The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Ezekiel Elliott, Aaron Rodgers, Cleveland Browns and Kevin Durant

Episode Date: August 8, 2019

 Colin explains why Jerry and Stephen Jones seem to be tag teaming Ezekiel Elliott, why Aaron Rodgers gets away with his attitude, why the Cleveland Browns are a circus, and the recent comments of Kevin Durant. Guests include Urban Meyer, Greg Cosell, Chris Haynes, T. J. Houshmandzadeh, and Jason McIntyre.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Veteran newsman John Goulai will be updating us on an NFL trade that's taking place today with the Browns and the Texans. It is so great to have you in. Let me start with this. I am really enjoying. I never knew that Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones were pro wrestlers, but they are tag team partners. One day it's Jerry banging on Zeke. The next day it's Stephen Jones banging on Zieg. Then it's Jerry banging on Zinc.

And then it's Stephen Jones banging on Zeeke. These guys are tag team partners. WWE, which by the way is coming to Fox very soon. Let me go to the first thing. Jerry came out. Remember that? And Jerry said, you can win Super Bowls without star running backs. And then Stephen came out and said a couple days later, you know, any money we give Zeke is just taken away from other cowboy stars.

And then Jerry came out yesterday and said Alfred Morris, the running back they signed, has the best. feel of any running back I've ever seen. And then Stephen came out later in the day with Rich Eisen and said, he won't call us back. Here's Stephen Jones. How often are you talking with Zeke's team these days? Very rarely. There's this perception out there about negotiations that, you know, there's these ongoing talks and they go on hours at a time.

And, you know, that's just not the case. You kind of set the boundaries of where you think it should be. And certainly, you know, they're all represented. represented by very sharp people, and they're trying to do the best for their client. And you kind of sit there and you stew on it and you think about it. You know, you're always trying to think of something that might bridge a gap. Okay. So remember, this is the latest thing.

It's a tag team partner. Jerry, you can win Super Bowls without great running backs. Stephen, you're just taking money out of Dak and Amari's hands. Jerry yesterday, Alfred Morris, has the best feel of any running back I've ever seen. and then Stephen Jones comes out later and says, nobody's returning our calls. We're not close. Okay.

So this is tag team and Zeke. Are they getting nervous? Are they getting anxious? Now, I've felt from the very beginning, Jerry and Stephen have been very shrewd with their public comments, but there is a reason they are going out in public. They are trying to put pressure on Zeke. And I think Zeke has two things going for him here.

And they're not the things that people think. Well, he's a great player. They need it. He's got two things going for him. number one, Jerry Jones is 76 years old. He doesn't want to waste another season. When you get older in life, you just don't have time to waste. When you're on the back nine of your mortality, you're not going to waste time.

You want to get things done. I can tell you, the older I get, the less time I'm willing to waste because I have less time on the earth. That's an advantage for Zeke. An older owner hasn't won a Super Bowl in a while. finally has a roster, he doesn't want to waste a season. And the second thing that I think helps Zeke is, in the division, Philadelphia is great, well-coached, Carson Wentz, and they have all their young stars signed.

But even out of the division, the NFC is loaded. I'll give you nine teams, not in Dallas's division, that I think are capable of making the playoffs. The Falcons, the Saints, and the Panthers, the Packers, the Bears, and the Bears. Vikings, the Rams, the Niners, and the Seahawks. That's just out of the Dallas Cowboys' NFC East Division. So I think those are big advantages.

The NFC is loaded. The division, Philadelphia, may be a Super Bowl favorite. Jerry is 76 years old. There is a reason that Jerry and Stephen on a daily basis are coming out and doing a tag team on Zieg. They're feeling it. This is not a time to not have all the ammo for the NFC East, the NFC with an aging owner. So I think it's a blast to watch. I think it's really fun.

By the way, Zique has shut it down. Zeeks's in Mexico. Zeek's not talking. Zeek's not calling. Does Zeek understand he has leverage here? Because this morning, when I see Stephen Jones talking and Jerry talking about how great Alfred Morris is, Cowboy leadership and getting a little tight, getting a little closer to games,

and getting a little anxious. Kind of feels like it this morning. Kind of feels like it. All right, let me shift to this. Aaron Rogers time. You know I think Aaron Rogers is great. But when the comparisons were made years ago to Tom Brady, I said, well, he's got a better arm,

but I think there are certain leadership skills that Tom has that Aaron does not have. I think Aaron's talented. He's more mobile. Maybe he's a better athlete. He's got a better arm. I'm not disputed. Of course, Aaron is thin skin and thinks I don't like him. I think Aaron's great.

It's one of the 10 best, 15 best quarterbacks in the history of the game I've ever seen, and I've seen all of them that matter. I'm not joking. Outside of Otto Graham, Johnny Unitas, I think I've seen most of the great quarterbacks. But it's interesting. Finally, another member of the media, sports media, NFL media, is recognizing what I'm recognizing. So pro football talk came out yesterday and admitted Aaron Rogers' criticism of joint practices,

which he did yesterday, amounts to criticism of his new coach Matt LaFleur. Pro football talk also acknowledged in the last two weeks, three weeks, Aaron Rogers has criticized his new coach twice. One, on the audible thing, he didn't love the restrictive nature of Matt LaFleur's audibles, and two, by coming out and saying, and this is what Aaron said in the last 48 hours, in regards to the Packers' joint practices with other teams, quote, I don't think live special team drills are smart. The kickoff especially is dangerous.

I just don't think it's the best use of joint practice. So what are you saying? This is essentially the equivalent to an eye roll to your coach. This is the equivalent of calling your coach stupid. If Tom Brady came out and said, you know, I think these joint practices, I think these special teams drills are not very smart. Would he say that about Bill? Would he question Bill's audible system?

This is the eye roll. two eye rolls before the season starts. By the way, isn't Jeff Saturday, former Packer, the one that came out and said, Aaron would roll his eyes at Mike McCarthy's play calls? Didn't Aaron Rogers lead the NFL last year and throwaways by a mile? Basically acknowledging before the play started, I hate it, I'm throwing the ball out of bounds. This is the gap that I've discussed for years, Brady and Aaron. Aaron is condescending.

Aaron goes public with it. Aaron takes shots at superiors. I don't control practice. It's not very smart. That's the gap. That is the gap. It's not talent. Aaron's got arguably more of it.

But, I mean, ask yourself, if you were a high school coach, you're a high school football coach, and your high school quarterback came out and said, yeah, I don't think these joint practices are very smart. the high school coach would go down and talk to his high school quarterback. If Tua came out in college, if they had college joint practices, and Tua, the quarterback at Alabama, said, yeah, I don't think these joint practices are very smart. Nick Saban would bring him into his office. The difference here is Matt LaFleur, the new Packer coach has to eat it because Aaron Rogers is a, you know, he's an icon. And he's rich and he's got a Super Bowl ring and he replaced Fav and he's idolized and he's worshipped.

And he, you know, mostly he's one of the great talents of our time playing quarterback. But make no mistake. These comments, thank you, pro football talk. These comments were essentially the equivalent, the audible comment publicly, and the special teams comment publicly. They're in eye roll, which is all I've been saying for years. Aaron's talented, but he's condescending. They did a study years ago at the University of Washington years ago about why couples get divorced.

It's not cheating. It's not money. money, they could predict with 99% accuracy why couples would get divorced. They would interview couples. They'd sit them down for a couple of hours. They'd ask the couples together all sorts of questions. And they could predict with 99% accuracy if they would get divorced. And do you know what the factor was that the social scientists or the psychologist could spot?

Eye rolling. Condescending. Not respecting your partner. That just led to a Packer divorce. And already in a relationship, we're not even to the preseason games yet, these are calm waters. Already, Aaron is doing what teammates have claimed he did with Mike McCarthy. Sometimes you've got to eat it.

You don't want to go public. You can tell your coach in private. But Aaron makes a point of going out, making it public, which essentially is kind of embarrassing your head coach. I don't want this system. This is stupid. why are we doing this? Those are private conversations.

So again, Aaron just got a divorce from a football coach. Throwways led the league, eye rolling in the huddle. This is what causes divorces in real life. And it's just nice occasionally that I don't have to carry the water for the criticism of Aaron Rogers in America, that he's not perfect. I mean, we're always willing to say Tom Brady's not very athletic. Tom doesn't get mad. He makes fun of that. On Twitter, he makes fun of that.

Does everybody have to say Aaron Rogers is perfect? Or can we acknowledge now more eye-rolling? Because that's all these quotes are. They're the equivalent of eye-rolling, which has been my primary criticism of Aaron for a decade. We've got a trade coming in the NFL. It just got finalized. I think it's very good for both teams.

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Cleveland didn't need three running backs. One of my criticisms of Cleveland is they got too many mouse to feed. When Kareem Hunt comes back, they're going to have Kareem Hunt, Nick Chubb. They don't need a third running back. They've already got more than enough tight end talent, wide receiver talent, running back talent, get some better offensive line talent. So I like to move by Cleveland. move off a running back, get a pick for next year, accumulate draft picks.

You can use them or you can use them for a trade to get a more veteran player later. Also, Houston is a very good football team. People forget this. Houston won the AFC South last year, not the Colts. Houston reeled off nine straight win. Houston got off to the bad start and was really good at the end of the year. This solves a realist issue for Houston. Okay, because this team's got great defensive line talent, great young quarterback,

superstar wide receiver. Now they have two very capable running backs. They have very athletic linebackers. Now Houston go out and solve your other issue. Left tackle. Trent Williams has been a very, very good Washington Redskin for a long time. He's the best player they have on their team. And he is adamant.

He will not play for them. And Trent Williams is a man. He is Washington's best player. And he's adamant. I'm not playing. Houston needs a left tackle. Okay, because they have the other components. Now they have two legit running backs.

Star receiver, athletic linebackers, star young quarterback, who I really like to Sean Watson, very good athletic linebackers. They need a dominant, imposing force on the offensive line. They've cobbled it together. It was putrid last year. Reports are it's better, but it would have to be. So I think for Houston, this is a win now move. This is a, we're close, and I agree with them.

I think Houston is close. Now, Houston doesn't have a history of winning those big games, especially away from Houston. But this is kind of a win-now move. Deshawn Watson's still on that young rookie contract. This is what we see, a trend going around the league, get young guys, quarterbacks on that roster, bring in players now and win. Cleveland's doing it with Baker Mayfield. Jets are doing it with Sam Darnold.

Rams have done it with Jared Gough. Cowboys have tried to do it last couple of years, not as much as I would like with Dak Prescott. All right, here's veteran newsman John Goulet. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So, Colin, we've all seen the disgusting pictures of Antonio Brown's feet,

which were reportedly damaged during a cryotherapy session where he didn't wear proper footwear. Yeah. You know, apparently if it's negative 200, you want to have clothes on. Yeah. ESPN Sal Pal Antonio reported that Brown has extreme frostbite, and there is no timetable for his return. Sean Hard Knocks, he practiced one day, and that was it. He can run really fast in a straight line.

Apparently anything more than that is too damaging to his feet. I don't know how there's extreme frostbite. I would think any form of frostbite is fairly extreme. How much of a problem is this going to be for the Raiders? He has to learn a new system. He has a new quarterback. There's all new receivers around him. And he's not camp.

Yeah, I mean, running back, you can be late to camp. Wide receiver, you should not. There's a reason Tom Brady takes his receivers in the off season to work. And those are the ones he plays with every year. This is a totally new system for him. Baker Mayfield came to L.A. to work with OBJ and Landry. Like the quarterback, this is like a trend in the NFL. A lot of the top quarterbacks go find their wide receivers.

They go on a vacation, work vacation. Right. And they work with their, they don't work with their running backs. They don't work. They work with their wide receivers because it's a timing position. So I think it is something. Well, and he's the kind of guy that he wants the ball, right? He's going to get upset if he doesn't get the ball.

How is Derek Carr going to trust throwing the ball if he doesn't have any rhythm with him? He's going to be more comfortable with Tywell Williams or, any of the other guys that they have. That's right. Tyrell Williams is in camp. He was the Chargers' third best receiver. He will now be the second best receiver. And because he's in camp and the timing, Derek probably trusts him more early in the year. So many people know if you're a fan of the show that you love Jets quarterback Sam Darnold and have always been a big fan of his. Bad news, though, he may have finally done something to make you mad. Oh boy. Darnold was asked to be a part of a video wishing Tom Brady a happy birthday,

which other stars Drew Brees and Deshawn Watson agreed to participate in, and Sam Darnold said no. He would not wish Tom Brady a happy birthday. He's your rival. Why would you wish? I totally love Darnold. By the way... Well, then you're going to like this quote.

