The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Ezekiel Elliott, Cleveland Browns, Oakland Raiders and Tom Brady

Episode Date: August 6, 2019

Colin discusses the latest on Dallas Cowboys RB Ezekiel Elliott’s hold out, the Cleveland Browns having more issues, the message New England Patriots QB Tom Brady sent, the Oakland Raiders on Hard Knocks, and his thoughts on the NBA all decade team. Guests include: Jane Slater, Rob Parker, Leger Douzable, and LaVar Arrington.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So, you know, social media can be very punishing. You know, it's the tyranny of the mob. Doesn't matter if you're a Republican or a Democrat. Nobody wants to get beaten up on social media. Your phone's going crazy. And so it's important. when you're going into a battle to curry the favor of the public, right? That's why people hire PR firms and PR handlers.

So you can, you know, get some public sentiment on your side. So Jerry Jones right now and Stephen Jones are in a very public battle with Ezekiel Elliott and his camp and his agents and his attorneys to gain some public sentiment on this holdout. Obviously, cowboy fans want to see their star player on the field. Obviously, Zeke wants to get paid. But it's interesting to watch the positioning of Jerry Jones and his experience doing this and the inexperience of Ezekiel Elliott. So yesterday, through Jane Slater, she'll be on our show in 15, 20 minutes. The Cowboys released, making it very public again,

they released some sourcing through Jane Slater. later. Quote, we have made generous offers to make our quarterback running back wide receivers highest paid top five in their positions. We are prepared to make it a prove it deal for all of them if they unravel and don't come to fruition. So just think of the wording here. Generous, highest paid, prepared. Cowboys are telling you, we are prepared. We've done our home. We've done our home, We're willing to make generous offers. Those are nice words, prepared and generous. You go to somebody's house for Thanksgiving.

We prepared a nice meal. There are generous portions. Very good wording by the Cowboys. Oh, and then Ezekiel Elliott, his camp released this through Josina Anderson. He would not play without a new contract and he told him in January. That's a threat. I will not play. I told you in January.

So the Cowboys, generous, high as paid, we are prepared. Ezekiel Elliott down in Mexico. Not with the team. Won't play this year. Told you in January. Who's winning the PR battle? The Jones family. Remember Stephen Jones?

About a week ago, I said, this is so shrewd. This is all about every time Jerry or Stephen talk, what's the common threat? they're being reasonable here with Stephen Jones. We want to be fair. We want our players to feel good about their contract, but at the same time, we don't want to do things that are out of line because we can't afford to be that way. Whether it's DAC, whether it's Amari, whether it's Zeeke,

they all understand we've got a whole group of young players coming behind them that want to be Dallas Cowboys and want to stay here. And we save money, whether it's with DAC, whether it's with Zeeq, Zeeke, whether it's with the Marie, it's not saving Jerry and I, dollar. It's just money that's going to go to another player. Fair, reasonable. Go to the players. Well compensated, prepared.

The Texas Twang, we're all just family here. We all want to make this thing work. We're prepared. We've made generous, reasonable, fair. See all the wording? It's really smart. This is for owners, Jerry and Stephen, that know, what they're doing. Zeek's not talking. It's down in Mexico. I will not play. This is not the way.

I told you in January, week one, Zeke's not on the field. They're not going to be booing Jerry. They're going to be booing Zeke. You know, have you heard of the art of the deal? This is the art of public relations. This is why people hire PR people to massage, you know. How would this play? Massage the message. Make it. This is a great. Prime example. Listen to the wording by Jerry and Stephen and the Cowboys. They've been through this 20 times. This is the first rodeo for Zeke.

He's never held out before. And he's stumbling. He's not doing a good job on this. All the messaging, Cowboys' favor. Speaking of messaging, I have never seen a team coming off a 7, 8, and 1 season. The Cleveland Browns make this much noise. But they give us a story every day. So yesterday, they can't even.

not re-sign an offensive line coach without making it a big story. So Bob Wiley was that sort of verbose outspoken, funny character offensive line coach. Freddie Kitchens got the job and did not retain him. And Bob Wiley came out and took shots at the rookie head coach, Freddie Kitchens, and said, he didn't deserve it. He didn't do squat. So Freddie Kitchens, I don't know why he felt a need to respond. Some have questioned whether he's ready for a big job.

I would not have gone here, but Freddie Kitchens fired back at Bob Wiley. Listen, Bob wasn't under contract. He forgot to tell everybody that. He wasn't under contract. He had talked about retiring forever. All right? So sometimes when a person says something, they have to be made to feel relevant, okay?

Bob knows what happened. Bob knows what was going on. And when he was here, he knew everything about it. Bob doesn't wear brown and orange anymore. All right? I had the opportunity to hire Bob. I didn't want to. Not sure why you hell out to tell us the back story.

I don't think anybody cares. He's an offensive line coach. But folks, this is very predictable. This is very predictable. Cleveland's new money, and they don't know what to do with it. They're buying jet skis. They're buying sports cars. They're buying second and third houses.

They don't know how to act. How would they? They have never been here before. Super Bowl talk. Cleveland is generational wealth. The grandpa was wealthy. The parents are wealthy. The kids are wealthy.

They've been here before. They were noisy last year. They got it out of the building. They're like, there's too much noise here. Because when you've never had money and power, you become fake rich guy and fake tough guy, loud guy. Because you don't know how to act.

Cleveland doesn't know how to act. How would they? They've never been here. They've won the division since the 80s. maybe 1989, but it's still the 80s. The Steelers know how to act. They got noisy, got him out of the building. Pete Carroll's team got noisy.

He got him out of the building. And this is, New England gets noisy. They get him out of the building. That's because Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick and Mike Tomlin have been here before. They've been to Super Bowls. This is new money and old wealth. That's what this battle is. The Pittsburgh Steelers have had the quietest Steeler camp in years.

and the Cleveland Browns have had the noisiest camp in the entire league. I don't remember a camp this noisy. And again, when you never had money and get it, when you never had power and you get it, you become kind of fake tough guy. Carolina was this for a year. Jacksonville was this two years ago. Carolina and Jacksonville, Cincinnati four years ago, hosted a playoff game. Everybody's like, oh, Carolina, Jacksonville, Cincinnati.

and they followed it up by embarrassing themselves the following year. Because the minute they got into crisis, they're just fake tough guy. Carolina was fake tough guy. Jacksonville was fake tough guy. Cincinnati was fake tough guy. Pittsburgh's tough guy. Pittsburgh's not faking anything. New England's tough guy.

Philadelphia's tough guy. Andy Reid, Bill Belichick, Pete Carroll, it's not any fake there. They're proven. And when you get that power and you've never had it, and you get that money and you never had it, man, you start feeling. yourself. Listen to Freddie Kitchens, who by all account is a nice guy. I watched him play college football quarterback at Alabama. But did you hear how he wrapped up the presser yesterday? You know, the days of inside information and the days of unnamed sources and stuff like that

have ended. So you're not going to get any information like that, ever. Anybody. And if I ever see it, they're fired immediately. That's the way we're running this organization. And I can take it. John Dorsey can take it. We won't crack. I promise you. Promises, I'll fire people. Does that need to be said? Does Andy Reid say that? Does Billichick say that?

As Pete Carroll say that? As Mike Tomlin say that? Does Sean Peyton say that? You have to say that stuff? Again, I don't blame Cleveland. Act like you've been there before. They haven't. They've never had power. They've never had hype. They've never had money. They've never had it.

Pittsburgh across the streets had all of those for years. They're trying to get quieter. Cleveland's trying to validate their success. We'll fire people. Let me tell you the story. Here's a headline. Let's chuck beer. I don't blame them. When you've never been there, you're kind of faking it. Cleveland, 7, 8, and 1.

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Welcome back. Good to have you in. We've had Jane Slater on, reporter NFL network based out of Dallas, Texas. She's been at Oxnard at the Cowboys Camp for the last couple of weeks. She's been a great guest on our show. We thought we'd bring her on today because the Zeke and Jerry and Stephen Jones negotiations through Jane. Yesterday we're very, very public and Jane is now joining us on the phone.

Generally speaking, Jane, I wouldn't love my team negotiating through the media. Aaron Donald and the Rams stand cronkey. It was very quiet. Carson Wentz with Philadelphia. It lasted maybe six hours and it was no longer a story. This thing's gone on now for two, three weeks. It's very public. What do you make of that?

Thank you much of it, Colin, because it's Dallas and we're used to it when you cover this team. But here's what I will say about the situation. I think what the Cowboys are saying to you is, look, we feel as though we have put what they described as generous offers on the table. for all three of them. Dak, Mari, and Zeke. They feel good about them. But as we've discussed throughout camp, it takes two to tango. And it doesn't sound like, at least from the cowboy side,

that they have had a willing dance partner in some of this. In other words, where they're at and where all three of these players are at are nowhere close to where they want to be. I've been told that they have made offers when they characterize it as generous, that puts each one of these players in the top five at their positions in terms of highest paid. So they feel good about that. And, you know, we talked about this last week. This Zeke thing, it's my understanding what they're asking is close to Todd Gurley numbers.

The Cowboys feel like that's a bad deal. They don't want to get in the business of starting with Todd Gurley numbers. They feel the lobby on bell numbers are more appropriate. and that's been the rub here. But it was also described to me that if they can't get on board with something ahead of the season, the Cowboys aren't necessarily opposed to doing one-year, prove-it deal. Yeah, their schedules favorable in the first three weeks. Dallas kick it off the 3-0 start.

They face kind of rebuilding teams. I think Washington, New York Giants are up in there. You know, Zeke almost sounded like yesterday. the story that Zeke's camp appeared to leak to ESPN almost sounded like a threat. We told you in January, we're not going to play without a deal. It came off as a threat to me. How does it come off to you? I think it's also their way of fostering in this situation.

If the Cowboys aren't going to budge and they are sticking with the number and we're not going to get the deal we want done, then here's where we're at. I would say, again, this goes back to it's easy to hear some of the stuff play out in the media and everybody to sort of panic. I think the reason why some of us that cover this team so regularly have not gone in to sort of move the meter mode is because we saw this play out with Demarcus Lawrence. I'll also keep in mind they went out and got Robert Quinn. So sort of like with this Alfred Morris deal, they went and insured themselves, but the deal still got done. Now, here was the difference. what my understanding is unlike what happened with David Cantor,

who was Demarcus Lawrence's agent. And this situation, David Cantor picked up the phone. He called Stephen Jones and said, hey, why don't you and Demarcus Lawrence talk, air out your grievances? They had what was described as a come to Jesus meeting, and then everybody was able to get this deal done. It allowed Demarcus Lawrence to go and get his shoulder surgery. He's starting camp on the public.

but he's going to be ready to play by the start of the season, and he got the deal he was looking for. So I don't feel like it's gotten to the point where both sides are to the point where they are literally walking from this table. It's going to be this massive deep hold up. I still haven't gotten that since, Colin, but I'll preface that by saying, look, I started from the beginning on this one thing that everyone expected Zika can't

and he's not here. So I can 1,000% be wrong on this thing, but I will tell you the tone and the feeling here at camp is not one that feels like they can't get something done before the start of the season. I don't expect him here today by this August 6th, the crew that you're a free agency that you need in order to be an unrestricted free agency, free agent.

