The Herd with Colin Cowherd - FantasyPros - Draft or Pass on These Fantasy Football Gambles: Boom-or-Bust Picks For 2025 (Ep. 1675)

Episode Date: August 30, 2025

Join Joe Pisapia, Pat Fitzmaurice, and Chris Welsh as they debate whether you should be drafting or passing on some boom or bust players in your remaining 2025 fantasy football drafts! Timestamps: (May be off due to ads) Intro - 0:00:00 Christian McCaffrey - 0:02:33 Breece Hall - 0:08:46 R.J. Harvey - 0:13:03 Joe Mixon - 0:17:48 Washington Commanders RBs - 0:21:39 DraftKings BestBall - 0:25:04 Tyreek Hill - 0:26:41 Tetairoa McMillan - 0:32:07 Rugiet - 0:35:22 Rashee Rice and Xavier Worthy - 0:36:36 Chubbies - 0:41:25 Travis Hunter - 0:43:24 Lightning Round - 0:47:24 Los Angeles Rams WRs - 0:47:44 New Orleans Saints WRs - 0:48:24 Justin Fields - 0:49:37 Drake Maye - 0:50:40 Travis Kelce - 0:51:55 Tyler Warren - 0:52:49 Outro - 0:53:53 Helpful Links: 👑 DraftKings Best Ball – Join in on the chance to win your share of $15M in prizes through DraftKings Best Ball Contest! No weekly roster management, set and forget lineups, season-long excitement and a chance at a cut of $15M in prizes! Entry Fee is only $20 and you get a bonus ticket when you sign up at:  Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER. In New York, call 8778-HOPENY or text HOPENY at 467369. In Connecticut, help is available for problem gambling. Call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org. Eighteen plus in most eligible states, but age varies by jurisdiction. Eligibility restrictions apply. Void where prohibited. One per customer. Enter the Best Ball $15M headliner contest by 9/4/25 to get one bonus entry. Twenty dollar entry fee required. Reward expires in thirty days. See terms at draftkings.com/nfl-best-ball. Sponsored by DK. Draft Assistant - Get live support during your fantasy football draft with the Draft Assistant. Connect the Draft Assistant to your draft and get real-time suggestions based on expert rankings, team needs, and positional scarcity. Get the most value out of every pick in your fantasy football draft with the Draft Assistant. Learn more at fantasypros.com/assistant or download our Fantasy Football Draft Wizard app on Google Play or App Store. Draft Simulator - Master your draft strategy by testing it out in minutes using our Draft Simulator. The Draft Simulator allows you to practice quick and fun, realistic mock drafts based on your league settings in minutes. Sync your league for FREE and try it today at fantasypros.com/mock. Rugiet - Connect with a provider at rugiet.com/FANTASYPROS to see if a RugietReady prescription is right for you. You can use code FANTASYPROS to get 15%off today. That’s rugiet.com/FANTASYPROS and use promo codeFANTASYPROS to get 15% off today. Chubbies - Want to level up your gameday wardrobe? Chubbies has bold designs for all of their officially licensed NFL gear! Use code FantasyPros at chubbiesshorts.com for $10 off your order.  Follow us on Twitch - The team here at FantasyPros is taking questions all week, every week on Twitch. We've got exclusive live content there every single weekday. Follow us on Twitch at twitch.tv/fantasypros and never miss a stream! Discord – Join our FantasyPros Discord Community! Chat with other fans and get access to exclusive AMAs that wind up on our podcast feed. Come get your questions answered and BE ON THE SHOW at fantasypros.com/chat Leave a Review – If you enjoy our show and find our insight to be valuable, we’d love to hear from you! Your reviews fuel our passion and help us tailor content specifically for YOU. Head to Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever else you get your podcasts and leave an honest review. Let’s make this show the ultimate destination for fantasy football enthusiasts like us. Thank you for watching and for showing your support – https://fantasypros.com/review/ BettingPros Podcast – For advice on the best picks and props across both the NFL and college football each and every week, check out the BettingPros Podcast at bettingpros.com/podcast, our BettingPros YouTube channel at youtube.com/bettingpros, or wherever you listen to podcasts.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I got to be honest with you. I'm not surprised that some of these guys are expecting just things to be sent to them without any information. Us hosts out here, Joe, and sometimes part-time analysts, we got to get a little bit more in the streets. By the way, I want to point this out. You know what my favorite thing about this is besides the comfort? It's not one of those shirts where you feel like you have to up. I know we're not even doing the ad. but I didn't feel like I had to like upplay the size, you know, where it's like, you got to go a size.

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And we're going to talk about whether or not we should be drafting or passing them, see what the guy's opinions are. And maybe I'll chime in to break a tie if need be. Let's start here with Christian McCaffrey. Christian McCaffrey in July was going around the, what, 14th player overall in baseball. And I thought, wow, that's a really intriguing value. I think I could be it on Christian McCaffrey there. Well, real-time ADP on Fantasy Pros tells me, now he is the seventh player.

that number has been cut in half and also cut down to zero is the playing time in the preseason. Zero appearances for Christian McCaffrey. He's in bubble wrap. Also, the San Francisco 49ers did go out and acquire another running back. And I know Isaac Rendell wasn't healthy and Brian Robinson is there now. And depth is important. It's the NFL. But there's a lot of potential flags here, Christian McCaffrey.

The potential upside is the best player in fantasy. We know that. We've seen that. But we didn't see a lot of Christian McCaffrey last year. And there's been some other seasons where we haven't seen that. as well. And it's now costing you a lot to get Christian McCaffrey. So I'm going to start with Mr. 49 or it is chubby shirt today. Draft or pass CMC at his current ADP. Well, if it's not obvious, we're clearly going to pass. No, I'm just kidding. Of course. We're going to draft. No, of course.