Quote, I'm going to get every competitive advantage I can because he's going to do the same thing. He's the ultimate competitor. He's exactly where I want to be when I'm his age. To chase that, I can't be giving him anything. I absolutely love this. By the way, you think Baker would have turned it down? Of course not. It was free publicity.

Baker would have absolutely done it. Yeah, this is Sam Darnold's like, I'm not giving you. He has already looks at Brady as the enemy. He's not given Brady any luck. He's not playing any Tom Brady games. I totally agree with Sam Darnold. When I came into my business, I wasn't wishing my rivals happy birthday. I mean, outside of a car crash, I'm not rooting against them to get hurt,

but I'm rooting against my rival. Why would I go and pay homage to my rival? I'm not. If he says happy birthday, is that some advantage the Patriots are then going to have? It's not even an advantage. It's like I'm not going to be part of Tom Brady's festival. That's Tom Brady. Now, Drew Breeze, I get.

They both have Super Bowls. Their legacies are framed and intact. But this is why I love Sam Darnold. Doesn't go out partying on his birthday. It's not on Instagram. Does not have a Twitter account. He is not... Go look at the history of great quarterbacks.

They're generally what I would call low profile for their position. You don't hear about Jared Goff. Considering how big Brady is until two years ago with his documentary, you never heard about him in the off-season. I love it.

I don't think Donald could do anything to upset you. Not at this point. I'm pretty sure. Unless he goes full-on Baker and crushes a beer can with his mouth. That's not who he is. It's not who he is. And finally, Alabama fans and even Alabama staff have often used the grind of playing in the SEC as an excuse for weak out of conference schedules or losses late in the season.

Clemson head coach Dabo Sweeney, he is not buying it. He told ESPN, well, they won by an average of 33.1 points per game, so they ought to be well rested. My thing is that are you serious? They're tired. Then you look at Clemson, we won 12 games by 12 games by. 20 plus, who really challenged Alabama in the SEC? They didn't get challenged by anybody until the Georgia game. Thank you very much, Davosweeney.

Alabama is 26 and 1 in the last three years against the SEC. They're one and two against Clemson. Right. Alabama, Nick Saban made a decision in year four at Alabama. In year four, he lost three games. He decided that was like seven years ago, I'm not going to go on the road out of conference. I'm going to manipulate the schedule. Alabama this year has only eight conference games. games, four cupcakes, and a buy.

Stop. And by the way, the SEC can be, it's a very, very athletic conference, but there's dysfunction in most of the good programs. Auburn hates their coach. Tennessee can't find the right one. Florida, what coach are you on? What off-field crisis do you have? LSU's got low Bama self-esteem. They're like Bama's little brother. They can't beat Alabama. Texas A&M, they had a cotton bowl win seven years ago. Tell me the last three or four big bowl games they've won. It's a conference with talent but riddled with average coaching and massive dysfunction. Missouri's

dysfunctional. A&M, I'm telling I'm being told again how great they'll be. So I agree with Davo, but let me just play the other side of it. Should he be the one criticizing conference schedule? Because remember, also like the SEC, the ACC only plays eight conference games and it's not like

Clemson has a lot of tough game in conference games at all. But Clemson didn't whine when they lost to Alabama. They just lost to Alabama. Every time Alabama loses a big game, there's an excuse. It's, oh, our players are tired, our coach. Clemson lost and they just kept

quiet. They didn't make any excuses. They're not talking about their schedule. But Nick has made, and I like Nick, but for the last seven, eight years, Nick has manipulated the schedule, only eight conference games. And again, stop telling me how great

everybody is in the SEC. No, Bama's great. Georgia can never beat Alabama. Okay, that's the second best team. The SEC, fact, in the last three years, Alabama is the only SEC team with a winning record against top 25 teams. That's it. And most of them, most of them are like severely under 500. Yes, if you took Alabama out of the SEC today, most people would say, I like Georgia. Show me all the great Georgia wins in the last 25 years. They're talented. They've always been talented. almost beating Alabama.

Yeah, they almost beat Alabama every year. Well, Clemson does beat them two to the last three times they've played. Veteran newsman, John Goulet. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. I've got to go in a rant here.

I'm a believer that when you raise young people, you've got to be careful about missing steps. I've said this about the NBA before. this insistence that you find a high school basketball or an AAU player, one year of college, get him to the NBA, you're skipping steps. The maturity process of college. You're going to tell me a 19-year-old wouldn't be better with one more year of Roy Williams or Mike Shosheshefsky or Jim Beheim or Bill Self or Mark Few or Jay Wright?

Of course he would be. We're skipping steps. That's why Adam Silver says the commissioner of the NBA, all my players are unhappy. That's why there's so many buss in the NBA. You're skipping too many steps, a maturity step. College is where we all grow up. It's where you grew up. It's where I grew up.

I learned how to make my own dinner, make my own budget, make my own class schedule, had to figure out how to use time efficiently. College was valuable resource. Even though not a lot of the classes did anything for my career, it was a maturity stage, a maturation stage. You can't skip steps in life. When you see these child actors in Hollywood that all turn out to be losers, They skip steps.

They need to go to summer camp. They need to be a kid. I don't want a seven-year-old to be on a movie set. That's why so many of the child actors are trained wrecks as human beings by 25 years old. They're skipping steps. Let a kid be a kid. Let them go to hang out and be on an inner tube on a lake and go to a birthday party and eat too much candy and chocolate and getting a fight with his brother and his sister

and, you know, a normal process for a kid to be a kid. Their brains don't even form until they're like 24 years old. That takes a boy's brain 24. So skipping steps is generally, you can succeed initially, but over time, you will pay a price for it. So there's an article in Yahoo Sports, and it just made me laugh yesterday. I'm not going to pick on the writer. But Freddie Kitchens is now managing the Browns with lessons he learned from Nick Saban and Bill Parcells. Okay, time out.

he spent one year as a grad assistant with Sabin at LSU and one year as a tight-ends coach with the Cowboys with Bill Parcells. He's not exactly a disciple. He spent 11 years with the Arizona Cardinals. That's his resume. That's his coaching experience. But what worries me about Freddie Kitchens is, and I'm not saying he can't succeed, but this article insinuates that he got great tutelage from Sabin and he got great tutelage from Parcells.

In fact, his general manager, John Dorsey says, one of the things I had to be able to dolege from Sabin. says, one of the things I admire about Freddie Kitchens, he's got no ego. Well, Parcells does. Nick Saban does. He has nothing like those guys. But what I worry about Cleveland is that Freddie Kitchens missed steps. Okay. Cincinnati hired Zach Taylor, and people said, that's ridiculous.

That's a terrible hire. Who is Zach Taylor? Zach Taylor had been a college offensive coordinator, and an interim NFL coordinator. Then studied under the smartest young coach in the game, Sean McVeigh. Then he got an NFL job. He didn't skip any steps. People think Sean McVeigh of the Rams, he was like the new hire.

He came from nowhere. No, he was an assistant position coach in the NFL for a year. He was a position coach in the NFL for three years. And then he was an offensive coordinator in the NFL for three years. Then he got the head coaching job. And he's like the guy that's considered a meteor, a rocket to a head coaching job. Not to mention he had relatives who were in the NFL, so he hung out in the San Francisco 49ers offices when he was a teenager. Big advantage. Freddie Kitchens did not.

Kyle Shanahan is considered, and I think Kyle's as good a young coach, including Sean McVeigh as the league has. Kyle Shanahan was a coordinator at four different teams. Okay, Jim Harbaugh, he was a played in the NFL, most valuable position quarterback. Then he was a position coach in the NFL. Then he got a small college head job and then a bigger college head job. And then he went to the NFL. They didn't skip steps. Nick Saban was a defensive coordinator in college.

Then he was a defensive coordinator. And then he got a college job. Then he got a small college job at Toledo, then Michigan State, then LSU, then NFL, then Alabama. there's no step skipping. Freddie Kitchens, ain't there have been a coordinator? Last year, he was a running back coach for Cleveland, who is now the head coach.

I'm not saying it's impossible. I do think their roster is really good. I think Baker Mayfield is going to run most of that offense, but Baker's a kid and Baker needs tutelage and Baker needs guidance. That's just a reality for Baker. so does Sam Darnold, so does Josh Allen, so does Josh Rosen, so does Lamar, Jackson, so does Mitch Trebisky. So, but I am a, I see this all the time. When I used to work at my former employer, I was in local TV and radio for almost a decade and a half before I got to my former employer.

So with the time I got there, I had a game plan. I had a person, I mean, I had, you know, I knew exactly day to day what my brand was, what my belief system was. I always tell young broadcasters, don't be in a hurry to get to the network at 25 years old. Go make a bunch of mistakes. You're skipping a bunch of steps. Go to Midland, then go to, you know, Ann Arbor, and then go maybe do weekends in Detroit, and then maybe a weekday job in Chicago. And then you can go syndicated.

Stop rushing to get the big job. You're skipping a lot of steps. So when I see this article on Freddie Kitchens to manage combustible Browns with lessons learned from Nick and Bill Parcells, First of all, combined, you work for him for two years. One is a grad assistant. His reality is Arizona, where he had a bunch of position and never a coordinator. And John Dorsey, because he doesn't want pushback from his coach, that's John Dorsey's personality. That's why he and Andy Reid did not get along because Andy Reid pushed back on John Dorsey.

So Andy Reid got him out of the facility. John Dorsey hired a kid to, to me, skip steps. And I think if you look at camp so far with Freddie Kitchens, I don't think he's done a bad job. and I'm rooting for him. I'd like to see the Browns not be man overboard. I think they'll be good, nine and seven, but don't kid yourself. This is a hard team to manage.

OBJ, Baker, youngest roster, high expectations. And the very quiet Pittsburgh Steelers down the street are just sitting there looking and rolling their eyes at the circus on a weekly basis. Cleveland is delivering to us the media. All right. Good stuff. Joy will be back sometime next week.

So will I. Tomorrow's off. John, I'm going to take one of my last Fridays off of the summer. I've taken a couple Fridays. I like how you're teasing. Like, don't worry, Joy will be back. We don't have to hear from that guy again. No, I'm just saying we're Fridays in the summer, we tend to scale back a little bit.

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So they don't have any good young players outside of Corey Davis either. So I think young players are good. I think Cleveland's number one, by the way, Colts number two, Chiefs number three, Houston number four. I like all those teams. Those teams are all winning records. record teams. I mean, I think Kansas City could go 13 and 3. I think Indian Kansas City could be, you know, like 13 win teams. But a lot of them are not very good. That's why they have all a young talent because they've been bad and they got good draft picks. All right. Big Noon kickoff

is going to debut August 31st. That's going to be Urban Meyer, Richie Bush, Brady Quinn, Matt Liner, Rob Stone. Urban Meyer, three national championships, 12 and 3 in bowl games is part of that show and he is joining us now via the Coward Global Satellite Network. Right, let's start with this. So we get into camp, coach. How long, is it easier for a coach at this time of the year to spot your weaknesses or to spot your strengths? What jumps out in the first three weeks of practices?

The, oh, my God, we're in trouble here. Oh, my Lord, we're really good here. You know, I was at practice the other day and the transition or the difference between training camp many, many years, even 10 years ago to now, five years ago to now, that these players are actually been getting coached all summer. So it's a much different training camp than I remember. There's no more two-a-day practices. Most of the fundamentals have been worked on all summer. You're not trying to get them in shape because they've been here all summer. And for most teams, and I know Ohio State and a lot of teams have worked on scheme all summers. So you have a pretty

good feel going into it. Right now, I would say, especially because you've been around your players all summer. As long as you stay healthy, you have a pretty good indication what kind of team you have. And the one challenge you have is what kind of toughness is there? Right. Practice is a change. You know, you don't just see the physicalness that you used to see just because health of players and you want to make sure you get them to the dance or the first game. When you were at Ohio State, did you, I mean, the rest of us were fans. We kind of look at a schedule and we go, okay, these games feel like ours, these games are trouble spots.

how do you focus on the moment and the practice when you know your players can go to the internet look at schedules do you struggle with that nowadays the social media aspect creating urgency when everybody's always looking ahead absolutely especially a place like ohio state where the social media and just media in general you build players up they're highly recruited players when actually haven't done a whole lot and so i would always my my approach was is make practices as hard as possible I used to tell them, I said, if you're worrying about anything other than survival and making it to the next day, because we were going to practice really hard. So that was my way of – same thing during the season of practice.