I get the sense that he's going to be a little bit closer to the start of the season. After we'll start seeing some real movement. The Cowboys, of course, break camp here about a week and a half, go back to Dallas. I think we might see a little bit more movement then, but I think right now, the two parties are still pretty far apart, as we talked about last week. All right, Jane Slater, follower at Slater NFL, NFL Network inside the training camp is concluding here Wednesday at 10 a.m. Eastern.

Jane, we appreciate you stopping by again. Thank you so much. Always appreciate having me on. I appreciate it, Colin. All right. Let's just look at the Cowboy schedule, by the way. It does. It is a very favorable schedule.

through the first three weeks. You get a Giants team, which has cluster injuries at wide receiver. You get a Washington team that may be starting Colt McCoy or a rookie and a Miami team that, if not tanking, is really in terms of current roster potential very limited. They don't even quite know exactly what they're going to be at quarterback. Then the schedule gets really, really interesting. They have to go to New Orleans, Green Bay, at the Jets, Philadelphia, at the Giants,

Minnesota. There's some really good teams and you're on the road in that stretch. So I've always thought this was more precarious and a little more serious than even people covering it. I also think Stephen Jones and Jerry are smartly shrewdly posturing themselves as reasonable and fair. And I think Zeke sounds like a holdout. Jane just said there's not even really discussions here with their agent. They're not communicating. These are veteran negotiators and the Jones family and a to this point judicially immature football player who's in Mexico. They're not talking. He's made demands.

I think it's more serious than what we've been led to believe. Here's Joy with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So details about Tom Brady's contracts continue to emerge. It's technically a two-year extension through the 2021 season, but 2020 and 2021 are voiceminal. Boyd years, which is actually similar to the Saints' five-year extension with Drew Brees in 2016 that included three void years.

And when asked about it during his media availability yesterday, he spoke about himself as if he belonged in the same category as players that know they could be cuts at any time. It's really the reality for most guys in the NFL. You know, I don't want to think that I'm any different than everyone else. Like, it's football is a tough business. It's a production business. And, you know, I'm ready to go. this year and that's really what matters and that's where my focus is it's a unique situation it is what it is that's a good line so whoever said it's a very pertinent so like i said there's a lot of guys

who have you know one year left on their contract um you know so the situation i got one year to go and we'll see what happens never really heard brady talk like that before well you know what the thing is disappointing and anger comes from expectations he sets the table to even even even if he's talking to us, he really sets the table in his mind. This is a tough business. My contract's like a lot of contracts. It's a production business. So you're not greatly disappointed when it is tough.

Like he doesn't come in thinking, like I tell my wife this all the time. You can, when you wake up in the morning, you kind of set the emotional agenda for the day. Right. If you have unrealistic expectations for the day, my wife and I, Fourth of July, we invited friends to Park City, Utah, for this big Fourth of July party. We had it all rammed up. And then rain arrived 10 minutes before and washed out the whole fireworks show. And my wife was just beside herself because her expectations were,

it's going to be a greatest party of all the time. Tom Brady's not just talking about, he's talking to himself. It's a tough business. I've got a one-year deal. It's a production business. If I'm not good, I'm not here. I think this sounds corny. But I think as you're in the middle of camp, controlling your own emotions are a real thing, right?

Football's hard. Yeah, but it's Tom Brady and it's kind of silly to think of it that way. I mean, when the whole Jimmy Garapolo thing was going on, you really saw the true power of that dynamic between Brady and Belichick and Kraft and how all that interaction happens. Nobody feels like Brady is on the same level as a guy who's trying to make the team and has a bad production year is going to be cut. That's just not how this scenario is going to end. There was a time where I believe it was possible that Bill Belichick would be able to cut Brady, just without any remorse and get away with it,

I don't believe that anymore. Well, he's also, he is the best player they have on the team. So, I mean, he does have that safety now. He's their best player. Right, but it's kind of a weird tone he's setting. Like, it almost tricks you. It's very good. It's very politician of him.

Like, oh, you know what? Maybe Brady does have something to prove this year, you know? Let's just temper expectations a little bit. That's exactly why we don't go out on New Year's anymore. It's the most expensive, ridiculous night of the year. You have all these expectations of it just being this, like just fireworks and confetti and the champagne is flowing and it's always an expensive disappointment. Yeah.

And traffic's terrible. Yes. And I mean, you're obviously not going to drive. So getting a driver is impossible. My dad used to call it amateur night. It really is. That's what you used to call New Year's if you said. It's amateur night.

100%. That's what New Year says. Just stay home. It's so much more thrilling to watch the show. So Freddie Kitchens wants to make it known that there is zero inside information that is going to be leaked from the Brown's organization under his watch. That was the message that he delivered yesterday when he was asked about the recent criticism from former Brown's offensive line coach Bob Wiley.

Listen, Bob wasn't under contract. He forgot to tell everybody that. He wasn't under contract. He had talked about retiring forever. So sometimes when a person says something, they have to be made to feel irrelevant. The days of inside information and the days of unnamed sources and stuff like that have ended. You're not going to get any information like that ever. Anybody. And if I ever see it, they're fired immediately. Oh, boy. That's the way we're running this organization. And I can take it.

John Dorsey can take it. We won't crack. I promise you. Boy, that's a lot of, a lot of big words. Look, it's impossible to control the flow of information outside of an organization. I think that our government can show that very clearly and obviously. You're not going to fire your offensive coordinator in week 10 because he spoke to a reporter and said something that displeases you. It's not a realistic situation. Also, how would you know who talked? If it's an unnamed source, how do you know which coach said something?

Right. It's silliness. Now, look, there are organizations who are better at not letting information get out than others. The Patriots, we never hear anything from the Spurs. The Clippers did an amazing job of that. And that all comes from having a very distinct level of minimum dysfunction. There's nothing to do with you running in a room and yelling about how, if anyone says anything, they're going to get fired. Now, I always feel like, and I could use this in the White House, when you have a White House that has no leaks, the previous White House, it tells you whether you agree with their policies that people in the White House respected the world global view of the guy leading it.

When you have a bunch of leaks in a White House or a big CEO business, that means there's doubts about the perspective or worldview of the person leading. So same with sports. If you have a bunch of leaks in the building, it's telling you people doubt the direction the coach is taking you. Nobody doubts Pop's direction. Pop can get out coached in games. He can have a bad series, a bad week. But when you have leaks, it's telling you people doubt the leader's direction.

It shows a level of this function. And aside from doubting the direction, which is 100% true, people feel unsafe in their position and their role there. So they want to get narratives out to protect themselves or to change the direction of the story. And that's all just an understanding of the culture. And now, you can have the desire to not have a leaky organization. But that's just a culture.

Like you said, it's a culture of respect for one another. It's us against them. If we give them information, they can use it against us. We respect each other. And that's how it works. Finally, Mitch Chubisky is coming off a productive sophomore season under the then first year head coach Matt Nagy. He was named coach of the year for guiding the Bears to 12 wins in a playoff berth.

but the stakes are a little higher this year, and Chibisky has to grow into Nagy's offense and Bears quarterback coach Dave Ragon told ESPN, this is the time to push the envelope, if not now, when Coach Nagy is a great coach to play quarterback for, specifically in these types of settings and training camp, because he allows you to go out there, test some throws, to see what you can get away with.

We're constantly pushing that mentality. Now, obviously, Chubisky had an incredible jump from his first year, 12 games, 7 touchdown, 7 interceptions. 59.4% completion rate. Completion rate in 2018, he had 24 touchdowns, 12 interceptions, and a completion rate of 66.6%. He had a very Jared Goff first year and a very Jared Goff second year. He made a big leap. The difference is when I watch Jared Goff, I see an armed talent that is elite and getting better.

When I watch Trevisky, I see a really good athlete who I don't think is an elite arm talent. My eyes tell me there's a much lower ceiling. even though he jumped rookie to second ear like Jared Goff, Goff's ceiling looks, my eyes are telling me it's much higher than Trebiske's. I would agree, and this is kind of what worries me about the Bears this year, because there are expectations of the Bears, and you've heard Cleo Mac talk about it, like the, and we talk about all the time. The windows for these teams are often very small,

because while you may have a very young quarterback, the rest of your team might be veterans in a position where they are reaching their prime, and you need to win now. I feel like the Bears are going to be, they're going to be, They're going to be great this year. They're going to be what they were last year. But I just don't know if Trubisky is a guy to get right over the edge. I think both of us feel that with Lamar Jackson.

We can win games with him. Right. But if they're trailed by 10 in the fourth quarter, okay, Lamar, you've got to throw. Okay, Mitch Trubisky, you've got to throw 18 straight times, and they know you're throwing. Right. That's what separates Brady, Rogers, Breeze, Russell Wilson.

Mahomes. Yes. Patrick Mahomes. This league is not about your quarterback, always playing with a lead. Sometimes your quarterback, Tom Brady, trails in a Super Bowl late, and they know he trails and he has to throw.

And that's where I say, Lamar and Trebisky to me look like limited ceiling guys. What can they do in those huge moments? Trailing. By the way, some years... Because it's going to happen. Yeah, in some years, Tim Tebow won a bunch of close games

when he had a great kicker and Matt Prater and a great defense. But over the course of 12 years, you're going to have three-year stretches where you have bad defense injuries. So now you have to win shootouts. Tebow could never win shootouts. I don't think Trubisky can win shootouts,

but I do think Matt Nagy's amazing and their defense will keep them out of shootouts most weeks. So I think they're going to be good. But at some point they're going to pay him and you're going to have to get rid of those defenders. That's the Andy Dalton thing. When Andy was cheap, Bengals had all sorts of players. Then they paid Andy and now it's like,

oh, Andy can't play from behind. I mean, I don't want to put the Andy Dalton label on Trubisky just yet, but I just feel like you feel. I can't see him in that big moments making those plays to get them back. And that's what you rely on in the postseason. Yep. Joy with the News. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. It's funny, HBO tonight, John Gruden and the Raiders are going to be on Hard Knocks. And it was kind of the first football show we had that was really, really behind the scenes. For years and years, we watched NFL films and stuff. but hard knocks you go into a camp and they wire everybody up and there's cameras everywhere

Derek Carr was talking about it there's a there's a very funny line in this here's the sound of derrick car saying it's not going to be a distraction listen carefully what i think it does it just it opens up the world to to show us who we really are you know and i think that's a good thing i've really enjoyed them honestly it's been cool it's not really a distraction to be honest there's so many cameras around all the time even in meetings coach is always filming his presentations. So we're kind of used to it. Coach is always filming his presentations and meetings. Well, that's what TV stars do.

That's always been my concern with John Gruden. He's a TV star. Here's the best way to explain it. A lot of people make money in America, but some of the money is hard money. Lawyers put in brutal hours. Doctors. I know a doctor. He does very well.

He's always on call. He gets every other weekend off. Doctors, medicine, lawyers, that is hard money. It's good money. It's hard money. Television is the easiest money. It's just a river that flows into your bank account. You've got makeup people and hair people and multiple producers. Even on this little show, we've got like 6, 8, 10, 10, 12 people helping us.