I just fooled you. What are you talking about here? Which one is. Yeah, no, we are going to draft Christian McCaffrey. If I didn't draft it in the shirt, it'd be disgusting. But I mean, you know, you kind of laid it out. He's the ultimate boom or bust pick. 2004 absolute loss cause. But I and maybe this is a struggle that I have sometimes, but I've said this from time and time again, when you have a player that has an injury tag to them and has production loss, I think there's a lot more justification. When you have a player, win healthy, who can be one of the best players in that sport, that's a consideration that you need to take a little bit more seriously. And you have the

injuries were really bad, but the one thing we know about Christian McCaffrey, regardless of who else out, they don't care who they bring it. Brian Robinson doesn't matter if they bring in 12 more running backs. When Christian McCaffrey is healthy, it is Christian McCaffrey's team. In 2023, you know how many games he did not finish as a top 12 running back and half PPR? Four. You know how many games he did not finish as a top 24 RB, so at least an RB2? Zero. So, I mean, pretty obvious. the clutch of what he's going to score and how he's going to be used is there. Top 12 running back a majority of the time.

They lost their short yardage guy in Debo. Ayuk is hurt. The targets are there. The usage is there. And if he can stay healthy, he actually might be the safest to be a top three overall player. He might be the safest first round pick there is

taking out the actual injury worry. So from a production standpoint, he is going to be an absolute monster on the team. they've babyed him. I don't think Brian Robinson's going to take anything away from him.

I would acknowledge I'm a tiny bit worried or I don't love that the cost has gone up and up and up. But I think a lot of us playing a Ricky Bobby if you're not first,

your last type of situation and this is a guy that win healthy is going to no doubt be a top first round pick and I think he can be the number one overall player. So I'm going to take

some risk here when the running backs fall off and I'm going to say Christian McCaffrey is a draft. Well, I mean, you also... And I'm wearing Niners, You aren't wearing a Niners shirt.

But on top of that, look, you're not wrong. We all know how great Christian McCaffrey is, but the thing you did mention is the amount of games that he misses. 24, obviously he missed 13 games. He only played seven games in 2021. Only played three games in 2020. So I get it when he's there. He's the number one player, but sometimes he ain't there. And the problem is, Pat, you know, at this time in the draft now, where you have to draft him in the real ADP as the seventh player overall,

you're passing on Derek Henry, Justin Jefferson, I'm on Ross, St. Brown. a lot of guys that are, I think, are very steady where you don't have to play that game of it's all or nothing. So is it draft or pass for you for CMC? Yeah, boy, I guess I'm the tiebreaker here with the guy in the 49er shirt and the guy in the room who's a known. I'm a pass. I'm a pass at seven. I was in at 14.

I was curious at 12 at 10, maybe. But at 7, I don't know. I'm out there. Oh, you're a known Christian McCaffrey sourpost, Joe. So like, it was always going to be me. is the tiebreaker here. And look, for me, he is a reluctant draft. And the injury risk is absolutely terrifying.

And I love Welsh, you know, well, he's actually the safest pick, if not for those annoying bones and muscles that, you know, every player has. If not for that, he would be the safest pick out there. But he actually- But there's guys, we talk about production. I mean, it cut into your time. Like, I know it could seem silly what I'm saying. But like, if you take away the injury stuff and you just are purely,

looking at production, there might not be, there's two guys, maybe three that are more floor base that you're going to lock in. If he is out there. And of course, the if is why he's not being drafted as like the third guy, like, you know what he's going to do. There's no production dip. So I know it is like a silly comment that I said. But like injuries aside, his production is without question. Yeah, if he's healthy, he's going to smash. He always smashes when he's healthy. And since the trade of the 49ers in 22, Christian McCaffrey has average 19.8 touches a game, 115.5 yards from scrimmage per game and one touchdown per game. Kyle Shanahan's system extremely running back friendly.

And he just loves feeding CMC the ball probably more than is wise, but like Shanahan just can't help himself. So yes, the one thing I would say about the injury risk, I think you should be willing to draft Christian McCaffrey. I think you should be more willing to draft him if you are in a league with a lot of sharks and the competition is tough because then I think the risk is more justifiable because you're going to need to hit on some, you're going to need to take some big swings to knock off the Titans of your league. So this is about as big a swing as you can take. Yeah, Shanahan loves to hand the ball to McCaffrey except in the Super Bowl with a lead. Too soon, Welsh? Too soon?

By the way. It's always too soon. Yes or no, just a yes or no. does it bother you at all that he hasn't played a lick of the preseason? Not one iota. All right. Let's move on to the next running back on our list. Breece Hall, who could find himself in a timeshare, a guy that we were coveting just a couple

years ago in fantasy. But now rumors of a Brail and Allen shared backfield have certainly stunted, I think, a little bit of the love of Breece Hall. Pat, we'll start with you on this one. Draft or pass, Bruce Hall at his current ADP. Right now, looking at him, that number on. real-time ADP. I love that I can get the real-time numbers on fantasy pros. He is RB19, 43 overall. Pass. Aaron Glenn has said all-off season that he wants to use multiple backs.

And based on the preseason, he was not kidding about that because we have seen the Jets use all three backs with the starters. So, you know, and I think we should heed the preseason because they're establishing usage patterns that they're going to follow in the regular season. And Jets are going to have a low-scoring offense. And, like, I know Brees Hall is a good pass catcher. And, like, they're just not going to throw that much. I think in Justin Fields' career starts, he's averaged, like, 24 and a half pass attempts per game.

So there's just not a lot here for Brees Hall if he's not playing a ton of snaps and he's not going to play a ton of snaps. That's been made clear. So I don't have any interest in drafting him whatsoever. All right. Passing on Brees Hall, Braylon. and by the way, going as the 98th player off the board. Certainly if you want that time share, it's a lot cheaper, twice as cheap, actually, to be specific.

How about you, Welsh? Draft or pass Brees Hall this year? I am a draft of Brees Hall. I actually don't hate the ADP. It's actually moved up a little bit. Real-time ADP yesterday was at 45, so he's moved up to 43, but it's still a pretty palatable cost in like the fourth round for drafts. And one of my big arguments would be like, yeah, absolutely. like Braylen Allen is going to jump in there.