That was our way of making sure that there is focus and intention on detail and win the moment now, not worried about down the road or who you're playing. So when you're at a program like a Clemson, like Ohio State, Alabama, Oklahoma, Georgia, where you're going to be favored in maybe all your games or maybe up to one, That's the approach that we had, and that is certainly a concern. By the way, speaking of concerns, players do have more power today. I mean, the world we live in has changed, as you said, you don't have two a ways, two a days, players don't hit as much.

I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. I think it's just a new challenge for coaches. You and I were to dinner not long ago with Tom Izzo, and he talked about players transferring and players leaving early and how it's harder to build culture. There's a little bit of momentum. Jim Harbaugh talked about it this week about players skipping bowl games. Do you worry about that going forward for the sport? I worry about it big time.

I remember Denzel Ward came to me a couple years ago before the Cotton Bowl, and I really heard about it. I never had to deal with it. This certainly isn't an opportunity to say that I disagree with them because when you start talking about Nick Bowes and top ten picks, like Denzel Ward, and I hate to say this, but I understand it. I'm not necessarily agree with it, but I certainly understand it. Am I worried about the non-playoff bowl games, and we were very concerned.

We went to the Rose Bowl. Are you kidding me, Ohio State going to Rose Bowl? Only second time in the last 25 years, the legendary bowl game. And I was very concerned that when we didn't make the playoffs, that we had a players sit out. We did not have that. I know other teams had at times, even the New York, New Year's six bowl games, the big bowl games, players would sit out.

That's very alarming to me. And not necessarily about the future of the game, but I mean, that's something we have to be aware of. And it just, it's when you say the word team, you know, finish what you start. And so I'm very concerned about that. Yeah. By the way, Dabo Sweeney, I think he's incredibly likable. Maybe it's the Southern Twang.

I think everything Dabo says makes me laugh. I find him incredibly likable. And yesterday he came out. And I don't think he, it was really, the way he said it was incredibly charming. He said, Alabama was tired. That's why they lost to us. They won their games by 33 points. We won ours by 20.

You couldn't be tired. You had six weeks to prepare for it. But I do think he underscored an issue I have. And this is not to pick on Nick Sabin, who I think we both think is an amazing coach. And I like Nick. I've talked to him many times. But I do think there is this theme constantly that the SEC is so great that, oh, Lord, you can't play a ninth conference. game. You've got to have buys. You've got to play cupcakes. Is it possible you can be two things at once?

You could be the best conference, but we could be overstating how rigorous it is in the SEC. There's no question. I spent six years of my life in the SEC. There is an absolute truth, though, that from the top to bottom, that is the best conference. That's, you know, you don't have a gimmie. You know, a game that you think that you're going to go in, you just roll out the ball, and you're much better than that team. That's very rare in that conference. When you start thinking about teams that maybe have struggled in the past, every one of them are very talented players. You know, they're in the talent-rich part of the country. So I see it.

At times, I put it more on the media than the coaches that you build up a conference to be the best there is, which there's a lot of truth of that. However, we also know there's other truths. You've got to go play that bowl game. And, you know, that's why they keep score at the end of the game. If one team's better than the other, that's who wins. Yeah. The one thing I always felt, you know, I mean, let's be honest, Urban, the Big Ten, you can get popped in that conference. I saw you guys go to Iowa a couple years ago and struggle.

There was a game against Purdue, so it's not like the Big Ten. I mean, let's be honest about it. You're the dominant, you were the dominant coach in the Big Ten for years. You got trapped a couple of times on Saturdays, but I don't think we look at the Big Ten as as dominant as the SEC. But I'll tell you this, Urban, I think the coaching in the Big Ten now is very good. And I think you could, you probably would admit that there were Saturdays that you were half time of a football game and thought, we're in trouble here. Could I not say the Big Ten coaching is better than the SEC coaching, which I believe it is today?

I think that's a great question. I haven't coached in the SEC in quite a while. However, I have coached in the Big Ten. And if there's a better coach conference in the league in the nation, you know, I'd like to have that conversation. I just think top to bottom. the Big Ten made a decision in 2012 when I first won in the league that the league really

made a, you have to give the administrators credit the league made drastic changes. They put more emphasis. Just look at their seven teams in the preseason top 25 in the Big Ten. Recreaning has really taken off over the last few years. There's investments in the stadiums and these

huge arenas in the crowds and so you have to give, first of all, Commissioner Laney, but the higher ups in our conference, I just notice a complete transition from 2012 to 2018-19, where you're seeing a commitment to become the best league in America. Okay, by the way, the kid, you're the last guy I'd want to replace. Ryan Day replaces you at Ohio State. What will be the difference between an urban camp and a Ryan Day camp? Well, I was out there. It's very similar. I think I use the term

elite whenever I talk about Coach Day. Practice schedules are very similar. Staff transition on defense. There's a lot of different coaches. Offensively are very similar. It's very similar. I think there's a culture at Ohio State that is going to carry on. I think Ryan's going to add his own piece to it, and he's already done it. He can see that, and I think he's very confident the way he goes about his business. So to answer your question, I see it being very similar. All right. Well, Urban, you look rested. You're not going to look as rested in a month when we're putting you to work and you got to watch 35 games on Saturday, so it's great seeing you again. Well, I'm looking forward to it, thanks, Colin.

You bet. Urban Meyer, big noon kickoff, Saturday 11, Eastern on Fox debut is Saturday, August 31st. You know, listen, you can be two things at once. You can be the best conference in college football, and you can be overstated. What the SEC is because of its intensity is wildly dysfunctional. Wisconsin football is never really dysfunctional. LSU football, Ole Miss, Auburn, Tennessee, A&M. I mean, Florida, when's Florida not dysfunctional? So the SEC, I don't think, has the best coaches. I mean, look at how many SEC coaches have gone on to succeed in the NFL? Let's start with zero. Okay, the PAC 12, the Big Ten, you've had coaches leave those conferences,

go to the NFL and succeed, and the NFL's the best coaching. I don't think the SEC is the best coaching. And I think there's massive, because of the intensity and passion of the fans, there's massive dysfunctions, overreactions. So you can be the best conference. But BAM is 26 and 1. its last 27 games in conference, most by blowout. They're one and two against Clemson.

So let's not go crazy on how great the conference is. It has the most NFL bodies in it, absolutely. But when you add a lot of times average coaching and major dysfunction in athletic departments, that also brings it down to earth. Okay, that brings it down to earth. All right. Next hour coming up, Greg CoSell, Chris Haynes, rocking some Kevin Durant interview talk, and Greg's my guy.

Hour 2 coming up in L.A. live. It's The Herd. One more Herd? The Herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart Radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Ah, here we go, Hour 2 live in L.A. This is The Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. We're on IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Joy Taylor back on Monday. I got tomorrow off, so we are loaded today. Greg CoSell in five minutes. Chris Haynes sat down with Kevin Durant, long interview published yesterday.

He'll be on the show today. T.J. Hushmanzana, final hour and Jason McIntyre, tomorrow's headlines today. The last segment of our show on Thursday. I absolutely love that. So by the way, before we get to Chris Haynes in 45 minutes, he sat down with Kevin Durant. And Kevin Durant, remember when Kevin Durant got hurt and then he came back in the finals? What was the first reaction by the NBA media? It's the Warriors' fault.

They pressured him. It's the doctors. It's the training staff. NBA media, in my opinion, coddles its players. Because stars run the league and none of the reporters want to get ghosted by the top players. So they suck up to him. So when Kevin Durant got hurt, even though he's a grown man, the immediate NBA media reaction is

the Warriors made him play and the doctors made him play and bad training staff and Kevin Durant yesterday dispelled all of that nonsense and came out and said hell no the Warriors pressured me into getting back nobody ever said a word to me about rehab when the series started I targeted game five hell nah just happened it's basketball man

blank happens nobody was responsible for it so the entire narrative and that was the first reaction by the media that covers the NBA, which is coddle baby, protect the stars. This is why Adam Silver says our players are not happy. This is why therapists tell you don't

over compliment your kid. Because when they face crisis in life, they won't be able to handle it. Stop coddling the players. They're grown men. They love basketball. They want to play basketball. NBA media,

because they're beholden to a handful of really popular stars, Their initial reaction to anything is Cottle. Kevin Durant wanted to play. Wasn't anybody's fault. He wanted to play basketball because he's a basketball player. And by the way, the NBA media, I bring him on all the time. I like him.

But, I mean, that was just basically a nonsense take. Kevin said none of it. By the way, the other thing is, you know, this kind of leads into, I didn't think Kevin Durant took enough heat for leaving Golden State. He left for a weaker roster, less money, worse head coach, unknowns in the front office. Why would you do that? If Tom Brady left Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft five years ago, six years ago in his prime, because he wanted to be the man in Jacksonville, we'd make fun of him.

If Derek Jeter in his prime left the loaded Yankees to go to the Kansas City Royals to be the man, we'd make fun of him. We'd go, what an idiot. Kevin Durant left more money, current dynasty, great GM, better roster, amazing teammates for a bunch of unknowns for the second most popular team in New York. And basically it was like, well, he wants to be the man. It's not a good move from a business decision. It's not. We would crush Derek Jeter leaving the star-studded Yankees.

We'd mock Brady for leaving Bill Belichick. But again, everybody's petrified of offending the NBA. star. They're grown men. They make their own decisions. They can handle criticism. Kevin Durant. Nobody forced Kevin Durant to play. Kevin Durant's a man. He's like, by the way, he has his own doctors and trainers with the Warriors. They're like, go play. Sometimes injuries happens. Nobody's fault. They just happen. Guys get hurt all the time. All right. And with that, one of my favorite guys,

30 plus years at NFL films, Greg Kosell is joining us. on the phone today. Okay, so Greg, today we're going to look at two divisions in the NFL, the NFC East and the AFCE. So let's start with the NFC East, which is Philadelphia, Dallas, New York, and Washington. So let's start. You've looked at a lot of tape on the NFC East. People have said Zeke is crucial for DAC, but yet DAC was 7 and 2 when Amari became part of the offense. When you look at the Cowboys, are we understating the value of Amari Cooper to Dak Prescott?

Well, I think a really good receiver always helps. But I think, Colin, you have to talk about their philosophy and their approach. There are quarterbacks who will play well in any given system, but this is a system that starts with the running back. That's their philosophy of playing the last three years, basically since that's. got there. Now, he's been efficient at times within that system. There's other times he's not been efficient. Certainly, you add a quality quarterback, quality receiver, but what struck me is fascinating in watching a lot of tape over the summer of the Cowboys, particularly since

Amari got there, is they didn't necessarily feature him. In other words, they would often line him up as the X receiver, the single receiver to the boundary, the short side of the field. That is sort of the main receiver in offenses, they didn't automatically throw him the ball. I don't know whether it was a coaching thing. I don't know the answer to that. But I'd be very anxious to see how it plays out this year now that he's there through an offseason. Right.

But this team is not built or hasn't been for the last three years on the quarterback. The quarterback is a complementary piece. Yeah. We're watching some video of Amari Cooper. I do think some of that was he was injected into the offense mid-season. Now they've had an entire. offseason. I would think that Amari Cooper would be more, they would focus more in him. I would think so. He's very talented. Yeah. All right. Let's go to the Philadelphia Eagles.

I think they're my Super Bowl favorite. I do have questions about Carson Wentz and his health and durability. Do you, are the injuries avoidable or are they just happenstance with Carson Wentz? Well, I think, though, that the ACL is just one of those things that happened. I don't, I know his back. Apparently, he's had back in back problems before. so we don't know about that. I did talk to a GM earlier this week, who came right out and told me that the two best young quarterbacks in the NFL hands down

are Mahomes and Wence. So, you know, I think if Wendt stays healthy, he's a really good player with a chance to be absolutely special. They've got a lot of weapons. I think you'll see them be incredibly multiple with their use of personnel on their formations, and they'll present a lot of different looks and put a lot of pressure on defenses.

Washington with Duane Haskins. I like some of the things he does, but when I watched him this year, when you make him move off his spot, his accuracy dips. I think he needs to be coached up in the NFL. How close is he to ready to play a starting quarterback role in this league in this tough division?