TV's easy money and you get addicted to it. and it just keeps flown into your bank account. And like Magic Johnson with the Lakers, John Gruden has a brand to protect that continues to pay him for being a TV star. Gruden was ESPN's highest paid employee. I thought he deserved it. I thought he was a rock star.

He was the lead analyst on Monday Night Football, and he was very, very aware of his brand. I'll leave it at that. Like Magic Johnson. And that can get you in trouble. What did we say about magic? He's not totally all in on job number one. Do you really want to hear that your head coach in the NFL is taping all the presentations?

Really? What for? Why? Andy Reads are probably even better. He doesn't tape him. Sean Payton could tape and sells his. He doesn't tape him. Why is Gruden taping his?

Why are the cameras there? Because he's a brand. Rex Ryan talked a lot. He felt he was a brand. I don't want my coach to be a brand. I want my coach to be a coach. Sean McVeigh doesn't tape his presentations. Kyle Shanahan doesn't tape his.

Listen, HBO didn't want the Raiders. They didn't want Derek Carr. They wanted John Gruden. The Raiders have the second losingest win percentage in the league in the last 15 years to Cleveland. The Raiders don't sell anymore, despite what the crowd, the Oakland crowd will tell you. They don't sell anymore.

And Derek Carr is a nice kid. I like him more than most, but he doesn't move the needle. HBO is paying John Gruden. That's why you got it because your coach is a rock star. And I just don't love my coach being a rock star. I think John Gruden is great for business. I don't think he's great for the standings. I want a coach that's great for the standings.

I don't give a rip about my coach being good for season tickets. And I think John is great for business. I mean, he's made the Raiders relevant. Who would deny that? I mean, they've got a new stadium coming up and they're making deals with venture capitalists for parking thing and they're on HBO and they're in the news and they lead our show. That's great for business. Generally great for business is not great for standings. So, Derek Carr.

Yeah, I mean, he's taping all his presentations. Cameras are in the film room. Come on. I mean, again, HBO picked the right guy. Gruden's fantastic. I mean, watch a little trailer. He's great at this stuff. I'm really not into dreams anymore. Okay? I'm into nightmares. You guys with me on night? You got to end somebody's dream. You got to take their job. You got to take their heart. We're not trying to go to the Peach Bowl. We're not trying to go to the Gator Bowl or the Blue Bonnet Bowl.

We're trying to go to the Super Bowl. Okay? And to do that, you've got to really try to end somebody's dream. There is no Blue Bonnet Bowl. It was last played in 1987. There is no Blue Bonnet Bowl. But again, you just say stuff on TV and TV like validates people. For years and years, I've done radio on TV and I always say radio separates. Television, it's just playtime. Television's fun. Television's easy. Television's makeup. Television's production. Television, a lot of help. TV is the, it validates people. Oh, you're on TV. You're a star. You're smart. You're on TV. I always say radio's way harder. Radio's like. ditch digging. Television's

no makeup people. You have smaller staffs. So Groon just says Blue Bonnet Bowl and Peach Bowl and Gator Bowl and everybody's like, yeah! I haven't played the Blue Bonnet Bowl since 1987. So it's a, oh boy. It'll be fun though, right? You'll watch. I'll watch. Everyone's going to watch. Did you see that clip?

You couldn't write that. It's just natural. He's a very verbal. It's going to be so good. I'm very excited. Coming up next, we've got another comment from an NFLer trying to persuade people into believing that NFL players are NBA players. And no, they are not and they're not going to get paid like them ever. That's coming up.

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Learn the Hardway and listen now. What's up guys? This is Clivert Taylor the 4th. And on my podcast, The Clivert show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff, like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me, he goes, A. Ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Time out. Quarterback on office blue of 42. Hey, rep.

My mama want you to wave at her. What? Hey, Ms. Parker. Listen to the Cliverts show on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. What's up, fam? This is Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds.

Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin. and finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows. Without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series

because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stopped by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying.

He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball. Like, after you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So I don't know why this is. I do sort of, but we don't have time.

people watch TV than watch the movies. But movie stars make way more than television stars most of my life, right? So a lot more people are watching TV. I mean, 100 million people watch the Super Bowl. Very rare that 100 million people would watch a movie, right? That doesn't work that way. But the reality is the movie star still makes more than the TV star. TV stars don't love that. But I mean, Johnny Carson's the most popular almost person that's been on TV. movies in my lifetime. And he didn't make as much as a random actor often, right? That's just the way the world works. It's the same with the NFL and NBA. NBA players are more connected to the bottom line and outcomes of games than NFL players. So much more people watch the NFL than the NBA. It's not even close, really.

It's not the Pro Bowl gets four times the ratings of the average NBA game. The Pro Bowl is unwatchable. It's an exhibition. But the reality is NBA players. make more than NFL players, and they should in most instances because they have a greater impact on the bottom line and a greater impact on wins and losses. But I don't think NFL players like it. They don't like it, okay?

And so NFL players are constantly defending other NFL players and asking about, you know, we're the big sport. We're the one everybody watches by a mile. How come we don't get paid? Ryan Clark's a broadcaster, former Steeler, came out and said, Aaron Donald is the Michael Jordan of football, the different. between him and everybody else at his position, it's unbelievable. Well, first of all, Michael Jordan was the best player regardless of position.

Aaron Donald is the best defensive lineman, and he's amazing. But Aaron Donald would even laugh at this. Michael Jordan's shoes, just to give you some perspective, his shoes made $100 million last year. He hasn't played for over a decade. College football teams where Michael Jordan's brands, Michigan football, Florida, Oklahoma. They wear Jordan's gear. MJ retired. The NBA lost 50% of its ratings.

MJ was the most popular NBA player, voted on by the public 10 years after he retired. Aaron Donald is just a really, really great football player. He has no holistic impact on the league. You don't see a lot of Aaron Donald jerseys or merchandise throughout the world. Aaron's just a great football player. Remember, there's a pretty simple way to figure it out. There's a general rule in sports. The more you touch the ball,

the greater your endorsement money you'll be and the bigger star you'll be. That's why the NBA's got a bunch of stars. LeBron's touching the ball for 40 minutes a night. Control in the offense. You see him on defense. Tom Brady's taking 64 snaps for the Patriots. He's controlling the clock, controlling the ball,

handing it off, throwing it. This is why baseball stars don't make much in endorsements. Three and a half hour game, Mike Trout comes up four times, four at bats, goes back to the dugout. In the outfield, may have three balls hit to him all night. He doesn't touch the ball much. Well, Aaron Donald is not only wearing a helmet, he's not only an NFL player, but he never touches the ball. And here's a list of the top eight endorsement incomes, NBA and NFL. Number eight is Drew Brees, the previous seven are NBA.

guys. Listen, NFL guys, I love you. But you're not NBA guys in terms of impact. You know, there's, you don't have the cultural impact of NBA players. Kids are buying their shoes. People are sitting there pre-Christmas waiting for brands to come out. That's not what the NFL is. The NFL, though, is a brotherhood. It's more popular. You've only got 16 games. You don't have the season-long winter travel. You have a very new CBA, which limits your practice. You don't get mobbed everywhere as an NFL player. It's very hard

for Yonnis to walk around Milwaukee or seven-foot guys to walk around their hometown and not get mobbed. NFL, Aaron Donald could put glasses on and walk around Los Angeles with a hat, and nobody know who he is. There are great advantages to the NFL. The player pensions fantastic. You don't

get mobbed everywhere. Practices are lighter and lighter than ever. You have fewer games. You have more off time. You don't get ravaged by the vile nature of social media. I mean, Aaron Donald, nobody's attacking Aaron Donald. Nobody's comparing him to mean Joe Green and ripping him and his family, and he's not getting, as Adam Silver said, our players are depressed. Our great players are depressed. So there's advantages to be in an NFL player. I love the brotherhood of hockey. I love the brotherhood

of football. NBA is about the star. So they're always going to make more money. Just like movie stars. More people are watching TV. Movie stars make the money because they have more connection to the bottom line. They have more impact on it. But it's not all lost. I mean, Tom Brady is still functioning at an MVP level at 42. There

are certain positions in football. You can play a long time. Quarterback being one of them. By the way, football also hires its own. Players end up on staffs. The college wants to hire you you went to. The NFL team wants to hire you that went to. Broadcasting networks. Everybody's

got football. Everybody wants football. There's jobs galore post football. There's 55 roster spots. NBA's got like 12. So there's a million advantages to the NFL. But if you're just looking to be more popular, mobbed at a crowd and make more shoe money,

it's not going to happen. As DeAndre Hopkins said on Twitter, you all think top NFL players deserve top NBA players contracts? Remember that on Twitter? The answer is no. With very few I mean, they probably deserve them, but there's just, it's, they're too different sports.

Two different cultures. It's impossible to compare. All right, hour two is coming up. Rob Parker's going to yell at me. LeVar Erington 2. It's a Tuesday. It's The Herd. One more Herd?

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So this is a funny story. So Tom Brady put his Boston mansion on the market, meaning he put it up for sale. He has since taken it off the market. So I'll get to that in a second, why he did that. And it's very interesting. He lives in the Brookline section of Boston. I've always thought it's interesting. Troy Aikman felt Joy Taylor like a Dallas Cowboy.

He felt like Dallas. He sounded like Dallas. He looked like Dallas. He talked like Dallas. He played like Dallas. Joe Namath felt like New York City. The mink coats, the hair, the looks. Big Ben feels like Pittsburgh.

Okay. I never thought Brady felt like Boston. Boston's cranky and parochial and provincial and political and pessimistic. and cold, and they talk socks and Sam Adams, and Brady's happy and aspirational and global and optimistic and not overly political in terms of career. I always feel like Tom doesn't feel like Boston, not to mention his wife is a supermodel, a Brazilian supermodel.

And if you say cold, cranky, political, socks, Sam Adam, that doesn't sound like you're retiring in Boston. I never feel like they're a Boston couple. They just happen to, like a lot of Americans, they just happen to work in Boston, and this is where they'll stay. They put their house up. They were looking for something in Alpine, New Jersey,

which is a rich person area, and Greenwich, Connecticut, which is an even richer person area. They have now since taken it off the market. You know, it's funny about this. And, you know, I mean, you can make jokes about Boston, but I've never felt Tom's personality. And maybe it's a California thing. I don't think Aaron Rogers,

he doesn't really feel like Green Bay. No. He doesn't. And I don't think necessarily Russell Wilson feels like Seattle. He feels like almost New York or L.A. Ciarra impacts that. So there are certain guys, Eli Manning to me, doesn't feel like New York.

He just works in New York. But it's interesting with Brady. He put his house on the market. So Tom's made $200 million, smart with his money, homes everywhere. His wife's made $500 million. It's not a money thing.

They didn't need to put their house on the market for money. Not to mention, LeBron's still trying to sell his place in Akron. I think Tom Brady's place would be on the market at $40 million in Brookline for a while. That's a hard house to sell anywhere. Boston can be kind of geographically isolated. Not saying there's not money and smart people and a lot of income, but that's a big house in a area, cold area. So, but the reason Tom Brady put his house on the market is, because in this instance,

this shows you the competitive nature of him. This shows you, Brady, don't mess with me. You mess with me. I'll put my house on the market. Make sure the media hears. And then the Patriots, Pam, and he takes his house off the market. I said Tom's not political. That's very savvy and very political and very shrewd.