But Brice Hall last year, what he did wasn't as a big primary runner. Six games last year, Breece had five or more catches. Five of those six games, he finished as a top 15 RB and half PPR. Only six games did he receive more than 15 carries, yet he finished as RB17. And you know, you're going to talk about Justin Fields and where they're going to pass. Well, he had one of the highest checkdown percentages of any quarterback with 100 or more pass attempts. It was about 15% last year. 2003 was about 12%.

So those checkdowns are probably going to be going to Brise. And I just laid out, if Brice is getting five or more catches a game, that's where he's going to make a lot of that money. This team also was dead last in the NFL and carries per game at 21. So if they're going to build this new offense around being a bit more aggressive, you've got a running quarterback. I think those carries are going to go way up. And even if you line up to like old offenses of,

run heavy. And let's say they become a top 10 rushing offense. That's about eight to nine more carries. Those eight to nine more carries can go to Braylon Allen and Brace Hall can still push up as like an RB20. So maybe you could argue that there isn't like this incredible high upside if Braylin Allen is taking some and Justin Fields is out there. But one of the highest checkdown quarterbacks out there in Fields, Brice Hall making his money off of the receiving game, going to be used more in the receiving game. I actually think in the fourth round, especially full PPR, it's a big check. Half PPR, I think you're still solid. And if people are really kind of fearmongering about Brees Hall and he falls,

I think I'm going to jump on the opportunity because he's a big playmaker. And I think Fields is going to open that up for him. Well, so far, the fearmongering hasn't changed too much. He's only moved a couple spots here in the last week. But I'm going to have to break this tie here. Welsh makes a lot of good points actually for Brees Hall. And I don't think he has a player with zero value. I just don't think he has the value of where he's being drafted.

So I'm going to pass on him because he's going around the same spot as running backs like Calvin Camara, Chuba Hubbard, James Connor, Tony Pollard, who's got the backfield all to himself with the Spears injury too, and he's got several years of thousand yards rushing here, very steady, Eddie. I think those guys are just a little safer. If Breece Hall starts to drop into the 60s, then I'm definitely listening on Breece Hall. And that could happen this weekend. So pay attention to it.

Follow the real-time ADP over our fancypros.com, too. Again, this is their best new tool, I think, by a mile, I love it, checking it all day long in every single draft I'm doing. Let's get to another running back. let's get to a rookie running back who is actually going in the 50s right now, the 50s second player overall, RB 22, a rookie with a lot of upside and a lot of hype, but maybe in a class with Ashen Genty, not as much exposure to the public eye than he would normally receive. However, RJ Harvey is the guy that Sean Peyton has chosen here in the Denver backfield.

So Welsh, I'm going to put this one to you, R.J. Harvey, draft or pass in 2025? I felt a couple different scenarios that you could play out could be draft, could be passed. I ultimately landed on draft. We are back in, so we are three state drafts here. The worry would clearly be that there's, you know, rotational issues. Like, J.K. Dobbins takes more away from this offense that we're, you know, overly concerned about. Maybe they're going to, you know, get McLaughlin in there. Like, if they're going to run any type of rotation out there, like that does make me worry. The thing is, is, is Andre Harvey is explosive. He is explosive as can be incredible jump cuts. I actually think his floor.

might be what we're looking at with Bruce Hall right now this season, where it's like if he gets 12 to 13 carries a game, maybe it's a 15, he's catching the ball out of the backfield, if he's playing any of that joker role. I mean, I think a lot of us have just kind of gone on and on about, you know, what these offenses can do as far as the running back in that system. And Harvey, in open field, is explosive, is absolutely explosive. But also, I know this has been talked about in different spots,

but the offensive line win rate was like the best in the league last year for the Broncos. So if you've got this power offensive line, they're going to play screen passes. They want to get the ball in. Here's what I think could happen. I think that you could even have a couple weeks where it's a little dicey on R.J. Harvey. You're getting Dobbins in. Dobbins is going to vulture in some short yardage touchdowns. I think that's what he's here for.

But I think at the end of the day, it's going to be impossible to get him off the field, RJ Harvey. He is too much of a playmaker for this offense. And I think around this cost area, the R.B, you know, two, if you waited and you went high wide receiver and it's around 50. I still think there's plenty of upside. And like I said, I think the floor could be what Brice Hall is right now. And I think the ceiling continues to jump up and up, especially if he gets more primary carries and continues to catch the ball out of the field.

So I am a draft on R.J. Harvey, all of us making our boy, Dibro proud, or at least me making him proud. Well, Pat, let's not speak for Pat quite yet. Pat, R.J. Harvey, draft or pass. Draft. I'll never get him as high in the rankings. His Debrough has him. But look, Denver will. Yeah, never. Not going to happen. Denver was among the more. desirable possible landing spots for a rookie running back this year. And while Harvey did not go in the first round like Ashton Jenty or Omerion Hampton, he was the Broncos second round pick. Like they tabbed him to be a key performer on offense. He's going to play. And even if he splits time with J.K. Dobbins, Sean Payton has a history of giving us two or more valuable fantasy assets at running back in any

given year. Like think about the Alvin Camaro Mark Ingram combination or like much earlier in Sean Peyton's tenure in New Orleans. It was like Pierre Thomas and Reggie Bush and Deuce McAllister. Like all three of them fantasy relevant. So yeah, Sean Payton's running backs, catch a lot of passes. Harvey's a good pass catcher. The dude is explosive. You know, he was a second rounder because he's quick. He's good lateral agility, good vision. He is worth drafting. Well, I don't have to break the tie, but just so you know, I'm drafting him as well. So three for three, that's a clean sweep on RJ Harvey. I know why people are a little concerned to, I get that.