Well, as you know, Colin, we always say that quarterbacks are not ready and then they play. So, you know, that's a tough question to answer. I remember when Trubisky played his rookie. year and everybody said there's no chance and then he started whatever 12 games whatever it was so haskins will play whether it's week one we don't know the answer to that the big issue with haskins is when there are bodies around him his feet get a little heavy yeah he loses uh his mechanics and fundamentals and he tends as you said and you're a hundred percent right to lose his ball placement so in the nifl you tend to have to throw with bodies around you far more than you

do in college where at Ohio State he basically ran a quick game offense. So they'll try to do a lot of that with him, but there will be situations where he's going to have to take deeper drops and they'll be pressure. He's a pretty good thrower of the football. So, you know, if they can protect him, and that's the critical part here. Yeah, I had an NFL general manager tell me about, it was at dinner about a month ago, he makes enough NFL throws in college that you know he's a franchise. quarterback, but you just don't know much beyond that.

Correct. He does have the arm. He does have the size. Let's go to the New York Giants. Now, my takeaway is, before their cluster injuries at wide receiver, that they have done over the last two years, Dave Gettleman's taken heat. But I do believe they've elevated their offensive line over the last two years. I feel that.

Now, I don't think their defense is as good. Some players like Olivia Vernon just left to Cleveland, they'll miss him. Giants offense in this division with high-powered Philadelphia, in the NFC with high-powered offenses, do the Giants, are they a pop gun, do they have the ability to get in shootouts and win? Shootouts, I think that Dave Gettleman's approach, and then maybe their defense is not quite good enough now, is that you build through the offensive line, the defensive line, it's an old-school approach. Now, if you're going to have the foundation of your offense be the run game, then your defense theoretically, theoretically gets to play fewer snaps.

It's the Cowboys approach. You build through the run game. You control the pace and tempo of the game. Your defense plays fewer snaps. Maybe you can camouflage and compensate for some of the weaknesses in your defense. The question is, can they do that throughout the course of 16 games? You know, it's really interesting when you look at Eli Manning, and these are just cumulative stats. But when you look at a lot of his stats situationally, he did not have a bad year last year.

There's the sense that he's terrible. But cumulatively, the stats indicate that he was pretty good in most situations. Now, he needs to be, I think, controlled a little bit, and that's the whole point of Barclay. All right. Let's go now to the AFC East. We won't start with the Patriots. We'll finish with them. Let's start with Sam Jarnold and the Jets.

You were at Jets camp. They've got some new faces. Labia and Bell, C.J. Mosley, are very high-end players. What is your get-not? Now, you told me last week, that their offensive line, and you're a lot. told me this before they added Ryan Khalil that it was a little better than people like me think.

And so I would imagine if the O-line is better than we think and they've added Ryan Khalil, you're fairly hopeful with this offense. Well, there's a starter with the Ravens and then came out of Nebraska a few years ago, so they have really good O-line depth right now. Their big issue is skill

position players. They're lacking in that area. They're trying to make Robbie Anderson a much more complete receiver. He's a big-time vertical dimension. So that's their main issue. They know that's their issue. Now, I think you can work around that to some degree, and Adam Gase is a very good offensive coach, but obviously there are times when you can't work around that.

So that's a little bit of an issue for them. And then defensively, where they're lacking and don't have depth is at corner. Another important position in the league. They're well aware of these two major issues. The question is, how can they work around them? Their front seven is very, very good on defense. Yes, yes, it's very, very good. And I think they're trying to make up with their deficiencies in the secondary with a great pass rush.

And, I mean, it feels like to me they'll be very good up front. Greg Williams is very aggressive as a defensive coordinator. So they'll try to add pressure, which limits their susceptibility in the back end. Let's go to Buffalo. Don't talk about them a lot. Josh Allen was mostly what I thought. Big arm, talented, great size, but inconsistent. What do you make of him and the bills?

Yeah, well, what they did last year, which they tried to play to his strength, which was a lot of intermediate and deeper route concepts, particularly a normal down-and-distance situations where they protect and let him drive the football down the field. He ran the ball extremely well. Yes, yes. He actually ran it. Some could argue he ran it better than Lamar Jackson.

Now, again, then you get into that debate about whether you can live like that in the NFL. We'll leave that alone for now. But I think that Josh Allen improved incrementally last year. I think he'll probably continue to do so. They've added weapons. it's actually a team that has pretty good weapons now. So if they can protect them, I think you'll see continued incremental improvement, and they'll be better on offense.

Nobody ever says this? I thought they were a really well-coached bad team. I thought they were well-coached. I couldn't agree more. And it's funny. I've talked to offensive coaches who say that Sean McDermott, whenever they play him, he gives you something a little different, and he's very tough to play against.

Let's go to Miami. Some suspect they're tanking. I don't think NFL. I don't think you can do this. that in pro football, but is it a total rebuild or do they have players? I don't think they have a lot of really good players. I think, again, that's always hard to say. The big question is who will play quarterback.

I think when all said and done, it's going to have to be Josh Rosen. Whether he starts week one, who knows, but they have to play Josh Rosen. Ryan Fitzpatrick has had an amazing career coming out of Harvard, but Josh Rosen was a high pick and a very talented player, a very good throw over the football, very smooth. He needs to play. He needs to be out there. By the way, their offensive line isn't great. Rosen's not overly mobile. No.

Is that an issue? To some degree. You know, Tunsel, some think Tunsel's on his way to being the best left tackle in the league. But beside that, they have a lot of moving parts on the offensive line that need to be worked out. That is an issue. Rosen is a rhythmic player. He needs to feel comfortable. Let's move to New England.

That was tough for me to have to get and wait on New England because I love talking about him. Bill Belichick told a friend of mine who's close to the organization, this is going to be one of my more athletic teams. Not only do I think their first five draft picks will play, but their three of their top four draft picks last year who had good camps got hurt. So they may have like seven or eight new faces. Akeel Harry, the wide receiver from Arizona State, obviously, is going to play. I think they're going to be a little younger than most Patriot teams.

What do you think? Well, let me ask you this. I mean, they drafted Damien Harris out of Alabama in the third round. When you draft a running back in the third round, my guess is you expect him to play. Last year, they drafted Sony Michelle in the first round. Now, I know he's coming off an injury, but he'll be ready to go, barring any setbacks. So now they have two pretty big-time backs. is there going to be a continuation of what they did sort of toward the end of last year

where they kind of evolved into somewhat of a running football team playing with the fullback devil and playing with what we call 21 personnel, two backs, is that going to be more of their MO? I'm not saying they're going to move away from Tom Brady and make him just a little piece here, but is this going to be sort of a transition given the fact that Brady, I don't want to say he lost it, but I thought there was some parts of his game, toward the end of last year that I didn't think we're quite as good as the great Tom Brady.

Yeah, I think the last two years, it looks like to me, they have added to their offensive line, they have added running backs. By the way, even their top receiver pick this year is not a burner. No. He's an intermediate route guy. Tom gets rid of the ball. He's a very good, hard way. He's a little bit like a poor man's Juju Smith-Schuster, in my opinion.

They're going to have to scheme him open. Yes. So I do think they're making a transnational. transition. Bill sees his personnel. They'll become more run-centric, more power over finesse. I would agree. And by doing that, they'll give a guy like Harry a chance to be a factor because you can't line Harry up on the outside and say win one-on-one with isolation and individual routes. He won't do that. He didn't do that in college. No. All right. Greg Cosell NFL films, NFC East, AFC East this week. We'll talk to you in one week, my friend.

All right, Colin. I appreciate it. Thanks. Oh, my Lord, was that fun. That, that meeting. I'm stuffed. I just had a huge meat sandwich for lunch. I am stuffed. I mean, that was, that was pastrami on rye bread stacked a mile high. That's what you got right there. I hope you could handle it.

A lot of you couldn't finish the sandwich. I finished all of it. All right, Chris Haynes is not long from now talking about that sit down with Kevin Durant interview in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd. weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are

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on the IHeart Radio app, podcast wherever you get your podcast. By the way, I got to say, I just love what Davosweeney said, poking Nick Samin in Alabama in the SEC. He came out yesterday and he said, you know, you're all telling me Alabama lost to us because they were tired.

They won their games by 33 points. You know, they had four cupcakes. They had a buy week. They won their 26 and 1 in their last 27 games in the SEC, almost all of them by blowout. And yet you keep telling me how great they are. And Davo Sweeney came out and said, we won our games by 20.

We weren't tired. And this is my knock. The SEC has the most good college football players. I'm not disputing that. But the conference is riddled with dysfunction. Tennessee dysfunction. Auburn can never get the right coach. Ole Miss, Cheats.

Everybody knows it. Florida. What coach are they on? What off-field crisis do they have? Texas A&M. Oh, please, give me a break. How many years are you going to tell me how great Texas A&M is? Last big bowl when they had was seven years ago in the Cotton Bowl.

I mean, the conference has talent. I'm not disputing that. But when you throw in the buy week every year right before LSU, when you put in four cupcakes that other conferences don't have, it makes it easier. And frankly, a lot of the coaching in the SEC, it's bad. The talent's good, but it's bad. I mean, even SEC programs now are complaining about attendance.

Why? Because the schedules are so weak. There's a huge advantage. I mean, the PAC 12 and the Big 10 and the Big 12 may not be as good as the, the SEC. But when you have to play a conference team one more week, when you get one less buyer, one less cupcake, guys get hurt. It's not a week off. So, I mean, let's be honest, LSU and Georgia after Alabama are the best programs in the conference. And their bragging rights are, we almost beat Bama every year. Well, Clemson does. So, you know, and Nick, you know,

Nick's complaining about the transfers and he doesn't like this and my team is tired and the staff didn't good enough job. The truth is, Nick Saban about seven, eight years ago. He was in his, I think his fourth year at Alabama, and they lost three games. And he's like, I'm not going on the road for big games anymore. He made a decision. Georgia didn't. They went to Notre Dame.

You know, Oklahoma, they'll go to Ohio State. Ohio State will go to Oklahoma. Alabama made a conscious decision years ago to lighten up the schedule. Cupcakes, buys, perfectly placed, and we're not going on the road. Why don't you go on the road? Why don't you go to Seattle next year? Now, they

finally recently signed home and home with Wisconsin after guys like me hammered Alabama. But I'm not saying the SEC is not the best conference. I watch the heck out of it. I love it. But there's dysfunction everywhere in this idea that it's impossible to beat these teams. The minute these southern teams old miss a couple years ago came west and lost a cow. If you get out of your zip code occasionally, it's not as easy to win on the road for 19-year-olds and 20-year-olds.

When you play all your out-of-conference games at home, it's much easier to win. Veteran newsman John Goulet. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So, Colin, we had a little bit of breaking news this morning. The Browns traded running back Duke Johnson to the Texans for a fourth round pick, which can become a third round pick if certain things happen. After signing Kareem Hunt, Johnson would essentially be the third string running back

when Hunt comes back from suspension behind Nick Chubb. Remember Baker Mayfield, too, also kind of criticized Duke Johnson for wanting a trade, even though Duke Johnson showed up to camp. He didn't hold out. he just said, I don't want to be here because he wants to play. I think it's a reasonable request. The only downside for Cleveland, if Nick Chubb got hurt in camp or got hurt early in the first month, they don't have a legitimate big time backup until Kareem Hunt comes back around Thanksgiving.

Sure. Also, though, a fourth round pick, maybe a third for a guy that might be your third string running back. That's kind of too good of a deal for Cleveland to pass up. The Texans needed some depth. They got rid of Deonti Foreman. They cut him a few days ago. So right now they just have Lamar Miller. Duke Johnson is a hell of a pass-catching running.

Yes, very good at that. He is really good. The Texans, to me, are that team that could be really good, and we might kind of go, wait, why didn't we talk about them more? They have a great, they won a division last year. They have a great young quarterback. They have amazing skill at wide receiver. And they have a great defensive line.

They've got all sorts of defense. They're secondaries week. But their O line and their secondary are concerns. I think you could solve one of those by signing Trent Williams, who is adamant. He won't play for Washington, and he's their best player. Well, and here's what I thought was interesting about the trade. in rap report of NFL Network reported that Bill O'Brien made this trade.