Tom is letting you know. I may take a discount, but you're not going to run me out of town here. I am ready to move. I'm going to be financially nimble. He doesn't have to sell that house. That was imaging. He didn't really want to sell that house.

How do I know? Because once I gave him a contract, he took the house off the market. That was, look, I'll take a little less. But don't think, I don't have leverage. Don't think I'm crying over here. Don't think I'm in the corner of my house huddled, feeling weakened. No, I'll put my house up in the market. I'll go a free agent next year.

I'll just leave. You can't franchise tag me. They didn't give me that in the contract. You can't franchise tag. This is where Tom is telling all of us. This ain't over. This is not nearly as close to over as you think. I'm still competitive.

I still want leverage. I'm still fighting for my money. I'll sell my home. I'll stay nimble. That's what that told you what Brady did. Listen, if Brady was a year from retirement, you just sit there in the house. You just keep it in the damn.

damn thing. It's 40 million. It's cold in the winter. You just keep it. He put it on the market, then took it off to tell you, I'm not going to be used. I'm not an old man. I'm still viable. I'll move tomorrow. Don't put baby in a corner. It's not going to work that way with me. I'll give you a little bit of a deal on the contract, but I'm still the most competitive guy on this franchise. And that's where Tom was sending a message. And that's okay. It's not a bad message. But it's a message. How's that work when you get to go walk around and take a showing of Tom Brady's house? Do you have to get bedded first?

Do you know we actually, we found Tom's neighbors. Maybe one of the reasons he wants to leave is we found his neighbors. We have a tape of Tom's neighbors. They're very Boston. We're driving on McGrath Highway in Somerville, and I noticed a couple cars swinging, like moving to the right. and we've seen something in the street. And he's like, Louis, what is that?

What is that? I'm like, I don't know. What is it? So I ran across the highway to grab it. We brought it in the car. We had no idea what it was. First thing I said, this belongs to the Red Sox. This is the Fenway Park. Yeah.

I'm thinking that they hang it off the green monster. Right. I mean, we need to negotiate here. We're looking for like, you know. We're working too. Yeah. I mean, my man had to run across three lanes, It's traffic.

Those are Tom's neighbors. It's legendary. Well, at least they're thoughtful. Very thoughtful neighbors? They're going to make sure the house is cool while you're out of town. They love the socks. They love the socks. So Brady just sending a little messaging out there.

I may be 42. I'm not an old man. I'm not cowering in the corner. I'll put this puppy up for sale. I'll buy a house in New Jersey. By the way, Belichick hates the Jets and Giants and all that stuff. I'll move over to New Jersey. Don't kid yourself.

can move. A little messaging by Tommy. By the way, I saw this. This got voted on. The all-decade team. NBA.com came out with this. The all-decade team, the best NBA players of the 2010 decade, right? 2010 to 2020. So the first team I totally agree with.

Ten rings over a 10-year span. Curry, James Hardin, LeBron, Kevin Durant, Kauai Leonard. That is a great team. I agree across the board. Steph Curry, James Hardin, LeBron, Durant, Quiliter. It's basically LeBron James and people who could beat LeBron James and James Hardin. The second team, good hell. This is my personal nightmare.

Chris Paul, Westbrook, Blake Griffin, Carmelo Anthony and Anthony Davis. No rings. Hard to play with outside of Anthony Davis. The first team is winners. The second team is. really good on Instagram. They're only missing John Wall. The drop-off first to second team.

This shows you, and they say this in every business, that it doesn't matter what the business is. In every business, you've heard this before, Joy, you know, 10% of the people, you know, are influencing 90% of the outcomes. Real estate, medicine, there's a top 10%. Look at the first team, all-decade team. Curry, LeBron, Durant, Kauai, Hardin,

And look at the second team. Look at the drop-off. It's highlight guy. It's Instagram guy. It's hard-to-coach guy. It's sometimes lack self-awareness guy. Now, Anthony Davis is the one guy in the second team I like. And James Hardin is the one guy on the first team, though he deserves it that can drive me nuts.

Hardin, I think, does deserve first team. Anthony Davis, I do believe, deserves second team. but the drop-off there, even in the NBA, the drop-off from the top group to the second group. Now, the third group was even goofier, but that's because it was D-Waid and Kobe, and they got old in the decade. That was the most debated.

Yeah, and this is, don't take much out of this. Yonis is just a baby. Kobe and Dwayne Wade got very old in the decade. Lamarcus Aldridge, I wouldn't put him there, but whatevs. That team's just a mish-mash of stuff that I wouldn't. get too caught up on that. Again, if you had gone the previous decade, not

2010 and on, Kobe's probably in that one. So don't, that's not a shot at Kobe. It's just the way the 10 years worked out. They didn't align perfectly with De Wade and Kobe's peak years. But the first team, amazing. Second team, you need like four basketballs to get it up

the floor. Coming up next, Rob Parker, LeVar Arrington 2, and a former NFL defense event for the Giants, Jags, and Jets will join us. His thoughts on what I'm hearing, of the Jets camp, which is very encouraging. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeard Radio app.

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First, Bryce Harper powers the Phillies against the Giants. Then Nolan Aeronado and the Rockies take on Manny Machado and the Padres. Coverage begins at three Eastern, noon Pacific on FS1 and the Fox Sports app. The Phillies have the same record mostly as the Nationals. One got Bryce Harper, one gave him up. By the way, the Padres, I think, are in last place. And the Angels are no good with Mike Trout. These 10-year deals, ask the Reds with Joey Votto.

the twins with Joe Mower, the Mariners with Robinson Canoe. Why are people giving stars $10 million, 10-year-plus contracts? Because it's baseball, and you're going to have to wind up paying down the road. If you do three years and the guy has some big years, it's going to cost you more money. It's actually the owners are the ones who started as saving money cost-cutting. Don't blame the players. All right. Here we have Rob Parker, co-host of the odd couple.

By the way, he's lost 30 pounds, 40 or 30? 30. He's lost 30 pounds in six months. Four months. My God. You don't eat at night anymore. No. Don't eat after 7 o'clock.

I had a trainer three days a week. And I just watch. Low carbs. Low carbs. Get rid of the bread and the pasta. Cardio, all that stuff. Can you have a big potato once in a while? No.

But I'm going to have one on this trip to Miami. I'm going to definitely have one. There is literally no way that I could ever cut potatoes out of my diet. I know. It is an impossibility. My doctor says eat nothing but potatoes. Really? like a horse.

My doctor's from Idaho. All right. Let's start with this. I want to read you this. The truth has emerged on Tom Brady's contract. Brady got an $8 million raise, and the Patriot simultaneously created $5.5 million in cap space for next year.

Brady will escape the potential application of the franchise tag, though. Genius. They give him more. It's more cap space. Sounds like Genius, New England. trickinometry here. There's always something going on, but I didn't even know the

Patriots were dealing in welfare because they just gave Brady $8 million. The last quarterback who won a Super Bowl with the numbers that Brady put up, they showed him the door. Payton Manning, go look it up. Brady might have 60 or 80 yards

more, but he had a fumble, he had an interception. You remember how bad Peyton Manning looked in that? The defense won it, and the same thing here. 13 to 3? Tom he wasn't that great. Two years ago, he was the MVP of the league. And he also fumbled in the last couple of minutes, right, lost to football.

If you remember that? In the Super Bowl. I get it. But I'm just saying, here's the other thing. He has the owner bamboozled. And here's everybody. Everybody goes, because most teams, what do they do, Colin? You know how many great quarterbacks have ended their career elsewhere?

Everybody almost. Unitas, Namath, Peyton, Farr. Montana? Montana was 4-0, right? He finished elsewhere. This is that he's made a friendship with Robert Kraft. He's going to go against everything the Patriots have always done, which is they'd rather get rid of somebody, what?

Too early than too late. And here's the other thing. While the Patriots are parading this $70 million contract, oh, we took care of our guy to satisfy the fan base. The reality is he got an $8 million. a year of $8 million raise on this year. And nothing guaranteed. That's $70 million of phony contract.

If he falls off the cliff as a 42-year-old, they're not all. If they really believe in Tom Brady and he's this freak of nature and he, Colin, is going to play till 45, why didn't they give him a contract until 45? Why didn't they sign them up and make that money guarantee and tell Tom Brady, we're committed to you no matter what. Because they know the deal. It ain't going to happen.

Well, I think Brady's at a point. I mean, if you're asking me who's got leverage, Belichick can coach for another eight years. Tom probably can't play for another eight. So the coach has leverage over the player. But I think that's, I think that's, I think Tom Brady knows how the NFL works. Is that the player, even if you're a star quarterback, very rarely has leverage. I mean, let's be honest. Even if you're a great quarterback, a franchise can tag you twice.

You're kind of trapped in the NFL. And here's the other thing. People always praise Tom Brady. Oh, he takes less money. And other players, first of all, it's a bad precedent by Tom Brady that hurts other players, star players, where they go, well, look at Tom Brady. He's on Super Bowl. He's unselfish. You're giving a discount to billionaires.

Your wife is very wealthy. We get it. But it's not right to do that. And here's the other part. for all the money he saved a billionaire, billion dollar owner, he also, people always give him credit, say, Tom's done more with less. Well, if you're saving the franchise money, how come you not spend it on star receivers if he has extra money? Well, they spend it on corners.

They spend it on occasionally a linebacker. They pay their kicker well. They pay their secondary well. They paid gronk well. They pay their offensive line pretty well. I've always thought one of the, it's almost sounds like a Saturday Night Live bit. Tom's never the highest paid. Where's the money going? But what they do is they sprinkle it around to everybody.

They'll pay a kicker. They'll pay a defensive downline. They'll pay a center. But the only thing is, I just think it's unfair to ask millionaires to give a billionaire break. I just don't buy into that. Okay. How about this? The Raiders are on hard knocks. A friend of mine texted me last hour and he said, I'm driving in San Francisco. There's a big sign over the freeway.

HBO, John Gruden, holding the football. Derek Carr said yesterday when asked about the distraction, it's not a distraction, he said, because coach is always filming his presentation, so we're kind of used to it. I think John Gruden's good for business. I'm not sure he's going to be good for the AFC West standings. Absolutely. And this is the problem with the whole thing that's happened. It's a reality show and not about football.

That's why the Raiders are in the position they're in. It's always about everything else. Give a coach $100 million of ridiculous contract. Did you see John Gruden's record? Have you seen it since he won that Super Bowl, which was Tony Dungy's team? If it's very possible by the end of this year, John Gruden's record will be sub-500 in the NFL. This is what I'm saying. But yet he's given all this thing like he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

He's a TV star. He's a TV star, and that's why this stuff works. That's why the hard knocks. We get it. He spent almost a decade over at ESPN. He's very talented. Very talented television guy knows how to communicate. I get all that.

But I just wonder, at what point are you about a football coach and really trying to win? I'm not sure the Raiders are there. Well, you know, I will say this, Rob. I tend to watch the direction of a franchise. And, you know, for instance, the Rams here in L.A. They got Jared Goff. Then they found him a great young coach. And then they spent money on the offensive line.