You know, new things are very scary sometimes. But Sean Payton offenses, I think that's something you want to do. Plus, Bo Nix, you know, excels and dumping off the football if you watch him in college. That's kind of his strong suit. So look for RJ Harvey to benefit from that. And I don't tell Derek Brown, I said this, but I think Derek's right. I think Dobbins is there to shave like 100 carries off the season. for RJ Harvey put him in like the low 200 number and then probably get somewhere around 60, 70 targets.

I think you could. That's the upside of what RJ Harvey could be. Go ahead. Well, the thing I wanted to add was like one thing I think also could float out there. It's be on the lookout early in the season that if you do get a little bit more Dobbins to start the year and the panic ensues because, you know, it's like, well, Dibro said he's the 15th running back and I drafted him there and people start freaking out. Harvey actually might become a really accessible trade asset in the first couple weeks. As far as it you can get, you might be able to get him at a lower cost if you miss out in draft. So maybe just keep that in the back of your mind. First couple of weeks, if Harvey doesn't come out the gate strong, he might be someone you want to target in the trade

market if people are freaking out because of Dobbins. I just, like I said, he is way too explosive in a playmaker to keep him off the field too much. I think that's going to rectify pretty quick, if not in week one. Everybody likes a good value. How about a player that had a great season in 24 and has now fallen all the way 20 spots in real-time ADP over the last seven days. And his name is Joe Mixon, 102 overall RB 37. I know we start in the air in the pop. I get it. And you don't like to draft players who are already hurt. But at what point, Pat, do we say, hey, this guy's a tremendous discount. The theory is that at some point he does come back and play. And people are aggressively still drafting Rushie Rice more on him later in the show, even though he's going to

missed six games. Now, I understand one's healthy. One is not. But still, a third of the season, half of a season, a little bit of a difference there. So Joe Mixen, draft or pass at his current ADP that is falling very quickly. Pass. And it would have to fall into the late rounds for me to have any interest whatsoever. A foot issue, no bueno. It's possible we don't see Joe Mixen this year with this foot issue. And even if we do see him, he's going to be running behind a really bad offensive line. All right. So no for Pat Morris. Welsh, how about you? Any scenario where you're taking a shot on mixing here late? Uh, zero. This is a hard pass. I have absolutely no interest. You could argue if he, like his week, we have our week one rankings up. He's like, you know, in the 60s because he's not going to

play or whatever. Like if that were his, if it's like RB 60 in drafts, yeah, maybe if he's like our, you know, RB5 or six on my team. But drafting a guy with like, it's almost mystery injury. We just, thank God we got information, but he was already on my no draft list because, you know, it's one thing to make these arguments about, you know, the Christian McCaffrey's who have an injury history, but are good right now. It's another thing to be drafting players that are currently on a on the list and going to miss significant time. That also is more of a mystery. So, no, I really don't have interest. I think they brought in Nick Chub for a very specific reason. Woody Marks looks pretty nice.

I don't think they're going to rush him back. The four weeks to me in a snap could turn into eight weeks and then. could turn into him not coming back at all this season. You know, him from a production standpoint in general, like it did look good outside of the back end of the year. But there's no risk reward here for me on Joe Mix. And I don't think I'm going to come out the other side feeling really great about it. And frankly, I'll bet you Joe Mixen is just going to get cut really early, especially if you

have a couple backs that just pop in the first week on waivers. People are going to just be like, you know what? I just don't even need to do this. So I have no interest in Joe Mixon, hard pass. All right. The boys are passing. I'm going to draft them late. It's got to be post 100 kind of where Pat's talking about, maybe even more.

And that's where it's going. And that's where it's trending. And it is a little mysterious, right? Some people call it a foot issue. Some people calling an ankle issue. Which one is it? Why won't anyone tell us anything in the NFL anymore? Can somebody tell me, screw the 49ers, screw the Texans.

Tell me the truth. Just tell us the truth. But there's money involved here. You can't handle the truth. Well, that was draft court yesterday. Go back watching the YouTube channel. But there's money and signing bonus at risk here. And if I know one thing about NFL players, they like to get paid.

So I do expect Joe Mixen to be back in the four-week window here when he returns. What it's going to look like? I don't know. But I do say when you start to dig a little deeper into this Joe Mixen scenario, there's money involved in terms of bonus, in terms of time he's going to miss. That could be an issue here for him. If he doesn't play the number of games, it's something like $7 million could be on the line for him. It's a lot of money.

It's a lot of money here for Joe Mixon. So I expect Joe Mixing back, and I don't think we're overreacting. We should all react accordingly to running backs with lower leg or foot or ankle or whatever the hell is injury is that issue. But don't forget about the money at the end of the day. These guys will push through certain things to get paid. What it looks like, I don't know, but we shall see. One more running back I want to talk about real quick. Actually, running back group, the Washington commanders, Jacori Kroski Merritt, Chris Rodriguez, Austin Echler.

I think it's a giant committee. and I think anyone who's looking at this is lying to you if they say they've got the secret sauce. Now all these guys are going at late ADPs. Rodriguez is kind of off the chart. Really, it's Echler and Kroski Merritt. So, well, we'll start with you on this one. Draft or pass anybody in the Washington commander backfield at their ADP. I am going to pass on this.

And maybe that would be a little bit of a surprise. I think two weeks ago, obviously there was less clarity with it. But like when Echler was going into the late 40s or 50s or whatever, Kroski was obviously going like outside the top 50s. There was more upside. And then when the initial conversations around, you know, like Brian Robinson was going to get traded, there were still really good values.

But now that it has been solidified, I think the values have jumped up a little too much. You see Echler going high into the 30s. We've seen Bill Kroski Merritt going to like the seventh round. Some people posting around the fifth round, I think it's gone too crazy. And I think there is too much of a committee here. I took a look at their carries last year.

You had 340, if you just based it off of last year, 340 non-quarterback carries last year because don't forget, Jane Daniels is a really important part of this. So you had 340 non-quarterback carries. 187 went to Brian Robinson. Echler had around 77. So let's call it like 270 that's left over, which seems like a lot. But you've also got Debo and Chris Rodriguez.