They don't have a GM right now. So this was Bill O'Brien dealing with John Dorsey. If the head coach is making deals like that, I mean, he knows he has to win this year, otherwise he might be out. I don't think that's out of the realm of possibility that Bill O'Brien says, you know what, let's just go for it all this year. Let's trade, let's make a deal with the Redskins and let's get a Pro Bowl left tackle to protect my young asset at quarterback. Before I have to pay to Sean Watson. This is what the Eagles have done.

because remember Carson Wentz's new deal doesn't start for two years this is what the Rams have done this is what you do when you have young quarterback this is what Cleveland's done you go out and you get players you give up some draft picks you pay for guys you get veterans in the league and you win now I believe six of eight divisions last year won by quarterbacks on rookie deals

yep right I mean that's how you win yesterday at 49ers camp second overall pick Nick Bosa got hurt again their GM John Lynch gave the latest on the Bosa injury on KMBR in San Francisco this morning. It's a significant ankle sprain. And it's got, you know, there's that dreaded high ankle sprain. He doesn't have a full-blown one, but it has some components of that. So as for timing, it's safe to say we won't see him in the preseason. And then we're going to be very

prudent. Yeah, I mean, they've drafted this position over and over and over. He has not played a game for the 49ers. This is his second injury already coming off of a senior year at Ohio State where he got hurt early and didn't play again. So that's three injuries in not even a under year. Yep. Are they that team that has potential, but just can never get everyone on the field at the same time? Well, they, they, I think their offense will be fine. I like Garapolo, Dante Pettis, good draft pick.

They upgraded it running back. Their offense is great if everyone's healthy. Yeah, they're not, they're very weak at corner. That's why they need a pass rush. They're a little like Houston. They're a little like the Jets. The Jets, Houston and San Francisco have good pass rushes, and they need them to mask very weak corners.

So I think in that division with Sean McVeigh and Russ Wilson, and maybe, you know, we'll see what Arizona is. I think they're not capable. They're going to have real issues if Bosa can't play. Because they went and got D. Ford and Kwan Alexander. They wanted athletes and speed. And I think if Bosa can't play, I mean, they have Bruckner. They like him as a past.

Armstead hasn't been much. They like Bruckner, right? He's the one guy they like. They have a lot of guys that they seem to like, but it doesn't seem to amount to much. That's kind of the problem. You know, last year we liked a lot of players that they had, but they didn't win very many games with them.

I mean... Joey Bosa needs to play. In that division with those quarterbacks, he needs to be healthy. Nick, what I call him? Joey. It's Nick. Close enough. Yeah, sorry.

His dad played, too. His grandpa, the whole family's playing the NFL. And finally, Colin, we have a really cool announcement to make. On August 13th, next year, the Yankees and White Sox will play a regular season game in Iowa at the site of the 1989 film Field of Dreams. And Aaron Judge is already getting in on the fun. Hey, is this heaven? No, it's Iowa.

Oh, my. Later this month, MLB will begin construction on a temporary 8,000-seat ballpark at the Dyersville site. A pathway through the cornfield is going to take fans to the ballpark, which will overlook the famous movie location, the right-field wall. to put windows in so everyone can see the corn. Watching Aaron Judge hit home runs into an Iowa cornfield where they shot Field of Dreams is about as cool as it could get for me. I love Field of Dreams. Oh, look at this.

Look at this. Nice job by Fox. So they're going to construct. Oh, my God, this is great. You're going to have the cornfield all through the outfield. Yeah. That's fantastic. It's really cool.

This will be the first major league game ever held at a movie location and also in the state of Iowa. MLB's been doing more of this, right? We had London games this year. They've played in Omaha for where the college world series is. They've done games with the Little League World Series is. So it's the Yankees and the White Sox. Those were the favorite teams of like Kevin Costner's dad, right? Wouldn't that?

Well, obviously in the movie, it's the White Sox of the team that comes out of the corn, right? The Black Sox scandal. Yankees might just be because... They're the Yankees. Right. And, I mean, that's going to suck me in more, I would say, than other teams. But really cool. By the way, hockey did this. Remember the outdoor games in hockey?

Yeah. They played in snowstorms. Yeah, it was great. It was great. They played in football stadiums. Yeah. Now, they kind of played it out. It kind of played itself out.

Yeah, I don't think there's going to be a team at the Field of Dreams Field in Iowa that's going to play. I think it's fun as a one-off kind of thing. I don't know. It's one of my favorite sports movies ever. It's the most inexplicable. If you tell someone the plot, it sounds like the dumbest movie ever. Yeah. Oh, dead baseball guys come out of a cornfield and play so he can talk to his dad.

It doesn't make any sense, but it's an amazing movie. I think Field of Dreams is my second favorite sports movie ever. First is? You'd be shocked. It's a hockey movie. Miracle. That's not shocking. That has the best sports movie speech possibly ever.

Yeah. So Miracle's my favorite sports movie ever. I think Field of Dreams is my second favorite. Well, this will be really cool next year in Iowa. That is great. Veteran Newsman, John Goulay. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Hurd-Lie News. By the way, my former employee, it ranked all 32 NFL teams by their under 25 talent. Browns, Colts, Chiefs, Texans of the top four, all AFC teams. Eight of the top nine are AFC teams. The bottom two are my Super Bowl favorites, Philadelphia and New England, that don't have a bunch of young guys. A lot of NFC teams, middle and bottom, a lot of AFC teams near the top. I think the NFC is a much better.

Listen, we know in the NBA, we watch Toronto, a veteran team, beat Golden State, an old veteran team, is that young is hype and optimistic and fun. in the media. I love young teams. You know, like Atlanta Hawks this year in the NBA are going to be young and fun. They're going to be terrible. They're going to win 30 games max. So, I mean, basically, if you look at the bottom five teams under 25 talent, I like all of them. I love the Eagles. I love the Patriots. I think the Vikings have one of the top five rosters.

The Titans are my dark horse team in the AFC this year. And I think Seattle, you know, is going to be in a playoff pursuit late in the year. I don't know if they make it, but they'll be close. So these are the bottom five teams under 25. talent. Now, the top teams, I like some of them too. I like the Colts at number two and the Chiefs at number three. I think the Colts just had one of the great drafts of all time, not this year, the previous year. And that puts them in that class when they got two great offensive linemen and Darius Leonard, three star, two stars and three really, really good players. So the top five teams under 25 are Cleveland, Colts. I wouldn't argue with that. Chiefs, Texans, the New York Giants.

Who do they have is the Giants, good young players, Sequin Barclay, Will Hernandez, left guard is really good. They put Daniel Jones in that. I wouldn't go crazy on that. I don't know what I get from Daniel Jones. Does anybody know what they get from Daniel Jones? I watched them in college a bunch. I thought he was okay.

I didn't think he was, you know, great. All right. T.J. Hushman's auto last hour, Jason McIntyre. Chris Haynes around the corner. So he sat down with Kevin Durant, and it was a probing interview, and Kevin Durant talked a lot. It was a little cocky, was a little fun.

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And on my podcast, The Cliverts Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me, he goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Time out. Quarterback on office blue with 42. Hey, rep, my mama want you to wave at her.

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I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nass would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying.

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Number two running back, in my opinion. Maybe he is a number one. Feels like a two to me, but a very, very good two or a decent one. Houston needed a running back. Lamar Miller, I believe, in the last year of his contract. I like what Houston did. I like what Cleveland did. Cleveland now has nine draft picks in next year's NFL draft.

They're accumulating draft picks. That's not a bad thing. You can pick them or you can trade them to get veteran players. And so Cleveland's a very, very young football team. I thought they were crowded at running back. I didn't think they needed Duke Johnson. And I didn't think that situation would play well over time. The kid needs carries.

The only danger for Cleveland, if Nick Chub got hurt, we hope not. You don't get Kareem Hot until Thanksgiving. It's not a great offensive line that can take an average back and create yards. It is a very loaded defensive front in Cleveland and a loaded wide receiving core. They're running backs now until November, not as deep, but I thought it was a good move for Cleveland. I thought it was an essential move for the Houston Texans. A team, I think, won the division last year and could be in that 11-12 win category this year. Go sign Trent Williams, Texans, a left tackle because that position concerns me with Deshawn Watson's injury history.

And with that, Chris Haynes, Yahoo Sports Senior NBA Insider, sat down recently with Kevin Durant. He's on our phone right now. First of all, Chris, were you surprised at how talkative Kevin Durant was? Once I knew, you know, once I knew he was going to go out of the end of it. I knew he was going to, I knew he's going to talk. You know, he hasn't spoken in two months. He never addressed, he never addressed the media actor's injury. I obviously never addressed it when he left.

And so I didn't know once I got him. He was going to be really good. Now, he dismissed the idea that the Warriors forced him to play. I never bought into the idea that the training staff forced him. Kevin Durant's a star. He's a grown man. He had his own trainer. Were you surprised that he said Golden State had no culpability in that?

No, I wouldn't. I wasn't surprised with that. No. The part that shocked me, well, just to elaborate on that, so I wouldn't surprise. He said that returning for game five was always the plan. That was what he targeted, and he was going to come back on the game five regardless of those circumstances as long as the Warriors were still alive.

And so the part I was surprised about was, you know, he said that if he left the war, Warriors, the team that he was always thinking about with that. So he basically said it was a two-team race. That kind of shocked me more than anything. Yes. And by the way, we know he likes David Fisdale. The Knicks, according to your article and interview with Kevin Durant, the Knicks were never in the running.

And it also sounded like he didn't make his decision on the Brooklyn Nets until June 30th. So whereas many people were insinuating that he'd made his mind up, it felt like to me that he gave it some deep thought after the regular season and after the finals. Yeah. You know, I know from afar, I talk to him throughout the season. He was very high on Brooklyn. But he was just talking about the personnel and the young guys,

they were able to nurture and mature. and the draft kicks they made. You know, so I knew he was telling their personnel, but, you know, we always talked about basketball before and other players, so I didn't think anything of it. So, you know, that

was a shock, you know, the fact that he, you know, he said, you know, if he, if he was going to leave the wars, it was always going to be for the Brooklyn Nets. So you got to get them props, Sean Marks, them guys' props over there. So, you know, it's still a culture that's

conducive to the winner. It's such a short time. By the way, I was guilty of this. I thought when Draymond called him out last year publicly and called him a name that felt very personal to me, that he and Draymond may have had some simmering, not public, but simmering resentment, can you clarify his thoughts? Kevin's on Draymond Green in that relationship today. Yeah, yeah, they're cool. They're at peace, but I would be lying here if I didn't say I don't think that. Kevin Durant, it was a point where he just stopped. You know, he was really the only person with, according to the younger guy, doesn't have much clout within the franchise.

His Raymond's stuff, New York Knicks. You know, he felt like if he said something, but give a lot of creed. A lot of careers to people saying that he's only thinking about free agency. So he just shut up and he just focused on basketball. Kevin Durant leaving the arena by him. I'm entering the arena by himself or text him

you know I'm cheerful looking at that like look man you know I'm playing I'm balling I'm you know one of the first to get to practice one of you know last to leave you're talking about my disposition like this is this is why we're not you know playing up the far you know so

there's a lot of things going on man you can you can tell everybody who the right was on the wall early on that you know this is that that that was going to to be his last season. Finally, Chris Haynes, Yahoo Sports, Senior NBA Insider, as we read the article as a staff this morning, and I've said this, I don't think Michael Jordan would have left the Warriors dynasty. I don't think Kobe would have, Magic Bird, LeBron wouldn't leave it. He left

Miami when they lost the finals and they looked old. Kevin Durant, our takeaway on Kevin Durant is he's different. I mean, for a star player on a dynasty to leave to go to an inferior what we think is roster coach stars. It's different. When you're interviewing Kevin, does he feel different than interviewing the other stars you sit down with? Yeah, he does. He doesn't. Especially during the regular season.

You know, he can't stand stories about, you know, free agency talk. What's going to go on, you know, in July when we're in December and January. You know, he can't stand that. That's why you knew that, you know, with all the stuff. And that's why the wars are so already done. Yeah. Chris Haynes, Yahoo Sports. Good stuff, Chris. Congrats on the article. Fascinating look at Kevin Durant and his decision.

Thank you. Thanks, Colin. Thank you, my guy. For the record, the Knicks were never, ever, ever, even a tiny bit in the equation, according to the article. I have said for years, find me the great free agent in his prime who truly considers the Knicks. LeBron never did. He never did. I mean, they got Amari Stodomier with bad knees. Stefan Marbury was already seen in the league as a bit of a head case and hard to play with. And I'll go back.