So they were telling me, okay, our future is wrapped up in this coach, this quarterback, and protecting those assets. With the Raiders, we're not going to pay stars. Just kidding. We're going to overpay for Trent Brown and Antonio Brown. So they're messaging to me the public has been. They don't like stars. Just kidding, we do.

We're going to get a guy that's got a little character issue, Vontes Burfect, and then we're going to go in the draft, reach for guys because they have good character. I can never figure out what the Raiders are doing. They're all over the place. All over it. All over. And that's what, if you're a Raiders fan, where's the direction?

What are they really trying to do? They don't know what they're doing. It feels like they're making it up as they go. Right. And I think that's what people don't like. And I think that's why you can question John Gruden, despite being a Super Bowl winning coach. I think there's just too much stock put in that to that. This is a basketball that you're going to get all worked up on this.

So the all-decade team came out in the NBA. And it's not really fair to Kobe because Kobe's career didn't line up perfectly. So Kobe's on third team. And if he'd gone back five years before that, Kobe'd be on the first team. So it was Steph Curry, Harden, LeBron, and Kauai. It looks like, to me, the NBA All-Decade team is LeBron and people that could beat LeBron. And I mean, couldn't I just say it was LeBron's decade? Right.

And was it really LeBron's decade from this standpoint? He lost. He lost five championships during a decade. Should he be rewarded as it's his decade? Is it okay just to go to the championship or is it about winning? He lost more than he won. I don't get it. If LeBron James was the Buffalo Bills, you know, they went to four Super Bowls in a row and lost all four.

Marv Levy should be heralded or should be ostracized? Which one? Well, I think you acknowledge that Marv was great, but he fell short against often legendary teams. But this is the only problem. Four in a row is dubious. I could see if you went and lost one or maybe even two. To go four straight times and lose all four is a dubious accomplishment. You could ask any player. They would rather go once and win than ever go four Super Bowls. You know, it's funny about this.

You could make an argument that because of the impact Steph Curry had on changing the sport and because he had three titles, you could make an argument. It was the decade of Steph Curry. Now, again, the decade of, it's not just titles, by the way, because James Hardin made the first team. He didn't have any titles. Kobe's on the third team. He's got five. I could make an argument.

If you look at the, LeBron's a great player, and he has certainly made the league more mobile. Players now move more freely. But Steph Curry, I would argue, and I don't think it's much of an argument, changed the game to a much higher level. He brought the three ball in.

He eliminated centers. I get that part of it, but the only issue I have is he really didn't become a big winner until Durant got there. Well, he was a winner. Okay, but I'm saying a big winner because we saw this past year,

no Duran, no title. And they were looking for Steph Curry to come make some big shots at the end of the game. They didn't happen. Well, you're very tough on them. They lost Clay. They lost Looney. They lost Duran. Did he have an open look?

Oh, God. He had an open look. That's like saying... What a minute to go? He could have won that game with Clay Down. You want to talk about rising yourself up and showing what a great player. You would have said, no Duran, no Clay Thompson, and Steph Curry with a three wins it. What would you be telling me?

if he made that basket. Steph Curry changed the way the game has played. Steph Curry won a title without KD. Steph Curry beat LeBron. Steph Curry won 73 games to set a record in regular season. That's a lot of good. Now, by the way, I'm a radio host. I have bad segments.

I have bad sentences. But I think over the course of my life, you'd say he worked pretty hard and did a pretty good show. They all have blemishes. Michael Jordan didn't win squat between Worthy at Carolina and Pippen for eight years. I think you're dingin guys too hard for mistakes. when we always should take the bit. Like Kobe Bryant was a ball hog at times.

But overall, you look at Kobe and you're like, closest thing to MJ in our life. I get that. And I think that's a fair point. My only argument of pushback would be, I think people make step out to be that guy. And when you're 0 for 8 with the game tied or behind in the last 20 seconds, I don't think you're that guy, Colin.

You're a really good player, a great player. You're not that guy that they put them on that level. And that's the only difference. That's why I push back on step. For all the Q3s he's made, right, like he's playing the Washington Generals, none of them go down when it really matters. If he would have made that shot, I'd have to be right there in lockstep with you. That somehow, some way, he won a big game without Clay and without Durant.

Well, I mean, good God. Nobody can win if you don't have somebody. We didn't have Clay and Durant. Well, then who'd he have? Draymond Green average seven points a game. I did, but he had a shot. He had the shot, though. By the way.

He didn't get it. What do you make a Baker Mayfield chugging beers and stuff? I just, once again, it's amateur hour, frat boy, Central. I mean, I just, it doesn't, you know what, people can have a good time. I think you have to always remember you represent the organization. Cameras are on you. It's not a good look for kids. It just isn't.

And I'm not one of these guys who doesn't want to have any fun, but I think that there is a certain responsibility you have as a face of a franchise. See, I don't, that's, I don't think that's an, archaic view, I think I want my franchise quarterback. I always said this. Years ago I said, I don't like my franchise quarterback with her hat on backwards. Steve Spurrier heard it, went out and said on a press conference. He goes, what's that guy's name, Colin Carrick? I kind of agree with that. It's not the end of the world. But when you are the corner office representative, like you are the face of a billion-dollar franchise.

I do think there's a certain responsibility. I always said this. And I'm not a quarterback of an NFL team, not even close to it. When somebody comes up and wants a picture with me and I have a cocktail, I put it down. I don't want to represent my company. I have alcohol in my hand. It's not the end of the world. People know I like a cocktail. Right. But I, out of respect for Fox, I put the, I put the drink down. I put the drink once in my life. But when people come out and take a picture, I put the drink down, I'm representing the company. I'm out with my wife, but I'm still representing the company. You always 24-7 no matter what. I agree with that. And I think that there comes a responsibility. And maybe you'll be a,

and I are just very responsible. You know what? Me and you in chorus, we just with those guys, hey, you kids, get off my lawn. That's who we are. Rob Parker, good seeing you. Always. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. So both John and Jay Gurdon, we're both eligible to be selected for this year's heart knocks. But before the Raiders got the nigh, let's refresh ourselves on Jay's pitch to HBO. I think really, if they were smart, they would go to Oakland. I mean, seriously, I mean, what an entertainment value that would be. Tonyo Brown, John Gruden, Paul Gunther, Montez Berfect.

I mean, incognito. These guys got to be crazy not to go to Oakland. Well, they listened because he is right, and Washington did not draw the short straw to have to do it, but his brother did, and now he seems to be changing his tune. I think it's probably a lot on the plate for him. head coach to be able to handle that because you don't want to put anything out there that could you know be a negative light on a player set in a coaching staff meeting or whatever I'm sure

John will handle that but it's it's not easy for them to you know handle all that stuff I wouldn't like it I wouldn't like it at all I would not want to be culpable for what if I just had a god you would you forget at some point the cameras are watching well that's what happens and and not even that you forget what happens or that the cameras are watching there are things that you have to do that must be done behind closed doors that must not get out to the public or to the players, which is his point. If you are having a conversation about what players should stay in the team or not stay on the team, you're going to give your honest opinion to your assistant coaches and your personnel guys. And you may want to keep a guy, but the rest of your coaches feel differently

or vice versa. And you're having these conversations behind closed doors and then you end up keeping the guy. You don't want to kill his confidence. I think a coach always works when you're authentic. Players will say that. Am I getting the real guy? Sure. But once you put cameras in a room, nobody's real. Everybody's kind of faking it. You know, that and everybody wants the real

guy, but there's a certain way you can deliver the truth that keeps relationships stable and continue. There's how you say things. And when you're trying to put together a team, sometimes you don't have the time to sit there and say that. And when you have cameras

watching, you have to do that. Everybody plays to the If you put in your workspace cameras, you would start playing to the camera. Therefore, you're not authentic. Therefore, I'm an employee watching my boss playing to the camera, and I'm like, he's kind of fake. And I think the way to keep a locker room, even when you're losing games, which the Raiders will. To keep it real. Keep it real with a player. You can't keep it real with 100 cameras around.

It's got to be very stressful. I know they always say it's not a distraction, but it's got to be a distraction. You're asked about it every day. And then everyone watches and picks it apart. And it's just great for us. Like, it's great for the consumer. It's great for the media. We get a behind the scenes, even if it is playing to the camera, view of what goes on.

And training camp is an interesting time. It's very dynamic. You have cuts. You go through the preseason games. It's always very interesting. And this year is going to be great. So Jim Harbaugh is not a shy guy. And this week, he once again shared his thoughts on players skipping bowl games.

Here is what he told, part of my take. I think it hurts their actual. their legacy too, just what they're about. A competitor is going to compete. Everybody talks about it. They're a competitor. I'm a competitor. I'll compete at anything. I'll compete at golf or I'll compete at tidly winks. I mean, people say that all the time.

But then they actually don't go play in a football game. That's, to me, you have a problem now with who you are and what is a competitor and your legacy. It is an interesting thing where I do get the running back who's like, I've taken 700 hits. I'm going to take out the Liberty Bowl and not play. We haven't had a player leave a huge game, like a semifinal game yet. We've had players skip out of the Blue Bonnet Bowl. I'm okay with that.

But even there, I think it is a dance. It's a little tricky. I completely disagree. If it's a playoff game, then yeah, you should play. This is what you're playing college football for to win, and that is a game that matters. And even in those situations, if a player wanted to sit out, he would get a lot of backlash. Yeah. But I'm still on the player's side.

This is your body. to decide what you want to do. But if it's a non-playoff game, I mean, there are great, great high-level competitive bowl games that matter, but they're not playoff games at the end of the day. They are just to win that bowl. And you can end your career. Jake Butt in 2017 in the Orange Bowl, Tours A.C.L. He was drafted by the Broncos, missed the whole 2017 season, played three games in 2018 season,

and Taurus ACL again. And he just told the Denver Post that he always feels like he's going to break. And that's one example. You remember Jalen Smith? Yeah. horrible injury. And part of this might be because Michigan lost in the Peach Bowl very terribly to Florida. Yeah. And he's been losing bowl games. So he's in that position where he wants everybody out there. But look, legacy and all that stuff, it sounds nice. It's very poetic. It's very dreamy.

But at the end of the day, these guys that are sitting out bowl games are concerned about their future. Well, you know, also, bowl games are a money grab. I mean, after about six of them, you could get rid of all of them. There's about six I love. And the semifinal games are great. I like the rows. I always like the orange. But there's a lot of money grabbing, and I think players look at it and think, okay, you guys are just doing this for the money, so I'm going to protect my money. If college ball games weren't just a money grab, it would be harder for a player to sit out, but it's easy when a player says there's 2,800 people at this bowl game.

Nobody cares. Why are we playing it? And they're not going to – is that school going to bring me back as a coach and give me a career if my leg goes? Like, you're a high-level player. You're planning on playing football and making my – as a football player. Obviously, you're getting an education, but in the meantime, in this moment,

that's what you're concerned about. Finally, some have questioned how DeAngelo Russell will fit with the Warriors, and Steve Kerr believes that he will be successful and stress how important he will be to the Warriors. I'm excited to coach him. He's a great young talent, and I think he's going to fit right in with our group,

and we're going to need him desperately. Without Clay, especially, we need DeAngelo's scoring, and it's up to us as a staff to figure out, you know, how best to use them and to shape the team, shape the offense, and he'll figure it out. Russell is coming off of his best season. He averaged career highs and scoring and assists, 21 points and seven assists,

and he obviously helped the Nets snap a three-year playoff drought, and they're going to be without Clay for most of the season. I don't know why everyone is so skeptical of this move. I think it's more of the defensive ends than it is the offensive end because we know DeAngelo Russell is a good offensive player. Yeah. But Clay is one of the best two-way players in the game. So you have Steph who isn't known for his defense, and then you have DeAngelo Russell.