Depot's going to get carries in this offense. He's going to be annoying, especially when everyone's like, oh, here comes my Bill Kroski in the five, you know, red zone touchdown. Nope, it's going to go to Debo. Debo's going to get some carries. Chris Rodriguez. is going to get some carries. So if you start to play that game,

I think Bill Crosky is probably sitting around like the 125 to 175 carry range. It doesn't make him not valuable. It just doesn't make sense, I think, for where his ADP is going. These ADPs on both of these players have gone too high and full PPR. I do have interest in Echler. If I'm in a really deep league, Chris Rodriguez is kind of a fun shot. It's so hard to get Bill Crosky right now.

But I think it is messy with one of the best rushing quarterbacks in the NFL right now. and I just don't think there's going to be enough carries to go around to justify flex-based drafting of most of these guys. So as a whole, I'm going to pass. Pat, pass or draft? Pass on Bill, draft Echler, draft Rodriguez. Oh, okay. Bill is just, so we know he is not going to get the high value touches. The pass receptions and the short yardage work.

Dan Quinn has come out and said they're going to give the short yardage work to Chris Rodriguez. we know Echler is going to be the pass catching back. And as Welsh said, Jane Daniels is going to get a ton of rushing yardage. And, oh, by the way, Debo Samuel is around to get the occasional rushing attempt. So I just don't see Bill having enough value to generate. Like, he's not going to live up to the mania that we're seeing with him right now. Whereas Echler, I think, is probably going to lead this backfield in snaps and maybe touches, too. and like is really easily draftable, like in the mid to late 30s at running back.

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a guy much, much higher drafted than that. Coming off back-to-back years of explosive, enormous seasons and then one disappointing year. Let me start with you, Pat, on this one. Tyreek Hill, draft or pass in 2025. And mind you, you are getting a discount. I'll pass. I've been on the fence, but the vibes just have not been great between Tyreek Hill and the team.

And like, I don't know what the Miami passing game is anymore, Joe. Like we saw, we saw Mike McDaniel, you know, direct his production of Honey, I shrunk the passing game last year with like, Tua Tunga Viloa having like an average depth of throw of under six yards and everything going to Devon A-chan and Jonu Smith and like Waddle and Tyreek Hill getting totally left out of the mix. Tyreek Hill has had like, I don't know, some egregious drops in the last year. It's just I don't, now he's in his 30s. It gets just too many things to worry about here. What if Tua gets hurt again?

I'm just going to pass. There's still other places. I really like in that part of the draft and there are too many questions with Tyree. See, I'm going to draft him, Pat. And the reason is because he's going almost as the 40th player, there's been leagues where he's my third wide receiver. Like if you're drafting from the one spot, we've done a lot of mock drafts where I take chase.

And then in the, you know, second, third round, I get some guys. And sometimes Tyree killed him even make it back to like the fourth round. And how do I pass on them in my third wide receiver? And Welsh, I don't know where you are, but you made a case for the gloriousness. of Christian McCaffrey, but he cost you the seventh player overall. There's a potential that, you know, you could have Tyreek Hill and he could end up being a top five player again. We're talking about a guy who not once but twice, 1,700 yards in this offense over those

two years, 20 touchdowns, right? And last year, yeah, wide receiver 21, it was disappointing. He was also injured a lot at a couple different issues in ailments. Yeah, he is a problem child. Yeah, Miami is a hot mess. But, Welsh, it is a discount. Can you pass on that draft or pass Tyree Kill? I can.

I'm a pretty firm pass on Tyree Kill. He's on my, I mean, how you laid it out, I suppose if he was a wide receiver three, I can play that game. But I really haven't been in that position. I mean, if you look at our ADPs currently, he's actually the 12th wide receiver on the consensus ADP. Real time has moved him down a little bit to 15, but he's going to be pushed up those boards. Just to be clear, I mean in Rossi construction. I'm a early wide receiver builder. So if he's going as a 37th guy and I've got a top, you know, two or three pick here,

I can get Chase or CD Lamb or somebody like that. I can turn around and take a, you know, a Ladd-McConkey. And then the third round, Tyree Kiel's just sitting there, basically, in that early ADP. And I can go three wide outs right away. It's a zero-rb kind of build. But it's possible. I just want to make sure I'm not drafting them as a third wide receiver in the ADP. I'm talking about a roster construction standpoint.

Go ahead. Yeah, I know. And that's like the layout. Like you've done a lot of like fourth and fifth round running backs. It was a lot more palatable too when like Hampton and Trayman Henderson were going later. They're now not. So like that's an area where I think you're kind of making those decisions. One of the distinctions I would put against McCaffrey and Tyreek Hill is we have seen Tyreek Hill,

Tyreek Hill, Tyreek Hill's production go down last year. That's not, I mean, I guess you can make some of the arguments on McCaffrey, but like he was heavily, heavily tied to Tua. As we saw Tua and his air yards drop, that like had a very direct effect to Tyreek Hill. And now in his favor, he had like a massive increase in his areas around like 1,300 versus the just under thousand that he put up. But he's also already dealing with an oblique issue. So 31 years old, you've already got some oblique stuff. You saw some production that was a downtick last year.

You can make the arguments that with Jonu out, this could open up more opportunities. But like they didn't, it was like a 10% design plays they ran for Tyreek Hill last year, which I thought was weird. And maybe they'll change. I just don't feel optimistic about it. 11 games he had finished wide receiver 30 or worse last year. I'm a Jaden I'm a Waddle guy. I think

Jalen Waddle is going to be the guy that's going to have the big bounce. I think Olli Gordon is going to move in this offense more with like to pass the ball to A. Chan who's kind of almost becomes like a pseudo number one wide receiver. So the whole John O leaving to me doesn't correlate to Tyree Kill getting a big increase. I think it's a possibility

with the upside that we know of Tyree Kill that he could kind of be a value. But I think where ADPs are, where he's essentially a wide receiver, one oblique issue already out there, Tua in general having such an effect on him, he's a pass for me. I don't want a lot of shares. I don't have a lot of shares because I also don't, my builds don't necessarily go three straight wide receiver. I might feel a little bit different if I was in that spot, but I'm with Pat. And to your point, I don't think I would want him as my number one wide receiver. If you're a heavy RB guy in the third round there, you're looking now at Tyrakeel being your number one.