I think it's a James Dolan issue. I think when you start looking at this league, it's a players-driven league. Players have never had more power. There's nothing wrong with that. It's a different culture than other sports. But I do think, and I think I speak for everybody watching this show, show. I do think in college basketball and college football recruiting, you can have great facilities, but ultimately you're putting your trust in Davos-Sweeney, Chris Peterson at Washington,

Lincoln Riley at Oklahoma, Nick Saban at Alabama, you know, Kirby Smart at Georgia, Jim Harbon, Michigan. The coach, the guy that runs the program, is getting you there. It's not their academics. It's not their facilities. Everybody's got great facilities now. Who has bad facilities in the top 20 of college football. Leadership, I think players are getting smarter and it matters. Like when you get recruited, if you don't connect with the coach or at least the coordinator or position coach, you don't go there. And I think in the NBA, players look around and with very few exceptions, who owns this

team? Who runs this team? You know, and that's why I think Kevin Durant leaving is shocking to me. It's very, I mean, I can't, I, Michael Jordan left the Bulls and he couldn't stand his ownership. He left the Bulls, went to baseball, but he came back to the Bulls because Michael knew that was the best coach and that was the best group of talent. Kevin Durant just left, maybe the best coach in the league, maybe the best GM in the league. With him on it, the best roster in the league, I would say the smartest system offensively in the league. that is rare.

So I think some of this is, Kevin's just different. Kevin's a different bird. You know, remember when the reporter came on the show and called him a wanderer? Lee Jenkins came on like a year ago and he said, all I'm going to say is Kevin Durant is a wanderer. He didn't want to go into details, but I think Lee Jenkins saw it. Now a Clipper employee saw it before everybody else. Hour three coming up, we are packed.

It's the herd. One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the IHeart radio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Ah, we are live, our third hour today. First two flew by with Urban Meyer, Greg Kosell, and Chris Haynes. This hour three is the herd, wherever you may be.

however you may be listening. We are on IHeart Radio. We are on Fox Sports Radio. We are right here on FS1. It's my last hour of the week. We are loaded in this hour. Then I take off tomorrow. Last couple of Fridays, I've just enjoyed family time.

I'm doing the same tomorrow. We're getting very close. Games ramp up. This is a really good time of the year to talk football. I'm all excited about it. Got Dabo, Sweeney, ripping Nick Sabin, and everything. So much fun. Can't wait.

Labor Day. Big college football, Auburn, Oregon. It'll be a great day. I'll put Bruce Feldman, by the way, on my Saturday podcast. We're going to talk about college football on the radio podcast side, my Saturday podcast this week. So we're all geared up for it. Now, coming up in 15 minutes, T.J. Hushman Zata is Freddie Kitchens in Cleveland going to get overwhelmed? He's never been a coordinator of this team.

Has all sorts of drama. In 45 minutes, tomorrow's headlines today with J. Mack, the J.Mack Journal, Jason McIntyre. It's one of my favorite segments every week. But first. Okay, the NFL preseason, here we go. It is quickly approaching. And Zeke, Ezekiel Elliott, is still not in cowboy camp. And I got to tell you, I am really enjoying the Cowboys off-season drama, all right?

I never knew that Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones were pro wrestlers, but they are tag team partners. One day it's Jerry banging on Zeke. The next day it's Stephen Jones banging on D. Then it's Jerry banging on Zeke. And then it's Stephen Jones banging on Zeke. These guys are tag team partners. WWE, which, by the way, is coming to Fox very soon. Let me go to the first thing.

Jerry came out. Remember that? And Jerry said, you can win Super Bowls without star running backs. And then Stephen came out and said, a couple days later, you know, any money we give Zeeke is just taken away from other cowboy stars. And then Jerry came out yesterday and said, Alfred Morris, the running back they signed, has the best. feel of any running back I've ever seen. And then Stephen came out later in the day with Rich Eisen and said, he won't call us back. Here's Stephen Jones.

How often are you talking with Zeke's team these days? Very rarely. There's this perception out there about negotiations that, you know, there's these ongoing talks and they go on hours at a time. And, you know, that's just not the case. You kind of set the boundaries of where you think it should be. And certainly, you know, they're all representatives. represented by very sharp people, and they're trying to do the best for their client.

And you kind of sit there and you stew on it and you think about it. You know, you're always trying to think of something that might bridge a gap. Okay. So remember, this is the latest thing. It's a tag team partner. Jerry, you can win Super Bowls without great running backs. Stephen, you're just taking money out of Dak and Amari's hands. Jerry yesterday, Alfred Morris, has the best feel of any running back I've ever seen.

and then Stephen Jones comes out later and says, nobody's returning our calls. We're not close. Okay. So this is tag team and Zeke. Are they getting nervous? Are they getting anxious? Now, I've felt from the very beginning,

Jerry and Stephen have been very shrewd with their public comments, but there is a reason they are going out in public. They are trying to put pressure on Zeke. And I think Zeke has two things going for him here. And they're not the things that people think. Well, he's a great player. They need it. No, he's got two things going for him.

number one, Jerry Jones is 76 years old. He doesn't want to waste another season. When you get older in life, you just don't have time to waste. When you're on the back nine of your mortality, you're not going to waste time. You want to get things done. I can tell you, the older I get, the less time I'm willing to waste because I have less time on the earth. That's an advantage for Zeke. An older owner hasn't won a Super Bowl in a while.

finally has a roster, he doesn't want to waste a season. And the second thing that I think helps Zeke is, in the division, Philadelphia is great, well-coached, Carson Wentz, and they have all their young stars signed. But even out of the division, the NFC is loaded. I'll give you nine teams, not in Dallas's division that I think are capable of making the playoffs. The Falcons, the Saints, and the Panthers,

the Packers, the Bears, and the Vikings, the Rams, the Niners, and the Seahawks. That's just out of the Dallas Cowboys NFC East Division. So I think those are big advantages. The NFC's loaded. The division, Philadelphia, may be a Super Bowl favorite. Jerry is 76 years old.

There is a reason that Jerry and Stephen on a daily basis are coming out and doing a tag team on Zeke. They're feeling it. This is not a time to not have all the ammo for the NFC East, the NFC with an aging owner. So I think it's a blast to watch. I think it's really fun. By the way, Zeek has shut it down. Zeeks's in Mexico.

Zeek's not talking. Zeek's not calling. Does Zeek understand he has leverage here? Because this morning, when I see Stephen Jones talking and Jerry talking about how great Alfred Morris is, Cowboy leadership and getting a little tight, getting a little closer to games, and getting a little anxious. Kind of feels like it this morning.

Kind of feels like it. All right, let me shift to this. Aaron Rogers time. You know I think Aaron Rogers is great. But when the comparisons were made years ago to Tom Brady, I said, well, he's got a better arm, but I think there are certain leadership skills that Tom has that Aaron does not have. I think Aaron's talented.

He's more mobile. Maybe he's a better athlete. He's got a better arm. I'm not disputed. Of course, Aaron is thin skin and thinks I don't like him. I think Aaron's great. It's one of the 10 best, 15 best quarterbacks in the history of the game I've ever seen, and I've seen all of them that matter.

I'm not joking. Outside of Otto Graham, Johnny Unitas, I think I've seen most of the great quarterbacks. But it's interesting. Finally, another member of the media, sports media, NFL media, is recognizing what I'm recognizing. So pro football talk came out yesterday and admitted Aaron Rogers' criticism of joint practices, which he did yesterday, amounts to criticism of his new coach, Matt LaFleur. Pro Football Talk also acknowledged, in the last two weeks, three weeks,

Aaron Rogers has criticized his new coach twice. One, on the audible thing, he didn't love the restrictive nature of Matt LaFleur's audibles, and two, by coming out and saying, and this is what Aaron said in the last 48 hours. I don't think doing live special teams drills are very smart. I think, you know, the PA is going to look at that for sure. I don't think it's, you know, that's one of the kickoff, especially, is one of the most dangerous plays in football, and that's why they've tweaked different things over the years to do close to a live kickoff drill.

I don't think it's the best use of inter-squat practices like that. So what are you saying? This is essentially the equivalent to an eye roll to your coach. This is the equivalent of calling your coach stupid. if Tom Brady came out and said, you know, I think these joint practices, I think these special teams drills are not very smart. Would he say that about Bill? Would he question Bill's audible system?

This is the eye roll. Two eye rolls before the season starts. By the way, isn't Jeff Saturday, former Packer, the one that came out and said, Aaron would roll his eyes at Mike McCarthy's play calls? Didn't Aaron Rogers lead the NFL last year and throw away? by a mile, basically acknowledging before the play started, I hate it, I'm throwing the ball out of bounds. This is the gap that I've discussed for years, Brady and Aaron.

Aaron is condescending. Aaron goes public with it. Aaron takes shots at superiors. I don't control practice. It's not very smart. That's the gap. That is the gap. It's not talent.

Aaron's got arguably more of it. But, I mean, ask yourself, if you were a high school coach, you're a high school football coach, and your high school quarterback came out and said, yeah, I don't think these joint practices are very smart. The high school coach would go down and talk to his high school quarterback. If Tua came out in college, if they had college joint practices, and Tua, the quarterback at Alabama, said, yeah, I don't think these joint practices are very smart. Nick Saban would bring him into his office. The difference here is Matt LaFlewer, the new Packer coach, has to. to eat it because Aaron Rogers is a, you know, he's an icon, and he's rich, and he's got a Super Bowl ring, and he replaced Fav, and he's idolized, and he's worshipped, and he, you know, mostly,

he's one of the great talents of our time playing quarterback. But make no mistake, these comments, thank you, pro football talk, these comments were essentially the equivalent, the audible comment publicly, and the special teams comment publicly. They're in eye roll, which is all I've been saying for years. Aaron's talented, but he's condescending. They did a study years ago at the University of Washington years ago about why couples get divorced. It's not cheating, it's not money. They could predict with 99% accuracy why couples would get divorced. They would interview couples. They'd sit them down for a couple of hours. They'd ask the couples together all sorts of questions. And they could predict with 99% accuracy if they would get divorced. And do you know what

the factor was that the social scientists or the psychologist could spot, eye rolling, condescending, not respecting your partner. That just led to a Packer divorce. And already, in a relationship, we're not even to the preseason games yet. These are calm waters. Already, Aaron is doing what teammates have claimed he did with Mike McCarthy. Sometimes you got to eat it. You don't want to go public. You can tell your coach in private, but Aaron makes a point of going out, making it public, which essentially is kind of embarrassing your head coach. I don't want this system. This is stupid. Why are we doing this? Those are private conversations. So again, Aaron just got a divorce from a football coach. Throwaways, led the league, eye rolling in the huddle.

This is what causes divorces in real life. and it's just nice occasionally that I don't have to carry the water for the criticism of Aaron Rogers in America that he's not perfect. I mean, we're always willing to say Tom Brady's not very athletic. Tom doesn't get mad. He makes fun of that.

On Twitter, he makes fun of that. Does everybody have to say Aaron Rogers is perfect? Or can we acknowledge now more eye-rolling? Because that's all these quotes are. They're the equivalent of eye-rolling, which has been my primary criticism. of Aaron for a decade. And of course, he doesn't love

criticism. Certain guys don't. Kevin Durant, Aaron Rogers, little more thin skin, a little more sensitive. That's not a negative. That's a very good quality maybe in life. More sensitive people would probably be a better earth. So even as I criticize him for being a little sensitive, you know, that's not a terrible quality to have. Goulet is

very sensitive. Breaks down regularly on the show. Very nice, young man. I'm a crier. He's a crier. I mean, that's just the way it is. Joy, not so much. Goulete, got a towel on hand 24-7. Guys just weeping all the time. We got T.J. Hushman Zada stopping by Jason McIntyre as well.

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and you were always a thinker as a thinker, player and thinking about the player's health and well-being. And you were just telling me during the break, Cincinnati Bengal training camp with Marvin Lewis was rough. Brutal. Okay. And then did you have a camp with Pete Carroll? Yes. Not as rough. It wasn't as bad, no. Okay. How about Raider camp? No, that was a lockout. Oh, so that didn't work out. Yes. By the way, it is a different world we live, and there's no two a days at the college level anymore. When you look at, you know, there's a lot of pushback I'm hearing this from coaches now. College coaches are like guys don't want to play bowl games.

We can't hit anymore. As a former player, how much did hard practices during camp or week translate to better Sundays? It doesn't. You just need to be in shape and understand the offense and or the defense, period. Me, I used to tell Marvin Lewis says, we used to get in, why do you guys go double days in camp? I used to ask Marvin because by the third day, you get out the bed, you cannot. walk. And you're like, how am I going to run? I can barely walk. And he says, well, we need to build tough guys. I said, Marvin, let me just explain this to you. If a guy's a punk going into

training camp, he's going to be a punk coming out of camp. He's figured out a way to get through it for 20-something years. He's figured out a way to get by and skate by. These 20 whatever days we're doing in camp is not going to make him a tough guy. He's going to figure out how to skate by like he's done his whole life. Training camp is not going to make you tough. No, that's good. You are kind of what you are by the time you get to the NFL. You're pretty much what you are. And you'll fake an injury, you act like you're hurt. But you're going to get through camp if you're that good of a guy. And if you're tough coming in to camp, you're going to be tough coming out. And we would always have these type of discussions. The guys that I play with watching this, they know.