That, to me, is the bigger part of this scenario. He's also a moldable player. Unlike a Westbrook who's got $100 million MVP's, players as they age, you know, Kobe at the end. My game is my game. I think DeAngelo is still a moldable player. I mean, he has never won a big playoff series. He's never gotten super rich. I think if he comes into the system and starts winning and games get on television,

And he's like, oh, I can move without the ball better. And he's shown that in the right situation, he can excel and grow. So he's not, everyone thought his career was over when he left the Lakers. And he's proven otherwise. Yeah, I think the key for a player like that comes into a great system was Randy Moss moldable for the Patriots. Oh, darn right he was. For three years, Randy boss. And hungry.

Yes. Yeah, I think DeAngelo's moldable and hungry. You and I agree in that. I like the move. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News.

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Was in 2017 for San Francisco. Correct. So you got Kyle Shanahan. Jimmy G. was not. There's not there yet. Not in the beginning. We traded for him halfway through the season. Okay, so give me a, what are your gut feeling here on Jimmy G.

Did you like him? What do you hear about him? What did you see? Jimmy, aka Jimmy Smooth, is what I called him in the locker room. He was literally right across from me in the locker room and we would talk all the time. Jimmy wants to be great. You can tell that he came probably from a New England background. He does almost everything that Tom does, but he switches it up a little bit.

The way he preps, and just his mindset to the game is amazing to me. I think he could be really great. It really hurt me last year when he went down early in the season. Is he fiery? Brady can be really. Oh, yeah. Jimmy Devlin can be fiery. A lot of times he does the breakdown before we go out on the field.

That's how fiery is. And sometimes it depends on what team you are. A lot of quarterbacks don't do that. You might get a defensive lineman or a linebacker. But Jimmy is the one that calls it up before we go out on the field. And as soon as he came in, you can just feel it was like a breath of fresh air for the locker room when he came and we traded for him. And we ended up winning six games. down the stretch that year. You did. You did. And you didn't have nearly the roster you have

today. Exactly. His roster this year, they have to compete and win this year. I think there's a lot of expectations, as there should be, because they've spent a lot of money in free agency. They brought in D4. They traded for him. They also brought in Kwan Alexander, who's a really good player, too. Tampa Bay linebacker, super athletic. Definitely. And three headed monster at running back, you don't know who's going to play. I know Kyle Shanahan's excited about that, having three good running backs to play and can manipulate defenses and put them all over the field. And all Three of those backs can catch the ball at the backfield, which is very dangerous. Yeah, Kyle Shanahan loves that, by the way.

That's what he did in Washington. That's what he did in Atlanta. He likes his backs who can catch. All right, I come across his grumpy old man when I say, I don't like Baker Mayfield. It looks like he was way too good at the chug and beer thing. I do think quarterbacks are different. Michael Vic told me a story once early in his career before a game. He was raw, raw, raw.

And Dan Reeve said, you're the quarterback. You're not a running back. What did you make of Baker? Do I sound like an old cranky guy? You actually don't, Colin, especially during training camp, your franchise quarterback can't be out there chugging beers. Now, we've seen in the offseason Aaron Rogers, Matt Stafford, but the difference was that was in the offseason. You can't be doing that in the middle of the training camp when you're the face of the franchise. I love Baker, his fiery attitude in the way he comes to work.

But there's certain things as a franchise quarterback you cannot be seen doing on camera. Yeah. Now, Sam Darnold's the opposite personality. You played with the Jets. What are you hearing and do you like Sam? I hear a lot about Sam Donner that he's even killed. And you want that as a quarterback, a quarterback that's never too high or too low. So even when he throws interceptions, I want to say he just brushes him off,

but he goes back to the next play, all right, let's get it, guys. I think if he can turn down his turnovers and maybe go up on his touchdowns, he had 15 interceptions last year and only 17 touchdown passes. If he can get to like 25, 26 with that defense they have and also having Levian Bell, a little safety net for him, I think he can be really great. When you were with the Jets, there's always been this, perception, at least to me, there is some level of dysfunction. Not Cleveland dysfunction, perhaps, but some level.

When you were there, did you ever sense that? I wouldn't say it was dysfunction. Because you won there, didn't you? We went 8-8. My first year at Rex in 2013, and then 2014, we had an off-season. We had a lot of issues going on in the locker room, and they fired Rex. And then we brought in Todd Bowles in 2015, which we did win. We went 10 and 6.

And that was the area where I feel like it's kind of like this year's Jet's team, where they brought in a lot of free agents. That year we brought in Brandon Marshall. We brought Revis back. We brought Cromartie back. We added Buster Screen at our nickel slot corner and James Carpenter. Kind of like this year when they brought in C.J. Mosley, I think Brian Poole, a lot of guys aren't really talking about as their nickel guy.

He's made an immediate impact in camp this year. And they've brought in a lot of different guys, especially the Office of Line, Colice O'Simmely, Ryan Killil, and they just traded for Alex Lewis. I think they're building it the way we built it from the inside out. And any time you build it through the train. You can be successful. That's what Philadelphia has done through the years, New England, O-line, D-Line, secondary. Let's talk about the Raiders.

They'll be on HBO tonight. I work with Gruden at my former employer. He's a TV star. So he was a football coach, and then he became a TV star. And I've always said TV is really easy money. It's hard to let go of it, right? So once you're a TV star, you may go back to the kitchen as a chef or the football team as a coach, but you're still a TV star.

No question. And I think it can be distracting. Now, Joe Gibbs left, went into NASCAR. That's a different business. Then it came back into the NFL. But once you're a television star, it doesn't matter if you're Gordon Ramsey, a chef, Robert Irvine, or you're John Gruden. It's hard. You're always a TV star.

I think they're too distracted. I don't love what I see. Your thoughts. There's a lot going on there, as you said, Colin. I mean, for one, you got Hartnucks, which is automatically going to bring a lot of hoopla around your team, which airs tonight, matter of fact. So we'll see what they've been doing in training camp. And then you bring an A, B, who, I want to say a controversial player, but has had some issues off the field, but it's a great player.

And right now he's not even playing for you. So that alone right there, there's a lot going on with that. He's your brand new toy. Of course, you want him out there playing. You traded away two first rounders in Khalil Mack, which is a once-in-a-generational player and Amar Cooper last year. And my thing is, the compensation you get back for them, the first-rounders, they have to hit.

They have to be playmakers right away. Because when you trade away a guy like Khalil Mac, you saw in Chicago what he did. Not just for that defense, he ignited that offense. And the whole team, the whole city of Chicago was behind that team. And it took them to the playoffs. So when you trade away two players like that, I mean, you almost have to win. And those first-round picks, they have to be good.

Yeah, I mean, when you, you know, it's funny about like Antonio Brown, O'Dell Beckham a little bit. Nobody disputes their talent. Pittsburgh's like, we're done with it. Giants are like, we're done with it. Now, Pittsburgh and the Giants historically win. The Raiders and the Browns, last 10 years, losers are like, We'll take those noisy guys.

I get people having unique personalities. Were you ever on a team in your 10 years where you did feel that there was a guy? I mean, some people said Rex Ryan was disrupted. Did you ever feel like there was a player that it did pull at the fabric of the team? I wouldn't say player. I would say like you said Rex, everybody thought Rex was a little bit distracting. But us as players, we love Rex. He was a player's coach.

And I feel like the energy he brought day in and day out made us really want to run through a brick wall for him. And you saw that on his defenses. Like every year his defense was in a team. top 10. So I wouldn't say we had a player per se. We were like, man, this guy's really draining us. The energy is bad in the locker room. But a lot of people said that Rex Ryan was that guy for us, even though he wasn't a player. But I feel like Rex, what he did and the job that he did in New York, really helped out on the defensive event. Now, when I played, we didn't have a lot of offensive help when Rex was there. And we didn't get

a lot of that help until 2015 when Bowles got there when they signed a lot of players in the offseason. But I feel like Rex did a great job in New York. Leje deusabelle is joining us 10 years in the NFL. Your father was Haitian. You came as a young child. You came to Florida. You got central Florida. You really are the NFL.

We say this all the time. You can spot basketball talent by 15. You know Dwight Howard, Kobe, LeBron. Football talent's different. Half the NFL is undrafted. You are the classic NFL story where you go to camp. Some undrafted guy from a directional school comes in like you. And 10 years later, you're still earning checks.

Go back to your history. When you go into these camps, now. Can you spot guys early on? You're like, I don't even know where that school is. Do the young unsung guys like you, do they stand out early? It just depends. To me, when

I see an unsung hero or unsung undrafted guy, it's usually based off his effort. And that's what I always try to do. I used to always make sure I had more effort than anybody in the field. Nobody was going to outwork me. And my father used to tell me this when I was younger. When I was in high school, getting ready to sign my Division I

scholarship. I had the athletic director tell me that nobody in our team was Division I worthy on this high school team. And my dad used to tell me this every day, how bad do you want it, son? So I used to write that on a piece of paper and put it in my locker. How bad do I want it? Along with what stats I wanted that year, and I would look at it every day. I put one on the back of my door in my master bedroom and in my locker room, and I would look at that every single day, and it would fuel me. How bad do you want it? People used to tell me all the time what I could and couldn't do, but I would tell people there's no way I'm not going to make it to the NFL. and I told myself coming into the NFL,

I was going to pay no less than eight years. My marker was 8 to 10, and I made it to year 10. Great story. Lee J, 10 years plus in the NFL, does some Jets broadcasting as well. Pleasure to meet you. Our 3 is next. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day,

seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Hey, LeVar Erington played seven years, pro-bowler half of them, second, two-time first team All-American at Penn State. We're going to get some great college video against Tom Brady in a second. Don't go anywhere. By the way, I just want to read this to you. So this comes from Evan Silva.

Evan Silva is tweeting a Chicago Tribune article on Mitch Trubisky. According to Bears observers at practice, Mitch Trubisky's first two weeks of training camp, uneven and occasionally frustrated. It's funny because last year when they lost in the playoffs, Matt Nagy's the coach, very clever, Andy Reid disciple, play designer, super clever, very McVeigh, Kyle Shanahan, one of the four or five, like super smart young guys under 50, right? And when Tribesky on that final drive couldn't pull it out,

visibly you could see Matt Nagy was, because he had the plays and the personnel, was so frustrated. Joy and I talk about this. When I watched my television set, there's a big difference between Tim Tebow, who can win with a defense in, Matt Prater. And then there's a difference between that and trailing in a game late. When LeVar Arrington's on the edge, everybody in the stadium knows the quarterback's got to throw.

Here comes that setup. All right, that's a great setup. But my point is, with Mitch Trubisky and Lamar Jackson, Joy and I talk about this. It's easy to throw with a lead. I don't see them as guys who can win shootouts in this league. And I think sometimes your defense stinks and you have to. Well, that's a tough one. You like Trabisky? I do like Trabisky. What do you like? Oh, man.