No, that's a tough pill to swallow. Let's talk about Tet McMillan. See if we can get on the same page with this one. Ted McMillan, look, number one wide receiver for me in this draft class, that's for sure. Wide receiver 26 overall in real ADP is actually moving up the boards, three spots in the last seven days all the way up to 59 overall. So Welsh, are we drafting or passing Tederoa McMillan? We are drafting. Give me Tederoa McMillan 100%.

The news that we had today as we were recorded. this. Adam Thielen is officially out of town. You could do it like both ways where you could be like, oh, this is huge, you know, because Thelan's going to get the target share. I think some people could also just roll their eyes, but like, oh, there's too many guys. Does it really matter? I think it does. I mean, Thielen was a really big safety blanket. So that's like a plus for Jalen Koker as well going into the slot. But I think it's just another huge boost. And I think it's also the team's confidence level being shown as well that they're willing to give that type of a consistent player. They're still trying to build up Bryce Young in that they are comfortable because of what

Tederoa has done. I mean, the college grades through the roof, like 90 plus PFF college grades, almost 17 yards per reception, 1,300 yards last year. Great success rate versus press, which I get really excited about. He's going to find just really good points of separation against cornerbacks as a rookie, and he's going to get tons of targets. And Bryce Young, by the way, started Cook at the end of the year. Finished his QB2 from weeks 16 to 18, had seven touchdown, no

picks. He was actually running a lot as well. But I think Teterrault is put in a position where he could be a slam wide receiver one this year. It's funny because I feel like there's Marvin Harrison last year vibes, but he was going as a wide receiver one. And I think Tetero is in a better spot this year that he's going to be, as Bogman would say, peppered with targets. And I think he could live up to what we wanted Marvin to be last year. And he's coming at a low, not as lower of a cost because he continues to rise, but I love Tedroa as a wide receiver three. He's probably going to have to be comfortable as a wide receiver two, and I'm down with it. Yeah, Pat, a lot of this is about projecting next year too. And I think we're going to be looking at McMillan probably as a top

15 wide receiver. So I'm comfortable drafting him as the ADP continues to rise all the way up until 20, maybe even up until 15, to be honest with you. Like, I'm willing to take that risk. I think he's this year's Brian Thomas Jr. The guy that people aren't really on enough that is going to help you win a Fantasy League. Where are you? Are you draft or pass at the ADP that is climbing currently for Tedd-Roe McMillan? Couldn't agree more with you guys. I have him wide receiver 16 in my rankings. Like he steps into a high-volume role right away as the day one X receiver, top target earner for Bryce Young. Panthers are probably going to have to throw quite a bit because their defense does not look very good on paper. And not only are they going to throw to them a lot, period,

they're probably going to throw to him a lot in the end zone because he's six foot five and has a huge wing span. So good touched on potential here. Dude runs good routes. Like Walsh said, he's great against press coverage. He averaged 108.8 yards per game over his final two college seasons and he was a top 10 draft pick. Like this one is easy. Guys, you've probably heard of Viagra or Seales. Maybe you've even tried them.

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it's another grouping. Well, Rushie Rice was the other part of the news, not just Adam Thielentay. Rushie Rice taking the six game suspension. So now we know the waiting game is over. Now we're going to watch that ADP fall in real time because it is going to make a difference this weekend. You watch. He is going to fall from that 75 overall that I'm looking at on fantasy pros. He actually was down only two spots. I think we're going to go more like double digits by the time we get to Saturday or Sunday drafting. So Pat, let's talk about Rice. Let's talk about worthy of the current ADP and where they're going to be fluctuating. Do you want to be involved? It's kind of like the commander's situation, right? This is more of a choose your path here. Are you drafting or passing these guys in the Kansas

city wide receiver room? This is my first qualified answer. I'm going to say draft at appropriate prices. So what's that price? Let's talk about it. So I just got Rishi Rice in the ninth round of a home league draft last weekend. I think that's pretty decent. Like, yes, he's going to miss six games, but then you're going to have him for the back half of the season, the fantasy playoffs. Like, that's pretty good. Although I don't think Rice is going to give you the sort of production he did early last year when Xavier Worthy had not established himself. Because Xavier Worthy did come on late last year over the Chief's last eight games,

the playoffs, worthy had 50 catches. That's a 100 catch pace. But he's not catching 100 balls with Rice around. Rice is not catching 100 balls with Worthy around. I think they can both be like wide receiver. Rice when he plays is probably a wide receiver 2 and Worthy is probably a wide receiver 3 all year. Maybe a wide receiver 2 while Rice is out. So don't overpay.

If you pay something appropriate for what those guys are going to be when they play, then I think it's okay because I do think now that Patrick Mahomes has weaponry and now that he's got Josh Simmons, who's a stud guarding his blindside at left tackle, I do think the Chief's passing game is going to click again this year. All right.

Back to you here, Welsh. Draft or pass, Rice, worthy, any of these guys in the wide receiver room for the Chiefs. This is a tough one. I mean, if I get to do the thing that Pat's doing, I'm going to kind of agree. Like, I think there's caveats to it at right cost.

I think if we just play the game, I think I'm going to just say pass as a general statement, but I would put caveats to it. The one thing I think that's goofy about this is like, I'm shocked that everyone was so comfortable taking him where he was. Prior to the real ADP, prior to the real ADP, he was going off as wide receiver 27,

and he's now moved down to 32, and you're like, oh, people are going to drop. Why? I had him in the 40s right now. I think eight games was on the table, and if they dropped that on you, in week three or four, and you lose significant time, that was a no draft for me. So I actually think this is a positive.