You'd have them with Marvin. Oh, I'd have one Marvin all the time. Guys were scared to talk to Marvin. You and Carson Palmer weren't. No. I mean, I probably talked too much. That was my. problem but I would I would be the voice for the locker room guys would complain about stuff I'd go take it to Marvin because they would be afraid to

and I wasn't and some of it was warranted and others it wasn't but I would still go take it to him I love that. That's why you're a good talker. That's why you're good on this show. Try to be. Yeah that's good. Why you're a good parent. So I said I'm always concerned and this is almost

a dad conversation. I said earlier today one of the reasons young child actors in Hollywood often have horrible adult lives because they skip steps. Go play with your kids. Go play with your brother. Go play in the pool. Go play in the lake. But in Hollywood, nine years old, you're on a movie set. And it's like, that's not healthy. I don't like where NBA guys go one year of college and now you're in private jets. You can't even go to the bar in the hotel. You're skipping steps.

Freddie Kitchens, my concern is he skipped steps. We look at Sean McVey and go, oh, he came out of nowhere. Sean McVeigh was a position coach, a coordinator for three years, then a head coach. Freddie Kitchens has never been a coordinator. Would you be concerned you go from a position coach mostly for 11 years in Arizona? The Browns hire you as a running back coach. And then nine months later, you're the head coach of a young, highly dramatic team. Would that concern you?

It would concern me. But when you look at it, when they fired Hugh, he was the de facto officer coordinator and charged the offense. he did very well. They did well on offense. The only thing that is going to worry me is if they don't play well early on, your best players and they're pretty much all on offense, it's going to be a problem. You have to, every coach and every team, they script plays,

and you're going to go over it Saturday night. So the first five to seven plays, you'll know exactly what they are. Hopefully you don't go three and out. You know the first, third and short, second and long, second and medium, and whatever it may be, as long as the players, Odell Beckham, Jarvis Landry and Joku to tie in, as long as they see in those first however many plays, I'm trying to get you the ball here.

I'm trying to get you the ball here. That should be okay because they'll see the script and say, okay, he's trying to get me the ball. But if it doesn't work and they're not winning, it's going to be a problem and it's going to say what you just said. He skipped steps. He's end over his head. That's going to be the narrative.

Do players talk about that? I mean, have you ever been on a team where players are privately talking about doubt in the staff? All the time. The problem is there's a lot of players that really don't know the game, but there's some that really understand football, but the coaches think you don't know the game. And so when you try to come at them with what you feel is best, that's like an insult to them.

I know the game. Like, you put a lot of time in, coach, but I also know the game. they look at you like, you don't know the game like I do. And yes, that's 100%. If a coach doesn't know what he's doing, he will get talked about a lot in the locker room. If I said on average, go to an NFL coaching staff, 16 coaches on average.

How many are great, how many are average, and how many are over their head? The great ones, I'd probably say that's a couple on each coaching staff. Great coaches. There's really good coaches. Average, more than 50%. And over their head, I'm going to say, probably 30%?

Dang! Yeah, and the coaches, think about this. If you're a head coach, a buddy has given you a job, you have running back coach open. This guy's been a quarterback coach's whole career. Oh, the only spot I have open is a

running back position. So now he goes and coaches running backs. He'll teach you football, but what can he teach you about playing running back? He's been a quarterback coach's entire career. And so that's where, that's the divide. You have a coach as a position coach that will teach you the game of football, but he can't teach you your position and what to do and what not to do because he's

foreign. It's foreign for him. He's heard other running back coaches do it, but he's never had to do it. So Aaron Rogers, Jeff Saturday came out a year ago, maybe it was six months ago and said Aaron would roll his eyes at Mike McCarthy's call. So twice in camp so far with a new coach, Matt LaFleur, he sort of rolled his eyes. He criticized publicly the audible system. And then yesterday comes out of the day before in terms of the joint practices and said, They were kind of stupid and they don't help. So twice now with his young coach, he sort of publicly said kind of the equivalent of an eye roll, like audible systems, joint practices. And I say this, to me, that's the gap with him and Brady.

Brady's been pissed for 18 years. He's been upset. He doesn't like his new contract. But Tom's able to massage the message publicly. So it lands as, this is just, you know, I'm just a guy. I'm just another player. Aaron wants you to know, I'm not another guy. And I do think the gap between Brady and Rogers,

there are some maturity and leadership advantages where I think Tom understands, my words resonate through the building. Aaron doesn't give a rip how they resonate through the building. Is that a fair criticism? If you look at how they came into the league, Brady wasn't highly touted. Aaron Rogers thought he should have been the first pick.

They came into the league. differently. And so Brady came in humble, had to earn his way. And Roger sat behind Brett Farve. A little bitter. Yes, he was, and when he got that opportunity, he kind of, I told you guys, I should have been that guy. And so for me, when I look at this, it's, it's really odd that he would publicly say, whereas Brady, he might vent at home. But he's not going to vent publicly about these type of things. I'm just shocked that he would actually publicly say these practices are stupid. It's a waste of time.

Like, number one, you're a quarterback. It has no effect on. You're not getting hit. All you're doing is throwing a ball. For everybody, it's harder for everybody else. The guys running down on special teams 60 yards sprints. Did they come to them say, man, I'm really tired? This is really tough?

And is he talking for them? Or is he just saying, I think this is stupid. Don't do it again. you don't know. When you made comments in your career, because you're an outspoken player, you would go into Marvin Lewis's office. You would talk with teammates. Did you ever make public comments or were you aware?

And you didn't live in the big social media era. But were you willing to go public? It just depends on what it was. But for the most part, I was a little politically correct at times. But I always spoke my mind. I would say it in the locker room. I would say it to the coaches. And that's not a good thing to do.

And I tell guys this all the time, shut your mouth, play football. If you want to play a long time, once you get the year 10, 11, 12, shut up. Because as soon as they think you're declining, you get out of here. And that's what's going to happen to Aaron Rogers. Soon as he declines, we ain't got time for you. Yeah. Listen, it's, I always heard a rumor years ago that player representatives, Kevin Mo I was a player representative, that that was a dangerous position to

I was one for seven years. You sit in the room with owners and they're like, yeah, is this great? You go to the combine, you have meetings. I was on a... You were a player rep for seven years. Seven years. I was on a committee with Roger Goodell when obvious we were Cincinnati. We kind of started all the trouble making back then and how to navigate through that.

Did you ever feel a little resentment from coaches or the microscope was on you a little? Looking back on it, maybe at the time. I thought I was being helpful. But you know, now that you think about things that have transpired, you say, wow. Because you are out, I am outspoken and you want to look out for the players, but sometimes it's okay to just shut your mouth. And I didn't do that. You know, it's funny, even when players talk politics, Malcolm Jenkins for the Eagles,

taught politics, but I never felt he was divisive. Malcolm's like, listen, we've got to make changes in our community. I would love to work with our owners. like I thought Malcolm Jenkins was very mature. He's like, listen, there are some political things I feel strongly about. Let's work together. And the Eagles comply. The Eagles were like, this is the way to do it.

I thought there were other players, and I don't even need to mention them, that went politics. And it was almost a shot. It was, so the bottom line, even when you talk politics or you talk policy like you, there's a way to massage the message. Because in the end, NFL players are mostly outside of star quarterbacks. man, there's a lot of replaceable. The college football is giving you 200 guys, 300 guys a year.

You want to, everybody's replaceable. Coaches are human. And so they get attached to players. Why do you see when coaches leave a team? They bring players that they've coached before because they're familiar with them. You're familiar with them. And so you want to be able to get along with everyone. Malcolm Jenkins, you've got to galvanize a locker room.

You got to get along with the defense. You got to get along with the offense. but you got to get along with the black guys, which will come natural, but you got to get along with the white guys too, because you have different interests, and people don't think about that. Like, we've been in a locker room, we play all hip-hop music. Oh, there's sometimes now we're going to play country music,

and we're going to play a little Leonard Skinner. And so you have to be up along to get along. You've got to go out with them, hang out with their families, go out to dinner, and people don't realize in locker rooms, guys aren't doing that. The black guys and the white guys, they all don't go out to eat together. And so the guys that can relate to both, those are the guys that leave the team and those are the guys that people go to. I always thought one of Brady's – Brady talks about in the last five or six years in the off season.

He'll get up on music and tack because he knows he's got 22-year-olds heading into the locker room and he's 42 years old. Brett Farr once joked about it. He's like, I don't have a lot in common with these new guys. It's a real thing. It's tough. They'll bring you in on what's going on. That's just what it is, man. And that's why sports is the – football is the best sport you can play because there's so many –

different guys come from so many different backgrounds and you have to coexist. It's great. What was the best single locker room you ever had? Wow. Probably when I, it's not a probably, the Ravens was the best locker room that I had been in. Wow. Yeah. Now you weren't there very long. I was just there a year. It was the Baltimore Ravens. It was a great place to play. Why? Just the, from top to bottom, from Ozzy, but Shadi, like he's the owner. And he acted like he was just a regular dude. It was unreal the way. Like if you, Baltimore was the place to be. Well, I've always, when we say Baltimore, John and I have talked about this. When you say Baltimore, I always think Baltimore Ravens, well run. I don't even care what their record is.

I always think of the Ravens. Unbelievable. Yeah, I always think of the Ravens as a well-run organization. I've had multiple guys on that team have become broadcasters, have become coaches. It just feels rock solid. But I never was in a bad locker room either. Like Cincinnati, You know, we had problems, but our locker room, everybody was tight. You just had some crazy people. Yeah, we just had a couple crazy people. Other teams have crazy people. They just kind of keep it under wraps.

Your guys were out there. Exactly. DJ, good seeing you, buddy. Thank you. Veteran newsman, John Goulet. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

Colin, the Eagles haven't decided if Carson Wentz is going to play in their preseason opener tonight. But Wentz doesn't actually seem to care. In fact, once you take a lot of them. listen to Carson on how much work he feels he needs in preseason games. I think I mentioned last time my preseasones have looked vastly different every year. So I don't know if I really have a formula for it. You know, I think a little bit is helpful, but it's definitely never needed. So again, I'll trust coach to make those decisions.

So remember, the first season, he barely played because he remember he was third string, kind of, and then he was hurt one year. And I don't, I think it's pretty clear Carson is. not concerned about getting reps in in preseason games. I know you are not a fan of having four preseason games. No, I would have, I, I've said it before. I'd have, I would quadruple the number of joint practices. I'd have one preseason game.

Aaron Rogers is not going to like that. I know. That means every other year you'd get a home game as an NFL owner, maybe two. So every owner gets one home game and one road game. And I don't buy this argument that you need four. preseason games to figure out your roster. First of all, your roster is 30 players smaller than a college roster. You have double the triple the practice time, film time, and yet college can start day

one, Auburn, Oregon, meet. No pre-season. Auburn, Oregon, huge game for both organizations. Both teams play week one with a third the practice time with younger players. So I think it's a bunch of hooey. Well, and also in college, you can withstand, like, you can have an injury, but You might have a really good player that's just really young at that position. If Carson 1 gets hurt, like, they don't have Nick Foles anymore.

The season's over. Right. Why would you risk playing him to get reps? He's been in the league for three years. He's fine. I love the NFL. This is my big knock on the NFL. This is its whole.

The optics are bad. The football's bad. It's bad. I feel to me the NFL allows it because they want to go to an 18 game schedule, and they kind of want it to be bad. Yeah. Because 18 and 2 sounds a lot better than 16 and 4. So 22 NFL teams will play in week one of the preseason tonight.

However, one team might be a little more intriguing than the others. Kyler Murray and the Cardinals play the charters tonight. It's on the NFL network, so it's actually everyone will be able to see it. So we get our first glimpse of Kyler and Cliff Kingsbury together. I'm sure they're not going to put the whole playbook on display. I'm sure they also don't want to get Kyler hurt. But this is one of the rare preseason games where I really kind of want to see it. Oh, yeah.

Because I want to see at least a little glimpse of what it will look like. I mean, what do you think we're going to see out of him tonight and this year? This is the only team. Honestly, if there were three teams I want to watch in the preseason, Arizona's number one. Absolutely. I would kind of like to see Baker and OBJ in Cleveland for a couple of snaps. And I'd like to see Levian Bell for a couple of snaps in New York. But after that, the other 29.