You know, I like his ability to compete. I think that as he continues to move forward and what he's able to do, a lot of it will come from the comfort of what he's able to do, playing with a defense that can accomplish what they can accomplish. which you have the ability to play from in front more often than you'll probably play from behind. You've got a decent running game. I like Chubisky's game.

I think he's a competitor. I think he sees the field well, and I think with some more experience, I think he'll be right up there with him. Tomorrow, Dak Prescott, Mitch Trubisky. You got to have one your GM. I take Dak. Dak gets a lot of heat.

I'd take Dak in one second. I don't want to make a hypothetical decision on that based upon the fact that they both bring some some pretty strong qualities to the table. I think DAC has played well at times, but I think there's been times you can look at Dax's game and you could probably make some of the comparisons that we make to Chubisky. I mean, I really do. You know, I think they are both competitors. I think that they're both going to continue to grow and mature as players in the National Football League.

I think that it will come down to having stability in Chicago versus DAC has stability for what it's worth up until now dealing with the contract situations, but he's had stability. You know, Garrett has been there. You know what you're going to get in Dallas, and they got a pretty doggone good offensive line. Well, Trubisky last year of Health, he had help and stability, and Lamar Jackson had help and stability, whereas Josh Rosen. You do have that in Baltimore. You do have that in Baltimore.

Yeah, and Josh Rosen, by the way, did not have stability, and he flamed out. So that I haven't necessarily stayed stability in Chicago yet. I think there still needs to be a little bit more, you know, with the stability of the head coach and just how things are done there. I just think it's been a little turbulent. Oh, it has for a decade. Yeah. So I just, I think Chicago is not so much, but Baltimore, I definitely,

there's definitely stability in Baltimore. Let's, so Baker's chugging beer and everybody says, Colin, we knew you'd overreact. And to that I said, yeah, I don't love it. It's training camp. You're a franchise quarterback. I don't love it. It's not the end of the world.

Would you make of it? I just think that those are the back storylines to what has happened with quarterbacks that have gone to Cleveland. And I think people want to see Baker Mayfield do well. I think they want to see him succeed. And to see him, you know, maybe in a moment being maybe irresponsible over what he represents to the city of Cleveland and to the team itself, I think it was poor, I think it was poor taste because of what his opportunities are. It's very frat boy.

It is. And I think a lot of people like him for who he is. Right. But I think the backstory of why there is maybe trepidation and why there is so much concern is, it's eerily similar to what you saw when Johnny Mansell came into town, right? Same team. And you got to assume that, well, that's the reason why. It's the same team, same city,

and it's almost airily similar in terms of... Big 12 quarterbacks, cocky. Come on, man. Same thing. Same thing. So it's, it's, you're looking at him, Mayfield, like, okay, we want to see this guy succeed. You have the tools. I mean, it's one of the more talented, loaded offenses coming into the season.

And they got guys on defense as well. If he fails, what is the reasoning behind him failing? These videos. There you go. There you go. So now it's not a story today only because it's a story to set up the story. So if it becomes a story that Baker Mayfield isn't playing well, Baker Mayfield is struggling.

Baker Mayfield can't read the defenses. You'll look at this. You'll look at you'll look back. He should have been playing more attention to doing this versus chugging beers, frat boy style, at different events. By the way, Tom Brady signed a new deal and he put his house on the market briefly, which tells me he was signaling to New England. I love you, but you're not going to embarrass me here.

I'll put my house up for sale. Me and the supermodel, we'll move. I thought it was classic Brady, which is even to the end now, he's super competitive. You know, I want to show a video of you and Tom Brady. This is so funny. Okay. Michigan, Penn State.

Tell me what happened. You saw Brady before. I whooped them. We were whooping them. You led big in the forest. That was when Tom Brady was just Tom Brady and Lovar Arrington was the name. Yeah, you were the big name. Let's think about that.

43 right there. Brandon Short, 86. Courtney Brown out there. Look at Tom. Looking at his arm. He's getting scuffed up. Look at this hustle. You bury him here.

Watch. Look at this hustle, though. I mean, you know, I'm like the guy you forget about, but I did pretty well at some point in town. You know, that was a really, really interesting game because we were whooping them so good that we were pulled off with maybe 10 minutes left in the game. And I'd like to believe that the legend of Tom Brady probably started in Beaver Stadium in 1999. You were up by 10 in the fourth quarter with three and a half left. And he threw two crossing patterns to Marcus Knight and beat us with the same exact play. And it still hurts me to this day to even recall it.

Did you face Drew Brees? He was at Purdue, same time. So that was the quarterback of the conference. You know, at the time, Tom Brady's splitting, splitting time with Drew Henson, right? Drew Henson is starting in the game, right? We played this guy right here. I mean, that was the legend. And that was the guy that you had to go out there and play against and try to be.

Drew was the better college quarterback. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. You remember Drew Brees. Sack, touchdown, LeVarerrington. Of course. Look at this move. Look at that.

Now, they'll say that, oh, he's an athlete. You know, I was always downplayed for being an athlete, not being a football player. But I'd like to believe I was a football player, call it. I played football. I studied their linemen. I knew they were big, strong linemen. We knew what our game plan needed to be. I think he had been sacked five times coming into that game.

And as you can see by the highlights, I got two on them in one game. I blocked a field goal with my chest. I don't like to sound like I'm bragging, but I'm like, it's kind of like a big deal in college, man. Can I ask you this? Did you know Drew, when you looked at film that week, did you know he was great? Oh, absolutely. I knew that Tom Brady was special. You did?

Absolutely. In college. Absolutely. Absolutely. I knew that Drew Henson could play in the last. league. I played against Antoine Randwell. There were a lot of very, very talented

players in our time. That was the last time the Big Ten had a bunch of great quarterbacks. It was Bradian Breeze. Yeah. Can you imagine that? I remember Drew one night played Wisconsin. You can go look it up. Goulet, go look this up. I'm going, rain man. Drew Breeze played Wisconsin

in Madison. It was a night game. Beautiful night in Wisconsin. And I think Drew Breeze, I could be wrong, through for 450 yards. And John Gouley will have this. It's Purdue at Wisconsin. It's a Saturday night and it was like 50 something and Drew Brees through

for I think five football fields. What is that? 2000. Might have been 2000. Yeah. I think you're right. Yeah. All right. Let's go back and by Goulet, when you get it, just shout it out because you know I'll be right. So when you look at this camp, the Raiders now are on hard knocks and Cleveland's

making a bunch of noise, were you ever on a team, Washington or the Giants, where you did feel in camp, it wasn't quite buttoned up. Could you tell anything in camp? Does it give you any signals? My entire career in Washington. Six years.

The entire time. Always loud. Always loud, bro. Win the offseason. Win the offseason campaign. You know, win with free agents. When with draft picks. But what are you doing during the season?

Like I told you before last time I was on the show, we talked about guys that I play with my rookie season. So you're talking about they brought in Bruce Smith, Dion Sanders, Mark Carrier, Irving Fryer was on that team. Dana Stubblefield was on that team. Conard Lang on the offensive side. Like I said, Brad Johnson was the starter. They brought in Jeff George as the backup.

You have Brad Johnson and Jeff George. So you were very noisy going into seasons. Always. Do you think it hurt the team and the season? I honestly believe if you're going to be as bodacious and the things that you do to support what your fan base is looking for, you have to have internally the structure in place for you to have success as a franchise. And you said was the loudness, was it too loud or buttoned up? it needed to be an organization that encouraged being who you are and having the stars that you have,

but understanding that at some point you have to play football. There has to be development of football players. There has to be development of game plans to win. There has to be development of us as an organization and as personnel. And I don't think that, I still think that the Redskins struggle with that to this day. No, I think you're right. That's my thing with the Raiders. I'm not disputing.

They've got talent and they're interesting. But this sport comes down to game plans and developing players. Well, we talked about, we also talked about in shows prior of franchises and football teams, right? You're looking, we're talking about football teams. We're not talking about franchises. If we're talking about a franchise, now if you have noise coming into camp, it quiets down. It's managed a certain type of way. There is noise in Pittsburgh right now, right?

There's been noise over the last couple years. Let's see how they handle it. Let's see how they handle it and where they end up versus where Oakland ends up or where Cleveland. I still say Cleveland doesn't turn into this superpower football team because they're a football team. they're not a franchise. Steelers are a franchise. And we'll see how that plays out. Lovar Earrington, great seeing.

You love the Brady and Breeze stuff. So crazy, man. Like, you really hurt my feelings. What's that? I was happy about it, but, you know, there was a time. You lost the games. You know, but we lost. We beat Drew Breeze, though.

We beat Purdue. We did be crazy about that. By the way, what's the answer on this? Okay, so here's the thing. He had a game against Wisconsin where he completed 55 passes and had like nearly 500 yards. Thank you. lost. He also threw four picks. I didn't care about that. I just said he threw

for a bunch of yards. What year was it? He tied it was 98. He tied the record for completions. 55 completions against Wisconsin. He threw 83 passes. Wow. Purdue did not have much of a power running game at that time, if I recall. But Wisconsin did. They had

a guy by the name of Ron Dane in that back field. Seasel Martin was blocking. He went to multiple Rose Bowls. Yes, yes. And they won all of them, by the way. And they won all of them. Oliver Arrington. Joy the news. Good scene. No. No. No. No. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. We just saw some old Tom Brady footage and he is still playing. He just got a two-year extension through the 2021 season. But 2020 and 2020 and 2021 are actually void years, which is similar to the other guy we were just talking about. Drew Brees, who has a five-year extension that he got in 2016 that includes three void years. And when Tom Brady was talking about it yesterday, he kind of compared himself to just any other guy on the team that's, you know, just trying to prove himself. Yes.

It's really the reality for most guys in the NFL, you know, I don't want to think that I'm any different than everyone else. Like, it's football is a tough business. It's a production business. And, you know, I'm ready to go this year. And that's really what matters. And that's where my focus is. It's a unique situation. It is what it is.

That's a good line. So whoever said it, it's very pertinent. Like I said, there's a lot of guys who have. you know, one year left on their contract. You know, so the situation, I got one year to go, and we'll see what happens. So humble. Just another guy. Might as well be a backup punner.

This is what drives people crazy about Tom Brady. Wonderful human. Why? What's wrong with that? I mean, come on. You're not every other guy who's going into a year of the contract where you can be cut. It's not the same thing. Sure sounds like he thinks that, though.

It's what the Patriots do. They convince themselves that they're underdogs every single year. I don't know how they do it. Mind control. It is mind control. It makes no sense. What do you mean? What do you mean?

It's Tom Brady. It seems to bother you as a Pittsburgh native and a Miami Dolphin fan. It drives me insane. I have a lot of respect for what the Patriots have done, because how can you not, especially Tom Brady. But it is amazing how they do this every single year. It's like us against the world. everybody's doubting us. Nobody's giving us, you know, any credits.