Please suspend him at the top of the year. Give him just six games. Maybe he pushes it down to five. And then I've got him the rest of the way through in a time where, you know, it's a little bit more recovery. I actually think that gives a much clearer path to Rishi Rice to now. I think he becomes kind of draftable. So, you know, if I can get Rice at, I mean, you should probably value him in the same

general vicinity as like a Chris Godwin. I know Godwin just got like passes physical, but you're probably going to have Pup and four games. It's the same general sense, but I think like he, I believe he's going to get back to that big production. As much as, you know, we like Xavier Worthy, he had a lot of nice design runs, but, you know, low yards after the catch. Like, I know like Addoch can get up there, but I think you're going to have a lot of short design stuff where it's going to be middle of the field, Kelsey, and first target Rishie Rice. That was what they established last year and I don't think they're going to move away from it. So all of this to be said, like, I don't love this for worthy. And I think he's too expensive right now with these question marks.

I think Rice at the current value still doesn't make sense. So that's why they're both going to be passes. But my caveat would be Rice at the right price as he continues to fall as like a wide receiver five or something is like something I will definitely do with the clarity. I'm going to be a pass here. I'm going to keep it simple and tell you why because Rishi Rice needs to drop away further. He's missing six games. That's almost half of your regular. fantasy season. That's a long time for a player to miss. And I think the inverse is that Xavier Worthy's

ADP, which I already don't love, is going to move up because people are going to look at it and say, Rice is out. That means worthy XYZ. And I think sometimes that could be a little overrated sometimes. I know we saw the end of the season where they start to take up a little bit, but there's no guarantees here that that's going to be the case and it's going to carry over. So for me, one going going to go too far enough, one going to go too far. I'm out at that current value. More wide receivers to talk about. But first, I want to talk about these shirts for wearing again. Again, Chubby is one of the sponsors of today's show. We're wearing the NFL versions of the chubby shirts today.

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Well, I'll keep this one simple. I'm not drafting Travis Hunter at his current ADP. He is going way too close to Pearsall, to Golden, to Ibuka, all those three wide receivers. I like more in their respective situations. I think they could carve out those roles as the number one guy in their offense at wide receiver. Pearsall has that route. Golden does. Egbukit would take an injury, but still at least the number two of Baker Mayfield is a pretty good spot to be, even to open the season. Travis Hunter, I just can't get there at the current ADP. Can you get there? Draft or

pass Travis Hunter, Welsh? I can. I am a draft. Now, I will say based on the names that you just said, like, I got Ricky Piersall way higher. I have him higher than Hunter. That's where he's going in real real-time ADP. He's right there. Yeah, no, I mean, according to ADP, Egbuka and Ricky Pyrousal are below Travis Sunter. I have both of those players over. I'm just saying based on that rank, I get what you're saying on those players, but I also think like him post 30 right now makes a lot of sense.

A lot has been made about the production of slot receivers in Liam Cohen's offense. So just to point out, you know, 2022, get around 25 points from Cooper Cup. Chris Godwin put up 20 plus. And that looks like the role that we're going to see Travis Hunter in. It has also been stated that he is a full. time wide receiver and a part-time cornerback. That's been a big discussion. Pat and I have done like a gazillion shows as of recent, you know, over the last couple months where like that's the

big question that I think a lot of people are struggling with. And it looks like he's going to be a full-time wide receiver. If you look at like Matt Harmon's route tree stuff, he's actually a pretty big winner kind of across the board, however they want to end up using him. And the projections are kind of wild in the market. I have seen a very reputable place project over 80 catches, which would be around the 20 most receptions for a wide receiver in the NFL. I think this offense is going to feature him running out of the slot's going to be a good spot. You can have your arguments about if Trevor Lawrence stinks or not,

but I think they're going to be passing the ball a decent amount. The ball is going to get in his hands and he's going to be a big playmaker. And I come back to that route running, however they end up wanting to use him, whether it's going to be across the field or not, when the big plays aren't there for Brian Thomas, it's going to be there for Travis Hunter. and I think he is going to be out there way more than people are expecting because I still see the arguments. Well, if he's a 60% snap guy, I think the snap percentages in offense are going to be way up and we'll be talking about him.

So for a wide receiver of that talent to be going outside the top 30, especially when we're talking about Tederoa McMillan, I think those guys might be a lot closer than you expect this offense and this coaching staff breeds to players like him in that slot. And I think Travis Hunter is still a smash draft. Pat, break the tie. Travis Hunter, draft or pass. Well, she said they're going to feature him. You know, there's this guy named Brian Thomas Jr. He's really good at football. He's a pretty good player.

So, yeah, I'm going to fade the feature thing. I'm going to pass on Travis Hunter, and I do have a fear of missing out, largely because he's going to play that slot role, which we saw be really valuable in Liam Cohen's offense last year. But, yes, they say he's going to be mostly offense. And Liam Cohen is saying it's going to be like an 80% snapchair for him. But, like, I don't want to assume that's locked in. Like they could adjust the dials on the offensive and defensive usage as the season goes on. Oh, and by the way, the Jaguars cornerbacks, not very good. Not very good.

And they've got the Bengals on the schedule. You think they're going to want to leave Travis Hunter on the bench when T. Higgins and Jemar Chase are running wild on them? Like, I just, I have concerns about that. Like, they might shift that a little bit in season. So it's a reluctance pass for me on Travis Hunter. Yeah, it's a pass at the current group around him for me. because this is like, I love the player. I love Travis Hunter. Love to be in college, super fun. Very talented young man. Great guy. Love to reform. But again, the ADP, that's where my problem is.