Most of the time, it's just, well, it's just rookie quarterbacks, right? I just want to see the guys that are. I'm interested to see Haskins. with the Redskins. Nothing else about the Redskins, but just him. But I don't know how much OBJ and Baker are going to play. But Kyler, at least, because it's not just him. It's this whole, like, are they going to run some kind of crazy college offense that is going to work, going to not work? Very little I want to see in the preseason.

I'm like fans. My fingers are crossed. Nobody gets hurt. I mean, that's literally what I am reduced to as an NFL fan in the preseason. Praying great players and quarterbacks don't get hurt. And finally, Sam Darnold taking shots at Tom Brady, clearly. Darnold asked to be a part of a birthday video for Tom Brady where players could give him a little message. Drew Brees did it.

Deshawn Watson did it. Many other players did it. Sam Darnold said no. Wouldn't wish Tom Brady a happy birthday. He explained, quote, I'm going to get every competitive edge I can because he's going to do the same. He's the ultimate competitor. He's exactly where I want to be when I'm his age. To chase that, I can't be giving him anything.

Giving him a birthday wish? I love this by Sam Darnold. I think this is shots fired by your boy at your other boy. I love Darnold. This kid is just... I feel like he might have overthought the situation a little bit. This is how grownups act. I don't wish my competitors happy birthday.

You think I'm going to wish all my competitors happy birthday? I'm not... I don't want him to have... physical or mental harm, but we are competing every day, John. I mean, against every show. We're just competing against them. So you've met no other show, no other host of any other show has ever gotten

a happy birthday text. No, Gottlieb called me and told me it was his birthday and I wouldn't recognize it. I like competition. Veteran newsman, John Gullet. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Live News. You know, it's one of my favorite segments. tomorrow's headlines today with Jason McIntyre right around the corner on a Thursday.

What a show today. It's The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd, weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. By the way, you know that Seinfeld does that comedians in cars doing coffee? He's finally got my favorite guy. Who's that? Martin Short. That's your favorite comedians.

Oh, God. Nobody makes me laugh harder on talk show appearances than, Martin Short. Wow. I did not see that one coming. He was great on Carson. He's great on Letterman. He's great on Bill Marr. Martin Short is one of the funniest people on the planet. Wow. So finally Seinfeld got him on comedian cars doing coffee. It's on... Is it incredible? I don't know. They just showed a clip. He's already, he's just brilliant. When I think funniest comedians on the planet, who do you think? Martin Short probably doesn't crack the top of 30. That's because you're like 19 years old. Yeah, Martin Short was a big deal in the 80s, right?

No, Martin Short's still unbelievable. His last couple of weeks on Letterman were the funniest he ever been. Wow. He's a great American- You know, you learned something new about people every day. Martin Short's a great American storyteller. He's a great communicator. I don't deny any of that.

Okay. Eddie Murphy, that's who I'm excited about coming back on Netflix. You heard about that, right? Whoa, what? You're out on Eddie Murphy. Dude, talk about the 80s. Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

We found the one guy who does not like Eddie Murphy. I mean, go watch Raw right now. It is incredible. You'll be laughing for an hour straight. Eddie Murphy Raw? All right. We do a segment called Tomorrow's Headlines Today. Jason McIntyre started in the newspaper business, then bailed on it about 40 minutes in and created a site and made a bunch of money.

So you predict, as a newspaper guy, what the headline will be tomorrow. So tomorrow's headlines today, what will we see from Lavian Bell after taking a year off? Jets playing a night, right? Are you excited? You got to watch that. I believe the headline will be saved by. By the Bell. Obviously, talking about 80s. How about the early 90s? Save by the Bell. Love it. Awesome show. I've seen every episode multiple times. But people keep talking about

Sam Darnold and the level he's going to rise to in the second year. And Quinn and Williams, you know, we've talked about CJ Mosley. He's been great at camp. Leveon Bell is the guy to watch. Because if you look at Adam Gaze's history, when he was in Chicago, what did he do? He got the ball to Matt Forte out of the backfield, catching passes, running the football, over 1,000 yards, 9 TDs, What happened with Kenyon Drake last year in Miami? Awesome, dual threat. Now you're going to Levi-on-Bell, Colin, who is arguably the best complete running back in the NFL.

I mean, no disrespect to Ezekiel Elliott. I think Bell is going to be a monster. People in New York are excited for Sequin Barclay. I think, you know, if you do fantasy football, Levy on Bell is going to be a beast this year. They also brought in James and Crowder, who is hurt, who actually was the second best slot receiver on the market, who has had a great camp so far.

You've been light on the hot takes today. This is not that incendiary, but the New York Jets have the best skill position players in the AFC East. We know the dolphins don't have anybody. The Buffalo Bills and the Patriots lost grunk. So it's basically Sony Michelle and Julian Edelman versus, you know, Levy on Bell and the Jets guys. You even like Chris Herndon. The Jets tight end. He's suspended for four games.

But the Jets skill position players are the best in the AFC East. Okay. Tomorrow's headlines today, how will the offense look under Freddie Kitchens and Baker Mayfield. Well, we're contractually obligated to talk Baker Mayfield every time I'm on this show because of what happened that one time. And I believe the headline will be Kitchens's new shotgun gun offense. As you see, Baker Mayfield shotgunning a beer here. Yes.

Yes, yeah. I know you'd like that. No, no, lukewarm on that headline. Here's the funny thing about Freddie Kitchens. Do you know what he was doing this time last year? One year ago. He was a running backs coach of the Cleveland Browns. He was a running backs coach.

Now he is the. The leader of a team that has major expectations, and they've got major personalities in that clubhouse. I just, you know, Freddie Kitchens loves to go deep. And that's why they got Odell Beckham. And Baker Mayfield through the most percentage of deep passes in the league last year. People don't realize he likes to throw deep. Odell Beckham, is he going to be healthy, Colin?

16 of 32 games, the last two years. He's missed 16 to 32. The only part of Cleveland's roster I don't like, I think their offensive line is an injury away at the interior spots of being a complete mess because they're not good at tackles. And I rely on scouts for this. It's the whole in the team. So the question becomes if there was an injury up front, Baker's not big. Not going to have the time.

No. So I think the Browns are going to win a bunch of games. I'm not doubting that. I think they'll be a little rocky in the first six weeks because they're schedule. And they're new and it's new coach and a new system and new players. But I do think the offensive line. That is the cross-your-fingers unit with Cleveland. Can't have an injury.

You are on record picking the Titans in week one against the Browns. Yes, yes. I can't believe you like the Titans a lot, Colin. They're my dark-quest team. We'll eventually get to them. Tomorrow's headlines today, how will the Raiders do in their last season in Oakland? Yeah. I'm not bullish on the Oakland Raiders.

They got like 22 new players in free agency. And their schedules, brutal are all over the world. Come on. Here's the headline for the Oakland Raiders, the Joklyn Raiders. I don't know if you watched any of Hard Knocks. Listen, John Gruden is a little distracted. John Gruden is not very likable.

I mean, he's living off basically one Super Bowl win with Tony Dungy's guys. Did you see what he did after that in Tampa? Nothing. And John Gruden last year, Derek Carr had his worst year as a professional since his rookie year. Gruden's supposed to be this quarterback whisper. I don't like anything about Oakland. And I call them Joklyn because as you saw the Antonio Brown stuff. It's a mess.

Listen, Colin, you know there's a cryotherapy place where we live in Manhattan Beach. I go there. I was going to have them post the picture, but they were like, we can't do shirtless McIntyre on here. I was like, whatever. But in cryotherapy, they have you put on socks and crocs. You can't go in there with nothing on your feet. Like, how dim is Antonio Brown to just walk in there with nothing on his feet? Yeah, no, when you go to these cryotherapy places, they, I mean, it's pretty restrictive.

Some guys have them at their homes, but I wouldn't. This is an embarrassment. Antonio Brown may not be ready for week one. And now you're relying on Josh Jacobs, the rookie running back, who I like out of Alabama. There's nothing to like about this Raiders offensive line. It's going to be ugly for Oakland. Tomorrow's headlines today. What does the new contract mean for Tom Brady?

You know, we saved the best for last because you love Tom Brady. And I think the headline will be escape go-goating. everybody's bashing the Brady contract. I do believe. And this is not anything crazy. I think Tom Brady's set to retire after this year and he gets it. If you look at last year, they completely reinvented themselves, Colin, as a running football team. There were much more of a power team the last six to eight weeks.

And this is the greatness of Bill Belichick. He has completely reinvented the Patriots over two decades. Initially, they were defense and run. Then there was the Randy Moss era. Then there was the Gronk era. And now it's back to ground and pound with so. Michelle. And Brady, as we've been over, he was not great in the playoffs. By the way, he was not great in the Super Bowl. No, I think the Saints are doing the same

with Breeze. Exactly. Three of their four biggest cap hits are on the O line. Michael Thomas, they signed up. They had the fewest attempts in Drew Breeze in like eight years. And I think the Saints and the Patriots are putting money into their offensive lines, realizing our quarterbacks need more protection. By the way, the Patriots draft the receiver, the Saints paid a receiver $100 million. So I don't think, I think it shows you the end is near, but I don't think it shows you the end is imminent in the near future. I think it's, I think it's, I think Brady's got two more years than I think he hangs in.

I don't know. Why, too? I mean, this is the first full year without grunk, and they're already growing ground and pound. He's going to be 43 next August. I know, I know. Isn't that amazing? And I had a salary cap guru on my radio show, and he talked about how the Breeze contract essentially sets up for Drew Breeze could retire if they win the Super Bowl this year.

Drew Breeze could walk away from the same. I think he may. And the same could be said for Tom Brady. He might just ride off into the sunset like Peyton Manning, like John Elway, you know, two other top 10 quarterbacks all time. What does Brady have left to prove, Colin? Well, that's not how all-timers think. What does Saban have left to prove? I think all-time aspirational people don't think in terms of that.

They just want to keep winning and they like the money. They like the challenge. They like the competition. But the money, he's easily. He's taking less money than the market says. I don't think. I don't think that's how rich people think. That's not how all-time greats, Michael Jordan, LeBron James.

I think they just like competition. They like winning. Now, you always got to do the headlines, but for the first and probably last time ever, I am delivering a headline. Oh, boy. This is fun. Okay, so I want to get back to the Antonio Brown story. He messed up his foot during cryotherapy.

I've been told you do cryotherapy. I do, yes. Okay, I do not do cryotherapy because I think it's a little shaky. It's not shaky. It's great. It's not jumping into a cold tub if you've ever done that. It's minus 200 degrees and I've seen a lot of people have a messed up skin. So I don't believe in it.

You believe in it. So my headline today is Cryo Mia River. There I am my head peeking out. I'm telling you, I had my son take that photograph. He came with me. So where did you do that at? It's in Manhattan Beach. I got a cryotherapy spot.

And listen, it's great. How much did it cost you? It's cheap. It's not expensive. You go play tennis a lot, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so you play a tough three-set match. It's two hours.

What do you do to recover after the match? Vodka Club soda. Okay, that's one option. I will go cryotherapy. And it kind of refreshes, recharges your body quicker than just icing up. You're 30 years old. I'm not as young as you think. And also, you know, it's good to keep your body.

Body and mind, Colin. You can't just be reading all the time. You've got to do the body. Do you think it works? Does it hurt? No, it doesn't hurt. Come on, it's just cold. You know, two minutes in the chamber, basically.

That's not me. That LeBron's got one at home. If LeBron does it, I mean, it's good enough for LeBron. Look at that. Well, I mean, I, as John just said in my ear, you're volunteering for frostbite. There's zero chance at frostbite, John. Trust me. Look, he's got the gloves on.

You got to wear gloves and socks. Yeah, Antonio, Antonio. Antonio Brown is a bit of a dope. He doesn't get it. He didn't put anything on his feet. Yeah, Jay Glazer. You know Jay Glazer. He does his stuff.

How does Jay Glazer? He's only 5 foot four. How can he lose him? Stop it. They can raise a little. Boy, Glazer's got to come after you for now. I know. He'll take you out of the mat.

Yeah, Galazer's big. All right. Urban Meyer, Greg CoSell, Chris Haynes, T.J. Hushman Zata and Jason McIntyre tomorrow's headlines. Today I'm off tomorrow. Speak for yourself. I've got a labor-intensive day off tomorrow. Doing family stuff, labor intensive.

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