Just another guy. I'm just another guy who's going to prove himself and make sure I don't get cut next year. I love Belichick's mind control. It's fascinating. It is. But you know what, though? This is part of the reason why Brady is so great

because it's not easy to get to the top, but it's even harder to stay there. And part of the reason why the greats are consistently great is because they convince themselves that they're not great And they have to keep working and they have to keep reinventing themselves. And they have to keep changing their body and paying attention to the trends and seeing what's happening in their surroundings. As Greg Popovich says, they get over themselves quickly. Like everybody's into themselves at 24.

Can you get over yourself? Tim Duncan got over himself really quickly. And Tim's like, I want to win a bunch of games and titles. And by the way, I'm not just saying this being glib. This is hard for everybody. Absolutely. And even like even, you know, Jordan is not somebody that anyone. would consider to be humble,

but he found ways to get motivated every single time. He had this mentality that everyone was against him. Well, I would say this, Joey. Phil Jackson came to him and said, you want to score 60 do you want to win? Michael had to get over himself a little bit. He had to get over the scoring titles. And Michael, as a businessman, looked at it and thought,

I want to win over score. So I think Michael Jordan, to some degree, got over having to score 16. Yeah, everyone has to go. Most people, I won't say everyone, because some people just have that mentality. Right. most people do have to get over themselves, but this is really part of the reason

why the Patriots are so great every year. It's fascinating. I'm making jokes, but if you can convince yourself that you have to work harder than everybody else and you have something to prove and that nobody believes in you, that is a great motivating factor to stay working hard when you have as any championships as they do and when you have had this success that they've had. Let's go to the Browns.

So Freddie Kitchens wants to make it known that zero insider information will be leaked from the Browns organization under his watch. He delivered that message yesterday, responding to some criticism from former offensive line coach Bob Wiley. Listen, Bob wasn't under contract. He forgot to tell everybody that. He wasn't under contract. He had talked about retiring forever.

All right. So sometimes when a person says something, they have to be made to feel relevant. The days of inside information and the days of unnamed sources and stuff like that have ended. You're not going to get any information like that ever. anybody. And if I ever see it, they're fired immediately. That's the way we're running this organization. And I can take it. John Dorsey can take it.

We won't crack. I promise you. Don't think he had to tell us all that stuff, really. I don't want to be too hard on Freddie Kitchens. I agree. You're right. You're right. I really don't. I don't like this. I don't see any point in responding to him at all. Just next question

and kill the story. It's not worth it. There's nothing about it. going to help in responding. And then you run into the situation, which he did, where you start making these outlandish threats that really mean nothing. It's organizations that don't have leaks, don't have leaks because, as we discussed earlier, everyone's on the same page. You have one direction, you have one mantra, you have one goal. You trust the leader. You trust the leader and you trust each other. That's how leaks don't happen.

The Clippers, the Spurs, the Patriots, everyone does their job, knows their role. There's not a fear of constantly being fired. literally what you're saying is the opposite of it. When people are afraid for their jobs and afraid for their future, that's when leaks happen because they have to control their narrative. And if they do get fired, well, why did you get fired? It's so dysfunctional over there. Were you a part of the reason why?

I'm rooting for the Browns this year. I actually do want them to be successful. And I don't want to be too hard in Freddie Kitchens. That's fair. He's in a tough situation as it is, and it is very early. Finally, so this is interesting. We were just discussing this as well. Mitch Trubisky is coming off a productive sophomore season under what was

then the first year head coach Matt Nagy. He was coached the year. They had 12 wins and went to the playoffs, but now we're taking a look into this season. And Bears quarterback coach told ESPN, this is the time to push the envelope. If not now, when coach Nagy is a great coach to play quarterback for specifically in these types of settings and training camp because he allows you to go out there, test some throws to see what you can get away with. We're constantly pushing that mentality. And now the report out of Bears camp is not quite so positive. Trobiski's been uneven and at times disappointing. You know, again, like their GM,

like their coach, like their roster, love their defense. Usually, all my belief systems start with coach quarterback. I don't love their quarterback. I mean, I'm there with you. First of all, I think that the Packers are going to win the division this year.

I think that Aaron Rogers is one of those chip on the shoulder guys and he has everything to prove this year. He's had a lot of people talk bad about him in the past couple years and doubted him. And now he's in a new situation, and I think that they are going to be very good. I don't think that the Bears are going to be bad. No.

I just don't trust Mitch Trubisky as that guy in the moments, and can he lead you to a comeback victory? Can he make that clutch throw in the big moments? And that's what matters in the postseason. Yeah, could they become the Chargers, a cold weather version of the Chargers? We know the roster's good. Right. We like a lot about him, but do you ever trust him in a big spot?

That's where I feel like with the Chargers, they got to show me they can win in that big spot. I know the talent's there. I know Chicago's talent's there, but boy, if you give me this Chicago team against Aaron in the playoffs or golf in the playoffs, McVeigh in the playoffs, Kyle Shanahan in the playoffs, I don't see it. Philadelphia, Wentz, I don't see it. I hate to use cliches, but it's a game of inches. And those crucial moments, those split-second decisions are the difference between winning and losing in the playoffs in the NFL. And I don't know if I can trust that yet. Yeah, enjoy with the news.

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What matters? We call it the three-word game. Today we start with the NFC. Here we go. Dallas Cowboys, America's noisiest team. Listen, Jerry Jones is the most public owner. in American sports. Mark Cuban's probably second.

I couldn't tell you who's third. I would prefer my owner be Stan Cronky. Owns four teams, you never see him. But as long as Jerry runs at their public, my problem is this offseason, this is a very good young team with many special players. I don't think we need an update

on Zique, Dak, and Amari's contracts on a regular basis. But they've gone public for years. This is the most public they've been. I don't love it. Eagles, Wence and for all. By the way, that's only three words because we used the symbol for and. Listen, they gave Carson Wence the big contract.

They shipped Nick Foles out. They've told you the direction. He's our guy. Am I concerned about the injuries? Absolutely. Do I think he's an elite talent? Oh, yes. I think he's in the Andrew Luck class, even the Patrick Mahomes class.

I love their offensive line play. I love their defensive line play. There's so much about this organization I like. I would say if Wence is healthy and I knew that, Super Bowl favorites. That's how strongly I feel about Philadelphia. Offense, defense, coaching, GM. But it all comes down to

Carson Wentz and his health. Giants. QB versus Newby. Eli and Daniel Jones, this is the storyline. They just had cluster injuries at wide receiver, putting more pressure on Eli Manning. They have upgraded their own line.

Evan Ingram's a terrific young tide end. Saquan Barkley is a home run hitter at running back. But in this league, can have all of those components. Is your quarterback capable of carrying you when your defense doesn't show up? And the Giants defense has a whole bunch of holes. Olivier Vernon, gone. Landon Collins, gone.

It's quarterback, QB versus the newbie, Daniel Jones. Redskins. Haskins for trouble. I think Dwayne Haskins is going to be arguably the best quarterback out of this class. But it's a dysfunctional organization. They've been hit and miss on drafting. They generally overpay for free agents. Trent Williams is their best offensive lineman, and he wants out.

I think if you have to play Dwayne Haskins early, he is the type of college quarterback that needs a year. Some guys don't. Some guys have the perfect college coach, moves them right into the NFL. I think he needs a year, and it could get ugly. Tampa Bay, Winston or Lewston? This is the last year for James. I know that was awful.

I think Bruce Ariens and those weapons guarantee that James is productive. Can he be a grown-up? Can he stay out of the headlines? Can he be an alpha yet lead men and not get in trouble? Do or die year for James Winston. Falcons. Quinn better win. Dan Quinn's a good coach.

Good coaches get fired when they don't win. Matt Ryan is now moving out of his peak years. They have very good personnel. They have drafted very well. strong owner, strong GM, strong quarterback. What's that mean? Pressure now on Dan Quinn, the coach. Carolina Panthers, never cam tell.

Roller coaster cam. They could be great, or they could be seven and nine. Shoulder surgery will have to wait. Christian McCaffrey, for the record, it's been a great addition. Wide receivers, they're average. They're good to better than good everywhere else, but I never can get a read on them.

Saints. get over it. Listen, it was a bad call. You got to get over it. You still have a good O-line to great. Quarterbacks aging. Lost Mark Ingram. You've got to get over it.

This division's way too good. The NFC is way too good for you to hold a grudge against the NFL. Let's go to the 49ers in the NFC West. Give me more Jimmy. Real simple. The roster's better. They've got the coach. They've upgraded O-line.

I don't love their corners defensively, but they have the pieces now. They can win this division. Not saying they will, but I want to see Jimmy Garoppolo. Eight starts, six and two. I need to see more, but I'm very hopeful. Arizona, Murray up offense. Reports are Kyler Murray's amazing. Kind of shocked, to be honest.

But then maybe it's Oklahoma head coach Lincoln Riley. Baker and Kyler Murray walk into the league. They're ready to go. I think it's a fascinating story. I don't know how it's going. going to turn out. Joy and I say this. It's the great mystery of the NFL and I can't wait. Rams.

No hangover here. Folks, they're good. All right? They got to the Super Bowl. They've drafted well last couple of years. They have all the components. Owner, GM, coach, quarterback. Jared Goff, according to players, was voted top 10 in the NFL. No reason to step back. Aaron Donald's still in his

prime. Cooper Cup comes back at wide receiver. They're good. Seahawks. Russ got his. I don't know where to go of this. I think Russ deserved every penny. Their offensive line is still ma'am. Bobby Wagner's great, but they're very young defensively. The division's gotten better. Listen, they had to pay Russ, so they got four draft picks, turn them into 11. They're going to rely on some draft picks to really have to hit this year. And they may.

Pete's a great developer of young players. They're going to need some of their young guys, like rookies, to pop. Let's go to the NFC North. Bears, Tribisky or Falsbisky? I know that's awful. used it last year. I just don't know what he is. First year bad, second year better. Disappointing now in camp. I don't know what he is. Do you know what he is? I know the defense is great. I know Nagy's good. I like a lot about him. Winnable division. Winnable division. I have no idea what I get with him. I got to watch. I think he has a very low ceiling. Detroit Lions. Matt or Dormat? Matt Patricia, Matt Stafford, or are they in fourth again? This division's really, really good. Matt Patricia

brought Tray Flowers over from New England. People say he's a genius. I still can't figure out why he has a pencil in his hair with a laminated play sheet. Pensils don't work on laminated play sheets. A lot of people think he's really, really good. We'll have to see, Matt

Stafford, I need more big games and big moments against the Packers. Vikings. Kirk Better Work. I do think Kirk Cousins is going to rebound this year, and I think he's going to have a very nice year, because I think he's a very nice quarterback. But in the end, he has not been good on Monday night football,

Thursday night football, big games against rivals. Kirk better work. Mike Zimmer's a good coach, outside of offensive line. I like their personnel across the board, really like their receivers, really like their linebackers. It's time for Kirk Cousins' stuff up. And finally the Packers, Le Fleur or Le Sealing. I think it's going to work. I think Aaron and Matt Lefleur are going to work. I think the organization has drafted defense last two years and been smart with their defensive free agent money.

I think Devonte Adams is a star and Aaron Jones is good at running back. They develop offensive linemen. I think it's going to work. I like them to win the division. But if it doesn't work, the excuses are over because this is the best defense Aaron's had in at least five or six. six years. See you tomorrow. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports

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