polion's a Hall of Famer. But, so they were well-run, but those guys have been gone for a while. I put the Broncos up there, but I feel like they're kind of lost. I'll give Jerry some credit. Like, the Cowboys, the last seven or eight years, have been pretty well-run. Giants know the Packers

I mean they've produced so many general managers They've hit a rough patch But I mean they won for a long stretch of time for a reason But I think there's New England And then there's like a group or six or seven teams Philly slash Andy The Steelers That's about it

You know it's hard It just there's not many good ones You know There's a reason like The Eagles have made the playoffs like 16 times in the last 20 years. There's a reason the Steelers are always in the playoffs. Most teams are not consistently in the playoffs. It's really pretty nuts.

That's a pretty good question. Hey John, new listener, enjoy the podcast. Thanks. Giants obviously have a huge need at quarterback to fill. Although Dwayne Haskins is more of the prototypical quarterback and likely to have more longevity in his professional career, how much would the Giants consider drafting Kyler Murray if they did decide to go with a quarterback at 6?

Would an offense bolstering Beckham, Barclay, and Murray instantly be one of the most dynamic and unpredictable in the game today? I mean, you know, we make fun of like in the NBA league pass like back in the day when Steph Curry kind of hit the scene and the Warriors started rolling, everyone's like, oh, you got a league pass the Warriors.

If there was an equivalent of a league pass, and I mean there is the Sunday ticket, But if that was the trio, Kyler Murray, Odell Beckham, and Sequin Barclay, with, I'm a big ingram guy too. Like, wow. Yeah, I'd watch a lot of Giants games. That would be really fun. Now, listen, I'm sure we'll talk about Kyler.

I think officially today he declared for the draft, we kind of knew that was coming for a while. My only concern, and I'm not trying to sound like get off my line old school scout, but it really is going to be a challenge for as remarkable as an athlete as he is, and for a great as thrower as he is, because he is a natural thrower of the football, to play quarterback at 5-9. Like, if you were a betting man, and I said, let's say you were rich, like relatively rich, where you had, you had $50,000 cash, and you could bet on him succeeding or failing, you would be stupid to not bet on him failing, just because the odds of him succeeding at his

size. Like, if he goes number six overall, that would mean a guy at 5 foot 9 that played quarterback went 6. Like, it was crazy last year with Baker, but he was still a shade over 6, right? I mean, there is a big difference. You meet a guy that's six feet tall and a guy that's 5'9. Like, that's, you know, 6 is on the low, low, low end of height for NFL quarterbacks. Like on the statistical chart. Now, don't get me wrong. I would love to. see that. That would be, I'm all in. Like, that's really cool. That would be awesome. I just think when the dust settles, I think he's going to go in the first round for sure, but I wonder if this top 10 talk for a guy that's 5'9. And like, they have these things during the draft process

called the top 30 visits, meaning beside the combine, you can bring in in pro days and everything, you can fly 30 people into your facility. Like, it was a big part when I worked in the office for a couple years, you know, that period after the combine up until the draft, you bring in either character guys or, you know, mid-round guys you're interested in that may have some, you know, issues that you want to talk, whatever. You can bring in whoever you want, but you only get 30 of them. I would imagine he'll take, you know, 32 NFL teams, I bet he takes 20 visits. Because if you're going to convince an owner to draft this guy really high, they're going to want

to just see him in person. most owners besides like Jerry Jones don't go to the combine. So they're going to want to see this guy at their facility. And imagine if you're like, I'm just using this hypothetical, like the Giants, and you bring him to the facility and like the team's working out, like him walking on, he'll look really small. It's going to turn teams off. I'm just telling you right now.

Get ready for it. It's turning teams off. Not necessarily me, but I am a little apprehensive. I'm not, I can't push all my chips in the middle of the table. You can sell me and I came around I probably wouldn't have taken him one But I did believe that Baker Mayfield was a legitimate Top 10 prospect

So if you could take a guy 8, why didn't he just take your guy 1? But he was a prototypical Pocket court, he was like Drew Breeze If you liked him, you saw Drew Breeze Like if you like Kyla Murray You see Michael Vic but way smaller Now, as someone in the league told me He's way more accurate

So that's important I just think he's an all-time, like, scouting conundrum, you know? I do think there are some parallels to, like, eight years ago with Steph Curry. When people saw Steph, and it's different because Steph, while he's small, he's not like that, he's still six foot three. So even at the small end of NBA point guards, it'd be like if Steph, there was a Steph Curry in basketball that was five, ten. but could still, like, when everyone saw Steph Curry,

like no way he could really be this good in the pros. No way he's going to be able to shoot like that. And he did. I think everyone's going to try to talk to themselves out, like, no way he's really going to be able to see. And maybe there he's just really instinctive. Kyler is used to being small so he can see things that he shouldn't be able to see because he's, and granted at Oklahoma,

they had a big offensive line. You know, it's like Baker was small, but he played in front of big offensive line so he can see. And part of it is like he can't maybe actually see, but he's instinctive. Like Drew Breeze. Like Drew Breeze is throwing a lot of guys to just areas. You know?

And that's where I think if you're a Baker guy, you saw some flashes of Drew Breeze this year in his game. But it was kind of an easy comp because Baker was really accurate. Like who is Kyler Murray's comp? Now, you don't always need comps, but they do help. You know? Like when you say, I really like Devin White of LSU. I think we should take them, let's just say I'm like,

you know, a Raider scout at number four. I want to take this guy at number four. He reminds me of Roquan Smith. And he has, let's just hypothetically say he has similar measurements. It's easy to sell. When I go, I think we should draft Kyler Murray at number six. I'm a giant scout. Well, who does he remind you of?

Well, he doesn't really remind me of anyone, which is a positive, but it also can be a negative. They'll be like, well, he's just going to be some all-time outlier. and if he does succeed, he will be. I mean, that's just the case. That's just the reality. Okay. Is it just me, or did it look like luck's shoulder severely hindered in the Chiefs game?

No zip on his passes and every ball was in the dirt. I wonder if he benefited a lot this season. You know, I mean, they play in a dome. And the shoulder injury, you know, I can imagine that playing in that cold, I know it wasn't frigid cold, but it was cold. It had been snowing. was just hard for him to get loose because you're right, he was terrible.

I mean, he looked awful. And at the end of the day, if you're a Colts fan or even an NFL fan, like these guys in the dome, like if Drew Breeze had to go through Chicago to get to the Super Bowl, he probably wouldn't get there. You know, but he plays, like,

if they get a one or two seed, he's going to play home games. Like, as long as luck can get a one or two seed moving forward, he's not going to win many games at Foxboro at Kansas City, you know, at Baltimore, at Pittsburgh. but he might not have to. If he can win the South consistently

and get to 12 or 13 wins, they can play games in the RCA dome. That's what Peyton did. When Peyton finally got to the Super Bowl the first time with the Colts, he didn't do it at Foxboro. He did it the crazy comeback in the dome. You know, when Drew Breeze,

who'd they beat, the Vikings get the Super Bowl, they beat him in the dome. You know, if they go to Super Bowl this year, it'll be in the dome. So, yeah, I mean, luck doesn't have a great arm, but, you know,

I really think that that it benefits, especially with an injured guy and who doesn't have a great arm, it helps when you play in the dome. So yeah, that's a pretty good question. At John Middlecoff, you can hit me up whenever you want

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Coming down the home stretch here. So enjoy, now we enjoy draft talk and free agency talk. Like, I'm excited about that too. But, I mean, the funnest thing is the games. And we got three left. So let's do it, baby. at John Middellcoff, follow, subscribe, and keep listening. Talk to you soon.

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