Let's switch gears, gentlemen, and let's wrap things out with a lightning round here. Okay, we're going to go through draft or pass. I'm going to give you some quarterback, some tight ends, and some wide receiver rooms currently. And you tell me, draft or pass. All right, everybody got their hands on their buzzers. Let's play. Lightning round draft or pass. Let's start with Rams wide receivers at the current ADP fits the bacchiotomy has not happened yet for Matthew Stafford we'll see after the season if he has that surgery drafter pass the Rams wide receivers oh pass I worry about mutual cannibalization with Puka and Devante and the back issues okay uh well shraftor past the Rams wide receiver room even Jimmy Garoppolo couldn't screw it up those wide receivers are way way

too talented I am going to draft puka becomes a little bit tougher DeVante Adams keeps kind of sliding in drafts way too talented. There's going to be tons of volume, regardless of who that quarterback is or backiotomies, even though I don't want Jimmy Garoppolo or Bennett, but I'm going to say draft. Pook and Akua, by the way, sliding all the way to 17 overall.

That's where I'm looking for that discount. Today, in a draft. So I'm going to draft because now I'm getting a discount, and I like that. All right, let's go to the Saints wide receiver room. Hard pass for me. Rattler, Shuck, doesn't matter. Olave, massive concussion issues.

I'm just worried about that. kid. I'm a hard pass. Welsh, where are you for the Saints wide receiver room? I think it's a draft. They're all just so low. I mean, the first wide receiver, Alave checks in at like wide receiver 34 and half PPR. There definitely are some concerns and some worries,

but Alave is a pretty easy slide in at like wide receiver four. That defense is going to be bad. That offense might, the worry would be it was too bad. But there's going to just be volume to these players. Rashid Shaheed's kind of interesting. Vele as the slot I kind of like. But this is really built around.

Alave being too much of a value, so I'm going to say draft. All right. Fancy, draft or pass, the Saints. Draft Alave, even the worst passing offenses in the NFL usually give us around 3,000 passing yards. Alave has averaged 2.21 yards per outrun for his career. That's up with C.D. Lamb and Jemar Chase. Like, he is really, really good and really undervalued. All right.

How about Justin Fields? It doesn't always look pretty, Pat, but it's fantasy points. Not the greatest thrower necessarily all the time in the pocket, but fantasy points galore drafter pass just in fields pat i'm going to pass i just think the passing outlook is so bleak here i know he's going to run um and then like there's double injury risk joe because not only could fields get hurt what if garrett wilson gets hurt what would draft kings and fan duel be setting the over under number at on fields passing yardage if garret wilson didn't play at a game like 99 and a half i mean it's just bleak well i mean how could you

say something for the jets will go wrong pat that seems like a crazy thing to say out loud. Welsh drafter past Justin Fields. Draft. You're not drafting him for his passing acumen. You want him for the rushing. He was QB7 last year in fantasy points over six games. 2022. We've talked about it. QB6, better offensive line, better pieces out there. The rushing upside makes him a top 10 quarterback draft. QB 14 and Superflex. Yeah, I'll draft him there. I like him as a second quarterback in Superflex leagues. All right. Let's get to Drake May. Oh, the hype train is real for Drake May, I'm wearing a Patriot shirt, so I'm going to sit this one out for a while. I'll see what the boys have to say first.

Draft or pass, Drake May, getting a lot of helium recently in a lot of our discussions on the show is Welsh. You know what? I actually wanted to say pass here, but his value is too good. I think Drake May is fun. I think a lot of it's built around if you can see more design stuff for him to run. There's more upside, but I kind of think he's going to stick around like QB between QB 10 and 14 this year.

I don't think he's going to crack that top five. but his value is too good. He's QB 16 on an ADP. So even though I don't see his quite as much upside, I think you got to draft him because that value, he has not gotten, he doesn't risen up because of all the buzz and hype. Pat, in real time ADP, he's QB 13.

We just did draft court yesterday where I said a perfect scenario, late round, Dak Prescott, and then back it up just in case with Drake May. I did that last night in a draft. I think that's a good practice. What do you think? Draft Drake May is my QB8. I think he could give you rushing numbers very similar to what Justin Fields.

Maybe not quite what Fields is going to give you, but he is a vastly superior passer to Justin Fields. All right. He just got engaged yesterday. Travis Kelsey, real-time ADP for him, the 67th player, the six tight end, number 68 somewhere around there. Overall, his holding steady right now. Pat, drafter past the aging Travis Kelsey after a year last year where he did seem to lose a step, although the stats were still pretty solid in PPR. I'm going to say pass just because I want Bowers or Kittle early or I want Kraft or Tyler Warren

late. Late or great. That works for me. Welsh. How about you? Draft or pass, Kelsey? I'll put a ring on it, but I think that's a positive of what Fitzie's saying. Like, there are other guys that I want, but, you know, you have rice out.

He's going to be a red zone option. He got all the targets in the world. So I will put a ring on it, but I think it comes up a little bit of a caveat. Yeah. I think the caveat is wise. I think the later you get him, the better. But in the middle, I'm kind of more like where Pat is later. Great.

Speaking of late, maybe Pat just gave away the game here. Tyler Warren, last year, Brock Bowers was tight end 10. Right now, he is tight end 11. Fitsy, it's pretty safe to say you are drafting Tyler Warren, correct? Yeah, it's like George Kittle and Jeremy Shockey had a baby and it was Tyler Warren. So, yes, it's a lot of a lot of havoc after the catch. I wonder how much tequila was consumed for that to have. happen. Welsh, draft or pass Tyler Warren as the late tight end that everybody wants.

We're drafting. I don't want it to rise up too much, but if you miss on the top three, you should be targeting Kraft or Tyler Warren on the back end of the tight end. So that is a draft. Yeah, despite Daniel Jones being there, I too am drafting Tyler Warren. You know, he was pretty good with Evan Ingram back in the day, too. I think Daniel Jones may be a little bit of a breath of fresh from New York, getting out of New York, maybe a little reset. Maybe he could at least give us something good in Indianapolis. We shall see. I'm not holding my breath too much.

But I do like the ADP of Tyler Warren to Fitsy's point. So there you have it. The guys who were drafting, the guys that were passing on and the guys who are, well, circumstantial evidence for all of that. But what do you think? Drop your comments below. Are you drafting these players? Are you passing on these players?

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